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Video Games => Video Game Chat => Topic started by: Glorb on February 25, 2006, 01:24:51 PM
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I can't tell you how many times I've heard that phrase in the title, or a variation of it (or worse yet, something like "get a life"). It's insulting. And the person asking it never has any business doing so. One time, my dad had some of his model-train-hobbyist friends over. One of the friends' wife came too, and at one point video games were mentioned in a conversation. Not by me, but by her. She then asked if I played them, and I said yes. She replied, "Well, you need to get out and socialize." She actually spoke in italics. "You'll never make any friends playing video games! Unless those friends are, like, freaks or nerds or whatever." In my opinion, that was way over the line. Worse yet, her husband overheard, and responded to me, ever so politely, with "Yeah, get a life." And that was not the only occasion. The problem is, it's not like I go up to random people and bombard them with nerd lingo; they start the conversation and then insult me for playing games! That has happened to nearly every gamer at some point. What is causing this?
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Hillary Clinton.
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It's actually easier for me to comunicate through video games for some reason.
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Ironic that they find model-train-hobbyists as "normal" and "acceptable" and "having a life," yet they don't see that with video gamers. A hobby is a hobby, regardless of what it is. If you're going to judge one, you can't exclude all others. Besides, video gaming can be quite a social outlet. I mean, look at the community here. We're all socializing, interacting with each other--PEOPLE (well, most of us are, anyway ;) ). If it weren't for video games, I doubt any of us would know each other at all. Not to mention you can play video games WITH people.
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Hillary Clinton.
What would she have to do with video games?
As for those model train hobbyists, I bet they spend more time with their trains then they do socializing.
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Yeah, I don't like to be judged either. Though I'm not really sure how other people judge me... I mostly just judge myself.
Markio, you are the most irresponsible person I have ever known!
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I actually haven't experienced anyone insulting my gaming hobby. It is true that some people are overly obsessed with video games. It's only a bad thing if you play video games without getting the exercise you need, getting work done, etc. I have a very low metabolism, so I have to exercise a lot. But with that said, I still play games for at least an hour a day.
What I'm saying is, people can still play games for six hours a day and still get every thing else done at the same time. Even though starring at a projector screen for that long can really damage your mind.
It IS very rude to say such a thing such as what Glorb explained. People shouldn't judge a book by their cover. People enjoy different things. So get over it. I agree with Glorb.
What would she have to do with video games?
She's the one fighting against video games. Without much logic by her side, she is only arguing her point with facts about violent and gory games. "Video games are turning our children into criminals!" That was a quote from when she sued Rockstar for their lie to ESRB about Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. She also sued EA Games for the Sims 2. Somebody made a mod for it that made the sims nude and showed their privates. She is blaming EA for this incident.
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Does she even know what a "Mod" is? I don't think she does cause if she did, she wouldn't have sued the companies.
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You sure it's Hillary Clinton and not Jack "The Troll" Thompson? That guy needs to realize he can't blame societies problems on video game developers.
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She actually spoke in italics.
XD
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Aw, I lost a huge rant that I had spent hours typing. Oh, well... but, I don't get that kind of stuff, because nearly everyone in my school has played video games at one point or another.
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I have a ton of friends. Mostly, because, everyone plays video games. And that's just in real life--all of you people, I "met" because of video games. I can consider you friends. And I do other things too--it's not like you don't meet other kids your age at school. I don't spend all day playing Nintendo. Just a majority of it. Let's see...
8 hours sleeping
7 hours at school
That leaves 9 hours of Nintendo, which I'm sure you can guess, is not used for just Nintendo. Plus, I live in the middle of nowhere with freaky neighbors, no one I know lives within walking distance--so even if I didn't play Nintendo I'd have an equal or lesser amount of a life. My parents aren't going to drive me to the food court every day, and I know it's the same for my friends. And almost every teenager alive has MSN, I swear I get enough, if not too much socialization each day. not to mention I get to go bowling every Saturday and every other friday now.
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The only videogame prejudice I've met is the famous debate on "Whcih system is the best?" I have a lot of friends who prefer Xbox to GCN or PS2.
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You sure it's Hillary Clinton and not Jack "The Troll" Thompson? That guy needs to realize he can't blame societies problems on video game developers.
I think it's both, actually. You hear more about Jack Thompson, though, because his head is so far up his rear that his "insights" become comical. I think the best respresentation of his personality was when a 15 year old named Stephen Judd e-mailed him with a rather well-written 2 or so page argument against Thompson's stance, the last statement asking to "please take what I am saying seriously" and Thompson's reply, as stated, with no correction for grammar, was:
no, stephen judd is a stupid name
Back to your story. People like those that you encountered do not deserve to have children, as they cannot see past a single trait to determine one's personality, thus making them just as mature as standard elementary school students. Which, I hesitiate to say, because there's plenty of mature elementary school students (like myself at that age) who'd take offense to that comparison, and I apologize to any of those on this forum. Besides, I'd wonder how they'd treat their children, anyways:
"No, you can't play baseball. You wouldn't want to end up like those steroid freaks, would you?"
On a lighter note, "she actually spoke in italics" was an excellent literary device for that situation. I was amused.
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Jack Tomphson actually insulted someone's name? I mean, he's gone pretty low before (Actual quote: "Are all of you gamers on drugs or what?"), but he's not even trying to disguise his jerkitude at this point.
Personally, I think that hobby train-modeling (which essetially amounts to grown men playing with toy trains, but to a much more extreme degree) is regarded as being totally normal and not a waste of money by most people because video games are still fairly "new". I'll bet most model-trainers (or whatever they're called) got interested in model trains way before video games were even invented, and so this fancy new Game Boy thinamaboob that their kid's talking about perplexes them. Their kid seems fairly interested in it, so he must not have a normal life cooped up inside all day playing that thing, even though he probably goes outside and plays daily. And most model-train enthusiasts start conversations about "O-scale" or "On30" or "Zh187" or "Bachman trains" and aren't considered annoying, while simply saying the phrase "Space Invaders" will ellicit responses such as "video games are destroying society" and "video games rot your brain, kid". So, in short, it's because most model-train (or whatever else they like) enthusiasts are old guys, and kids are young, and games are new, and old and new don't mix well.
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If Hillary Clinton is trying to do that, she must NOT be voted into presidency! I like video games and I play them A LOT but I'm not overly obessed with them, whilst some people are. I get good grades, yet I play video game a whole lot. I do my chores and I'm doing good in my math. My mom doesn't say things that insult me but my sisters say I'm obsessed. In short, video games were made for kids to enjoy for hours in a day. What is a sims "mod" anyways? I bet Hil doesn't know what they are XD. I agree, old and new don't mix very well but my dad like video games and in the early 90's, my big sis and bro used to play mortal kombat with him. At least my mom and dad are okay with it. Though I have met a guy I avoid metioning anything video game related around.
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As my US History/Gov't teacher thinks, the country still isn't ready for a female president.
She also thinks there'll be a black man elected before a woman.
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Assumption A: Hillary Clinton is the only female with any chance of being elected to the presidency in 2008.
Assumption B: If a woman is elected president, many places that harbor terrorists, many who still see women as weak-minded people, will invoke several terrorist attacks.
Assumption C: If Hillary Clinton reacts to these attacks in the same way as she reacted to Bill, she will not respond (or respond weakly) to these attacks.
Conclusion A: Hillary Clinton should NOT be elected in 2008. Much as I dislike his policy, I'd re-re-elect Dubya over Clinton at this point. Thankfully, there's that "no more than 2 terms" amendment.
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Thank Franklin Roosevelt. :P
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Basically, if you have hobby that consumes a lot of your time, no matter what the subject, you haven't got a life. How much more will making model trains educate you as opposed to video games? And in today's society, where does that get you when it comes to friends, honestly?
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I may have a boring life, but... here's an example of a conversation.
Me: So, do you have any video game consoles?
Guy: Yeah, I have an XBOX.
Me: XBOX is awesome! I love Halo, it's cool. (True...)
Guy: I also have a Gameboy Advance SP.
Me: Which games?
Guy: Ah, I have Pokemon Ruby...
Me: I have Emerald. I just restarted mine...
...and so, the conversation went.
BTW, sometimes dissimilar interests start conversations as well. I once had a rather interesting chat at a Mexican restaurant with a family friend about someone about four times my age about why he disliked Harry Potter. Go figure. :P
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As for those model train hobbyists, I bet they spend more time with their trains then they do socializing.
Yeah, and with video games, you can invite a few friends over to play and socialize and have a good time. No one wants to come over to see model trains.
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Well, my dad is a model-train enthusiast, and he has tons of friends, but most of them react to any other subject (except maybe John Wayne movies, which they seem to love) as if I said "I'm going to go kidnap a baby and eat it alive". It's very annoying, because they always seem to expect me to know what the heck they're talking about (the only model-train term I know is "On30" and I don't even know what that is) but almost yell at me because I play games. Games don't consume my life like their hobby does. I mean, really, my dad spends about $2000 a year on model trains (and also golf clubs, because he's a golfer) while I spend a maximum of $180 a year on games. I have nothing against his hobbies, really, but he and his friends act like games are the devil (much like Jack Thomphson).
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"They're just jealous"
The only reason they say it is because They dont have them
Why else would they say it?
Me? I play VG's because Its what I do to live. I'm not Kidding. Its the only thing in the world that keeps my mind off of mortalatly, the fact that there is no god, the fact that the sun is a star, and in six billion years, it will grow into a supergaint completely oblitherating the entire solar sytem. Then it will explode into a supernova destroying anything in its raduis. and maybe, just MAYBE, it will change into a black hole, sucking the rest of our puny remains into the unknown. Then the milky way will be lost.......
foverever.....*sniff*
And whats WORSE?!? the is nope hope of escapeing the blast because even if we did travel at the speed of light, We'd be over a hundred years old and we wouldn't even have reached pluto yet. So forget Aliens. there is NO WAY they're getting here......
.....Only approximattly 70 years of my life left...
---Random mocks from those mortals---
Wanna play my DS? HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!
You're just going to be that loser who works at the s**** cheese factory and dosent do anything but play video games. You'll have no freinds and you'll just shrivel up and die.......
Get a life...
You have no freinds
Just Shrivel up and die...
Just Shrivel up and die...
Just Shrivel up and die...
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My goodness. It seems as if they mean the world to you. Never that for me because they are so NOT keeping me alive. Food, water, air, and God's will keeps me alive.
~Please don't quote the post above yours, especially the entire post, especially when the entire post is that long. ~Sapph
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The sun will not explode into a supernova or turn into a black hole. It will expand into a giant and obliterate some of the solar system. You could reach Pluto before you die.
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Hey, my dad works on the machines at the cheese factory.
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Maybe if you actually believed in God, you'd have hope? and feel a purpose in life? and a feeling of fulfillment? and... well, you get the idea. Just a suggestion/idea.
(Might I point out that "there is no god," as you said it, is NOT a fact, as you claimed.)
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Nice use of font sizes.
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Sapphira, let him believe what he wants.
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His post was certainly, um, dramatic. And quite uplifting, too.
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It seemed like he used an awful lot of blank lines in that post.
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Maybe if you actually believed in God, you'd have hope? and feel a purpose in life? and a feeling of fulfillment? and... well, you get the idea. Just a suggestion/idea.
(Might I point out that "there is no god," as you said it, is NOT a fact, as you claimed.)
Oh, no, not another YOUR LIFE MEANS NOTHING WITHOUT GOD threat. I get enough of that tripe in real life. I, and all other atheists, do not need to be condescended upon because of our beliefs.
Once again: I don't question your religion, why do you question mine (I.E., my lack thereof)? My life has MORE than enough purpose as it is. I anticipate much fulfullment for myself in the near future, also.
That said, though, "there is no God" can't be proven like the sun being a star can be. S'all.
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If the afterlife is just a blank void without a God, then I might as well enjoy life while I still can.
Anyway, let me express my outrage at Hillary Clinton's comments. It's not as if I'm going around stomping on people's turtles and cutting bridges with axes, right?
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I was NOT telling him what to believe; I was retorting to his complaint that video games are "the only thing in the world that keeps my mind off of mortalatly, the fact that there is no god". If he feels THAT depressed and helpless and angry about life, I was saying that perhaps believing in God would change that feeling.
Just a suggestion/idea.
I wasn't insulting atheists' beliefs (or lack thereof); I was pointing out a different perspective. I just don't understand why anyone would WANT to feel depressed, helpless, and/or angry. If one doesn't feel that, okay, well then, whatever. While I might not agree with their beliefs, I'll respect them and theirs as long as they're respectful. Metal_Slug_Mario wasn't being respectful.
I respect you, Steve, though I don't agree with you. However, I find your response as sounding bitter and angry with me. I didn't mean to offend anyone; I was just sticking up for my beliefs, as I didn't like how MSM was going off like that. Just stating my point of view and perspective; not "forcing" them on anyone or insulting others'. I fail to see how I "threatened" anything.
I apologize for sounding condescending. If anything, I was being "condescending" toward MSM's attitude---not his beliefs, not other's beliefs, and certainly not toward anyone as a person. I'm sorry for acting like that, as it is, as I shouldn't have. Bad attitudes frustrate me. Please, to anyone, don't take this stuff as a personal attack.
...Yeah.
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Actually, I think the Sun will just become a red giant frying Mercury, Venus, and Earth, just barely missing Mars. After a while, it will turn into a black dwarf.
EDIT: I play video games to escape reality and to alleviate the stress caused by reality.
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It seems like weird advice to tell someone who is depressed about the fact that there is no God to feel better by believing in God.
It's like telling someone who is depressed about getting an F to feel better by believing that they got an A.
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Might as well start another thread if this keeps up,(I barely even mentioned God,)
Sorry,(everyone) I'm just posting my true feelings about this.
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I play video games to escape reality and to alleviate the stress caused by reality.
That's strange. That's one of the reasons I play. That, and the fact that they're totally awexome. ^_^
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From my experiences, as soon as threads initially not about religion or politics turn into debates about religion or politics, they are almost always unsalvagable.
My reaction to Sapphira's post, at the time, was vitriolic, but this is because:
1) I had just had someone in real life try to tell me exactly what I had descbired a few hours prior,
2) I had somewhat misread the post, and somehow mentally overlooked the "suggestion" comment,
3) My reactions to things are, sometimes, volatile and unpredictable.
I'll take back any ill feelings that may have been implied in that thread. But I'm still frustrated about people who feel the need to tell me things like what I described in my initial post. Re-reading Saph's post, and its context within the thread, I can see now that it wasn't intended like I read it as, and I apologise for my quick, sort-of thoughtless snapping back.
So... ya. My experiences with video games. I can't possibly see how the Jack Thompson ideal even remotely applies to myself. I've neever been any sort of fan of the GTA series, or any first person shooters, or those kinds of games. Only FPS I ever played for any time was Goldeneye. Only fighting game (if you can call it such) I played for any time is SSB(M). Unless you can turn the E-rated Mario games into violent smashfests. Which typical politicians tend to be able to do.
In fact, a good deal of my friendships come from video games. And poker, but that's for another thread altogether. Just like most of that couple you mentioned's friends come from model trains. Seriously. You find something you like, and meet other people who have a common interest. What difference does it make if that interest is video games or model trains?
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I'm glad to see this topic is nw back to the intended subject (games).
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now that were back on topic,
like I said "they're just jealous"
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What I posted last time, it's not the only reason I play video games. As I matured, I though deeply about why video games are so enjoyable, and I realized that the screen offers your mind a gateway to a new world. A person will turn a game on for at least one of different reasons: for the sake of playing through it to beat it, the basic fact that they are fun, or to relax the mind from the hardships the real world inflicts on us.
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Well, that's the main reason I play most games. The reason I would play Perfect Dark is to train to become a spay, although it gets a tad unrealistic around...oh, the first level. I suppose that's why I play games; they're often unrealistic, in a fun way. That's also why I never liked the Tom Clancy</I> games that much, save for the Splinter Cell games.
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I suppose that's why I play games; they're often unrealistic, in a fun way.
I guess thats why I love halo
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Halo does rock.
And I recently read about another Jack "Jerk Thomphson" Thomphson incident that happened in '05. He said that a company should make a violent game (which I thought he was against) about a father whose son was killed by another kid who played Grand Theft Auto (he specifically said to use GTA). The father, instead of, say, mourning, or possibly even going to the police, does what any real dad would do in that situation: murder everyone he meets, including pedestrians, policeman, and innocent bystanders who did not kill his son. Then he said that he would donate something like $10,000 to any company who would produce this game, saying that take-Two Intercative would (although Jerk and Take-Two had no agreement). He never actually did, because he's a jerk, but the guys who write Penny Arcade donated that to Take-Two, and Jerk tried to get them arrested.
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I read about that story, but didn't realise that Jack Thompson tried to arrest people for donating to charity.
A group of people made a fan-game called "I am O.K." after this idea, although it's not a console game but a computer game, and it's quite violent so I'll refrain from linking. The company even called themselves "Thompsonsoft" ... Ah hahaha.
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I liked the level 3 boss of I'm O.K.
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Jack Thompson knows nothing about what he talks about.
I think GTA needs to be banned...but seriously...Thompson insults all gamers. I think Jack needs to smell the coffee and realize what he needs: A LIFE.
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He's already smelled the coffee... the hot coffee.
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ZING!
Here's a real, actual quote from Roxanne Richardson, a 35-year-old mother in England:
"I'd rather my son take a more proactive, less habitual drug like cocaine than lock himself away and play videogames. It's so lazy. At least with pills and coke, you're out and doing something."
...What the crap? Zone in on that italicized portion.
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now thats what I call really d****ed up
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The difference between video games and cocaine is that one doesn't kill you when you use it sometimes.
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ZING!
Here's a real, actual quote from Roxanne Richardson, a 35-year-old mother in England:
"I'd rather my son take a more proactive, less habitual drug like cocaine than lock himself away and play videogames. It's so lazy. At least with pills and coke, you're out and doing something."
...What the crap? Zone in on that italicized portion.
What kind of random craziness is that??? Geeze, VG's don't kill you. Cocaine does. These people just are crapped up with their own ideas and don't want to open their mind to the fact that Video games do not kill you. Look at the people who make video games: They make their money, they have a LOT of imagination, they are understanding of what kids like. Bottom Line: Video games are like anything else addictive. Tell the grown-ups who are addicted to something and hate video games that.
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*Dies playing video games*
Seriously, though, it's becoming insanity. These people are calling us the lazy generation- I'm sure they copped similar stuff when they were younger. Some people are trying to give a better childhood to their children, fair enough. It's just the fact that they are mirroring exactly what their parents did to them.
Oh, and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if that lady was drugged or something when she said that. Video games do give people stuff to talk about. Common interests start friendships, and common interests are started by video games.
BTW, in the first post, who at your school called you a nerd for playing games? Nearly every single person in my year level plays video games, and I've made tons of friends because of that fact.
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Having just played Dr. Mario/Puzzle League for over five hours straight, I'm tempted to agree with crazy lady regarding the relative addictiveness of cocaine and video games. However, I fail to see how cocaine is more productive than video games. Playing video games such as Puzzle League potential increases my eye-hand coordination and pattern recognition, thereby making it reasonably productive, for a non-athletic hobby. What can you accomplish by using cocaine, besides killing yourself? I guess you can lose weight by using cocaine, but I don't think many doctors out there will praise the health benefits of cocaine use. And besides, you can lose weight playing Dance Dance Revolution, and improve your pattern recognition at the same time.
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I agree. I think the worst injury you can get from playing video games too much is carpal tunnel syndorme. The only real way a game can kill you is if you have epilepsy and your game gives you a seizure.
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There's also another fact these people have so coincidentally ignored- games do stimulate minds, depending on the game. I have recently become addicted to Chessmaster, and there have been many late nights spent in frustration at trying to beat a certain player, yet I learn something each time I sit down.
Nevertheless, that lady is crazy.
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Video games are a hobby. Actually, lok: It's a more VARIED hobby than any kind oif crap they'd do in the olden days. We can be interested in this and that because video games have genres. Does model train making have more than one genre? And get on drugs?!?!?! What the freakin' crap is that? I've never had a seizure from video games. Although I'm fat and don't really move a whole lot, I'm pretty healthy. It runs in my mom's side of my family. Low cholesterol and blood pressure, but given our physiques it AMAZES doctors.
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I've found myself becoming addicted to DDR and other four-panel dancing simulations recently.
I'm definitely one to vouch for becoming addicted to video games. From MMORPGs to puzzle games to internet poker (the last one seems to be destroying my personality from the inside, and angering people I know from the aforementioned MMORPGs) -- I am VERY easily addicted to games and the like. I'm fairly certain I'd also become addicted to cocaine, assuming I sunk far enough into the gutter to ever have the desire to try it.
Except I'd much rather be addicted to video games (even internet poker) instead of cocaine, because it's cheaper and usually less deadly.
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Well, there is Conaine Lite. More taste, less filling.
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Bah, it's such a fad to hate video games these days. And the only reason is because it's the "newest" form of entertainment. Before Video games, it was Rock n Roll, and before that, comic books. Heck, back in the 1800s (or something) they felt the same way towards books and even Opera! In maybe ten years, there will be something new that 'poisons' the minds of children and this will be all over. But, until then, I encourage anyone who lives in America to read and join this page http://www.videogamevoters.org/
Thankfully, I'm from Canada, where the video game debate isn't as strong, but I wish I could join help you guys out that way.
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That, The Fungi Forums, and talking on MSN, so yeah that's about all I do.
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ACtually, books have been around since waaaay before the 1800's. Like, since 1800 B.C. But I understand, every time there's a new thing that kids like, then it's pretty much the resposibility of old people to hate it. Granted, a few of the things they hated (like disco and 8-Track cartridges and Styx) did suck.
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I beg to differ (about disco sucking)!
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Yeah the Disco Era was pretty cool.
*listening to 70's music*
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Well, ZZTop was (is?) pretty good. Especially their ten-minute-long electric guitar solos.
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Yeah, them and BOSTON. How could you forget BOSTON. XD Most of you probably do.
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They did "More Than a Feeling"! That song was on Guitar Hero! Of course, the only song I remember from Boston was "More Than a Feeling", and the only line I remember from that song was "More than a feeling, (more than a feeling)", but it was a great song. I frequently rock out to that song (to the best extent I can) when it's on the radio.
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YEAH!!! I like you dude, ROCK ON!!!
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I like me too.
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Back on topic!I played Mario ALL THE TIME when I was 5 but now i've layed it down a little.Off topic:I like Motley Crue's Shout AT the devil(At not with).You can tell it is AGAINST the devil because of the chorus"Now he we go lets stand and deliver and Be strong,laugh and,Shout,Shout,Shout,Shout At The Devil,Shout,Shout,Shout*next verse*"It's my favorite song:)!
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whoa, coolkid is going on a huge bumping spree.
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When people do extreme bumps, don't reply. Just let them learn for themselves...
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aye aye captain!
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"So, all you do is play video games?"
No. I actually spend more time reading about video games then actually playing them. I probably spent more time watching NSMB videos then it took me to complete it.
(Originally I intended this post to be sarcasm, but it may very well be true.)
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Why doesn't Glorb like Styx?
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1...2...3 i'm out of the forums from being banned.
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-I play tennis and baseball
-I'm an avid gardener
-I'm a cooking prodigy
and yet, people still get the impression that games rule my life. fortunately, not as many as when I was little.
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My mom is oddly indifferent about games. She doesn't ignore the ratings and knows I can't play some games, but otherwise doesn't know a thing about them. She thinks of them as more of a quick diversion than a hobby, although, once in a blue moon, she'll play something with me. My dad, though, knows nothing about games or computers at all.
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My parents are kinda like that, but the other way around(at least when they were still together). My dad knew the ratings, but really didn't care(he said I was mature enough), but not much other than that, and sometimes he would play games with me. My mom is oblivious to computers. I believe that she thinks a hardrive is something you do in a demolition derby.
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Heh, hard drive. Oh crap, I just thought of an immature pun involving that...never mind.
But now that I think of it, my Dad probably just feigns computer ignorance. I mean, he still knows almost nothing about them, but during a technology-related conversation he goes around randomly spewing "rams and roms and bits and bytes" (an actual quote), so some of it must be a joke. My mom, on the other hand, is pretty computer-savvy.
*snort* (hard drive!)
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My parents don't think Nintendo is destroying my life. It's the first thing they'll threaten to ground me from, but that never happens (because I'm good). I have a few family members who DO think Nintendo's rotting my mind, but they're wrong. Not stupid or evil, just wrong. But then my cousin in law, he not only plays video games, but he plays all kinds of video games. Last time I was there, he had a PS2, a GameCube, an XBOX, and a Dreamcast. Oh, and a GBA. But yeah, whenever video games are brought up around anti-gamers, I just give off the implication that "Nothing you say can make me stop..." And they give up.
But now that I think of it, yesterday... all I did was play video games. XD But that was just yesterday.
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As much as I'd love to play video games all day forever until I keel over, I unfortunately have work, which can range from taking 4 hours to a whole day. I will have to quit by September though since my parents work all night and my sister's going to college in the fall so I have to take care of my siblings. Then there's also my devotion to my many TV shows which takes about a couple hours each day depending on how long each show is. Then there's my little doodlings I do and my dog I take care of. There's also the internet which I'll usually use everyday for a couple of hours even If I really don't have anyplace in mind to go to, which usually results in me wasting time on Wikipedia, Uncyclopedia, YouTube, or the many Maddox knock offs. So yeah, video games don't rule my life, though seem people do get that impression when they see me since I'm always carrying my DS around with me.
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Why doesn't Glorb like Styx?
Yeah, Rock on CW! Styx rules. I came very close to seeing them in concert last year at the state fair.
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Yeah i think that so many people are just bombarding gamers with insults because they dont know the fun and enjoyment out of gaming.Some people(my dad)just think that videogamers just sit in a dark room with the screen on and rot their brain.Some people dont know that in the army or driving school they use video games to train people.And no videogames dont deprive us of socializeing.I met most of my freinds through video games.Sometimes it can be the chick magnet.Just get a game everybody knows how to play (NSMB) and then everybody can enjoy.With the Wii coming out lets hope this stereotype will deminsih.So to all the people who diss video games and they dont know anything about it.....[hush your face]!!!!!! The Big O has spoken.
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Exactly. Basically, games bashing has evolved from the 80's view of "it'll rot your brains" to the current view of "you won't make any friends playing games". It doesn't make any sense; in fact, it's hard NOT to make friends as a gamer, because there will always be someone who shares your hobby. I'm not entirely sure about it being a chick magnet...although my Wii would certainly be a chick magnet. Ba-dump-kssh!
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Suprisingly the DS lite seems to atract alot of attention.Maybe i had the right game?Maybe its the sleek look of the DS lite?Maybe i just got lucky?What ever it is i usually started taking my DS lite. ^_^' The Wii will defidently get lots of attention.(by the way if that was supposed to be a joke then...lol? I got the joke but ive heard it so many times.)
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STOP IT!!YOU ARE SO IMATURE MAN! Especialy when you made Funny character names!
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/me mind blows a fuse
Whaaaaaaaugh! Both of you! What would an English teacher think of such nightmarish grammar? I mean, I don't even put two spaces after punctuation, but no spaces at all?! Everyone who does that, IT MUST END!!!! And for the final time, it's C-H-A-R-A-C-T-E-R!!!!!!!!!
I'm sorry... I just have been cursed with grammar perfectionism. It's quite a burden in today's world... Also, the humorously ironic flaming should end before it begins.
Edit: Oh, look at that... It seems I made an error of thought... are you attempting to bash Glorb? If that's the case... WTD? That post of Glorb's was ok. It's all true. I've made friends through gaming, but I wouldn't go giving a synopsis of Majora's Mask to a girl on our first date. If that ever happens.
Edit 2: Note that I don't take back what I raged about. It's been driving me crazy.
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Wow, BP exploded. :o
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*Bashes Glorb*
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I wish I'd have been playing video games instead of reading the last several posts.
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You know, if video games weren't invented, there wouldn't be new entertainment, new technology, and less fan websites. I can't belive that stupid Jack Thompson guy. You can't actually SUE a company just because they think their games are immature. All these quotes are crap and they need to get one thing: A DANG LIFE! So TMKers and guest people, DO NOT...I repaet, DO NOT vote for Hillary Clinton or agree with Jack Thompson.
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I think coolkid's referring to this. (http://themushroomkingdom.net/board/index.php?topic=9441.0)
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At least that topic had "character" spelled correctly in the title.
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Yes, I like to keep it classy when making infantile jokes about Flash Man.
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Sorry man, but you hit my
"O NO HE DIDN'T!!!!!!!!11!!11!!11!!!1!1!!!1!!1one!!!1!111!!111!111!!1!!11!11!!1!!1!1!!1111!!!!1!!111" Button when you said Solid Snake.
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And by Flash man he did it,but took it out of hand with Solid Snake*barfs*,and if he likes *blank*ual content play Super Smash Bros. (The N64 one)and do an electric attack on Samus.NOTE:With Flash Man he ment hot flashes.
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Well, with Flash Man, it could go either way. BUT that's waaay off-topic. Plus, it was a joke. As in, not meant to be taken seriously. But anyway, I apologize to Solid Snake, Sodom, Flash Man, Wood Man, Hard Man, their fans, family members, next of kin and lawyers for any mental or physical damage I have most surely inflicted.
(By the way, what does "*blank*ual" mean?)
Now, BACK ON TOPIC.
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At my shool im a videogame nerd oh well life will go on.
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Exactly. And, I hope I don't offend, are there any other video game nerds at your school? There have to be. So I don't know where the stereotype of the lonely gamer ever came from. Maybe it came from the stereotype of the lonely nerd playing Dungeons & Dragons, but you still need one or two more buddies to play D&D.
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I have to agree that most gamers have to deal with unreasonable, rude, and downright unneccesary comments from people at one point or another. What really makes me mad is when my own family does it (I fixed that problem by getting introducing them to the wonders of the Mario Party franchise. Easy to explain and understand, and for non-gamers, it's easy to enjoy because of a lack of extreme complexity. Or, for that matter, much complexity. Yay for simple but effectively fun gameplay.). For instance, when I unwrapped my DS last Christmas, and was excited about it, my oldest sister (about 10 years older than me, she was 23 then) felt the need to insult my maturity by saying that until I stopped putting video game related items on my christmas list, I was still at least a little immature. I was about ready to smack her if it weren't for the holly-jolly-christmas-spirit floating about the room.
People assume that we're all either nerds, stupid, immature, rude, or all of the above. This goes with the 'Mario is for little kids' theory, too. I told one of my fanfiction-writing buddies that I was working on a fic for the Mario franchise, and she just laughed at me. It took me for freakin' ever to prove to her that there are some DARNED good fanfic oppurtunities in there, and that it was possible to have a big interest in the franchise at my age or older and still be mature.
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Oh, what a tangled web we weave. The following is a true story.
Early a few days ago, I was in my room, when I heard, of all things, my dad's train buddies coming over (the whole reason this topic was started). As I came out simply to get a glass of milk, one of them called me over. Apparently, through some kind-of cruel twist of fate, he had found out about this topic, and spent eight years telling me about how immature I was for starting it.
Okay, what? How did he even find out about this? That means that he is either a reader/member of this board, or someone told him about it. He acted as if I had spread vicious misinformation about him on the Internet, and tried to disprove everything I said. So my dad grounded me for a week, presumably as punishment for bad-mouthing his friend. I'm not really angry, just so annoyed that someone can hold a grudge against me for telling the truth.
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Glorb, I feel for you. That is just plain rediculous. Those train-loving yahoos need to be slapped (No offense to your father). However, what exactly did that guy say to try and "disprove" you? How did the event go along?
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Well, to be honest I forget those details, although he brought up various things about how he didn't tell me to "get a life" (which he did) or how his wife didn't bring up videogames (which she did) and how she never spoke in italics (which she did).
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OK. That guy needs to be slapped twice as hard.
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O____O WTD?! That sucks hardcore, Glorb! I'm so sorry to hear that you have to endure that kind of crud! Somebody needs to teach that little train-dork (No offense to your dad) and his wife a lesson, dude!
.... Although, the worst part of this is, he (or his informer) may still be checking up on this topic every now and then.
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Eh, I wouldn't really mind. For all I know, my Dad could've just found it, mentioned it off-handedly in a conversation (he does that too often) and his friend then made a big deal of it, who knows? I'm not too offended, though; in fact, so far I haven't been actually grounded (i.e., I kept all my privleges) so I doubt my dad actually ment it.
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Sorry dude, that definatley isn't cool. Now, I have a bunch of relatives who collect trains, and play chess, and that sort of thing. I kinda take chess as a timeless thing, but on topic, board games, trains, and all that great stuff was the form of entertainment at the time. Videogames, movies, the internet, are what people like to play around with now. So, simillar concepts maybe?
Also im really confused about that guy being mad about this message board. Somewhere in the ballpark of everyone here plays videogames... so everyone here needs a life? so does that mean you two could get counsoling together? My other point here, is if you lied so much about him, how did he know you were talking about him, or if this "glorb" guy has any relationship to "that kid i ever so politley commented on videogames about"
But whatever...
Oh, and his wife should have taken well to the witty italics comment
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I'd just talk to the person about it. There's nothing wrong with a good debate. My uncle has trains, yet, one night when he came over for dinner, we played a few games of Mario Kart (he was actually pretty good, to my surprise). I'm still wondering how he could find out about this topic, though... :\
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Perhaps this train-loving friend of Glorb's dad leads a secret life of enjoying videogames and discuss on the Internet; a life that only his wife knows about. :P
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Hehe, that would be funny. I'll just forget about the whole incident, really; the guy found out about me being on this forum because I mentioned it in a conversation one day (though, surprisingly, he cared nothing about that).
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Sometimes I play foosball. I had to move the table out to make a nursery, but plan to set it back up in the garage.
http://www.funnyjunk.com/movies/211/Cool%20Foosball%20Trick/stream
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Ooh, I love foosball! It's, like, football, but misspelled!
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Foosball < Air Hockey < Pool, in my opinion. I need a pool table. I also need a bowling alley in a basement.
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Foosball < Air Hockey < Pool, in my opinion. I need a pool table. I also need a bowling alley in a basement.
I need all of those in my house.
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I need four of those in my house, so I can keep up with my friend and his fancy-pants brand-new $400 Xbox 360...grumble...I should've gotten that! It's not fair!
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What, so you can just stare at it? The 360 hasn't got any fabulous games, except for Elder Scrolls IV:Oblivion. I felt the same way when my friend got a PSP, but now that I have one, I'm bored with it, and I play my DS much,much more.
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Well, I obviously won't buy it for function; those games are too expensive! I'd get is as a status symbol, really. Well, that and Full Auto. I'm freakin' addicted to that game.
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Meh, my only reason for buying a 360 ever will be if Rare finally releases Killer Instinct 3. I loved the first two, and I'm still befuddled by how in the world they could've ever stopped making these awesome fighters.
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The 360 hasn't got any fabulous games, except for Elder Scrolls IV:Oblivion.
Actually, I liked Call of Duty 2.
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Meh, my only reason for buying a 360 ever will be if Rare finally releases Killer Instinct 3. I loved the first two, and I'm still befuddled by how in the world they could've ever stopped making these awesome fighters.
You mean because of the "SSSUUUUUUPPEEEERRR UUUULLLLLLLTRAAAAAA COOOOOMMMBBBOOOOOOOO!!!!!!" announcer? I love that announcer.
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I just read this incredibly long thread now, so I'll offer my take on it the best I can.
First off, the original question. I've never been asked this with one exception--late night at hotels. On a team trip or something where a bunch of guys go together, I always get a single room because of insomnia which would keep everyone else up late. (If you ever notice some of my posts come at 2:00 AM eastern time then you probably have found out I have sleeping problems). Anyway, for the past few years, I've taken my Game Cube with MLB 2004/2005 (depending on the year I went) and played baseball games at night to help me relax. I didn't want to take my laptop since it cost $1700 when I got it new in 2000 and the Game Cube was only $250 when you add the game in there too (I got the Game Cube in 2001 so I could play the then-new version of baseball).
Any time other than 11:00-2:00 AM on trips, nobody's ever asked me if I play too many video games. In fact, I often have been asked if I even own a system. I think it's because I don't talk about the games that much unless I'm talking about some baseball team I put together.
Second, the train collection issue. I actually have a wooden set of trains called "Brio" from Sweden. They used to sell them at a store called "Walden Kids" and I had a whole set when I was younger. Today I still get it out to put it under my Christmas tree. It's not one of those electric Lionel sets like my grandfather has, but it's unique. I'm not a serious train collector though I do have all the original boxes for my set. My grandfather and uncle, however, are Lionel collectors, though they don't go out of their way to get parts or anything. They just keep using the sets from when they were young every Christmas.
If you really are into trains, I suggest the Carnegie Science Center in Pittsburgh. They have a room about half the size of a gymnasium with a huge model railroad village set up, complete with lighting and sound effects. It's a truly unique exhibit for anyone, train collector or not.
And finally, about buying new systems for a game. I wanted a Game Cube baseball game for the improvement in graphics. I've found they can actually improve the graphics over time with these games. The reason I bought the Nintendo system is because nobody ever made one for my iBook. However, I've grown to like the controls of the baseball game on the Nintendo. I probably won't be buying a next generation Nintendo (it's called the Wi now, right?) unless some really cool baseball game even better than MLB 2005 comes out for it. But since E.A. Sports quit developing baseball games, I've been disappointed in not having a new one to look forward to every now and then.
I also see posts about chess and board games. I'm more a card game player myself, but I have chess on my computer and I like to play it before I have to take a huge math or science exam so I can get my brain going. Of course, I also usually have AIM in the background and will chat during my games. This might explain why I usually only win at chess 25% of the time against the computer.
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Dude, EA bites according to the internet. You should at least give Wii Sports a chance, since it probably has baseball on it (correct me if I'm wrong).
Glorb: I love the announcer too, but he's not my reason for my love of that game. The stage music rocked, some more than others. All the characters were incredibly unique, except for Jago and TJ Combo. They seemed too generic for me. And I freakin' loved when I used to get totally squashed by my opponent only to use a combobreaker every time they had me. Thank Norris for Cinder and Spinal.
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This may seem like the wrong time, but here's something for you to read up on, AB:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_Games
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The only people that have given me any trouble about my love of video games are a few people at school. Though I don't think anything of it, since they're really dumb...18 years old in freshman classes dumb. Other than that I either don't mention gaming, or have just have a quick discussion with some of my friends. My parents used to play the NES, but that's about it. Even though they don't play now, they've never had a problem with the games I play. Every so often I'll talk about different systems with my father, since he hears about the X-box and PS2 from the people at his work, though we stick to the basic pros and cons of each system.
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"So, all you do is play video games?"
If I got asked that, I'd say "Yep, and proooooouuuuuuuud of it!"
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Heh. Never thought of that response. By the way, I'm very glad AbercrombieBaseball gave the train side of the issue; it was informative, and didn't feel like a rant at all.
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Chef--I found the article very interesting and definitely learned a few things. What amazes me is that the video game industry seems to parallel the music industry to a degree, having multiple genres, platforms (much like tapes, CD, MP3, records, etc), controversies, etc. If only the music industry would adopt a better rating system like the ones used by movies and software.
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Ya got that right, AB. But video games are actually more closely wtched by watchdog groups as opposed to music and film due it being reletively new in comparison. There's been plenty of contoversy surrounding video games since the early ninties, and although it sorta died down a bit, it's still clearly there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_controversy
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Again, another great read. A lot of this stuff brings back memories. I remember the Columbine deal and how they cited violent video games as a possible influence for the two boys. And I've definitely heard about Grand Theft Auto on the news.
Even those Mortal Combat arcade machines bring back memories. I stayed at a Holiday Inn in 1994 and there was one in the vending area, and my mom made a comment that she was shocked they'd put one of those things in a hotel. She then said she was happy her son played Math Blaster on the computer :-)
I agree that they watch games more closely. I think not only is it the newness of the material (music has been around forever as have movies) but also the age group. Most video gamers are 30 and under, with a good majority falling in the 10-24 range. Because the country places such a huge emphasis on the youth (they need someone to replace all those baby boomers, after all) they are always looking out for them and they think that games are the number one cause, from what I can see. Just a thought, though.
Any more good reads would be appreciated, Chef! Haven't felt that good today so I've been in a lot and it''s been good just to sit back and read!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo
I figured I'd give you one about the ultimate company, AB. It's got quite a history.
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One detail you should always, always remember... This man (http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/2536/jackthompsonux4.png) is Jack Thompson.
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Fortunately, no one really takes that guy seriously anymore.
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I read this topic back when it was a wee lad, but at the time I never actually considered the question: People who like to give advice are generally annoying and more ignorant than they realize, so I wouldn't care if someone told me I play video games too much. Reading some of the topic the second time around, I realized that the people barking orders in this world are all old. It's like there's a direct proportion between age and the amount of advice one gives. Perhaps old people are scared and need to grasp for whatever worth they can project onto others--but I'm just calling it like I see it.
Anyway, I'm old by many people's standards, so I hope I'm not giving unwanted advice without realizing it...
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I'll be Jack Thompson's never played a good, quality Nintendo game in his life. There's not much logic when he's making all of his opinions based on the Grand Theft Autos or the Halos out there, you know, just the violent games. yet he claims that all games are evil. Not much for logic, there, and he's fighting a losing battle.
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Jack Thompson's never played any games. I'm sure that he just looks at a few still pictures of gameplay from magazine ads and then fills in the blanks with his demented logic from there. Remember, he said that the D.C. Beltway Sniper was a young kid who played Halo (he didn't even own an Xbox) and rode around in a bike from killing to killing (he never rode a bike) with the sniper rifle in his backpack (neither sniper mentioned anything of the sort). In addition, he stated matter-of-factly that Halo has an in-game option to turn a God-mode cheat on/off (Halo never had cheats). That's how he does everything: he hears a vague summary of the game from an overexcited, overprotective parent, adds in ridiculous, easily-debunked lies to fill in the blanks and then calls it the truth, which the overprotective parents believe; it's a vicious cycle. ANd then, of course, whenever anyone disagrees with him, he calls them stupid.
Case in point: Jack Thompson has never won any game-related lawsuit in his entire "career" as an "attorney".
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Wow! Now I know what(Or in this case,who)caused the controversy.And I thought it was Night Trap and Mortle 'K'ombat.
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Jack Thompson is not a threat to the gaming society. He's just a crazy kook who insists on making people believe video games make for violent children. Seriously, it's the parents who are to blame for that, Johnny.
The only thing that had happened to video games because of him was that one state created a law that bans children under 17 from purchasing M rated games. That's a law that I thought should've existed since the creation of ESRB.
Common sense, don't you think? Little children's minds are very impressionable. The parents need to see what they watch or play. The ESRB rating clearly shows on the descriptors what's in the game. If the child insists their parents to purchase a game with an M-rating, they need to know if their children can tell the difference between reality and fiction, and are mature enough for the game (hence the rating title).
As for children who are old enough to play the games, well, that's a different story.
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Chef--thanks for another great read. I had no idea Nintendo made playing cards before getting into the game business, nor did I think they were that old. I'd always just thought it was a video game company and came about in the 1980s!
Now, as for the "M" rating. I'm all for the law being passed prohibiting the purchase of these games. Card the kids like they do when people buy beer.
I personally hate those shooting games and would never buy one for a child of mine. Did they lead to events like Columbine? Maybe. I can still recall the day it happened (April 20, 1999) and I remember hearing the kids played something like Mortal Combat or Doom or something like that on their computers. I also remember they said the kids listened to Maralyn Manson.
Now I wouldn't go and point fingers at games and music first. I'd investigate the mental history of them. Games and music with bad content might trigger something, but you've got to have the problem in the first place.
There was this kid in my economics class in high school who obsesesd about Halo all the time but he probably would never kill anyone as a result. He just didn't have the brain problem to do so. He was a pretty good guy.
This doesn't mean you have to play the games/watch the movies/hear the music to be bad. Adolf Hitler killed people listening to Richard Wagner (a German composer who composed harmless stuff--it's pretty good even if you're not into classical music). And he certainly didn't play Halo.
Conclusion: Can games trigger violent behavior? Yes. Can they cause it? No. That's the job of brain disorders.
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That's why I'm taking Psychology this year in High School. I want to help further proove the point that violent VGs only cause violence in underaged, impressionable children, and the mentally unstable. My dad thinks violent VGs cause violence in children. I need to teach him the ESRB rating system, and why it exists. Would I let my child play Metroid Prime? Not till he/she is at least 10 or 12. Would I let my child play Mario Kart? Definitely!
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Ya, I did a speech explaining how the media is NOT to blame for juvenile violence, and that parents need to stop being incredibly lax about what their children witness.
Tested out of an incredibly annoying class in college despite "staring at the ceiling for most of the speech."
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Some of the people that accuse the media of causing violence in children are parents who don't want to be held responsible for their child's actions. One of the biggest responsibilities in raising a child is knowing what they watch, listen to, and/or play. If those people don't want to take on that responsibility, why did they become parents in the first place?
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Well, obviously, it's because they don't want to be blamed for anything. I'm noticed that that's essentially America's mindset now: Don't take the blame, blame someone else. I'm really not politically-minded in any way, but basically, that's how everyone acts. On one of those Bill O'Reilly-type shows, I actually heard the following phrase: "Well, I'm not pointing the finger at anyone, but I really think it's George Bush's fault for ..." I mean, really, that's the most hypocritical thing I've ever heard.
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I don't think I've ever been too terribly berated for playing. I mean, if I played for hours and hours at a time my parents would say it was enough. And I admit I could have had more of a social life in elementary and middle school, but I was quiet and introvertial. If anything, video games have helped develop my respect for the beautiful things humans can create, beautiful emotions they can conjure, the majesty of a well-placed song, and helped me keep my imagination vibrant and healthy even when I'm almost 20. Now, I have a ton of friends, I'm a very assertive and charismatic person, but I can say I've spent hours and hours playing my DS in the past week.
My point? I think playing Super Mario Bros./Duck Hunt on my Nintendo Entertainment System when I was 4 or 5 was one of the most beneficial things I've done in my life, and I'll argue tooth and nail any Hillary Clinton or Jack Thompson who tries to tell me otherwise.
But I think I've never been berated because I consistently shot down arguments against me. I feel bad for younger people who have to take unnecessary degrading comments from elders about their chosen hobby and what they enjoy. I seriously wish somebody would organize some sort of coalition or make a petition to eradicate a small misunderstanding like this one. Granted, it's human nature to misunderstand and then to be hateful and prejudice, and I'd like to see all of it gone, but it's going to be a while.
In any case... Vive la Resistance!
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I'd say just about the weirdest thing ever just happened to me on my birthday a few days ago. My parents got me a new PS2 to replace my old one (which was uncommon enough for them) and even got me a copy of GTA: Vice City, despite what they've heard on TV. I didn't even ask for it, they just bought it for me. Great game, but after playing San Andreas it seems fairly tame in comparison.
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So, all you do is play video games? Well, that's because it's addicting, as addicting as crack or gambling, according to Jack Thompson as his group.
This (http://www.businessweek.com/innovate/content/sep2006/id20060915_549072.htm?chan=tc&campaign_id=rss_tech) is one of his latest attempts for the end of videogame.
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Hmm, interesting angle...for once, Jack's actually "tackling" a real, legitamte problem. Now, I know that it's very possible to become addicted to games, but Thompson's just going to blow it out of proportion by comparing gamers to crack addicts and child murderers, so he's basically making it worse. Just a little prediction there.
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I agree.
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I would have popped that guy and his wife a nice Fat Lip... if they said that to me. No-one judges me if they don't even know me, what about your Dad? Did he say anything Glorb?