Post by: Jman on July 16, 2004, 10:49:11 PM
Edited by - Jman on 7/16/2004 9:51:57 PM
Post by: nintendofreak on July 17, 2004, 12:18:07 AM
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Post by: Markio on July 17, 2004, 12:36:23 AM
Anyway, what's so bad about not banning gay marriage? So what if it's nasty, or wrong, or whatever else people think of it? That's the way some people are, and I doubt banning gay marriage can change their homosexual ways, if that's even what makes not banning gay marriage bad. Can't you guys grab some tolerance out of the refrigerator and let other people be the way they are?
I wish I was in the forest with a dragon right now.
Post by: nintendofreak on July 17, 2004, 12:44:42 AM
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Post by: Markio on July 17, 2004, 01:00:38 AM
I wish I was in the forest with a dragon right now.
Post by: Koopaslaya on July 17, 2004, 09:30:21 AM
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Post by: NintendoIke64 on July 17, 2004, 09:57:12 AM
''Procrastinate now. Don’t put it off.'' -Ellen Degeneres
Post by: Markio on July 17, 2004, 01:06:56 PM
I wish I was in the forest with a dragon right now.
Post by: Lizard Dude on July 17, 2004, 06:09:57 PM
America going down the crapper would have been if the amendment was approved. 'Nuff said.
“I’m a stupid fatty and I love to play with my Easy Bake oven.â€
Post by: Sapphira on July 17, 2004, 07:15:56 PM
Seriously, anyone who thinks gay marriage (and any of that other stuff I mentioned) is okay seriously needs to rethink their moral value system.
I detest the world we live in, and it's people like you who think it's okay to compromise morals who help add to what is wrong with it.
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Wise men talk because they have something to say;
fools, because they have to say something.
Post by: TEM on July 17, 2004, 07:19:37 PM
Reality slowed bent Time and.
The and on Eggman But on went.
Post by: MEGAߥTE on July 17, 2004, 08:47:18 PM
This is a major reason why it wasn't approved. The US Constitution is a document about rights, not morals (state constitutions may differ). Also, many of the members of Congress may have been against gay marriage, but they believe it is up to the state to determine what defines marriage, not the federal government. In short, no matter what your beliefs, the vote was much more complicated than what the members of Congress believed was moral or not.
Post by: Markio on July 17, 2004, 08:54:11 PM
I wish I was in the forest with a dragon right now.
Post by: Markio on July 17, 2004, 09:40:03 PM
I wish I was in the forest with a dragon right now.
Post by: Lizard Dude on July 18, 2004, 10:44:38 AM
“I’m a stupid fatty and I love to play with my Easy Bake oven.â€
Post by: NintendoIke64 on July 18, 2004, 11:27:47 AM
''Procrastinate now. Don’t put it off.'' -Ellen Degeneres
Post by: MEGAߥTE on July 18, 2004, 01:33:33 PM
Post by: Red Paratroopa on July 18, 2004, 05:21:44 PM
Why do you people want to ban gay marriage? It shouldn't disturb your daily lives. It's not as if they're having the wedding ceremonies at your house. Also, just put yourself in the victims' shoes for a second. How would you like it if suddenly it was against the law for heterosexuals to get married? It's not like it was their choice to be gay; they were born that way. So just think, if God disapproves of homosexuals, why did he make them then?
"A person is a person, no matter how small."- Horton the Elephant
Post by: TEM on July 18, 2004, 08:54:30 PM
Reality slowed bent Time and.
The and on Eggman But on went.
Post by: Deezer on July 18, 2004, 09:23:18 PM
Post by: MEGAߥTE on July 18, 2004, 09:46:28 PM
Post by: Insane Steve on July 18, 2004, 11:06:38 PM
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Oh, please. Those of you who think that allowing gays to marry will ruin the sanctity of marriage have forgotten one important thing:
IN TODAY'S SOCIETY, MARRIAGE HAS NO SANCTITY ANYMORE!
I mean, think about it. What is the divorce rate nowadays? The average length of a marriage? Brittney Spears, anyone? My Big Fat Obnoxious Fiance? Trading Spouses? (Seriously, as soon as you take a skit from a ridiculous sketch comedy show and make it real, something is direly wrong.) Think about it. How many gay couples do you think will divorce after 2 weeks? Divorce rates drop, average lengths of marriages increase, and as long as heterosexuals don't have to watch the gays express their love for one another, whatever. Of course, I'm strictly anti-Bush right now, also... that may be a part of my thought process. (Although, I can see myself forever becoming an anti-incumbent, personally)
If you really wanted to return the sanctity of marriage, merely carry out the "'til death do us part" vow: If a couple applies for divorce, one is immediately killed. Bam. Vow remains intact, divorce rates drop significantly, everything is right. Except for the person being killed, of course, but that is a different story, a different argument, and a different thread which I will not create.
Hey, if gays want to marry, so be it. Just so long as I or any of my children that I'll like die before I'll get a chance to have don't have to see it, so be it. As soon as they try to "corrupt" people in public, THAT is what is wrong. Of course, the marriage rights/benefits argument is the big problem here, in my mind. I do not see the moral flaws in this, however, as marriage today is flawed beyond further ruin anyways.
Oh yes, LD, about America going down the crapper if the amendment passed, it is FAR too late for that. America is already so far down the crapper that there isn't any plunger in teh world that will bring it back.
Only at midnight can I create metaphors like that one.
~I.S.~
Edited by - Insane Steve on 7/18/2004 10:10:43 PM
Post by: Jman on July 19, 2004, 11:10:16 AM
Proud to be an American!
Post by: Jman on July 19, 2004, 11:16:49 AM
This is my interpretation of celebrity marriage, especially young celebrities: Guy: Hey, you're hot! Let's go date!
Girl: Okay!
(2 days later)
Girl: I love you so much! Let's get married!
Guy: Okay!
(anywhere from 1 day to 3 weeks after ceremony)
Girl: I'm not interested in you anymore! I want a divorce!
Guy: Fine, go! I only wanted you for your body anyway!
And there you have it, my take on celebrities who "love" each other.
Proud to be an American!
Post by: Sapphira on July 19, 2004, 12:20:36 PM
After reading all these posts, more and more I think *I'm* going to vomit...
I'm saddened how everyone seems to have such opposite views as me.... not me, how opposite from GOD. I'm opposed to gay marriage, but I also think straight people can be just as bad. --In fact, most are. *** before marriage is wrong, period. And if gay people "wait" until then--which I don't see why they would, anyway, considering their already twisted sense of values--even if they *do* get "married," it does not count because a marriage in God's eyes is between a man and a woman, which is why it baffles me that people would even *consider* making gay marriage legally valued. I mean, all of the founding documents of our country were based on the Bible and God's Will. *ALL* of them. And now they've practically forbidden God and the Bible anywhere......it sickens me. I truly believe we are living in the end times.
Separation of Church and State was meant to mean that the government would not be allowed to *control* the church, which is what it was doing in Europe at the time. Instead people have twisted it to mean that all beliefs of the church should be eliminated from the government.... Sick, isn't it?
Pardon the cliché, but I'm sure our founding fathers would be spinning in their graves if they knew what our country was like today....the way it has morally degraded.
Ugh, we're just like the Roman Empire.... I don't get it; aren't we supposed to *learn* from the mistakes of history? But, alas, history repeats itself. Morals apparently mean diddlysquat to people nowadays.... People only do and want things simply to get it to their own advantage. It's truly a sad time to live. It frightens me to think about it.....and I know it will only get worse.
God has given us his guidance to help us, but hardly anyone knows, sees or follows that anymore--even *CHRISTIANS*. True, we've all been blessed with that guidance, but humanity as a whole has basically thrown it away. I know I'm not perfect, either; I've been cursed with sinful nature just as much as everyone else. I at least *try* to follow God's guidance, and as a result, I am not stuck in a blurry haze of what is right and wrong.
Anyway, ugh.... I hate it when people say that gays are "born that way" or "God made them that way" and so they justify it all right to be gay through that. That is the biggest deception I've ever heard. God did not make them that way; He made the actual person, but He gave people the freedom to *choose* right from wrong, and the people are choosing wrong. It's freewill and *SIN* that "made" them that way. And no one is *born* that way; circumstances in one's life *influence* them, but one can always overcome that, with God's help. I mean, if one has an abusive, unloving father and is basically raised in a very feminine environment, sure, I can understand why they may have homo....*ahem* tendencies. But thoughts and feelings are much different from *actions*; it's the *actions* that are the problem, which is why being straight can be *just* as bad.
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Wise men talk because they have something to say;
fools, because they have to say something.
Edited by - Sapphira on 7/19/2004 1:08:51 PM
Post by: Markio on July 19, 2004, 12:59:13 PM
Like, I know homosexual people where I live. What am I supposed to do? Ignore them? Treat them differently because they're openly admitting that they are homosexual? There are also people who have had sexual intercourse before marriage. That can be compared closely to homosexuality, becasue both are things that are there and can't be changed about the person. Of course they're large sins. We shouldn't hold it against the person.
Basically, people that are gay should be forgiven, and the marriage thing is and should be a different topic.
I wish I was in the forest with a dragon right now.
Post by: Jman on July 19, 2004, 01:16:50 PM
Proud to be an American!
Post by: Sapphira on July 19, 2004, 02:03:12 PM
The whole matter is about acceptance vs. acquiescence. Acceptance agrees with a person regardless of what they do, while acquiescence does *NOT* agree with a person, but still values and respects them. I do not agree with gays, but I do not totally disregard them as people. God does not agree with them and anyone else who sins in this world (all humans), yet He still loves us unconditionally and wants to forgive us if we are truly sorry.
Please note that in my last post (and also this one), I am not personally attacking anyone's faith or character. When I said "God has given us his guidance to help us, but hardly anyone knows, sees or follows that anymore--even *CHRISTIANS*," I was not referring nor even THINKING of anyone specifically; it was just a general statement. Please do not be offended by what I say; that is not my intent.
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Wise men talk because they have something to say;
fools, because they have to say something.
Edited by - Sapphira on 7/19/2004 1:38:40 PM
Post by: Markio on July 19, 2004, 02:47:21 PM
Oh, NOW you tell me!
Anyway, I agree with your last post, but I still think marriage is a whole other subject, because it over-complicates everything. Or maybe there's some other reason that I can't think of because I had Boston Market for lunch and now I feel like vomiting... blegh... Boston Market...
I wish I was in the forest with a dragon right now.
Post by: nintendo is sorry on July 19, 2004, 03:37:50 PM
Post by: Vidgmchtr on July 19, 2004, 05:38:40 PM
They want to get married? I support that as well. They have done nothing negative towards me, so I support them.
Get over it.
Post by: Jman on August 09, 2004, 10:33:15 PM
I have a Live version of Freebird that will blow your mind!
Post by: Markio on August 09, 2004, 11:04:01 PM
I wish I was in the forest with a dragon right now.
Post by: Vidgmchtr on August 10, 2004, 01:11:29 AM
....Oh, and I still support gay marriage. Gays have done nothing to offend me in any way. You then say it's like marrying a pet.
...Once again, people who commit bestiality have done nothing to offend me, so I'd support that too (even though it's a little weird).
Post by: The Big Boo on August 10, 2004, 10:07:39 AM
Edited by - The Big Boo on 8/11/2004 9:37:42 AM
Post by: Lizard Dude on August 10, 2004, 10:09:30 AM
“I’m a stupid fatty and I love to play with my Easy Bake oven.â€
Post by: Luigison on August 10, 2004, 10:24:46 AM
(This is currently the one and only post in this thread by Luigison. He refuses to get into any debate titled "I think I'm going to vomit", but reserves the right to change his mind.)