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Miscellaneous => General Chat => Topic started by: Luigison on July 20, 2011, 12:45:52 PM
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No cheating. Don't post your answer other than in the poll above until the poll ends. After a week fell free to post your answer, method, and why you or others might have got it wrong.
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What's with you, math polls, and subject-verb disagreement
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3) Crud. I changed my mind on the title and edited right before posting with out reading it first. 2) What's wrong with a math poll? Math is fun. So is learning from mistakes. 1) I'm tired. I haven't slept well with this heat. This is my first multi-story house and I hadn't realized how much of a temperature difference there can be between the bottom floor and the top floor in a bedroom on the opposite end of the house from the A/C.
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Math is fun.
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Math is fun.
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Math is fun.
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Yeah man, math is totally rad.
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Judging from the poll results, there are a lot of people here who need to go back to sixth grade.
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Just when I was beginning to think the stereotypes about Americans are wrong...
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Judging from the poll results, there are a lot of people here who need to go back to sixth grade.
Yes. Right now the results are:
1
8 (44.4%)
2
0 (0%)
3
0 (0%)
4
0 (0%)
5
0 (0%)
6
2 (11.1%)
7
0 (0%)
8
0 (0%)
9
8 (44.4%)
10
0 (0%)
Parenheses come first!
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Ha ha. I like how you agree and got it wrong. See you in sixth grade next year.
Also, thanks for not posting the results. I had them set so that others couldn't see them until after they answered or a week had passed to give everyone a chance and to reduce cheating, but with 18 votes now most people have had a chance anyway I guess.
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Ha ha. I like how you agree and got it wrong. See you in sixth grade next year.
Also, thanks for not posting the results. I had them set so that others couldn't see them until after they answered or a week had passed to give everyone a chance and to reduce cheating, but with 18 votes now most people have had a chance anyway I guess.
I just relized that I did it in the wrong order after reading my post.
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Ha ha. I like how you agree and got it wrong. See you in sixth grade next year.
Pssh, whatever dude, what grade were you supposed to learn "does this in your head" is not a sentence
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I said I'd see him in sixth grade because I needed to go back there too, but maybe I need to take a pre-school grammar class.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-e8fzqv3CE.
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It's 1. It's 1. Darn it the answer is 1. Operations in parentheses are always handled first. (as for the linked video which I didn't watch, the answer should be 2)
People will ask whether the equation is poorly written, or ambiguous, or why TI-whatever calculators give the wrong answer. You know what, I don't care anymore. It seems people look for any reason to avoid that unflinching rule that parentheses are dealt with first. Including changing 2(3) to 2 * 3 and then claiming that since multiplication has the same precedence as division, that we should go left to right. The problem there is that the parentheses were downgraded to multiplication. I strongly believe that 2(3) = (2 * (3)), not 2 * 3. Here's a better example, let's change that 3 to y. We have 2y. That's (2 * y), not 2 * y. Therefore the equation is 6 / 2y. If you think the answer to that is 3y, I weep for you.
This should also teach you to put everything in parentheses when dealing with a TI-whatever calculator. It's probably giving the wrong answer because it can't see 2(3) as (2 * (3)), or because it thinks the wrong behavior is more intuitive.
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Sorry for the bump, but this problem just first page on digg and undoubtedly has been making the rounds on Facebook:
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/03/facebook_math_problem_why_pemdas_doesn_t_always_give_a_clear_answer.single.html
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“To my mind,” says Grabiner, “the major deficit in U.S. math education is that people think math is about calculation and formulas and getting the one right answer, rather than being about exciting ideas that cut across all sorts of intellectual categories, clear and logical thinking, the power of abstraction and a language that lets you solve problems you’ve never seen before.” Even if that language, like any other, can be a bit ambiguous sometimes.
^^^
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This isn't really that interesting as I'm assuming everyone here can multiply, add and divide numbers under ten. This is just a test to see whether someone remembers a particular syntax for operation precedence, which mathematicians probably don't care about. It's better to just use parenthese to avoid misinterpretations/mistakes.
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More than half the people who have voted in this thread have gotten the question wrong. That's absolutely "interesting," and why it's been brought up over and over.
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But the only "interesting" thing is whether or not you do (6/2) * (1+2) or 6/(2*(1+2)). Which again, is just some boring syntactical thing, not really anything regarding mathematical understanding.
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Exactly. Personally, I do find discussions about syntax like this really interesting, both in math and language, but debating the distinction between synecdoche and metonymy is a very different thing from reading or writing a great novel; likewise, examining the history of the obelus symbol and arguing over notation conventions has little to do with real math.