Author Topic: Mario's Past Villains (Read 22514 times)

billy chilly · « **on:** February 06, 2012, 12:55:53 AM »

Here's a retrospective on Mario's non-Bowser foes over the years: http://shigeruslist.com/2012/02/05/the-mushroom-kingdoms-least-wanted-mia-mario-villains/

Reminds me a bit of the post I made a few months ago about how Wario isn't quite as villainous as he used to be. Are there any baddies from the past you'd like to see menace the Mushroom Kingdom again? Or maybe there's a character that deserves a shot at their own series, ala Donkey Kong or Wario?

Weegee · « **Reply #1 on:** February 06, 2012, 12:59:11 AM »

I was going to say ">inb4 people start voting for the RPG villains", but alas, I was too late.

billy chilly · « **Reply #2 on:** February 06, 2012, 01:02:05 AM »

Heh, guilty as charged. I loved Mr. L.. And while I'd love to see Wario try to take over the world again, I think he's been an anti-hero too long to go back to being a full on-villain.

BP · « **Reply #3 on:** February 06, 2012, 01:26:54 AM »

I voted forrrrrr

Wario: I'd really, REALLY like it if they played up his anti-hero role some more. To be specific, he should appear in a game like Super Mario 64 where Mario collects stars as a recurring character. In some missions, he has stolen a star and you must beat it out of him. In others, he's trying to steal something more valuable and offers to cooperate with you to get it, and gives you a star if you do. Neither the main antagonist, nor a pawn of Bowser's, just a pain in the ass that you have to be friends with.

Cackletta: Out of all the Mario & Luigi games, something about the Beanbean Kingdom and other original stuff in Superstar Saga resonates with the main series, I think. I would've loved to see it and Cackletta stick around.

Tatanga: Basically I'd want him to be the same thing as Orbulon--a funny little alien who tried to be the bad guy but wasn't very good at it. He's so puny. I can see him serving another villain, but with ulterior motives that, to the player, are obviously doomed to fail.

The Chef · « **Reply #4 on:** February 06, 2012, 10:01:08 AM »

Tatanga appeared to be Wario's underling in SML2, but these days Wario doesn't really have underlings anymore. To this day I wonder who the hell came up with all those COM opponents in Wario's Woods. Actually, I think I'd like to see THEM make a comeback somehow. Maybe as RPG bosses or something? Who knows...

Toad · « **Reply #5 on:** February 07, 2012, 12:34:27 AM »

What we need is a Wario's Woods remake with WarioWare characters, and maybe Waluigi too (how come Waluigi hasn't been in a WarioWare game?)

Anyway, the ones I voted for..

Wart: We have nearly everything else from SMB2, so why not the main villian? He would make a good alternate villian for the series, possibly a good villian for a spinoff character's games (ie: Super Princess Peach, or if Toad had his own new game). Another heavy type character for the sports spinoffs.. He could even become some sort of comic relief in an rpg setting.

Tatanga: Would have been a naturaul choice in the SMG games, at least for a cameo, but no.. I agree with what BP said about him, and don't really have anything to add to it..

Wario: I would love to see what would happen if the WarioWare Wario tried to buy-out Mario VS Donkey Kong's Mini Mario Toy Co in a hostile takeover.. That aside: a non-spinoff, non-Smash Bros game is where these two should face off again (and I agree with BP again..)

BP · « **Reply #6 on:** February 07, 2012, 12:40:14 AM »

We're just such agreeable dudes

Toad · « **Reply #7 on:** February 07, 2012, 12:44:05 AM »

Indeed

Kimimaru · « **Reply #8 on:** February 07, 2012, 05:06:57 PM »

Yeah, I also think Wario should be a villain again.

Isn't Donkey Kong basically a villain in the Mario Vs. Donkey Kong games?

The Chef · « **Reply #9 on:** February 07, 2012, 09:21:03 PM »

Yes....but those are the Mario vs. Donkey Kong games. That DK is otherwise not a villainous character.

Qwerty · « **Reply #10 on:** February 09, 2012, 08:37:12 PM »

Mario against Mario. It must happen.

Ninjap00 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 10, 2012, 03:31:10 PM »

I concur with Qwerty. Mario's battle with himself is inevitable.

Toad · « **Reply #12 on:** February 12, 2012, 01:19:14 PM »

Super Mario Bros Mario vs Super Mario 3D Land Mario!

BP · « **Reply #13 on:** August 01, 2012, 02:12:55 AM »

We had Mario vs. Mario, kiiiiinda. Shadow Mario.

Shadow Mario feels like kind of a waste, in hindsight. He had a few interesting points going for him. He did some really weird things, had that creepy piercing gaze, an odd weakness to water and a destructive personality. It's like he was planned to be a completely separate entity to start but Bowser and Jr. were brought in partway through...

I guess the intention was for the twist to be twofold, Shadow Mario is someone in disguise, and that someone is Bowser's all-new son. But what if?

CrossEyed7 · « **Reply #14 on:** August 01, 2012, 08:58:05 PM »

Sometimes I entertain the notion that the final boss in Luigi's Mansion was originally supposed to actually be Bowser, getting actually beheaded, and King Boo was just Bowser's ghost, and Sunshine was originally just going to have Shadow Mario.

Doubtful.

However, it might be possible that Luigi's Mansion is set in a future where Bowser is dead, as per Madam Clairvoya or whatever her name was, and King Boo is animating his corpse.

The Chef · « **Reply #15 on:** August 02, 2012, 08:36:05 AM »

BP and I have discussed at length a lot of bizarre things in Luigi's Mansion, and Bowser's "presence" is one of them. I always wondered why Luigi is seen putting Bowser's head into the Ghost Portraitificationizer along with King Boo even though we never see him collect it (to say nothing of how it looks too big to even fit inside the Poltergust 3000). It may seem like an excuse to just have Bowser in the painting along with King Boo, but why was that seen as important in the first place?

BP · « **Reply #16 on:** August 02, 2012, 04:59:14 PM »

I never noticed that before. Luigi is sent out of the painting as soon as King Boo is defeated and he only takes KB and his crown with him. Plot hole ahoy... unless the fight actually did take place on the roof and the lifeless Bowser suit/machine/thing could be found there afterwards

As far as why he would get Bowser into the painting... the way E. Gadd talks about his gallery, he seems to be really into the paintings as artworks as well as trophies. Maybe hearing Luigi's story of the battle made him want a more dramatic-looking picture with both of them.