Post by: Watoad on July 11, 2003, 01:27:57 PM
I'm posting because an amazing thing has happened. In its June 2003 issue (Volume 169), Nintendo Power published an article much needed by some of the members of this board. There have been several debates here over the three gaming consoles, and NP has now provided what I consider to be significant support for the Nintendo GameCube. Yet no one has posted the cool article and spread the word! I'm here to fix that, to get this excellent list of arguments on the Web so that it might start circulating to other, much more war-torn areas of the digital realm.
It is in honor of Mario Maniac, who posted about 150% of all previous console debate topics, that I have decided to put this post in General Mario chat where it doesn't belong. Enjoy and be enlightened by it!
IN DEFENSE OF NINTENDO GAMECUBE
You've probably seen the arguments raging on Internet chats and bulletin boards about which console is the best or what game is the hottest. Some misguided gamers think the Nintendo GameCube is a toy for tots. On the contrary: Players of all ages revere Nintendo games, and some of the best Mature-rated games are exclusive to GCN. At Nintendo Power, we think it's a tragedy when gamers turn away from pure gaming excellence because they're afraid of what someone might say. The next time a deluded gaming guru tells you that the GCN is lame, refer him or her to Nintendo Power's...
Top 10 Reasons GCN beats the pants off PS2 and Xbox!
10. | The handle. Okay, so it's a little goofy, but imagine trying to take an Xbox with you to a friend's house or on vacation. You would need an industrial crane and a parking permit. |
9. | It only plays games. That's right. Anyone who tells you that playing DVDs on a game console is a benefit has never had someone monopolize the machine for hours playing Meg Ryan movies while the rental game you have to return in three hours gathers dust. |
8. | It's more powerful than PS2. PS2 has slower processors and its graphics are noticeably inferior to the GCN's. Sorry—there's nothing very funny about that. |
7. | Gone platinum. The Platinum GCN is a work of art, shiny and sophisticated. PS2 and Xbox look like every other piece of electronics hardware created in the past 20 years, and dust really shows up on those black casings. |
6. | Controller design. The PS2 Controller has way too many buttons, and the Xbox Controller was designed for a giant or an octopus. Ah, but the GCN Controller is elegant and practical—and extension of the human spirit; an epiphany in plastic; the ultimate interface between mind, body and technology. |
5. | Experience. Nintendo has consistently produced the highest quality video games for more than two decades dating back to Donkey Kong. You can bet that Nintendo will continue to do so in the future. Twenty years ago, Sony was making Betamax tape machines and Microsoft hadn't even come up with Windows. What will they be doing tomorrow? |
4. | The incredible freedom of the WaveBird Controller. Your can even play from the bathroom. Let freedom ring! |
3. | Game Boy Player. More than a hundred million people have Game Boys, and we suspect that most of them own a game or two. With the Game Boy Player, all those millions of deserving gamers will be able to play their games on Nintendo GameCube as well as on their Game Boys. |
2. | Connectivity. Sony and Microsoft can't do it because they don't have Game Boy. They have robotic dogs and word processors. Let's face it, they're not really game companies. But Nintendo does only games, which is why Nintendo innovates ways to play—linking consoles, swiping cards, visiting villages filled with animals and sailing the high seas in a talking boat. |
1. | Exclusivity. The GCN offers The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker, Metroid Prime, Resident Evil Zero, Super Mario Sunshine, Eternal Darkness, Animal Crossing, Star Fox Adventures, Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles, Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes, Mario Kart, Metroid 2, Star Wars: Rogue Squadron III: Rebel Strike, Pikmin II, Resident Evil 4 and Soul Calibur II as Link. (That's 15 exclusive reasons GCN reigns supreme.) Try naming 15 exclusive hit PS2 titles. As for Xbox, you can count the number of exclusive hit titles for it on one finger. |
Edited by - Why are you highlighting? on 7/13/2003 10:49:22 PM
Post by: Lizard Dude on July 11, 2003, 01:40:24 PM
“I’m a stupid fatty and I love to play with my Easy Bake oven!â€
Post by: Lizard Dude on July 11, 2003, 01:41:16 PM
“I’m a stupid fatty and I love to play with my Easy Bake oven!â€
Post by: Sapphira on July 11, 2003, 01:44:51 PM
I'm glad someone finally posted that. I almost did, but then decided not too. (Mainly due to laziness... XD)
All I can say is... Put that in your shorts (yes, shorts) and smoke it, LOSER SYSTEMS. In the words of my brother..."You got told!" Speaking of him...I forgot to share that beautiful little list with him... He's a PS2 loyalist...sort of...he'll play GCN, but prefers PS2...
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Post by: marioguy on July 11, 2003, 01:47:09 PM
I''m the master of Mario and Pokémon!
Post by: Lizard Dude on July 11, 2003, 01:50:44 PM
*scratches head*
And didn't you just violate about 4 forum rules, O great marioguy?
“I’m a stupid fatty and I love to play with my Easy Bake oven!â€
Post by: Sapphira on July 11, 2003, 01:52:38 PM
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Deep inside us all is a little green elf telling us to burn things.
Post by: Sapphira on July 11, 2003, 01:58:22 PM
1) He banned you.
2) Watoad did nothing wrong.
3) Think of how many people LIKE Watoad and how many people DON'T like you. (Not insulting you, just pointing it out.)
4) Deezer'd probably agree that GCN's better, anyway.
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Deep inside us all is a little green elf telling us to burn things.
Post by: Lizard Dude on July 11, 2003, 02:04:45 PM
Whoops.
“I’m a stupid fatty and I love to play with my Easy Bake oven!â€
Post by: Sapphira on July 11, 2003, 02:06:33 PM
Post by: Lizard Dude on July 11, 2003, 05:55:14 PM
*guffaws like a lumberjack*
“I’m a stupid fatty and I love to play with my Easy Bake oven!â€
Post by: Sapphira on July 11, 2003, 07:16:38 PM
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Post by: Black Mage on July 11, 2003, 09:57:05 PM
Thank you, Watoad, for posting this, and stick around. ;D
I had always applauded Nintendo's ability to remain tactful, and un-insulting to the other companies, while they often received flak from the said others. However, this article really shows me something. Nintendo Power surely isn't the same magazine I used to read to find the scoop on Mega Man III, that's for sure.
"10. The handle. Okay, so it's a little goofy, but imagine trying to take an Xbox with you to a friend's house or on vacation. You would need an industrial crane and a parking permit."
Hah. Funny. Seriously though, for a company who harps so much on gaming, what does a handle have to do with making a better system? What do the looks matter? Maybe it should be 9 Reasons...
"9. It only plays games. That's right. Anyone who tells you that playing DVDs on a game console is a benefit has never had someone monopolize the machine for hours playing Meg Ryan movies while the rental game you have to return in three hours gathers dust."
While I do believe the DVD player is an un-needed accessory, I hardly believe it takes away from the system's worth. Especially for the reason they gave. The DVD function is simple an added bonus, I have no idea why people complain about such things when it doesn't hurt the gamming experience at all.
"8. It's more powerful than PS2. PS2 has slower processors and its graphics are noticeably inferior to the GCN's. Sorry—there's nothing very funny about that."
Yeah? Did you know the PSX is more powerful than a Super Nintendo?
The GameCube came out a year later, of course it will be more powerful. Besides, what do graphics matter, anyway?
And I failed to see mention of the X-Box. If I've read correctly, the GCN has an inferior processor. Of course, that isn't in there, no sir.
"7. Gone platinum. The Platinum GCN is a work of art, shiny and sophisticated. PS2 and Xbox look like every other piece of electronics hardware created in the past 20 years, and dust really shows up on those black casings."
Really now. Of all things to come up with...
Once more, what do the looks of the system matter? This is hardly a reason worthy of "beating the pants off of either system."
Please.
"6. Controller design. The PS2 Controller has way too many buttons, and the Xbox Controller was designed for a giant or an octopus. Ah, but the GCN Controller is elegant and practical—and extension of the human spirit; an epiphany in plastic; the ultimate interface between mind, body and technology."
Ah yes, the perfect GCN controller, how we love thee. Honestly know, have you ever tried to play a serious Fighter with the GCN controller? The Control Stick lacks the precision necessary to execute the moves. The D-pad, being small and placed in an awkward position doesn't offer a good solution. While, I do like it, I find it not quite as well as they've said.
To be honest, I like the PS2 controller just as much as the GCN. While I will agree, the X-Box controller is not so well designed.
"5. Experience. Nintendo has consistently produced the highest quality video games for more than two decades dating back to Donkey Kong. You can bet that Nintendo will continue to do so in the future. Twenty years ago, Sony was making Betamax tape machines and Microsoft hadn't even come up with Windows. What will they be doing tomorrow?"
I agree, experience is a good thing. However, what the other companies did in the past is not nearly as important as to what they're doing now. Both companies are doing a fine job producing a quality gaming experience. If Sony is able to rival Nintendo's strangle hold on this industry, it seems they're doing something right.
"4. The incredible freedom of the WaveBird Controller. Your can even play from the bathroom. Let freedom ring!"
While it is a perk, I see no difference from having DVD support. This pertains little to the system itself, and thus I find it irrelevant.
"3. Game Boy Player. More than a hundred million people have Game Boys, and we suspect that most of them own a game or two. With the Game Boy Player, all those millions of deserving gamers will be able to play their games on Nintendo GameCube as well as on their Game Boys."
As I said before, it is a nice perk. However, it isn't applicable to everyone. The Game Boy Player means little to those without Game Boy games. I see this more as a marketing strategy, more than anything else.
"2. Connectivity. Sony and Microsoft can't do it because they don't have Game Boy. They have robotic dogs and word processors. Let's face it, they're not really game companies. But Nintendo does only games, which is why Nintendo innovates ways to play—linking consoles, swiping cards, visiting villages filled with animals and sailing the high seas in a talking boat. "
Now, I will say, Nintendo is by far the most innovative company of the three. No argument there. However, the "Innovations" they've listed have always seemed more to me as an extra way to get you to buy more accessories. Such as these Swiping Cards. You need to buy the E-reader thing, then buy packs of cards to your satisfaction. It doesn't seem they treat their fans as well as they'd like this to sound.
What is that? It's good marketing, you say? That's true, it is good marketing. However, good marketing has little to do with the System, and so I find no place for it here.
Innovation, yes, Nintendo is good at that.
"1. Exclusivity. The GCN offers The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker, Metroid Prime, Resident Evil Zero, Super Mario Sunshine, Eternal Darkness, Animal Crossing, Star Fox Adventures, Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles, Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes, Mario Kart, Metroid 2, Star Wars: Rogue Squadron III: Rebel Strike, Pikmin II, Resident Evil 4 and Soul Calibur II as Link. (That's 15 exclusive reasons GCN reigns supreme.) Try naming 15 exclusive hit PS2 titles. As for Xbox, you can count the number of exclusive hit titles for it on one finger. "
Another fine point. However, it's funny they can call games that haven't been released yet hits. Let's see: Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles, Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes, Mario Kart, Metroid 2, Star Wars: Rogue Squadron III: Rebel Strike, Pikmin II, Resident Evil 4 and Soul Calibur II as Link.
None of those have been released yet. While they are exclusive to Nintendo, I'd hardly say that means anything.
Playstation 2 Exclusives:
Final Fantasy X
Final Fantasy X-2
Final Fantasy XII
Kingdom Hearts
Breath of Fire V
Soul Calibur II as Heiachi
.Hack//Sign Infection
.Hack//Sign Mutation
Suikoden III
Sly Cooper
Guilty Gear X
Guilty Gear X2
Xenosaga
Shinobi
Devil May Cry II
There's 16. I'd like to see those on another system. I really would.
However, Nintendo does have some exclusive games that are basically making the company, in my book. The Legend of Zelda and Super Mario franchises are, in my opinion, are what are keeping Nintendo afloat.
However, keep in mind, I prefer the GCN over any of the other systems. I've been a Nintendo fan for a long time now, but I honestly find that article a waste of time to read. Thanks, Nintendo Power.
Ah well, I'm interested in your opinions.
Post by: Chupperson Weird on July 11, 2003, 11:17:07 PM
Umm... yes, Watoad has posted in General Mario chat before, but this was the first topic he posted here.
Marioguy, don't you know that those were posted in Nintendo Power and poor Watoad didn't make them up? Now you go and apologize for being just like your old self. :-D
Edited by - Chupperson Weird on 7/11/2003 10:20:39 PM
Post by: nintendofreak on July 12, 2003, 01:10:26 AM
"I am not going on a diet!"
Post by: very_shy_guy29 on July 12, 2003, 04:41:40 PM
"I go to many oversea places, like Canada."- Britany Spears
Post by: The Big Boo on July 12, 2003, 06:36:35 PM
Basically, these are the only PS2 titles I have a remote intrest of playing:
Mega Man X7
Kingdom Hearts
Shinobi
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
As for X-Box, the only one that seems mildly appealing is Halo, but I played it at some kid's house and it really isn't that fun.
Post by: Black Mage on July 12, 2003, 09:15:33 PM
I'm all for aggressiveness. However, to push aside your morals to do it, is something I'm not for. Nintendo has always been good about it's conduct. Even if they did lose respect from some "mature" gamers, they sure could gain some from other "mature" gamers. If a person is to dislike a system because someone else said so, then they shouldn't be playing it anyways.
"Black Mage, when u first picked up a PS2 controller, didn't u find it hard to controll? Almost every system uses the standard ABXY. Wasn't the switch 2 shapes from letters (or numbers) unconfortable at first? Or the 2 L&R buttons or anlog sticks also unconfortable?"
Why, yes, I did find it quite the adjustment when it was first released. Yet, that was when it was first released. After a short time, it becomes second nature.
My point about the GCN controller was that it wasn't perfect. Yes, if you use that D-pad, you become accustomed to that as well, however, all I was saying was that it wasn't as perfect as that article had made it seem.
The PSX controller has too many buttons? Pfft. I remember thinking that when the SNES controller came out.
About the ABXY setup, I can give you another example of a change. Don't you remember when controllers only had a D-Pad? The N64 brought the Control Stick into light, and forced the D-pad to play second fiddle. You see, just because it's different, doesn't make it bad.
Edited by - Black Mage on 7/12/2003 8:17:47 PM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on July 12, 2003, 09:56:15 PM
I quite agree, but that seems to be the main reason people are playing PS2 and not GCN these days.
Post by: Wheel_kirby on July 13, 2003, 02:24:09 PM
my uncle had one pre-ordered months before they came out, so did almost every one else I know. But I dont know a single person besides me who couldnt wait for the GCN.
or the x- box realy eather. and people just dont give up sayn things like your gamecube games are stupid, can I play your playstation? or can I play your computer instead? any time I get a game for the GCN that i think is cool, I would tell one of my friends about it and they dont even care, to them its just another stupid game cube game, I am playin SSBM and they are playin some wierd base ball game that doesnt look good at all, and I watch them rise there heads up, because there playin the almighty PS2! its just somethin we gotta deal with some times. but the facts right there are very good evidence that the game cube isnt all that bad, its actualy pretty good...
but most of those PS2ers will never understand that.
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Edited by - Wheel_kirby on 7/13/2003 1:26:10 PM
Post by: very_shy_guy29 on July 13, 2003, 06:43:27 PM
"I go to many oversea places, like Canada."- Britany Spears
Post by: Wheel_kirby on July 13, 2003, 10:49:07 PM
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"Cake sniffing orphans in the orphans shack!"
"Cake sniffing orphans in the orphans shack!"
Post by: MadRhetoric on March 24, 2004, 06:50:47 PM
Post by: Hope(N Forever) on March 25, 2004, 10:05:48 AM
But who cares!!
I simply just love the GameCube, and any other product from Nintendo!!
THEY RULE!!
I am a pure Super Mario lover!!
...and in no point in the future will he ever be abandonded by me!
I will even drawn the best Super Mario comics ever to exist!!
Post by: Nameneko on April 04, 2004, 12:22:40 AM
"There are no such things as stupid questions, just stupid people."
Edited by - Nameneko on 4/4/2004 11:24:16 AM
Post by: Black Mage on April 04, 2004, 11:29:01 AM
You're attacking the Straw Man. It's well known that Nintendo has superior original characters, as well as first-party games.
However, it's also well known that the PS2 has superior third-party support. So, I'm not sure exactly what you were trying to prove. Nintendo cares more for its audience? Perhaps, but how one could look at that is relative.
I could view Nintendo's reluctance to venture into the Online console market as one of two things: that they don't want to get their customers drawn into an unestablished, contemporary market, or that they're holding out on their consumers on what promises to be "the future of gaming."
As I said, such things are just a matter of perception, and opinion. I do believe that any argument that can be created will be moot.
Post by: Forest Guy on April 04, 2004, 11:32:44 AM
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Post by: Black Mage on April 04, 2004, 11:42:34 AM
However, when someone revives a topic just to say "OMG!1! GAMCUBE IS TEH GREATEST !!1!11" it's better left unsaid.
Of course, I'm not saying that's the case with this particular topic.
Post by: Lizard Dude on April 04, 2004, 12:25:28 PM
“I’m a stupid fatty and I love to play with my Easy Bake oven.â€
Post by: Mr. Wiggles on April 04, 2004, 02:09:19 PM
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"you know what I''m doing right now? Giving you the finger."
"John,I''m poor, I''m Blind, and I run a newstand in the back of a coffee shop. God gave me the finger way before you ever did."
~ Becker & Jake in a conversation
Post by: Black Mage on April 04, 2004, 02:15:23 PM
Post by: Lizard Dude on April 04, 2004, 02:43:02 PM
“I’m a stupid fatty and I love to play with my Easy Bake oven.â€
Post by: bladeofLUIGl on May 22, 2004, 01:42:21 AM
Super Smash Bros Melee,
(I think he didd'nt say)
Metroid Prime
Mario Golf Toadstool tour.ETC. G-Cube WINS!
I have a PS2, PS1, N64, NGC, GB, GBC, GBA. I like nintendo better. They have better games. No question on that. If you name some more TM for PS2, I'll just name more for G-Cube.
Post by: Super Mario on May 22, 2004, 08:52:24 AM
Let's look at this:
I have a console adaptor and a screen in my car. The PlayStation 2 runs for an hour or so and then trips itself and resets.
The GameCube can go and go and hardly "breaks a sweat;" never once has it reset, frozen, or told me that a brand new game was "dirty."
Honestly, the GCN is more user-friendly. And while they don't have as many games being pumped out by supportive companies, the games they do make are all pretty much high-quality.
I think we've all heard the old saying, "Quality over quantity."
The colors are rather charming--stale black on black with blue or green mixed in is just really more of a turn off.
Anyone can play a GameCube game without much worry. When I was 10 my older friend rented Resident Evil, and my mother took it away and put it up on the refridgerator where I couldn't get it.
So I played my N64 instead, and things were happy and gay. (Er... I don't know if it was THAT cut and paste).
Everyone knows Mario. When I went to France, there were occasional small video game outlets dotted throughout Paris: know whose face I saw most often? Mario's. Link came in second, Samus here and there, too.
Nintendo has a considerable amount of popular mascots, who've had a good series. All my friends and even those who have graduated and gone to college all played Mario, loved StarFox 64, know who Yoshi is, hate Kirby (but know him), know Donkey Kong, and naturally, Pokemon gets a lot of attention (both positive and negative attention.)
It's all personal choice, though. What do any of us care to argue people over to Nintendo's side? Let the games and the company do the talking for themselves. I think Time will show who comes out on top, when Nintendo is working hard on games that a whole lot of people around the world are anticipating, and Sony is mass-producing a cheap, planned-obsolescence Stereo system.
For those who love to game, the GameCube and other Nintendo products are the way to go.
For the college student who wants to stay up and occasionally play games with roommates, who isn't smart enough to invest in the virtual infinite replay value of games in the Mario Party, Mario Golf, Mario Tennis, and Mario Kart series... PS2 and X-Box are more likely to be played.
I think Nintendo can argue well enough for themselves by standing on silently under attack, brushing off an ignorant gamer's insults with one hand and handing to us the Time-enduring, soul-captivating products they've always produced with the other.
The Final Fantasy series and the GTA series are all PS2 really has. And Final Fantasy, the "dream," per se, began on Nintendo.
After two days of driving around and shooting and grabbing up white packages and dealing with large Italian men... GTA gets old. That's why people rent that one, and buy Mario Kart: Double Dash!! Trust me on this, I have a lot of gaming friends (between the ages of 13 and 20).
"And for those about to game... I salute you."
Sorry if I revived a dead topic.
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"Word I was in the house alone,
Somehow must have gotten abroad:
Word I was in my life alone.
Word I had no one left but God."
Edited by - Super Mario on 5/22/2004 7:55:14 AM
Post by: Trainman on May 23, 2004, 12:18:39 AM
Yes, whoever said that the top 16 PS2 games were RPGs were right. If you take out the RPGs, then you have what, 4 or 5 games?
The PS2 controller was way too complicated. They steal the SNES controller then turn it into a computer. SIX trigger buttons? PLEASE! Who needs R1, R2, R3, L1, L2, and then L3?! Then you have two controller sticks placed at the bottom where a normal length thumb would be uncomfortable, then a poorly built D-Pad (sticks too much on all controllers) where your primary control stick should be. Then they put shapes on the buttons to cover up stealing A, B, X, and Y.
The combonations on the PS2 are too infinite as proves in Tekken Tag Tournament. Dude, a high kick to some other dumb move would be like "Circle, Circle, Down-Right, Left, Triangle, L1, R2, L1, R3, Square, L3, Right, Left, Up, Down Triangle, Triangle, Triangle, X, X, X." A strong punch would be (for real), "Down-Right, Up-Right, Circle, Triangle, Circle, Triangle, Circle, Triangle, Circle, Triangle, Circle."
Yes, the PS2 adds all the un-neccesary crap like DVD players to cover up the suckiness of the games, I believe. Hahhahaha, suckiness; I like that word.
Yeah, the PS2 wouldn't be here without Nintendo because PS2 were allies until Nintendo didn't celebrate some gay tradition, so they split up and Sony makes their own crappy system as I've stated before.
Mr. Wiggles, that was one of the funniest things I've heard at these forums for quite a while. "PS2ers are gay, but cover it up by playing GTA." HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I would agree with you and it rhymes!!!!!!! Although, hey, it's just the "HARDCORE" PS2ers that are gay.
Markio, the statement you made was equally funny and bashing: "Play-With-Yourself-Station..." HAHAHAH, I couldn't help but laugh while typing the quote!
lugifan, are you saying they need more Trainman in there games? I concur with you 100% on that. They would only put me in a game on a bike. They would notice me if I had that sponsor, too!
As Mario says: "Stay in school, don't do drugs, and eat lots of pasta. Or maybe not... just hang around that Shoryumoto guy enough, and maybe he'll work you into a few games."
(I had forgotten to copy/paste the first sentence, so I typed it, obviously. Sad how I can remember that. Or maybe not...
"If you were mad at me, but really weren''''t, what would you say; no or no?" ~Cosmo, Fairly-Odd Parents
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Post by: WarpRattler on May 23, 2004, 12:10:11 PM
("o0o") My metroid thinks you are stupid. People who
....v...v disagree with metroids often get sucked dry.<•>_<•>
Post by: Black Mage on May 23, 2004, 03:31:57 PM
"I have a console adaptor and a screen in my car. The PlayStation 2 runs for an hour or so and then trips itself and resets.
The GameCube can go and go and hardly 'breaks a sweat;' never once has it reset, frozen, or told me that a brand new game was 'dirty.'"
Drawing information from your experiences is fine, however, you must realize that it will not hold up in an argument.
I, too, have a console adapter in a vehicle, and have used both my GCN and PS2, and to be honest, I have had no trouble with either. In fact, a friend played the PS2 almost straight, during the 9 hour trip to Baltimore, last summer. I have not seen, nor heard of any trouble with the PS2 in this regard.
"Honestly, the GCN is more user-friendly."
More user friendly. I wouldn't agree with this. Mostly because the term is relative. Both systems operate in a similar manner, leaving little leeway for one to be better for electronic novices.
"And while they don't have as many games being pumped out by supportive companies, the games they do make are all pretty much high-quality."
I do agree. Nintendo has quite the reputation for its first party games, where as neither Sony or Microsoft has been successful with this. Unfortunately, that's where it ends for Nintendo. Granted, things seemed to look up a bit, with the release of the Cube, but lately I've noticed little 3rd party support. After Tales of Symphonia, or Resident Evil 4, I am unable to think of a big name game being developed that's 3rd party.
So, where Sony and Microsoft lose in 1st party games, they more than make up for it in 3rd party support.
"I think we've all heard the old saying, 'Quality over quantity.'"
Indeed we have. However, the Cube is not lacking in its share of "low-end" games, either. Of course, with more 3rd party support, there will be more of these said games, but that's what happens.
I would say that argument would be valid, if you were forced to purchase every game for the system you chose, but you aren't, so if there's a bad game, you simply don't buy it.
"The colors are rather charming--stale black on black with blue or green mixed in is just really more of a turn off."
If you're going to judge a system by it's looks, than you really have no right to make the argument concerning the extra DVD-features and etc. being a bad thing. If you're hung up on colors as opposed to the gaming experience, I don't see where having a DVD player would matter.
"Anyone can play a GameCube game without much worry. When I was 10 my older friend rented Resident Evil, and my mother took it away and put it up on the refridgerator where I couldn't get it."
Resident Evil is also available on the GameCube. I don't see the relevance of your comment.
"Nintendo has a considerable amount of popular mascots, who've had a good series. All my friends and even those who have graduated and gone to college all played Mario, loved StarFox 64, know who Yoshi is, hate Kirby (but know him), know Donkey Kong, and naturally, Pokemon gets a lot of attention (both positive and negative attention.)"
That's good for Nintendo, sure, as exposure helps sell, but I don't see how having mascots adds anything to the system's worth. Whether I'm playing a company's cash-crop game, or just another 3rd party game, I'm happy if it's fun, and enjoyable.
"It's all personal choice, though. What do any of us care to argue people over to Nintendo's side? Let the games and the company do the talking for themselves. I think Time will show who comes out on top, when Nintendo is working hard on games that a whole lot of people around the world are anticipating, and Sony is mass-producing a cheap, planned-obsolescence Stereo system."
It is personal preference, indeed. In knowing that, I find the above statement quite hypocritical, as you state we shouldn't argue about it, but then blatantly mock Sony. In doing so, you're inviting an argument.
"For those who love to game, the GameCube and other Nintendo products are the way to go.
For the college student who wants to stay up and occasionally play games with roommates, who isn't smart enough to invest in the virtual infinite replay value of games in the Mario Party, Mario Golf, Mario Tennis, and Mario Kart series... PS2 and X-Box are more likely to be played."
And with a mind-set like that, one would miss out on a slew of great games. In fact, they'd miss out on many of my personal favorites. But hey, since I don't agree with you, I guess I fall into the category of a college kid who isn't smart. I'm sure glad there are people I don't know to let me know such things. Thanks.
"The Final Fantasy series and the GTA series are all PS2 really has. And Final Fantasy, the "dream," per se, began on Nintendo."
Personal opinions aren't facts. I could just as easily say that "The Mario and Zelda series are all that Nintendo has." And yet, I'm sure many, if not all, of you would jump all over that.
"After two days of driving around and shooting and grabbing up white packages and dealing with large Italian men... GTA gets old. That's why people rent that one, and buy Mario Kart: Double Dash!! Trust me on this, I have a lot of gaming friends (between the ages of 13 and 20)."
Great! Let's form an opinion of a system based on one game!
"BM, you love to defend the other systems, eh? "
I like to defend what I believe.
"Yes, whoever said that the top 16 PS2 games were RPGs were right. If you take out the RPGs, then you have what, 4 or 5 games?"
Yeah, and if you take out all of the criminals in our world, you'd have a perfect society. So what?
"The PS2 controller was way too complicated. They steal the SNES controller then turn it into a computer. SIX trigger buttons? PLEASE! Who needs R1, R2, R3, L1, L2, and then L3?! Then you have two controller sticks placed at the bottom where a normal length thumb would be uncomfortable, then a poorly built D-Pad (sticks too much on all controllers) where your primary control stick should be. Then they put shapes on the buttons to cover up stealing A, B, X, and Y."
Complicated? The PS2 controller is an SNES controller with 2 more shoulder triggers. I'm not sure what controller you're looking at, but there are 4 buttons on the top of the controller -- R1, R2, L1, and L2. R3 and L3 are on the Analog sticks. And on that topic, the analog sticks seem perfectly placed to me. It seems to be a personal problem, if you do not find them comfortable. It would seem to me that you're looking for things to complain about. Such is the matter with the D-pad. I find it no different from any other D-pad, in terms of difficulty of use.
I find the way the D-pad and Analog sticks are placed to be fine for using both together, as well.
As for "stealing" the design of the SNES controller, "Don't fix what isn't broken", they say.
"The combonations on the PS2 are too infinite as proves in Tekken Tag Tournament. Dude, a high kick to some other dumb move would be like "Circle, Circle, Down-Right, Left, Triangle, L1, R2, L1, R3, Square, L3, Right, Left, Up, Down Triangle, Triangle, Triangle, X, X, X." A strong punch would be (for real), 'Down-Right, Up-Right, Circle, Triangle, Circle, Triangle, Circle, Triangle, Circle, Triangle, Circle.'"
Your problem is with Tekken, not with the PS2. The way moves are executed in other fighters depends on the engine. I assume you're comparing the moves to a game such as Tekken to that of Super Smash Brothers/Melee. And while SSB/M works in it's own respect, other companies like to reward those who take the time to master the timing and button combinations. If you think that is "stupid," that's fine. Don't play the games. Yet, to formulate an opinion of a system based on a particular game's engine seems infantile.
"Yes, the PS2 adds all the un-neccesary crap like DVD players to cover up the suckiness of the games, I believe. Hahhahaha, suckiness; I like that word."
That's nice that you believe that. Yet, I don't find that very convincing, either. Why not try to prove what you're saying, instead of worthlessly bashing it?
"Yeah, the PS2 wouldn't be here without Nintendo because PS2 were allies until Nintendo didn't celebrate some gay tradition, so they split up and Sony makes their own crappy system as I've stated before."
It is true that the PSX was created after a falling out between Nintendo and Sony, but who's to say that the system would never have been developed otherwise? Sony obviously had some sort of interest in the business, if they sought a deal with Nintendo in the first place.
And, I do believe it was Nintendo who ultimately decided to cancel the deal.
"Mr. Wiggles, that was one of the funniest things I've heard at these forums for quite a while. "PS2ers are gay, but cover it up by playing GTA." HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I would agree with you and it rhymes!!!!!!! Although, hey, it's just the "HARDCORE" PS2ers that are gay."
It's also quite immature.
It's nice that we can say we hold to a certain level of maturity here at The Fungi Forums.
"Markio, the statement you made was equally funny and bashing: "Play-With-Yourself-Station..." HAHAHAH, I couldn't help but laugh while typing the quote!"
See above response.
"As Mario says: 'Stay in school, don't do drugs, and eat lots of pasta. Or maybe not... just hang around that Shoryumoto guy enough, and maybe he'll work you into a few games.'"
I'm afraid anything I could say would only take away from this statement.
Edited by - Black Mage on 5/23/2004 2:34:04 PM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on May 23, 2004, 06:59:34 PM
As for you, Trainman:
So what if most of PS2's good games are RPGs? RPGs rock. I'm planning to buy a PS2 sometime in the near future mainly for the RPGs. Thank you.
It’s hard to make up your mind when you don’t have one.
Edited by - Chupperson Weird on 5/23/2004 6:22:11 PM
Post by: Trainman on May 23, 2004, 09:07:12 PM
BlackMage is a hard person to turn his opinion around... and that is another reason I like you; you're an extremely good debater. Oh, and you know how to keep your temper. As much as I blow up and get a little immature every now and then, I still very much admire you're even-temper and even-maturity level; not too high, not too low.
"If you were mad at me, but really weren''''t, what would you say; no or no?" ~Cosmo, Fairly-Odd Parents
+--Support our troops.--+
Post by: Trainman on May 23, 2004, 09:10:40 PM
Although, I recall you mentioning that you used a certain curse in the early years of the forums.......
"If you were mad at me, but really weren''''t, what would you say; no or no?" ~Cosmo, Fairly-Odd Parents
+--Support our troops.--+
Post by: Black Mage on May 23, 2004, 09:33:30 PM
The questions you have to ask seem better suited for AIM, or at the least, a different topic.
Post by: Lizard Dude on May 24, 2004, 11:14:20 AM
“I’m a stupid fatty and I love to play with my Easy Bake oven.â€
Post by: TEM on May 24, 2004, 07:19:08 PM
^_^ ._0 @_@ O~O
Post by: Super Mario on May 24, 2004, 07:20:50 PM
Now then...
"I, too, have a console adapter in a vehicle, and have used both my GCN and PS2, and to be honest, I have had no trouble with either. In fact, a friend played the PS2 almost straight, during the 9 hour trip to Baltimore, last summer. I have not seen, nor heard of any trouble with the PS2 in this regard."
That still doesn't reduce my point. Out of all my years of owning a PlayStation and a Nintendo 64, and now a PlayStation 2 and a Nintendo GameCube, the Nintendo products have worked better; the controllers last longer, the games are less likely to freeze, the connection cords remain useable even after being stepped on and bitten (both were chewed by my dog at one point). After equal amounts of good use AND bad use, the Nintendo products prove to be of higher quality. The fact that this holds true through a decade says something; but you could always dismiss it is a coincidence, I suppose.
"More user friendly. I wouldn't agree with this. Mostly because the term is relative. Both systems operate in a similar manner, leaving little leeway for one to be better for electronic novices."
I agree with it because of the above statement. I also agree with it because of simpler things, such as disc size (GCN favored), system size (I can leave my GCN unhooked on my coffee table when I'm not playing it; it's about the same size as our candy dish. The PS2 takes up about two and a half as much "area" space), controller size (the Nintendo-produced GCN controllers are very well made--easy fit to the hands, unless you have abnormally large or small hands. I've seen more complaints about the PlayStation controller style over the GCN style, which is why I mention that; both feel fine to me, now that I'm used to them), button response (the GCN's "A" button, as the main fuction in a lot of games, is a lot easier to 'navigate' than the equally proportioned X, O, Triangle, and Square buttons; the "B" button, as a common 'secondary' button, is also a secondary size; the same applies with the X, Y, and Z buttons; henceforth, this also applies to the shoulder buttons, wherein the two GCN buttons have farther to press and are therefore less likely to stick or be rammed into the controller. I had a friend who jammed my R1 button so hard it got stuck down in the controller and had to be retrieved with a screwdriver. I've applied this same radical pressure to all buttons of the GCN controllers I own (even the second-company brands) and they hold out fine. Maybe I'm not as violent as my friend, though.)
"If you're going to judge a system by it's looks, than you really have no right to make the argument concerning the extra DVD-features and etc. being a bad thing. If you're hung up on colors as opposed to the gaming experience, I don't see where having a DVD player would matter."
I never made that argument. I'm not 'hung up' on colors, either, I'm simply being meticulous in as many details as I can think of with neither system in direct view.
"Resident Evil is also available on the GameCube. I don't see the relevance of your comment."
This was more of a "Nintendo" and "Sony PlayStation" comment. It's been made a million times; people can point out many violent games in the PlayStation and now X-Box franchise that you won't find in Nintendo. Of course, many of those games may be very good games, as well. To the same degree, people can call Nintendo "kiddy," and they do. This just all depends on what you enjoy in a game overall, in the end, I guess.
"That's good for Nintendo, sure, as exposure helps sell, but I don't see how having mascots adds anything to the system's worth. Whether I'm playing a company's cash-crop game, or just another 3rd party game, I'm happy if it's fun, and enjoyable."
I have to agree with you completely there.
"It is personal preference, indeed. In knowing that, I find the above statement quite hypocritical, as you state we shouldn't argue about it, but then blatantly mock Sony. In doing so, you're inviting an argument."
I'm inviting an argument if you're argumentative, yes. Sony DOES make mass-produced and cheap stereos, though, don't they? I can go to a small town radio shack and take pictures if you really don't think so.
The point to this is that Nintendo has its whole focus on gaming. Sony may not be TOO spread out, but they are still spread in their products. I see that this might make them more experienced in technology; but, in 30 years, if things remain more or less a stalemate, when games grow to be much more complicated (I assume they will), it will take a lot of attention to get all the details down; who will fair better, a company whose sole purpose is video games, or a big conglomerate like Sony? Or Microsoft, for that matter.
"And with a mind-set like that, one would miss out on a slew of great games. In fact, they'd miss out on many of my personal favorites. But hey, since I don't agree with you, I guess I fall into the category of a college kid who isn't smart. I'm sure glad there are people I don't know to let me know such things. Thanks."
If you'd read the whole sentence, you would have seen that it says "smart enough to invest in." The games I listed get awesome reviews for multi-player action, and not just from Nintendo Power. Look up reviews on them if you disagree.
Do you know all the media news anchors, newspaper journalists, and actors in commercials? Because they let you know things you don't know, and you don't know them, to make a point of small importance.
Passive-aggressivity isn't flattering for anyone, either.
You don't miss out on a slew of great games with that mindset. There are a many, many wonderful games on PlayStation and PlayStation 2; but likely, if you're one of those people who'll only invest in that one system, because it seems to be "better" (not sure how applicable that word is), then you're probably not doing your research, or "homework," and therefore aren't the same "caliber" mindset as more devoted gamers, be this healthy or not. I know this applies to a lot of people, because I know them.
"Personal opinions aren't facts. I could just as easily say that "The Mario and Zelda series are all that Nintendo has." And yet, I'm sure many, if not all, of you would jump all over that."
It IS a fact that I never said that everything I say is going to be a fact. I'm sharing my opinion. Walk into a room of 20 gamers and ask them about Grand Theft Auto and Final Fantasy and you'll get avid responses, trust me; what else gets the opinion of the herd as much as those two? Mario and Zelda are both massive franchises, too. Not to say FF and GTA aren't, but I would say overall that Nintendo has more large franchises than PlayStation; and right now that seems to be a big focus. Name some other big PS2 franchises for me, because I honestly can't think of any; and nothing draws in support like a well-running franchise. And right now Nintendo, it seems to me, has the larger franchises.
"Great! Let's form an opinion of a system based on one game!"
Great! Let's make a sarcastic comment after missing the point!
My point was based on two "games;" the GTA series and Final Fantasy. My Nintendo generation comment "dismissed" Final Fantasy from the discussion (and I believe it is the best series PS2 has and one of the best in the whole gaming world, so I can't fault it). Thus, I am left with GTA, and of the two, minus the one, leaving me one (simple math), I therefore discuss the one game.
'Kay?
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"Word I was in the house alone,
Somehow must have gotten abroad:
Word I was in my life alone.
Word I had no one left but God."
Post by: gamemaster79 on May 25, 2004, 09:17:48 PM
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Has anyone her ever wondered why we kill each other over arguments about games? Well, I geuss it is Mario, so it''s OK!
Edited by - gamemaster79 on 5/25/2004 8:34:07 PM
Post by: gamemaster79 on May 25, 2004, 09:54:45 PM
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Has anyone her ever wondered why we kill each other over arguments about games? Well, I geuss it is Mario, so it''s OK!
Post by: Sapphira on May 26, 2004, 01:45:35 PM
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Wise men talk because they have something to say;
fools, because they have to say something.
Post by: nintendofreak on May 26, 2004, 02:31:28 PM
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Post by: Fifth on May 26, 2004, 03:53:51 PM
Go Moon!
Post by: Super Mario on May 26, 2004, 04:48:03 PM
PS2 isn't all sex, drugs, and rock n' roll. Er, violence. GCN isn't all happy cutesy characters and steel drum Reggae-esque beats.
I agree with Sapphira on replay. Also, when you buy a game, you don't have to play it constantly and beat it as fast as possible; that's why you BOUGHT it. You can use it as a doorstop every other Wednesday if you want. Of course, the X-Box works better, in my opinion.
Play it some. Play your other games. Read a book. Find a cure for cancer. I don't care. If all you do is sit and play, play, play, then of course it's going to be super easily beaten in a short time; but then again, Nintendo probably knows that; by beating it fast and jumping in on the next 'fix,' you're giving them REASON to make the games easy.
Don't sell your old games, for the love of God. That's like selling your elder children into slavery after the new baby is born. I'm dead serious.
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"Word I was in the house alone,
Somehow must have gotten abroad:
Word I was in my life alone.
Word I had no one left but God."
Post by: Chupperson Weird on May 26, 2004, 09:54:58 PM
Post by: MarlieMoo on May 26, 2004, 10:32:08 PM
Post by: MarlieMoo on May 26, 2004, 10:37:29 PM
Post by: bladeofLUIGl on May 26, 2004, 10:56:07 PM
1= Xbox
2= Playstation 2
3 Game cube
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Processor
Playstation 2 has the WORST!
G-cube has a GREAT processor
Xbox has a good processor, from what I've heard
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Trade Mark Games
Game cube has the most. No system beats trademark like gamecube
PS2 has a fair amount of trade marks
Xbox.... Terribly small amount of trademarks
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Some games on PS2 are plenty worse than gamecubes. Take RPG maker 2. It had the worst graphics. Name anything of Gamecube, or Xbox, with worse graphics than that. Also gamecube's Soul Calibur 2 is better than PS2's.
Edited by - luigifan on 5/26/2004 9:58:09 PM
Post by: Lizard Dude on May 27, 2004, 04:11:36 PM
GameCube cremulates PS2 graphics.
PS2 has the most Trade Marks because it has the biggest library.
RPG Maker 2 has graphics like that because the designers didn't assume you knew 3D art design.
“I’m a stupid fatty and I love to play with my Easy Bake oven.â€
Post by: Forest Guy on May 27, 2004, 07:25:02 PM
Luigifan, get your facts straight next time.
Nintendofreak sells all his games when a new system comes out? How dare he call himself a Nintendo "Freak!"
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What part of the chicken is the McNugget, exactly?
Post by: bladeofLUIGl on May 27, 2004, 11:04:50 PM
Post by: gamemaster79 on May 28, 2004, 11:26:55 AM
Looking at SSBM, it seems as if GameCube and Nintendo have the most trademark. I can't say much about Xbox, as I've only played it once for about 6.4 minutes. It does seem like that the only trademark Xbox does have Halo.
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Has anyone her ever wondered why we kill each other over arguments about games? Well, I geuss it is Mario, so it''s OK!
Edited by - gamemaster79 on 5/28/2004 10:31:05 AM
Post by: bladeofLUIGl on May 28, 2004, 11:44:12 AM
let me refrase that I now know "PS2 has more tm than gamecube.But gamecube has more tm than Xbox. Gamecube is more fun though."[how do you make tm really small?]
Yes though, it does seem gamecube has more tm.
Post by: Tingrio on September 16, 2004, 07:00:12 PM
The memory card is a very useful device to keep your saved game data on such a small yet so cool device. Sony and Microsoft never came up with the memory card idea. If your Game Cube memory card runs out of data space, you can get a new memory to replace your old one. Memory cards range from 59 to 1019 which is good for every gamer.
The new bongos may be too early to metion right now but you may have seen them in stores where games are sold. Thes bongos respond by taping your hand on the right or left bongos. You can even clap to make the bongos respond. Nintendo is making the bongos use their features by making two Donkey Kong games for the Game Cube by using the bongos. These bongos are very fun to use and may impress your non-gaming friends.
Those were all the things that were never said in this topic so I added these two reasons to show more reasons why the Game Cube is the best of all video game systems.
Post by: Lizard Dude on September 16, 2004, 10:10:57 PM
“I’m a stupid fatty and I love to play with my Easy Bake oven.â€
Post by: Chupperson Weird on September 16, 2004, 11:48:51 PM
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on September 18, 2004, 12:29:52 PM
Something I love about GameCube which I don't really like about the other systems are the controller buttons. They're so fun to push! That may sound dumb but I believe it. PS2 buttons are kinda flat and feel stiff, and XBX buttons are really round, and also seem a little stiff (but maybe that's just me). The L and R buttons for GC are especially fun to push.
"Kids, don''t use formula one race cars to chase hedgehogs."
Post by: Watoad on February 12, 2005, 03:29:54 AM
*walks up hesitantly*
*looks around, whistling*
*moves slowly over to bulletin board*
*tacks up posters*runs*
“Hey, lemme borrow your bike. C’mon, I’ll give you some chips.â€
Post by: Nameneko on February 12, 2005, 11:08:21 AM
Edited by - Nameneko on 3/8/2005 5:00:03 PM
Post by: Kirby (cheat wizard) on February 12, 2005, 03:39:52 PM
Post by: Deezer on February 12, 2005, 10:16:04 PM
Post by: Lizard Dude on February 12, 2005, 10:29:59 PM
“I’m a stupid fatty and I love to play with my Easy Bake oven.â€
Post by: nintendo is sorry on February 13, 2005, 08:50:45 PM
~Watoad
Edited by - Watoad on 2/13/2005 7:15:31 PM
Post by: nintendo is sorry on February 13, 2005, 09:00:29 PM
~Watoad
Edited by - Watoad on 2/13/2005 7:15:55 PM
Post by: Nameneko on February 13, 2005, 09:17:50 PM
Post by: Luigison on February 13, 2005, 09:31:32 PM
*looks around nerviously and sees no one else still standing
That was quick Watoad. Good job. This guy reminds me of marioguy.
Edited by - Luigison on 2/13/2005 7:40:21 PM
Post by: Vidgmchtr on February 13, 2005, 09:58:20 PM
(Why don't I see you on iChat anymore, dude? We really should catch up.)
Post by: Master Mario on February 13, 2005, 10:01:32 PM
Blam this peice of garbage! .....Oops. Wrong site....
Post by: VorceBlade on February 14, 2005, 11:41:17 AM
Many people are all like "Halo is the best game" and "GC is too kiddie" Halo is an FPS, you might as well play yoshi safari. It used a super scope. The graphics on many games are made slightly less vibrant so a younger age groups can play. I mean, if mario games were as vivid as GTA, would it still be kiddy?
Post by: Vidgmchtr on February 14, 2005, 01:25:06 PM
It's all Gameplay. Music plays a good role in there too, but...
Really, just because a game looks really great graphics-wise doesn't mean it's gonna be fun.
Post by: Luigi #98 on February 14, 2005, 02:29:14 PM
One of the best games forgamecube I'd have to say would be:
Mario party games
Mario sunshine
supersmashbros melee
F-zero GX
Wario land
Luigi's mansion
there's probably more but I can't think of them right off hand.
Ps2 games:
Ratchet & clank ain't too shabby
K.D.H.
DBZ Buodokia 2
Same with the game cube
So the point here is Mario's just awsome. Ps2 has great games that don't need Mario.
I'm not sure which one's better. It would be nice though if Mario was on more consoles then just nintendo.
Post by: nintendo is sorry on February 14, 2005, 05:32:21 PM
Post by: Nameneko on February 14, 2005, 05:45:03 PM
Post by: Black Mage on February 14, 2005, 08:26:33 PM
I understand it's all in good fun, but rather unnecessary.
I'm not X-box fan, but I can see where there are some who would take as much offense as you might have from "nintendo is sorry"'s post from your own.
Though I've never cared much for the topic of this thread, to see it rear its head again, especially in the way it has-- I'm a little disappointed, to be honest.
Each system has its perks, and it's simply a matter of personal preference. Pick the right one for you, and let others do the same. I don't understand what the big deal is, nor why there needs to be a "better" system.
Edited by - Black Mage on 2/14/2005 6:28:52 PM
Post by: VorceBlade on February 14, 2005, 10:09:45 PM
Post by: Watoad on February 14, 2005, 11:49:15 PM
As one who hasn't played video games for what feels like a couple of years now, I frankly don't care which system people prefer. Since this is a Mario message board, the support is (or certainly should be) automatically tilted toward Nintendo, but it doesn't really matter. My creation of this topic stemmed from caring about the debate to some degree, but that was not everything. Please feel free to read the opening post again if you need a refresher.
In any case, although I do truly care about other people, I will not carefully avoid any word or image that might potentially "offend" somebody. That, to me, is a ridiculous way to live. For example, I will continue to wish people a "Merry Christmas" in December even though some of them believe that only "Happy Holidays" is safe and inoffensive. Or if you want to tell me in a respectable manner what you think of Apple Computer's trashy products, which I strongly support, then please go ahead.
What I cannot stand is blatant flaming, which is very difficult not to be offended by. It is outright rude, and for the morally incompetent, it is in violation of one of the forums' mere four rules. Unless you didn't read my edits of nintendo is sorry's posts, you know that violation is why I edited them. What he said served first and foremost the base purpose of inciting anger and dissension among the other members here. It is this type of behavior for which such members as marioguy and jon were banned. If you cannot see the difference between this and what I have posted, then I do apologize. I can say nothing to help you.
“Hey, lemme borrow your bike. C’mon, I’ll give you some chips.â€
Post by: smfan1085 on February 16, 2005, 09:37:16 PM
Edited by - smfan1085 on 2/18/2005 6:21:50 PM
Post by: Watoad on February 16, 2005, 10:01:49 PM
“Hey, lemme borrow your bike. C’mon, I’ll give you some chips.â€
Post by: smfan1085 on February 17, 2005, 10:07:24 PM
Post by: Watoad on February 17, 2005, 11:52:11 PM
Why "e3"??
Post by: smfan1085 on February 18, 2005, 08:20:15 PM
Post by: Watoad on February 19, 2005, 05:38:10 PM
Your edit is much better than what you had there originally.
Why "e3"??
Post by: Suffix on February 19, 2005, 08:02:00 PM
EDIT: I stand corrected. I meant Cheese-county (Tillamook).
Edited by - Suffix on 2/19/2005 6:07:57 PM
Post by: Vidgmchtr on February 19, 2005, 08:45:02 PM
Post by: Trainman on February 20, 2005, 08:25:09 PM
Let's get physical let s lets letest letsl ets.. what ama i talking about aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah WATOAD IS AAAAAAAH-ly COOL
"Yesterday... when I`m smaller... I wanna fight that Mario the day before yesterday."
Post by: NintendoExpert89 on February 20, 2005, 09:14:40 PM
Also, the GC loads the features in the games on call (mostly GC-exclusive ones), so waiting time is reduced. In the PS2, all features within an area of the game are loaded at once, extending waiting time. I watched one of my other friends play Grand Theft Auto on his PS2, and I recall that it seemed that I was waiting for 5 minutes for the game to load. Information from the GC discs is constantly being read on call so that waiting time is reduced. The GC functions in a way to keep the players interested, instead of the constant "LOADING..." screens present in PS games.
''I am feeling fat, and sassy!''
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on February 20, 2005, 09:39:17 PM
All fanboys of slow-loading systems and computers please ignore the previous paragraph. Anyway, how come no one has mentioned that the XBoX controllers come in different sizes and different arranements of buttons? I think that's a little neat. (but then again maybe that could be a bad thing). All systems have their own good and bad so there's no reason to just love one. Unless it has Mario of course and then I can't blame you.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts. For all we know every single person in the world could be wrong. But that’s just my opinion.
Edited by - Yoshisaurus Rex on 2/20/2005 7:40:49 PM
Post by: Tingrio on February 24, 2005, 04:43:02 PM
What company in Japan makes games for the system called Game Cube?
The person said the correct awnser which is Nintendo of course, but I didn't hear the person say the first three letters of it.
Nintendo rules all the way and that is the truth.
Post by: SuperSonic_Yoshi on March 06, 2005, 11:25:57 AM
Me:Nintendo rocks
Xboxfan:but Xbox has Halo.
Me: Nintendo has Mario
Xbox:but Xbox has Halo.
Me: Nintendo is the reason gaming lived this long
Xboxfan:but Xbox has Halo...
You see where I am going with this? If Xbox and PS2 had lists they may look like this:
PS2:
1)DVD
2)DVD
3)DVD
4)DVD
5)DVD
6)DvD
7)OMG Profanity, violence, drugs!
8)GTA
9)GC is crap
10)OMG lik wei s best.
Xbox
1)Halo
2)Halo
3)Halo
4)Halo
5)Halo
6)Halo 2
7)Halo 2
8)Halo 2
9)Halo 2
10)OMG hAlo 3 may!
I also think that the one problem Nintendo has is Marketing. I first Saw a Super Mario
64 DS commercial in Febuary and I have yet to see a Prime 2 one. As for the User friendly argument Nintendo is more, at least more than the PS2(never used an Xbox).
GC turn on: Plug in, press power button
GC turn off: press power
PS2on: Plug in, flip switch, press button.
PS2off(new one btw): hold power for 2 sec,
unplug.
'nuff said.
Post by: Chupperson Weird on March 06, 2005, 10:18:31 PM
Also: They were running Metroid Prime 2 commercials out the wazoo for a long time.
"Don’t look into car headlights and freeze, because you might get run over or shot."
Post by: SuperSonic_Yoshi on March 08, 2005, 04:41:27 PM
Edited by - SuperSonic_Yoshi on 3/8/2005 2:57:36 PM
Post by: Watoad on March 08, 2005, 05:57:46 PM
For no particular reason I decided today to go back and read some of the earlier posts, and I was surprised. There was quite a bit of debating going on, and you were involved in it more than anyone else. So I understand now that this thread and the posts within it are important to you. I should have educated myself about this prior to launching my second post so that I could have better respected you in doing so (by not doing so in the first place).
Whether or not you'll accept it, I apologize for digging up this thread. It has been the most "successful" of all the console debate threads on this message board, but perhaps it should not have been. Its future popularity (or infamy) certainly wasn't on my mind when I originally posted it.
"He is not a fool who gives up what he cannot keep for the sake of what he can never lose."
Post by: HolyAarom on April 17, 2005, 06:09:04 AM
Post by: Luigison on April 17, 2005, 08:06:17 AM
Post by: Watoad on April 17, 2005, 11:15:05 AM
"He is not a fool who gives up what he cannot keep for the sake of what he can never lose."
Post by: Ambulance Y on April 20, 2005, 07:50:56 PM
y0 DaWWGS, Ps2 iz in Da HIZzz-OUSE! S0o is Xboxx, cuzz of HaLLLo and Hall0 2! cUzZ you gget 2 sh0ot peeps, hommiieee. mE & me possE R like in2 the SoNNy & MiCROSovT cownsles.
No. I didn't think so. Plus the control on PS2 and XBox is not bad. I get along on those controllers much better than the GCN controllers. Maybe the reason some of you guys think that the GCN control is better is because you are much more used to it! Think about it! Plus the XBox has great controller set up for shooters. Shooters are awesome. So is the PS2, yo. It's not like GCN fanboys post replies like this:
Top 10 Reasons the GCN is a Much More Suitible Counsle:
1.) I Inquire that the control is macnificently unique for us in the fields of literature.
2.) The gaming style fits those whose IQ's are above the range of the simpleton XBox and PS2 nincompoops.
3.) I also inquire that Mario and his chums are a delightfull bunch that always are on the ball!
4.) Would you like some tea?
etc., etc., etc.
You guys think you're that smart and that us PS2 and XBox fans are just scum on the bottom of your shoes. Maybe you should get to know us. Plus video games are just a simulation of life. I'd much rather enjoy a really nice day outside rather than sitting inside in front of the idiot box. Thank you very much, dawgs.
"You can milk anything with nipples."~Gaylord Focker
Edited by - ledzeppelinrocks on 4/20/2005 6:59:26 PM
Post by: Watoad on April 20, 2005, 07:58:36 PM
"He is not a fool who gives up what he cannot keep for the sake of what he can never lose."
Edited by - WaToaD on 4/20/2005 6:59:18 PM
Post by: Ambulance Y on April 20, 2005, 08:00:15 PM
"You can milk anything with nipples."~Gaylord Focker
Post by: Luigison on April 20, 2005, 08:46:57 PM
I thought the 10 reasons Watoad posted from NP were funny, but not very well put.
Post by: Latias Dita on April 21, 2005, 08:47:49 PM
~Um, yeah, I agree with Watoad on this one; I find your sig very offensive. Could you please change it? Thanks. ~Sapph
Edited by - Sapphira on 4/22/2005 2:22:45 PM
Post by: gamemaster79 on April 21, 2005, 09:25:40 PM
All in all, everybody just has a PREFERENCE! I know that may seem shocking, but some people might like the PS2 more than the X-Box, or the X-Box more than the GCN or the GCN more than the PS2!! It's all a matter of what you enjoy the most. I don't care about peoples' preferences, the only thing that really angers me are biased people and strict fanboys who won't except the facts. Special features seem to do little for a console. Who cares if a gaming console can play DVD's? You can buy a DVD player for 40 dollars or less! It's all about the games.
When you've owned a system for so long, you may tend to overlook the others and just talk about them negativelly instead of using positive notes.
Going back to my original point, I have preferences. I prefer the GCN over the PS2 and the PS2 over X-Box. It's just the what I like! I don't HATE the other consoles, despite the fact that some people may think that when I say I like PS2 more than X-Box.
One last point... I have emphasized this one little thing SOOOOOOOO many times in my life. The one thing that kills me more than anything is when people judge games (and consoles) by their ESRB rating. I hate it when biased fanboys look at the case of a game, notice the "E" on the front and instantly think that the game sucks, just because it doesn't have profanity, blood and strippers. RATING DOES NOT MAKE A GOOD/BAD GAME!
I rest my case.
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Post by: Suffix on April 21, 2005, 09:36:52 PM
Post by: Watoad on April 21, 2005, 11:21:01 PM
Someone please e-mail me when Latias Dita has changed her sig. Until then, goodbye.
"He is not a fool who gives up what he cannot keep for the sake of what he can never lose."
Post by: Latias Dita on April 22, 2005, 04:31:23 PM
Random Anime Quote:
"Dita... let''s go!"--Hibiki Tokai. Vandread Second Stage episode 13.
Post by: Watoad on April 22, 2005, 09:19:43 PM
"He is not a fool who gives up what he cannot keep for the sake of what he can never lose."
Post by: Markio on April 22, 2005, 09:38:12 PM
*throws cheery little party*
“You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view.†-Atticus Finch
Post by: Watoad on April 22, 2005, 09:46:38 PM
"He is not a fool who gives up what he cannot keep for the sake of what he can never lose."
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on April 22, 2005, 10:20:25 PM
I look forward to seeing the XB2 and PS3 fighting each other next month, and then later seeing Revolution rise out of the shadows and blowing them both to smizereens! </day dream> Well, at least making a nice impression at least. I just can't wait to see what it's like.
"Do you got a mullet goin’ on?"
Edited by - Yoshisaurus Rex on 4/22/2005 9:21:11 PM
Post by: Lizard Dude on April 22, 2005, 11:20:39 PM
“Using the Semicolon can sometimes be a tricky proposition from a syntactical perspective!â€
Post by: BP on April 23, 2005, 12:39:53 AM
Got Bird? <(^v^)>
Post by: Ultima Shadow on April 23, 2005, 01:10:14 AM
Edited by - No-One on Whichever day that happens to be convenient for me at Whatever time I feel like it.
Post by: HolyAarom on April 23, 2005, 05:49:58 AM
Post by: gamemaster79 on April 23, 2005, 09:50:54 AM
Also, Square Soft (now called Square Enix) never left Nintendo "fully", they still make games for GBA (Final Fantasy Tactics Advance), but yes, they do mostly focus on the Final Fantasy games for Sony.
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Post by: Black Mage on April 23, 2005, 10:22:04 AM
In fact, there was no Square game on a Nintendo platform between May 23, 1996 with the release of Treasure Hunter G for the SNES (Only in Japan), until February 14th, 2003 with Final Fantasy Tactics Advance on the GBA. So, for the span of almost seven years, Squaresoft and Nintendo had nothing to do with each other.
However, this discussion is rather offtopic. I don't mean to play moderator here, as it's certainly not my job, but it is a shame to see this thread decline even more than it had since it was revived.
Post by: Watoad on April 23, 2005, 02:50:03 PM
But, alas, this topic of mine has been a bit of a . . . downer? Well, even if it doesn't get me down, down is the direction it seems to like to go. Downward decline to destruction, perhaps.
"He is not a fool who gives up what he cannot keep for the sake of what he can never lose."
Post by: Suffix on April 23, 2005, 03:02:02 PM
Post by: Watoad on April 23, 2005, 03:26:12 PM
"He is not a fool who gives up what he cannot keep for the sake of what he can never lose."
Post by: Watoad on April 26, 2005, 03:23:30 PM
http://xboxportable.ytmnd.com/
"He is not a fool who gives up what he cannot keep for the sake of what he can never lose."
Post by: Vidgmchtr on April 30, 2005, 04:25:53 PM
Post by: smfan1085 on April 30, 2005, 10:53:30 PM
Actually, one important reason for my dislike of the Xbox and PS2 is that some of the most popular and publicized games on those systems have bad or obnoxious stuff in them. Thus I have come to view those systems as more connected with the "dark side" of gaming than the GCN is. This is probably a big generalization (the GCN has "M" games too), but so many Xbox/PS2 fans say those systems are better because of "mature content" that I have trouble seeing the matter any other way.
Post by: Latias Dita on May 01, 2005, 10:40:27 AM
This is how I see it: i play what I want and play what I don't want. I dont' want to play M rated games and everay game I want to play is on the Gamecube (or GBA or DS). That's what I play and that's why I don't play PS2 or Xbox.
Random Anime Quote:
"I have split ends?"--Zelgadis. Slayer Next episode 6.
Post by: A Link to the Past on May 01, 2005, 01:27:08 PM
List of great PS2 games:
#1. Disgaea: Hour of Darkness
#2. La Pucelle: Tactics
#3. Phantom Brave
#4. Final Fantasy X
#5. Final Fantasy X-2
#6. Final Fantasy XI
#7. Katamari Damacy
#8. Ape Escape 2
#9. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
#10. Devil May Cry
#11. Devil May Cry 3
#12. Gran Turismo 3
#13. Gran Turismo 4
#14. Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
#15. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
#16. Soul Calibur II (With Heihachi ZOMG)
#17. Jak & Daxter: The Precursor Legacy
#18. Jak II
#19. Jak III
#20. Ratchet & Clank
#21. Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando
#22. Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal
#23. God of War
#24. ICO
#25. Dark Cloud 2
#26. Twisted Metal: Black
#27. Sly Cooper and the Thievius Raccoonus
#28. Sly 2: Band of Thieves
#29. Kingdom Hearts
#30. Onimusha 2: Samurai's Destiny
#31. Onimusha 3: Demon Siege
#32. Xenosaga Episode I: Der Wille zur Macht
#33. Frequency
#34. Maximo: Ghosts to Glory
#35. Maximo VS. the Army of Zin
#36. Gradius V
#37. Rygar: The Legendary Adventure
#38. Escape from Monkey Island
#39. Gitaroo-Man
#40. Rez
#41. Klonoa 2
#42. The Adventures of Cookie & Cream
#43. Suikoden III
#44. The Mark of Kri
#45. Virtua Fighter 4
#46. Virtua Fighter 4: Evolution
#47. Amplitude
#48. Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne
#49. Ace Combat 5: Unsung War
#50. Star Ocean: Till the End of Time
#51. Dynasty Warriors 4
#52. Dynasty Warriors 5
GameCube:
#1. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
#2. Pikmin
#3. Pikmin 2
#4. The Legend of Zelda: Four Sword Adventures
#5. Super Mario Sunshine
#6. Mario Party 4
#7. Mario Party 5
#8. Kirby's Air Ride
#9. Super Smash Bros. Melee
#10. Star Wars Rogue Leader: Rogue Squadron II
#11. Super Monkey Ball
#12. Metroid Prime
#13. Resident Evil
#14. Resident Evil 0
#15. Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem
#16. Animal Crossing
#17. Super Monkey Ball 2
#18. Star Fox Adventures
#19. Bomberman Generation
#20. Beach Spikers
#21. Sonic Adventure 2: Battle
#22. Soul Calibur II
#23. F-Zero GX
#24. Mario Kart: Double Dash!!
#25. Skies of Arcadia Legends
#26. Ikaruga
#27. Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour
#28. Pac-Man Vs.
#29. Billy Hatcher and the Giant Egg
#30. Wario World
#31. Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
#32. Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
#33. Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes
#34. Mario Power Tennis
#35. Harvest Moon: A Wonderful Life
#36. WarioWare Inc.: Mega Micro Game$
#37. Donkey Konga
#38. Pokemon Colosseum
#39. Phantasy Star Online Episode III: C.A.R.D. Revolution
#40. Mario Party 6
#41. Donkey Kong Jungle Beat
These are all my personal opinion, of course.
And I'm too lazy to do XBox. Well, whatever - there's your 'more than 15' PS2 hits.
Post by: Latias Dita on May 01, 2005, 03:42:15 PM
Random Anime Quote:
"I have split ends?"--Zelgadis. Slayer Next episode 6.
Post by: A Link to the Past on May 01, 2005, 05:29:59 PM
Post by: Lizard Dude on May 01, 2005, 07:42:16 PM
“Using the Semicolon can sometimes be a tricky proposition from a syntactical perspective!â€
Post by: A Link to the Past on May 01, 2005, 10:33:59 PM
Post by: Latias Dita on May 02, 2005, 04:03:17 PM
Random Anime Quote:
"I have split ends?"--Zelgadis. Slayer Next episode 6.
Post by: A Link to the Past on May 03, 2005, 06:27:59 AM
Post by: Markio on May 03, 2005, 04:24:35 PM
If your day is bad, a nice comment at night can change everything.
Edited by - Markio on 5/3/2005 3:31:01 PM
Post by: smfan1085 on May 03, 2005, 08:48:39 PM
EDIT: Latias Dita, I said that SSBM is not an offensive game, but I don't think you thought I said it was, anyway. I just didn't quite understand the wording in your post (no offense meant here), and I wanted to make sure you understood me.
Edited by - smfan1085 on 5/3/2005 7:53:15 PM
Post by: Latias Dita on May 06, 2005, 05:20:31 PM
Random Anime Quote:
"I have split ends?"--Zelgadis. Slayer Next episode 6.
Post by: smfan1085 on May 08, 2005, 09:18:21 PM