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Title: Are Bullet Bills Alive?
Post by: Themetaknight on October 17, 2013, 08:38:01 PM
I think dead
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Post by: BP on October 17, 2013, 09:30:04 PM
Dry Bullet Bills would be the dead ones
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Post by: Weegee on October 17, 2013, 10:02:55 PM
DELETE THAT BEFORE MIYAMOTO NOTICES AND PUTS THEM IN THE NEXT NSMB
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Post by: The Chef on October 18, 2013, 12:20:25 AM
If they were dead, they wouldn't be able to move you silly,
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Post by: Themetaknight on October 18, 2013, 12:39:53 AM
Bill Blasters?
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Post by: BP on October 18, 2013, 01:10:35 AM
Bill Blasters are probably alive too
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Post by: Themetaknight on October 18, 2013, 01:20:47 AM
Bill Blasters are probably alive too
That's ridiculous
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Post by: The Chef on October 18, 2013, 09:08:38 AM
Ah-ah, this poll is asking about Bullet Bills, not Bill Blasters.
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Post by: LG97 on October 18, 2013, 09:41:46 AM
I think dead
Dont you see smiling and the eyes? But..maybe are painted bullets....umm...But i paper mario when you hurt them open wide their eyes so are alive.
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Post by: Godot on October 18, 2013, 09:26:26 PM
That's ridiculous

Unlike the rest of the Mario series, which is completely serious.

(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg330.imageshack.us%2Fimg330%2F969%2Fmbsc13eq.jpg&hash=899551e704bf30e56166f0a7417d5668)

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Post by: TheMightyThor on October 19, 2013, 06:50:35 AM
I think dead
But wouldn't Mario have to jump on them first?
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Post by: Themetaknight on October 20, 2013, 09:49:18 PM
But wouldn't Mario have to jump on them first?
Thats because their moving
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Post by: The Chef on October 21, 2013, 09:33:55 AM
but how can they move if there dead!!!!!!????!!!???!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!??!!!???!?!?!?1
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Post by: Toad on October 21, 2013, 11:22:18 AM
Y cant Metrod crawl


I mean.. They are able to move because they've been shot from the cannons.
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Post by: Godot on October 21, 2013, 11:45:32 AM
They also manually turn with their little arms, so it's a safe bet that they're alive. And they can aim themselves in the 3D games.
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Post by: Turtlekid1 on October 21, 2013, 11:53:38 AM
Missiles can have on-board guidance systems.  Not every video game homing missile is alive.
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Post by: The Chef on October 21, 2013, 03:33:56 PM
There are sentient Bullet Bills in Mario Party Advance and two of the Mario & Sonic games. They even have dialog.
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Post by: BP on October 21, 2013, 03:53:36 PM
Then the cannons are probably alive too. Think about it. If Bullet Bills are alive would they REALLY hang out with a dead cannon that often?
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Post by: Weegee on October 21, 2013, 04:27:25 PM
Don't knock it 'til you've tried it.
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Post by: Themetaknight on October 22, 2013, 09:03:13 PM
but how can they move if there dead!!!!!!????!!!???!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!??!!!???!?!?!?1
Bill blasters
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Post by: The Chef on October 22, 2013, 10:01:50 PM
Bill Blasters are probably alive too
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Post by: bobbysq1337 on October 23, 2013, 06:52:34 AM
Bullet Bills, Bill Blasters, and Bob-ombs are Metal-type
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Post by: CrossEyed7 on October 23, 2013, 10:52:40 AM
Bullet Bills started out as just standard missiles with scary faces painted on them. Over time, more technology was added to them, starting with the heat-seeking models in SMB3,and later onboard computers able to make basic decisions, eventually culminating in models that are now fully self-aware. Different models coexist side by side, for cost reasons, and there are still dumb ones, but many of them are now sentient.
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Post by: Weegee on October 23, 2013, 05:13:33 PM
How much must one cost to make? Bowser has to be losing a fortune.
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Post by: The Chef on October 23, 2013, 05:58:47 PM
Consider for a moment that this is a world where gold coins are literally everywhere and that Bowser is the king of his own nation....
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Post by: Themetaknight on October 24, 2013, 01:09:55 AM
Then the cannons are probably alive too. Think about it. If Bullet Bills are alive would they REALLY hang out with a dead cannon that often?
Ah, but Bullet Bills are dead
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Post by: Themetaknight on October 24, 2013, 01:21:36 AM
HEY how about torpedo teds?
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Post by: BP on October 24, 2013, 01:51:07 AM
Bullet Bills aren't dead and Torpedo Teds probably have gills.

The Teds' launchers must be alive. They even have hands for goodness' sake
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Post by: Tavros on October 24, 2013, 06:14:05 AM
Everything in Mario is alive. EVERYTHING
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Post by: BP on October 24, 2013, 08:41:58 AM
Not when I'm through with 'em!

#whoa #confidence #iwentthere
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Post by: Tavros on October 24, 2013, 09:30:13 AM
Themetaknight, do you think they were once alive? Because then they would technically be a living thing. Thus, they would be alive.
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Post by: Bigluigifan1.0 on October 24, 2013, 09:49:39 AM
I feel stupid for bringing any kind of serious speculation here, but my guess is that they are as alive as Mecha-Koopas.
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Post by: The Chef on October 24, 2013, 12:06:37 PM
There have been sentient Mechakoopas too. :V
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Post by: Weegee on October 24, 2013, 06:03:52 PM
Not when I'm through with 'em!

#whoa #confidence #iwentthere
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Post by: Themetaknight on October 24, 2013, 06:21:59 PM
my guess is that they are as alive as Mecha-Koopas
that means dead
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Post by: Luigison on October 24, 2013, 07:16:26 PM
Mario can play as several enemies.  Can he play as a Bullet Bill?  That'd be fun.
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Post by: The Chef on October 24, 2013, 09:48:52 PM
that means dead

does it?!?!??!??!?!?!?!??!???!?!?!?!?!1
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Post by: bobbysq1337 on October 25, 2013, 05:38:12 AM
"Dead" would imply that they were once living, though.
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Post by: Themetaknight on October 25, 2013, 10:11:11 PM
Oops..... I mean that means the bullet bill was never sentinent
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Post by: Godot on October 26, 2013, 03:25:35 PM
To quote the Mario Wiki:
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A Bullet Bill appears in Mario Party Advance as a track and field athlete at the Mushroom Stadium. The Bullet Bill's quest involves challenging him to a race. When the player defeats him, Bullet Bill gives them the Gaddget Mini Soccer.

Non sentient objects do not give prizes.
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Post by: Weegee on October 26, 2013, 04:37:25 PM
Have you never used a vending machine?
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Post by: The Chef on October 26, 2013, 07:26:15 PM
I'm sad that Godot had to quote Mario Wiki.
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Post by: Themetaknight on October 27, 2013, 06:17:34 PM
Non sentient objects do not give prizes.
most bills aren't sentinent
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Post by: Themetaknight on October 27, 2013, 06:18:45 PM
The Teds' launchers must be alive.
That at least I agree with
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Post by: BP on October 27, 2013, 10:21:49 PM
I would think that, logically, torpedo ted launchers and bill blasters would be in the same order at least. Maybe Bob-omb cannons and FLUDD too. Bullet Bills, Torpedo Teds and Bob-Ombs would likely be in the same class but a different order. Families would be divided up further by defense mechanisms and habitat, and there'd be several in the same genus as Bill Blasters, with Bill Blasters, Bombshell Bill Blasters, Bouncing Bill Blasters, Missile Bill Blasters, Banzai Bill Blasters etc. being unique species.

Billogy
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Post by: Godot on October 28, 2013, 11:46:52 AM
most bills aren't sentinent

Why would some, but not all, of the same thing (Creature? Species?) be sentient? It seems weird for an arbitrary selection to be sentient when others are not.
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Post by: BP on October 28, 2013, 12:40:25 PM
I wouldn't say sentient and organic have anything to do with each other in Mario anyway. The question is more of what the minimum requirement is for something to be "alive," as examples of all combinations exist.

Clearly alive but probably not sentient: M&L:SS Goombas, Yoob, Little Mousers

Clearly sentient but would make sense to be inorganic: Yakkey, Monsieur Broque, some Thwomps

Clearly organic and clearly sentient: Lubba, E. Gadd, Wario

Clearly inorganic and clearly non-sentient: Coin, hammer, boot
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Post by: The Chef on October 28, 2013, 12:59:47 PM
Little Mousers (aka Squeeks) are pretty sentient in Paper Mario. Ms. Mowz is one of them. :U
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Post by: Weegee on October 28, 2013, 01:11:57 PM
She's driven solely by primal, animalistic, instinctive lust, not reason.
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Post by: BP on October 28, 2013, 02:38:30 PM
The ones in Yoshi's Island and Mario Kart don't seem to be. Renaming them in TTYD I took as a retcon to them being little mousers at all
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Post by: The Chef on October 28, 2013, 05:11:13 PM
They're both still called "Chū-san" in Japan. I took it as the localizers wanting to give them an English name more in line with their Japanese name, as they otherwise have nothing to do with Mouser.