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Author Topic: That Whole "Metroid Prime (Trilogy) is the Citizen Kane of Videogames" Thing  (Read 14859 times)

ShadowBrain

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« on: October 09, 2009, 07:00:11 PM »
A couple links concerning something you've probably heard about:

http://www.gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=99855
http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=8765863
http://www.destructoid.com/why-comparing-metroid-prime-to-citizen-kane-is-ludicrous-151465.phtml

Well, it seems like we've got a couple camps here: People who think MP is the Citizen Kane of games, people who don't, people who think it's irrelevant, and people who think the comparison is just plain unneeded and innacurate. Where do you stand? And, if you do think games "need" or "have" "a Citizen Kane", what is it?
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« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2009, 07:58:27 PM »
If anything, that title probably belongs to Super Mario Bros.: Much as Citizen Kane revolutionized filmmaking with Welles' groundbreaking techniques, SMB completed the Atari 2600's concept of bringing video games into the home, singlehandedly revitalized the gaming industry after the video game crash of 1983, and became the benchmark against which all releases were compared until the dawn of 3D gaming.
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Forest Guy

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« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2009, 09:15:49 PM »
I stand on the ground that the comparison itself is unneeded and was a stupid idea. I think metroid Prime Trilogy is one of the great games to come out in a long time, but the comparison was just plain silly.
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« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2009, 11:36:55 PM »
He said that the silliest sentence you'll ever read is "In the same way that Citizen Kane... [blah blah, comparison] ...Metroid Prime uses all of its technology to recreate the experience of a woman abandoned on an alien world inhabited by the ghosts of its prelapsarian inhabitants". I disagree that it's because it ignores the historical and artistic weight. It's because the premise of being on an alien world inhabited by ghosts of Chozos sounds stupid when taken out of context. Doesn't sound like a storyline worthy of a Newbury Medal. Recreate the experience of a woman lost on some hostile world, oh boy. While it is a great game and I liked the wealth of history that Samus learned about her world along the way, you just can't describe Metroid Prime's setting like that and expect it to hold a candle to the typical Oscar-winner "troubled man looks inside himself and finds the inner strength he had all along, helping him achieve the American Dream". You'd be better off with... heck, what it says on the top of Watership Down: "The timeless classic novel of exile, courage and survival." Just throw in adjectives about Samus's experience, then it'd stand better ground in comparison.

I don't like thinking about what games stand out as revolutionary and worthy of recognition in other fields. Mainly because of the same reason I don't like watching old films - great for their time, but things have moved on, old techniques improved on, it's all stuff we've seen before. Plus, having been a Nintendo fan my whole life, there's inevitably a lot of other games worthy of mention that I never played or heard of, so I wouldn't feel "qualified". That said, I still like the idea of putting Shadow of the Colossus out there as a contender, just for being so drastically different from anything else at the time and being beautiful and straightforward despite running on hardware that can barely keep up with what's demanded.

In retrospect Metroid Prime's not a game I'd play again soon, it just seems too "involved". Epic and "everybody must play this"-worthy, yes. But in the same vein as Chrono Trigger, it's something I'll play once or twice before putting it down forever or waiting a few years for all the memories to fade. Besides, I'm busy playing a forgotten SNES game called Claymates. Hands up for anyone who recognizes the title (no, I'm not talking about the Clay Aiken fanclub). It's... not perfect by a long shot, and at first glance it looks very kiddy, but it's quirky and fun enough that something compels me to keep playing it. Man, I should have dumped Clayfighter like a lead balloon, Claymates was a lot more fun.

You can't judge a game like a movie, fair and simple. It's more about entertainment (and like in any medium, personal experiences. I failed in enough humorous ways early on in "Okami" to believe that point). I think I can see why there's a preference for shorter simpler games. While there's also the pleasure of overcoming tough challenges and powerful storylines, something simple can be just as enjoyable. Try the pack-in episode of Knytt Stories (free PC game) or your favorite addictive Flash game of choice.

I just realized another reason why that comparison sentence is silly. In that sentence (in the part I omitted), Citizen Kane is mentioned with describing the man's character. The same wasn't given to Samus, so it's an unfair comparison. And what's up with "prelapsarian"? Who's going to know that word? Just call them sentient birds.

*looks up word* "Of or relating to the period before the fall of Adam and Eve."
...Like I said, you should have called them frickin' birds.
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Glorb

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« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2009, 04:59:45 AM »
"Prelapsarian" sounds fancy tho.

Anyway, I feel that comparisons like these are useless. A game is a game and a movie is a movie, and I think the only way this industry will ever come into its own is if we stop trying to compare them. You don't see any book people touting any books as the Citizen Kane of Books, do you? Likewise, there are no Citizens Kane of music, etc. etc. Really, comparing anything to Citizen Kane only makes you look like a pretentious dweeb who has probably never actually seen Citizen Kane. It also cheapens both works you are comparing, turning Citizen Kane into nothing more than a byword for "good movie".

A better comparison would be to Half-Life: It's a story told masterfully through events instead of exposition. The two games have different flows, but still achieve the goal of putting the player into the story instead of just have the player watch the story unfold from a distance.
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« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2009, 10:35:57 AM »
Rosebud was his sled.
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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2009, 10:49:22 AM »
Rosebud was his sled.
Snape kills Trinity with Rosebud!
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Tv_Themes

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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2009, 10:55:49 AM »
I've never even seen Citizen Kane, but I know thanks to the likes of Family Guy, The Simpsons, and Charles Schultz.

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Glorb

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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2009, 04:12:09 PM »
Tyler Durden and Edward Norton are the same person and water kills the aliens from Signs!!
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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2009, 04:37:30 PM »
If it isn't human, it'll hurt Mario if he touches it. This also goes for Pianta's, Noki's and Robots.
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ShadowBrain

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« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2009, 07:37:12 PM »
I'd copy+paste that header they put on spoiler-related pages on Uncyclopedia, but my heart just isn't in it.

Anyway, back to the topic, I'll skip the seemingly obligatory extended essay on why Metroid Prime (Trilogy? The video was footage from it, but all the guy explicitly mentioned was the original. Maybe he's one of those guys who considers all three one extended, LotR-esque saga) is, isn't, or doesn't need to be the CK of VGs and just say this: Is it a great game? Yes, yes, yes. Was it at all that revolutionary? Not incredibly, no, or at least not to the level that a Kane Komparison would imply.

Also, back off the topic: Midna goes back to normal at the end of Twilight Princess and she's hot.
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« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2009, 07:45:25 PM »
Snape kills Dumbledore, Darth Vader is Luke's father, and Metroid, whose name is actually Samus, is a girl.

Although it's been fairly well established that MP isn't the Citizen Kane of video games, would anyone here recommend it? I'll be enduring a veritable gaming famine in the time between the releases of NSMBW and Pokemon HG/SS, so Trilogy could be worth considering.
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ShadowBrain

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« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2009, 07:47:18 PM »
Wait, are you saying you haven't played Metroid Prime?
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« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2009, 08:00:10 PM »
It's a great game. Go for it. Hopefully the Wii controls will make controlling Samus more bearable, as it's not easy to fight a boss in the original GameCube game when you can't strafe. But as I never got used to the Wii controls in MP3, I wouldn't benefit at all from the trilogy. Couldn't get anywhere in the second game anyway due to that stupid dark world (or should I say purple world).
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ShadowBrain

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« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2009, 08:03:36 PM »
I've bought and beaten all three, so I'm not really planning on getting the Trilogy, however tempting its bells and whistles may be.
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