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Video Games => Mario Chat => Topic started by: coconut on July 14, 2007, 02:04:38 PM
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this has always been wy favorite game since i was Born. It would be cool if they made a super mario bros 3:part 2
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It's called Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3 e-Reader levels.
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I wouldn't call it a Part 2, though. It's just a few new extra levels from the E-reader cards.
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It's called Super Mario World.
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It's called Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3 e-Reader levels.
It's called Super Mario World.
I'm so confused :S
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They changed Mario Galaxy's name to Super Mario Bros 4.
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Uh...they are? :/
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No, they aren't.
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Thought so.
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It's called Super Mario they-haven't-used-the-numbering-system-in-over-a-decade! (save for the Mario Advance series)
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Super Mario World is Super Mario Bros. 4.
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I remember around the time of NSMB's release that some called it Super Mario Bros. 5. I'm pretty sure I did.
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It's called..... Super Mario......let's just call all Mario games by the same name to save some folks confusion. :)
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Trainman said something! Wow.
To add to the conversation, I'm not sure what is actually going on, but it would be interestingo see Nintendo come out with an official number for a new game, no matter how unlikely that is, I wonder if Nintendo would agree with the Numbers "unofficially" given to SMW and NSMB.
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Trainman said something! Wow.
To add to the conversation, I'm not sure what is actually going on, but it would be interestingo see Nintendo come out with an official number for a new game, no matter how unlikely that is, I wonder if Nintendo would agree with the Numbers "unofficially" given to SMW and NSMB.
I used to care about numbering them, but now, as long as Nintendo or Miyamoto doesn't care numbers we claim them, I don't see why I should even bother trying to put numbers on them. There was this discussion (on the #tmk) on the games that were set in the Mario main series line once, and it was totally a waste of time and ended in me just not caring about that type of stuff anymore.
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according to wikipedia, super mario world is called super mario bros. 4
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Thanks for actually reading the entire thread. That was mentioned already.
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Thanks for that. I could totally tell people now, Vidgmchtr saved me from being unobservant and redundant. I owe you my life, what is your bidding, oh gracious master. Rub your feet?
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Yeah, Koop, SMW was actually officially called SMB4 as well.
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I'm so confused :S
Well since nodyarG had to be all serious regarding my e-Reader assertion, I went back to a more "true" sequel. Super Mario World development started off with the power-ups from SMB3 and were only changed later. It has a lot of the same elements (e.g. Koopalings) and thus is the closest thing to an SMB3 part 2.
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And once again, my video game knowledge is as insignificant as a small spec of sand upon a vast beach.
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Yeah haha, I've been bogged down a ton lately, so my posts have dropped. Eh, I can see why they stopped numbering... I mean, ugh, I can't put it into words....
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I would love to see an epic remake similar to SMB3. SMW was a decent following, but not as big and I could tell more time was put into SMB3 then any other mario game (except maybe Mario 64).
I would also love to see Wario and Waluigi finally appear in an adventure game as villians.
My idea was to have a major 3D game made with worlds and make it Bowsers last great epic attack.
Bring back the 7 children from SMB3 + Bowser Jr
Bring in Wart
Have DK Jungle as a world in it with King K Rool as boss and a battle with DK
Make it 4 player that allows you to choose playable characters starting with Mario, Luigi, Yoshi, and Toad and then later unlock DK, Diddy Kong, and Kirby.
Finally I think since Kirby is sinking as a major game (not been Kirby game in forever) make a level called the Dreamland that you will go to after traveling through a space level from SMG (Have some world from Galaxy).
Order of Worlds with bosses
1. Mushroom Kingdom - Wario and Waluigi
2. Desert World - Tryclyde
3. Ocean World - Wendy, Lemmy, Larry Koopa
4. DK Jungle - King K Rool
5. Sky World - Wart
6. Dreamland - King DeDeDe
7. Hill Top World - New Enemy (I want someone not seen yet) or possibly the MagiKoopa from SMW 2: Yoshi (can't remember his name)
8. Pipe Maze - Roy, Morton, Iggy, Ludwig von Koopa
9. Bowserland - 8 Koopa Kids united; then a final battle with Bowser
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Hey, that's really well-thought out and extremely original! Seriously--no one ever comes up with the idea to cram every Mario character ever as well as Kirby and characters from Kirby games into one game, making for an unnecessarily large amount of playable characters! You should be Miyamoto's successor, because you definitely know how to handle the job of supervisor for Mario games.
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Wouldn't Wario appear as a hero? From what I've seen lately, he's gone over to the good side.
Finally I think since Kirby is sinking as a major game (not been Kirby game in forever) make a level called the Dreamland that you will go to after traveling through a space level from SMG (Have some world from Galaxy).
Aren't they working on a new Kirby title for the Wii?
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Yes. It was originally supposed to be for the GameCube.
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Hey, that's really well-thought out and extremely original! Seriously--no one ever comes up with the idea to cram every Mario character ever as well as Kirby and characters from Kirby games into one game, making for an unnecessarily large amount of playable characters! You should be Miyamoto's successor, because you definitely know how to handle the job of supervisor for Mario games.
I think my sarcasm detector just exploded..
EDIT: Whoops! My CAPS LOCK button was accidentally pressed.. XD
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People on this board are ********s... the ESPN College Football board received my idea well and thought it would be awsome...
A lot better then Luigi Mansion or Dumbshine... those games ruined the Mario world.
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Sorry, we're just tired of hearing ideas for Mario games. We know that the people at Nintendo will always have better ideas than their fans. Most of the time.
(I also enjoyed Luigi's Mansion and Super Mario Sunshine quite a bit. Not everyone shares your opinions.)
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Yeah, Vidgy, you're a total asterisk. Eight of them, even. Show some respect.
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I actually don't like SMB3 that much.It was a good game none the less but it didn't appeal to me as much as the other Mario games.
And on the subject of having a sequel to SMB3, SMW is the next game in the series so really it is the sequel. Heck, even in Japan it was called Super Mario Bros 4: Super Mario World. So there SMW was just the subtitle. So really NSMB would be SMB5. Speaking of SMW, Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island was what Yoshi's Island was called on Super Nintendo so it was like Megaman, they were sorta making more than one series run at a time.
But like we all know, Yoshi's Island was rather a spin-off than an actually Mario game so SMB5 wouldn't work there. For those who were wondering about it being like Megaman with more than one series at a time, Megaman 6 came out and then there was Megaman X and then Megaman 7 and 8 and X 2 and 3. SMW was not only SMW but SMB4. SMB4=SMW. Then SMW2: Yoshi's Island.
Man that was a long and probably confusing post.
And Volbound1700, it's not that it's a bad idea (which I must say, it's not that great), it's just that there are so many ideas for Mario games and people think they're just annoying to hear them with crossovers like Sonic and Mario and Jazz JackRabbit and every freaking video game character in existence. Unfortunate to say Kirby isn't really a Nintendo character anyway (despite him being in SBB, he is the original 3rd party SSB character). He is owned by HAL and HAL could put him on any system, any time. Correct me if I'm wrong but HAL is not owned but Nintendo so yeah.
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Yoshi's Island is not a spin-off. Mario Party is a spin-off. Mario Paint is a spin-off. Mario's Picross is a spin-off. You get it?
HAL is totally owned by Nintendo. Or perhaps they're technically not. They do not produce games for anybody but Nintendo.
Mr. Bound, your idea is just not original, is all. Any kid could come up with, "Let's put Mario and every character that's ever been playable alongside him and a few characters from other games in a game, put them through some generic worlds at the ends of which bosses we've seen before (except one world which would have a new boss I can't imagine right now), and have thirty boss battles just before the final boss. It'd be great because it'd bring back villains from old games that had only one role like Wart and Tatanga." Don't go yelling at me and calling me an asterisk--it's only constructive criticism. It's also only the Internet.
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I dunno, Kirby characters in a Mario game just doesn't work. It's one of those ideas that make me shiver and think that this idea could only possibly come from a fan. Which it did.
The reason Luigi's Mansion and Mario Sunshine did so well was because they took some planning and time to create; it doesn't take an average Joe to say "Let's create a Mario title with every character that was ever known to man and cram them into one title" but it does take a pretty creative individual (Miyamoto) to come up with a game like LM or SMS (a middle-aged plumber running around with a water pack spraying water to clean up a graffiti/polluted island; come on, this isn't everyday stuff). It took months and months of plotting and scheming (I say scheming...for lack of a better term) to come up with what they had in those games; you came up with your idea in a few minutes because in just wasn't that creative.
I'm not trying to be rude in any way; this is just some constructive criticism to help you understand why Luigi's Mansion and Super Mario Sunshine were creative ideas; no idea from a fan could ever topple what Miyamoto has in mind. Ever.
And btw, I highly doubt Luigi's Mansion and Super Mario Sunshine did anything to ruin the Mario universe. From what I see, they helped it every way possible.
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HAL is a second party to Nintendo, not a third party. Nintendo owns some of HAL, I believe. At any rate, no, Kirby cannot appear on any other systems. If something like the Rare situation went down, then possibly. Although I don't see that happening. Also, Satoru Iwata used to be the president of HAL. Now he's the president of Nintendo.
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Are you saying that what happened with Rare is... Rare?
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Sunshine and Mansion did not do well...
They got no were near the level of SMB, SMB3 or SMW or even Mario 64. PS2 and Xbox dominated because Gamecube made Mario so dumb (that dumb townspeople look so stupid in it).
I am one of the fans that grew up playing old NES. My three systems as a kid where Nintendo, Sega Genesis, and GameGear so I had the original Sonic and Mario games and I think the more modern they get, the more childish they get.
However, my idea has been popular in other boards, but I think mostly because people who will talk about it in other boards grew up playing the Originals.
SMB sold like 60 million copies, compare that with Sunshine which sold maybe a 1/2 million copies.
Plus NSMB did real well and it is not a rehash.
Also putting characters like Waluigi in the game is novel because no Mario game has them. No Mario game has Wart, King K Rool, Bowser, Wario, Waluigi, and King DeDeDe as bad guys.
I do think Super Mario Galaxy will do real well because it seems more like SMB64 which basically was a 3D version of the world created in SMB, SMB3, SMW and that was what fans wanted. As this poster mentions, with the technology today, Nintendo can create a very good SMB3 if they put the time into it. If you read the review for Sunshine, it is clear that little time was put into it and that was why Gamecube did so poor. Only good game was SSBM and Windwaker (although I enjoy the Mario Party and all the sports games but they came out later).
Nintendo needs to get back to the original mario themes established by the original series and what happened to the original koopa kids and why cut them in favor of Bowser Jr.
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Also I notice a person quoted SMB3 as not being that good (which shows your different) when a lot of Magazines have it rated as one of the best games ever created and probably the best in the Mario series.
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Could you just use the edit button instead of double posting, please?
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Sunshine and Mansion did not do well...
Actually, most game review sites praised both Sunshine AND Luigi's Mansion. I think this just a continuation of your personal opinion. Both games sold very well by today's standards and both became Player's Choice titles.
They got no were near the level of SMB, SMB3 or SMW or even Mario 64. PS2 and Xbox dominated because Gamecube made Mario so dumb (that dumb townspeople look so stupid in it).
I don't have much to say to this, that's all a matter of personal opinion.
I am one of the fans that grew up playing old NES.
Good for you. So did I, and a good amount of users on this board over the age of 15. I think the more modern they get, the more childish they get.
Actually, I'd think it was the other way around. You grew up, while Mario stayed the same. Mario has been able to retain its kid-friendlyness for the past 20+ years.
However, my idea has been popular in other boards, but I think mostly because people who will talk about it in other boards grew up playing the Originals.
Again, a good amount of people here also played the originals and enjoyed them just as much as you did. You're not special here. Sure, people on other boards might like your ideas, but we're not other boards. The people who liked your ideas probably don't play video games as much as some of the people here.
SMB sold like 60 million copies, compare that with Sunshine which sold maybe a 1/2 million copies.
You know, I recall the quality of these old NES cartridges to not be so great. Though a simple Q-tip and bottle of rubbing alcohol usually did the trick when fixing cartridges, most people just thought their cartridges were broken and simply purchased new ones, resulting in such a high amount of purchased cartridges. That's just my theory, though. I'm assuming someone like Chup will shoot it down shortly. An alternative theory is that, you know, these games have been out for decades and the games stayed in production well into the SNES's life, compared to Sunshine or Luigi's Mansion which have been out for 4 or 5 years.
Plus NSMB did real well and it is not a rehash.
No argument here.
Also putting characters like Waluigi in the game is novel because no Mario game has them. No Mario game has Wart, King K Rool, Bowser, Wario, Waluigi, and King DeDeDe as bad guys.
That's quite an unnecessary amount of final bosses for one game, not to mention that K. Rool and DeDeDe aren't even a part of the Mario franchise (no matter how much as you want them to be. They're not.) I like it when the final boss is either Bowser, or Wario, or Wart. It shows that the bosses not in one of the games actually has a life and problems outside of stealing Peach, money, or Subcon. Or they could just be plotting their next attacks and it's taking awhile. That's saved for Mariology.
If you read the review for Sunshine, it is clear that little time was put into it
And if you actually asked most Mario fans and not a casual gamer, it's clear that most of them actually enjoyed the game. Sunshine was in development when Gamecube was still known as the Dolphin.
that was why Gamecube did so poor. Only good game was SSBM and Windwaker (although I enjoy the Mario Party and all the sports games but they came out later).
Maybe I'm just easy to satisfy, but all the games I purchased for my Gamecube were very enjoyable games that if I were to review I'd give very high ratings of.
Nintendo needs to get back to the original mario themes established by the original series and what happened to the original koopa kids and why cut them in favor of Bowser Jr.
Again with these stupid "Bowser Jr. sucks" arguments. It's clear Nintendo wants to use Bowser Jr. more than the original 7 Koopalings now. Either deal with it, or stop buying Mario games, plzkthxbai.
(Yes, I like Bowser Jr. as a character. He seems to be pretty intelligent, compared to his 7 siblings.)
There are my counters to your arguments. You still want this game of yours to be made by Nintendo, fine. Good luck (and if Nintendo for some crazy reason decides to actually use your ideas, good luck trying to actually take credit for them).
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Well, Vid, your hammering skills are much better than mine, and you hit the nail much harder than I would have.
I think the reasoning for Bowser Jr. replacing the Koopalings is simple. It's clear to me now. List the bosses for each world in Super Mario Bros. 3.
Exactly. The seven Koopalings, and you stomp on them three times to beat them.
List for me the bosses of each world in New Super Mario Bros.
Right. Because Bowser Jr. is only one guy, a wider variety of world bosses can make appearances. Don't even think about telling me I'm contradicting myself here, that you fight Bowser Jr. even more than you fought the whole group of Koopalings combined--his appearances as mini-boss in NSMB are the same as Boom Boom's in SMB3. I'm not a big fan of Bowser Jr. myself, but whatever.
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The problem with that argument BP, is that the Koopalings actually held a crapload of potential for appearences in modern Mario games. Ever play Yoshi's Safari? Each Koopaling drives their own unique giant robot and must be defeated in various ways. Think of how much personality they could have if used in a text-heavy Mario game. I was extremely ****ed when I discovered that they don't have any lines in M&L. Totally unfair, man.
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So apparently, some random person's review of a game dictates how much time the company put into making it? How is that logical at all?
Super Mario Sunshine sold over a million copies, otherwise it wouldn't have been a Player's Choice title. Same with Luigi's Mansion.
What the heck is the "original series"? As far as I can tell, there hasn't been a major break of any kind that would seem to differentiate different series within the list of Mario platformers.
Anyway, I agree with Bird Person. The koopalings boss battles were pretty lame. Maybe they weren't for when those games came out, but I don't know. I've never really thought they were that great.
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I've seen a lot of old-school Mario lovers who think the Mario games have deviated from what they used to be. I get annoyed when people like the older games better just because they're older. I used to hate the newer Sonic games, but about a year ago I realized it was just an illusion; a 3D Sonic game is obviously going to be different than a 2D one. The fact that newer games are different doesn't mean they're bad. They're just different.
For example, I really don't like it when people complain about the storylines in newer Mario games. I, for one, am very glad they're getting into more complex and unique plots, instead of just "ONO PEACH GOT STOLENED AGAIN!". If Nintendo had kept using that classic storyline in every Mario game, they would all essentially be the same adventure, just with different levels.
In short, people should appriciate the newer games for what they are, not bash them because they're not exactly like the older games. I like almost all of the Mario games, and I think they're getting better all the time, a good portion of which is because they're trying out new things like new environments and darker plots. That being said, it's not good to go too far over the brink-a Mario game with, say, guns and swearing, now that would be pushing it too far (*cough*Shadow the Hedgehog*cough*).
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You all made good points and all the criticism was great.
The point is I would like to see like an ultimate game with all those bad guys and heroes.
I don't mind Bowser Jr. that much, I just wish they would have keep the 7 koopalings... Maybe have all 8 of them together.
DK is already related to Mario world. Heck Mario Superstar Baseball has DK, Diddy, and Dixie. The Kremlings are in Super Mario Strikers.
I admit I am not a heavy video game player, I just like Mario. Most the people I talk to are just average joes, but it seems that my entire generation played the original Marios (1-3) and sometimes SMW but did not keep it going after that. I cannot get people to play the new ones with me but they still love SMB3, etc.
The studies that show SMB having 60 million copies are based on distribution and that is still 60x more then Sunshine.
Also you did not address the fact that when the original ones where out Nintendo was top dog and it was not until Gamecube that they fell behind PS2 and Xbox. Notice since Galaxy is coming out, Wii is doing better.
I like the new story lines, I just wish the characters did not look as babyish in dumb (the people in SM Sunshine). I just get this feel from everyone I talk to that Sunshine and Mansion are not at the quality of the other games. However, you guys are different and both games did have some good to them, I just don't see the issue in rehashing a game similar to SMB3 as the OP stated because it would appeal to a large audience (maybe not the ones on here though).
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I like the new story lines, I just wish the characters did not look as babyish in dumb (the people in SM Sunshine).
I hate to beat a dead horse, but I agree with you on that one. Piantas were/are just about the worst character ideas ever.
(Beat a dead horse, is that how you say it? :/)
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Also you did not address the fact that when the original ones where out Nintendo was top dog and it was not until Gamecube that they fell behind PS2 and Xbox.
Yeah, maybe that's because PS2 and Xbox happened when GameCube did! In all seriousness though, N64 limped behind PSX as well, and that was with Super Mario 64 (a universally praised Mario game) as a launch title. No, it wasn't 2D, nor should it have been. It isn't just the Mario games dictating how well the consoles will do.
Notice since Galaxy is coming out, Wii is doing better.
Actually since the Wii came out, it's been doing better. More thanks to Wii Sports (you know, the pack-in game) than Mario Galaxy. Seriously, Mario Galaxy's announcement and the Wii's success don't have any correlation.
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Also putting characters like Waluigi in the game is novel because no Mario game has them. No Mario game has Wart, King K Rool, Bowser, Wario, Waluigi, and King DeDeDe as bad guys.
King K Rool and King Dedede are not Mario enemies, so they are likely not going to appear in a Mario game (save for the SSB series, which is not a Mario game either..)
I agree about using Wart, Wario and Waluigi more often, though. Wart hasn't been seen since SMB2, yet we keep seeing Birdo, Shyguy, Bob-ombs, and such..
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Yeah, I think they should use Waluigi more often. He's so undeveloped; there's a lot Nintendo could do with this character. They’ve made good choices with Wario, and he's become quite an individual over the years. If Waluigi could draw in fans doing something no other Mario character would dare (the crotch chop), then just think of all the things Nintendo could have him do. He'd be so vulgar/crude, every prepubescent kid out there would fall in love with him and his antics.
Okay, so I may sound a bit sarcastic, but I mean it when I say Waluigi needs to be pushed. He's grown on me despite his extremely flat characteristics, so I can't imagine how much I'd like him if he had his own game.
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Waluigi is so undeveloped that they should forget he ever existed. That would be super wonderful.
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Mario himself is less developed than Waluigi in terms of character. Should they forget about him too?
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No, I think Mario has more character than Waluigi. I mean, he's just one of the characters that was thrown in there for Spin-off games and sports. I don't even think he has much character outside of being like Wario.
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Well, let's compare characteristics to see who has more "character":
Waluigi: No back story, has no family or friends other than Wario (weather they are brothers or not has yet to be confirmed), hates Luigi, is shown to be very crude/vulgar towards his fellow peers, attempted world domination once and is hard working according to a few sources.
That's about it for Waluigi. His motives, place of origin and attitude remain a mystery. But does this mean they should trash Waluigi? Let's look at Mario's characteristcs....during his very first game.
Mario (1981): No back story, has no family or friends other than Pauline, hates Donkey Kong, has a sense of justice and is somewhat of a construction worker.
I know what you may be thinking. "But that's just one year of Mario's life. Waluigi's list spans his entire life time." Yes, that's true, but if Waluigi had as many opportunities as Mario did in the past, mabey he'd grow in character too. Let's look at Mario, after 100 games or so.
Mario: Back story, is shown to have multiple relationships with friends and peers, has a strong sense of justice as well as other traits (happy, determined, brave, caring, strong)...the list goes on.
Now I'm not saying Waluigi should get 100 games; characters don't need 100 games to develope. All they really need is one. In some cases, like Mario, they need a few more. I think that if Waluigi was given a chance, he could at least grow to be admired the same way fans love Wario. But I doubt that's gonna happen any time soon. He came in too late in the game; nothing outside of a DS game or a Wii game could save him now, and I don’t think Nintendo wants to do that.
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The characters have limited personality so that they can kind of fit your personality. That was the point of original NES... the characters where original made so that they could be anybody.
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Also technically DK's world has to be in the same world as the Mushroom Kingdom since characters from DK find themselves in Mario's world.
I say Kirby's land will be accessible by traveling into space and out to the star.
The reason to put Kirby, DK, and Diddy in is to have more diversity as heroes and new exciting worlds to go to.
Bowser will be the ultimate boss but a long the way you have to fight mini quests and defeat other bosses (In fact I would have a seperate story where Mario stumbles into both lands on his quests to defeat Bowser and has to aid Kirby and DK that will later allow them to be unlocked and join Mario's party).
I mean for the game to be 4 player.
Playable Heroes
Toad, Yoshi, Luigi, Mario, DK (unlockable), Diddy Kong (unlockable), Kirby (unlockable), Daisy (possibly unlockable once you rescue her).
Wario and Waluigi would be bosses of the first world. I imagine them using an attack by throwing bomb-ombs at you. I plan to have them serve a role like Knuckles did in Sonic 3 later on throughout the game jumping up every once in a while to hamper or sometimes even aid you. The are neutral antagonists to the story.
I also forgat, Yoshis Island will also be a world after sea world and before sky world.
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The characters have limited personality so that they can kind of fit your personality. That was the point of original NES... the characters where original made so that they could be anybody.
But....that's not my point.
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Please note that I haven't played any of the Kirby games, but how exactly does Kirby's world connect with Mario's, other than the fact that the characters in both worlds are Nintendo characters? And please do not pull some hairbrained fan theory out of your butt; I want an actual theory using information that comes from the games. Otherwise, Kirby cannot be in a game like that.
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I'm slightly annoyed that my well thought out post will go unnoticed because volbound1700 decided to talk about his "game" again.
Volbound1700, mabey your game would do well as a fanfic. This is just some advice.
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This is almost comical.
How exactly does Kirby's world connect with Mario's?
In no way at all.
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Wait, what is this topic supposed to be about, anyway?
Oh, well. Here's where I stand: All the main Mario series games have been fine (yes, even Sunshine, which I got bak to working on again. I just wish there had been more stages), but New SMB is a nostalgic fanservice, not an actual continuation of the series--and Kirby and Mario mix like pasta and cotton candy (though I admire your pluck at suggesting some fresh ideas). And Galaxy is gonna be indescribably rad.
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This is almost comical.In no way at all.
I was trying to make a point that Volbound's idea for a video game will never happen outside fanfiction.
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Oops. Sorry, I was kind of speeding through the topic. Won't happen again, chief.
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'tsalright. :)
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I'm slightly annoyed that my well thought out post will go unnoticed
I noticed your typos: pears. I think the word you were trying to use is peers. :D
Anywa, I don't hate Waluigi, but I hate how it seems like they haven't even tried to use him, outside of the spinoffs. Why not put him into an actual game?
.. and that's really all I have to add at this moment in time.
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I noticed your typos: pears. I think the word you were trying to use is peers. :D
Oops. I was so into it I forgot how to spell. XP
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Super Mario World is Super Mario Bros. 4.
Let's just say "super mario world is super mario bros. 4 in all but name" ;)
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Incorrect. It is also SMB4 by name.
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Incorrect. It is also SMB4 by name.
Do you mean that people actually call it SMB4?
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No, but it says "Super Mario Bros. 4" on the Japanese box.
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Ahhh, I didn't know that.