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Video Games => Video Game Chat => Topic started by: Glitchy on October 13, 2008, 02:53:02 PM
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Alright, I'm going to make a basic tier list, and we can debate where each character goes. Instead of it being based on tournaments, its based on how good (or balanced) the character is, in general. While there may be a lot of controversy, hopefully we'll settle on something.
If this isn't in the right section, then please move it.
Well, this is how I picture it:
Top
Marth
Toon Link
Sheik
Captain Falcon
Falco
Lucario
High
Fox
Wolf
Sonic
Luigi
Zelda
Zero Suit Samus
Bowser
Pit (Probably should be lower)
Link
Ganondorf
Jigglypuff *
Middle
Peach * (No idea)
Ike
Mario
Pokemon Trainer *
Samus
Snake
Olimar * (Honestly, I have no idea)
Ness*
Lucas*
Ganondorf *
Low
Yoshi
Ice Climbers
Kirby
Pikachu
Mr. Game & Watch
Meta Knight *
Diddy Kong *
Donkey Kong
Wario
ROB
King Dedede
If I wasn't really sure, I put a * next to it.
Note: Even though there aren't any numbers, they are still in order.
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Pikachu should be in the top.
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King Dedede is at the absolute bottom? Wait, how are we determining "balanced"?
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Tiers are bunk in the first place. If you're going to use them though, you need actual criteria instead of how good you, Glitchy, are with each character.
Pretty much every character can be used effectively if you put in the time to do so. Also, how is "middle" the third of four categories?
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King Dedede is at the absolute bottom? Wait, how are we determining "balanced"?
King Dedede is not balanced, he is focused on Power, not speed. (Although someone did manage to beat me with him) Tiers are inaccurate, opinionated and worthless.
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I think this guy has somehow not unlocked Wario yet. How is that?
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I actually agree with that. While Wario is fun to play as and worth a few laughs, he's really not very practical.
Opinions on some of my more well-liked characters:
Sheik: Agree. Fast, with a nice moveset.
Falco: Agree. Nice jump ability and a shamelessly cheap but effective Final Smash.
Wolf: Sort of agree. I would put him in the top, but that's because I play as him a lot and he's quite possibly my best character.
Peach: Meh. I guess she fits there, but she could just as viably be one tier up.
Pikachu: Lol wut? Put him in the top, man!
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I honestly think that Meta Knight, DK, Mr G&W and the Ice Climbers should be higher than that, and that Mario, Ganondorf and Olimar be moved down.
Not that I believe in all this tier crap anyway, but...
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Not that I believe in all this tier crap anyway, but...
QFT. If everyone put the effort they used to create irrelevant tier lists into just picking a character and playing a Brawl, they'd be well on their way to getting better by their own virtues (and maybe unlocking some newer, potentially better characters if they're SSE-haters).
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Tiers are stupid, IMO. Basically all the characters can be really great - the only thing separating characters like Mr. Game and Watch from Mario is the level of skill it takes to master them. But seriously, any character can be really hard to beat in the hands of a master.
Just for kicks, however - if I was making a tier list, I would not put Captain Falcon nearly as high as you did. Captain Falcon has seriously been nerfed since the last two games. I'm serious, he was amazing in the original and Melee. Now he's just kind of meh.
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I've found Ice Climbers, MG&W, and ROB to be great.
Ice Climbers: They're quite powerful if you know how to use them, though it takes a while to master them
MG&W: He is both fast and strong, definitely not the best in either, but a balanced character nonetheless.
ROB: see MG&W, plus great if you learn to utilize his special attacks.
And you forgot Bowser, who should be at the bottom, along with Ganondorf.
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Tiers are for queers.
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How dare you insult gay people.
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Did he just insult gays? Time to break out Vidgmchtr. Oh wait...
As for Meta Knight, [wtd]? I always win when I play as him. I think he should be at least in high.
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Meta Knight is really kind of weird and weak but makes up for it in quickness, I guess. He doesn't really have powerful smashes.
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Or even Final Smashes, for that matter.
But I'm still a little bit accustomed to Melee's speed, so Fox, Sheik, Meta Knight and the like are usually the ones with the P1 token on them.
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Tiers are for queers.
...Um, thanks.
I knew I shouldn't made this thread.
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I was kidding/using sarcasm. Has nobody else seen the Flash series that revolves around SSB? I forget the name of it, but there's one that has Dr Wright telling everybody to say that Tiers are for Queers!
I personally do not care for tiers. Anybody who is great with any character can beat up another player who is great with any character.
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Pikachu deserves a less-than-middle spot, has only MAJOR plus is his projectile attacks in multiple directions. He is however quite slow and lightweight.
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I was kidding/using sarcasm. Has nobody else seen the Flash series that revolves around SSB? I forget the name of it, but there's one that has Dr Wright telling everybody to say that Tiers are for Queers!
I personally do not care for tiers. Anybody who is great with any character can beat up another player who is great with any character.
No, but I just remembred that there are a small series of SSBB bloopers on Youtube where Mario says "Tier's are for queers!".
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Pikachu deserves a less-than-middle spot, has only MAJOR plus is his projectile attacks in multiple directions. He is however quite slow and lightweight.
Untrue. Thundering an enemy and KOing him up to the heavens is something I'm able to do a lot. I steal KOs this way also.
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Pikachu is actually amazingly good. Especially with successive down Bs launching your foes higher and higher into the air and also when you absorb it right next to someone else and give off an even bigger blast. Also, he is not slow in the least.
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No, but I just remembred that there are a small series of SSBB bloopers on Youtube where Mario says "Tier's are for queers!".
That's a refernce to the Smash Kingdom (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/428847) series.
Edit: language and content warning.
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Pikachu is actually amazingly good. Especially with successive down Bs launching your foes higher and higher into the air and also when you absorb it right next to someone else and give off an even bigger blast.
I'm not going to mention how excessively cheap that is....., but if I had to, I'd say that (on a scale of 1 to 10 of cheapness) it'd definitely be...OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAND!! *shot*
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Cheapness doesn't exist.
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How did Luigi jump from #18 out of 25 (official tier ranking) in Melee to top 10 in Brawl? (Though personally, I think he was better in Melee..)
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I feel he was way improved in Brawl, mostly just because his recovery was un-broken. But I don't play as Luigi that much in either Melee or Brawl, though he used to be my favorite in SSB.
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I'm not going to mention how excessively cheap that is.....
In Brawl, it's a lot less cheap.
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Cheapness doesn't exist.
It does if you spam the same attack over and over.
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If it works that well, why wouldn't you do it? Don't you want to win?
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I've seen the Smash Kingdom series. I got the TR4Q joke, and I actually agree with Dr. Wright, Tiers are dumb. It only encourages players to use certain characters more often than other characters. Play around with all the characters until you find the ones you are really good with. I'm pretty good with Ganondorf in Melee, and he was near the bottom tier.
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My personal view is that, unless your are actually cheating, no method of winning is actually cheap. I have a friend that thinks using the Gamecube C-Stick to do smash attacks in Melee and Brawl is "cheap," which I disagree with. Besides, doing things like only spamming one attack is usually only useful against players a lot less experienced than you. Trying that against a Smash Bros tournament master would just get your butt kicked.
The only thing I'm not sure about is certain techniques like snaking and wave-dashing, which may or may not be glitches - not advanced techniques intended by the actual developers. Regardless, I don't play against people that use them, so it doesn't matter to me whether other players take advantage of them. However, I'm not fond of people who claim that Brawl and Mario Kart Wii were ruined just because they took those things out. Complain about the lack of new content, complain about the items - I don't care about that, but saying that you won't even play those games just because you can't dominate with a questionable technique isn't my cup of tea.
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If it works that well, why wouldn't you do it? Don't you want to win?
I can win without resorting to spamming one move over and over again, thank you.
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Give me Toon Link and I'll Down-Air the heck out of you.
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I'll try to better explain tiers.
A player using Marth could still get their butt kicked by a more highly skilled player that uses Ganondorf. However, if these two players were equally skilled, the odds will lean more in Marth's favor.
It pretty much just compares the performance of different characters in tournaments when used by players of the same skill level.
My problem with tiers is that newbies misinterpret its purpose.
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Sqrt2, I believe you are what Lizard Dude refers to as a "scrub".
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Give me Toon Link and I'll Down-Air the heck out of you.
And I'll counter you every time if I have to!
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Now you've got the idea.
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Give me Toon Link and I'll Down-Air the heck out of you.
My friend who likes Toon Link is annoying and sometimes downright scary with how well she can use that move.
BTW, I've been playing as Snake a bit. I think he should maybe go one tier up for his mad mine-laying skillz.