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Title: Hard Games
Post by: ShadowBrain on December 30, 2007, 10:40:48 AM
I, like many, sometimes feel that the overall challenge of many videogames (or at least those native to current-gen Nintendo systems) is significantly less than their predecessors. Still, I look back on some of those old games and realize that they normally weren't actually that tough. Not to bore you with all my psychological issues, but this whole thing is something I've been mulling over for a long time.

Basically, plain and simple, what are some games that you consider hard? Metroid Prime 2 (and maybe MP1) comes readily to mind.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Chupperson Weird on December 30, 2007, 12:06:26 PM
Alisia Dragoon for Sega Genesis, Silpheed for Sega CD, Gradius, Image Fight... those are ones I own that I find rather difficult.

I used to think Mega Man and Castlevania games were hard. But then I got good at games and realized they aren't. I think it's something that happens to most people.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Vidgmchtr on December 30, 2007, 12:34:30 PM
I, like many, sometimes feel that the overall challenge of many videogames (or at least those native to current-gen Nintendo systems) is significantly less than their predecessors. Still, I look back on some of those old games and realize that they normally weren't actually that tough. Not to bore you with all my psychological issues, but this whole thing is something I've been mulling over for a long time.

Basically, plain and simple, what are some games that you consider hard? Metroid Prime 2 (and maybe MP1) comes readily to mind.

I think that's a pretty bold assumption, saying many people love difficult games. I'm not one of your "many", and maybe I'm just in the minority, I dunno, but I do think there are lots of gamers who like "easy" games much better than the "hard" games. Challenging games are fun, yes, but I HATE it when games are near impossible to finish (save puzzle games that really do go on forever).

I found the first two Metroid Prime games to actually be pretty simple, and Metroid Prime 2 even simpler being more linear than the first, despite the fact that the very final boss was timed. A couple of tries with that, and I beat it easily.

I found Trauma Center: Under the Knife to be very difficult, and was sort of repulsed by a certain operation that really WAS almost impossible to complete. I was finally able to beat it (and subsequently, the entire game itself) after almost a month of attempts of that operation. Its Wii counterpart in Second Opinion is even harder, and I don't recall ever beating it.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: bobman37 on December 30, 2007, 12:35:41 PM
I could never beat Advance Wars. This is along the same lines of Chupperson's Game Skill Evolving theory (I can beat it now).

Also Geometry Wars is hard.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Lizard Dude on December 30, 2007, 01:19:02 PM
Vid is right: Trauma Center: Under the Knife is a beast. I never beat it, and I tried pretty hard.

I find basically all shmups very hard. Fighting games are hard too. I have not developed enough skill in these genres.

To add a Game Skill Evolving theory story like everyone else: I used to think Viewtiful Joe was hard but now I can beat it on Adult essentially without even losing any health ever.

Oh yeah, God Hand raped me.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: WarpRattler on December 30, 2007, 01:41:03 PM
I love playing Star Trip mode on Meteos on Brutal difficulty. I usually get about halfway through before the computer completely rapes me.

Yeah, Gradius games are hard, but they're nothing compared to R-TYPE or Touhou.

Rogue and NetHack are ridiculously difficult.

I HATE XEPHER ON CHALLENGE...and on Heavy, for that matter.

The PC version of Silpheed is pretty tough as well.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Mr. Wiggles on December 30, 2007, 02:54:35 PM
God of War enjoys watching me clutch my controller in frustration.

Also, Yoshi's Island 2 and any Contra game are pretty much the games I can't complete.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: WarpRattler on December 30, 2007, 03:21:43 PM
Oh yeah, I forgot about Contra. I still need to try to go through the first one without the code.

I'll bet that if I tried to go through Volfied/Qix Neo again, it would be another story for the GSET...but that would require either playing it on Taito Legends/MAME or putting the disc back in my PS2, and neither of those sound very fun when I can play the original Qix any time I want...in fact, I think I'll play the old Game Boy version right now.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: ShadowBrain on December 30, 2007, 03:56:06 PM
Challenging games are fun, yes, but I HATE it when games are near impossible to finish
I suppose what I meant wasn't uber-hard games (Yoshi's Island 2 crossed that imaginary line and just became unfun), just a decent challenge--as in Twilight Princess and not Phantom Hourglass.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Shyguy92 on December 30, 2007, 05:18:53 PM
Yoshi's Island 2

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Dude, I beat that in like, two days.


Anyway I find Phantom Hourglass really hard. I HATE that dungeon you have to keep doing (forgot the name) over, and over, and over, like, nine times. That's the very meaning of tedious. The rest is great, though. Perfect difficulty.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: silverstarman on December 30, 2007, 05:39:41 PM
There are so many games I've played that are hard. Like...

Zombie Revenge (Dreamcast)

and...

Ikaruga (Dreamcast/Gamecube)

These are just SOME of the hardest games I've encountered. There are others, I just can't think of them.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Robert on December 30, 2007, 05:45:13 PM
I, personally, find that most of Nintendo's games today focus on pushing Gamer's logic and problem-solving skills rather then their reflexes or platforming skills. Basically, the challenge of Nintendo games comes from solving puzzles rather then reacting quickly to obstacles or fighting enemies (such as Zelda or Metroid).

The most challenging game I've ever played would have to be Contra 4 for the DS. And I'm only on the first level on easy. Then again, it's Contra, the series where bullets fly at you at every possible angle, so I guess I shouldn't have expected it to be a pushover...
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Glorb on December 30, 2007, 06:02:27 PM
Trying to beat Contra without the Konami Code is like trying to set yourself on fire without getting gruesome burns. It's technically possible, but not really. See also: the bridge in Jordan.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: ShadowBrain on December 30, 2007, 09:26:01 PM
Anyway I find Phantom Hourglass really hard. I HATE that dungeon you have to keep doing (forgot the name) over, and over, and over, like, nine times. That's the very meaning of tedious. The rest is great, though. Perfect difficulty.
I don't exactly equate tediousness with challenge, but... so you thought it was hard, huh? 'K, that's cool...

Also:

Quote
I HATE that dungeon you have to keep doing...over, and over, and over, like, nine times
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forgot the name

"I drove cross-country with my friend... along the way, we only had one tape to listen to. I can't remember what it was..."

It's the Temple of the Ocean King.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: PaperLuigi on December 31, 2007, 12:04:17 AM
The very first Megaman game is extremely difficult if you play it normally. There are several factors contributing to this. One is it lacks any sort of back-up, so you had to complete it in one sitting.  The other and most notable roadblock for most players, even experienced ones, is the Yellow Devil end boss. Without the use of the select/pause damage trick, he is very difficult to defeat. Another major contributing factor to MM1's difficulty is lack of Energy Tanks. MM1 is the only Megaman game that makes the player fight enemies after reaching the Robot Master's lair. The possibility of getting slaughtered before you even reach the boss is very possible, though I never really considered this a problem. The classic Megaman games force you to battle each master robot a second time on the last stage (Dr. Wily stage). MM1 is the only game that spreads these fights across two separate levels (Mega Man must fight Cut Man and Elec Man on Wily Stage 2, and then has to fight Bomb Man, Fire Man, Ice Man, and Guts Man on Wily Stage 4). MM1 is also one of the only two games in the Classic series that does not allow the player to select the order in which to fight the Robot Masters a second time. In Mega Man 2 through 6, after defeating each Robot Master the second time, a large energy pellet appears. In Mega Man, these do not appear, making the last stage considerably difficult.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: penguinwizard on December 31, 2007, 01:18:26 AM
I can't remember all the hard games, but pretty much any NES game will do. Maybe it's that we had trouble with the games when young, and so coming back to it later, you still think it will be ridiculously tough, regardless whether you've improved since then. Although theoretically your reflexes would be fastest when young.

Dino Riki for NES is ridiculously hard, but I'd say it's hard to the point of being unfair (either that or I'm terrible at top-down shooters). Legend of Zelda for NES is very hard since you have limited movement, your sword normally has short distance, and there can be a bazillion enemies coming towards you. I bet a million dollars I'd actually be good at Metroid for NES if it had the same freedom of movement (diagonal shooting, increased running speed, refined control, etc.) of Super Metroid. Don't get me started on Contra for NES.

I was so amazed once I finally beat Super Mario Bros. - in Super Mario Bros. Deluxe for GBC. I kept swearing that the Deluxe version was deliberately easier than the original.

For the longest time I had trouble in Pilotwings 64, couldn't pass the challenges. Then much later when going back to it, I was succeeding. I FINALLY understood how to use thermal vents to rise higher in the hang glider. Can you believe it, for years I didn't know how to use a thermal vent.

Come back to Wave Race 64 years later and it's pitifully easy. Maybe because I've played through Wave Race: Blue Storm and know how to ride the waves. I look back on the original and think "why was Southern Island a secret track? It's so easy!"

And in F-Zero GX, I found that a -little- more effort in challenges were all I needed to beat most of them. That might be more to perfecting my racing lines than anything else though. Then today I look at a video of a world record set in Super Mario Kart, and realize I'm pretty slow by comparison. But it also showed me what the SMK equivalent of "racing on the inside" looked like. Makes me think, then, that world records in any other racing game would look similar, where they get ridiculously close to the edges. Or in the case of the Mario Kart series, take crazy shortcuts.

But to this day I can't beat the original arcade Donkey Kong. I just want to smack the guy who said "you can't beat a [however old it is]-year-old game?" Dude, the games in the old days were hard! Not easy to control, sometimes unfair, and asked players to be pitch-perfect in timing!
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Lizard Dude on December 31, 2007, 01:29:56 AM
PaperLuigi got assigned to write an essay on why Mega Man is harder than Mega Men 2-6 for English class.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Chupperson Weird on December 31, 2007, 01:48:35 AM
I'm pretty sure that part of this is the fact that NES games were early games and not all of them were programmed well (a lot of random 3rd party games) and they were actually harder by definition. I think 3D games are somehow inherently easy due to the nature of their controls and how good the physics programming is now. Although, there might be a lot of badly done random 3rd party 3D games that are hard too. I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: PaperLuigi on December 31, 2007, 10:49:03 AM
PaperLuigi got assigned to write an essay on why Mega Man is harder than Mega Men 2-6 for English class.

Actually I just did cut and paste from wikipedia.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: MaxVance on December 31, 2007, 11:23:00 AM
As PL said, I think having to beat games in one sitting made games much harder. For example, the original SMB3 had no save.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: PaperLuigi on December 31, 2007, 12:30:37 PM
Unless you've got some time on your hands and an iron will, defeating a game in one sitting is very difficult. Some games like SMB aren't that tough to beat in one sitting, but games like MM1 and SMB3 are pretty annyoing. Is it true that the original Legend of Zelda had no save feature?
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Chupperson Weird on December 31, 2007, 12:52:17 PM
No, it isn't.
Mega Man 1 isn't that annoying to beat. SMB3 I still can't beat though. Maybe I should try since I haven't in a few years.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: MEGAߥTE on December 31, 2007, 01:02:35 PM
Is it true that the original Legend of Zelda had no save feature?
No.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: PaperLuigi on December 31, 2007, 01:31:21 PM
No, it isn't.
Mega Man 1 isn't that annoying to beat.

That is entirely your opinion. When fighting the Yellow Devil, do you use the pause trick?
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Vidgmchtr on December 31, 2007, 02:12:35 PM
Is it true that the original Legend of Zelda had no save feature?
Um, The original LoZ was one of the VERY FIRST games on the NES to have a save feature.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Koopaslaya on December 31, 2007, 02:18:04 PM
Hardest two games I've ever played, hands down, are Milon's Secret Castle and Adventure Island 2. Both are for NES and both are out-of-control-ly hard.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: silverstarman on December 31, 2007, 02:31:55 PM
I think Megaman's extreeme difficulty is what makes it so fun.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: PaperLuigi on December 31, 2007, 02:40:17 PM
Um, The original LoZ was one of the VERY FIRST games on the NES to have a save feature.

Okay. And you're the second guy to tell me that now.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Chupperson Weird on December 31, 2007, 02:41:42 PM
Uh, "No, it isn't" was the answer to your question about The Legend of Zelda.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: PaperLuigi on December 31, 2007, 02:43:26 PM
I thought when you said "No, it isn't" you were referring to MM1.

So now Vid is actually the third guy to tell me that the LoZ had save feature.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: MEGAߥTE on December 31, 2007, 02:46:08 PM
I think 3D games are somehow inherently easy due to the nature of their controls
I would argue the opposite.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: PaperLuigi on December 31, 2007, 02:47:56 PM
European Extreme mode on Metal Gear Solid 3 is very difficult. I think SolidShroom can back me up on this one.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: SolidShroom on December 31, 2007, 03:45:49 PM
European Extreme makes me want to harm someone bodily. I could manage Extreme, but I don't think I ever beat it on European Extreme. Same goes for the said difficulty in Metal Gear Solid 2 Substance. NiGHTS Journey of Dreams is somewhat frustratingly difficult, but it isn't too extreme. I think it's only noteworthy because I got it yesterday. God of War was pretty freaking tough but I managed it. GTA 3 and Vice City are pretty tough at times. Half Life is pretty hard because it's so freaking long. I've never beat any Legend of Zelda games, except for TP, because they're really freaking tough, and Final Fantasy games are pretty hard for me because I'm not really an RPG man, and they're really really really long. Early Mega Man games are tough, but not impossible if you try again and again.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: BP on December 31, 2007, 04:02:09 PM
No one's said "Ice Climber." I'm saying Ice Climber. The jumping is so messed up and the time limit you get when you reach the "bonus stage" is brutal. I never even try to get the freakin' vegetables because I'll fall into a chasm or run out of time. I've beaten the first mountain once and only once.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: bobman37 on December 31, 2007, 04:04:56 PM
I don't remember Ice Climber being hard. I can remember getting to the top of many mountains. And I remember bears. It was a long time ago.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: PaperLuigi on December 31, 2007, 04:23:08 PM
Earthbound is hard if you try to ignore every enemy in sight. You'll just end up getting slaughtered by tougher enemies in the future. But I guess that happens with every RPG. I just like mentioning Earthbound because the enemies are pretty tough regardless of what level you're on, unless you decide to revisit areas with weaker enemies. Exploding tree anyone?
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Chupperson Weird on December 31, 2007, 05:35:34 PM
I dunno, you might have an easier time in RPGs where the battles are random and you have to fight no matter what.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Kojinka on January 01, 2008, 05:50:31 PM
Zelda 2 is the only Zelda game that I have never beaten (As far as I'm concerned, the CD-i Zeldas never existed)
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: BP on January 01, 2008, 06:47:12 PM
I dunno, you might have an easier time in RPGs where the battles are random and you have to fight no matter what.
But then the loser who would avoid every battle possible doesn't learn anything. Those are the same losers who would avoid every trainer in Pokémon and depend on legendaries to beat the Elite Four, so no lesson is learned there either...
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Kuromatsu on January 01, 2008, 07:36:45 PM
The only hard games i can think of is SMB Lost Levels, The very first days of Guitar Hero, and The Wind Waker had a lot of figure-it-out-yourself things that just really annoyed me.

There were probably other moments where I got stuck multiple times in multiple games, for example:

The one part in the Phantom Hourglass where you have to "Copy" the map symbol on the top screen by "Pressing the maps together." I spent DAYS trying to find out what the heck that meant. I fianally gave up, shut my DS to go look it up on the internet, and as soon as opened it again... Bingo... T~T
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: ShadowBrain on January 01, 2008, 08:03:38 PM
^ Yeah... thank goodness I heard about that on the internet (or Nintendo Power, or somewhere) about that part...
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: PaperLuigi on January 01, 2008, 08:20:36 PM
...and The Wind Waker had a lot of figure-it-out-yourself things that just really annoyed me.

You know what was hard in Wind Waker? Gathering up 391X8 rupee so that fool Tingle could decipher the Tri-Force charts!
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Vidgmchtr on January 01, 2008, 08:26:16 PM
You know what was hard in Wind Waker? Gathering up 391X8 rupee so that fool Tingle could decipher the Tri-Force charts!
I actually didn't find that to be difficult at all.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: PaperLuigi on January 01, 2008, 08:33:23 PM
Not so much hard as it was annoying, I suppose.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Kuromatsu on January 01, 2008, 08:49:32 PM
The annoying thing was figuring out that he could "dechiper" them in the first place.

Even more annoying that every single person said something about "Triumph Forks"... We all knew what they meant.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Boo Dudley on January 01, 2008, 09:07:13 PM
Battletoads. I think Rare didn't want people to beat those games.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Lizard Dude on January 01, 2008, 11:33:57 PM
I got the joke, but I did think that there was at least going to be one real Triumph Fork somewhere...
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Mega 2 on January 02, 2008, 02:05:07 AM
SMB3 I still can't beat though. Maybe I should try since I haven't in a few years.

I did this once, in one sitting, with no continues or warping (I did skip skippible levels, though).  The people who tried to talk to me while I was doing this all thought I was nuts. 

I wouldn't say it's that hard to do, if you've played the game a lot recently.  It just takes a while.  Not allowing yourself continues actually helps a lot, since it gives you plenty of incentive to not get yourself killed.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Kuromatsu on January 02, 2008, 11:01:46 AM
SMB3 is easy, it's just it takes a dang long time to beat, and even longer time to beat it from every World.

It's real tempting not to use those whistles...
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Fifth on January 02, 2008, 12:45:40 PM
I think Zelda 2 was quite difficult in a wonderful way, but it doesn't qualify to the "most difficult" list for the fact that it's quite possible.
Ghouls 'n' Ghosts was a contender for me for a while, but I did eventually beat it legitimately.  And it's also said to be the easiest of the series.

But I will say that the most difficult game I've encountered is Target: Earth, on the Genesis.  That game has remained, since my childhood, to be the videogame world's very definition of "difficult".
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: N64 Chick on January 02, 2008, 01:43:05 PM
Sonic the Hedgehog 2 on the Game Gear. You know a game is hard when you can't even beat the first boss...
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: silverstarman on January 02, 2008, 01:51:23 PM
Oh yeah, now THAT was hard.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: PaperLuigi on January 02, 2008, 02:10:35 PM
European Extreme makes me want to harm someone bodily. I could manage Extreme, but I don't think I ever beat it on European Extreme.

I've gotten to The End on European Extreme, but that's as far as I've gotten. Extreme mode isn't too bad, but European Extreme sucks. It takes all the fun out of killing off enemies with a sniper, and it's also very tough. I can't imagine how hard it would be trying to make it out of the forrest with an injured Eva at the end of the game.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Glorb on January 02, 2008, 05:18:33 PM
It's not possible. Seriously. I managed to get to the Eva part (without any kills, believe it or not), and my save file is still stuck there because Eva is always spotted. I attempt it every now and then, but to no avail. Same thing with GH1; I've five-starred every song in 2 and 3 on Hard, but the pull-offs in the first suck. It doesn't matter how good you are at pull-offs on the second; "Bark at the Moon" on the original PS2 version will rape you.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: PaperLuigi on January 02, 2008, 05:23:38 PM
BTW, how hard was it when you got to Grozny Grad and had to escape with no camo or weapons? You know, the part right after the tourture scene?
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: SolidShroom on January 02, 2008, 05:32:40 PM
It doesn't matter how good you are at pull-offs on the second; "Bark at the Moon" on the original PS2 version will rape you.
I managed to beat it after like a billion attempts. In fact, Cowboys from Hell was a lot harder.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Glorb on January 02, 2008, 06:10:55 PM
BTW, how hard was it when you got to Grozny Grad and had to escape with no camo or weapons? You know, the part right after the tourture scene?

Actually not that hard. Just keep crawling under the trucks and you'll avoid detection altogether.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Lizard Dude on January 02, 2008, 06:41:40 PM
Sonic the Hedgehog 2 on the Game Gear.
AGREE
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Boo Dudley on January 02, 2008, 08:45:51 PM
I actually beat Sonic 2 for the gamegear... not with all the chaos emeralds though.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: bobman37 on January 02, 2008, 09:00:27 PM
I managed to beat it after like a billion attempts. In fact, Cowboys from Hell was a lot harder.
Agreed, Cowboys from Hell is way harder. I hated these two songs before Guitar Hero 2 came out. I recently went back to Guitar Hero 1 for a while and they're way easier. I five-starred them within a few tries.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Kojinka on January 03, 2008, 09:01:32 PM
Actually, there were a few parts on Phantom Hourglass that I actually needed GameFAQs for.  There's one puzzle in the Ghost Ship that I still don't understand even when looking at GameFAQs.  Another PH thing I had trouble with was drawing the Triforce on the door.  I tried over 10 times drawing the Triforce the way I've always drawn it (Big triangle first then draw the small triangle upside down inside the big one).  I spent hours trying to figure it out until I gave up and looked at GameFAQs.  I was so annoyed; the game didn't offer any good clues to tell you how to properly draw it.  There was the one vague clue and that was it.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Lizard Dude on January 03, 2008, 09:39:40 PM
I am a loser I look at FAQs
Wow that's cool.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Kojinka on January 03, 2008, 09:57:54 PM
Wow that's cool.
HEY  I try to beat the games with as little help as possible.  I had classes in the morning, and I would not have been able to concentrate on my studies with those puzzles stuck on my mind!  If it makes you feel any better, I was able to get all 120 stars with Mario on SMG without the help of any FAQs
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Lizard Dude on January 03, 2008, 10:01:44 PM
I'm proud of you, and so is my Charizard.


(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flizarddude.kontek.net%2FWackyForum%2FCharmander.gif&hash=40a0cabd83bfc3e38293e37972931bad)
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Kuromatsu on January 03, 2008, 11:56:08 PM
Charizard... Lol... <\offtopic>

I got the Triforce drawing on my first try on PH.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: N64 Chick on January 04, 2008, 10:45:16 AM
Hehe. That Charmander/Charizard is cute!

Also, while I was doing some cleaning in the living room (which is actually part of my daily routine), I stumbled on an N64 game that I got stuck on and never got around to tackling again. Mischief Makers. I swear the controls in that thing were...ugh...
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Vidgmchtr on January 04, 2008, 01:14:24 PM
WOW that game was FUN. ^_^

I loved the Mountain and Cave worlds to be the best. You were right though, the controls were a little crazy. I remember the game even said to "use the control stick", when it had no function whatsoever in that game.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Hacker Pikachu 25 on January 04, 2008, 03:11:29 PM
PH is SO. DANG. TEDIOUS. IGN sucks. I can't even FIND the chest with the crystal in tTotOK (the Temple of the Ocean King). So I gave up on that. Hard but Fun = PH. Bye.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: megamush on February 12, 2008, 05:15:44 PM
PH is SO. DANG. TEDIOUS. IGN sucks. I can't even FIND the chest with the crystal in tTotOK (the Temple of the Ocean King). So I gave up on that. Hard but Fun = PH. Bye.
I finished PH in about a week
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: ShadowBrain on February 12, 2008, 05:38:28 PM
Why does everybody think that game is hard? I mean, I guess it had its moments, so maybe it was more the shortness than the difficulty level that irked me, but... I dunno.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: silverstarman on February 12, 2008, 07:29:04 PM
Yeah, I don't find it that challenging either...
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: WarpRattler on February 12, 2008, 08:32:18 PM
Immortal Defense is a pretty tough game. I'm stuck on the level where you first have access to the Danmaku Point. Of course, if my computer wasn't acting up so that I could play the game right now, I'd probably already be through it, but...

The difficulty level of From the Abyss (an action RPG for the DS that's currently Japan-only) is annoying, because the first dungeon was tough, the second dungeon was easy until I fought the boss (which had an attack that made the battle reminiscent of danmaku games both in style and in difficulty), and the third dungeon is brutal in a way that leveling my character won't fix.

A lot of doujin games are really hard. Rosenkreuzstilette, Touhou, and eXceed are among them.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Glitchy on February 24, 2008, 11:25:37 AM
Phantom Hourglass was easy, but it had some hard parts. Like drawing the Triforce...Anyway, it should win the award for worst hand-writing recognition system of all time.

PH is SO. DANG. TEDIOUS. IGN sucks. I can't even FIND the chest with the crystal in tTotOK (the Temple of the Ocean King). So I gave up on that. Hard but Fun = PH. Bye.

Yeah, thats another hard part.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: silverstarman on February 24, 2008, 04:42:29 PM
I'm too lazy to skim this entire thread, but I don't think anyone has mentioned Contra.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: WarpRattler on February 24, 2008, 06:20:27 PM
Stop being so lazy. Contra was mentioned on the first page.

Space Invaders Extreme is an insanely hard game but I love it so much.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: silverstarman on February 24, 2008, 08:20:28 PM
But being lazy is my thing 8D. I had a feeling it would be one of the first mentioned.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Kuromatsu on February 24, 2008, 08:54:50 PM
Evil (http://www.geocities.jp/z_gundam_tanosii/home/applet/Main.html)

Nauseating (http://www.thepoppenkast.com/data/Messhof/punishment.zip)

Armageddon (http://blog53.fc2.com/k/king75/file/owata.html)

You Need some Japanese font to play the third one properly. (That, or don't, and let the game be impossible for you. =p)
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: star_wolf on April 24, 2008, 04:33:59 PM
Mario and the lost levels. I was raised thinking warps were a good thing! And mushrooms that kill? Hmmm... now I want to play it. Who wants to bet I don't get past world 3?
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Glorb on April 24, 2008, 05:00:30 PM
The fifth case of Phoenix Wright: Trials and Tribulations. The first four cases used normal Earth thinking, but some of the parts in the fifth require esoteric leaps of logic that only 200+ IQ masterminds can think of. Seriously, realizing that Pearl mistook "gravely" for "gravy"? Concluding the murderer used the bridge's suspension rope the swing the body under the bridge like a pendulum, leading the witness, who was upside-down, to think the body was flying through the air? HTF is anyone supposed to know that?
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Crazee on April 26, 2008, 10:31:04 PM
Oddly, a lot of my issues with games is that I overthink the game. I remember when I played Sonic Adventure and I was stuck on the final boss for Sonic. I'm here trying to time this PERFECT jump right after the shooting stops when all I have to do is spam the homing attack for half the battle. As soon as I did that, I sat blank faced like "...What...Just THAT?...but...it's the boss...why was Chaos 0 harder than this?"

The rest of my issue, at least with platformers(my first love in games), is that since they've moved to 3-D I die so often just jumping. I have bad depth perception, so it's a struggle. "But...isn't that jump makable? COME ON!"
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: WarpRattler on April 27, 2008, 09:34:16 AM
The Challenge mode in Nanostray 2 is actually less challenging than the main game, which is ridiculously tough...but it is a shmup, after all.

The new Pokémon Mystery Dungeon games are harder than the first two, mainly because the easier missions leave the Job Boards (there are two of them now; one of them rarely has new missions, but they're much harder than normal jobs despite being ranked at the same level) after only a few days in-game.

Rondo of Swords and The World Ends With You are both hard but for different reasons. I don't really want to go into detail about either of them.

SPAC3 INVADERS EXTR3ME is still an insanely hard game but I love it so much.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: dc804 on April 27, 2008, 09:50:04 AM
IWBTG is harder then all other games.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: CrzyFlmngMnkyHead on April 27, 2008, 07:53:40 PM
1-D Tetris. (http://www.tetris1d.org/index.php)

For those who didn't detect the sarcasm/irony.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Suffix on April 27, 2008, 09:02:30 PM
The first thing I imagined was trying to play Tetris when all you could see was a horizontal, 1 pixel line, but the irony has been made clear. Speaking of which, a one-dimensional array is horizontal.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: ShadowBrain on April 27, 2008, 09:25:27 PM
Tetris 1-D




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Have fun!
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Lizard Dude on April 27, 2008, 10:31:59 PM
Try mine too.

Tetris 0-D



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Have fun!
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Luigison on April 27, 2008, 10:43:23 PM
Hahahah.  My first online LOL of the day.  Thanks LD!

My first IRL LOL was when my 20 month old daughter was playing a game of acting like she was going to give me her juice bottle then running away laughing when I'd go to get it.  When I finally did get it after several times of her running away and laughing she fell to the floor crying.  I know it's cruel to laugh at a crying baby, but she lost at her own game and we all have to learn some time.  Besides, she got of and smiled real big when she saw I'd put the bottle down beside her. 

She also learned today that the Mario Kart wheel and Wiimote I gave her didn't work so she put it in one of here toys and sat on it laughing. 

Back on topic, Okami Wii isn't the hardest game so far, but I had a hard time with some of the brush strokes at first.  The harder I tried the worse I was at it.  I finally realized that I was trying to hard and fast.  Slowing down I can now get them right more consistently.  I'm still frustrated with getting the third sphere up to the bear. 
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: penguinwizard on April 30, 2008, 12:27:54 PM
Back on topic, Okami Wii isn't the hardest game so far, but I had a hard time with some of the brush strokes at first.  The harder I tried the worse I was at it.  I finally realized that I was trying to hard and fast.  Slowing down I can now get them right more consistently.  I'm still frustrated with getting the third sphere up to the bear.
Getting the third sphere up to the bear is difficult even with the PS2 controller. Even though it doesn't look hard, I still haven't managed to do it. That's assuming the third sphere is the green spiky thing... I've been away from Agata Forest so long that I don't remember which sphere I got up to.

But in general, Okami is an easy game. Makes me wish there was a Hard difficulty in Okami. Maybe there's not due to aesthetic reasons or having to focus on the single-player game (and who wants to playtest the game for a million more hours just to ensure a new difficulty isn't unfair?), but there's only a precious few moments in the game that are truly hard. And those moments are optional.

An example is the last Blockhead in the game (if you don't know what they are, you will soon enough), hidden in some obscure area. I swear that entirely depends on luck.

The second-hardest challenge in the game for me is the optional battle against the Canine Warriors really late in the game. I don't think it's humanly possible to finish that battle without refilling your health multiple times. Even with all the health-refilling items I had at the time, I was nearly dead at the end of it all. That's easily tougher than the final boss fight.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Glitchy on April 30, 2008, 04:24:52 PM
Mario Kart Wii on 150cc.

'Nuff said.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: silverstarman on April 30, 2008, 07:10:48 PM
Not really. The Star Cup is a little hard, but I got a Silver trophy with an "A" rank. Golds on both the Mushroom and Flower with 2 and one star ranks respectively. I have yet to try the Special Cup though. This has also been done on Automatic, so try that, since its easier. I use the "Flame Runner" bike. Try that, and it should work.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Turtlekid1 on April 30, 2008, 07:28:59 PM
SMB, SMB2, SMB3.

Take your pick.  I have yet to beat the latter.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: ShadowBrain on April 30, 2008, 08:06:25 PM
I've only died like once or twice in Okami... but it's still fun (hey, I don't think I ever died, period, in TP).
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: missingno on May 01, 2008, 12:22:33 PM
SMB, SMB2, SMB3.

Take your pick.  I have yet to beat the latter.

You've never beaten SMB3?

Whoa I've beaten it hundreds of times, also it was the first game I ever beat.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Turtlekid1 on May 01, 2008, 01:21:33 PM
Not that I've played it much... I just downloaded it from VC about 2 months ago.  Other than recently, I haven't played it since I was 5.
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: jmdblazer on May 01, 2008, 04:33:27 PM
I've been trying to beat SMB3 on from the virtual console but I'm stuck on the last world
Though I haven't been playing it that often
Title: Re: Hard Games
Post by: Wii-Player on May 02, 2008, 03:10:18 PM
The Legend of Zelda (original). I've found 7 triforce shards, and I can't seem to find the last one.