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Video Games => Mario Chat => Topic started by: Mario Maniac on March 16, 2008, 06:05:33 PM
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As fighting games go, the Super Smash Bros, series is the most unique. But which game is better? Melee or Brawl? Brawl has more modes and Wi-Fi Connection support, but other than that, it's basically the same game as Melee.
(by the way, the Stage Builder is awesome! If only it had more parts...)
What are your opinions?
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*sigh* I don't know. Brawl I guess. Brawl has Wario in it (I'm a one issue guy sometimes).
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There pretty much the same to me, but Brawl is a little better (I'm saying this because of all the co-op modes)
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Brawl by a longshot, but for some reason it feels like Melee had more stages and characters (I know this isn't the case, but still... maybe it's those white backgrounds. You know what they say about white backgrounds).
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Also, Brawl has the story-driven Subspace Emissary mode, while Melee had a puny little Adventure mode.
Who is your new favorite character in Brawl? I personally love Metaknight. He's fast, easy to control, and has a sweet Final Smash! Haven't tried Sonic or Snake yet.
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Brawl by a longshot, but for some reason it feels like Melee had more stages and characters (I know this isn't the case, but still... maybe it's those white backgrounds. You know what they say about white backgrounds).
Brawl has almost double the number of characters and stages than Melee. Plus the Stage Builder adds even more creative stage designs!
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Wario and Wolf, but there's already a topic for talking about that sort of thing.
EDIT: Dude, why did you double post?
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Considering that all my favorite Smash characters are either better or exist in Brawl, I'll have to go with Brawl.
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Brawl is better for me because of the Subspace adventure.
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Plus the Stage Builder adds even more creative stage designs!
True, with the memory that I have left on my Wii + My SD card I can make at least 6000 stages
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Brawl, fo sho.
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Brawl fulfilled everything I could ever want in terms of characters to choose from. I'm not even bummed that you can't play as Waluigi.
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True, with the memory that I have left on my Wii + My SD card I can make at least 6000 stages
I almost cried when I saw that an SD card held more stuff than the Wii's flash memory.
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Considering how little most Wii games' save data uses, it's not too bad.
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I'm not concerned about storage space (yet); it's just that I got this really weird feeling when I realized that something smaller than an Oreo could fit more videogame save files on it than a $250 console. This isn't Wii-bashing--I'm just making an observation.
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And yet I can't use my 16GB SD card because the Wii is limited to 2GB. And even if I could, it won't let me run channels off of it.
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I don't know. Brawl has its disappointing moments, but they are vastly outnumbered by the game's positive aspects. I'd say Brawl is a little bit better. I say a little bit because Melee had Mewtwo and a better Ganondorf.
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Also, Brawl has the story-driven Subspace Emissary mode, while Melee had a puny little Adventure mode.
Who is your new favorite character in Brawl? I personally love Metaknight. He's fast, easy to control, and has a sweet Final Smash! Haven't tried Sonic or Snake yet.
THEY MADE SONIC WAY TOO FUN TO PLAY AS. CAN'T STOP USING HIM. GAH. Not even Toon Link or Luigi can save me. Snake is also pretty good. But his smash moves are way too slow and useless.
Oh and I prefer Brawl by a long shot.
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They feel a bit the same, but Brawl improves EVERYTHING. Enough said.
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They feel a bit the same, but Brawl improves EVERYTHING.
Open your eyes. Every character that was fast in Melee have now been painfully slowed down. Pikachu, Fox, Marth, Sheik, Capt. Falcon, not even he feels fast anymore. They all feel like medium speed chars now like Mario.
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SSB. The first SSB. You know, on the N64? That, to me, is the best one.
It didn't have wave dashing, it didn't have trophies, it didn't even have final smashes. It had 9 stages (up to 12 or 13, if you counted stages that only appeared in 1P Mode), 12 characters, and a handful of items.
I'm not saying Melee or Brawl were/are bad, I'm just saying that maybe we don't need all these bells and whistles that the two sequels come with. Who has time to collect 290 trophies or 350 songs anyway?
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SSBB doesn't have wave dashing. You aren't supposed to try to collect everything by playing nonstop. Better gameplay is always better as well, so SSBB wins on all accounts except stages. Melee won that.
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Less isn't really more.
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I have to say Brawl, because it has a lot of Co-op modes, nice 1P modes, fun challenges, and a very balanced roster of characters. Almost every attack has a use. In the other ones, some attacks were extremely weak and couldn't contribute to KO'ing or combo'ing.
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Actually, some attacks in Brawl are pretty useless *coughFluddcough*.
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SSBB doesn't have wave dashing.
But it DOES have wavebouncing.
You aren't supposed to try to collect everything by playing nonstop. Better gameplay is always better as well
I agree.
SSBB wins on all accounts except stages. Melee won that.
Wouldn't Brawl win for stages, since Brawl has the Melee stages and more?
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I just played Melee the other night (don't have Brawl yet) and actually feel no need to get the new version yet. Everyone knows how to play Melee by now so when I have people over it's still a good option...for now, at least.
I feel there are enough elements in Melee to satisfy everyone. I don't even use half the characters, just the ones I know (Mario, Luigi, Link, etc). Plus I like the music in the game and think the stages are pretty good.
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Brawl doesn't have all the Melee stages. It does have Hyrule Temple, I will give it that.
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Unfortunately. Hyrule Temple was the worst stage I'd ever seen until that abomination New Pork City came along.
What can I say? I like small stages!
-Lizard Dude
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Actually, some attacks in Brawl are pretty useless *coughFluddcough*.
Indeed.
I just played Melee the other night (don't have Brawl yet) and actually feel no need to get the new version yet. Everyone knows how to play Melee by now so when I have people over it's still a good option...for now, at least.
Well, if you play with Cube controllers, the controls for Brawl are the same as Melee's.
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What can I say? I like small stages!
You know what they say about guys that like small stages.
But seriously, I agree with LD. Big stages really suck sometimes.
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New Pork City is bad, but Hyrule Temple is the best.
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New Pork City is bad, but Hyrule Temple is the best.
qft
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New Pork City is bad, but Hyrule Temple is the best.
Agreed.
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Pork City also sucks because of that pink monster that shows up and kills you in one hit.
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Pork City also sucks because of that pink monster that shows up and kills you in one hit.
I don't like it because it's way too detailed. I have a hard time knowing what's a platform and what's background. I miss Four Side(?)
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Actually, some attacks in Brawl are pretty useless *coughFluddcough*.
Well, I wouldn't consider FLUDD useless. If someone is falling after using his/her recovery move and is about to grab the edge, you can use FLUDD to push him/her farther back so he/she will miss the edge :)
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Well, I wouldn't consider FLUDD useless. If someone is falling after using his/her recovery move and is about to grab the edge, you can use FLUDD to push him/her farther back so he/she will miss the edge :)
Easier said than done, though
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New Pork City is bad, but Hyrule Temple is the best.
I agree, and here's why! New Pork City is just messy. The cluttered, almost random assortment of platforms makes little sense, and is more spread out than the slightly smaller and aesthetically pleasing Hyrule Temple. I don't mind the Pink Monster, as any instance where I've been bitten is my own fault (usually trying to get some item).
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Pork City has a nice background, but yeah...the platforms make no sense at all.
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I don't mind New Pork City's background or platform arrangements, but its main problem is that it is just too big.
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Wait a second, I just realized that this thread is in the wrong topic. I believe it should be under "Video Game Chat."
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Once when I was playing in NPC, I was playing with 4 of my freinds (who have never played Brawl before) we each only had 1 stock left, I was playing as Power Suit Samus, I was about to activate my final smash, when... that Pink thing with a bird on its head poped up about a few steps away from me and, well I think you know what happens now...
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Wait a second, I just realized that this thread is in the wrong topic. I believe it should be under "Video Game Chat."
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I agree, and here's why! New Pork City is just messy. The cluttered, almost random assortment of platforms makes little sense, and is more spread out than the slightly smaller and aesthetically pleasing Hyrule Temple. I don't mind the Pink Monster, as any instance where I've been bitten is my own fault (usually trying to get some item).
I would have to agree (oh, and the "Pink Monster" = Ultimate Chimera).
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i like Brawl WAY more than Melee
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After first playing Brawl, I thought it was terrible. The chracters' attacks and movements are all slower than in melee, eliminating Mario from my top 5 best characters (surprisingly Luigi is still good). But the 1P and co-op modes all make up for whatever was lost in Brawls (not to mention sheere selection of characters, stages, and music).
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I must ask something; in terms of movement, is Brawl more similar to SSB64 or SSBM, and how? Only I'm in a PAL region, and am wondering if it's best to prepare for Brawl by playing Melee or the original.
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I must ask something; in terms of movement, is Brawl more similar to SSB64 or SSBM, and how? Only I'm in a PAL region, and am wondering if it's best to prepare for Brawl by playing Melee or the original.
Neither of them will effectively prepare you, but I'd say Melee, only because the GCN controller is the best control option in Brawl.
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When I first played the game, it seemed like there was a little, well, lag and/or slowness when I was playing with the GCN controller. However, I don't really notice it now (maybe because I played as Diddy Kong first and hadn't played Melee in a long time).
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I say without doubt, Brawl is better. But control, for me, is weird. I started with the classic, which I had noticed things got tougher. I used classic for about have of the SSE. Then I switched to a GC controller. Things did get easier, so I stuck with it for awhile. But then I switched right back to classic, and I think I do better! That, and I like the character noises coming from the Wii remote (I'll miss rumble though.).
The rest of the games is miles ahead of Melee. I don't care if characters are floatier, or slower, The game is completely awesome. I actually couldn't use Luigi in Melee. He's my favorite in Brawl. Next to Sonic, Mario, Snake, R.O.B, and Toon Link.
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Melee has Fourside and Poke Floats, and honestly, that's almost enough to make me prefer it to Brawl. New Pork City is a lousy replacement for Fourside, because you're not fighting on top of buildings, you're fighting on haphazardly scattered generic platforms with an aesthetically upsetting pile of buildings way in the background. And Poke Floats doesn't even have a lousy replacement. Most of the rest of Brawl is really good (though I still say that getting rid of personalized target test stages is a huge step backwards, as is the pruning of any minigames other than targets), but to me, those were probably the biggest oversights. Well, other than the absence of Geno, Krystal, Megaman, Dr. Kawashima, Goroh, Nook, Mewtwo, Dr. Mario, and Isaac from the playable roster. Or the extravagant mediocrity of the SSE. But I love the rest of the game, really. I could never go back to non-illustrated damage meters, segregated special condition fights, and ugly Luigi, even if Melee's announcer is infinitely better than Brawl's. (Seriously, how am I even supposed to play if it's pronounced "Jigglypuff" instead of "Jiggly Puff"? And how are you supposed to read my post without paragraph breaks?)
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Why would Dr. Kawashima be a fighter in Brawl. Please, tell me this.
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Melee has Fourside and Poke Floats, and honestly, that's almost enough to make me prefer it to Brawl. New Pork City is a lousy replacement for Fourside, because you're not fighting on top of buildings, you're fighting on haphazardly scattered generic platforms with an aesthetically upsetting pile of buildings way in the background. And Poke Floats doesn't even have a lousy replacement. Most of the rest of Brawl is really good (though I still say that getting rid of personalized target test stages is a huge step backwards, as is the pruning of any minigames other than targets), but to me, those were probably the biggest oversights. Well, other than the absence of Geno, Krystal, Megaman, Dr. Kawashima, Goroh, Nook, Mewtwo, Dr. Mario, and Isaac from the playable roster. Or the extravagant mediocrity of the SSE. But I love the rest of the game, really. I could never go back to non-illustrated damage meters, segregated special condition fights, and ugly Luigi, even if Melee's announcer is infinitely better than Brawl's. (Seriously, how am I even supposed to play if it's pronounced "Jigglypuff" instead of "Jiggly Puff"? And how are you supposed to read my post without paragraph breaks?)
Is someone bitter?
Honestly, I don't mind Brawl being better/worse than Melee in certain ways because then I have a reason to play both!
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I'm going to assume you are joking, CrossEyed. Tom Nook? Kawashima? Also, it's one word. Jigglypuff. Jiggly Puff wouldn't even fit as a Pokémon's name, being over ten characters long with the space.
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Well, other than the absence of Geno, Krystal, Megaman, Dr. Kawashima, Goroh, Nook, Mewtwo, Dr. Mario, and Isaac from the playable roster.
- Nook, + Animal Crosser
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Melee has Fourside and Poke Floats, and honestly, that's almost enough to make me prefer it to Brawl. New Pork City is a lousy replacement for Fourside, because you're not fighting on top of buildings, you're fighting on haphazardly scattered generic platforms with an aesthetically upsetting pile of buildings way in the background. And Poke Floats doesn't even have a lousy replacement. Most of the rest of Brawl is really good (though I still say that getting rid of personalized target test stages is a huge step backwards, as is the pruning of any minigames other than targets), but to me, those were probably the biggest oversights. Well, other than the absence of Geno, Krystal, Megaman, Dr. Kawashima, Goroh, Nook, Mewtwo, Dr. Mario, and Isaac from the playable roster. Or the extravagant mediocrity of the SSE. But I love the rest of the game, really. I could never go back to non-illustrated damage meters, segregated special condition fights, and ugly Luigi, even if Melee's announcer is infinitely better than Brawl's. (Seriously, how am I even supposed to play if it's pronounced "Jigglypuff" instead of "Jiggly Puff"? And how are you supposed to read my post without paragraph breaks?)
I can't argue with you about Fourside, individual target tests, Mewtwo, and an alternate Doctor outfit for Mario, but Geno? I don't understand why everyone wants Geno in Smash Bros. He only played a big role in one game. Geno is still owned by Square, and there are other third-party characters out there that have been in WAY many more games, like Megaman or Bomberman.
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- Nook, + Animal Crosser
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Tanookie Mario for Brawl!
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I don't understand why everyone wants Geno in Smash Bros. He only played a big role in one game. Geno is still owned by Square, and there are other third-party characters out there that have been in WAY many more games, like Megaman or Bomberman.
...Because what we all need is two more characters who have already been whored out a billion times in other games (I know Mario falls under this catagory also, but he's the mascot for Nintendo, so what are you going to do?). Less is more--I figured we would've all learned that when Lucario and Pit showed up in Brawl.
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I thought the SMRPG characters were jointly owned by Nintendo and Square.
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So either one could use them?
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So neither one could use them unless they both agree on it and get credited (á la M&L:SS).
-LD
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I don't get why Squeenix is so stingy about Geno, anyway--it's not like he's been in any Final Fantasy/what "new" RPG-of-the-month they make these days. I guess it's just fun to get off on the sheer power of being able to have creative control (then again, maybe Nintendo/HAL/whoever just doesn't ask around much. Still, I hear Sakurai was an avid Geno supporter...).
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Yeah, the whole company is going "huh huh, it's so fun to keep people from using our partial copyrights!"
No.
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Yes, I'm pretty sure they are!
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- Nook, + Animal Crosser
Yeah, perhaps maybe a character called simply "villager," based off the main character. It would be a defense/recovery-based character.
Standard B: Slingshot--self-explanatory.
Up B: Bunny P balloon--floats through the air for a long while, similar to Peach's up B.
Side B: Fishing pole--hold down to charge distance and power, hits opponents and reels in items.
Down B: Shovel--reflects, projectiles, hits opponents.
Final Smash: Fruiot bomber--float into the air in the Bunny P balloon and nail the opponents with fruit that you can later eat.
At least, that's what I think an Animal Crossing character would do.
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For some reason, Firefox is opening the search box every time I try to type an apostrophe, so I@m replacing it with @s temporarily.
Maybe it@s just me, but the argument that Geno shouldn@t show up in games because he@s only been in one game seems a bit circular. How@s he supposed to get into any games if he can@t get into any games until he@s in more games? Besides, he@s been in just as many games as Lucas. Anyway, the reason I wanted Nook instead of Animal Crosser was because I also wanted Miis, and having Miis and Villagers would seem a little redundant. Kawashima deserves to be in for the same reason as Mr. Game & Watch: they@re both quirky characters rendered in primitive graphics that helped bolster Nintendo@s handhelds.
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But Lucas played a starring role in the game he was in; Geno didn't.
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NO. MIIS. They are not characters. They are doodles of oneself for games that have no characters such as Wii Sports and Wii Play. What possessed Nintendo to let them into Mario Kart, I do not know. But, don't you think it's a bit narcissistic to want to play as yourself instead of a Nintendo character in a game meant to be a great crossover fighter for Nintendo characters? As yourself instead of a Mario character in Mario Kart? Note I'm not targeting you, but I've heard this idea so many times and to be blunt, it's terrible and purpose-defeating.
"He's only been in one game" isn't my excuse for not wanting Geno. I just don't think he belongs in Super Smash Bros. He should be living peacefully up on Star Road right about now. Gaz probably sold the doll he inhabited to a museum: This doll came to life and saved the world from Santa.
Kawashima isn't quite on the same level as Mr. Game & Watch. For one, he's not REALLY a video game character--he's a real-life dude. Of course, the real one isn't a floating head.
Now, as I have said before, I did want Miis to appear in Brawl as the successors to Fighting Wire Frames. That would be rather amusing. And Kawashima would be awesome with not a playable appearance, but a different (http://wheresdezzer.googlepages.com/luigikawashima.jpg) kind (http://wheresdezzer.googlepages.com/masterkawashima.jpg) of appearance.
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Kojinka, how do you figure Geno didn't star in SMRPG? He was only integral to the entire plot and played a pivotal role in the story! Yeah, that sure isn't important.
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Yeah, the whole company is going "huh huh, it's so fun to keep people from using our partial copyrights!"
No.
Well, why do you think they haven't done it?
NO. MIIS. They are not characters. They are doodles of oneself for games that have no characters such as Wii Sports and Wii Play. What possessed Nintendo to let them into Mario Kart, I do not know. But, don't you think it's a bit narcissistic to want to play as yourself instead of a Nintendo character in a game meant to be a great crossover fighter for Nintendo characters? As yourself instead of a Mario character in Mario Kart?
It seems to me that Miis appearing in a game is kind of an Official Nintendo Seal of Casualness. You see Miis anywhere in Twilight Princess? Metroid Prime 3 Corruption? Brawl? There you go (well... I've got this nagging feeling they were in MP3 somewhere, but the point is that Miis really just don't scream "thought-out and professional" to me).
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Miis WERE in Corruption, they were used as an icon for game files, as well as bobbleheads in Samus's ship.
But it's like BP said, they're a very basic representation of the player and should probably be only used in games like Wii Play and Wii Sports.
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Miis WERE in Corruption, they were used as an icon for game files, as well as bobbleheads in Samus's ship.
But it's like BP said, they're a very basic representation of the player and should probably be only used in games like Wii Play and Wii Sports.
Well, if you want to get technical, they were in SMG that way, too (not the bobblehead part... why does Samus have bobbleheads?).
Also, I agree. They're just supposed to be some cute little feature for Wii "Insert Title Here" games.
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Well, Dr. Wright got in Brawl, and he's sort of based on a real guy. I never really wanted Miis to play as myself, I was just kind of expecting them to get in, and then started hoping that if any characters I wanted didn't get in, I could at least make a crappy Mii version of them and pretend. And Geno definitely had a starring role in SMRPG, allowing for the fact that Mario will pretty much always get top billing in a Mario game. Geno's basically a cooler version of Midna.
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Well, Dr. Wright got in Brawl, and he's sort of based on a real guy.
As well as Mario! He's based on a real guy! ;)
Geno's basically a cooler version of Midna.
You know who he actually kinda reminds me of? Vaati and/or that guy who looked like a blue version of Link in the Oracle games.
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No, only Mario's name is based on a real guy.
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THEY MADE SONIC WAY TOO FUN TO PLAY AS. CAN'T STOP USING HIM. GAH. Not even Toon Link or Luigi can save me. Snake is also pretty good. But his smash moves are way too slow and useless.
Oh and I prefer Brawl by a long shot.
I've played as Sonic, and I have to say I'm really impressed. His spin moves are all the same though, but who cares. Sonic is a breeze to control.
My favorite characters are Link, Toon Link, Mario (though he's a bit slower than in Melee), Sonic, Pikachu, Kirby, Marth.
Snake's movements are too slow. He's way too floaty when he jumps and his projectiles take forever to load.
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His spin moves are all the same though, but who cares.
Makes him unpredictable, a plus, doesn't it?
Snake's movements are TOO SLOW!!
Fixed.
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Makes him unpredictable, a plus, doesn't it?Fixed.
Kind of off topic... Do you think the new Sonic Chronicles RPG (DS) is going to be any good? It kind of reminds me of Super Mario RPG with the art style (yay!)
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The fact that Sonic's attacks are mostly spin attacks dates back to his old Genesis games. You had three buttons -- A, B, and C -- but all they did was make Sonic jump or charge up a spin dash. It's a really cool homage, as a big Sonic fan. (And I have high hopes for Sonic Chronicles...the artstyle is about the best Sonic's ever looked, I think.)
I haven't gone back to play Melee yet. I'm really afraid to. The next time I play Melee I'm going to be seeing it through a completely different set of eyes and have another game to compare it to and I don't think I'm emotionally ready to go there just yet.
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The fact that Sonic's attacks are mostly spin attacks dates back to his old Genesis games. You had three buttons -- A, B, and C -- but all they did was make Sonic jump or charge up a spin dash. It's a really cool homage, as a big Sonic fan. (And I have high hopes for Sonic Chronicles...the artstyle is about the best Sonic's ever looked, I think.)
I haven't gone back to play Melee yet. I'm really afraid to. The next time I play Melee I'm going to be seeing it through a completely different set of eyes and have another game to compare it to and I don't think I'm emotionally ready to go there just yet.
You talk about it like you're getting ready to propose. ;)
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Well since the Action Replay took all the fun out of Melee for me, I would have to choose Brawl but it doesn't have the same classic Nintendo style of Melee and is missing characters and stages they could have easily of added from Melee and the original Smash Bros.
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I like Brawl better, because there are more characters, courses, and others. Plus the characters have their own appearances, in multi-player, and adventure mode is so much better. Oh, and I can't forget about wi-fi