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Title: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Corleone on November 23, 2007, 01:59:45 PM
What do you think the next 3D Mario game should be? I think they should make it like "Mario is Missing" but a cool 3D platformer. Like, you play as Luigi and go from world to world getting power stars to save Mario, and there could be multiple characters like in Super Mario 64 DS, and when you beat the game and rescue Mario, you can play as him. That or a Dr. Mario-themed one.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Vidgmchtr on November 23, 2007, 02:04:41 PM
What do you think the next 3D Mario game should be? I think they should make it like "Mario is Missing" but a cool 3D platformer.
I believe they already did that with Luigi's Mansion.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Corleone on November 23, 2007, 02:08:31 PM
Not really...It was just going around a mansion with a vacuum.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: WarpRattler on November 23, 2007, 02:11:48 PM
...and rescuing Mario.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Corleone on November 23, 2007, 02:18:37 PM
Let me put it better; It is about Luigi rescuing Mario, but in the 3D Mario series (Super Mario 64, Super Mario Sunshine, Super Mario Galaxy) so you are basically going around a 3D environment collecting stars.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: goodie on November 23, 2007, 03:48:28 PM
Nah. Collect-y games aren't any fun.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Corleone on November 23, 2007, 03:56:11 PM
*sigh*

I mean getting. Like the past 3D Mario games, not like Xtreme Happy Butterfly Catcher Man.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: The Chef on November 23, 2007, 06:00:41 PM
I'd rather Luigi star in a point and click adventure, minus the edutainment aspect. That would be good on either the DS or the Wii.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Chupperson Weird on November 23, 2007, 09:05:32 PM
I'm always up for a Luigi's Mansion sequel. Luigi's Mansion owned.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Luigison on November 23, 2007, 09:12:35 PM
I'd like another Luigi's Mansion.  My only disappointment with the game was that you couldn't jump.  I bought it think it was going to be a platformer. 
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: ~Lavender on November 23, 2007, 09:16:17 PM
Actually, the Official Nintendo Magazine of U.K. had an issue a while back this year, with an article on Luigi. It said he would get a new solo 3D platformer following SM64's storyline.

But, its sort of still a rumour and a lot of people aren't buying it. A few months ago on GameFaqs and other boards, had a lot of people claiming they read it in the magazine, even websites in pure French had people talking about it. The funny thing is that not one person has scanned or photocopied the article, despite all the people on gamefaqs that were going "pics or it didn't happen" 

It was even mentioned in Luigi's page for Wikipedia, might still be there, there was a debate about whether to keep it there or not.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Linkin800 on November 23, 2007, 09:56:59 PM
What i want Nintendo to do is make a Paper Luigi that takes place during Luigi's adventure that he was doing during Paper Mario 2.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Luigison on November 23, 2007, 10:37:09 PM
ONM was notorious for making inaccurate speculation and presenting it as fact.  I use the past tense here because I no longer have a subscription and they changed publishers.  I don't know about their current accuracy?
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: ShadowBrain on November 23, 2007, 11:21:15 PM
What i want Nintendo to do is make a Paper Luigi that takes place during Luigi's adventure that he was doing during Paper Mario 2.
Amen.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: BP on November 24, 2007, 04:57:32 AM
The books you can purchase after the game spoil the ending for Paper Luigi, however.

I liked Luigi's Mansion, too. A sequel to it without a lot of original content would disappoint, however.

More games need to be like Super Mario 64 in terms of playable characters. You'll need them all, but you can pretty much play as whoever you like. I would really love to have Yoshi playable in another 3-D Mario game. The next Mario platformer ought to go off of Galaxy's engine, but with normal gravity and set in the Mushroom Kingdom. The Mushroom Kingdom is ever-changing, so it could be completely different from in Paper Mario or Partners in Time... I'd like to see the Toad Town and castle return from Galaxy as the central area, though.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Linkin800 on November 24, 2007, 03:04:48 PM
More games need to be like Super Mario 64 in terms of playable characters. You'll need them all, but you can pretty much play as whoever you like. I would really love to have Yoshi playable in another 3-D Mario game. The next Mario platformer ought to go off of Galaxy's engine, but with normal gravity and set in the Mushroom Kingdom. The Mushroom Kingdom is ever-changing, so it could be completely different from in Paper Mario or Partners in Time... I'd like to see the Toad Town and castle return from Galaxy as the central area, though.

Ive been wishing about the same thing for years now. Id rather have a Mario game that takes place in Toad Town and the castle Instead of them just being in a rpg. Thats why ive been trying to make a Toad Town in Super Mario 64 with Toad's Tools 64! But so far I cant do it with out having to mess up the warp ID's
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: volbound1700 on November 25, 2007, 01:19:16 AM
One wild idea I made:

One make a massing 3-D Coop Mario Game (1-4 players) with Mario, Luigi, Yoshi, Toad, DK, or Diddy Kong as playable heroes.  This time Bowser gets mad and hatches a plan to bring in all the villians from past Marios to help him defeat Mario.  He sends them out into the different worlds of the Mushroom Kingdom (Like in SMB3).  Levels be linear with an exit screen.  Enemies appear from different worlds

World 1: Grass World   Boss:  Wario and Waluigi
World 2: Desert World  Boss: Tryclyde and Mouser as a mini-boss
World 3: Ocean World  Boss: Giant Blooper and Wendy Koopa as mini-boss in airship
World 4: DK Jungle Boss: King K Rool
World 5: Yoshis Island: Boss Kamek
World 6: Sky World   Boss: Wart  with appearances by long cast of SMB 2 enemies
World 7: Space World Boss: Taratanga (SML)
World 8: Ice World  Boss: Morton, Lemmy, and Larry Koopa
World 9: Pipe World Boss: Ludwig Koopa (with some technologically advanced attack) Petey Piranha as mini-boss
World 10: Dark World  Boss: Koopa of Course but before him you have to fight the 7 Koopalings and Bowser Jr. in a combo match. 

Wario and Waluigi should have appearances throughout the game as kind of a Knucles Character from SMB 3. 
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Vidgmchtr on November 25, 2007, 01:46:54 AM
Please, please, PLEASE stop telling us your ideas for Mario games. We told you a handful of times before we didn't like them, yet you INSIST on sharing them with us.

I'm not trying to be mean, please don't perceive it as such (I mean it guys, LD, Melee, anyone else who thought I was deliberately trying to be mean to someone in the past). I (and a few others) are just very tired of hearing your ideas. You may like them, that's fine, but we're not the people to talk to about them. You're going to get the same criticism every time you present ideas to us. Don't think it's just you, if other people presented their ideas they'd probably get the same criticism you're receiving from us.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Chupperson Weird on November 25, 2007, 01:52:33 AM
I would really hate recurring Wario (and Waluigi, shudder).
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: BP on November 25, 2007, 02:00:21 AM
It's just not extremely creative. It's just a bunch of names of characters and locations (Some technologically advanced attack? Come up with something!).

I don't know if it would work with a Mario game, but maybe a game without separate worlds would be fun. I still want stylized areas, but not worlds only accessible via painting or whatever. Like in Zelda--traveling from one destination to the next to get the job done. Of course, you would probably get a Warp Whistle that could take you back to any major landmark you've already visited. Maybe ditch the collecting part altogether and just have the player accomplish things, like, save this person, get this item.

Though that kind of game calls for one hero, I still want more playable characters in the next one. Maybe that could be set up with alternate cut scenes. "Oh! Yoshi! What are you doing here? They said Mario would come... It doesn't matter." And you could just play as whomever you want. With unlocking involved. "Thanks, Bro. I thought I was done for back there! I want to do whatever I can to help... how about you take a break for a while, and I'll cover for you?"
>Yes >No

Yeah. I'm no Miyamoto (or whoever does the writing/level design these days), so I won't go into the plot and areas and bosses. As long as future games are still Galaxy-quality, I'll be happy (my ideas will never happen :/).
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Corleone on November 25, 2007, 07:35:58 AM
I think if the next game ever does come out, it should use Mario Galaxy's engine (and hopefully graphics) minus the Star Spinning and spherical planets. But, they could still make a boss fight on a spherical island, like Raphael the Raven in Yoshi's Island.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: silverstarman on November 25, 2007, 10:30:39 AM
What about Super Mario 128? That's been behind Nintendo for at least 10 years, and they keep saying they'll release it.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: The Chef on November 25, 2007, 11:30:06 AM
Meh, suddenly I'm reminded of all those Super Mario 64 II ideas I had back in 4th and 5th grade.

The first one had the lame-o title of "MarioMega" and featured Luigi, Yoshi, Wario, Waluigi and arcade-style DK Jr. as supporting characters. Some of my ideas included each character having their own projectile attack (Mario and Luigi = fireballs, Yoshi = eggs, Wario and Waluigi = spinies) and Mario having a "Ninja Suit" power-up that enabled him to throw shurikens.

Later on I just thought of a more Banjo-Kazooie type setup, with the castle area from the first SM64 as the starting point, and then having ten themed world with ten stars in each, along with a Koopaling guarding the key to the next world a la DK64. I think I had this idea where Luigi was usable for specific missions provided you collected enough green "L" medals to pay him off first.

My last ideas consisted of a Sonic Adventure 2 style setup where you just progress through linear stages interspersed by short cutscenes, and another one with a Crash Bandicoot-style warp hub. That one featured the Big Snowman from Snowman's Land as a boss, and I chose to give him the awkward name of "Mr. Blizzard Snr.", based off of Master Necky Snr. from DKC.

It's also worth noting that all of these ideas had a big final battle where Mario has to use the power of the stars to take down a Giga-fied Bowser, and in addition to all these, I had a plethora of Mario Kart, Mario Party and Mario RPG revivals in between. I was a real idea machine, even though I typically ripped off whatever latest games had come out. Having a whole set of Nintendo beanbag dolls and other toys with which to brainstorm with didn't help.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: volbound1700 on November 25, 2007, 10:16:50 PM
One wild idea I made:

One make a massing 3-D Coop Mario Game (1-4 players) with Mario, Luigi, Yoshi, Toad, DK, or Diddy Kong as playable heroes.  This time Bowser gets mad and hatches a plan to bring in all the villians from past Marios to help him defeat Mario.  He sends them out into the different worlds of the Mushroom Kingdom (Like in SMB3).  Levels be linear with an exit screen.  Enemies appear from different worlds

World 1: Grass World   Boss:  Wario and Waluigi
World 2: Desert World  Boss: Tryclyde and Mouser as a mini-boss
World 3: Ocean World  Boss: Giant Blooper and Wendy Koopa as mini-boss in airship
World 4: DK Jungle Boss: King K Rool
World 5: Yoshis Island: Boss Kamek
World 6: Sky World   Boss: Wart  with appearances by long cast of SMB 2 enemies
World 7: Space World Boss: Taratanga (SML)
World 8: Ice World  Boss: Morton, Lemmy, and Larry Koopa
World 9: Pipe World Boss: Ludwig Koopa (with some technologically advanced attack) Petey Piranha as mini-boss
World 10: Dark World  Boss: Koopa of Course but before him you have to fight the 7 Koopalings and Bowser Jr. in a combo match. 

Wario and Waluigi should have appearances throughout the game as kind of a Knuckles Character from SMB 3. 

I am not sure if any of your points where addressing my idea but I will respond to all of them.

Unique?  Yes this is unique.  Name one Mario Adventure Game with 4 player mode.  Name one 3D Mario game with such a long list of unique worlds, characters, enemies.  Basically this one resemble a 3D Super Mario Brothers 3/SMW in that you go to different worlds with unique levels.  "Well that has been done before on the NES."  No it hasn't, SMB 3 was 2d, this is 3D.  Also using that logic, Super Mario Galaxy and Sunshine are clones of 64 since you just collect stars.  SMB3 is clone of SMB1. 
This game would definitely be unique in many ways.  I also originally thought about doing a Kirby's Dreamland as a stage... see my original post but probably will cut that as too much. 
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: BP on November 25, 2007, 11:08:56 PM
I didn't say unique. I said original/creative. And I was referring to the worlds and characters you named.
A multiplayer platformer wouldn't work out so well... split-screen, or weird camera? Choose. Two players, maybe, but four? Most of my friends would die a lot, too...
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Chupperson Weird on November 26, 2007, 01:18:14 AM
Not to mention the levels would have to be ultra simple to facilitate four people trying to go over them at once, with 1/4 of the proper screen size and resolution.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: BP on November 26, 2007, 01:38:14 AM
Now, let me add to my last comment. It might, might work on the DS. When SM64DS was first announced I thought it might have a mode in which four players all play at the same time and can meet up with each other and interact, help each other, etc. That, I can see working.  Not strictly cooperative, or on the same screen.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: volbound1700 on November 26, 2007, 12:34:56 PM
Well several other coop games have gotten it to work.

Original?

None of the Marios are original under your definition.  Bowser is the bad guy and kidnaps peach.  You go save peach.  None of them are Original.  However, this one would be fairly original because I doubt most people have played a game today with Wart or Tatanga in it.  A lot of those old games today are neglected. 
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: goodie on November 26, 2007, 04:23:14 PM
I agree that the new games should try to be more like the old ones. And the collecting stars should be done away with altogether.
A four player mode could work, but it'd work best if each player was on their own console and tv. So, it could use online multiplayer, or just connect several Wii's together- kinda like you could do with Mario Kart Double Dash.
Its too bad they didn't make the Wii HD-compatible, though. Then the screen size and resolution wouldn't be as much of an issue.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Chupperson Weird on November 26, 2007, 05:26:23 PM
Early SM64DS would have worked, where each person had their own screen. Too bad they changed it.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Corleone on November 26, 2007, 05:38:15 PM
Well several other coop games have gotten it to work.

Original?

None of the Marios are original under your definition.  Bowser is the bad guy and kidnaps peach.  You go save peach.  None of them are Original.  However, this one would be fairly original because I doubt most people have played a game today with Wart or Tatanga in it.  A lot of those old games today are neglected. 
He's not comparing it to other Marios. In fact, I agree. Your idea is just a recap of the Mario series with a guest appearance by King K. Rool. Co-op is not fun. If you want multiplayer, play Smash Bros. It's great.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: volbound1700 on November 27, 2007, 12:49:04 PM
Smash brothers is a fighting game idiot not a coop adventure game.

You are not the first idiot to say that but that is like saying, you want coop game go play Halo.  Smash bros. and Mario Brother games share nothing in common other then Mario and his entourage make an appearance in Smash bros. 

I am talking about a coop multiplayer game in the style of Sonic the Hedgehog 2 or the old Mario Games.  Shoot I would even take having a player die and the other one take over like in the old days. 
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: ~Lavender on November 27, 2007, 04:47:57 PM
What I really like about this forum, is that whenever people like you try to start a flame, no one ever responds. Pretty rare to happen, ESPECIALLY in a gaming board.

Anyway I hope that rumour about the next 3D game being Luigi comes true 8D
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Corleone on November 27, 2007, 05:05:23 PM
Smash brothers is a fighting game idiot not a coop adventure game.
No need to call names. I never said it was co-op. You want proof? Read the post and don't just look at the interesting things. Co-op is really just multiplayer where two players work on teams. Old Mario games are not Co-op, by the way. You want "Co-op", play Super Mario Galaxy.

A rumor? Where did you hear this?
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: BP on November 27, 2007, 07:13:25 PM
Dear Volbound,
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/modea07.html
Your friend, Bird Person.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Vidgmchtr on November 28, 2007, 11:21:29 AM
Smash brothers is a fighting game idiot not a coop adventure game.

You are not the first idiot to say that but that is like saying, you want coop game go play Halo.  Smash bros. and Mario Brother games share nothing in common other then Mario and his entourage make an appearance in Smash bros.

Dude, your profile says you're in your 20s. Grow up. Many people here in their early teens know better than to start flame wars with using childish names.

And, yeah, what BP said. Brawl's going to have co-op.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Boo Dudley on November 28, 2007, 12:52:54 PM
SMG has only been out for a month, and your already talkin' about the next one.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: ~Lavender on November 28, 2007, 04:15:56 PM
'A rumor? Where did you hear this?"

You never knew? I thought almost everyone would. Luigi getting his own game for the Wii...some people don't believe it though, which is reasonable. A lot of forums and websites have had people claiming they read it in the ONM magazine, but no one's ever scanned it >< The first time I heard about it was on gamefaqs, then eventually it went on to Wikipedia...
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Chupperson Weird on November 28, 2007, 04:48:54 PM
None of that means that it's true.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: ~Lavender on November 28, 2007, 04:54:46 PM
Thats why I called it a rumour :]
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Corleone on November 28, 2007, 05:00:27 PM
Huh. Could you PM me a link or something? I'd like to see the details.

Dude, your profile says you're in your 20s.
You believed that?
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: PaperLuigi on November 28, 2007, 05:03:04 PM
Smash brothers is a fighting game idiot not a coop adventure game.

You are not the first idiot to say that but that is like saying, you want coop game go play Halo. 

What the heck is wrong with you? Calling him an idiot when you know nothing about him. Why don't you think before you post next time.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: ~Lavender on November 28, 2007, 05:06:16 PM
Ugh, I think I should go edit my post from yesterday >_>

Corleone, not to sound like a mod but was that really necessary >< It may just get worse now...Anyway I'll see what I can do about the links for you.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: volbound1700 on November 28, 2007, 09:21:55 PM
What the heck is wrong with you? Calling him an idiot when you know nothing about him. Why don't you think before you post next time.

LOL dude you guys started it first flaming my ideas which people at other boards have liked.  Your the only people that criticize it.  BTW Coop in Smash Bros is not the same as playing a full coop Mario Bros game, I am sorry.  People who keep saying you want to play Coop go play Smash Bros, it is getting old.  Smash Bros. is a fighting game not an adventure, platform game. 
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Vidgmchtr on November 28, 2007, 10:01:13 PM
LOL dude you guys started it first flaming my ideas which people at other boards have liked.

We're not flaming your ideas, for the millionth time. We just don't like them. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.

Now if we were to say "your ideas suck and so do you", THEN we would be flaming you. What WE'RE doing is telling you that there are many flaws in your ideas in a mature (though in some cases, a little sarcastic, but never in an offensive manner) way.

Like I said before, opinions are GOING to be argued in a place like this. If you don't like this concept of a forum, you don't have to be here.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: BP on November 28, 2007, 10:09:08 PM
Nnnnnnnno difference between SSBB's Subspace Emissary Adventure mode, and SMB with punching, kicking, PK Thunder, Falcon Punch, and boss battles with the objective to knock your enemy out of the arena, were found.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: PaperLuigi on November 28, 2007, 11:40:55 PM
LOL dude you guys started it first flaming my ideas which people at other boards have liked. 

Dude, you don't know what flaming is, do you?
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Corleone on November 29, 2007, 05:28:42 PM
Smash Bros. is a fighting game not an adventure, platform game. 
Clearly you've never played Adventure mode? It sorta doubles as a fighting/adventure. Also, we're not flaming you. We're telling you your ideas are not good and simply rejecting them. Please go away if all you're gonna do is flame and post your Mario game ideas.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: volbound1700 on November 29, 2007, 10:05:28 PM
Clearly you've never played Adventure mode? It sorta doubles as a fighting/adventure. Also, we're not flaming you. We're telling you your ideas are not good and simply rejecting them. Please go away if all you're gonna do is flame and post your Mario game ideas.

LOL, it is not a Mario game.  Argue all you want but that game is Super Smash Bros.  I am talking about a Mario game.  Whatever, you are the ones that like Sunshine so much, the Mario game that almost sunk the Mario series. 

How many copies have Mario64 and Sunshine sold?  Not even half as much as Super Mario Brothers 3 sold.  How about Gamecube and 64, how do they compare in sales and market dominance compared to the original NES?  Yet I don't know what I am talking about I guess.  Apparently the ideas in the older games worked. 
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Chupperson Weird on November 29, 2007, 10:14:02 PM
Markets change. Did you ever consider that? Just because you happen to be around people that did not enjoy something does not mean that your environment is an accurate microcosm of the world. No one but you ever said that Mario Sunshine "almost sunk" Mario. I would even go so far as to say that that isn't possible. Having gone 20 years at that point, do you really think that one game (among many being released around the same time) would have decided whether the franchise continued to exist?
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: volbound1700 on November 29, 2007, 10:29:02 PM
Markets change. Did you ever consider that? Just because you happen to be around people that did not enjoy something does not mean that your environment is an accurate microcosm of the world. No one but you ever said that Mario Sunshine "almost sunk" Mario. I would even go so far as to say that that isn't possible. Having gone 20 years at that point, do you really think that one game (among many being released around the same time) would have decided whether the franchise continued to exist?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_video_game_consoles_%28sixth_generation%29

PS2 120 million
Gamecube 20 million


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_video_game_consoles_%28third_generation%29

NES 60 million
Next in line (Atari) 13 million

Not to mention Xbox was way ahead of Gamecube as well despite late start.
There has been a large dropoff in the Mario fanbase overtime... just saying.  Nintendo dominated the market back in the day of 2D... somewhere between 2D and 3D, Nintendo went wrong.  They did not make the quality of games they once made.  Systems have to have good quality games to sell.  Playstation 3 is not doing as well right now partly because they don't have the games that Nintendo Wii and Xbox 360 have (not to mention Wii's innovation). 

Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: PaperLuigi on November 29, 2007, 10:36:10 PM
Whatever, you are the ones that like Sunshine so much, the Mario game that almost sunk the Mario series. 

You really have no idea what you're talking about. Just because Sunshine wasn't the best selling Mario game of all time doesn't mean it almost ruined him.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: volbound1700 on November 29, 2007, 10:45:31 PM
You really have no idea what you're talking about. Just because Sunshine wasn't the best selling Mario game of all time doesn't mean it almost ruined him.

Did it even break a Million copies?  I think it might have gotten 1.2 million only on name alone.  Everyone I knew told me I was dumb to get a Gamecube back in the day because all the games where kiddy.  I got it so I could play College Football and it was a lot cheaper then other systems at the time (I got it for eighty dollars, plus I thought I could find Sonic/Mario games to play with my sister on it).  However, just like most people, I jumped out of Mario and Nintendo after the 16 bit era (although the 64 wasn't bad at all, I just never got one).  I know very few people who haven't play the originals.  I know very few people who have played Sunshine or the newer ones and liked them.  Now I am really flaming but still, I am just trying to break you guys out of your narrow-mindedness.  Sunshine isn't as bad as I am putting it up to be, but it was definitely not a Mario epic like the originals, neither where many of the Gamecube games, that is why Sony and Microsoft have started to dominate the market until recently.  Nintendo is getting back to its roots now and people are really into the Wii, Nintendo is big once again.  I loved Gamecube and loved the Mario sports games and Mario Kart: Double Dash, etc. but even I admit it wasn't as up to par as Nintendo could do.  IMO, if it wasn't for SSB Melee and fans like the people on this board (that is why I am trying to get along with everyone), Gamecube would have likely been a failure.  I am one of those fallen away fans that has returned and there are ALOT of us out there.  Sure Mario can sell to a 10 or 12 year old, but you need games that can sell to College kids and Highschool kids, that is a majority of the market.  I think the Wii is starting to accomplish that. 
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Chupperson Weird on November 29, 2007, 10:56:38 PM
Yeah you know, a good portion of people don't play vd
Nintendo dominated the market back in the day of 2D... somewhere between 2D and 3D, Nintendo went wrong.  They did not make the quality of games they once made.  Systems have to have good quality games to sell.

That is an illogical jump. PlayStation beat N64 to market and had the backing of Square. PS2 majorly jumped everyone else and had backwards compatibility with the successful PSX.

Also, you are incorrect in thinking that college age people are the majority of game players. Everyone knows ??-~15 is the majority of the ages of gamers.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: MEGAߥTE on November 29, 2007, 11:16:00 PM
Also, you are incorrect in thinking that college age people are the majority of game players. Everyone knows ??-~15 is the majority of the ages of gamers.

No, he's basically correct: http://www.theesa.com/facts/gamer_data.php
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: PaperLuigi on November 29, 2007, 11:45:51 PM
Now I am really flaming but still, I am just trying to break you guys out of your narrow-mindedness. 

Yeah, well save it. Last time I checked, liking something doesn't make you narrow-minded.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Chupperson Weird on November 30, 2007, 12:19:55 AM
I stand corrected.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Corleone on November 30, 2007, 06:17:10 AM
Whatever, you are the ones that like Sunshine so much, the Mario game that almost sunk the Mario series.
First of all, I never said Smash Bros. was a Mario game; I simply said it doubled as an adventure-platformer when you said it was only fighting. Second, Sunshine did suck, but it didn't even come close to sinking the Mario series. One crappy game doesn't make people say, "You suck! You should just give up on Mario!" because the Mario series doesn't go down on one game.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: BP on November 30, 2007, 06:34:35 PM
Errrr, Volbound, what? SMSu isn't what made Nintendo lose the last round. Graphics are what made Sony and Microsoft win it. And aside from graphical quality and games, there weren't many differences between the three. To a casual gamer, the prettiness of the PS2 and Xbox, Xbox Live, etc., made the GameCube look like the worst choice. Some all-system gamers here might say it was. It's understandable that the GameCube didn't sell as well as its competition.

On the other hand, Wii offers new things and is way cheaper than the 360 or PS3, so it's understandable that Nintendo is winning this round. It's appealing to non-gamers and non gamers' mothers. That's what business is about. Having the book with the best cover. The GameCube wasn't necessarily lame, but the cover didn't say much for it. The Wii, on the other hand, has "buy me" written all over it, even without the superior graphics--the gameplay is far different from the others', and people like it.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: silverstarman on November 30, 2007, 06:49:21 PM
Actually, I'd have to say the 360 is winning, but with nintendo in close second.

1. 360 has HALO 3, so yeah, it's kinda amazing how one game can just bring a console to the top.

2. The graphics. Nintendo STILL can't get their graphic priorities straight! Most wii games look like Dreamcast ones. We are missing out on good games that could get ported over if it wasn't for the graphics. Nintendo has been behind in graphics since the Nintendo 64.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: MEGAߥTE on November 30, 2007, 06:56:43 PM
Graphics are what made Sony and Microsoft win it.
Uh, no.  GameCube had superior graphics to PS2 and was essentially even with Xbox.
2. The graphics. Nintendo STILL can't get their graphic priorities straight! Most wii games look like Dreamcast ones. We are missing out on good games that could get ported over if it wasn't for the graphics. Nintendo has been behind in graphics since the Nintendo 64.
In general Nintendo games look good.  3rd party games don't.  And Nintendo had more powerful graphics hardware in the Nintendo 64 and was near the top last gen, so I don't know what you're talking about.  It wasn't until this gen that they were way behind in graphics capability.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Corleone on November 30, 2007, 07:02:29 PM
Graphics don't count, it's gameplay. That's why the PS3 and Xbox 360 are pretty much failures. Also, Halo 3 is just Halo with new graphics.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: silverstarman on November 30, 2007, 07:12:26 PM
Uh, no.  GameCube had superior graphics to PS2 and was essentially even with Xbox.In general Nintendo games look good.  3rd party games don't.  And Nintendo had more powerful graphics hardware in the Nintendo 64 and was near the top last gen, so I don't know what you're talking about.  It wasn't until this gen that they were way behind in graphics capability.

Sure, they had more powerful hardware with the N64, but they didn't push the graphics to it's limits like the PSX and Saturn did.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: MEGAߥTE on November 30, 2007, 07:21:01 PM
Unless you're talking about all the pre-rendered stuff on PSX, Nintendo 64 still had better graphics.  And the system pretty well hit its limits if you've ever tried to play multiplayer Perfect Dark.
Sega Saturn?  Really?  Joke post?
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: silverstarman on November 30, 2007, 07:28:34 PM
Sega Saturn?  Really?  Joke post?

Look at the launch title Pnzer Drgoon, please. Saturn could do it because they had 6 proccessors at the time. There were alot of good looking saturn games, some even better than what the playstation had to offer.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: goodie on November 30, 2007, 07:55:57 PM
Graphics don't count, it's gameplay. That's why the PS3 and Xbox 360 are pretty much failures. Also, Halo 3 is just Halo with new graphics.
Yes, gameplay is important. But that's no excuse for Nintendo to chince on the graphics.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Mr.Toadsworth on November 30, 2007, 08:23:27 PM
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Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: silverstarman on November 30, 2007, 08:47:30 PM
I think the same way, brutha! But I keep hearing so many people say that graphics make up for it as well. I highly doubt that.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Presidente on November 30, 2007, 09:59:37 PM
I agree wholeheartedly that graphics come before gameplay but the problem is that the first thing you see of a game is the graphics, you don't actually get to play the game until you buy it and you're only going to buy it if:

A. You're a fan of the series

B. Willing to try something new

or

C. It makes a good impression (nice advertising or graphics).
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Chupperson Weird on December 01, 2007, 12:52:34 AM
"chintz".
Also, it's a very good reason, because bringing down the cost of the system and having games that are actually fun is what has made Wii the best selling and most sought after system this generation. So really what the heck are you talking about?
And silverstarman, have you ever seen Dreamcast games? They're not bad for a 9-year old system, but Wii most definitely has greater capabilities. As for Saturn, its ridiculous amount of processors actually made it harder to program for. As for Panzer Dragoon, while it may be the Saturn's best title graphically, it is not more advanced than N64's most graphically advanced titles, so your pronouncement is entirely incorrect. As for PSX graphics, when pushed to the limit, they still look distinctly like junk.
Where I work we had more used copies of Halo 3 sold back to us within the first week or two than any other game in recent memory. And it is seriously not "making" the 360.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Corleone on December 01, 2007, 06:38:02 AM
Yes, gameplay is important. But that's no excuse for Nintendo to chince on the graphics.
They're not. They're simply focusing on gameplay and working really hard to make the graphics rock; check out Mario Galaxy, for instance.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: silverstarman on December 01, 2007, 07:26:41 AM
Chupperson Weird: Yes, I own a Dreamcast actually. I'm not saying that every dreamcast game looks better than wii tiles. Some do, most don't, but still, the wii's graphics, not saying I hate them, don't pull off to the standards of the 360 or PS3.

And by pushing the graphics, I meant to what they were capable for, not too hard. Virtua Fighter and Clockwork Knight (two of the saturns oter launch titles) didnt look up to the standards when sega went childsplay on the graphics.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Corleone on December 01, 2007, 07:32:04 AM
Exactly, because all the PS3 and Xbox 360 work on are graphics, but they only try a little to make the games good.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: goodie on December 01, 2007, 04:52:40 PM
"chintz".
Also, it's a very good reason, because bringing down the cost of the system and having games that are actually fun is what has made Wii the best selling and most sought after system this generation. So really what the heck are you talking about?
I'm talking about the fact that the Wii is considerably weaker than the competition. Just because the games are fun, doesn't mean that it can't have good graphics as well. We should get to have both. As for bringing down the cost of the system, that doesn't matter. They could have more powerful hardware, and still sell it at the same price, and it would sell just as well; probably even better, because the people who care about graphics would be buying it as well, and not just the casual gamers that are buying it for the dumb simple games that the Wii seems to be infested with.
Also, the weaker hardware prevents the 3rd parties from porting many games over.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Corleone on December 01, 2007, 05:02:20 PM
*ahem
The graphics on the Wii are fine. They are better than the GC's, just not the PS3's. You're just too focused on the graphics instead of the awesome games that the Wii has. Do you see the 2 next-gen consoles? They are the same as their predecessors with shiny graphics. Per say, better lighting effects.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: ShadowBrain on December 01, 2007, 05:21:40 PM
The Wii graphics are okay for me, really...

What surprised me when I finally sat down and played a PlayStation (the original) just to say I did (and because I had nothing better to do) was this: Despite all I'd heard about how inferior the N64's graphics were inferior compared to those of the PS1, I found myself cycling through a library of 3-D sidescrollers that looked actually worse than most N64 games. Rayman? Crash Bandicoot? People liked this better than the 64 why?
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Vidgmchtr on December 01, 2007, 06:10:00 PM
I liked Crash Bandicoot 2: Cortex Strikes Back...
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: goodie on December 01, 2007, 06:18:51 PM
The Wii graphics are okay for me, really...

What surprised me when I finally sat down and played a PlayStation (the original) just to say I did (and because I had nothing better to do) was this: Despite all I'd heard about how inferior the N64's graphics were inferior compared to those of the PS1, I found myself cycling through a library of 3-D sidescrollers that looked actually worse than most N64 games. Rayman? Crash Bandicoot? People liked this better than the 64 why?

Yeah, I never could understood why so many people liked the PS1's extremely blocky graphics. I guess it was because it was "cool".
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: ShadowBrain on December 01, 2007, 08:48:25 PM
Also... well, I mean, I knew that SM64 was the "first full 3-D platformer/game", or whatever, but I didn't really realize the impact of something like that 'till I played the PlayStation. Seriously, like I said, there's... well... what are the "full 3-D" games on that thing, anyway?

Also, I got a rude awakening when I discovered Rayman Arena was a remake of a PS game. Who knew?
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: silverstarman on December 01, 2007, 09:17:56 PM
goodie: Because there are alot more good looking PS1 games than you think. Battle Arena Toshinden and Ridge Racer really had nice graphics for it's time, compared to Clockwork Knight and Virtua Fighter the Saturn's first two games, only released a few months before the playstation.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Chupperson Weird on December 01, 2007, 10:28:52 PM
I'm talking about the fact that the Wii is considerably weaker than the competition. Just because the games are fun, doesn't mean that it can't have good graphics as well. We should get to have both. As for bringing down the cost of the system, that doesn't matter. They could have more powerful hardware, and still sell it at the same price, and it would sell just as well; probably even better, because the people who care about graphics would be buying it as well, and not just the casual gamers that are buying it for the dumb simple games that the Wii seems to be infested with.
Also, the weaker hardware prevents the 3rd parties from porting many games over.
Man, in case you haven't noticed, so-called "hardcore" gamers are buying just as many Wiis as casual gamers. Somehow graphics got way more important in your mind than most people's as of now. Although, like MB said, 3rd parties don't know what the heck they're doing (much like with last gen) but I still think you're confusing "good" graphics with "current cutting edge" graphics, which are really completely unnecessary. Wii has very good graphics as it is. Just because they aren't as hires as the stagnant HD systems doesn't mean they aren't good. GameCube had cutting edge graphics last generation, and the inferior PS2 still outsold everything, and that's really due to all the casual gamers buying it and buying weaksauce games for it. While it's true that Nintendo "could" sell Wii at a low price even with a more advanced graphics board, it would hurt their profits even worse than the Xbox hurt Microsoft and the PS3 is hurting Sony.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Linkin800 on December 02, 2007, 08:30:50 PM
Why are we fighting about how graphics look on Wii from PS3 and 360?! Who cares!! graphics are not what makes a game good. It's the gameplay. Why do you think we still play Super Mario Bros still? Because of the gameplay.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Chupperson Weird on December 02, 2007, 08:32:12 PM
Yeah, that's just the point I was trying to get across, actually.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: volbound1700 on December 05, 2007, 04:43:24 PM
I think Wii has good graphics... but then again PS3 and Xbox 360 do have better.  However, graphic are not everything.  Most the early games are still better then the ones we have now. 
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: volbound1700 on December 05, 2007, 04:46:11 PM
In response to everyone, there are many factors that let Nintendo start losing the war with Sony and Microsoft, graphics was apart of it as well.

Main factor may have been CDs were easier to put games on then Cartridges and that led Sony to take the lead when Nintendo was making 64.  Sorry I was a jerk about the game, I was just tired of hearing my ideas flamed and especially hearing the smash brothers comparison because my idea and smash brothers are nothing a like. 
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: PaperLuigi on December 05, 2007, 05:01:45 PM
Sorry I was a jerk about the game, I was just tired of hearing my ideas flamed and especially hearing the smash brothers comparison because my idea and smash brothers are nothing a like. 

I know I might not be met with an equally calm response, but your ideas were not being flamed. The dictionary definition is below.

Flaming: is the act of sending or posting messages that are deliberately hostile and insulting, usually in the social context of a discussion board on the Internet.

I've looked at all the responses in this topic...none of them seemed deliberately hostile or insulting, other than the "idiot" comments directed at Corleone.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: ~Lavender on December 05, 2007, 06:01:05 PM
It's really pathetic to always see these Xbox/PS fans joining Nintendo related forums, just to come and start something pointless.

You guys can't just accept other people's opinions on games, I've noticed that a lot about Xbox...or PS fans whatever, even in real life. But...of course Im not speaking for all of you, but a lot of you. It's very sad, and ridiculous. I have never seen any fan of Nintendo go around and try to make a 20 day debate with Microsoft or Sony players. But, that may be from my own point of view, someone correct me If I am wrong.

Only Mic/Sony fans try to do this, and not to sound mean.. but it's stupid. I'll never forget the day I was talking to a friend about the Gamecube at school by the basketball courts, and a boy, that neither of us even knew comes up with the ball in his hand and starts ranting about how Xbox is better. After much trying, he gets angered that he couldn't persuade us and tries to get his friends or whatever to come up to us and agree with him.

The next day I walked out of my 2nd period, and was about to go to my 3rd. The same boy runs up to the door I was at, and tells me to stay. I just kept walking on, and he runs to catch up to me, opens his backpack and shows me some Boxart (Case) of an Xbox game. Then he says "Better than that Mario" When I tried to say something back he started talking over me with jibberish to avoid hearing my comeback. I'm telling you, that was just beyond pathetic. Im not going to waste my time telling any more stupid things he did though.

But yeah, that was just an example. Seriously, life is short. Why spend all this time arguing about games or consoles? What's the benefit? And if maybe you were able to convince these Mario or Nintendo lovers that Microsoft is better, it would do nothing but satisfy you. Your not winning a car or anything, so just stop doing it. I can understand politics, but debate on video games? Sure, it's not bad to do it for a little while but when it stretches out to like 10 days then you seriously have issues.

You already proved you had issues when you got mad at how everyone was disagreeing with you, they weren't even flaming. Don't sign up for a place that focuses on a topic you don't like, just to start fighting.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: MEGAߥTE on December 05, 2007, 06:40:36 PM
Only Mic/Sony fans try to do this
I'm sorry, but this is far from true.  Fanboys of all types suck.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Chupperson Weird on December 05, 2007, 07:08:56 PM
I'd like to point out to volbound that Nintendo is in no way losing.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: silverstarman on December 05, 2007, 07:43:41 PM
Nintendo isn't losing, but Microsoft is pretty much at the same height. Nintendo has good games, more games, and family oriented, but Microsoft has more "mature" games. Kids seem to find all the gore and language ammusing. Do you know how many youngins' play M rated games nowadays? I saw a 6 year old kid buy grand theft auto for the PS2!
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Linkin800 on December 05, 2007, 07:49:15 PM
Nintendo isn't losing, but Microsoft is pretty much at the same height. Nintendo has good games, more games, and family oriented, but Microsoft has more "mature" games. Kids seem to find all the gore and language ammusing. Do you know how many youngins' play M rated games nowadays? I saw a 6 year old kid buy grand theft auto for the PS2!

And all the 8 year olds that play Halo which is rated M
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Chupperson Weird on December 06, 2007, 12:19:35 AM
As far as I know it isn't legal anywhere for 6 year olds to buy M rated games. And yes, Xbox is doing alright, but in terms of sales + time, Nintendo is clearly on top.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: MEGAߥTE on December 06, 2007, 12:34:44 AM
Actually no, not only are those laws enacted at a state and local level, they always end up getting declared unconstitutional and are thrown out.  Many retailers choose to regulate their own sales to minors, though.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Linkin800 on December 06, 2007, 05:13:11 PM
Oh this reminds me. At EB Games one day I was shopping for Super Paper Mario when I saw these two 10 year olds (they looked like they were 10 or 9 or so) buying Manhunt! It was just....weird.

For thoughs who don't know what Manhunt is it's one of the most gory horror games out there. Like for instances you can chainsaw some guys arms off and so on, And that wasn't even one of the worst kills you can do in the game. I can't explain them here because it would gross out everyone and because this is a family friendly website.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Presidente on December 06, 2007, 07:46:06 PM
Family Friendly = Family Fun!
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: volbound1700 on December 07, 2007, 08:32:15 AM
Actually my whole argument was that Nintendo wasn't putting out the quality of games the last 5-6 years (at least until Wii, I have stated Wii games so far seem to be exception) as they had in the NES game.  My argument was then to show that certain elements of the classic games are what made Mario popular and how some of those elements need to be brought back.

I only mentioned Xbox and PS2 to point out that Nintendo has fallen pretty far since the NES days.  (BTW I have never owned an Xbox or PS2, owned PS1 for a couple of years but traded it in).
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Chupperson Weird on December 07, 2007, 10:35:45 AM
Perhaps they had, but now they've recovered from "falling" so what's your point? They aren't losing now, and they've been on top in the handheld market this whole time.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: volbound1700 on December 10, 2007, 09:04:42 AM
Perhaps they had, but now they've recovered from "falling" so what's your point? They aren't losing now, and they've been on top in the handheld market this whole time.

My point was to defend my ideas from your flaming... plain and simple.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Vidgmchtr on December 10, 2007, 11:19:08 AM
My point was to defend my ideas from your flaming... plain and simple.

How many times must we tell you that we aren't flaming your ideas?

Constructive criticism (In our case, saying we don't like your ideas because they don't seem creative/original/whatever) is NOT flaming.

Please stop saying people are flaming you before people DO start flaming you.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Corleone on December 10, 2007, 05:20:03 PM
My point was to defend my ideas from your flaming... plain and simple.
How can you "flame" an idea?

"Your idea is an idiot!"
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: PaperLuigi on December 10, 2007, 05:24:26 PM
The only flame that I've seen in this topic was actually made by volbound1700 himself.

Smash brothers is a fighting game idiot not a coop adventure game.

You are not the first idiot to say that but that is like saying, you want coop game go play Halo.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Corleone on December 10, 2007, 05:27:21 PM
Coincidence? Back on the topic of the next Mario game...

I think I'd like to see a game that returns SM64DS's idea of unlockable characters and incorporating them in some ways.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: volbound1700 on December 11, 2007, 03:04:12 PM
How can you "flame" an idea?

"Your idea is an idiot!"

That idea is dump, that idea is too origina, that idea stinks.  That is flaming. 
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: volbound1700 on December 11, 2007, 03:05:09 PM
The only flame that I've seen in this topic was actually made by volbound1700 himself.


you been onevery since I posted on this board attacking everything I do and disagree with every post I make. 
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Nintendoobsessed on December 11, 2007, 03:37:22 PM
I agree wholeheartedly that graphics come before gameplay but the problem is that the first thing you see of a game is the graphics, you don't actually get to play the game until you buy it and you're only going to buy it if:

A. You're a fan of the series

B. Willing to try something new

or

C. It makes a good impression (nice advertising or graphics).

Graphics come before gameplay? WTD. Okay then. Considering your logic, I'd play one of those boring PS3 racer games, and beacause it has good graphics, yet crappy game play, it's a succesful game. NO. If graphics are so importatnt, why not watch a movie. Go watch Transformers. If the graphics are good, but the gameplay is boring/unoriginal/erratic, then graphics are not more important. Inless the entire screen is blurry, and unintelligilble, then, and only then, are graphics more important. Besides, the Wii's graphics are GOOD ENOUGH. Half of the stuff that PS3 fans boast about are not even noticable. And who cares if it plays DVDs? Why, are they so cheap, they don't even have a DVD player? They wasted all thier money on a PS3?
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: silverstarman on December 11, 2007, 04:03:38 PM
PaperLuigi go

Good for him, because you've been talking like an idiot.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: CrossEyed7 on December 11, 2007, 04:27:14 PM
Getting back to the topic again, I'm very hesitant about having SM64DS-style unlockable characters. At least 70% of the fun of SM64 came from the complete freedom it offered, and for me, SM64DS completely took that away by splitting up abilities among 4 characters that have to be switched between. Even when all the levels have hats, you still can't just go around as Yoshi the whole time - what if you want to do a wall kick in the castle? Then you have to walk over to the Secret Slide room, walk through the character door, and walk back to where you were. No spontaneity.

If it was like Galaxy, where the optional unlockable character gives a different playing experience but can still do everything, I'd be all for that. Although I might want a more different playing experience if I had to get 120 stars again for each character.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: MEGAߥTE on December 11, 2007, 04:35:01 PM
Actually, that's a good point.  Galaxy still had the same problem though, where you had several levels designed around specific power-ups.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Corleone on December 11, 2007, 04:46:03 PM
Getting back to the topic again, I'm very hesitant about having SM64DS-style unlockable characters. At least 70% of the fun of SM64 came from the complete freedom it offered, and for me, SM64DS completely took that away by splitting up abilities among 4 characters that have to be switched between. Even when all the levels have hats, you still can't just go around as Yoshi the whole time - what if you want to do a wall kick in the castle? Then you have to walk over to the Secret Slide room, walk through the character door, and walk back to where you were. No spontaneity.

If it was like Galaxy, where the optional unlockable character gives a different playing experience but can still do everything, I'd be all for that. Although I might want a more different playing experience if I had to get 120 stars again for each character.
Then what's the point of unlockable characters?
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: MEGAߥTE on December 11, 2007, 04:53:04 PM
The point is to have characters who have minor differences-- different enough to make strategy slightly different, yet similar enough that you don't need a special character's abilities to get through the game (though they might make it easier).
See: Super Mario Bros. 2 JPN and USA, Super Mario Galaxy
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Corleone on December 11, 2007, 04:57:00 PM
I like the idea. I guess everyone should have their own physical traits, but the same moves.

I'd like to see the return of Luigi and (maybe) Wario, but I think there shouldn't be a required character for some missions.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: ShadowBrain on December 11, 2007, 06:54:44 PM
Graphics come before gameplay? WTD. Okay then. Considering your logic, I'd play one of those boring PS3 racer games, and beacause it has good graphics, yet crappy game play, it's a succesful game. NO. If graphics are so importatnt, why not watch a movie. Go watch Transformers. If the graphics are good, but the gameplay is boring/unoriginal/erratic, then graphics are not more important. Inless the entire screen is blurry, and unintelligilble, then, and only then, are graphics more important. Besides, the Wii's graphics are GOOD ENOUGH. Half of the stuff that PS3 fans boast about are not even noticable. And who cares if it plays DVDs? Why, are they so cheap, they don't even have a DVD player? They wasted all thier money on a PS3?
Totally. Frankly, the PS3 and Wii have just about the same amount of games worth buying, but I figure I'd rather spend $250 on crud than $500 on better-looking crud.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Vidgmchtr on December 11, 2007, 06:57:28 PM
Actually, looking at the context of the rest of Presidente's sentence, his "graphics before gameplay" looks like a typo, and that he mixed his words up.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: BP on December 11, 2007, 07:59:35 PM
Actually, that's a good point.  Galaxy still had the same problem though, where you had several levels designed around specific power-ups.
Ah, yes... we all miss the days when power-ups were there for the sole purpose of powering you up, don't we?

Calm it down, Nintendoobsessed. Presidente is right about the game's impression being more important for the buying process. That's why Nintendo lost last round. The Wii is winning this round because the gameplay is very apparent and appealing even before you play it. Last round, all the games were controlled the same way, so graphics and price were the big factors for what system one would buy.

Of course, this applies more to confused moms than kids, teenagers or college students who know what they're buying--to those who know more than the outside, graphics aren't (or at least shouldn't be) the deciding factor. Even then you have Xbox Live and things like that to put the GameCube behind... I'm not saying the GC is any better or worse than the PS2 or Xbox, having not played enough of the latter two to judge them.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Crazee on December 12, 2007, 10:47:51 AM
I think graphics matter, but I have an issue with the idea that graphic quality is in how technologically advanced a game is. SMW2 has great graphics and is beautiful today...same with Nights on the Saturn and a million other games that used great artwork and creativity as opposed to an advanced polygon rate or the like. Those are tools...you use them to make games look good, but it doesn't look good just BECAUSE. That's why so many PS1 games look ugly now, there wasn't any sense of artistic vision and the frame rates are horrible.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Chupperson Weird on December 12, 2007, 11:00:03 AM
I agree; style is infinitely more important than that nebulous thing called "graphics".
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: ShadowBrain on December 12, 2007, 06:31:53 PM
Same here. In some ways, Wind Waker's graphics are better than TP's!
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Shyguy92 on December 15, 2007, 08:46:22 PM
Ok, I got an idea. Online co-op. Then there's no (overly-despised) split screen. This game will be for people who hate split screen*****. Make some kind of mode where the player's race to the finish/star, or something. I dunno.


*****(Chupperson Wierd, other's. I still don't see what's wrong with it.)*****
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: ShadowBrain on December 15, 2007, 11:34:48 PM
^ ...You've lost me there.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Chupperson Weird on December 16, 2007, 02:29:22 AM
Well I stated my reasons for hating splitscreen and what's wrong with it.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Kimimaru on December 16, 2007, 10:05:18 AM
Maybe...Super Mario Universe!
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: PaperLuigi on December 16, 2007, 10:44:03 AM
Super Mario meets God.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: CrossEyed7 on December 16, 2007, 02:07:44 PM
Super Mario Universe would be a good name for an MMO. And a Mario MMO could be awesome in an alternate universe where Nintendo would make it.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Nintendoobsessed on December 16, 2007, 02:48:48 PM
Players could choose what species they wanted to be?
That would be intresting.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Corleone on December 16, 2007, 02:59:06 PM
SM64DS - Yoshi + Better levels + More stars = Awesome

I really don't get Yoshi as a playable character. He's pretty worthless unless you're riding him.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Shyguy92 on December 16, 2007, 03:02:46 PM
Players could choose what species they wanted to be?
That would be intresting.
Ya, maybe if Mario, Luigi, and all the major characters weren't playable? That would eliminate a lot of problems. Then you could costumize your own character.
Oh wait...
*Shyguy92 remembers Animal Crossing Wii and says, "Oh, right. Their already doing that..."*
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: The Chef on December 16, 2007, 04:58:18 PM
SM64DS - Yoshi + Better levels + More stars = Awesome

I really don't get Yoshi as a playable character. He's pretty worthless unless you're riding him.

Unless he actually has all the powers typically available to him in Yoshi's Island, thus explaining my reasoning behind a 3D Yoshi game.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Crazee on December 16, 2007, 05:05:51 PM
Actually, I still believe the graphics on the Dreamcast are the CLEAREST I've seen on a system. Something about the lighting, I'm not sure what it is.

The next game should be....Mario...Jr.?
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Linkin800 on December 16, 2007, 07:10:22 PM
Next game should be Super Luigi Sunshine! It would take place on what Luigi was doing during Super Mario Sunshine. Ive always wanted to know what he was doing during that.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: The Chef on December 16, 2007, 07:14:15 PM
What about Super Luigi 64? Paper Luigi? Luigi Kart? Luigi Party? Super Luigi Bros.?
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Linkin800 on December 16, 2007, 07:21:14 PM
What about Super Luigi 64? Paper Luigi? Luigi Kart? Luigi Party? Super Luigi Bros.?

They already show what he's doing during thoughs games. In the remake of Super Mario 64 Luigi was playable so yeah....
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: ShadowBrain on December 16, 2007, 08:02:05 PM
Luigi's adventure in the Waffle Kingdom during PM2!
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: The Chef on December 16, 2007, 09:31:31 PM
Now that would've been an ideal "Paper Luigi" game.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Boo Dudley on December 16, 2007, 09:44:40 PM
All your "partners" insulting, and turning on you.

hilarity ensues.

Edit: meh
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Linkin800 on December 16, 2007, 10:11:28 PM
Luigi's adventure in the Waffle Kingdom during PM2!

I already said that. But what ever.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: ShadowBrain on December 16, 2007, 10:48:26 PM
Well, then I guess we agree!
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Corleone on December 17, 2007, 12:21:33 PM
Paper Luigi...

I would like to know about Luigi's Waffle Kingdom adventures.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Mr.Toadsworth on December 17, 2007, 02:19:11 PM
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Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: silverstarman on December 17, 2007, 02:54:02 PM
No Way!?!
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Linkin800 on December 17, 2007, 03:08:46 PM
Let me predict the future....

Okay, in a couple of years we will get Mario party 9 and 10. For the new portable game system we might get another Mario & Luigi game. For the next console we will get another Paper Mario game and some other remakes and spin-offs. Also we will get another Mario kart game and another Smash bros.

Wait wha? So we wont be getting another Mario adventure game!?!?! That sucks!
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Mr.Toadsworth on December 17, 2007, 03:14:19 PM
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Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: CrossEyed7 on December 20, 2007, 03:10:08 AM
I'd like to see a Mario & Luigi game on the Wii. I had an idea a while ago for one kind of like SPM, more action-oriented and similar to the Donkey Kong Country games, but still with RPG elements. And with 3D graphics, but side-scrolling. But still in 3D, kind of like Viewtiful Joe. And if there's a hub world, that should probably be in 3D, because Flipside was unnecessarily complicated.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Linkin800 on December 20, 2007, 11:38:42 AM
I'd like to see a Mario & Luigi game on the Wii. I had an idea a while ago for one kind of like SPM, more action-oriented and similar to the Donkey Kong Country games, but still with RPG elements. And with 3D graphics, but side-scrolling. But still in 3D, kind of like Viewtiful Joe. And if there's a hub world, that should probably be in 3D, because Flipside was unnecessarily complicated.

New Super Mario Bros?
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: CrossEyed7 on December 26, 2007, 05:08:37 PM
Not really. The gameplay would be a little more similar to Donkey Kong Country, with Mario and Luigi as _____ Kong and ____ Kong, and it would be a little more RPGish than SPM. And it would be on Wii.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Corleone on December 26, 2007, 05:13:23 PM
New Super Mario Bros. + Paper Mario + (1/4 x Donkey Kong Country) = x

x = CrossEyed7's game suggestion?
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Kuromatsu on December 26, 2007, 09:13:53 PM
MFGG has always made some sick attempts at 3-D Mario... Here are some recent ones....

http://www.mfgg.net/?sess=9960d470e01ae6ce68ef7f6de2c2d083&act=resdb&param=02&c=2&id=13036\\

AND...

http://www.mfgg.net/?act=resdb&param=02&c=2&id=13153
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: ShadowBrain on December 27, 2007, 12:01:45 AM
Ah, yes, the Mario Fan Game Galaxy... some good, some bad--but speaking of bad, there's some pseudo-3-D Paper Mario platformer of sorts that's a real atrocity.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: CrossEyed7 on January 09, 2008, 02:08:02 PM
New Super Mario Bros. + Paper Mario + (1/4 x Donkey Kong Country) = x

x = CrossEyed7's game suggestion?

Yeah, that'd be pretty close, though I might throw in a fraction of SMRPG just to make sure it had higher HP values. I was thinking of also adding a fraction of M&L for the puzzles that use Bros. Powers, but the Paper Mario and 1/4 DKC pretty much cover that.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Linkin800 on January 09, 2008, 06:42:31 PM
MFGG has always made some sick attempts at 3-D Mario... Here are some recent ones....

http://www.mfgg.net/?sess=9960d470e01ae6ce68ef7f6de2c2d083&act=resdb&param=02&c=2&id=13036\\

AND...

http://www.mfgg.net/?act=resdb&param=02&c=2&id=13153

When I download them it wont let me open the ZIP file. How do I get the game downloaded?
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Kuromatsu on January 09, 2008, 07:01:04 PM
I don't know. I've been at the MFGG a few times and right now they are having a bit of a problem...

Consult their staff.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Mario Maniac on January 10, 2008, 03:31:11 PM
Hey guys. I haven't been here in a while and just wanted to see how everyone's been.

Anyways. How about a new Mario game that uses weather/the seasons as a central theme. You could utilize the Wii's Forcast Channel to make different levels have rain, sunshine, blizzards, etc. Think about it: A water level could be water one day, and ice the next day, depending on what the Forcast Channel says regarding the real-world weather. Or a winter level could have a blizzard one day, and melting snow the next, again depending on what the Forcast Channel says.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: ShadowBrain on January 10, 2008, 09:18:14 PM
I like it...Super Mario Meteorology, perhaps?
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: dżamper on January 11, 2008, 03:25:50 PM
Need for Kart: Underground 9999999999999999999999999

Serious, I think it will be Super Mario Something.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: dc804 on January 11, 2008, 11:10:02 PM
A good Mario game would be Bowser invading another planet and Mario has to save it. This ship carried Mario to that planet. The ship had ultimate power to destroy anything, travel anywhere, and no attack can damage the ship. But Bowser stole all the power rods that gave the ship this ability. Mario must explore the planet and retrieve them to defeat Bowser. Peach isnt getting kidnapped because its annoying on how much she gets kidnapped. The bosses are more of a challenge than the easy ones in Super Mario Galaxy, and there is seven Bowser levels. And Yoshi makes a good appearance.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: Wiiario on January 12, 2008, 12:35:40 PM
I think that the new "Super Mario [insert something here]" game should have a more fleshed-out version of the Mushroom Kingdom. Think about it, when has he explored the Mushroom Kingdom in 3D? not counting a spin-off? There're so many locations we haven't seen, not to mention we could finally see Peach's Castle from the inside on current-gen technology (The only fault in Galaxy)
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: BP on January 12, 2008, 03:03:22 PM
Paper Mario.
Title: Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?
Post by: ShadowBrain on January 12, 2008, 04:23:41 PM
There're so many locations we haven't seen, not to mention we could finally see Peach's Castle from the inside on current-gen technology (The only fault in Galaxy)
Yeah, I know, what the heck? And, besides, I've beaten the final boss and seen the ending scenes multiple times, but would anyone else care to explain why in the world you go into and come out of Peach's castle upon entering and exiting the last Bowser level, but never are actually inside?