Fungi Forums
Video Games => Mario Chat => Topic started by: The Chef on August 30, 2011, 06:09:29 PM
-
Kinda like Mariology but a bit more streamlined. Simply post any fanmade theories you have about the inner workings of Mario's world. Explanations are welcome. I'd put a "serious posts wanted tag" on this thread but I know most of you jokers are going to be sarcastic about this anyway. Extra-silly theories are allowed provided they're funny enough.
So to start, here are all of mine:
Everyone in the Mushroom World is born with a "Wa-" counterpart.
Think about it. We know Wario isn't a clone. We know he and Mario aren't related. We know Mario isn't the only one with a rival that looks like an ugly version of himself (Waluigi and Boshi come to mind). We know Wario was apparently brought by the stork around the same time as or shortly after Mario according to YIDS. Unless the above three examples were sheer coincidence, I have reason to believe everybody in the Mushroom World is destined to have some sort of ugly rival counterpart. One can only imagine what Peach's looks like....
Peach is Princess Serenity and Rosalina is Galaxia.
This of course means Mario is Tuxedo Mask and Daisy is Sailor Jupiter. Can't be bothered to ponder the rest of the Sailor Senshi.
Bowser is a metalhead.
Just look at him...
Prince Froggy is a teenage Wart.
Would explain why he has an army of Shy Guys at his disposal.
Birdo is Wart's failed attempt to create a Yoshi clone.
He tried to make his own gender-ambiguous dinosaur that shoots eggs. The results were uuuuuuuuuuuugly.
Daisy is the butch in her relationship with Luigi.
oooooor....
Daisy is a lesbian and is using Luigi to cover it up.
ooooooooooooor...
Daisy is bisexual.
She acts like a total dyke in Mario Strikers, man.
Mouser is a hyper-evolved Squeek.
They used to be called "Lil' Mouser" for a reason.
Mario and Luigi were born and raised in whatever place Camelot's Mario Golf/Tennis RPGs are supposed to be set.
Mario is considered a hometown hero there.
Peach is the daughter of a human woman and a Toad man.
Would explain why her grandmother is a Toad. Also, in the Mushroom World all children look exactly like one of their parents. This means Peach's mom had to have been human.
Sex doesn't exist in the Mushroom World.
All babies are brought by the stork. Simply kissing is considered promiscuous behavior.
The Koopalings are Bowser's nephews and niece. Not his kids.
Would explain why they all look different. Would also explain why they only refer to them as his "underlings" in NSMBWii. Also gives Bowser Jr. a more meaningful existence as Bowser's son.
Morton's dad looks like Gene Simmons.
He is modeled after Paul Stanley, after all...
Roy is half-blind.
That's why he wears sunglasses all the time and never seems to be able to land a hit.
Lemmy has the same disease as Gary Coleman.
That's why he's so small compared to the other Koopalings.
The X-Nauts were a sly parody of the Xbox.
Just look at Magnus Von Grapple...
Mario took on every sport ever in college and got a PhD, but decided to become a plumber after graduating.
It explains [darn] near everything about him.
DK Jr. was actually DK Sr.'s grandson, not his son.
Solves the whole Cranky Kong conundrum.
Diddy Kong is an orphan.
Kong Isle seems to be mostly populated by apes, not monkeys. DK has Cranky, and Dixie has Kiddy and Chunky. Where the heck is Diddy's family? Simple, he's DK's adopted nephew.
Dixie Kong is a commando.
That's why she wears the beret and the kneepads. She's probably also handy with a knife.
Goombella screwed up and actually meant to say Marilyn was a boy, not Vivian.
Really, Marilyn is the most masculine one.
Flurrie and Ludwig went to the same hair salon.
Just look at their hair...
Lemmy's hair is a dye job.
He has a little blond ponytail on the back of his head in NSMBWii...
The babies were sent to the present time on some sort of special mission that involves playing sports.
Why else would they be there?
The second Luigi in SMG was the result of Luigi winning the title of "Superstar of the Universe" in Mario Party 3.
He's the default character of MP3's story mode. The cursor is on him at the start. He's the only one without his own Star Stamp. Canonically, he was the winner. Thus, the Millenium Star put a clone of Luigi in space to help save the universe when the time arose.
Mr. Hoggle is a smuggler from Diamond City hiding out in Glitzville. The Yoshi Kid's egg was stolen goods.
Where else would he have gotten it? Come to think of it, who the hell would want to eat a Yoshi egg anyway? Sounds like it's against the law to me. I say he's from Diamond City because it has a sizable talking animal population.
The Yoshies on Isle Delfino were made by the Gaddbrush's goop, if not mutated by it.
That's why they only come in three convenient colors and melt when they touch the water.
Having your shoes taken away and being forced to walk on all fours is a form of punishment in the Koopa Troop.
Hey, it beats getting burned to a crisp.
Goombas have minor telekinesis.
That's how they can carry stuff.
Ratooeys are a near-extinct species.
We've seen a grand total of two of them.
The Mushroom World's TV stations can transmit signals across dimensions.
That's how Francis was able to see all those shows he obsesses over.
Mario's hat is the source of his power.
He's twice as weak without it. Heck, they even use it as a visual cue for "one hit left" in Super Mario 3D Land.
"Plumber" is Mushroom World slang for "adventurer".
Think about it. The only four guys dressed as plumbers do more adventuring than actual plumbing. We never see any actual plumbers either.
Waluigi doesn't work for WarioWare because Wario didn't tell him about it.
He knew Waluigi would want a cut of the profits if not find a way to steal all of them outright. Plus he'd probably be able to make better microgames and faster given his technical prowess.
Mario got his castle in SML2 the same way Wario got his at the end of WL1.
He found the genie and gave him 99,999 coins. The reason he wished for it was so he'd have a place to hide from the paparazzi.
An explosion that permanently kills a Bob-Omb is more powerful than one that doesn't.
That's why they only use it as a last resort. Of course, the actual power of the explosion still depends on the Bob-Omb's level of strength.
Rosalina's storybook wasn't fully autobiographical.
There's no way she could've been on the comet for that long unless she's immortal, and I highly doubt some random girl from Mario's planet can suddenly live forever. Everyone's game has to end somewhere.
Time passes quicker on DK Isle than it does in the rest of the Mushroom World.
That's why Cranky is old and Tiny had that growth spurt. DK, Diddy and Dixie haven't aged much because they've been spending a lot of their time playing sports in the Mushroom Kingdom.
Winky the Frog died after the events of DKC.
His stuffed corpse is clearly seen in the background of Cranky's Monkey Museum in DKC2.
The machine in Wart's room was a food dispenser that malfunctioned shortly before Mario and co. arrived.
It was set to only make his favorite food, but the malfunction caused it to only make his least favorite food.
The fruit from the Super Happy Tree only works on Yoshies.
We've yet to see anybody else using their restorative powers. Not even Baby Bowser used them and it was right there in his room.
Brown Yoshies are rare.
Again, so far we've only seen two of them. Other colors are considerably more prevalent.
Booster Tower used to be a four-star hotel.
Then the Booster family steadily got more and more insane over the years and converted it into an indoor daredevil obstacle course.
The Shy Guy's mask is its face.
It contorts and makes expressions in Mario Strikers Charged. It's totally a removable face. The little robe thing is its body.
-
Diddy Kong ate his own parents. For fun.
To double the coolty of his orphan status
or
Diddy Kong shot his parents with a peanut gun and then ate them
Peanuts make a good topping
Paper Mario takes place in an alternate universe
I can excuse Peach's usefulness varying from game to game--Bowser's competence does as well. But Peach in the Paper Mario games seems to have an entirely different personality.
The devs of the Mario & Luigi games remember the whole "Magic turned the Toads into brick blocks and only Princess Toadstool can turn them back" part of Super Mario Bros.
Peach certainly displays mystical powers more than once in Superstar Saga and Partners in Time--her voice being the one that can wake up the Beanstar, her ability to trap a big ugly alien monster inside a blue rock that nobody even knew could be used for more than the power source for a time machine, she pulls stars out of nowhere in PiT's last battle
The devs of Super Mario RPG didn't remember they were making a Mario game half the time
GOBY
Bowser Jr. has some insecurities about being evil
I like to think he puts Bowser's wishes first but would at least give it some serious thought if he believed he had the choice between good and evil. He sure loves to talk about what Bowser will think of his current actions and how he'll be punished if he fails to stop Mario again in the Galaxy games. Mostly I just think it'd be pretty cool if for one game, he teamed up with Mario against Bowser, but for a believable reason. And not against some ghost lady in Bowser's body, either.
Peach's Castle in the Mario Kart games is only a model
You could argue Royal Raceway, Peach Gardens and more than one Mario Circuit have just been paved around it, taken down and redone, but how is the timing so perfect that there's never a race course going around it when a kidnapping goes down? There's never any construction happening, either. So Peach just has dozens of the places built wherever she god[darn] wants 'em and if anyone calls her out on it, she cries and Toadsworth has them executed by guillotine. It happens a lot and that's where Super Mushrooms come from.
-
Here's a few more:
The Painting Worlds from SM64 are Galaxies.
Would explain Throwback Galaxy. Also explains why all the worlds are floating in a void and have Power Stars littered about.
The Power Stars are similar to the One Ring.
Whenever Bowser gives one to a boss character, it corrupts their mind. Look what happened to that Wiggler in Tiny Huge Island. This also explains why everybody competes so ruthlessly in Mario Party.
Booster is a Berserker from Final Fantasy.
He wears a little viking helmet, has a crazy beard and seems to operate purely on impulse.
Tatanga lives in the Space Zone.
Can't think of where else he'd be from. Also the 3-Up Moons are his people's equivalent of Shine Sprites.
Those angry stars in the Space Zone are disgruntled Star Kids who were kicked out of Star Haven for misbehaving.
Tatanga then decided to enlist them as bodyguards.
Bowser is Jango Fett, Bowser Jr. is Boba Fett and the Koopa Kids are the Clone Troopers.
Not literally, of course. The Koopa Kids were Bowser's failed attempt to start his own Clone Wars, but they sucked so bad he now only uses them for party games. Bowser Jr. was the only one that came out right. This explains why Baby Bowser was suddenly redesigned to look like a copy of Bowser Jr. in PiT.
-
The Koopalings are Bowser's nephews and niece. Not his kids.
Would explain why they all look different. Would also explain why they only refer to them as his "underlings" in NSMBWii. Also gives Bowser Jr. a more meaningful existence as Bowser's son.
This makes about as much sense as anything else. Forgive me for not reading up on my old-school SMB3 lore, but were they ever explicitly stated as being his children in the game they original appeared in (I never owned the NES version, so I don't have the manual handy). Dang you, TMK manual section. I think I'll accept this as canon nonetheless.
The Power Stars are similar to the One Ring.
Whenever Bowser gives one to a boss character, it corrupts their mind. Look what happened to that Wiggler in Tiny Huge Island. This also explains why everybody competes so ruthlessly in Mario Party.
That was always what I thought of when I beat Wiggler in SM64. Shoot, extending it to Mario Party makes that series make a heck of a lot more sense, though.
-
Goombella screwed up and actually meant to say Marilyn was a boy, not Vivian.
Really, Marilyn is the most masculine one.
GUH!
-
Simply kissing is considered promiscuous behavior.
Wouldn't that make Peach the biggest floozy in the Mushroom Kingdom?
-
No, Flurrie and Ms. Mowz have her beaten by a mile.
-
Everyone in the Mushroom World is born with a "Wa-" counterpart.
What about people who have a Wa at the beginning of their name anyway, like Wallace? Would a Wallace have a Wawallace?
Also, does Wario have a Wawario?
One can only imagine what Peach's looks like....
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.themushroomkingdom.net%2Fimages%2Fmailbag20020208_pic3.jpg&hash=55c3c03bf59af42d56ccc59be7c6c1d4)
5. Yes, Wario and Waluigi have girlfriends. In fact, these girls appeared as playable characters in the Japanese version of Mario Tennis. Sadly, Nintendo of America thought the bikini outfits of Wachibi and Watuna were too risque for American audiences, and removed them at the last minute. Perhaps we will see this girls as playable characters in Super Smash Bros. Melee?
I never noticed until now that "Nintendo of America thought the bikini outfits of Wachibi and Watuna were too risque for American audiences, and removed them" could be read two different ways.
Peach is the daughter of a human woman and a Toad man.
Would explain why her grandmother is a Toad. Also, in the Mushroom World all children look exactly like one of their parents. This means Peach's mom had to have been human.
Peach had a human grandmother (http://www.mariowiki.com/Grandma_Toadstool) on an episode of the Super Show, so yeah, probably.
The question, though, is which side is the human side and which is the Toad side? Is King Toadstool a Toad? In an issue of the comics, it was revealed that his mushroom cap is actually a hat, or several hats (some of which are made of cake). However, regular Toad mushroom caps were also sometimes removable, so yeah. But here's a crazy theory just for fun:
Queen Toadstool was a Toad; King Toadstool was a human who passed as a Toad.
There was probably some kind of big scandal when Peach was born and was obviously not a Toad. Maybe they tried to hide it somehow. And maybe it has something to do with why we've never seen the Queen.
The X-Nauts were a sly parody of the Xbox.
Just look at Magnus Von Grapple...
I seem to recall Nintendo Power mentioning something about that, but I'm probably wrong. Speaking of the X-Nauts, though, have you ever noticed that the aliens in Plan 9 From Outer Space do the same arm-crossing X salute as them?
DK Jr. was actually DK Sr.'s grandson, not his son.
Solves the whole Cranky Kong conundrum.
Eh, not really (http://themushroomkingdom.net/kongtroversy.shtml). It can't really be solved.
Here's what I wanna know, though: Is the Baby DK in Yoshi's Island DS the current DK, DKJr., or Cranky?
The babies were sent to the present time on some sort of special mission that involves playing sports.
Why else would they be there?
I used to say that the sports games were set in the future and are Mario and Luigi's kids, but now I prefer my theory that the new universe created at the end of Mario Galaxy was a simplified, caricatured version of the previous universe and just threw a whole bunch of stuff together (as evidenced by all the galaxies being far closer to the Grand Finale Galaxy than before, and all the characters being there).
Incidentally, I call that universe Mario Party Land, the name given to the setting of Mario Party 6. Pretty much all the spin-offs occur there.
I also want to incorporate a split timeline somewhere in my Mario canon. Still looking for a good excuse for one.
Rosalina's storybook wasn't fully autobiographical.
There's no way she could've been on the comet for that long unless she's immortal, and I highly doubt some random girl from Mario's planet can suddenly live forever. Everyone's game has to end somewhere.
Relativity. At least, the Hollywood version of the theory of relativity.
Time passes quicker on DK Isle than it does in the rest of the Mushroom World.
That's why Cranky is old and Tiny had that growth spurt. DK, Diddy and Dixie haven't aged much because they've been spending a lot of their time playing sports in the Mushroom Kingdom.
I like this.
Re: Booster Tower: My personal fanfic idea was that each generation of Booster added a number of stories to the building equal to their generation number.
-
Wallace is the evil version of Llace. Duh.
Visiting the land where all the Wa-counterparts come from is total Paper Mario-material.
-
So there's a good frog named Rt somewhere?
-
If these evil counterparts just copy names and prefix them with 'Wa', shouldn't Mario's name be Rio?
-
That's the foreshadowing in the story that Wario is just the beginning, and Wawario is a TRUE badguy.
Geez thanks for ruining it for everyone else
-
The climactic battle between Wawario and Rio at the end of the third game of the trilogy is the most epic finale in Mario history.
-
While this is all pretty funny, I didn't literally mean a character's name had to have "Wa-" in front of it. Boshi's certainly doesn't.
Eh, not really. It can't really be solved.
Here's what I wanna know, though: Is the Baby DK in Yoshi's Island DS the current DK, DKJr., or Cranky?
Lemme go into greater detail: Baby DK grows up to become DK Jr. who grows up to become modern DK. DK Sr. from the arcade is his grandfather who raised him. He grows old and becomes Cranky Kong. The actual whereabouts of Baby DK/DK Jr./DK's father are completely unknown. There you have it.
The question, though, is which side is the human side and which is the Toad side? Is King Toadstool a Toad? In an issue of the comics, it was revealed that his mushroom cap is actually a hat, or several hats (some of which are made of cake). However, regular Toad mushroom caps were also sometimes removable, so yeah.
My guess was that her mom was the human side since- again, children in the Mushroom World always look exactly like their parents. Chances are Peach looks like an exact copy of her mom. I know the only other examples we have of this are all male, but I figured it also applied to girls.
-
Also, here are some more theories:
Jr. Troopa is really a homeless midgit.
There's no way a mere hatchling is that smart and powerful and willing to wander the ends of the Earth solely for vengeance.
Smithy is Thor.
Hammer? Check. Beard? Check. Armor? Check. Loud booming voice? Check. Visitor from the heavens? Check. He's Thor, alright.
It was really Bowser's birthday during Mario Party 4.
It's got an interchangable plot surrounding the birthday of whatever character you picked, but I think the reason Bowser was all sad towards the end there was because he wanted attention. He was sad that everyone forgot his birthday.
Various common drones (Toads, Koopa Troopas, etc.) were killed as a result of the Strikers games.
This is why the Striker Cup tournament isn't held very often. :J
The Mushroom World is similar to Krypton.
People there develop superpowers when exposed to Stars and other things.
Luigi doesn't live in the mansion E. Gadd built for him after LM because he's too afraid to go back there.
Specifically, the A Rank mansion is canon since it appears in MKDD.
Luigi's cowardice is the result of trauma he experienced as a baby in PiT.
Even worse, he was the one in charge of his infant self. >.>
In the Mushroom World, your heart is your brain.
Explains Tubba Blubba's heart in a nutshell.
Lanky Kong hasn't aged because he doesn't actually live on DK Isle.
Really, he hasn't. Look at him in DK Barrel Blast. Funky on the other hand looks a little bit older what with his lighter fur and added girth, and I'd wager Candy got a lot of plastic surgery over time. So far we have yet to see what Kiddy and Chunky look like.
Coins are made of Star Bits.
This is why the Lumas also eat them in SMG2. This is also why Yoshi can eat them. Would explain why coins restore Mario's health in SM64, SMS and both SMGs.
Chef Torte's cake got possessed.
Not sure what kind of demon it was, but it certainly wasn't happy.
There is more than one Big Bob-Omb, Petey Piranha, [Other drone boss], etc.
Every time Mario kills one, Bowser or Kamek just makes a new one by hyper-evolving another common enemy. Heck, we clearly see Petey melting away and the coming back alive and well three episodes later in SMS. How? Bowser Jr. just made another Petey. This also explains how Naval Piranha and Hookbill came back for Tetris Attack, and how the heck the Shroobs got Petey on their side in the distant past.
The Mushroom Kingdom is similar to the United Kingdom.
It's not really a kingdom. It's governed by a Chancellor/Prime Minister and the princess is just a figurehead.
-
Yoshi can eat coins? The only ones I can recall are the ones fire attacks in SMW produced (ie: hit an enemy with your fire and they become a coin) and the ones in the YI minigames (the one about catch coins fired from a canon).
Are there others?
-
He can eat them in SM64DS as well, but I'm pretty sure he can't in SMG2 or SMS.
-
Thor is a good guy! And that wimpy little mallet ain't no mjolnir
Baby DK grows up to become DK Jr. who grows up to become modern DK.
So in the time it takes for Mario to age from baby to man, Donkey Kong ages from baby to child, and in the time it takes Donkey Kong to age from child to adult, Mario... doesn't really change at all?
-
Time passes quicker on DK Isle than it does in the rest of the Mushroom World.
Deedah studdah?
-
Doesn't work
Time Pass 1: Yoshi's Island era -> Donkey Kong Arcade era
Mario grows from baby to adult with full mustache
Donkey Kong grows from baby to child with tank top shirt
Time pass 2: Donkey Kong Arcade era -> Super Mario Bros.
Mario starts saving princesses
Donkey Kong hasn't changed (presumably)
Time pass 3: Super Mario Bros. -> Super Mario Kart
Mario has changed his clothes, starts racing go-karts
Donkey Kong hasn't changed
Time pass 4: Super Mario Kart -> Donkey Kong Country
Mario hasn't changed (presumably)
Donkey Kong becomes an adult and gets a necktie
Time pass 5: Donkey Kong Country -> Mario Kart 64
Mario hasn't changed
Donkey Kong hasn't changed
Where was DK before Time Pass 4, especially in time pass 1 that time apparently went slower for him than everybody else (assuming the cartoon rule that all sentient species have the same lifespan)? How hasn't the fast time of DK Island killed him by now, if it put him up to adulthood that fast?
-
Time pass 3: Super Mario Bros. -> Super Mario Kart
Mario has changed his clothes, starts racing go-karts
Donkey Kong hasn't changed
Assuming DK'94 for the GB is the current canon depiction of the arcade game, it means DK Jr. was still really small.
By the time SMK rolled around, he was about the same size as both DK Sr. and Bowser, indicating he grew. A lot.
EDIT: I'd also like to point out that Baby Mario and Baby Luigi are both toddlers in the spin-offs, while Baby DK still appears to be an infant in his appearance in Mario Super Sluggers. Presumably the time he spent in the Mushroom Kingdom in the present halted his aging.
It's also highly possible Baby DK wasn't actually born until just before the events of YIDS, whereas Mario and Luigi were born right at the end of YI. Perhaps DK was already younger than Mario to begin with.
-
1-ups can heal or give temporary immortality
This would explain the Ultra Shroom from Paper Mario.
Mushroom World="Mobius"
They used helicopters in M&S!
[Just thought I'd fix your html error. -The Chef]
thanks -bobbysq
-
When did 1-Up Mushrooms give immortality?
-
When bobbysq decided that was his fan explanation for how they work. That's the whole point of the thread. :P
-
Temporary immortality sounds about right. You can't die, until you die! Then you're fair game to be killed.
The Mario and Sonic Olympics games are a mass hallucination and do not actually exist
...or a glitch in the matrix
-
The Mario and Sonic Olympics games are a mass hallucination and do not actually exist
...or a glitch in the matrix
That would explain the dream events. A lot.
-
Bowser's wife is either named Lena or Clawdia.
Do we have anything else to go with?
Cheatsy, Big Mouth, Kootie Pie, Hop, Bully, Hip, and Kooky all exist.
But they're just nicknames.
In the fortress behind every flagpole, there's a lasagna in the oven.
This would explain why Mario dies in old side-scrollers if he runs out of time--he dies out of disappointment of an overcooked lasagna.
-
That would explain the dream events. A lot.
Dream events? I don't really know what happens in the games, since I don't play 'em. After all, they don't exist.
-
Dream events? I don't really know what happens in the games, since I don't play 'em. After all, they don't exist.
They're like regular Olympic sports only they take place in Mario or Sonic's world. They are kind of like what you would see if you were Shigeru Miyamoto or Yuji Naka, got high, and watched the olympics.
That's how the games were made.
-
So can anyone give a good explanation for why Mario powers up when Yoshi swallows items in Super Mario World? Or for that matter, why swallowing something gives Mario a coin?
-
So can anyone give a good explanation for why Mario powers up when Yoshi swallows items in Super Mario World? Or for that matter, why swallowing something gives Mario a coin?
Yoshis can't use the power-ups, so their power goes to the nearest person that can use it
for the coins, you don't want to know.
-
It's symbolism: Mario (the upper class) reaps the benefits of Yoshi's (the working man's) labour.
-
Wario and Waluigi were raised by Kamek to fight the Mario Brothers.
Not really much proof to it, other than that it explains their hatred for the Mario Bros, possibly also why they dress like them. As for the Wario Bros not being closer to Bowser... well, I doubt that Bowser would be anything but the favourite child of the Koopa family. There could be quite a bit of bitterness there.
Peach stored her magical powers from SMB1 in the wands from SMB3.
It's too much of a security risk to trust all of that power to one person. After being kidnapped and then returned, it would make sense for Peach to store a lot of power in different objects, just in case she gets kidnapped again.
-
It should also be noted she wasn't kidnapped until the end of SMB3. She was kidnapped "while the brothers were running around" (according to Bowser's letter).
Hmm.. fan theories.. I can't think of any really at the moment..
-
Timeline time!
SMB>SMB2J>SMB2U>SMB3>SMW>LM>SM64>SMS>SMG>Right after comes SMG2>SM3DL
I think some time passed between SMB2U and SMB3.
Mario in Luigi's Mansion is a trap for Luigi
-
Wart no longer exists.
After being kicked out of Subcon, he moved to Koholint Island and, well...you know...
-
Nah, brah.
Subcon is Koholint Island
Or, rather, Koholint is part of Subcon. They're both dream worlds.
Subcon is actually a loosely-defined world that we all go to when we dream. It exists, but in a method of reality and existence wholly unlike the concrete universe. Wart took over it for a little while before Mario deposed him.
-
It's probably also worth noting that Subcon has it's own king according to BS Super Mario USA Power Challenge, so we know it's at least tangible.
More theories from moi:
Whatever species Boos are the ghosts of is extinct.
One Boo in Paper Mario wonders what he was before he died. We know other species tend to retain their form when they die, such as Dry Bones or Ghost T., but we've never seen anything that resembles a Boo. Clearly whatever they were spirits of are all gone.
Said species was probably some sort of fish.
Boos have fins, tails and piranha-esque mouths. They look like fish.
-
Boos are either a form that any species can take upon death under certain circumstances, or they're more poltergeists than ghosts.
Or maybe we could say that they're Koopa Troopa ghosts. That probably won't get disproven, considering there's already Dry Bones so Nintendo wouldn't be able to justify making Koopa ghosts.
I used to think they were Shy Guys (similar shape, and they're shy), but then I saw the Shy Guy Ghosts in LM. And then I found out about Boo Guys, which are also Shy Guy ghosts, but shaped and colored different, and they shew up in games both before and after LM. Sooooo yeah.
What are we to make of the Boo in TTYD that says she's 18 years old, used to be a model, and gets hit on by Arfur the Doogan (who is alive)? How do Boos measure their age? Would a corporeal living person and a Boo actually be able to... do anything (Mario can spin-jump on Boos, after all), or are Doogans just stupid? Or maybe he just wanted to be friends?
-
Chauncey's bio describes him as having been "born a ghost," so I guess Mario ghosts can get it on and procreate. Or worse, Lydia and Chauncey died before he was born. In either case I couldn't count Boos out of the same rules
Maybe Boos are ghosts who've been dead SO long that they forgot what they used to look like and lost their shapes. They do have images in mirrors in Luigi's Mansion but the ghost houses where they normally "live" don't have mirrors and have clearly been abandoned by the living for a long long time. In that case, a Boo who claims his or her age to be something might be referring to their age at the time of death... Or they lost count and self-style themselves to a preferred persona
-
The Sealed Room in Luigi's Mansion was a trap
Crooks who made their way to the mansion to try and steal the family fortune were kicked down the chimney and left to die surrounded by the treasures they so desired. It was Nana's idea. This would explain the presence of any boss ghosts who aren't obviously related to each other.
The clockwork soldiers were cops who were sent to investigate the mansion where these people were last seen before their disappearances. If they saw the boarded-up door it definitely would have been suspicious and they would have found the skeletons inside, so they were killed too.
Bound to the mansion by their greed, these ghosts can't go away and the dead members of the family who killed them are stuck there too. So they're like "Oh whatever" and stay out of each other's hair. Any themes a ghost character displays (Slim Bankshot as a pool shark, Biff Atlas as a muscle man, the aforementioned cops as toy soldiers) were developed after death because of the rooms they ended up haunting.
-
Airships cause a disturbance in the Mushroom Kingdom's weather
The background for every airship level in the Mario All*Stars and SMA4 version are both cloudy with thunder and lighting. It's kind of hard to believe every Kingdom in SMB3 was under a severe weather alert when the airships hit.
-
lolol and in world 5 it means there were storm clouds above the regular clouds lololol
-
If this were 2009, I would make a "Yo dawg, I heard you like clouds" joke here.
-
Maybe Roy's ship was floating in the regular clouds, but due to the theory, most became storm clouds..?
This theory doesn't work in SMG since.. there's no rain in space (there are clouds, and storms, and other similar things..)
-
And in the opening to SMG1 they turned that feature off because they were planning on going to space and needed a clear sky to do it
-
Those are clearly new airship models. They don't have the same weather-changing effects as the ones in SMB3.
-
Perhaps SMG takes place before SMB3.
-
I will kill you.
-
I'll help you hide the body. :D
-
I will kill you.
¿Que?
-
Rosalina is fat
'Swhy she rides the big cars in Mario kart
Mario is from Krypton
And his hat has his real family crest on it.
The spikeless Thwomps have birth defects
:(
Chain Chomp is the baby Mario Bros.' special item in Double Dash!! because it is their real pet
Barks, guards the house, good with kids. Perfect. Why the adult Mario Bros are never depicted as having him? Mushroom City. CRASH! Oh no I think I hit a
Bowser would look cool with a beard
Cranky Kong is the first DK, Donkey Kong Jr. has a disease that severely stunts his growth, Donkey Kong is Cranky's grandson
And Mario was actually much younger in the arcade games than he currently is but always had the mustache that is manlier than you could ever hope to have. Apes have shorter lifespans than humans do so his current age is accentuated by a white beard and a cane. DK Jr.'s days are probably numbered. No time skip issues.
Otacon met the DK Crew in person and they told him all this
So he could get the skinny about it right just in case Snake ever asked. AND THEN HE DID
Donkey Kong and Diddy Kong are about the same age
Diddy Kong is older than Donkey by a year or two?
This idea is amusing to me
Lubba is one star bit away from becoming a galaxy
But he prefers cheetos
-
One can only imagine what Peach's [counterpart] looks like....
Actually, by Japan logic...
Rather than being hideous, Peach's evil/rival counterpart is unrealistically sexy and wears incredibly revealing clothing.
She hasn't been in any of the games because her presence as walking fanservice would instantly bump them up to an M rating, and Nintendo can't have any of that going on. (It'd probably only be CERO C - 15+ - in Japan, but that's still too much for a Mario game.)
-
Here's two more:
Humans command a great deal of respect in the Mushroom Kingdom.
Notice how all the royalty appear to be humans. Also notice how the only other humans who live there are practically depended on by the Toads to save their little arses time and time again. Face it, Toads look up to humans as more powerful than they are.
The Toad Brigade is an attempt by Toad to start a civil rights movement.
He felt that Toads are just as capable as humans of traversing harsh landscapes/obstacle courses and started his own crack team of Toad adventurers. This explains how Toad is always able to catch up to Mario unscathed, and also why the yellow and blue Toads joined Mario and Luigi in NSMBWii.
-
all the royalty appear to be humans
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mariowiki.com%2Fimages%2Fthumb%2F4%2F4d%2FQueen_Bean.jpg%2F800px-Queen_Bean.jpg&hash=0c3b1bdfc71e82fa3c611fe74e29aeed)
But yeah, I like the Toad equality thing.
-
in the Mushroom Kingdom.
-
The Mushroom Kingdom is Earth in the future.
Toads are highly evolved mushrooms and Super and 1-up Mushrooms are too.
-
Well, technically Mushroom World but I get what you mean.
I take it that means Koopa Troopas are hyper-evolved turtles and any other creature based on an Earth animal (such as Kongs or Klepto or what-have-you) are hyper-evolved as well.
Actually, it also explains why people look funny and have extraordinary powers and abilities. They're hyper-evolved humans.
-
Is it in the Wall-E future where humans evolve to look cartoony, meaning the games are actually already photorealistic?
-
The Toad kid in Mario RPG with the handheld beetle game says no.
-
The Yoshis in Sunshine are animate personifications of the fruits they last consumed
Throw a fruit in the water. It bursts into a cloud of smoke. Move one from its original location. Eventually it fades and reappears where it started.
Yoshis have to pay close attention to something to discern its color
Hence why the magnifying glass helps them identify which coins are red
Wario really does think, for one reason or another, that Mario is a jerk
There's this one game in Twisted! where Wario walks towards Mario and you have to move Wario's hand so he can grab Mario's and they can shake. On harder levels Mario moves his hand up or down to try and make Wario miss. Wario made this microgame this thinking it was a completely in-character move for Mario to make.
Wario and Waluigi are bio-weapons made by Umbrella
No lips; like Nemesis
-
The Star Spirits got the real Star Rod from the Fountain of Dreams and replaced it with a fake one thinking the Dream Landers were too stupid to notice and the placebo effect would do well enough
And they were right
By extension, Popstar is out there, in the same reality as Mario's
Really, Nintendo's major franchises do a good enough job of being able to conceivably co-exist... Metroid, Kirby, Star Fox and F-ZERO all take place on other planets and Olimar is from another one. StarTropics and EarthBound both take place mostly in surrealistic fictional locales on an Earth with real locations mentioned (one man in Fourside mentions Japan, Mike Jones is from Seattle)--Pokémon could take place on this same Earth, seeing as Lieutenant Surge is from America and some 'Dex entries talk about India and stuff like that. Time periods allow for the aforementioned space-themed games, Zelda, and I guess Fire Emblem. Mario is actually the toughest one to place... it'd be dumb to use the "it's not Earth" explanation, but it is wacky enough to not be, and consistent enough about how its unique species are all OVER the place that it's hard to see it as being just a part of the same world as anything else. It's nothing to lose sleep over but I do like the Brand Universe concept a lot
Toads have giant brains inside their mushroom caps
But size doesn't matter. And if it did their brains have fungus all over 'em
Toads don't have bones
-
Their mushroom caps ARE their exposed brains.
-
There used to be a lot more Toads
In Super Mario Bros., Bowser turned the residents of the Mushroom Kingdom into stones, bricks, and horsehair plants, and only Peach can turn them back. But in future games, there's just as many bricks and horsehair plants around as in SMB. So apparently Peach never did change anyone back, and the Toads that are around now are descended from a small remnant of Toads that were hiding outside the Mushroom Kingdom before Bowser invaded (probably in Little Fungitown).
Peach had just been overthrown in a coup when Bowser invaded
The Mushroom People were not happy with Peach's handling of the Koopa situation. They drove her and her loyalists out of the kingdom. These rebels were the ones Bowser found when he invaded. With all the rebels gone, Peach was able to reassume the throne as though nothing had ever happened.
What about blocks in other kingdoms though?
Also what about the block laboratory in Woohoo Hooniversity?
These two can explain each other somehow.
-
Blocks in other Kingdoms are exactly that: blocks in other Kingdoms. No Toads here..
I wonder if other Kingdoms have research facilities similar to the Hooniversity..?
-
I always figured the whole "Blocks are Toads" thing was more or less retconned out by the time SMB3 was made.
-
Yeah it would be kinda disturbing if that were still canon.
-
The blocks are dead toads
Upon dying their lives play back before their eyes and they're shown all the times they complained or acted selfishly. Then they're shown Mario's life of selflessness and all the times he could have used the dying Toad's help but somehow carried on without it (starting with how much easier Donkey Kong could have been with powerups). They make their last wish to the stars, that they hadn't been so worthless. The star spirits can't reverse time so they make them useful in death instead.
Think about that next time you're like "[darnit], I don't want fireballs right now, I got a cape"
-
If that's the case, why are the vast majority of blocks empty and/or strategically placed to obstruct Mario?
-
Dead Goombas.
-
Not every wish can be granted on time, or that particular Toad's life was so empty..
Bowser's minions placed said blocks in place
I don't think the Toads fell perfectly in place, unless the Star Spirits magic is making them float.
-
You just reminded me of another old theory I had:
Mario's ancestors built the pipes.
He's an Italian plumber and the Romans invented aqueducts: put 2 and 2 together. We've never really seen who else could've possibly built the pipes, and some of them appear to be thousands of years old (that one pipe to Petalburg in TTYD comes to mind).
-
Here's a theory regarding BP's idea about ghosts being able to procreate.
There is a ghost stork that brings baby ghosts.
And it looks like a Skeleton Goonie, except a stork.
-
Yoshi's Island was a kid-friendly and more fun-to-play allegory for difficulties with the births of the Mario Bros.
Or a dream their mother had during it
In either case, the doctors were Yoshis. Mario came first and was fine but Luigi was a bit of a problem.
-
I like that theory (especially the Yoshi doctors), but then what happened during Yoshi's Island DS?
-
Abortion.
-
Time-traveling [attempted] abortion.
What about the Stork Stops, though?
-
Warp Zones were made before the Toads were turned into blocks.
They were made with the intent to help Mario get to Bowser's castle, but when they became blocks, they were placed to conceal them. The Minus World was a failed trap/curse placed on the pipes.
-
The Mushroom Kingdom was ruled by tyrannical human dictators from another world in the recent past
They were vicious and cruel and killed the Toads for fun on the weekends, but not too many, as they were valuable as slaves. These wads were friends with the Koopa Kingdom and stuff.
Peach didn't like her parents for some reason and really didn't like Bowser for another (maybe both kingdoms were arranging Bowser and Peach's marriage to unite both into a grotesque world-conquering villain fiesta) and so she killed her parents and granted the Shroom Men a reasonable amount of liberty and turned the kingdom into the rainbows-and-lollipops land it is now.
This could have occurred anytime. If you can drive a go kart, you can kill. Peach murdered her parents as a baby!
The tension between the Mushroom and Koopa Kingdoms is a relatively new thing, as they were bros up until this point, and that is why anyone from before Mario and Luigi appeared is not dead or kidnapped or whatever. They'd never fought before.
With Peach's evil ******* parents out of the way, the Toads were inspired to kill all the other human oppressors. That's why there are so few of them. Peach was their new, benevolent princess, Mario and Luigi are heroes, Rosalina has lived in space through all this and E. Gadd is just too fun an old man to want to hurt. Il Piantissimo disguised himself to evade his punishment.
The generic humans from the Golf games are from this era and have since been killed, crossed over by ways that don't require logic; same way the baby characters, Metal Mario, and the bosses Mario has defeated can appear in spin-offs. THEY'RE EVIL BLOODTHIRSTY TOAD-TORTURERS, EVERY ONE OF 'EM
-
E. Gadd has a side interest in phat beatz
The theme of his Game Boy Horror calls? The sweet remix of the game's main theme from his lab? Both are his creations. Heck, everything in LM that's not atmospherically creepy is funky fresh! Gadd makes good
Paintings are usually factory-made
And it's like the difference between assembly line furniture and real antiques. Nobody really cares if the painting came from a machine but it's something special if it were made by hand. This is how the Ghost Portrificationizer even makes sense, and how there are so many copies of the same paintings in Peach's Castle
Sunlight sucks the color out of your skin on Isle Delfino
Look how much paler Mario is in the GameCube era onward compared to the N64 one (or at least, Mario's appearance in Melee, being mostly based on how he looked in the N64 era's renders for box arts and stuff).
The Paper Mario games are set in an alternate reality
They have similar histories and stuff to the point that the setting is recognizable by the time we get to see it. I just don't know what other way to explain behavioral differences in the characters, particularly Peach. And I can't be the only one who feels that the PM games' content just wouldn't match with some of the SM games'. Trying to imagine what Daisy would be like or what she would do in the Paper reality, for example, makes my brain stop. I can't really picture any of the Paper games' original things in the Super reality, either--Star Spirits in Mario Party 5 aside.
Dino Dino Jungle in Mario Kart Double Dash is a cheap stupid theme park
Whatever idiot designed the place completely ignored the wealth of living reference material in Dinosaur Land and made up some B.S. dinosaurs with crappy robotic movements!
Sorry for the abundance of Luigi's Mansion stuff. It's just got so much interesting stuff to work with.
-
Sunlight sucks the color out of your skin on Isle Delfino
Look how much paler Mario is in the GameCube era onward compared to the N64 one (or at least, Mario's appearance in Melee, being mostly based on how he looked in the N64 era's renders for box arts and stuff).
Daisy must've gone there too.
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mariowiki.com%2Fimages%2Fb%2Fb8%2FMP3Art.PNG&hash=bfe659dc3e062cb9ac70ed471c5fbfaf) (https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mariowiki.com%2Fimages%2Fthumb%2Fd%2Fd4%2FItadakiDaisy.PNG%2F294px-ItadakiDaisy.PNG&hash=f6e6dc1a4314e152b91c96d37b87b0ac)
-
What better way to market a game to a white audience than to make the characters look more like them?
-
Well, they're not called the Super Mario Brothas
-
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_z3qOPdy0bWw/TXMmgARSPjI/AAAAAAAAFr8/xCrpin4NhAE/s1600/wario.PNG)
-
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_z3qOPdy0bWw/TXMmgARSPjI/AAAAAAAAFr8/xCrpin4NhAE/s1600/wario.PNG)
This.
Moving on, World 6 in NSMB was where Nintendo put filler/rejected levels
I know this is more development than story, but think about it. There is a rain forest (W4), a tundra (W5), and a desert (W2) level. While those somewhat fit, the levels look like they belong in their respective worlds.
-
Wasn't World 6 a mountainous world? I can see those levels sort of working in.. Mountain World, if you imagine the levels at different altitudes.
-
I think I have a better DK theory than my previous ones.
Cranky's old age was the result of fading into obscurity between 1983 and 1993.
It's like how Slappy Squirrel became an old lady due to being forgotten. After DK 3 tanked, he was reduced to a veeeeery few tiny cameos. DK Jr. on the other hand made a few more appearances which halted his aging. Mario of course aged the least since he was the new hotness from 1985 and onward. By the time 1994 rolled around, old DK Sr. was so far on the sidelines he was reduced to an old man. DK '94 doesn't count since that's technically a remake. The same explanation might be used for Tiny, since she was arguably the most hated of the new Kongs in DK 64 due to being a Dixie clone.
-
You mean it has nothing to do with her inability to walk carefully and her jump WOOHOO!!! ?
-
The Koopas in Paper Mario 3D are crossbred with Doogans
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthemushroomkingdom.net%2Fimages%2Fss%2Fpapermario-3ds%2F029.png&hash=f655aa49b5f59a3f8de8325039ee46a5) (https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mariowiki.com%2Fimages%2F9%2F9d%2FDoogan.PNG&hash=ccc086ccdc5ddfe988529884115dd976) (https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mariowiki.com%2Fimages%2F3%2F3d%2FKooper.png&hash=fd6883faee4b4d77d0ac19fec4b13191)
-
I don't see it. The noses are kinda similar, but the Koopas look just like..Koopas.
-
Remember how Rowf was the only Doogan in PM1? The sprites were so blurry I thought his little black nose was a pair of nostrils, leading me to believe he was some sort of Koopa variant.
-
I can't put my finger on it, but something just makes the PM3D Koopas look extra-Dooganish to me. Slightly less pointy beaks? Slightly more flesh around the eyes? Slightly shorter eyes? Slightly different mouth?
Iunno.
Yeah, Doogans, Koopas, and Yoshis all have pretty similar facial structures.
-
I have a new little baby theory that popped up in my head two days ago.
Each Mario series is set in a different universe.
Paper Marios
3D Mario titles.
Mario and Luigis
SMRPG
...and so on.
However, they all stem from the three original Super Mario Bros. This would explain the different world maps in each game.
I don't know, just wanted to post this.
-
So you're saying the Paper Mario series, the Mario & Luigi series, the 3D Mario games and SMRPG are all alternate sequels to the SMB series?
Huh. Kinda reminds me of Godzilla 2000 and all the Godzilla movies made after it. I like it.
-
Hell, each individual game seems to take place in it's own continuity. The Mushroom Kingdom, like Hyrule, has never really had a consistent design.
-
The Secret Aquarium Is Another Inescapable Death Trap
Designed by the princess herself. Seriously. It's a huge tank of water with no way out other than to collect red coins. And swimming without wasting your energy doing it is tough stuff man!
-
Speaking of which, how does collecting the Star release him from the aquarium?
-
Magic.
How do you think most stuff in the Mushroom World works?
-
Ok. Skimming the first post again, and..
Ratooeys are a near-extinct species.
We've seen a grand total of two of them.
Remind me what a Ratooey is
-
This guy:
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mariowiki.com%2Fimages%2F9%2F93%2FLumpy.PNG&hash=50760bd8059cfb1cbb89ef621031520b)
..and this guy:
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mariowiki.com%2Fimages%2F3%2F31%2FRatooey.PNG&hash=a246ef44534b88773228e42492eb40b2)
They're literally the only two in the entire Mario series. Surprised their species was even given a name at all.
-
Oh yeah! Them. I think they are related to the Muku-Muku's from Mario RPG. They even have a similar design, though you never see the Muku's feet.
-
Besides having the same design, there's nothing to indicate they're related. This is like all those people who think Katsini is related to Tatanga or me thinking Wart is Prince Froggy.
-
I just recently 100%'d New Super Mario Bros. Wii, and just today started making minor edits to some of the levels, just to give it a liiiiittle bit of tightening. So while it's what's in front of me,
Why can't Yoshi go with Mario after they finish a level together, when he could in Super Mario World?
The goals in NSMBW are followed by castles, unlike the ones in SMW.
Why can't Yoshi enter castles in Super Mario World/NSMBW when he could in Yoshi's Island?
Yoshi dated a castle sometime while Mario was growing up, and it didn't work out, and he's still bitter.
Where were the Koopalings between Super Mario World and NSMBW?
Training with Kamek to become proper Magikoopas. It's not said where their wands came from in NSMBW, so they probably weren't stolen. And NSMBW happens to be the first game where the seven original enfantes terrible show up alongside Grandpa. As for why they didn't use magic in Superstar Saga... your call
-
Why can't Yoshi enter[\i] castles in Super Mario World/NSMBW when he could in Yoshi's Island?
Yoshi dated a castle sometime while Mario was growing up, and it didn't work out, and he's still bitter.
0_0
-
^ How insightful.
Why can't Yoshi enter castles in Super Mario World/NSMBW when he could in Yoshi's Island?
Yoshi dated a castle sometime while Mario was growing up, and it didn't work out, and he's still bitter.
Where were the Koopalings between Super Mario World and NSMBW?
Training with Kamek to become proper Magikoopas. It's not said where their wands came from in NSMBW, so they probably weren't stolen. And NSMBW happens to be the first game where the seven original enfantes terrible show up alongside Grandpa. As for why they didn't use magic in Superstar Saga... your call
1) I know you're playing this for laughs, but there's actually a given reason: The Yoshi in YI is not the same Yoshi we see hanging around Mario in the present day. Much as I detest YIDS, the ending made this readily apparent.
2) The Koopalings appared in Yoshi's Safar and Superstar Saga between SMW and NSMBWii, so my guess is that Bowser still used them for evil schemes. Just not the ones we got to see. Either that or he preferred to keep them hanging around the castle. Or maybe they were still guarding various castles around the Mushroom Kingdom, but we didn't get to see those since SM64 and SMS only took place in Peach's Castle and on Isle Delfino, respectively.
Better question: Why didn't Bowser Jr. ever appear before SMS anyway?
-
playing this for laughs
Thread title, beeyotch
I think it's reasonable to believe that Bowser Jr. was simply too young for the gritty world of stealing princesses up until SMS, and that characters age on a need-to-grow basis. Yoshi (and Kamek?) didn't age while the babies grew up, Donkey Kong and Jr. grew into Cranky and Donkey Kong With A Tie while Mario wasn't looking, and Bowser Jr. experienced a little growth for himself (his kart class change between Double Dash!! and Mario Kart Wii, his voice change). Cartoon physics, cartoon logic.
That said, Yoshi's Island DS happened in the Link Failed timeline
And Ganondorf stole some babies, Bowser got jealous, carried out his own plan involving babies
-
The koopa kids from Mario Party were genetically cloned from Bowser's DNA.
He made his clones children so they wouldn't try to overthrow him.
-
Two theories about where Gaz's Geno doll came from:
Geno is the lead character on the Mushroom World's equivalent of Zatch Bell, which is also very popular amongst Toad children.
or
Geno is literally the Mushroom Kingdom's equivalent of Pinocchio, and is thus considered an icon in their culture.
And here's some others:
The green Koopa Troopa we see in all the Mario spin-off games is actually Koopa T. Quick.
He still never passes up a chance to compete with Mario.
The red Paratroopa we see in all the Mario spin-off games is Koopa T. Quick's twin brother.
They're like Mario and Luigi, except Koopa Troopas.
The Dry Bones we see in all the Mario spin-off games is actually a dead famous Koopa athlete who didn't want to stop competing.
Guess his unfinished business will never be finished.
The Goomba in Mario Superstar Baseball and Mario Super Sluggers is actually the same one from the shop in Monstro Town.
He was especially close with Bowser, if you remember correctly. Also his name was literally "Goomba". There seems to be one of these for every species. Wouldn't surprise me if there was a guy named "Human" running around.
The Lakitu in Mario Kart is the same one that holds the camera in SM64.
Which leads into:
The red-shelled Lakitu in MK7 is the other half of the Lakitu Bros.
Notice how we only see the green-shelled one in SM64 even though his dialog indicates there's more than one of him and that they're apparently called "the Lakitu Bros.". The one with the red shell is the one we don't see, and his job is driving the news van.
-
Are we to presume that there is a Lakitu holding the camera in the other 3D games too? And maybe also in the 2D games?
-
I guess you could if you wanted to, but there's nothing to really indicate that in the actual games. SM64 is the only one where we're explicitly introduced to the Lakitu Bros. and told they're the ones filming the action.
-
Isn't Koopa the Quick considerably larger than Mario? If I remember correctly, he's nearly the same size as Bowser in SM64, which isn't the case in any spin-offs.
-
Well, he was last seen on Tiny-Huge Island, so maybe he fell through a shrinking pipe at some point before coming back.
-
The red Paratroopa we see in all the Mario spin-off games is Koopa T. Quick's twin brother.
They're like Mario and Luigi, except Koopa Troopas.
That Paratroopa's a girl
Why not
The red-shelled Lakitu in MK7 is the other half of the Lakitu Bros.
Notice how we only see the green-shelled one in SM64 even though his dialog indicates there's more than one of him and that they're apparently called "the Lakitu Bros.". The one with the red shell is the one we don't see, and his job is driving the news van.
They're both in SM64.
A Lakitu, with a camera, appears at the beginning (I've actually forgotten what he's flippin' out about, I haven't read the text in years), and it can't be him holding the camera at that time.
-
That said, Yoshi's Island DS happened in the Link Failed timeline
And Ganondorf stole some babies, Bowser got jealous, carried out his own plan involving babies
That also may explain the Link baby found in the opening. (Google it!)
-
Link is the Luigi from Galaxy
Link is just what happens to Luigi when he gets the Triforce of Courage
Evidence: Link, Luigi, Left-handed
Luigi is normally right-handed, but the Galaxy Luigi is a mirror image of him
This is why Link was in Mario RPG and Luigi was not
Luigi is also L
-
Luigi was in the end credits of Mario RPG. He was leading the parade.
-
He was debatably the mysterious voice behind the house directly infront of Mushroom Castle. Pity it was only useful up through Star Hill (should that be in spoilers..? It's been 16 years..)
-
I dunno where people get the idea that the hint giver is Luigi. There's nothing in the game to indicate it and no official materials have ever implied it either.
-
I pretty much always thought of the mystery hint giver voice as a woman. I also sometimes thought it was one of the Toads living in that house.
-
Endless Things (enemies, hammers, etc) and Where They are Stored
This is a theory I've had for years, that I affectionately call the Subspace Theory. This is where all endless items are stored (Spiny eggs, hammers, Koopa Shells, etc) until they are needed. This is how an enemy (such as Lakitu and the Hammer Bros) are able to seemingly have endless ammo: they just reach into their bags/back pockets and pull out the item.
I'm not talking about the Subspace from SMB2 (though I imagine that's similar to what it looks like) or from Brawl. It's more similar to the one mentioned in Scott Pilgrim, and could also be applied to anime and other media (Where do anime girls keep those giant hammers they are known to conk people with!?)
-
They're both in SM64.
A Lakitu, with a camera, appears at the beginning (I've actually forgotten what he's flippin' out about, I haven't read the text in years), and it can't be him holding the camera at that time.
Maybe he has a tripod set up? It would make sense if he was a news reporter/camera man for him to have one.
The Goomba in Mario Superstar Baseball and Mario Super Sluggers is actually the same one from the shop in Monstro Town.
Or he was a regular Goomba gifted with minor telekinesis from Kamek.
-
Not sure why only that one Goomba would have telekinesis when ALL Goombas are able to lift things without hands.
-
Hmm... forgot about that.
Characters in SSB cannot be injured too greatly.
or
Turning into a trophy in SSB heals you completely.
Both explain why the characters never have broken bones, bruises, etc.
-
No, that's just standard fighting game physiology.
-
Dr. Mario isn't a hack
Lining up colors to kill viruses sounds just like how science actually should work in Mario's world.
My real question is: why does Mario throw pills in at random instead of actively trying to use the most efficient ones?
-
My real question is: why does Mario throw pills in at random instead of actively trying to use the most efficient ones?
Progress, my friend.
-
Furthermore, who or what, if anything, is the player meant to represent? Are you playing as Mario, and Mario somehow controls the trajectory of the pill as it falls after he throws it into the bottle, or are you playing as another agent (possibly Wanda?) who moves the pills for him? Or is the control of the pill in the bottle merely a gameplay metaphor for Mario carefully controlling his throwing angle ahead of time?
-
I'll go with the last one.
-
The pills were a collaboration between Mario and Batman
The same WayneTech mechanism in the remote-controlled Batarangs is installed in the pills so Mario can move them after they're thrown
-
Larry used to be Bowser's favorite before Bowser Jr. happened
So he got the honor of being the one to destroy Mario in SMB3, since there is no way he could beat World 1! But then he did, so the new plans in SMW repositioned him closest to dad
Morton's mother is different from the others'
It's so obvious. And would also explain why they stopped after Larry for so long--Bowser's main squeeze left him after she found out, but not before Larry... hatched?
Wendy doesn't have a real middle name
The O is for the silly rings she shoots all over the place
Iggy is vegan
Look at him! He's insane! It wouldn't surprise me, is all I'm saying. Not like all vegans are maniacs. You know how it is
Roy has testicle eyes
Really really sensitive eyes.
Lemmy is the nicest of the Koopalings
When he was young he made a pact with a particularly evil Magikoopa to suffer in place of all his siblings yet to come. He has all the problems that they would have had otherwise. Lazy eye. Stunted growth. No teeth. No girlfriend.
Ludwig is the meanest
He's selfish and cold and distant and gets whatever he wants and never shares. He doesn't even have to share his fighting style in SMW.
-
Iggy is vegan
That would also explain his green hair! Maybe eating so many veggies turned his hair green.. or he dyed it..
-
I guess being vegan makes your head look like a vegetable. Would also explain why he's in the jungle world in a room full of vines in NSMBWii.
I like the theory of Ludwig being the meanest. He totally acts it in NSMBWii.
-
Bowser tries to ruin the Mario Parties because he's never invited to them.
Mario Party 7 is where this comes from, and this seems to explain Mario Party DS' ending.
-
They've been saying that in-game since at least Mario Party 4, dude.
-
This is probably kinda more for Mariology, but how would a Mario Party go if they did invite Bowser (and Koopa Kid)?
-
They've been saying that in-game since at least Mario Party 4, dude.
Y I NO WIKIPEDIA
This is probably kinda more for Mariology, but how would a Mario Party go if they did invite Bowser (and Koopa Kid)?
They would cheat. A lot.
-
Would they though? Bowser always plays fair in the sports and Kart titles... Sounds like Bowser falls into the "even evil has standards" (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvenEvilHasStandards (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvenEvilHasStandards)) type of villain.
-
We been playing the same games? In many of them it seems like no matter who it is, the CPU will be cheating in one way or another. So depending on who you like to use, there is only one honest character in the entire cast and the rest are underhanded dirtbags.
-
We been playing the same games? In many of them it seems like no matter who it is, the CPU will be cheating in one way or another. So depending on who you like to use, there is only one honest character in the entire cast and the rest are underhanded dirtbags.
But then by that reasoning, characters like Toad, Mario and Peach should be banned from the parties as well.
Silly Fan Theory: This is why Nintendo made Wii Party.
-
Boom Boom is something of an Igor to Bowser
Of the "Yes master" variety.
-
What other varieties are there?
-
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.wikia.com%2Fharrypotter%2Fimages%2Fd%2Fdc%2FKarkaroffHogwarts.jpg&hash=c282f898dc39971cf9465812b032f999)
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pianoparadise.com%2Fstravinsky.jpg&hash=7c4957361142fec1e5307a34cf02afbd)
-
The Cosmic Clones are the shades of dead Marios and Luigis of the past
They've come back to haunt you (the player) for your past failures and reclaim their proper lives. Or, well, they wish they could. They know they can't so instead they try to drag more Marios and Luigis into their undead legion. And if you die by falling into a pit, they follow you, to taunt you as if to say that your failure is inevitable. They know you. They know your movement patterns and that is how they copy your current Mario perfectly. If you complete the level they stalk you through, they vanish, overcome by regret that they were not that particular Mario.
Mario is not aware of any of this until he dies and his own consciousness carries over to his next life. The 1-Up Mushroom prevents you from becoming dead, but doesn't stop death from becoming you.
-
The 1-Up Mushroom prevents you from becoming dead, but doesn't stop death from becoming you.
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_ltuzjvbQ6L1qzgpx9.gif&hash=005865fb5d1d9ae90a89f7e38cca5391)
-
I guess I can't top that one. Ah well. I'll post my next one anyway.
Mario is from Brooklyn, but "Brooklyn" is a place in the Mushroom Kingdom.
This one works even better in accordance with the theory that the Mushroom World is really a PoTA-style future Earth. Brooklyn was one of the few locations that remained over the who-knows-how many years that the Earth took to change. Heck, you could say that the village the stork arrives in at the end of YI is Brooklyn.
-
Here's a nice map:
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm8.staticflickr.com%2F7048%2F6894792840_46330d5427_o.jpg&hash=529d33fd1c15dfce843f53a7a9902165)
You can even buy it (http://mudron.bigcartel.com/product/mushroom-kingdom-map).
-
why would the donut plains courses from smk not be, y'know, in donut plains
-
The Chocolate Island courses aren't in Chocolate Island either.
Also having the SMRPG worlds off to the side like that results in there being three Yoshi's Islands and two Mushroom Kingdoms.
-
And two Bowser's Castles.
-
If that's how the Mushroom Kingdom is shaped, why does Mario always bother taking the long way around to Bowser's Castle?
-
Did the Special Zone get shafted there? I can't seem to find it anywhere, assuming that thing up in the center of the sky appears to be Rainbow Road. Unless the curve on the right side of Rainbow Road IS the Special Zone...
-
The Toads with gold trim jackets are Peach's cabinet members
Green, red, yellow, blue, purple, Toadsworth, Toadette, and Toad are all Peach's high ranking officials (I'm assuming), which is why we always see only them ever doing something useful when Bowser invades.
-
Here's a nice map:
Awesome picture!
Toad, you make a pretty good point there, but weren't there other red, yellow, and green Toads at the start of Super Mario Galaxy?
-
I'm still unsure.. I forget if they had gold trim or not, but they were definitely higher rank than the other Toads since they got the reccomendation at the end (end game spoilers there, just in case)
-
I think he means the Toad Town civilians wandering around at the prologue.
-
Oh right! I love my theory, but keep forgetting that ALL the TOADS have gold trim. Time to re-theorise..
Edit: Ok! The Toad Brigade are Peach's cabinet members. Why Toad/Toadette/Toadsworth weren't there (or where they were) is anybody's guess.
-
Toad is the red toad in the Toad Brigade.
-
Luigi is dead and nobody realizes it.
Not even Luigi himself. This is why the mansion just won't go away, and also why he has the Negative Zone in Brawl. Luigi is dead and his soul is still kicking around. It's just...nobody knows he's dead and neither does he. Also, the "L is Real" plaque in the castle courtyard is actually his gravestone, but nobody realizes that because they can't read it.
-
Then who buried him? What does Peach think?
-
Maybe he just vanished and came back like a Jedi.
-
How Super Mario Land started. (http://news.yahoo.com/photos/easter-island-statues-have-bodies-too-slideshow/)
-
Mario Kart Double Dash's two-man kart system hasn't returned because too many of the characters hate each other.
Everything was going fine until the 150cc races. Then everyone was paired with someone outside of their usual team. For some matches, this was acceptable. For others, it was just awkward. For a few, there was nothing but burning hatred. Koopa Troopa was paired with someone like Petey Piranha, and one racist comment led to another, and soon Koopa was dead. Dead! Petey was permabanned, Koopa became Dry Bones for Mario Kart DS while he waited for his flesh to grow back.
The tyrannical human dictators (http://themushroomkingdom.net/board/index.php?topic=13781.msg594790#msg594790) had the power to command earthquakes.
EVERYTHING is afraid of earthquakes in Mario's world. If something heavy drops or jumps close by, Mario is petrified. If Mario does that huge cape-stomp move, everything dies. It's all just bad memories.
-
I thought of this one while playing some Mario vs. Luigi with lives on yesterday.
The mini mushroom was intended to be a biological weapon
It was a prototype of the poison mushroom, and it's ability to make anyone die in one hit was used against enemies, but they could sneak into small spaces and it was decided to engineer a better solution.
-
The Koopa Kingdom has a monopoly on hammers and boomerangs, the Mushroom Kingdom has a monopoly on fire and ice
Of these four...
Hammers: Most common Bro type, least common Mario power-up
Boomerangs: Second-most common Bro type, appeared as a somewhat above-average-awesome powerup in 3D Land and no other game, uncommon, but not nearly as sacred as the Hammer Suit was
Ice: Ice Bros aren't so common at all, but Ice Flowers were almost on the same level as Fire Flowers in NSMBW.
Fire: Fire Bros are pretty rare. Even though they appear in more games than Ice Bros do, the ratio of Ice Bros to Fire Bros as well as the consistent ratio of Boomerang and Hammer Bros to Fire Bros make them appear to be really rare. And I don't think I have to say much about how easily Mario gets his hands on fire.
-
You could get a blue boomerang as a power-up in SMA4, but only via e-Reader. Actually I think the card for it was only released in Japan. :P
-
The Mario and Wario bros are personifications of hot dog condiments
Mario: Red: Ketchup. Standard, normal, agreeable. Generally the first thing that comes to mind. Player 1 all the way.
Luigi: Green: Relish. A big one, but not as iconic as ketchup. Some people don't like it. Some people love it.
Wario: Yellow: Mustard. You love it or you hate it. It's got a strong, offensive type of flavor. Despite that it seems to be more popular than relish; Wario has more of his own starring roles than Luigi.
Waluigi: Purple: Grape Jelly. You don't put that on a hot dog, you moron! But you could... if you really wanted to... Likewise, Waluigi's very existence is ambiguous. He's only ever appeared in the spin-offs. Are those canon? In any case Waluigi is kind of a weirdo.
-
But then what is the hot dog?
-
Oh yeah! Them. I think they are related to the Muku-Muku's from Mario RPG. They even have a similar design, though you never see the Muku's feet.
I'm gonna have to retract my previous response to this. Deezer discovered they're called "Mokomoko" in Japan. You made one hell of a guess there, Toady-boy.
-
The Mario and Wario bros are personifications of hot dog condiments
Mario: Red: Ketchup. Standard, normal, agreeable. Generally the first thing that comes to mind. Player 1 all the way.
Luigi: Green: Relish. A big one, but not as iconic as ketchup. Some people don't like it. Some people love it.
Wario: Yellow: Mustard. You love it or you hate it. It's got a strong, offensive type of flavor. Despite that it seems to be more popular than relish; Wario has more of his own starring roles than Luigi.
Waluigi: Purple: Grape Jelly. You don't put that on a hot dog, you moron! But you could... if you really wanted to... Likewise, Waluigi's very existence is ambiguous. He's only ever appeared in the spin-offs. Are those canon? In any case Waluigi is kind of a weirdo.
Nintendo needs to start selling these now. I would buy so much Waluijelly.
-
That sounds dirty.
-
I'm gonna have to retract my previous response to this. Deezer discovered they're called "Mokomoko" in Japan. You made one hell of a guess there, Toady-boy.
Well I mean look at their designs. How could anybody have missed it.. :B
-
Woulda been pretty easy to miss, seeing as no one remembers a thing about SMRPG except Geno. Haaaaaaaa
Interesting that they'd think to bring back the Mukumukus. What was their deal anyway. The enemy was only at Star Hill if I remember right, but apparently they were supposed to be some kind of important, because there was an item that summoned one in battle (cost 69 coins and healed 69 HP. Gross)
The only other thing that carried over from SMRPG to anything would seem to be the Shamans, retooled into Merlon's family in Paper Mario, then retooled to be... a cult whose names are actually titles... it's weird 'cause they pass it off like the name indicates your job, but Mushroom Kingdom Merlon and Rogueport Merlon don't do anything even close to the same thing, Rogueport Merluvlee does Mushroom Kingdom Merluvlee and Merlon's jobs, Rogueport has no Merlow and instead gives his job to Dazzle, and Merlee's job has been perfectly consistent for all three games, right down to her apparent need to speak in rhyme.
What's up with THAT, huh
-
I'm not sure why, but my brain always imagines that
Miis are singing the BAHs
There's not much evidence for this theory, aside from the fact that NSMB and the Wii both came out in 2006. SM64 had some BAHs though. Maybe they were sung by some kind of ur-Mii.
-
The 1,000,000 coins are being collected because Mario was threatened by Wario.
Wario wanted to make a statue or a castle or something made of gold because he could.
-
SM64 had some BAHs though
What. Where?
-
Does the "Course Start" theme count as BAHs? Maybe not. That makes my theory stronger then.
-
I always thought the BAHs in Mario 64 were being sung by the Bob-ombs. My 5-year-old ears took them to sound very similar to the Bob-omb Buddy's voice.
-
I seem to remember a similar sound being used for cancelling something/answering no to something in Mario Party 2. Or at least it sounded similar to me. So my mind connected that to the otherworldly source of faceless text that offers you those Yes/No dialogues. Which may as well also be the voice that narrates when there's no narrator character, describes items and gives tutorials.
-
I don't think "Course Start" has BAHs. It may just be a harp or some other stringed instrument playing very high.. I'm just having a hard time remembering Bahs in SM64 (odd considering that they are a unique musical tone/sound effect).
-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCoUY-xcsaQ
In case anyone needs a refresher.
-
I seem to remember a similar sound being used for cancelling something/answering no to something in Mario Party 2. Or at least it sounded similar to me. So my mind connected that to the otherworldly source of faceless text that offers you those Yes/No dialogues. Which may as well also be the voice that narrates when there's no narrator character, describes items and gives tutorials.
That reminds me of another theory:
The narrator from Mario Parties 1-5 is the Talking Parrot.
You know, the one from the Option House? He also appears in Mario Party 3.
-
The one that goes "Start!" "Feeneesh!" "New Rec-OARD"? That voice was distinctly female, I thought
-
Then that means the parrot is a girl. :P
-
Competing theory:
The narrator from Mario Parties 1-5 is Pac-Man
To pay back this favor, Mario later narrated Pac-Man Vs.
-
But that voice sounds nothing like any of the voices Pac-Man has ever had over the years. :P
-
Huh. I guess SM64's Star Select is BAHs..
I wish I had something more to add to this topic right now..
-
Toads are robots
The mushroom head is actually a casket containing large, complex computers that simulate a sentient creature's decision-making and thought processes very, very convincingly. They are also equipped with teleporters that enable them to reach worlds and galaxies before Mario does. Because Toad is a robot, in SMB2, he can out-power even the Mario Bros. and lift heavy vegetables very quickly, but his heavy metallic body doesn't let him jump as high. In NSMBW Blue and Yellow Toadbots' jumps are augmented by tiny rocket packs. They have retractable parts to simulate the way Mario shrinks when he gets hurt.
-
There's a robot in our midst.
-
Darn it. They figured me out!
/me runs
-
When a character jumps games, they appear as a cameo in the game they've jumped into
I realise this can't be further researched until Wreck-It Ralph comes to theatres (and therefore, possible related games are also released), but Ralph jumps between games in the movie. If he appears in the player's line of sight, I wonder if the player would think "Whoa! Ralph cameo!"
-
Does that mean game jumping has to be officially sanctioned by a given game company for it to be safe?
-
So that's what Culex was doing.
-
Yes Chef. I believe something like that is a good answer.
I didn't think Culex was from any form of Final Fantasy, just styled after common elements from the series.
-
The Final Fantasy IV boss music jumped games, though.
-
Wasn't the castle town music in SMRPG from an FF game as well?
-
Maybe Culex brought his cd player and favorite FF music with him. XD
That's the first I've heard of Mushroom Kingdom's music being from another game..
-
Wasn't the castle town music in SMRPG from an FF game as well?
Nope.
-
Obviously Culex isn't in any Final Fantasy game because he game-jumped out of it!
-
I wonder where he is now...
-
Mario killed him in battle, remember?
-
Birdo is surprisingly Female.
The reason Birdo's gender has been difficult to ascertain is because her genitalia are not in the usual location. Her exterior female parts are hidden in plain sight: on her face. This is how she fires eggs from her "mouth." Her speech is actually a series of... I'm not sure if it's too inappropriate to say the Q-word, but it certainly aligns with the timbre of her "voice."
-
Mario killed him in battle, remember?
But what about that scene afterward, where he gave Mario the Quartz Charm and calmly moonwalked away as a comrad in arms.
-
I never did beat Culex. >>
Presumably he died anyway. He did say he can't survive in Mario's dimension.
-
He survived long enough to be defeated in battle, give Mario a neat item, and moonwalk away.. Sorry I spoiled it..
-
I think the rule is anything five years old or older can be spoiled freely and no one is allowed to complain.
Remember when everyone was whining and crying over character unlock spoilers for Mario Kart Wii? That was hilarious
-
The koopalings are not related to Bowser (http://www.screwattack.com/news/koopalings-are-not-related-bowser)
Oh wait, that's canon?!
-
I uh, kinda touched on that earlier in the thread. The very first post to be precise.
-
Not his children, though they could still be related.
Also (http://www.screwattack.com/news/koopalings-are-not-related-bowser/images/2731546) also:
Perhaps the Dr. Mario you're thinking of was maybe, in some way, not necessarily legitimate.
Dr. Mario's parents were not married.
-
Either that or he's a quack.
-
I can actually see the Koopalings being his niece and nephews. For the number of them and the sheer variety of their appearances, this seems more realistic than the idea that they were all his work. Unless more than one mother was involved.
Although, with the type of cartoon rules that Mario's world obeys, Bowser having eight kids with instantly-recognizable outstanding features isn't far-fetched in itself. It makes Bowser Jr. the weird-looking one, for being so much like his father and sharing his name despite (until now) apparently being the youngest.
For what it's worth I've always for some reason had it in the back of my mind that the Koopalings WERE, in fact,
CREATED BY...DARK MAGIC
likely supplied by Kamek. I don't know where I got that idea but it's always at least been a "well maybe" for me.
-
Cartoon logic is more likely to give a character a bunch of nephews with absolutely no knowledge of who their parents are or why the character is stuck raising them (Donald, Popeye, Toucan Sam, etc.), which is why I also attribute this to Bowser.
-
I uh, kinda touched on that earlier in the thread. The very first post to be precise.
I know I must have read that at some point, I just forgot. At the very least I contributed a partial confirmation.
-
The Koopalings are the same species as Boom Boom and Pom Pom
-
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhrwiki.org%2Fw%2Fimages%2Fthumb%2F2%2F23%2Fpompom.PNG%2F220px-pompom.PNG&hash=c4efda4708a10cb6b300cc340d78a079)
-
Exactly
-
Of course they're the same species. They're Koopas.
-
I've always thought of Koopas more as a genus than a species.
-
Well there're certainly lots of different types of Koopas. Troopas, Lakitus, Spinies, Beetles, Bros., and Boom Boom/Bowsers.
-
Bowser and a Buzzy Beetle are definitely not the same species. Same family at most... then there'd probably be a split for bipeds and quadrupeds, and THEN you start getting into the specifics.
The idea I was meaning to get across is that the Koopalings, Boom Boom and Pom Pom aren't the same as Bowser and Jr., which comes from Jr.'s horns. None of the Koopalings, nor Boom Boom, have them, despite (most of them) clearly being older than Jr. In fact, now that it's not the case that they are "Bowser's kids," that could also mean they aren't all "kids" either; possibly all full-grown adults, with the probable exceptions of Larry and Lemmy. Although, Boom & Pom don't have spikes on their shells while the 'lings do. So maybe not. Or maybe so, because the shells are removable and interchangeable. Or maybe all mentioned are the same species and are simply manifesting very different genes, like different dog breeds do. These are the things that fascinate me
Dealing with a retcon like this is interesting. It changes so much and so little at the same time!
-
Boom Boom had spikes in Mario 3, but in 3D Land he no longer has them.
Iggy, Morton, Roy and Ludwig definitely look older than the rest in New Wii and New 2. I always assumed Lemmy was just a midget. He's also the only one without teeth.
-
Lemmy was either said to be second-oldest, or everybody just guessed that the order they were fought in SMB3 reflected their ages, ascending. It certainly wouldn't be impossible even if they were all fully-grown, but Larry's voice makes him sound like he's obviously supposed to be a kid, Lemmy doesn't sound or look much older, if any, and the rest all sound like they could be adults (especially comparing them to Boom Boom, who I dunno, I've always taken as being a fully-grown flunky), with Iggy appearing to be teenaged...
So the question here is, if they're not Bowser's children, how much else of what was previously true for them now is no longer? Are they related to each other?
-
I like to think they aren't. They look way too different. At this point they're like Bowser's band of kooky relatives. If they're his nephews and niece then it's very likely Bowser has like seven brothers/sisters.
Suddenly, the idea of Iggy and Spike being Koopa's cousins in the Mario movie makes a teensy bit more sense...
-
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that.
Now we just need a Super Koopa Cousins spin-off.. XD
-
....No we don't. XD
-
The Koopalings are Bowser's parents
Birdos, Yoshis, and Mushroom World humans have very different sexual reproduction systems than what we are used to. Koopas are different too -- for a Koopa female to become pregnant (at least the species of Koopa that Bowser is), she must be impregnated by seven males. This is why Bowser's species is so rare.
-
Is it normal for Bowser's species to grow several times larger than their parents?
-
If so, either Bowser Jr. is going to be enormous, or he's adopted.
-
Come to think of it, A's theory also raises the question of who Bowser Jr.'s six other fathers are.
-
Probably six random Boom-Booms and a Pom-Pom (or peach???).
Or maybe Kamek is one of them? And Kammy is the mother?
-
Wendy's man-harem.
-
Blue Toad and Yellow Toad are the Mario Bros. young apprentices
Sidekicks in training. Somebody has to pick up the torch when the Mario Bros. are dead. Or maybe just when they get lazy. Or have to go deal with some other princess in some other land. Or whatever
If Paper Mario is NOT an alternate reality...
...Mario sees it like anything else. Instead of 120 Power Stars, it's 7 Crystal Stars. The missions to get them are pretty much the same in his eyes except everyone is talking too much. Scenes like Jolene and her brother's tearful reunion, Mario is standing there thinking "Sheesh why can't I get the star? This cutscene is too long, I see the star, I want-a the star gimme it." Bobbery's broken spirit and tragic past with his wife, Mario is thinking "Okay Mr. Bob-Omb Buddy can you open up-a the cannon now? I really need to go to an island level so I can get me a star, c'mon. Err not cannon, boat? Okay this puzzle is too complicated, where is a Wing Cap?"
-
I'm willing to believe the second one because it's hilarious.
-
It's kinda like how Kazooie usually cares more about the inevitable Jiggy than the well-being of the NPCs in Banjo-Tooie.
-
The enemy designers for Super Mario World were time travelers
A wizard with round glasses? It couldn't be more obvious that the Magikoopa is an homage to Harry Potter
-
How do you explain Chargin' Chuck
-
I don't. You do.
-
Bowser was running out of minions, so he decided to just recruit the Koopa Kingdom's national football team.
-
Lantern Ghosts are Poes
The pipes they pop out of are portals from Zeldaland. Their appearances change from game to game in the Zelda series depending on the style, so it only makes sense that they appear in Yoshi Game as goofy-looking sheet ghosts.
-
I believe you meant "Hyrule".
So how come Yoshi can't go there even when the game lets you go down the Lantern Ghost pipe?
-
Oh, sorry. *Grooseland
because of the floor at the bottom, duh! It's a one-way for some reason. Maybe whoever built it was all like "Nu-UH we don't want none of that crazy Mario crap over here"
-
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthemushroomkingdom.net%2Fimages%2Fss%2Fss_lozalttp.gif&hash=01208e6f0ba8aedc4e2b4c5c381d2f74)
Did the Poes paint all the portraits of Mario in Link to the Past?
Also, if it's a one-way pipe, does that mean Chain Chomps, Piranha Plants, Goombas, Lakitus, and whatever other Mario enemies are in Zelda are actually originally from Grooseland?
-
Yeah totally (why are you askin' me? Think whatever you want!)
-
Seeing as most of those made their Zelda debut in Link's Awakening, maybe they came from Subcon to Grooseland to the Mushroom Kingdom.
-
Super/Ultra Boots/Hammer are also from Grooseland
Toadette in TTYD is actually four Boot/Hammer spirits, like Fi was for the Goddess Sword. What other explanation could there be for her coming out of nowhere to explain how to use them?
-
A fan theory I devised while playing Luigi's Mansion years ago:
Some of the portrait ghosts in Luigi’s Mansion might be based on the Addams Family.
The mustached Neville is Gomez, Lydia is Morticia, Nana is Morticia’s mom, the bald Uncle Grimly is Uncle Fester, and Shivers the lanky, fire-fearing butler is Lurch.
Another Luigi's Mansion theroy:
Most of the normal ghosts are ghosts of dead monkeys.
This explains why many of them float around on their bellies and swing their arms as though they were running on all fours. It also explains why some like bananas, some hang from ceilings, and some clap their hands like chimps.
Does anyone besides me know what the Addams Family is?
-
The trees of Boggly Woods are a rare sort and did not grow naturally
A normal tree's leaves are green 'cause the dark color pulls in more sunlight. So having white leaves is a completely retarded trait for a tree to have. But some ******* decided to plant a bunch of the poor things despite their genetic horribleness. just because they're pretty. So it's kind of like a forest of pugs.
Ghosts just love racing
You vs. Boo, the Spooky Speedster... and when you race a ghost in Mario Kart Time Trials it is actually a ghost as in a dead guy!!
-
The Mario Bros. were delivered via stork because they are special/significant.
Babies are not usually delivered by stork, but are born or hatched or spawned or whatever. The Mario Bros. are special, possibly even created by the Star Spirits to be delivered to their parents. Storks DO act as a baby delivery service, though, such as returning lost children and dealing with cases of adoption.
Peach's apparent idiocy and/or helplessness is an act.
It's all part of a larger scheme. She's already proven she's capable of handling herself in the RPG games and SPP.
Luigi is very conflicted when it comes to love/attraction.
The spin-off games strongly imply that he and Daisy are attracted to each other and may even be in a relationship. Yet he also appears to be attracted to Peach, considering he reacts to her the same way Mario does: hearts in eyes, blushing, etc. any time she kisses him. He's also seen pining over Princess Eclair in PMTTYD. While never really implied, there may be vague hints of attraction toward Rosalina, considering he insists Mario tell her he found a Green Star, and after 100% completion, a certain photograph (which also includes the Toad Brigade). Interpret that how you will. Luigi seems to wear his heart on his sleeve and very easily develops crushes. It may be due to low self-esteem and/or not knowing what he really wants. Poor Daisy.
Star Kids and Lumas are the same beings.
Star beings in the 3D games just are not drawn with mouths. Compare the Star Spirits' appearances in Paper Mario to Mario Party 5.
The events of SMB2 were real.
Although the ending implies the whole thing was a dream within a dream, Subcon is a real place that can only be accessed via dreaming. It's possible Luigi, Peach, and Toad experienced the same dream. Likewise, some (or all) of the creatures/characters from the game may be equally real, but also asleep in the normal reality/realm, and having the same dream. Kind of like Inception. ...Sort of.
(Oh, I guess CrossEyed kind of already covered (http://themushroomkingdom.net/board/index.php?topic=13781.msg593810#msg593810) this. In a way.)
Bowser Jr. is actually Bowser's younger self.
Bowser's already capable of traveling to the past (YIDS). He brought his younger self to the present and is raising him, with the intent of sending him back to the past after intensive training or something.
OR Bowser Jr. is a clone of Bowser.
Bowser is Jango Fett, Bowser Jr. is Boba Fett and the Koopa Kids are the Clone Troopers.
Not literally, of course. The Koopa Kids were Bowser's failed attempt to start his own Clone Wars, but they sucked so bad he now only uses them for party games. Bowser Jr. was the only one that came out right. This explains why Baby Bowser was suddenly redesigned to look like a copy of Bowser Jr. in PiT.
The Chef basically had the same theory I do. I was even going to use the same Star Wars analogy. Great minds?
Baby Bowser in MLPIT looks different (like Bowser Jr.) because he's older.
Clearly he's older than in YI based on how he talks, plus the Mario Bros. appear to be toddlers instead of newborns. The main physical difference he has in MLPIT is the addition of tiny horns. The bandana is what makes him look more like Jr. In YIDS, he has the same design in his game art as in MLPIT, sans bandana. It'd make sense that he'd grow horns as he ages.
The "Secret" levels in Sunshine are actually alternate Galaxies.
One of these Galaxies was in SMG2. The old Noki in Noki Bay even refers to the "Shell's Secret" as "a pathway to another world [that] has opened above [their] fair land."
Peach's Toad "Grandma" in SMRPG isn't really her grandma.
It's a term of endearment, like how many people call certain family friends "Aunt" or "Uncle". Or she's Peach's adoptive grandmother. It's possible "Grandma" is also related to Toadsworth, who's a father-like figure.
Okay, so, these last two probably belong in Mariology, but considering that thread's been inactive for over a year...
Rosalina's mother and the lost Luma's mother are the same person: Rosalina from an alternate timeline/universe.
This makes their story all the more tragic. Rosalina A reboots universe and at some point (including possibly the past) returns to her home (Mario's) planet (Universe B). The Comet Observatory is abandoned and/or destroyed and goes dormant. Eventually she marries and has two children--a son and daughter. The daughter is Universe B Rosalina. Rosalina B finds a lost Luma and they set about looking for his mother, who, ironically, was there all along. The dormant comet they find was the original Comet Observatory, which they unknowingly recreate. The Lumas they later find immediately call her "Mama" because she (her alternate self) IS their Mama. By then she had aged enough that the resemblance is clear, and they recognize her. Eventually Rosalina B reboots the universe, and, well... It becomes a cycle that endlessly repeats itself.
The Mario universe has a split timeline...
...Thanks to time-traveling. Similar to Zelda. I haven't quite figured it out, but here's a tentative split timeline (http://starhaven.kontek.net/tmk/MarioSplitTimeline.png) I came up with for funzies.
-
The Karts run on player frustration
If everything's quiet, you start losing. Time to swear your way back to first place!
Ms. Mowz leaves badges behind when she goes hunting to advertise her store
Seems like there's a badge or two in each location you meet her, when reason says that a thief who can literally smell treasure wouldn't leave any booty behind. So they're like free samples with the shop's address scribbled on the backs
Mario is narcoleptic
Not as much as Link, but, he falls into a deep sleep pretty quick. Paper Mario even more so, falls asleep standing up in no time
-
The "Secret" levels in Sunshine are actually alternate Galaxies.
One of these Galaxies was in SMG2. The old Noki in Noki Bay even refers to the "Shell's Secret" as "a pathway to another world [that] has opened above [their] fair land."
Which could mean...
The Magic Paintbrush painted the paintings in SM64
Of course, I guess it's never said that the portals in SMS were caused by the paintbrush.
-
Yes, it was never said. That doesn't mean it wasn't shown. The first portal in SMS was painted by Shadow Mario.
-
But who wielded said Magic Paintbrush in 64? Bowser Jr. certainly doesn't possess the artistic merit to paint lifeike landscape portraits such as those in Peach's Castle.
-
Vincent Van Gore, before he became a ghost.
The paintings in SM64/64DS were his attempts to create life-like works of art. Some of them were just a bit too surreal..
-
Flurrie is a Lumpy Space Person
Yah I mean, sure, whatever...
Ohhh my glob Mario, the punies are so lumping adorable
-
I mentioned this question elsewhere, but are Peach and Bowser still technically wed? I mean, if their marriage was legitimate enough to release the Chaos Heart, wouldn't they have to go through a divorce? I got some interesting responses elsewhere, but I'd like to see what you guys think. I guess it's probably right to assume Peach was able to end the wedding with her authority as a princess. (Sorry if this idea has been mentioned somewhere in the previous 17 pages.)
-
It is good to assume that yes, Peach's rights as a princess could stop a marriage, but let's not forget they were wed until their games ended. Since Peach and Bowser both ended up in the Underwhere later, I think it's safe to say that's also when their marriage ended (even if Bowser didn't think so.. XD
)
-
Since Peach and Bowser both ended up in the Underwhere later, I think it's safe to say that's also when their marriage ended
This is an excellent sentence to read out loud.
-
I mentioned this question elsewhere, but are Peach and Bowser still technically wed? I mean, if their marriage was legitimate enough to release the Chaos Heart, wouldn't they have to go through a divorce?
I like to think they didn't bother with a divorce and both just don't give a [dukar].
Hotel Mario is canon and set at the end of timeline.
The Mario bros are on the onset of senility and years of poor diet, exposure to various hazards and strenuous physical efforts have taken their toll on the body. This is demonstrated by Mario's even more pronounced rotundness, everyone's awkward movement and the continuous attempts at communicating with a non-existent entity.
-
Mario is not human, but an Italian Jumping Bean
Really, think about it.
-
Nah, then he'd be green and crack terrible jokes all the time.
-
There’s a story of a Romano-British king and a rival from somewhere in Scythia that FORESAW MARIO AND SONIC’S RIVALRY!
Read this article on King Marius of Britain and his rival Sodric, and tell me this is not the greatest fan theory ever: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marius_of_Britain.
-
It's not the greatest fan theory ever.
What? I'm just following instructions!
It's actually kinda funny. I chuckled.
-
It's not the greatest fan theory ever.
What? I'm just following instructions!
It's actually kinda funny. I chuckled.
I just saw through your spoiler as I started writing this. Thanks.
-
I'm pretty sure Marius and Sodric are related to Dolan and Gooby.
-
I'm pretty sure Marius and Sodric are related to Dolan and Gooby.
Who?
-
Google is your friend.
-
No friend would introduce you to Dolan :( (
-
'nother theory:
Donkey Kong Jr. and all games featuring him have been wiped from canon as of 2006.
Much like how Yoshi's Island changed Mario's birthplace from Brooklyn to the Mushroom Kingdom and how NSMBWii made the Koopalings into Bowser's minions rather than his kids, Yoshi's Island DS effectively replaced DK Jr. with Baby DK, rendering the events of all games featuring DK Jr. non-existent. Sad, I know.
-
Donkey Kong Jr. became a Neo-Nazi in 2006
He started studying Nazism in school, at first "because it's interesting," but then his ideals became twisted and his ambitions destructive. The family disowned him and do not talk about him anymore.
-
The toads you see throughout the games (especially the Paper Mario's) are the upper levels of an elaborate trafficking scheme. They sell the heads of the kidnapped for profit
We know that Toad heads can come in multiple colors (we see red and green, among others, quite frequently in the Paper Mario games). It also explains why every single toad is so nice to the brothers all the time; without them, business wouldn't be much, and their fame helps maintain that business.
We're through the looking glass, people.
-
Another one:
Donkey Kong and his lineage are direct descendants of King Kong.
King Kong was the originator of the Kong clan.
-
Princess Peach is a powerless figurehead manipulated by a group of Junker-like Toad aristocrats who do all the actual kingdom-administerin'
Because, why not.
-
I kinda already mentioned that in the first post, except mine was a little less harsh. :P
-
Mario was chosen by Rosalina in Super Mario Galaxy not because he was a hero, but because of his shirt color.
He has 1-Ups, he'll be fine.
-
He's on mushrooms. Think about it
-
most creative member of the year, right here
-
Mario's a con man
He actually isn't the hero from the LP.
-
There's no Mario (American) football game because...
Mario himself has the power to kick a football into outer space.
Think about it; from a standstill, in SMB3, Mario could kick a presumably solid block of ice hard enough to get it moving at 3 pixels per frame. Assuming Mario's about 5'8" and 28 pixels tall (roughly), that makes a 16-pixel block about 1 meter on a side. Since ice has a density of roughly 917 kg/m3, that means the ice block would weigh about 917 kg, and converting units makes 3px/frame = about 11.25 m/s. If Mario were to kick a football, which weighs about 430 grams tops (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_(ball)), with the same force, it would end up going about 24,000 m/s (~Mach 70), or twice Earth's escape velocity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity#List_of_escape_velocities). Then again, gravity in Mario's world can be calculated to be about 10 times Earth's, but either way, that's a heck of a powerful kick.
-
That didn't stop him from playing soccer, did it?
-
I guess he's just got incredibly good fine-tuning skills with that ridiculous power, then. I suppose you could also hand-wave the initial observation with the "SMB3's a play" theory, but then again, Mario picks up similar ice blocks and throws them at comparable speed in NSMBW.
-
Frappe Snowland is near Kirby's Dream Land.
If you listen (http://nospoiler.com/y/_WSqi8I9Fls) closely, you can hear Kirby getting (http://www.hark.com/clips/pllmzcpkmg-kirby-extra-life) 1-Ups.
-
Does that mean the Mushroom World is on Pop Star? It would make sense given all the Mario cameos and such in Kirby's series.
-
And Dinosaur Land's parts being named for food?
-
I always figured that was because Dinosaur Land's primary inhabitants, the Yoshis, were very food-driven, and so named each area after what food it reminded them of most.
With a few exceptions.
-
Mmmmmm... Bowser...
-
Don't knock it 'til you try it.
-
Yuck! How repulsive!
Why Yoshi Waits
When Yoshi stops outside of a Ghost House or Castle, he is likely thinking "Oh I'll just get in the way if I go in there with you"
-
I brought Yoshi into a Ghost House using a cheat on Snes9x. His head turned into a Chargin' Chuck.
-
Yoshi owes the ghosts money
He sort of made a few bad decisions, got messed up with the Trersafia, so now he can't be seen in a Ghost House again.
-
Ghost Houses are surrounded by Munchers (http://www.mariowiki.com/Muncher) in very tight spaces
This is how Mario can meet up with Yoshi after clearing the level, and yet Mario doesn't just take the same path around that Yoshi takes.
At some point between World and NewWii, Munchers got stronger (either a mutation, or Bowser recruiting stronger ones), and Yoshi's shoes are no longer thick enough to repel them. Because of this, Yoshi would not be able to go around the ghost houses anymore. He now has to take more circuitous paths around the worlds to meet up with Mario again, and the only places where Yoshi's path intersects with Mario's are the Yoshi levels in NewWii.
-
I always took it that when Mario blows up/kicks over the castle, Yoshi can follow 'cause it's gone.
-
Ghost houses, though, not castles.
-
Whoops
-
My take on the matter:
Yoshi can't go in castles and Ghost Houses because Mario doesn't trust the player.
He thinks the player will inevitably lose Yoshi inside the castle/Ghost House so he just leaves him outside and re-saddles after clearing the place out.
-
Or:
Ghost Houses are Purgatory.
Yoshi is too scared to venture in the depths of Purgatory.
-
What about the Sunken Ship? Yoshi could go there..
-
Yoshi came to terms with his fate by then.
-
Yoshis are afraid of going through doors on buildings.
Castles and Ghost Houses have a door right on the front. The Haunted Shipwreck has no front door.
-
Yoshi goes through doors all the time in Mario 64 DS.
-
What about the Sunken Ship? Yoshi could go there..
That's because ghosts don't mean Purgatory, the actual Ghost Houses are gateways to Purgatory.
-
Yoshi goes through doors all the time in Mario 64 DS.
He's overcome his fear. Or...
Super Mario 64 DS is Yoshi dreaming that he's the hero to rescue Peach
In this dream, Yoshi is able to open doors and conquer many obstacles that would otherwise prove to be a challenge for even Mario. But even in his dream, Mario is the one to defeat Bowser, and rescue the Princess, his subconscious finally coming to terms with the fact that he would likely never be as great a hero as Mario. As time goes on, he must take on the persona of others (via the caps) to even be able to complete the challenges, and finds himself cast aside in more extreme cases to make way for the other heroes to save the day. This comes to a head when even he cannot enter the final Bowser door; that true greatness will forever be beyond his reach. This realisation has a negative effect on the stricken Yoshi, and when he awakes on top of the castle to see Mario with all of the 120 stars (i.e: the original game), he concedes that Mario is the hero (albeit by hiding his insane jealousy), provides him with 100 lives then casts himself from the roof of the castle to his demise.
I need sleep.
-
He's overcome his fear. Or...
Super Mario 64 DS is Yoshi dreaming that he's the hero to rescue Peach
In this dream, Yoshi is able to open doors and conquer many obstacles that would otherwise prove to be a challenge for even Mario. But even in his dream, Mario is the one to defeat Bowser, and rescue the Princess, his subconscious finally coming to terms with the fact that he would likely never be as great a hero as Mario. As time goes on, he must take on the persona of others (via the caps) to even be able to complete the challenges, and finds himself cast aside in more extreme cases to make way for the other heroes to save the day. This comes to a head when even he cannot enter the final Bowser door; that true greatness will forever be beyond his reach. This realisation has a negative effect on the stricken Yoshi, and when he awakes on top of the castle to see Mario with all of the 120 stars (i.e: the original game), he concedes that Mario is the hero (albeit by hiding his insane jealousy), provides him with 100 lives then casts himself from the roof of the castle to his demise.
I need sleep.
That makes more sense than it should.
-
Why? Why??
-
Rawk Hawk from PM2 is actually Nintendo's way of poking fun at Sonic/Sega.
Think about it. They have similar eyes that both scream, "I'm God's gift to the world, and you're not," they have similar hairstyles, and they fly through the air at similar speeds while rolled into balls. It's possible the message that Nintendo is trying to convey is that Sega still has a titanic ego, even if it's not one of the "Big Three" game-making companies anymore.
-
Hmm.....
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mariowiki.com%2Fimages%2Fthumb%2F6%2F6b%2FSonic_Sticker.png%2F370px-Sonic_Sticker.png&hash=5b2e6b52a0c03ec096448f0790d3c640) (https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mariowiki.com%2Fimages%2Fthumb%2Fd%2Fda%2FRawkHawkPMTTYD.png%2F458px-RawkHawkPMTTYD.png&hash=4e98c52a1bdc9b9570f03f7318ed1f1f)
....nah.
-
Rawk Hawk looks like he could fit in the Sega universe if he lost a few pounds.
-
If you had suggested to me that he's a parody of Storm the Albatross (http://images.wikia.com/sonic/images/7/75/StormSonicFreeRidersv2.png) I might agree with you...except Sonic Riders came out in 2006.
-
Hmm.....
....nah.
You may choose to disagree, but seeing that comparison left me ROTFL.
Re: Storm the Albatross
Hmm... Sega stole the side-scrolling platform concept from Nintendo. I wonder if they've stolen a character design or two.
-
I can vaguely see the hair comparison.. this one is more than a bit of a stretch.
-
Hmm... Sega stole the side-scrolling platform concept from Nintendo. I wonder if they've stolen a character design or two.
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.texturemonkey.com%2FHCG%2Fblog%2FPacland_%2816%29.png&hash=065fd7fec57000947a6a143907e04c7d)
Surely Nintendo must be an equally filthy thief.
-
When was that game made?
-
1984. A whole year before SMB. Do you really think I'd make a mistake like that?
-
Nintendo and Sega both need to look at actual birds more often.
-
1984. A whole year before SMB. Do you really think I'd make a mistake like that?
I think I get the joke, but I'm not sure.
-
1984. A whole year before SMB. Do you really think I'd make a mistake like that?
No, but I could use a little less of your attitude, dude. Without a doubt, your attention to detail precedes you.
And I guess Nintendo has stolen some character designs as well. I’ve seen artwork for Mario and DK’s first game, and they bear a passing resemblance to Popeye and Bluto, respectively, since Donkey Kong was originally supposed to be a Popeye game.
-
There is a nutty captain of industry character somewhere in Mario's world who is like Willy Wonka, but with plumbing instead of candy
Warp pipes as transportation were originally invented as pipes for sending water and [dukar] from one place to another, and the first person besides him to lay eyes on it was like "So this is a teleporter" and adapted them to send people from place to place. Cannon pipes and those pipes that slide up and down or tilt, I don't know.
-
There is a nutty captain of industry character somewhere in Mario's world who is like Willy Wonka, but with plumbing instead of candy
Warp pipes as transportation were originally invented as pipes for sending water and [dukar] from one place to another, and the first person besides him to lay eyes on it was like "So this is a teleporter" and adapted them to send people from place to place. Cannon pipes and those pipes that slide up and down or tilt, I don't know.
Warp with me..and you'll be...in a world of Miyamoto's imagination...
-
Actually sounds more like something Mario & Luigi would show us. Don't know what can be assumed that Miyamoto thinks about M&L considering what he's done to Paper Mario
-
Warp with me..and you'll be...in a world of Miyamoto's imagination...
Half of the stuff in Mario 1 came from Takeshi Tezuka.
-
Half of the stuff in Mario 1 came from Takeshi Tezuka.
Um, yeah, I know that, but he hardly ever gets any credit.
-
Thanks for making my point for me. I owe you one.
-
Makes me think of Phineas & Ferb, from the episode "No More Bunny Business", when Doof reveals the Giant-Dog-Biscuit-Inator.. "Behold! The Giant-Dog-Biscuit-Inator!
*dogs start barking*
Yes, thank you for making my point for me!"
-
Well, I'm happy Cheffie's happy.
-
*facepalm*
-
*facepalm*
There you go again, thinking I can't detect sarcasm because, gee, I HAVE NO WAY OF HEARING YOUR VOICE!
Anyway, man, now that I know you were trying to spitefully correct me once again when I sung my Willy Wonka parody, really, you should stop that. You're just being annoying. You're not accomplishing anything other than bombarding me with facts most Mario fans already know and really don't care about.
Really, do you expect me to sing: Miyamoto and Tezuka's imagination?
-
Touchy, aren't we?
-
TheColonelKR was actually Miyamoto
And we crucified him.
-
Hey, maybe now the next Paper Mario will be like the first two again.
-
Oh good god wouldn't that be nice. "Looked too much like Thousand Year Door" my ass, Miyamoto. I wanted Sticker Star so badly to be another Thousand Year Door.
-
We all did, Godot. We all did.
-
Merlon is Mario from the future
At least, the Merlon in the first PM game might be. The way his 'stache is shaped and possibly a reason he is all knowing: because he's done it before. That could be why he dresses in an oversized robe and talks the way he does: to hide his true identity.
I also wanted to say that I thought.. Merle, I think, was Luigi from the future. But seeing as he's Melon's son, I don't think that would be possible.
-
Maybe he's just from the nearer future.
-
Ballyhoo is really evil. Seriously, Ballyhoo is shady as hell, and I was really disappointed when I found out he wasn't really a bad guy. Alternatively, Big Top was really created by E. Gadd because I don't know where else a talking top-hat would come from.
-
Ballyhoo and Chuck Quizmo are the same character
Maybe they just take on different personas in the Mario Party universe (assuming every series takes place in a different universe). That would explain why his lovely assistant disappeared/became a hat. Except he was already wearing a top hat..
The spin-offs take place in the same vein as the last adventure
(I wanted to word that differently but forgot how I wanted to spell it out as I was typing..)
That's Petey Pirahna and King Boo became playable in many of the Gamecube spin-offs.. The spin-offs seem to follow the same sort of rules that the last major adventure game had (ie: SMW had a Chocolate Island location, SMK had Choco Island tracks. Or Super Mario Sunshine had Ricco Harbor as a location, Mario Power Tennis had a Ricco Harbor court. Stuff like that..)
-
Mario doesn't invite Bowser over to karting/sporting events--the Koopa King just invites himself over.
Well, that's how it's shown in the beginning of Mario Tennis.
-
Birdo believes he's female because he's able to lay eggs asexually.
And because they can reproduce this way, there are no female Birdos either.
-
Shoes give Koopa Troopas the power to walk upright.
In all games where Koopas have shoes, they walk upright. Whenever they walk on all fours, they're barefoot. POWER IN THE SHOES!
"Larger" types of Koopas don't need shoes to walk upright, though.
-
The baby Yoshis in Super Mario World are not actually babies
Suddenly the egg hatched, and out popped a young dinosaur named YOSHI, who
proceeded to tell Mario and Luigi a sad tale of how his dinosaur pals who
were sealed in similar eggs by a group of monstrous turtles.
On the surface, this is referring to the gold Yoshi eggs that follow Mario after clearing a castle, but I theorize that it also applies to the red, yellow, and blue Yoshis in the Star World. Those Yoshis were adult Yoshis that were sealed into eggs by Koopalings. So it's not that they eat five things and grow up into big Yoshis, it's that eating five things somehow breaks the curse on them and returns them to their actual size.
Why do green Yoshis come out of the eggs big, then? Well, they actually don't. For a few frames when the egg first hatches, the green Yoshi is baby-sized, and then becomes big. Also note that this also holds true for all colors of Yoshis gotten outside of Star World in the GBA version. It seems there is something about Dinosaur World that breaks the curse right away once the egg is released from the block. The ones in Star World don't have whatever it is about the ambience of Dinosaur World, and so the curse still needs to be broken.
This is why the baby Yoshis in Yoshi's Story, Thousand-Year Door, and New Super Mario Bros U do not grow up no matter how many things they eat (sidenote: Does anyone know how many Yoshi Cookies you have to feed to the baby Yoshi on Yo'ster's Isle to make him fat?).
On a similar note:
Toads now manufacture blocks
The blocks in the original SMB were Toads that had been transformed by Koopa magic, as the manual states, and Peach turned them back into Toads after the game was over. But when Mario explained to the Toads how much the blocks had helped him in his journey, they set out to create a global network of blocks (this time not made from Toads (actually, though, maybe they are? Maybe when a Toad dies, they can have their body donated to the Block Ministry?)), so that whenever Mario needed to go on another adventure, he would have coins and powerups safely stored away for him (as it seems that no other species is able to open ?-Blocks). They also began researching new types of powerups. Some, like Super Mushrooms and Fire Flowers are naturally occurring (Super Leaves and Super Acorns may also be natural, or there might be some genetic engineering going on there (especially with the P-Acorn)), but many other powerups were created by Mushroom Kingdom researchers. The intro to New Super Mario Bros Wii gives us a glimpse at this, with the presentation of two recently completed powerups, and their initial distribution throughout the world.
Blue Toad and Yellow Toad were powerup testers for the Mushroom Kingdom research center
They have gone through extensive training to match Mario and Luigi's physical skills, so that their testing of the powerups can be as accurate as possible.
Also, the block research lab in Woohoo Hooniversity shows us the Beanbean Kingdom's reverse-engineering of the Mushroom Kingdom's blocks, which they used to develop their own models. It's not clear whether they're doing this under the supervision of the Mushroom Kingdom, as a project for the Mushroom researchers, or if it's something they're doing on their own. The fact that the "Beanbean Ambassador" at the beginning of the game claimed to come with the intention of improving the relationship between the kingdoms suggests that their past may not be a particularly smooth one. The Beanbean block research may have been a defense operation.
Another thing I've been thinking about: How does the stork factor into Yoshi reproduction? Now, we've seen Yoshis hatching from eggs and we've seen Yoshis laying eggs, but we've never actually seen proof that those two are connected. It's possible that the eggs that Yoshis lay are actually a form of defecation, while the eggs that baby Yoshis come from are still delivered by the stork (I forget, was there any explanation of where the baby Yoshi egg at the end of Yoshi's Island DS came from?).
-
I'd be willing to contest that first theory, if only because NSMBU clearly describes them as baby Yoshis.
As for Yoshi eggs, I've always wondered what's inside a non-reproductive egg. Is the Shy Guy (or whatever else) inside still relatively intact, or would it have converted to... never mind.
-
It checks out for me. I'm now of the opinion that all the green Yoshis of SMW are the same, the character named Yoshi, and that when you lose him he gets sealed into an egg and moved to a different block (much like how he vanishes into another egg in Galaxy 2, and becomes one of the egg respawn points; you can even watch this happen), conveniently the first block you hit that WOULD contain a 1-Up... if Yoshi were already with you.
The only thing is that there's Yoshi, and at least one other green one, because Luigi can meet one too.
-
Luigi is never seen riding Yoshi in the official illustrations, therefore he never rides one throughout SMW's plot.
-
And in NSMBW, the official art always depicts each character riding a different colored Yoshi, and in NSMBU, there are no official illustrations of anyone other than Mario riding a Yoshi (the others are shown holding a baby).
There are at least two green Yoshis, though, even not counting the games that Miyamoto hates: the playable green one in YIDS and the baby green one that hatches at the end of the game. Unless that was time travel too.
-
I think it's a safe bet that EVERYONE hates YIDS
-
I liked it. Are there aspects of the game that seriously bother me? Absolutely. Does it pale in comparison to Yoshi's Island? Of course. But it was still a fun and enjoyable game.
I could say the exact same thing about Sticker Star (compared to PM or PMTTYD).
Totally digging those power-up and block research theories, BTW.
-
The Yoshi kid in Thousand-Year Door is canonically green, judging by his Catch Card.
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mariowiki.com%2Fimages%2F2%2F2e%2FYoshiCard.png&hash=4f2c85f7c8440f42256976fcb464f22a)
It's Yoshi from the last Paper Mario adventure. This scrappy Yoshi was the only way to travel!
There's also a green adult Yoshi on the Excess Express after finishing the chapter. I'll have to go back and check its dialogue and tattle some time.
And then there's this:
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mariowiki.com%2Fimages%2Fd%2Fd9%2FStampede.jpg&hash=aa37e53cdcb793ec261ff7b8499ad294)
-
Yeah absolutely. I was just talking in the context of SMW.
-
Yoshis have some sort of prophecy about baby Mario
Why else would tons dinosaurs start working their butts off to get one baby to its parents?
-
King Boo doesn't even know Bowser
He only used a Bowser robot in Luigi's Mansion because he believed Bowser is what Luigi would be most afraid of. At that time it would have made sense, but most every game since then has portrayed Luigi as being afraid of ghosts. So he does his own thing in Dark Moon.
King Boo's crown has always been the same one
It looks a little different sometimes for stylistic or just inconsistent reasons, but it's established that the gem is removable. Going further...
The red gem on his crown had some kind of special power that was never made obvious
Dark Moon tiny spoiler: The purple one he had there does. So what does the red one do? Dunno. This is all I got so far.
-
Maybe the Bowser-bot is the red crown's special power.
-
Mario's place in the hypothetical Nintendo shared universe
Most Nintendo series have it easy. Zelda, Kid Icarus, and Fire Emblem in the past. Metroid, Star Fox, and F-ZERO in the future and on different planets, MOTHER 3 probably being as far into the future as you can go... Pokémon, EarthBound, Punch-Out!!, Game & Watch, and StarTropics in the present on different locales of the world, Animal Crossing taking place on an island where kids are sent to camps to serve as stock body parts for a decaying rat monster. Kirby could be anytime, on Popstar. Starfy in the sky and sea.
Until now I have been unable to figure a spot for Mario, which was annoying because I do like the concept of shared universes and Mario is Nintendo's biggest thing. His world is so unique. It doesn't feel like another time period besides the present, it doesn't feel like it should be on another planet besides Earth, and yet it clashes with the idea that anything real or in the more realistic games is happening on the same plane, past present or future. So my idea for it is, it's still a video game no matter where you're seeing it from. With points, levels, powerups, bosses, minibosses, secret levels, time limits and all, it embraces the cliches of video games that most have abandoned, and yet television talks about as though all games still have them.
I've been watching ChalkZone lately and I think that makes a good comparison. Mario's world is like that. It's not real or fake. It follows its own rules and is incredibly meta about it. Everything in it exists, but it's made-up. Mario can visit the other Nintendo characters' worlds and they can visit his, but not by normal means.
I still think Paper Mario (except possibly Sticker Star) is an alternate reality to Super Mario, so I guess Paper could be like a reboot to Super. Still a game, but neither is accessible to the other.
-
Animal Crossing taking place on an island where kids are sent to camps to serve as stock body parts for a decaying rat monster.
I had completely forgotten about that classic story until this sentence dragged my brain screaming back.
-
The reason Donkey Kong appears to have aged but Mario remains more or less the same
Mario's a Time Lord. Every time the player dies, he regenerates behind the black screen and tries again, choosing to keep the same body. He just doesn't have time to change wardrobe. The warp pipe is his TARDIS.
-
Someone's been on TV Tropes.
-
Please don't bring TV Tropes into this.
-
Actually no. I haven't been. I came up with it (or, I thought I came up with it) after reading some Doctor Who stuff.
-
Nabbit owns the Toad House on the Secret Island.
Just look at it. There are bags everywhere that exactly match his, powerups line his shelves (Super Luigi U confirms that he collects powerups), ant the final statistic is "Nabbits Caught," meaning that it could have been added as an afterthought after being caught the first time. But why would he track everything Mario and his friends do?
Nabbit is creating a social network.
He kidnapps Toads for his focus groups.
-
Donkey Kong's world is "real" in the Nintendo shared universe
...And he visits Mario's game world/Mario visits him in the real one most often. So Donkey Kong characters experience time much like any other series but Mario characters are ageless and timeless. The Baby characters appearing in the same games as their adult counterparts with no mention of time travel works with this.
-
Wario's place in this idea o' mine, note that "real" here still just means "the same plane as the other Nintendo worlds"
Wario was born/spawned/created in Mario's world but lives in the real one; Diamond City and possibly some/all of the Wario Land places are real. He went back to take over Mario's Castle (which came out of nowhere due to the nature of the world) thinking that if he could overthrow Mario as the star of the game world, he would be rich in both.
Waluigi has never been to the real world.
I wanna say Yoshi's Island could possibly be real but nah, I can neither think of an explanation as to why a Baby Mario would fall out of the sky in a real setting nor see it as distanced enough from Mario to be. Not as much as Wario or Donkey Kong, by a longshot.
-
New Super Luigi U is the exact same actual events from New Super Mario Bros. U as seen from Luigi's perspective
The endings of both games seem to imply that Mario, Luigi, Yvan and Wolley were all present throughout the entire adventure regardless of whether there was one player, two, three or four, so it's not Luigi going through it after Mario did, or doing it again after the first time. The game is a lot harder and more frantic because that's how much scarier things are to Luigi than they are for Mario. Nabbit actually is Mario, but it's a metaphor. Mario as an invincible monster.
Toad (red spots blue vest) was never one for butt-kicking to begin with
SMB2's Toad was the same blue one in the NSMBs and 3D World all along and the remakes have a coloring error. Toad could be something else, but also important. A reminder of the nonviolence and altruism you're fighting for.
-
I have to say, I love that they went with Blue Toad rather than Red Toad for 3D World for consistency's sake (with SMB2 and the NSMBs); were there any platformers with a playable red Toad outside of the SMB2 remakes?
-
I think no.
-
Here's one I recovered:
Peach is a virgin.
You know how they always keep talking about how "pure" she is? That's G-rated talk for "She's still a virgin". She even acts it. This leads to...
Peach's extraordinary powers come from her virginity.
Healing? Psych Bomb? Peach Beam? That telekinetic lift she does in Bowser's Inside Story? All these powers stem from her virginity. This leads me to one more...
Peach refuses to become Mario's full-time girlfriend in an effort to keep her virginity.
If you had powers like that, wouldn't you want to try and hang to them for as long as possible?
-
So that means she's at least 30.
-
????
-
.
-
Mario is a virgin as well
That's why he does all that stuff for Peach just to win her trust.
-
Oh she's not a virgin...
No virgin would have THIS in their room:
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbulk2.destructoid.com%2Ful%2F127459-find.jpg&hash=88dc67b447269a1c9dbf79e1b3bb7706)
-
Toadstool's ??? IS her virginity. She lost it behind the fireplace.
That's why he does all that stuff for Peach just to win her trust.
What a Nice Guy!
-
Clearly her ??? is her collection of Yaoi manga.
-
Wario's place in this idea o' mine, note that "real" here still just means "the same plane as the other Nintendo worlds"
Wario was born/spawned/created in Mario's world but lives in the real one; Diamond City and possibly some/all of the Wario Land places are real. He went back to take over Mario's Castle (which came out of nowhere due to the nature of the world) thinking that if he could overthrow Mario as the star of the game world, he would be rich in both.
Waluigi has never been to the real world.
I wanna say Yoshi's Island could possibly be real but nah, I can neither think of an explanation as to why a Baby Mario would fall out of the sky in a real setting nor see it as distanced enough from Mario to be. Not as much as Wario or Donkey Kong, by a longshot.
Where do Non-Nintendo characters that have directly interacted with Nintendo characters fit in? (i.e. Snake, Mega Man, Sonic)
-
Their own. SSB isn't canon anything anyway and I'm not trying to conceptualize a way that it would be
-
Super Mario 3D Land takes place in the Mushroom Kingdom's equivalent to California
Maybe that means Super Mario 3D World will take place in the equivalent to Florida.
-
Where'd you get that idea?
-
Disney
-
???
-
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Disney_Parks_and_Resorts
-
Aoh! Toad you're too clever for me
-
...I just got it.
Still an awfully long way to go for the sake of a pun though. :p
-
If nobody got the joke, it wasn't funny.
-
Don't be a dick
-
I didn't make that theory just for the puns. That was a pretty nice side-effect though. :)
And seriously Colonel KoopaTrooper: if you don't like puns, don't read any of my posts.
I realize the impossibility in that. Just saying
-
If nobody got the joke, it wasn't funny.
One person isn't nobody, dumbnuts.
-
E. Gadd invented the most important thing EVER
Coffee.
I'm thinking, and thinking, and thinking some more, but I don't think coffee was ever seen in a Mario game prior to Superstar Saga. This is why the Beanbean Machine at Starbeans Cafe was such a big deal and spoken of like it were an all-new invention. It was. They don't even know the word "coffee". Gadd asks if he can try "this new drink" and comments on the bitterness, and that on the energy it's giving him.
Gadd is Prometheus reincarnated. He is a shaman of science. He is a true genius.
-
What did they serve at the cafe before that?
-
Milk?
-
It was just some fastfood joint before that, perhaps. Or maybe there was no restaurant site before Gadd invented coffee.. There may not even have been a building there before.
-
Gadd owns the building and had it built for this purpose, yes.
-
Does that mean he also might have accidentaly supplied the ghosts too? Maybe they followed him and decided to haunt the place.
It's pretty fortuitous the Mario Bros showed up when they did..
-
Noses give you superpowers.
Mario, Luigi, and Peach have noses yet none of the Toads do. The size of the nose is porportional to your abilities, explaining why Peach has a few magical abilities, but Mario and Luigi have superhuman strength and speed and the ability to harness powerups. Also,
Blue Toad and Yellow Toad had their noses stolen.
-
One wonders what a Toad would look like with a nose.
-
Didn't BP make an awesome photoshop once of the Toad crew from Mario Sunshine with their respective colored noses/mustaches (ie: red had Mario's nose/stache, green had Luigi's, etc..)
-
Mario has slight psychic powers
At least in 3D Land anyway. That's why he turns his head in the direction of hidden boxes, or turns to look at grass that has things hidden within.
-
Or maybe he's just a seasoned veteran, haunted by memories of his time as a POW in Vietnam, on which Mario Is Missing was based.
-
So if he's repressing those memories does that mean he's POW-Blocking?
-
Or maybe he's just a seasoned veteran, haunted by memories of his time as a POW in Vietnam, on which Mario Is Missing was based.
Don't you mean MARIO's Bombs Away?
-
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mariowiki.com%2Fimages%2Fa%2Fad%2FBombsAwayMP1.png&hash=b16a755d200547ba7616880451a11e25)
-
I'm assuming you've never seen this:
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.intheattic.co.uk%2Fimages%2FG%26amp%3BW%2FReview%2FMarios_Bombs_Away%2FTB-94_Front.jpg&hash=834ef3da510ca66f0d7a6c5a284a4b00)
-
The unmistakable look of Koopa-shell shock.
-
Mario can understand Yoshi because he spent so much time with him as a baby.
This is also why he doesn't speak too much English.
-
Come to think of it, one has to wonder how strong Mario's grasp of the English language is. Is he capable of anything more than the short exclamations he makes?
-
Mario is the boss of Lethal Lava Land
Bullies have only one attack while Mario has a load. It takes one fall into lava to kill Bullies and three to kill Mario. What else does this sound like?
-
Another thing I've been thinking about: How does the stork factor into Yoshi reproduction? Now, we've seen Yoshis hatching from eggs and we've seen Yoshis laying eggs, but we've never actually seen proof that those two are connected. It's possible that the eggs that Yoshis lay are actually a form of defecation, while the eggs that baby Yoshis come from are still delivered by the stork (I forget, was there any explanation of where the baby Yoshi egg at the end of Yoshi's Island DS came from?).
Actually, we have seen evidence: Modern Chef in Game & Watch Gallery 3 and 4. Granted, the Game & Watch Galleries are of dubious canonicity, what with Modern Manhole showing multiple Marios on screen at the same time, but it's something.
-
Toads and yoshis besides the individuals named Toad and Yoshi are false, and those who believe in them will spend their afterlives burning in Lethal Lava Land
-
Yoshi and Toad are in the unfortunate situation of being both the name of a single character and a species. Just like Pikachu, Jigglypuff, and every other Pokémon to appear in SSB.
There are examples in the Mario series too, including Koopa Troopa, Para Troopa, Lakitu, Wiggler, Boo, Shy Guy.. there may be some others but that's all I can think of..
-
Heresy!
-
Super Mario Galaxy 3 confirmed
SM3DW music/character/amount and theme of worlds spoilers ahead:
Super Mario 3D World includes Rosalina, a character from Super Mario Galaxy. There are also some tracks from Galaxy remixed in the game. The game is a sequel to Super Mario 3D Land, which came out on the 3DS. The Galaxy tracks are in World 9, the space themed world. The square root of 9 is 3. Rosalina will also be appearing in the new Super Smash Bros for 3DS. There are 6 pairs of bold tags in this post. 6/2=3
-
And it'll take place in Hoenn and resolve the story of Gordon Freeman and the Combine
-
What did you expect?
-
The Spanish Inquisition.
-
Ba-ba-bump.
The baby characters in the sports games are experimental clones made by Prof. E. Gadd.
Surprisingly, cloning in Mario's world works more like it does in real life. :O
-
The Shy Guy's mask is its face.
It contorts and makes expressions in Mario Strikers Charged. It's totally a removable face. The little robe thing is its body.
In Mario Power Tennis, Shy Guy's mask falls off.
-
It's totally a removable face.
-
Are we doing this?
-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6oAQHROtzs
-
Waluigi is the ghost of sports.
That's why he only shows up in the sports and kart games. Why karts? He died in a crash on Toad's Turnpike.
Waluigi also died before anybody was even born.
He decided to haunt Wario, saw that there was no Wa-Luigi, and became what he would've been.
Wawaluigi didn't die, and is going to capture everybody
He is waiting in Joke's End, and is playing his favorite tune. Why? It gives small children nightmares. 'Nuff said.
-
Mario Kart generates massive revenue for itself and its participants
It's often joked that there's no way that Bowser could possibly afford the manpower, real estate and materials for all of his castles. But what if he actually can? Mario Kart 8's replay-sharing system is dolled up as "Mario Kart TV" and advertised on boards on the tracks in-game, and there is a track called Mario Kart Stadium--not Wario Stadium, not Mario Circuit At Night With Fireworks. It's a track that is just about Mario Kart.
So if Mario Kart is itself an organization, then that organization getting richer and richer explains a lot. It explains each Mario Kart game's tracks becoming steadily more elaborate as time goes on. If the characters buy into it and take some of Mario Kart's money to build racetracks for mutual profit, that explains a few things as well. Bowser would have an awful lot of castles lying around, especially after Super Circuit, and Special Cup in Mario Kart 8 is almost all him. An airship course, a desert course featuring his skeletal likeness, and then the token Bowser's Castle course.
This would also explain why sometimes the theme of the track and the character it's named for don't match. Take Mount Wario for example--why would Wario want to build a ski resort? Wario likes gaudy tributes to himself and plastering his face on anything he owns. But what if that's his plan? He uses his gains from Mario Kart to buy a mountain to serve as his race track, runs a ski resort on it during Mario Kart's downtime, and the money he gains from those will go into a fund to carve his visage into the cliffside, rushmore-style.
-
That's why he only shows up in the sports and kart games.
Mario Party
-
Partying is totally a sport.
-
Partying is totally a sport.
true,true
-
._.
-
:-)
-
ಠ_ಠ
-
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
-
The tower atop Thwomp Fortress was built from the Whomp King's remains, like those Cambodian mausoleums made of skulls
-
*Whomp's Fortress
Now explain how the Whomp King is alive again in Mario Party 3 and Super Mario Galaxy 2.
-
Explain how Bowser is alive again in every game since SMB where he clearly fell into the lava.
-
There's no indication that the lava ever killed him outside of NSMB, in which we clearly Bowser Jr. bring him back to life with the cauldron.
The Whomp King quite obviously explodes when you beat him in Mario 64.
-
Now explain how the Whomp King is alive again in Mario Party 3 and Super Mario Galaxy 2.
Super Mario Galaxy 2's thorwback galaxy is a space dust-induced fever dream by Mario. Mario Party 3 isn't canon.
-
Throwback Galaxy could also be a parallel existing in the same reality. Maybe the Grand Finale Galaxy in the first game is one of the Mushroom Kingdom as well, seeing as you can go to it, return to Rosalina's house, and then go save Peach and her kidnapped castle from Bowser. Any instances of "Hey, you look familiar" don't confirm anything and are meta jokes.
And exploding doesn't mean you died, either. Bob-Ombs are one of the few enemies who respawn in SM64.
-
Well if he immediately respawned, he couldn't have very well left any remains with which to build a castle now could he?
I've actually held the thought for a while that Throwback Galaxy was some sort of time rift. Lubba mentions that you're using the Faceship to travel across "time and space" (emphasis mine), so it's not unusual for them to have crossed into some sort of wormhole that sent Mario back to 1996. Hell, for all we know, any Galaxy could take place in any location in the universe at any point in the past or future. We also know that Rosalina's comet has been traveling across the universe for hundreds of years and she herself hasn't aged a bit, so there's gotta be some sort of time shifting going on out there.
-
Genius
-
So, uh, you guys heard about the whole Rosalina being Peach's/Luigi's daughter, right?
(Part 1:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JcK_Bfe3sw
(Part 2:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzWFuEH9HsA
It's good stuff, there's basically no reason to not call it canon besides it being too weird/morbid, which is a dumb reason. I mean, I think the ideas for this have been floating around for a long time, it's just that this guy has finally brought all of the evidence together.
-
Mario and Luigi (as well as most other humans in the Mario universe) are from Diamond City, which is far from the Mushroom Kingdom
In the RPG Mario games, the cities are often populated by a single species, with the occasional outsider. (e.g. Toads in Toad Town, Goombas and Koopas in their respective villages.) Diamond City is where humans come from, as most characters from Mario games aren't really mentioned in WarioWare outside of microgames. Also, pretty much everyone in Diamond City is weird in some way, this would include Mario and Luigi's superhuman abilities and large noses.
-
Diamond City has more cartoon dogs, cats and pandas than humans, though.
-
Nah, most of the generics are humens or G&W-style silhouettes.
The DIC cartoon trilogy is set in the same universe as G.I. Joe, Transformers, Inhumanoids, Spiral Zone, COPS, Centurions, Sky Commanders and oh my god what the hell am I typing
I've got an infographic lined up. Just so you wait..!
-
The lore deepens.
-
1-ups can...give temporary immortality
RIP my theory.
But wouldn't that make Double Cherries redundant?
-
Double Cherry itself made the Copy Flower redundant.
Mario games are a mountain of redundancy. Maybe Nintendo is secretly funded by the Nippon Department of Redundancy Department.
-
Actually, I just realized how dumb it was to complain about copies of an item that makes copies. Maybe the Copy Flower, Double Cherry, and 1up Mushroom share a common ancestor?
-
Plants and fungus aren't part of the same kingdom, though. :P
-
These plants and fungi are though. The Mushroom Kingdom.
-
*golf clap*
-
These plants and fungi are though. The Mushroom Kingdom.
Double Cherries aren't though. :/
-
So I guess the Double Cherry is the Sprixie Kingdom's counterpart to the Copy Flower?
Actually, the Copy Flower was only ever seen during the period when Mario was a baby. Maybe it's an extinct species of Fire Flower or something.
-
Toad got promoted.
He became a captain and went off on his own. Hence 'Captain Toad'. The Blue Toad got promoted to Peach's attendant in his place and is now the new 'Toad'.
-
(cost 69 coins and healed 69 HP. Gross)
I only just recently uncovered that this is a visual pun.
ムク (muku) looks like a number 69. :P
-
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FBI0x2o1.png&hash=da8f72de6c8563f479f1b68b9104fb85)
-
And then the game is released and people play it and suddenly that theory is down the toilet. :V
-
Now someone should take all the Mario games and try to put them into a coherent timeline theory.
-
I actually have a theory that splits depending on if Kamek is successful in taking both Baby Mario and Baby Luigi. I just need a while to organize my thoughts.
-
And then the game is released and people play it and suddenly that theory is down the toilet. :V
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FOgXpRvD.jpg&hash=85c7c87f0d2fd64a4fd1906fc353d715)
-
If you're gonna make fun of me, at least go with a smaller image. :P
Now someone should take all the Mario games and try to put them into a coherent timeline theory.
Sapphira partially did that.
I actually have a theory that splits depending on if Kamek is successful in taking both Baby Mario and Baby Luigi. I just need a while to organize my thoughts.
So.... Zelda?
-
I was thinking about how some Koopas walk on all fours when others can clearly walk on two legs.
I realized that obviously, there must be a caste system. Bowser orders the lowest caste to crawl.
-
Koopas haven't walked on all fours since SMB3, have they?
That reminds me, are Goombas and green-shelled Koopa Troopas commanded to walk continuously in a straight line even if it means plummeting to their deaths, or are they simply too unintelligent not to?
-
They did in Mario Galaxy for some reason. Don't know why. My guesses would be to either make them easier to jump on in 3D (SM64 and 3D Land/World didn't seem to have a problem here though) or to make their behavior of just walking back and forth in straight lines look more natural. Since enemies are typically more alert and will spot and chase after the player in the 3D games, maybe they wanted the dumbest-looking Koopa possible to be the one that doesn't do that?
-
That reminds me, are Goombas and green-shelled Koopa Troopas commanded to walk continuously in a straight line even if it means plummeting to their deaths, or are they simply too unintelligent not to?
I forget exactly how the line goes goes, but at one point in Bowser's Inside Story, Bowser mentions that he does indeed command the Goombas to walk in a straight line. Like a lot of the dialog in the RPGs, It's pretty clearly meant to be a self-aware joke.
-
Does the M on Mario's hat stand for Mozart? Could Mozart still be alive? Why is Marty the Green Thwomp locked away? Who is the blue Mario in Mario Tennis? Why is there a city overtop an "underwater" background set as the skybox of Wet-Dry World?
Truly, Mario has the deepest lore.
I understand that's an old maymay but it needs to come back ;_;
-
1. Why would it stand for Mozart?
2. Maybe.
3. There is no "Marty the Green Thwomp". That's an ordinary blue Thwomp under green lighting. And it's not locked away when you play on 150cc.
4. Segregation of gameplay and story.
5. Because it fits the "sunken city" theme of the level.
6. No, it really doesn't.
-
Mario IS the deepest lore.
Thanks for not making a Shy Guy/Bane mask joke
-
It can't be a good sign I expected that spoiler tag to disappear when I poked it on my phone.
-
Daisy in MKDD says "Hi I'm Daisy" so many times because she wants you to know it really is her.
All the clones of her in SML were enemies in disguise, so she probably yells it out every now and then so that people realize it actually is her.
-
Club Mario is the very end of the timeline. Everyone is long dead and the degenerate successors of humanity are commenting on archival footage.
-
I wish I could do things like this
-
....?
-
;-(
-
:^)
-
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
-
:^)
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
ಠ_ಠ
-
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
-
-_-
-
:-)
-
ima gonna break this
I actually thought of a theory(at last)
Mario's Adventures are his daydreams
Mario just daydreams(say, at a tavern or something) and all of his adventures in the mushroom kingdom are just his imagination. You could say that his adventures are just a *puts on sunglasses* a pipe dream
-
I'm sorry. I'll just leave
-
"The events seen in fiction are a dream or hallucination or make-believe or otherwise not really happening" is really
really
really
really
overdone.
No offense, but, yeah. Theories like that about any story really burn my bacon. That's like not even the first room of interpreting stories, it's outside the entire fortress. In the rain. Covered in garbage. That is on fire.
A big one in recent memory is Over The Garden Wall. The ending makes it so easy to just take it that Wirt dreamed everything, because he and Greg wake up in the same pond they fell into between the time they left the real 70s/80s world and found themselves lost in the fairy tale-like Unknown. It's almost right there, it's almost basically spelled out for you that this is what happened. But if you dig deep and assume it wasn't a dream, possibilities open up to explain how not. My understanding of it is that going unconscious in the "real world," coupled with Wirt's despair made them vulnerable enough for The Beast to pull into The Unknown, to do what he does to kids who get truly lost in his forest. And only after Wirt accepted responsibility for Greg and for his own mistakes and displayed any will to learn from those mistakes and get past them, were they able to defeat The Beast, and escape. "That was weird, it must have been a dream" is the lazy way out of thinking about a story. Think deeper. Think, "that happened... but how, and why?"
-
Oh silly BP, everybody knows that the Mario cast have been dead all along. And they're actually Time Lords. And Cthulu is involved somehow. And their existence is the product of both Shinji Ikari and Tommy Westphall's imaginations. Simultaneously.
And also Mario is on drugs.
-
Mario's life is so crazy that he daydreams about leading a normal, uneventful existence as a plumber.
-
Alternatively, the other Nintendo universes are him imagining about parts of his character.
He's often considered to be a big eater, and Kirby is a personification of his love for food, taken to extreme levels.
He's adventurous and has a complex to rescue anybody in need, which manifests as Link.
Considering he frequently holds races that would kill in real life, F-Zero is his love for extreme sports.
Star Fox is probably a love for space. I know I'm stretching, but Mario has always had a connection with stars. Ever since the SNES Rainbow Road was at least very high up, and he's had at least 2 platformers in space.
I'll probably expand on this some more soon, but that's all for right now.
-
Nah, I think Star Fox might be related to his penchant for adventuring while wearing animal costumes. Adventuring in space is just a secondary trait.
-
Mario is probably a furry. Miyamoto admitted to being one at E3. (https://youtu.be/QPDPSezEkcY?t=5m34s)
-
Then... what is Sakurai? oh boy
-
Poyosexual.
-
Talon in Ocarina of Time is actually Mario, who has retired from the Mushroom Kingdom and settled in Hyrule under a different name.
-
I always reconciled the Yoshi's Island and Mario-in-Brooklyn stories by imaging that Mario's parents in the Mushroom Kingdom were under attack so they took a Warp Pipe to the real world and left the two brothers on an Italian family's doorstop. Though I still think the Marios are actually Italian (perhaps their parents moved to the Mushroom Kingdom and gave the bros. to relatives?). Take with that what you will.
-
I take that to mean BP was right about your lack of creativity.
-
Chef I swear if this becomes another Colonel then I'm gonna be slightly mad and extremely amused.
-
Don't be rude. Passive-aggressive is fine but rude is just bad >:(
The X-Nauts run an ISP on the side
Where did they get the funding to build a fortress on the moon and how was it a secret? Well, they got the funding because it wasn't a secret, they built a facility up there to provide satellite internet from the earth's natural satellite. That is why a humongous computer is up there and why Peach can e-mail Mario.
The X salute they do comes from the icon you get for images that don't load because satellite internet sucks
-
oh yeah that icon I forgot that existed
Also I presume you were talking about The Chef?
If not then I apologize.
-
In real life, I think there's a decent chance the X-Naut's X salute was a reference to the aliens' salute in Plan 9 From Outer Space. (https://youtu.be/24xqRhEwvWQ?t=22m20s) Or it could just be that they already decided on calling them X-something and that's a pretty natural way to make an X with your arms.
-
Yeah, I like how much of a show-don't-tell touch it is. You don't need to explain what or why it is, it's clear, and sets them apart from Bowser's slackers even though plenty of examples of idiots exist in their ranks.
-
In Japan, they're called 'Megabatten' (メガバッテン), which I'm guessing is a pun on 'megane' (眼鏡, lit. 'glasses' or 'spectacles') and 'batten' (罰点, a cross or X mark). The 'X' salute prolly really was just a natural choice on part of the baddie designers.
Interestingly, when Goombella tattles on a X-Yux, she says: "I hear this is read as "Cross"-Yux, not as "Ex" Yux." If the same holds true for the X-Nauts (e.g. "Cross-Nauts", not "Ex-Nauts") then that may in fact be a pun on Noughts and Crosses (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tic-tac-toe).
-
Huh. That Cross and Naughts thing is really neat. It kinda makes a lot about them make a lot more sense.
-
The Paper universe is gone
Mario & Luigi & Paper Mario confirms that there is some kind of multiverse stuff going on with Mario. The events in each universe are similar--Bowser kidnaps Peach again and again and Mario saves her, etc. In the Super universe, Super Mario was traveling through space collecting stars to save Peach from Bowser. At the same time in the Paper universe, Paper Mario was traveling through dimensions collecting hearts to save everything from melodrama. At the conclusion of Mario Galaxy, I guess the universe is destroyed and gives birth to a new one and Rosalina explains that it's not going to be exactly the same (apparently. Sure, I still don't see how this is supposed to be what happens, but it'll serve my purposes here). At the same time, the Chaos Heart is destroyed and the worlds the Void swallowed are pulled back out.
...But they're not exactly the same there, either. Paper Mario's home dimension was one that the Void sucked up, and the Star Spirits didn't have a more recent System Restore Point for the world than one before Mario beat the Shadow Queen. She became unstoppable and took over the world before Mario could collect enough Power Rush badges to prevent it. The world Paper Mario and his friends call home became a living hell.
Sticker Star is what happened when they escaped and sought refuge in the Super universe--the Super characters, not comprehending that these paper counterparts were more of thinking, living beings with souls than anything they'd ever met, put on a puppet show using Paper Mario and co.'s bodies. Paper Jam is the Paper cast's escape from the Super universe into the M&L Universe, where once again they will be used as props simply because of their strange physiology. It is possible they could escape to Woolly World and eke out a meager existence there next...
...but they'll never really be at home again.
-
Mario's world is Asgard.
Rainbow Road is obviously Bifrost.
-
Expain.
-
The spin-offs is where the alternate timelines/realities cross over. Think of it as the End of Time in Chrono Trigger: the area of least resistance. That's what allows multiple versions of the same character to appear in the spin-offs (this could also apply to the alternate costume colors in Mario Sprots Mix).
-
original mario do not steal
-
And now, the motherlode.
-
So I take it "lore" now means "random funny or weird obscure images"?
-
Are you going to complain every few posts in this thread?
-
I can't be the only one who saw the caged thwomp in MK64 and thought, "It looks green because of the lighting, as many things can appear to be different colors under different light, and it's behind bars to add scenery, much like the billboards everywhere or the penguin stranded on the ice floe in Sherbet Land" like even at age 7, right? Not only did I not imagine something was special about it on my own, but any time I got to spend on the Internet was usually spent looking for cheatcodes and glitches, for every game I owned, and I never heard anything about playable green thwomps. I'm not saying it's implausible that enough people would think there was something significant about it and a popular foregone conclusion couldn't have grown from it, as popular untrue methods to deal with the truck and get Mew in Red and Blue exist, and there are plenty of rumors involving that star statue in the courtyard being the key to unlocking Luigi in SM64. But I'm pretty sure there was nothing about that thwomp going around at all until recently.
Is the green thwomp thing something that started with one guy who was like "I always thought it was special and tried to unlock it!" and a bunch of people lied "Yes, I too was a child who played this game once and spent time thinking about that instead of driving around Peach's Castle's couryard! Oh the nostalgia!" until it became a meme, with everyone convincing themselves it was a big childhood mystery that they and only they missed out on, when in reality it is a recent idea?
-
I remember thinking it was an interesting scenery touch, and not much more than that. The first time I saw it, I assumed that this particular thwomp must have misbehaved or something, or else why would Bowser have put it in a cage?
My cousin told me that "something happened" if I rammed into its cage as fast as I could. Turned out the only thing that happened was I fell back to seventh or eighth place and my cousin got to laugh at me.
-
I distinctly remember seeing the web page where the hoax originated years ago, but despite my best efforts I cannot find it again. All I was able to find was this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9pKU9vyhRA), presumably uploaded by the same hoaxer. Note the upload date of April 1st, 2007. At the time I didn't really think much of it, despite seeing a smattering of forum posts on sites similar to TMK from people who believed the hoax. Since the source of the gag is gone, I honestly have no idea how it's become this much of a meme. In my attempts to find the page I keep seeing people who seriously think that Thwomp's name really is "Marty".
As for me, as a kid I definitely knew he wasn't green, but I always assumed he was behind the cage for a reason. I guess I must've figured he came out of the cage on a higher difficulty and then somehow my brain rearranged this into a "fact" after years of not playing Mario Kart 64.
Edit: Well, after a fair bit of searching I finally found this (http://www.bookterra.com/index.php/Mario_Kart_64/Unlockable/Marty), which appears to be a reprint of the text on the aforementioned web page and even provides a link to the hoaxer's original website: http://www.magikoopa.com/marty/ which unfortunately is completely gone now. It says that the hoax specifically originated on a GameFAQs thread asking about the green Thwomp, which then sort of ballooned into an elaborate hoax perpetuated by three named individuals, including the aforementioned hoaxer. No idea how long ago this happened. The YouTube video is the earliest evidence I can find.
-
Here's Bird Person saying the caged Thwomp is green because of the light nine years ago:
The "green" one is probably green due to a glow.
-
A free Thwomp leaps
on the back of the wind
and floats downstream
till the current ends
and dips his spike
in the orange sun rays
and dares to claim the sky.
But a Thwomp that stalks
down his narrow cage
can seldom see through
his bars of rage
his spikes are clipped and
his body is bound
so he opens his throat to grunt.
The caged Thwomp grunts
with a fearful trill
of things unknown
but longed for still
and his tune is heard
on the distant hill
for the caged Thwomp
grunts of freedom.
The free Thwomp thinks of another breeze
and the trade winds soft through the sighing trees
and the fat plumbers waiting on a dawn bright lawn
and he names the sky his own
But a caged Thwomp stands on the grave of dreams
his shadow shouts on a nightmare scream
his spikes are clipped and his body is bound
so he opens his throat to grunt.
The caged Thwomp grunts
with a fearful trill
of things unknown
but longed for still
and his tune is heard
on the distant hill
for the caged Thwomp
grunts of freedom.
I Know Why The Caged Thwomp Grunts, by Lizard Dude
-
Apparently it's possible to glitch your way past (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvpgC9NU68g)the cage in the Japanese release via moon jump code, and it looks like that little alcove is tinted green. It doesn't seem to affect the player's spite, unless that's an emulator bug.
-
Here's Bird Person saying the caged Thwomp is green because of the light nine years ago:
Nice memory. The earliest talk about the green thwomp I could dig up with Google was from 2007, already older than I expected (I didn't dig that much though, I got stuff to do), but I guess it must have been around even longer than that. But I still think the belief that it was special or was hiding something wasn't as common as is reported and is more of something the internet created.
-
Like I said, the hoax apparently went up in 2007. I guess part of the reason it's a meme now is because it's kinda hard to fully debunk the myth with the hoaxer's website dead and gone.
-
http://nintendoeverything.com/miyamoto-will-be-shedding-light-on-mario-myths-tomorrow/
-
I bet that's totally in no way related to the current trend of deciding every kids franchise should be "deeper" than necessary.
I also expect either flagrant disappointment at how vague his answers are, or flagrant rage at how his answers didn't line up with what people wanted.
It'd be hilarious (and kinda frustrating) if his answers were straight-up culled from people on the Internet, but I don't think that's likely.
-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu2DnTd3dEo
All yes-or-no questions.
-
To summarize:
1. Mario is named after Mario Segale (as if Deezer (http://themushroomkingdom.net/mario_name_history.shtml) didn't already do a good job proving that).
2. Mario is not about to die on the NES 'Super Mario Bros.' box art.
3. Miyamoto would not let Dr. Mario operate on him.
4. Mario 3 really is "just a performance" (whatever that means, and with 'Mario All-Stars' and 'Mario Advance 4' still left unaccounted for).
5. Bob-ombs do not turn into Boos when they die.
6. Apparently Miyamoto considers himself to be Bowser Jr.'s mother! (Can't wait to see people take this literally!)
7. Mario does break blocks with his fists.
8. None of Miyamoto's courses are in 'Super Mario Maker'.
-
4. Mario 3 really is "just a performance" (whatever that means, and with 'Mario All-Stars' and 'Mario Advance 4' still left unaccounted for).
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.techeblog.com%2Fimages%2Fsuper_mario_bros_3_1.jpg&hash=686f443521f27c6f852b1a34fa5dab1f)
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.techeblog.com%2Fimages%2Fsuper_mario_bros_3_2.jpg&hash=6036deeb2751e86a05ad8d57a6a48f23)
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.techeblog.com%2Fimages%2Fsuper_mario_bros_3_3.jpg&hash=37e54de8b7329723d9147e533e007621)
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.techeblog.com%2Fimages%2Fsuper_mario_bros_3_4.jpg&hash=969680ca77ce7df937f93d876969e4ab)
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.techeblog.com%2Fimages%2Fsuper_mario_bros_3_5.jpg&hash=9f8c23405d192ea91c0084cdc597e1e8)
-
While the curtain and the black zig-zag thingie re-appear in 'All-Stars' (and by extension 'Advance 4'), the bolted-on platforms no longer appear bolted on to anything. The thing with the suspended platforms seemed kinda nebulous to me from the beginning.
-
I get the feeling that it was Miyamoto's original plan, but the concept was left by the wayside as development progressed. By the last couple worlds the stage-show motif is pretty much abandoned. It seems safe to assume that very few people realized it was meant to look like a performance, so a lot of it was dropped from SMAS and SMA4.
-
I was thinking the idea was that Bowser breaks into the performance when he kidnaps Peach after World 7 and that's when [dukar] gets real. World 8's levels look like the end-of-level sections from before, which makes it look like the backdrops have all fallen down. The curtain still comes down after World 8, so it's still actually part of the play, but it was a bit of a fourth-wall-break to jolt the audience, kinda like that time Hooktail ate the audience. All-Stars took out the backdrop-less look of World 8, and generally went for a more realistic look in the rest of the game, but the curtains are still there at least.
I'd still really like to see a Mario game (either an SMB3 remake or a whole new thing) that focused more on making it look like a play, along the lines of Kirby and the Rainbow Curse and Yoshi's Woolly World.
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthemushroomkingdom.net%2Fimages%2Fss%2Fyww%2F002.jpg&hash=b0c83a851f210a9e17530824667d4a7b)
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthemushroomkingdom.net%2Fimages%2Fss%2Fyww%2F001.jpg&hash=ad2f96259af6de0ed797ff0712e29247)
-
The first two Paper Marios weren't good enough? :P
-
How about a game based on the stage production that Doopliss becomes involved in at the end of TTYD?
-
Two Paper Marios is nowhere near enough.
-
The first two Paper Marios weren't good enough? :P
Really only the second one tried to look like a play. The first one tried to look like a book, and it did a pretty good job of it.
-
The first game's intro indicates otherwise, and the battle screens kind of sort of look like a stage, only without curtains or a wooden floor.
-
Eh, the battles in PM1 look more like a pop-up book to me. They really only look like a stage if you project TTYD back onto it. Lack of an audience is pretty big.
-
If Miyamoto invented Bowser Jr. it's fairly accurate for him to consider himself Bowser Jr.'s mother, in an artist/creation sort of way.
-
Toru Iwatani is also referred to as "The Father of Pac-Man", so that's probably what Miyamoto meant.
-
How can we be sure the 'M' on his cap stands for Mario?
-
I always figured it stood for "More princess smooches please and thank you"
-
Obviously it stands for "Man", while the 'L' on Luigi's hat stands for "Loser".
-
Superstar Saga was another attempt to make Super Mario RPG 2, and it too got reworked into something much much much much better
It's fairly well-known Paper Mario began development as Super Mario RPG 2 and eventually turned into the best ****ing game ever, (followed by the best ****ing game ever 2: an even better ****ing game: the thousand years of waiting in vain for a game this good to come out again). But what if Mario & Luigi was, too? It would explain why the world map/Mario Bros. house music is taken from Super Mario RPG, and why in the world would Alphadream have bothered to get Geno in for a cameo when almost every other corner of the game is packed to the gills with weird characters of unexplained origin? Maybe they had to buy the rights to include Geno, and did buy them (possibly including the rights to other, better characters as well) with the intention to use him early on... and when the game became centered around Mario and Luigi battling as a pair and the story was solidified, they had nothing for him to do. Hence, a cameo.
A lot of things in Superstar Saga make very little thematic sense. What are those faces on Hoohoo Mountain that vomit tornadoes supposed to be? Why are the locked doors in Beanbean Castle boar heads? I do not know the answer to these questions but it seems like more "well whatever" decisions get made in games where the direction of development is decided on after a sizable amount of work is already done. Then the sequels already know what they're doing and you don't get weird stuff that comes out of nowhere anymore. I'm just saying it would make sense.
-
I always figured that the reason for the Geno cameo and the music (including the battle themes being almost identical structurally) was just that the first games in the other RPG serieses drew more on SMRPG because that was all they had to go on, and then branched out into their own things from there, kinda like how Sonic Advance 1 is basically Sonic 4, but Sonic Advance 3 is very much a Sonic Advance 3. But this makes a lot of sense. Superstar Saga was basically a spiritual successor to Tomato Adventure, which, from what I can tell, had multiple party members but only had two in battle at a time, so it would make sense if SSS originally had more party members, and Luigi ended up crowding the others out.
Which reminds me, why the hell has there never been a fan translation of Tomato Adventure? That game looks great.
-
"Mato" Mandelin did a proof-of-concept translation of the first few scenes or so like yeeeeeaaaaaarrrrrrrrssssss ago, but nobody ever took it to the next level.
-
Sorry to bring this back up, I know it hasn't been posted in for quite a while. I just had a theory I wanted to share that I've been thinking of for a while now, and this is the best place I can think of to share it :p Anyways...
So my theory involves a little bit of continuity between games; particularly Super Mario Sunshine and Galaxy. Maybe some of you have thought of this one before, but I didn't see it posted so I thought I'd post my version. I won't say what it is until the end of the theory to inspire you to read it and come to realize it yourself as we go along. So here we go!
So to start, in Super Mario Sunshine we are introduced to a brand new villain (or so we think) named SHADOW MARIO.
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fvignette3.wikia.nocookie.net%2Ffantendo%2Fimages%2Fc%2Fc6%2FShadow_Mario_2.png%2Frevision%2Flatest%3Fcb%3D20120622163459&hash=7731c2cb9759c4c0633e37b15cb3a5b7)
So he starts out as a bit of an enigma, but throughout the game we learn a little more about him:
-He looks exactly the same as Mario, except he is completely shadowed in a blue tint.
-He has a high-pitched voice; even higher than Mario's Yahoo's
-He is evil, kidnaps the princess and vandalizes the island, framing Mario for the work.
-He is usually seen carrying a device that looks like a giant brush.
-SPOILER AERT: It ends up being Bowser Jr. in dusguise.
-Apparently his "Magic brush" gave him the ability to shape-shift into a Mario clone, as well as several other abilities such as the ability to paint portals and have infinite goopy paints.
Skip ahead a bit to Super Mario Galaxy. Bowser Junior appears in that game, sans Magic Brush or any sort of Mario Disguies (in fact, he is never seen in disguise again in a main Mario game). However, there is another Mario lookalike, with some suspicious similarities to our old friend. Enter COSMIC MARIO
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mariowiki.com%2Fimages%2F6%2F61%2FCosmic_Mario.png&hash=3249ab77fbd2916518d9597d1f4ccc5a)
Like Shadow Mario, Cosmic Mario is a bit mysterious, and unfortunately, we don't learn too much about his origins or intentions. We can only assume based on our few encounters with him...
-He looks exactly like Mario, except he is totally shadowed in a blue tint.
-He has a high pitched voice, even higher than Mario's Yahoo's
-He is a jerk, but not necessarily evil. He would happily nab a star from you, but he doesn't kidnap innocent princesses or seem to do bidding for any higher power.
-He loves to race and seems obsessed with beating Mario on the track.
-He seems cocky, in his laughs and gestures.
-Nothing of him is ever shown below his hazy cosmic surface; it is unknown how he gets his powers, or if they're natural or augmented.
-Bowser Junior has an alibi this time, as he appears elsewhere during the events of Galaxy. Also he does not have the magic brush to transform himself this time. For all intents and purposes, we can assume Bowser Junior is NOT Cosmic Mario.
But you may be saying "So what? Nintendo probably just needed a quick easy idea for someone for Mario to race in Galaxy so they used a clone. He's probably blue because that's the color of deep space in the game."
Well, that probably true. But there is one thing that could serve as a very solid link between Super Mario Sunshine and Super Mario Galaxy, and between Shadow and Cosmic Mario. And he comes in the form of an old friend//enemy/frienemy from Super Mario Sunshine: IL PIANTISSAMO
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fvignette3.wikia.nocookie.net%2Ffantendo%2Fimages%2F4%2F41%2FIl_Piantissimo_Logo.png%2Frevision%2Flatest%3Fcb%3D20120608081411&hash=0f486b32046f4b69788484825a11d066)
Wait, what? Who? You know, that guy who appeared in like three missions, to challenge you to a race. Although at first glance, he seems to be a little out of sync with these other two characters, if we look into it a little more we might see a few key traits that seem very interesting for this analysis.
-He appears to be a human being of African Descent (finally, some racial diversity in Mario games).
-He wears a very racially insensitive outfit consisting of a Pianta mask, and gloves and boots resembling pianta hands and feet.
-He clearly has NO ISSUE DISGUISING HIMSELF. This is probably for his selfish benefit, as an average human would seem fast to the typically bulky, slow Pianta people.
-He's a bit of a jerk, but not necessarily evil. He'd hog an all-important shine sprite from you, but he doesn't seem to serve a higher evil power, i.e. Bowser.
-He loves to race and seems obsessed with defeating Mario foot-to-foot.
-He seems cocky in his laughs and gestures.
So if you take the non-physical aspects of Il Piantissimo, we see they match up pretty much perfectly with those of Cosmic Mario; they're both cocky jerks who love racing, and obsess over proving they can outrun Mario. But you might be thinking "No way, Il Piantissimo looks nothing like Mario. Even with the best props Party City has to offer, he couldn't get the shape as on-point as Cosmic Mario does. Besides how would he ever get into space?"
Well, you'd be right. Piantissimo simply couldn't replicate Mario's form (he couldn't even make a convincing Pianta). And to go from a tropical Island to outer space? Forget it. What kind of marvelous technological masterpiece would Pianissimo need tot make himself look just like Mario despite their hugely different shapes, AND make him able to travel long distances in the blink of an eve?
Wait, hold on a second....
In the final battle of Mario Sunshine, after you flip Bowser and son's giant floating hot tub, Bowser Jr. Seems to have lost his Magic Brush....
Where could it be? It must have fallen to some random location on the island below. But there's no way anyone would come across--
OH MY GOD!
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mariowiki.com%2Fimages%2F7%2F7a%2FFindmagicbrush.png&hash=94e1954c90bdcd4cf272fdd6aa6c2793)
That's right! The Ending screen confirms it, the brush just happens to fall right onto Gelato Beach, where our old friend Piantissimo just happens to stumble upon it. Now, it's like the stars aligning! Sometime between Sunshine and Galaxy, this must have happened:
-Piantissimo finds the brush and learns to harness its powers.
-He uses its shape-shifting ability to paint himself the shape of Mario. Probably to mock or intimidate him.
-He uses the brush's power to create portals to track Mario down into deep space.
-Piantissimo is a sore loser; he follows Mario to challenge him to rematches.
-He now has the same cocky, jerkish personality, but the distinct look of out favorite Italian plumber (with a dark blue tint).
Piantissimo IS Cosmic Mario! They are one in the same.
There are a few discrepancies to this idea, but I would say they are mostly either negligable, or could be explained fairly easily.
1. Shadow Mario looks like he's made of water, but Cosmic Mario looks like he's made of deep space matter. If it they both used the magic brush shouldn't they look the same?
-Not necessarily; the magic brush was shown to be able to produce paints with many different colors and properties. Shadow Mario probably chose the water look because he was on an island surrounded by water. Cosmic Mario probably went with Space theme because he was surrounded by outer space. It's the theme of the game.
2. But Shadow Mario is always shown with his Magic Brush, but I haven't seen Cosmic Mario with it at all. How can Cosmic Mario stay Cosmic Mario without holding it?
-Shadow Mario does USUALLY have his brush, but he can be seen without it, i.e. when he intercepts and steals F.L.U.D.D when Mario travels through the void:
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages5.fanpop.com%2Fimage%2Fphotos%2F25600000%2FShadow-Mario-stealing-FLUDD-super-mario-sunshine-25605961-640-343.png&hash=d573147ae783526546e8b4b7172f735f)
If Shadow Mario can do this without the brush I assume Cosmic Mario can as well.
3. I thought Bowser Jr's bandana he wears around his neck makes him shape shift into Mario, not the Magic Brush.
-That bandana appeared in many games. It originally had a mustache drawn on it, but it was later changed to a scary mouth. However, out of the many games Bowser Junior appeared in, he only ever transformed into Shadow Mario in the one where he had the brush.
-He did mention that a strange old man in a white coat "Gave" him the brush (Referring to E. Gadd), and it would make a little more sense for him to do that if he thought Jr. Was Mario. But I would assume Junior either stole it from him, or he used the fake mustache bandana to fool E. Gadd (he's old, he probably gets confused easily), and perfected his Mario disguise once he got the brush.
Aaaand, that's about it! I'd say it's a pretty sound theory. Oh, and if you're wondering who cosmic Luigi would be then, I'll just assume Piantissimo shared his powers with his old friend from track class, this guy:
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fvignette2.wikia.nocookie.net%2Fmario%2Fimages%2F9%2F90%2FKoopa_the_Quick_profile.png%2Frevision%2Flatest%3Fcb%3D20130910155853&hash=20f7449e72fe49991c17370f6baafdcd)
-
isn't that one of the more well know theories about Mario though
I mean it isn't bad but it seems kinda pointless to just bump a topic so you can introduce a well-known theory.
But if this is back, I have a new theory:
Paper Mario: Color Splash is a metaphor for the series itself
Just like how the color is being drained from Prism Island, the classic gameplay, deep, RPG-like story, and humor aside from "geddit they're paper xD" is being drained from Paper Mario, and just like how the game is about returning color to the island, Color Splash brings back some of the things that made older Paper Mario good.
I mean it isn't anywhere as good as the first three but at least it's actually a good game on its own now.
-
Allow me to throw a monkey wrench into the theory before Tavros':
Shadow Mario is not called Shadow Mario in Japan. He is called Nise Mario (literally "fake Mario").
Cosmic Mario is not called Cosmic Mario in Japan. He is simply called Shadow (the English word).
Il Piantissimo is actually the Marathon Man from Ocarina of Time in disguise.
-
isn't that one of the more well know theories about Mario though
I mean it isn't bad but it seems kinda pointless to just bump a topic so you can introduce a well-known theory.
But if this is back, I have a new theory:
Well, maybe. I only searched through the thirty-something pages of this thread for it and I didn't see anything similar. Maybe there are similar theories somewhere else online, but I preferred to keep outside influence out when writing it. If it's a popular theory, then I think it deserves to be on the theory thread.
I have seen some people theorize that he's actually Nabbit, but I think Cosmic Mario makes more sense (I guess it's possible he could be both though).
Paper Mario: Color Splash is a metaphor for the series itself[/b]
Just like how the color is being drained from Prism Island, the classic gameplay, deep, RPG-like story, and humor aside from "geddit they're paper xD" is being drained from Paper Mario, and just like how the game is about returning color to the island, Color Splash brings back some of the things that made older Paper Mario good.
I mean it isn't anywhere as good as the first three but at least it's actually a good game on its own now.
It's trying, I'll give it that. Although at this point, I think I'd be pretty happy if I never see another Mario game using a map screen.
Allow me to throw a monkey wrench into the theory before Tavros':
Shadow Mario is not called Shadow Mario in Japan. He is called Nise Mario (literally "fake Mario").
Cosmic Mario is not called Cosmic Mario in Japan. He is simply called Shadow (the English word).
Il Piantissimo is actually the Marathon Man from Ocarina of Time in disguise.
So Shadow Mario = Fake Mario
and Cosmic Mario = Shadow
If we draw a diagonal line between those, we can link up "Shadow Mario" with "Shadow", referring to the shadow of Mario's image they both use.
As for the Marathon Man, I have seen the screenshots of the removed mask, and he does have impeccably similar facial features to the fastest man in Hyrule. However, while Marathon Man is fairly light-skinned, Il Pianissimo has that super dark super suave look. My guess is he is actually Marathon Man's afro-jamacian half cousin.
And that would leave the Marathon Man (or maybe his Majora's Mask Mail Man counterpart) to travel over to the Mushroom Kingdom and dawn the purple bunny mask and become Nabbit. In fact, if it's the Mail Man, it could make a lot of sense. Maybe he wanted to deliver mail for the locals in the Mushroom Kingdom, but fell on hard times and was forced to smuggle goods stolen from the poor innocent Toads. That would explain why he carries the bag.
-
HE'S ON A TROPICAL ISLAND
IT'S A TAN
GOSH
-
Hmmmm, I dunno. If you can go from this
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fvignette3.wikia.nocookie.net%2Fzelda%2Fimages%2F4%2F45%2FRunning_Man.png%2Frevision%2Flatest%3Fcb%3D20100124072102&hash=daf40b5ea5c41f14b6edcb6151ed30dd)
To this
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mariowiki.com%2Fimages%2Fthumb%2F4%2F4c%2FIlpiantissimo.jpg%2F110px-Ilpiantissimo.jpg&hash=dff3cc9ba7756c016d5d4d45c2cbcd09)
with just a bit of sun.... Then I need to know what brand of tanning oil he uses because I'm pale as a ghost no matter what.
-
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/EsI5Kmqw0YU/hqdefault.jpg)
Maybe he's transracial, you bigot.
-
how would one even go through that operation
a brain transplant?
or is it just hardcore-tanning?
-
Mario and Luigi are identical twins, but Mario is shorter because he got squished when he fell onto Yoshi's Island
-
I DISAGREE...
(https://i.imgur.com/upxtnue.png)
-
Speaking of Shadow Mario, does the umlaut-like marks over his "M"s have any sort of significance? I mean, aside from denoting the obvious fact that they're forgeries?