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TMK Stuff => Site Discussion => Topic started by: Glorb on February 25, 2009, 02:29:32 PM
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Should moderators edit posts to remove percieved offensive language, when the [autocensor] already does that?
There is only one right answer.
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Will the wrong answer be censored?
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If people try to get around the filter and succeed, they're still breaking a rule, so yes, they should be manually censored.
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It's not a question about getting around the filter, or words that aren't on the filter, or anything, but about words that are already filtered out getting censored for anyone who already opted out of the filter.
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Offensive posts should be edited/removed. But mods might take advantage of their power. Look at history. Power is taken advantage of every time there isn't limits. And many times when there is limits.
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Offensive posts should be edited/removed.
This coming from a guy who talked about a dream he had with his naked teacher.
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Well, let's face it; you can't control what you dream. You can control what you say/do/type in reality.
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Leave the mild swears alone.
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I don't especially like swearing and I'd discourage it... but censoring them if the censors get them is ridiculous. If the censors don't get them, it's time to enhance the censors.
Which are optional for a reason.
Edit: My signature (<censored>) has nothing to do with censors on the Fungi Forums. It's a joke from the chatroom.
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I feel that if an individual finds cussing/cursing/swearing offensive, he/she has two options.
1. Has the option under his/her profile to censor most common swear words via a preset word bank.
2. He/She should just leave or deal with it. "If you can't stand the heat, than leave the kitchen."
I personal find option 1 more reasonable.
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Either there should be no auto-censor or mod should leave swears alone unless they're complex statements.
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Swear words are filthy, poorly chosen words that we use to express our anger or frustration towards certain people or things. Those type of words shouldn't be tolerated anywhere. Even on the internet. The auto-censors should be enhanced/upgraded so that guests and members here don't have to cringe at every swear word they might see while reading a post. And those of us who do swear a lot should look for alternative words to use or just try not to say it at all. It's a bad habit, it offends people, makes you look foolish, and doesn't make you look cool.
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Censoring is not fun!
Anyways, since a censor is set up, I believe that the mods don't need to edit the posts of people who swear.
Are you referring to Sapph?
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Why can't English be one of those languages that doesn't have profanity?
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There are languages without profanity? I don't believe that.
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Japanese, for one. That is, they don't have "swear words" like English does. You can still insult people or whatever.
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They're just words. They're only offensive based on the context you use them in. If I swear in a manner that is not intended to personally attack someone, then it shouldn't be a big deal.
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Yeah, the Japanese language doesn't really contain swear words. This is why whenever Sakura says "Shannaro!" in Naruto, it can translate out as "Alright!" or the more profane "$#@% yeah!"
Subbing companies have field days with the Japanese language. The Sonic X sub features colorful language when other, less profane words, could be used.
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Well, a lot of time, that type of translation is more or less in the right spirit. It's just that in Japan, saying it wouldn't be offensive. (To Chef: i.e. not offensive in any context as the word applies to English sentences.)
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They're just words. They're only offensive based on the context you use them in. If I swear in a manner that is not intended to personally attack someone, then it shouldn't be a big deal.
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I take it you were just quoting for truth?
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Either do it right or explain exactly how deleting censored words makes sense.
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Keep in mind also that beyond what the forum offers, many browsers (Firefox w/ Greasemonkey and Opera for two) allow the loading of JavaScript files which allow the user to remove/replace any string (regular expressions, even) the user does not wish to see in most instances. Worst case scenario? You filter out too much and/or you have to see what words you're filtering to begin with. If you have a problem with images, block all images or block any server that hosts them.
If any of the above sounds like a bad idea, then why have you only started now to think?
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Clearly the solution to this problem is to convert the board to Japanese only.
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任天堂ホームページには、岩田社長が自ら任天堂の方々に インタビューするコーナーがあります。その名も『社長が訊く』。そこで、わたしこと桜井政博が、なぜか岩田社長に訊かれてしまいました。えーっ。わたしは任天堂の人じゃないよ? ホントにやるの? やりますか。そうですか。やりましょうとも!! 『スマブラX』制作の舞台裏が少しだけ覗けるかもしれません!
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DESU DESU DESU!
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AUGH OTAKUS.
YOU MUST DIE.
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No. I firmly believe moderators should not edit any posts at regardless of reason. Having never edited any post on this forum, I say this as completely unbiased.
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Yes. I don't like reading swears so I think mods should censor them. Is there a rule against swearing that there's censor?
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I LIKE reading swears so I say Mods SHOULDN'T censor them.
Chew on THAT.
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No. I firmly believe moderators should not edit any posts at regardless of reason.
Then what's the point of moderators?
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Why the **** was this thread revived?
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So that we could get that awesome quote from BM and the response from Turtlekid1. Also, TEM and SS's images along with their sigs could be part of a (XKCD) cartoon
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The BM quote wasn't from the bump, though...
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To be honest, I thought Rao's post was the funniest in this context.
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Yeah, pretty much.
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I don't swear a lot here because there are little to no discussions that call for it. But I have no problem with reading other posts swears. I see these words all the time on the Internet.
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But you never see the horrible curses anyway because they're already picked up by the censor.
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Only if you have the censor turned on.
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I wasn't aware that you could turn it off.
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It is best not to leave words uncensored and show child boards at the same time.
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Personally, I think the censor filter should go altogether...
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Well, for the truly anti-swear, the option might as well be there.
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The explosion of technology has, it seems to me, led to a strange twisting of the whole freedom of speech debate. For many, the argument has appeared to advance from protecting all forms of speech to protecting all forms of speech in all arenas. In other words, creating safe havens is, somehow, censorship. Requiring printed lyrics so that parents can monitor their kids’ listening habits is, in this new world, tantamount to censorship. (Just ask Tipper Gore the problems that can cause).
It’s one thing to rail against so-called bluenoses who are trying to dictate what others can and should do; it’s another to insist that no one should be able to shield himself or his family from what he—for whatever reason—may find offensive. All any of us should ask is the freedom to choose what we want or don’t want. Why can’t we opt-in for that?
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How the **** did Sapphira stay an admin?
Off topic, I know, but this thread reminds me of her so much.
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[darn] it Jake, don't pull her out of the woodwork.
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I'll have to admit, it's more fun without her.
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For some people, at least.
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I've tried to stop cursing in my posts as of late simply because I don't really need to.
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I won't hesitate to swear (here, at least), but only if I feel I really "need to". I think swear words should be used to express extreme emotion; swear all the time, the words lose their impact.
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Yeah, same here. When someone does something outrageous, I'll probably respond with the usual assortment of "curse" words. They're just words after all.
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I'll have to admit, it's more fun without her.
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She's probably the only one here who actually "moderates" anything (no offense to other mods).
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Pay more attention.
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I've seen Suffix censor one post.
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She's probably the only one here who actually "moderates" anything (no offense to other mods).
Well, Black Mage did close Shadow Brain's Harem the other day...
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Yes, but that topic wasn't even breaking any rules.
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According to the rules, we're allowed to cuss.
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Well, Black Mage did close Shadow Brain's Harem the other day...
...And "censored" pictures posted by Weegee and Glorb.
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Black Mage has declared war on FG, although he's totally down with images that say "[dukar] Bricks" in them.
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We'd most certainly lose that war, Glorb. Black Mage is much cooler than the Forum Games board.
In fact, I'd say we're all losers. (http://themushroomkingdom.net/board/index.php?topic=12690.0)
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Black Mage has declared war on FG, although he's totally down with images that say "[dukar] Bricks" in them.
I understand you're implying I'm a hypocrite, but I'm only one man. I don't read every thread and thoroughly inspect every image that gets posted (and for a good reason). If you would point me to where the image is posted, I'll do you a favor and edit that one out too.
As far as I understand the rules, gentlemen, you're free to curse all you want as the censor will pick that up and save the "innocents" whom may be viewing the board with the censor on from potentially offensive material. However if people begin circumventing the censor, either through posting images with curse words in them or otherwise, there's nothing I can do but remove that content.
Look, I've always tried to stay pretty hands off in moderating the board. And for the longest time everyone had done a pretty good job of keeping it to the level, and my "moderator" activity was very limited. Recently, though, there's been much more in the way of cursing, "raunchy" images and discussions. I'm fine with cursing, and don't find it offensive. I've been known to belt them out in person. But there's a difference between in-person discussions and forum discussions. Any decent person doesn't go around Toys 'R Us dropping F-bombs. I'm not saying you can't swear, but just keep in mind this is a Mario forum that attracts young kids like we all were once. You can still use your curse words that you all hold so dear, but just do it responsibly and in ways that the censor will pick up.
You might not believe me, but I don't like editing your posts any more than you like me doing it. I know some people were upset that I closed that Harem thread, and I figured that deep down you all understood why and no further explanation would be needed. If any of you had serious concerns about it, I would have been more than happy to discuss it with you through PMs. Or, if you think I took it too far and were beyond discussion with me, you could complain to Deezer or the administration. But there's no reason to continue complaining about it in threads where it doesn't belong.
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I was going to suggest a new "adults-only" board where one could post racy pictures with impunity, but just as the censor debate has lead to people swearing in stupid ways, that would just lead to everybody posting porn. That, and it'd turn into 4chan in like five minutes.
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Like the savage children of Lord of the Flies, /b/tards are what an internet user might fight to revert to in the presence of complete freedom and isolation.
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I don't think anyone should care because the mods have the power thus can do whatever they please with it for whatever reason. So, really, who cares?
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the mods have the power thus can do whatever they please with it for whatever reason
That's exactly why.
EDIT: Woohoo 69th reply
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EDIT: Woohoo 69th reply
10 bucks says at least one person will not understand the significance of this.
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I wish I was that one person.
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I am that one person. :/
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69 means kissing.
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Well, when "b" and a backwards "P" love eachother very much...
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After months of reading a Fungi Forums filled with torrents of swearing, racist jokes, sexist jokes, Nigel Thornberry licking his nipple, and drawings of cocks, I decide to start posting again, make one gag about the real highest rated handheld game (if you know what I mean) and it gets deleted in a few hours. Not edited, deleted.
What. The. Heck.
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Dangit, why do I always miss these things? At least, I think I missed it... Can you clue me in, here?
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What other clues do you need.
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Can you clue me in, here?
Think ShadowBrain. The highest rated handheld game.
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SB, it's shocking that you of all members should have difficulty deciphering a groan-tastic double entendre.
Anyway, I agree that deleting LD's comment was a tad ridiculous. I never saw it, but I'll assume that it was a reasonable facsimile to what was mentioned above.
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It's hilarious because I remember I once made a similar reference and it was Lizard Dude who edited my post and left it blank except for his edit line.
How do you like them apples?
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I'm just going with the times here. If it was back when I was a mod, the comment would not have been acceptable. I would not have made it myself, either.
But just now I came from a thread with six posts in a row talking about grinding weiners. I'm upset that my post was deleted when many far worse posts are made and tolerated every day, even if you have the profanity filter on.
What I'm saying is Chupperson Weird hates me because I think the Xbox 360 is better than the PlayStation 3.
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Think ShadowBrain. The highest rated handheld game.
Oh...
You're kidding me. That was deleted? There was no accompanying picture, or anything? Yeah, I can think of a ton of posts, most of them mine, that are way worse than that.
Obviously, it just comes down to the individual mod (was it CW who deleted it, or what?), but I'm not even sure Sapphira would've done that...
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The post read:
Actually, the highest rated handheld game ever made is m___________.
(Originally uncensored.)
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Hey whoa whoa, I didn't touch that post, sir. Someone else committed this post-murder.
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Hmm.
Well, Suffix and Sapphira haven't been online since August. I guess that leaves Deezer.
Maybe he's trying to keep Mario Chat as the last bastion of cleanliness?
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It was Black Mage. He was on earlier today and still occasionally censors.
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But of course. I just saw
Chupperson Weird hates me because I think the Xbox 360 is better than the PlayStation 3.
and assumed the worst.
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Doesn't SMF come with a moderator log?
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Woah there. Don't jump to conclusions. It wasn't me, I didn't even see the post.
Unlike some of you guys I have to work during the day.
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It was obviously one of the mods' alter egos or pets.
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Bizarro LD did it: The upbeat, yet censorship-minded Edud Drazil.
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!AHAHAHAHAHAWB
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It must be. Edud Drazil's strong, conservative religious convictions and non-sarcastic earnesty make him the most likely culprit for certain.
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Woah there. Don't jump to conclusions. It wasn't me.
Sorry about that.
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Wait a second... I've been missing out on chances to censor folks?
Thanks for telling me, people!
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Image censored
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Oh, God, what was it this time...
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I'dve censored that, too...
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I've never seen that picture of Deezer before. Where'd you get it, Glorb?
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Just found this:
Offensive posts should be edited/removed. But mods might take advantage of their power. Look at history. Power is taken advantage of every time there isn't limits. And many times when there is limits.
AAaaaahahaahahahahahaha
hooo.
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I don't care to see or hear swearwords at my age, I know, I know, "You're 13 and should get over it", but I choose not to.
I think it should auto censor swearwords, and have ops look over things to make sure people don't get around the censor.
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Turn the filter on if you don't like swear words.
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Yeah, that gets rid of going through almost 300,000 posts (old topics included, just to make sure our Guests aren't blinded with swearing since they like to look at very old topics) and editing them all.
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All swear words should be censord! I'm 13 and I HATE all swear words! But words like "heck" or "crap" or "dang" don't bother me in the least bit! So all posts should be reviewed and censord!
Not really a bump, considering how often this board is posted in.
Anyway, I'm too lazy to find out if that's real or more sarcasm than can be handled on the internet.
What does "censord" mean, anyway?
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All swear words should be censord! I'm 13 and I HATE all swear words! But words like "heck" or "crap" or "dang" don't bother me in the least bit! So all posts should be reviewed and censord!
You broke the rules, you can't post on this thread anymore, all posts you make on here will be ignored by everyone.
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Isn't the filter on by default now?
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Anyway, I'm too lazy to find out if that's real or more sarcasm than can be handled on the internet.
From what I can tell, he was, unfortunately, not being sarcastic.
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That's what I gathered as well.
I personally believe that manual censoring is certainly unnecessary; that being said, I think that certain users should stop trying to evade the censor.
Yeah, that gets rid of going through almost 300,000 posts (old topics included, just to make sure our Guests aren't blinded with swearing since they like to look at very old topics) and editing them all.
One certain topic springs to mind. If there's any swearing in that particular topic (which I don't believe there is), it might be wise to censor it.
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Yeah, that gets rid of going through almost 300,000 posts (old topics included, just to make sure our Guests aren't blinded with swearing since they like to look at very old topics) and editing them all.
Guests don't look through the board history.
They all just look at the Mario Kart coloring pages thread for some reason. Some unknown, creepy, unsettling reason.
Seriously, what is going on in that thread that attracts so much attention?
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Perhaps James Elston's website has IP appenages which routinely trace themselves to sites which link to it. In the name of science, I'll put the link here to see if any guests flock:
http://www.jameselston.com
And now... we wait.
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I'm beginning to think that this board would shut down without the high volume of views on that one thread. I wonder what would happen if someone screwed with the link on TMK and swapped that thread's thread number with another.
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You broke the rules, you can't post on this thread anymore, all posts you make on here will be ignored by everyone.
Your post was ignored.
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LD, thats probably the funniest thing I've seen this week. Thank you.
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[darn], LD! That made me truly LOL for the first time in, like, 2 weeks!
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Okay, yeah, that was pretty funny.
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LOL LAZOR! *computer breaks
*goes buys new computer
* sets up computer
*logs in
yeah that was pretty funny but back on topic.
I think 3 words should be allowed if they don't go over board with it.
A-word
D-word
H-word
these should be fine if were responsible with them.
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The scowl/grimace glorb in the first panel made me lol. It makes me think of a squinty-eyed nerd addressing his computer with, "ugh, i dont like these ppl. they are so retarded. uuuuuuunh" (think pwned.nl for the voice and image).
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I make that face all the time anyway. Ask any of the people I hang out with regularly and they'll tell you that my only emotions are grimacing, reading computer screens, spitting out coffee, and FFFUUUUUUUUU-ing.
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LOL LAZOR! *computer breaks
*goes buys new computer
* sets up computer
*logs in
Best post of 2010, right there.
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Sapphira's manually editing swearing again, against modern policy.
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**** censorship.
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In before PL's post gets edited.
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**** censorship.
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**** censorship.
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Cubicles
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**** censorship.
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**** censorship.
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Was there any point in reviving this topic? Sapphira is just doing her job!
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Was there any point in reviving the thread made to complain about exactly what happened? That would be a yes.
Evading the censor is against the rules. Swearing is not. Sapphira is censoring our already-automatically-censored posts and it ****es us off. She's not doing her job: she's abusing her power to modify our rule-abiding posts to fit her warped personal ethics.
a.k.a. the exact thing people have been complaining about in this thread for years.
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I'm fine with swearing as long as it isn't aimed at anyone. You're right, though; Sapphira shouldn't edit posts unless they break the rules.
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Thread unlocked. The rule is not "Do not swear," it's "do not avoid the censor." Doing vigilante modding to remove content that the rules don't prohibit is... mehhh
No hard feeling Sapph, but c'mon.
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It still boggles my mind how she stayed in power all these years, even after abusing the **** out of it and being borderline psychotic with the [dukar] that she did. And I'm not just talking about the censorship of profanity, but also when ever someone taunted her god (who doesn't exist btw :) ) even saying "for God sakes" was off limits.
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Basically Sapph, stop trying to force your own beliefs on us. You can't force people to change something so insignificant just because you yourself have a massive pet peeve.
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Let's try to avoid turning this into a Sapphira flame war and get back on topic.
**** censorship.
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Some of you guys make it really difficult to disagree with her because you make it so personal. Most people disagree with what she's doing, but being jerks about it doesn't help anything.
I'm glad to see this thread reopened, but not for what it's been used for since.
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Jake seems like a very angry individual.
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(who doesn't exist btw :) )
Right on.
Jake seems like a very angry individual.
If your name was once Poop Dude, you'd be angry too!
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Jake seems like a very angry individual.
If your name was once Poop Dude, you'd be angry too!
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcontent.ytmnd.com%2Fcontent%2F8%2F7%2F9%2F8793c4ef758eb78bdf15f0383068a9d6.gif&hash=4fdbfe29c2c81c663630d859cf0deb39)
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Chill [dukar] bro.
Also, why did it take me until now to realize this thread had a poll? A better question though, who voted for manual censoring?
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If this is how we're all going to react when Sapphira censors a couple of words, then, quite frankly, we don't deserve the right to swear. Yes, Sapphira shouldn't have edited what was already censored out, but is whinging about it like spoilt children really going to help?
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Come on now guys, it's just extremely childish to attack someone personally if you don't like what they're doing.
Everyone's an adult here. Act like one.
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**** censorship.
This has been QFT'd to a ridiculous level, but I DON'T CARE.
Saph, just out of curiosity, why censor if there's a setting where you can switch swears on or off? I mean, if people don't want to see them (Including you) you could just switch it on. (Sorry for bringing back the Saph argument.)
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See, I do think the best solution is "swear ratings" like coolkid mentioned, where you can choose to censor nothing, censor only the more egregious swears, censor all but the more "tame" swears, or censor anything offensive, but that requires coding and is probably more of a pain than it's worth.
And, while I don't think attacking Sapph's personal dislike of swearing is cool, I actually have issues with the whole "editing things when people with higher/equal ranks and stuff don't care" complex. That reeks of power tripping, which isn't cool no matter who does it. Especially if said "self-censoring" exists -- then you start forcing your beliefs onto others via the law, which is pretty much the bane of my existence.
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Imposition of beliefs is the reason laws exist. That's not the issue here. The issue is that the rule of law in this case doesn't call for manual censorship, and people are overreacting to Sapphira's doing it.
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Laws exist to prevent chaos. How the X are we overreacting? She's forcing her beliefs upon others. It's really no big deal, but you act like we're spawning huge all-caps rants or something. We're mildly disappointed over her abusing her power, and that's it.
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Offensiveness isn't grounds for legal coercion, and if a person in authority censors someone, the rest of us have every right to complain about it.
Moral busybodies need to blow it out their ass.
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uh, just saying, but it looks like almost all the people here who swear sound like little kids who just learned to swear...quit overusing it and just talk like your normal self and stop trying to sound like tough guys...
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I like this guy.
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He's the best new member we've had in a while.
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:D keep it fly :D
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Yeah, "new" member.
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/facepalm
Uhhhhhhhhhhhh, who closed "(insert adjective here) stories"? And why? That was one of my favorite threads.
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What? WHAT? Why would? WHO?
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I believe it's back.
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I unlocked it, that's why
Maybe I locked it by mistake or something, I can't imagine why anyone would lock it on purpose
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It may have been Deezer because I received this dumb CT right after I posted in it (my post was the last post before it got locked).
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I gave you that CT.
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Oh, that's good to know. Now I know who to target during the annual forum party.
That Weegee wasn't invited to.
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That Weegee wasn't invited to.
Story of my life.