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TMK Stuff => Game Blog => Topic started by: Super-Jesse on April 11, 2008, 12:40:33 AM
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Color-Blindness and video games are never something I thought about until I saw this article. I'm sure a lot of color-blind people play video games, but is their enjoyment any less because of their impairment? Should developers try to accommodate to these individuals? Mario titles do use a very broad palette of colors, but would it matter to you if all you could recognize was the picture on the right? Much like some games have subtitles, the writer of the below linked article believes options to enhance the gaming experience for them should be implemented.
Anyone else care to voice their opinion?
Link: arstechnica.com (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080410-color-blind-gamers-common-developer-awareness-minimal.html)
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I'm color blind, and I don't see the difference in those two pictures... which is odd, as I have no problem telling them apart in the game.
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The difference ... between what?
*after reading article*
... Oh, Mario & Luigi?
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I'm color-blind. Obviously, since I've been playing Mario so long, I can tell that Mario is dis-colored in the picture on the right. As for everything else it looks the same.
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I never thought about how color blindness affects gamers. David, Glitchy, are yours the typical red-green color blindness?
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Yeah, it kinda looks like... Mario and Luigi switched hats? I think I'm just weak at seeing red, so I'm bad at distinguishing colors that only differ in their amount of red content. Orange looks similar to medium green, yellow looks similar to bright green, purple and deep pink and blue may be a toss-up for me, and I might mistake cyan or light pink for gray. I'm not sure if I'm bad at seeing green, or if I just used to be because I couldn't figure out the red thing, but I think I've mixed up red with brown and light blue with white before.
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"You know, I miss the days when Mario had blue overalls and a red shirt..."
Don't take this as anti-colorblind, or anything. It's just the first thing that popped into my head when I saw this.
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The problem with colorblindness simulators is that everybody's color concentration is slightly different, meaning they're not a true representation of what colorblind people see.
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Time for an obscure quote!
"Look out the window, Mr. President. Tell me, what color do you see?"
"Blue."
"Maybe what I see is what you would call green. There's really no way of knowing, is there?"
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Alright, what's it from...?
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I never thought about how color blindness affects gamers. David, Glitchy, are yours the typical red-green color blindness?
No, mine is a bit more advance. But different. I can't tell similar shades from each other. (It took me awhile before I could barely tell that the background of the other one was different). So no, it's a different type of color blind, but it's affected me in some ways. For example, if anyone has played Pokemon Diamond/Pearl, they know the dance parts in the Super Contests? Well, I believe that there are two different colors on the left and right sides for buttons you need to press. I've always messed up on this because...well, both look the same. Causing me to do it from memory, which messes me up. Thats only one example of how it's affected me.
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The problem with colorblindness simulators is that everybody's color concentration is slightly different, meaning they're not a true representation of what colorblind people see.
Indeed.
Most Nintendo games are good when it comes to color issues, I've noticed... it's puzzle titles by small little companies that tend to be problematic.
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In the Mario Party mini-games Mushroom Mix-Up and Hexagon Heat, sometimes I would move to the wrong platform because the flag didn't look like the platform color I thought it was. And in Yoshi's Island, I never could tell whether I was carrying green eggs or yellow eggs. And the tan/brown Yoshi and yellow Yoshi seemed like such subtle color variations as to be almost pointless.
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Yeah, games do need options to compensate for all sorts of impairments. I don't have color-blindness. I do have ocular-motor-apraxcia{not the correct spelling, I believe}. It basically means my tracking, & my peripheral vision isn't quite up to snuff. However, over time{w/ glasses, or other optical devices}, the problem sorta corrects itself, while all during this time, the person learns to compensate. Since my problem was diagnosed when I was very young, my problem's severity has decreased, thank God! I still have to wear glasses, but during my later elementary school years, & even up to now, people say they don't notice my problem. & one of the best parts-when I was young, my parents thought that I would have to stop playing video games. While i was unwillingly prepared to accept this, my eye doctor, told my parents, & I, that playing video games was actually a help. It aided my tracking. Thank God, my problem isn't like it was years ago. About 10-15 some years later, & people don't notice my problem, w/out truly watching, & observing me.
Not to mention, about 10-15 some years ago, my particular problem{ocular motor apraxcia} wasn't such a common problem then, or at least, if it was, it wasn't well known. Since then, it's become a more common eye disorder, or it's just that it's now easier to detect. When I went to Will's Eye when I was little, they said it wasn't a common disorder.
But, yes, games need options for people with impairments. In this case, of course, an option for in-game coloring of sorts.
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And in Yoshi's Island, I never could tell whether I was carrying green eggs or yellow eggs. And the tan/brown Yoshi and yellow Yoshi seemed like such subtle color variations as to be almost pointless.
Weird, I think the same things.
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As an artist who likes to work with color, I am not colorblind. My old band instructor is, though. He thought he saw a silver beetle, but his daughter corrected him by telling him that it was pink. (Colorblindness is more common in males than it is in females)
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Pink, silver, same thing. Yeah?
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I can't tell Blue Link from Purple Link in Four Swords
This is inexcusable
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If you want color blind then Gameboy would help a lot!
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Everyone tells me I'm color-blind, but I don't believe them.
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Have you taken a colorblindness test?
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I found out about a week ago I'm ever-so-slightly colorblind in that blue and purple look exactly the same to me (I was looking at some Crayloa crayons and noticed the blue and purple ones were identical despite having their respective names printed on them). I think that this happened to me sometime recently, as I've never noticed it before. Also, no other colors seem to be affected.
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PURPLE
BLUE
How's that look?
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You can't be blue-purple colorblind only. Photoreceptors don't work that way.
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Well, now I know I'm not Blue-Purple colorblind.
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You can't be blue-purple colorblind only. Photoreceptors don't work that way.
Brown and greens should be affected. My uncle is colorblind so my aunt has to pick his clothes out.
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Well, I do have an eye problem,
but it's not color blindness.
The guys at the eye centre
say that I've got a 'Lazy Right Eye'
This means my Brain only gets a tiny signal from my
right eye and a big one from my left.
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Nice free verse.
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Apparently it's FF open mic night. By the way, that's a terrible idea and I would not attend that.
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He just doesn't realize that text wraps around when it reaches the edge of an entry box. He is also eight years old.
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Uh, something might be going right over my head or something, but where on earth are those two pics from anyway?
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New Super Mario Bros. multiplayer?
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Beta version. The actual multiplayer doesn't have any Whomps or blue ! blocks. Or look much like that at all, really.
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It was actually from the New Super Mario 64 multiplayer.
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No, it wasn't. http://themushroomkingdom.net/images/ss/nsmb/ss_nsmb_pre13.jpg
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It was a joke, I only said that because the box and enemy in the picture were both from Super Mario 64.
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Yeah I figured it had to be beta New Super Mario. I was thinking "Did I overlook some awesome co-op mode?"