Reviving topics with coherent messages is fine. It's the all too common "Sony and Microsoft suck", without any reasoning as to why, are what is unwelcome.
"I have a console adaptor and a screen in my car. The PlayStation 2 runs for an hour or so and then trips itself and resets.
The GameCube can go and go and hardly 'breaks a sweat;' never once has it reset, frozen, or told me that a brand new game was 'dirty.'"
Drawing information from your experiences is fine, however, you must realize that it will not hold up in an argument.
I, too, have a console adapter in a vehicle, and have used both my GCN and PS2, and to be honest, I have had no trouble with either. In fact, a friend played the PS2 almost straight, during the 9 hour trip to Baltimore, last summer. I have not seen, nor heard of any trouble with the PS2 in this regard.
"Honestly, the GCN is more user-friendly."
More user friendly. I wouldn't agree with this. Mostly because the term is relative. Both systems operate in a similar manner, leaving little leeway for one to be better for electronic novices.
"And while they don't have as many games being pumped out by supportive companies, the games they do make are all pretty much high-quality."
I do agree. Nintendo has quite the reputation for its first party games, where as neither Sony or Microsoft has been successful with this. Unfortunately, that's where it ends for Nintendo. Granted, things seemed to look up a bit, with the release of the Cube, but lately I've noticed little 3rd party support. After Tales of Symphonia, or Resident Evil 4, I am unable to think of a big name game being developed that's 3rd party.
So, where Sony and Microsoft lose in 1st party games, they more than make up for it in 3rd party support.
"I think we've all heard the old saying, 'Quality over quantity.'"
Indeed we have. However, the Cube is not lacking in its share of "low-end" games, either. Of course, with more 3rd party support, there will be more of these said games, but that's what happens.
I would say that argument would be valid, if you were forced to purchase every game for the system you chose, but you aren't, so if there's a bad game, you simply don't buy it.
"The colors are rather charming--stale black on black with blue or green mixed in is just really more of a turn off."
If you're going to judge a system by it's looks, than you really have no right to make the argument concerning the extra DVD-features and etc. being a bad thing. If you're hung up on colors as opposed to the gaming experience, I don't see where having a DVD player would matter.
"Anyone can play a GameCube game without much worry. When I was 10 my older friend rented Resident Evil, and my mother took it away and put it up on the refridgerator where I couldn't get it."
Resident Evil is also available on the GameCube. I don't see the relevance of your comment.
"Nintendo has a considerable amount of popular mascots, who've had a good series. All my friends and even those who have graduated and gone to college all played Mario, loved StarFox 64, know who Yoshi is, hate Kirby (but know him), know Donkey Kong, and naturally, Pokemon gets a lot of attention (both positive and negative attention.)"
That's good for Nintendo, sure, as exposure helps sell, but I don't see how having mascots adds anything to the system's worth. Whether I'm playing a company's cash-crop game, or just another 3rd party game, I'm happy if it's fun, and enjoyable.
"It's all personal choice, though. What do any of us care to argue people over to Nintendo's side? Let the games and the company do the talking for themselves. I think Time will show who comes out on top, when Nintendo is working hard on games that a whole lot of people around the world are anticipating, and Sony is mass-producing a cheap, planned-obsolescence Stereo system."
It is personal preference, indeed. In knowing that, I find the above statement quite hypocritical, as you state we shouldn't argue about it, but then blatantly mock Sony. In doing so, you're inviting an argument.
"For those who love to game, the GameCube and other Nintendo products are the way to go.
For the college student who wants to stay up and occasionally play games with roommates, who isn't smart enough to invest in the virtual infinite replay value of games in the Mario Party, Mario Golf, Mario Tennis, and Mario Kart series... PS2 and X-Box are more likely to be played."
And with a mind-set like that, one would miss out on a slew of great games. In fact, they'd miss out on many of my personal favorites. But hey, since I don't agree with you, I guess I fall into the category of a college kid who isn't smart. I'm sure glad there are people I don't know to let me know such things. Thanks.
"The Final Fantasy series and the GTA series are all PS2 really has. And Final Fantasy, the "dream," per se, began on Nintendo."
Personal opinions aren't facts. I could just as easily say that "The Mario and Zelda series are all that Nintendo has." And yet, I'm sure many, if not all, of you would jump all over that.
"After two days of driving around and shooting and grabbing up white packages and dealing with large Italian men... GTA gets old. That's why people rent that one, and buy Mario Kart: Double Dash!! Trust me on this, I have a lot of gaming friends (between the ages of 13 and 20)."
Great! Let's form an opinion of a system based on one game!
"BM, you love to defend the other systems, eh? "
I like to defend what I believe.
"Yes, whoever said that the top 16 PS2 games were RPGs were right. If you take out the RPGs, then you have what, 4 or 5 games?"
Yeah, and if you take out all of the criminals in our world, you'd have a perfect society. So what?
"The PS2 controller was way too complicated. They steal the SNES controller then turn it into a computer. SIX trigger buttons? PLEASE! Who needs R1, R2, R3, L1, L2, and then L3?! Then you have two controller sticks placed at the bottom where a normal length thumb would be uncomfortable, then a poorly built D-Pad (sticks too much on all controllers) where your primary control stick should be. Then they put shapes on the buttons to cover up stealing A, B, X, and Y."
Complicated? The PS2 controller is an SNES controller with 2 more shoulder triggers. I'm not sure what controller you're looking at, but there are 4 buttons on the top of the controller -- R1, R2, L1, and L2. R3 and L3 are on the Analog sticks. And on that topic, the analog sticks seem perfectly placed to me. It seems to be a personal problem, if you do not find them comfortable. It would seem to me that you're looking for things to complain about. Such is the matter with the D-pad. I find it no different from any other D-pad, in terms of difficulty of use.
I find the way the D-pad and Analog sticks are placed to be fine for using both together, as well.
As for "stealing" the design of the SNES controller, "Don't fix what isn't broken", they say.
"The combonations on the PS2 are too infinite as proves in Tekken Tag Tournament. Dude, a high kick to some other dumb move would be like "Circle, Circle, Down-Right, Left, Triangle, L1, R2, L1, R3, Square, L3, Right, Left, Up, Down Triangle, Triangle, Triangle, X, X, X." A strong punch would be (for real), 'Down-Right, Up-Right, Circle, Triangle, Circle, Triangle, Circle, Triangle, Circle, Triangle, Circle.'"
Your problem is with Tekken, not with the PS2. The way moves are executed in other fighters depends on the engine. I assume you're comparing the moves to a game such as Tekken to that of Super Smash Brothers/Melee. And while SSB/M works in it's own respect, other companies like to reward those who take the time to master the timing and button combinations. If you think that is "stupid," that's fine. Don't play the games. Yet, to formulate an opinion of a system based on a particular game's engine seems infantile.
"Yes, the PS2 adds all the un-neccesary crap like DVD players to cover up the suckiness of the games, I believe. Hahhahaha, suckiness; I like that word."
That's nice that you believe that. Yet, I don't find that very convincing, either. Why not try to prove what you're saying, instead of worthlessly bashing it?
"Yeah, the PS2 wouldn't be here without Nintendo because PS2 were allies until Nintendo didn't celebrate some gay tradition, so they split up and Sony makes their own crappy system as I've stated before."
It is true that the PSX was created after a falling out between Nintendo and Sony, but who's to say that the system would never have been developed otherwise? Sony obviously had some sort of interest in the business, if they sought a deal with Nintendo in the first place.
And, I do believe it was Nintendo who ultimately decided to cancel the deal.
"Mr. Wiggles, that was one of the funniest things I've heard at these forums for quite a while. "PS2ers are gay, but cover it up by playing GTA." HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I would agree with you and it rhymes!!!!!!! Although, hey, it's just the "HARDCORE" PS2ers that are gay."
It's also quite immature.
It's nice that we can say we hold to a certain level of maturity here at The Fungi Forums.
"Markio, the statement you made was equally funny and bashing: "Play-With-Yourself-Station..." HAHAHAH, I couldn't help but laugh while typing the quote!"
See above response.
"As Mario says: 'Stay in school, don't do drugs, and eat lots of pasta. Or maybe not... just hang around that Shoryumoto guy enough, and maybe he'll work you into a few games.'"
I'm afraid anything I could say would only take away from this statement.
Edited by - Black Mage on 5/23/2004 2:34:04 PM
