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Video Games => Video Game Chat => Topic started by: Chupperson Weird on October 13, 2002, 10:20:58 PM
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Hey, people, I decided that this board needed a Starfox topic... so I made one.
Anyway, I'm gonna start this off with two topics...
Namco Star Fox. I've heard it's gonna be called Star Fox Armada, going to be just another space shooter, and have a different art style. I don't think I'm going to like it very much. Once the series has been taken to a higher level like it has, I don't see how it can revert to a lower type of gameplay. I can understand if it was going to be an arcade game first, then maybe if it did well they could release it on GCN... but they're doing it the other way around.
Second topic: Dinosaur Planet.
It's funny, because Rare didn't think their Dinosaur Planet was going to become a Star Fox game, and yet in the Star Fox (SNES) manual, it states that Fortuna is also called Dinosaur Planet. So you know what this means? The whole game took place on Fortuna! Kinda weird coincidence, huh?
Extra topic: Krystal!
What do ya think about her? Also, since she was originally owned by Rare, do ya think she'll be in any future games? I hope so. Must contact Miyamoto...
None shall dispute my word!
Edited by - Chupperson Weird on 10/13/2002 9:24:20 PM
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I hope somebody replies to this.
None shall dispute my word!
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I love Star Fox. Yes, Yes I do. Way back in the day I couldn't get into the SNES Star Fox game much cause it was too frustrating, but I instantly fell in love with the characters, and thought to myself, "You know, They really should make a game where they get out of their ships and do stuff." (Star Fox 64 was very easy, but It's nearly endless replay value/addiction factor made up for that)
First of all, Star Fox Armada. I would like to respond to this by saying I really need to get onto the internet more. I have heard nothing of this. Poor, poor me. But I hope that if this is an Old School Star Fox type shooter, that they continue with the character development established in SFAdventures. I'd like to ROB as an arwing person on your team (Slippy could probably give the Great Fox an automated system, ala the Enterprize's computer...But simpler), Peppy and Slippy with you, and Falco only appears every three stages or so.
Next, is Star Fox Adventures. It's Fox...Out of The Arwing! Just what I've been dreaming for since I was in First grade (Or when ever that was...I lose my concept of time. I'm old and feeble now.) I'm only 23% through it right now, But I'm decently pleased with it so far. However...One-If they're going to make ROB a major character, they need to actually work with him and develop him. I'm quite intriguied at him being 'one of the guys'. And two-Fox needs his own style. I'm well aware that this wasn't originally going to be a SF game, but in future out of ****-pit expereiences Fox needs to find a gameplay style that's unique, yet still lives up to the Star Fox motif. (I.e Not Parappa esque music levels.)
I doubt we'll see Krstal Ever again-She's fallen into a great character limbo. But don't worry, she's surrounded by people such as Geno, Mallow, and Boshi to keep her company.
I have a question of my own-Do you think the plotline of what happened/is happening to James McCloud will ever be brought up and relevenant to the plot in a future SF game? Or should he even? If he came back would it be like Chrono Cross's "Destroying the legend of Schala?" Just a thought.
(Chocobo's Edit-I Know understand the divine importance of the enter button. Oof, that was one ugly block of text without it.)
Kweeh! Forget Whark! Kweeh! Is better!
Edited by - Chocobo on 10/14/2002 1:04:55 PM
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Yeah, I find the SNES Starfox really hard too. I only tried it recently as a ROM, but it's pretty impressive for its system.
I must say I'm a little confused as to Nintendo's use of Falco. They make him popular (ie. Super Smash Brothers Melee), and then turn around and have him wander off to do his own stuff? I wouldn't be surprised if he came back to the team in a future game.
And I agree, an all-flying game sounds like a step back compared to SFA. It may reek of Legend Of Zelda, but it still rocks.
"Like the moon over
the day, my genius and brawn
are lost on these fools."
-Bowser, SMRPG
Sometimes I dream about being carried off by a giant squirrel...Does that make me a nut?
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Falco is in SFA. At the end, he rejoins the team.
LoZ isn't bad. It's just that it's not 1/4 as good as SFA.
Yeah, SNES Star Fox is definitely too hard.
I have the unreleased "Star Fox 2" ROM... apparently they changed it into SF64, but you know what's really weird is how they totally scrapped the story from Star Fox 1 when they made SF64. And I'm sure glad they did. It's so much better in the last two games.
As for Krystal, I have high hopes that she will be in more games... Let's see, SFA ends with her on the Great Fox (sorry to spoil it, but it's necessary to analyze the situation), Tricky becoming an honorary member of the team, and it's clear that Fox is in love with Krystal. And I think Nintendo owns the rights to them, unlike the SMRPG characters.
Star Fox Armada... is weird. It looks like a cartoon. Sorta like higher-res versions of the SNES sprites... goofy lookin'. The only place I've found info on it so far is IGN.
Yeah, it would be cool if ROB was a pilot... Krystal would make a good pilot too. She's got her own starship, after all. Then that would make up for Peppy and Slippy retiring from piloting.
In fact, it seems to me that the only way they could avoid putting the new SFA characters in the next game is to have it in a different time period... which would wreck the story.
One other thing, I seem to be out of the loop regarding James McCloud. Exactly what is going on with him? I know you can get a message from him in SFA... but other than that, I don't really know what's up with him.
None shall dispute my word!
Edited by - Chupperson Weird on 10/14/2002 10:26:20 PM
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Hmmm... let's see if I can remember all of this...
The reason Falco wasn't in SFAd is because they couldn't think of a way to include him. They had to just change the people from the Dinosaur Planet game.
Armada...
It doesn't look as bad as you say it does, but keep in mind it's not an >actual< GameCube game, it's and arcade game.
ROB as a pilot...
He was one of those stupid, useless additions to the NES, and the game makers thought it would be funny to include him. His original purpose was to take a disk and plop it down on this sensor pad when you came to a certain point in Gyromite, and it would open a door. Here's a picture of him.
http://www.thepong.com/Sites/Left/Nintendo/GFX/NES/Rob.jpg
They also used him in Kirby's Dream Land 3.
http://www.classicgaming.com/nindb/snes/cameos/kirbysdreamland3-rob.jpg
Krystal...
Well, she is an original Rare character, but I have no idea whether or not Nintendo can use her. I wouldn't want her to though, and I hate that **** Fortunian language babble that she spits out. "Ooo-ay".
Ol' Jimmy...
I thought he was dead. The Star Fox 64 instruction manual says he was captured by Andros, but would he really be alive after all these years?
Interesting tidbit: The governor of the Dominion of New England was also named Andros.
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Disclaimer*: If you're gonna ruin this topic, don't bother posting.
frostbite - regarding Krystal and Armada:
Those are YOUR opinions, and you can't say for sure what anyone but yourself thinks about it. And you obviously haven't finished the game, or you would know that Krystal also speaks English (Lylat actually, I guess), and that Falco is in the game.
Hmm... that's not the same ROB, duh! It may have started that way, but face it, he looks way different than that thing.
True, Krystal WAS originally a Rare character, but if you notice, Rare holds no copyrights on SFA.
Armada is going to be a GCN game first, then be put in arcades later.
That's Andross. With TWO Ss.
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I had a brilliant idea earlier today: An English-to-Dino translator! That would be cool. I'll start work on one soon.
*Disclaimer © Chupperson Weird® 2002
None shall dispute my word!
Dede jxucc tajfiko mo neht!
Edited by - Chupperson Weird on 10/15/2002 11:23:26 PM
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Come back!
Next topic: Voices.
None shall dispute my word!
Dedo jxucc tajfiko mo neht!
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No, it's not MY OPINION about Armada, it's what IGN.com says. Moron. Jerk. Idiot.
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Weekly Frostbite Quote #5:
[Suck compilation]
1. You suck like a gay weasel.
2. You suck like a very hungry infant.
3. You suck so badly, your lips are chafed.
4. You’re just a failure-fried pile of suck, with some Pity Sauce on the side, because the suck tastes so bad you have to dip it in something, and mustard doesn’t work in this world of metaphors.
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IGN = only good for its media downloads... and occasional hilarious weird jokes
You said that it doesn't look as bad as I say it does. That's YOUR opinion.
Fox looks like a cartoon. The Arwings look like boats with blue wings.
Good points about the game:
Fox's eyes are green. That's right, at least.
You can't tell who's in the Arwings. That means it could be people other than Falco, Peppy and Slippy. Peppy and Slippy retired, remember?
None shall dispute my word!
Dedo jxucc tajfiko mo neht!
Edited by - Chupperson Weird on 10/17/2002 11:22:42 PM
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Come on, people! Please post here! Or this topic shall become nothing but a compendium of my ponderings of the nuances of the series!
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So?
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What.
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Who?
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well, i like starfox. its just not as much as chupperson (obviously) i think its really cool that they have him out of his arwing and now on the ground, even though ive never played the game. and speakin of james mcloud, i finished the game on all of the hard routes and at the end (after defeating the brain of andross) james flies around with you. no i dont mean the part where he leads you out of the tunnel, i mean he actually flies with you, then he dissapears.
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oh yeah, speakin of SF64, i really like the song at the lylat system map, does anyone know where i can hear that or download an MP3 of it. i think that song is really cool ;)
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You can find a MIDI of that at vgmusic.com.
It's also the map screen music from SFA... and in there it's got bongos.
D. Wise must like lots of bongos. He puts them in everything. Donkey Kong music, SFA music...
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*sigh*
I suppose I won't find anyone else here with my passion for SFA... I don't even really like StarFox 1 and SF64 that much... I mean, SF64's good, but SFA really got me goin'. The game needed a good story... it certainly has a huge amazing storyline. And the series needed a girl... position filled quite adequately.
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Making Star Fox whatever be an arwing game would NOT be a downgrade in gameplay.
If Nintendo's planning on winning this consle war, they're gonna need something for everyone. They've done action with mario/dk, adventure with zelda, fps(soon to be) with metroid,racing with f-zero, puzzle with dr. mario, sports with...nothing but mario golf and tennis, rpg with pokemon, and flight sim with starfox. I for one am a huge fan of flight sim. Sometimes I pop in a star wars movie and fast forward it to the end just to see the space battle.
Sure, nintendo could depend on third parties to carry them in those neglected genres, but for every(or most) hardcore nintendo fan(s), its their dream tho be able to say-"I've seen Nintendo's greatness in every genre" (/end corny music
Starfox deserves to be one of a kind, because how many anti-nintendo fanboys have been able to say they've seen a fox in a mini-rocket blowing up giant faces?
Bottom Line: Fox McCloud, stay in that ****pit!
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What the heck? I only said
c o c k p i t
!?!?!?!?
It that some new cuss word I didn't hear about?
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Well, a return to flight-sim wouldn't be a downgrade in gameplay so much as a downgrade in plot. How can you have a plot when all you do is shoot stuff? And what would the point of a new Starfox flight-sim game be, anyways? Killing Andross yet again? Puhlease. Bowser and Ganondorf fill the Villain Who Never Ever Stays Dead category quite nicely, we don't need Starfox to jump on the bandwagon. Unless Nintendo thinks up some amazing new plot, I can't think of anything other than shooting asteroids and flying through weird gold rings.
And I thought I was the only one who noticed that Fox's eyes changed colour! :D I like 'em either way, blue or green, which I find surprising because I'm an obsessive fangirl about details like that.
A friend of mine found a cheat code that translates all of SFA's subtitles to Dinosaur. Even the English ones. Pointless, eh?
"Like the moon over
the day, my genius and brawn
are lost on these fools."
-Bowser, SMRPG
Sometimes I dream about being carried off by a giant squirrel...Does that make me a nut?
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It wouldn't have a plot that would last the length of the game, but develop in segments as you cmplete more levels.
For example, in Star Wars Rougue Leader, you fight a battle in one mission(Battle of Hoth) and in the next mission your goal is to rescue those taken prisoner in the battle.
And, there's 3 missions leading up to the final battle. 1st-you get information, 2nd-you get access to the site of the battle, 3rd-you get gases needed to power weopons. Then you fight the battle. It's a continuously unraveling plot that doesn't rest.
Something like that.
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Well! I'm glad to see somebody replying to my topic! :-)
I agree, it wouldn't be as much a downgrade in gameplay, but seriously. According to Nintendo roughly 3 years ago, "Mr. Miyamoto put everything he wanted into Starfox 64. There will not be a sequel." or something to that effect. So they better have some whizbang wowee thing going for it or it won't be that great.
Don't get me wrong, flight sim games are fine... It just gets tiresome after a while... A concept as good as Starfox deserves to have tons of variety, like SFA has...
I just hope, one way or another, that Krystal is back in future games. She doesn't deserve to just disappear.
What would be cool is another SFA-type game with more flying, and more Krystal. SFA showed us what could be done. Now, they can improve that. More flying missions, and like you can change what character you are more often. That would be cool.
Eye color: Actually, it's really strange... In Starfox (SNES), his eyes were brown! In SF64, his eyes were black. In SSBM, his eyes were blue. And now, in SFA, his eyes are green. I personally think that green works best... Brown and blue just don't really fit.
Bottom line: Sure, flying games make great arcade games, (and I suppose that's what SFArmada is really supposed to be...), but the level of depth in SFA should be kept in future games.
And Krystal! She's perfect for this type of thing...
If they don't actually continue the story from SFA, I'm gonna be mad. The series might fall prey to "Mega Man syndrome"... after a while, it's the same story as the last game... with slight variations. They've made it clear that time actually passes, and there's actually a story... I just hope they keep going with it.
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thanx 4 the tip on the midi. ive played SF1 and its pretty cool, but i like SF64 better.
YOU HAVE NO CHANCE TO SURVIVE MAKE YOUR TIME!!!
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You're welcome.
I agree, SF64 is better than SFSNES, but SFA is way better than SF64. :-)
Eeh hee hee hee heeeee!
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What's the Dinosaur subtitle code?
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It's not a code. You buy a cheat token from one of those dudes in a well and go throw it in the well in the maze, then ROB has an option to view the subtitles that way.
Eeh hee hee hee heeeee!
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So... whaddya guys think about all the people that have done their voices? I think the current cast is the best...
Eeh hee hee hee heeeee!
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Anybody?
...I guess if I keep this topic alive long enough, somebody will come along who cares enough to talk to me. :-(
Eeh hee hee hee heeeee!
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I like the Warp Stone's voice. Sounds like Shrek.
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(Family is at dinner watching TV)
Dan: That guy kind of looks like Bill Gates.
Mike: His name is Richard, so that would be Bill.
Dan: No--
Melissa: No, that’s Robert!
Dan: It’s William, you idiot!
Melissa: Oh.
Dan: Gotta write that down. (exits to family room and computer)
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You're right, starfox does need variety, but what bugs me is that SFA was not even a SF game to begin with. Would you have bought it if it hadn't taken the SF route and stuck to a sleeper hit with a new character like Pikmin?
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If it hadn't been Starfox...
1. It might never have gotten released
2. I wouldn't even ever have heard of it
3. It would have had Sabre, who had a really dumb REALLY HIGH voice.
4. There wouldn't ever have been another Starfox game
5. It wouldn't have had as great of a storyline and
6. I wouldn't be begging for a sequel.
I want to see what happens next. That's the only reason Krystal shows up in 60% of my posts. She's suddenly become an integral part of the story. They need to continue the relationship with Fox and Krystal... and they need to keep developing all the characters.
Yeah... WarpStone's cool. Did you know when it was still Dinosaur Planet he was called SwapStone because he let you switch between Sabre and Krystal?
How about Fox's voice? Is Steve Malpass American? He doesn't quite sound American. He's got a cool accent.
And Peppy and Slippy... I think Chris Seavor must be Australian or something...
Same goes for Ben Cullum... Falco doesn't sound American either.
And then E. Ellis (anybody know what her first name us?) I think she exaggerated her British accent to do Krystal's voice... hmm... I like talking about details like these...
And why does that bug you? I'm really glad they turned it into SFA... Otherwise, I would have missed Rare's greatest game ever.
It's my favorite game! At least until they make a SFA 2... Man, I gotta write Miyamoto.
Eeh hee hee hee heeeee!
Edited by - Chupperson Weird on 10/26/2002 10:30:25 PM
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I don't believe this.
Yeah, it`s me, that gremlin that does stuff while you`re not looking. Eeh hee hee hee heeeee!
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Steve Malpass? Isn't he Slippy? Either way, he's not American.
And Krystal sounds Puerto Rican to me. Oh well.
(Interesting note: In Banjo-Tooie, the androgenous Merry Maggie Malpass [the gay frog's co-worker] was named after Steve.)
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Weekly Frostbite Quote #7:
"Darkness comes over the land,
The Night grabs us with its cold, sticky hand.
We beg the Night to let us go,
But it grabs us tighter, saying, `No.`
Then it stabs us in the head.
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Steve Malpass is Fox.
Chris Seavor is Slippy and Peppy.
Hmm... that's weird... but I've never played Banjo-Tooie, so I wouldn't know who you were talking about.
And Krystal... have you beaten the game? She speaks with a very British accent when she speaks English.
Yeah, it`s me, that gremlin that does stuff while you`re not looking. Eeh hee hee hee heeeee!
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Grr.
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No, I haven't beaten the game yet. I'm still in that snowy place. Even if she speaks in an English accent when she speaks English, when she speaks Dinosaur she sounds Hispanic.
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Weekly Frostbite Quote #7:
"Darkness comes over the land,
The Night grabs us with its cold, sticky hand.
We beg the Night to let us go,
But it grabs us tighter, saying, `No.`
Then it stabs us in the head.
Because of Daylight Saving Time, we now are dead."
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Edited by - frostbite on 11/1/2002 12:27:01 PM
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Yeah, I guess she does, kinda.
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And did you know that the announcer from SSBM also played an announcer in the Jean Claude Van Damme movie, "Kickboxer" ?
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Weekly Frostbite Quote #7:
"Darkness comes over the land,
The Night grabs us with its cold, sticky hand.
We beg the Night to let us go,
But it grabs us tighter, saying, `No.`
Then it stabs us in the head.
Because of Daylight Saving Time, we now are dead."
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OH MY GOSH, SFA is sooooo FREAKIN COOL!!! i really like when u start to play as Starfox, but i dont care too much for the beggining levels. they talk to much about spirits and stuff. dont like it too much. otherwise, its really cool.
YOU HAVE NO CHANCE TO SURVIVE MAKE YOUR TIME!!!
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Dean Harrington? Well, that's interesting.
LORD_DUKE, Fox has to collect 5 more Krazoa Spirits... just so you know. And really, they aren't spirits, as in ghosts, they're more... sort of non-corporeal lifeforms. What they really are is energy beings not manifested in solid form. But later, you actually talk to a Krazoa... and it's not a "spirit"...
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Hey Frostbite, YOU tell that Ooze guy that SFA's good.
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Hey, Ooze 2, Star Fox Adventures is GOOD. Like barley.
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Weekly Frostbite Quote #8:
Scott: There''s a rumor going around that you had sex with three goats. Is that true?
Dan: I wish.
Annoying Person: Man, goat boy, you''re disgusting.
Scott: Hey everyone, Scarpa wants to have goat sex!
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There you go again... I think that's funny... I just don't know WHY.
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I just saw this
"when she speaks Dinosaur she sounds Hispanic"
-frostbite
BWA HA HA H AH!!! thats funny
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Well, she does, sort of. The way you have to accent some stuff sounds remotely like Spanish, but it really sounds like something even more obscure.
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And sometimes on some words, she sounded like Miss Cleo.
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Heaven forbid. Miss Cleo... what a riot.
Hmm... what else can we talk about about Star Fox?
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starfox i very good targeting shooting
game. i like the new one starfox adventure
but i only played it once at my friend's house. that sucks they bought out rare
but anyways who is your favorite character?
besides krystal. mine would be falco yes my
favorite character of the starfox team.
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Umm... besides Krystal, my favorite Starfox character would probably be Fox.
I, too, like Starfox Adventures more than the space shooter Starfox games.
Ooh Heh
Ooh Heh
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your much of a newbie aren't you? you only played the SFA,and SF64 well newbies are still cool,...i guess heh heh just kidding.
but anyways SF64 is actully the shortest star
fox game i think.(its the easiest)
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What are you implying? That I haven't played the SNES Star Fox? I have, and I have beaten it, but it's so dang hard, I don't like it much.
FYI, I was a "newbie" about 8 years ago.
Don't go assuming things you do not know.
If you're good, Star Fox 1 is the shortest.
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Well, time to revive my topic.
"Thus has it ever been! Thus shall it ever be!"
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Ok, CW you've sold me on Star Fox. I am going to use the money from selling Mario Party 4 to get it if I can find it used. Aslo, I preordered Zelda and may get Wario too. I hope I can make enought selling my rare NES games on ebay.
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:-D
It'll be worth your money, that's for sure.
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CW, did you see the Star Fox Desktop Commander?
http://www.fileplanet.com/files/110000/116280.shtml
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I glanced by it but didn't have the time to look at it. Thanks for posting the link. :-)
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Today I got a big (2½'x3½' or something) SFA poster from Wal*Mart... FOR FREE! And the lady at the electronics department said they were going to throw it away anyway... so SCORE!
So look at it here:
http://matthewenterprises.tripod.com/coolposter.jpg
Edited by - Chupperson Weird on 12/29/2002 9:20:53 PM
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I'm working on a Starfox section for a games website I'm helping with, so what do you think I should include in it? Right now, I've got ROMs, images, and MIDIs... I think I'll probably add a storyline section... what else does anybody reading this think I should put in?
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*sigh* Nobody really cares about Fox and the gang...
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...Except me, that is.
Yup... here it comes. The compendium of philosophical ponderings.
I think the Starfox games take place in the present (or somewhere near the present). I don't think they are set in the future... because who knows, an advanced race of intelligent animals living near the center of the Milky Way could be possible...
Edited by - Chupperson Weird on 12/31/2002 12:07:27 AM
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Actually I could care less about Krystal and will only buy another SF game if they go back to it being a shooter. I fell in love with SF years ago, and I've even made a model Arwing, to prove how much I was into it. But I haven't bought SFA because Falco is gone and I loved the shooter theme, that's what SF was all about, and the plot was always fine. SF was never about emotional, Fox falls in love, fantasy crap. Just sci-fi, hi-tech Star Wars type worlds and action. And it should stay that way.
Since Armada sounds so bad, (Nintendo's messing up the look of every game, ex. Zelda), and I was hoping the game after SFA would revert to SF style, I'm veeeery disappointed.
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Well whatever, Mr. (not) Lombardi.
For your information, you wouldn't be able to even BEAT SFA without Falco. He IS in the game, he saves Fox from Andross.
And if you "could care less", that means that you do care. Hah. I believe you probably meant that you couldn't.
Zelda was always supposed to be a cartoon. Its art style is as it should be. However, Starfox was never a cartoon, hence my only complaint. Armada will be a space shooter. It should be fine in plot and gameplay areas.
P.S. SFA's plot ROCKED!!!
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Uh, you don't need to get all defensive because I disagree with you. No wonder noone wants to reply to your topic. How old are you?
I think people need to stop being obsessed over Krystal, or the love connection between two -animals-. I can understand people liking a theme like that in Zelda but it just doesn't belong here. You may argue that the plot is "involving and emotional" moreso than the last games; do I want that in Starfox, no. It's an intergalactic space wars and sci-fi genre like I said before, not magic and love stuff. I guess I'm just too hardcore and nostalgic about SF for all this. I'll end up buying the game, but I'm still disappointed the greatness of SF and SF64 won't be repeated, except in a degraded cartoon format (and this is an even bigger travesty with Zelda.. )
And just because Falco makes a cameo does not mean he's in the game like he used to be. Oh, something else for you to ponder: I am not a Mr., k thx.
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Falco is a "Mr.", however.
So, no one wants to reply to my topic, eh? Sure is funny how it's gone on for five pages like this.
Anyway, that may be your opinion, and that's fine and all... but I tend to think of the Starfox characters as people, rather than animals... it's anthropomorphic, remember. They have personalities and stuff... they just look different, sorta.
Anyway, Armada should fill your need for a "classic" Starfox space shooter. Even if it looks like a cartoon right now (which they'll probably change,) it has new features that expand on Starfox 64.
The bottom line is, SF64 has lots of character interaction, and so does SFA. That's what the core of Starfox is. The characters!
At any rate, even though they may call it magic, if you look, it's actually highly advanced technology.
And even if you say what genre Starfox is, that doesn't necessarily make it so. There've only been three games in the whole series, and only two of them have the correct storyline!
Another thing, you will probably never find a bigger fan of Starfox than me. I may not be as nostalgic or "hardcore" as you, but that's not what it's about. I am not hardcore, but diehard.
If you're too hardcore to want to play the next game in the series, then I can't really see that as being a fan of the series. But that's just me, and I have very little influence on people.
Anyway, I got me a copy of Starfox 64 off eBay for $11 plus shipping, and that's with the box, manual, and the Rumble Pak. I'm rather pleased.
P.S. As I said before, Zelda games were always supposed to be cartoons. Did you not know that?
The Wind Waker looks way better than the N64 titles, in my opinion.
Edited by - Chupperson Weird on 1/17/2003 10:50:18 PM
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Zelda was only a "cartoon" because the power of the NES and SNES hardware couldn't make it anything more, and even then the cutscenes and character art were hand-drawn but somewhat realistic. The Zelda TV series had more realistically drawn characters as well. Wind Waker however is -completely- cartoon-like, despite GC being able to support better design, and unlike the past drawing-style of Zelda, WW has out of proportion, silly looking cheeseball characters.
So by your logic, are all old video games cartoons because of the way they were rendered?
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Its cartoony because its cel-shaded.Plus they dont look like "cheeseball characters" they actually look kinda cool,but I was looking forward to a 3D Zelda game like OoT,that was a great game,so was Majoras Mask.
Do you know when we die,we''ll be boos too?
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They all had cartoon production art... and "Falco," there is one thing that you seem to have missing in your equation, and that is that Miyamoto's ambition is to create interactive cartoons.
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hey guys, just thought id drop by! So are these the only ppl here, and i see we also have a new guy, welcome Falco. Um...ive been here for a long time, but then i left for a long time...so....now im back. yeah!
NO ONE CAN REACH MY SUPREMACY, NO ONE!!!!
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Yeah, this topic hasn't been doing too hot recently...
I write poetry when I`m not looking.
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I think Chupperson & I overcame Falco so I think he left because he hasnt replied for awhile....
Do you know when we die,we''ll be boos too?
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chocobo u rock!
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It always annoyed me how "General Scales," "Dinosaur Planet," "EarthWalker," etc. were all in English even when they were speaking dinosaur language. Really breaks the suspension of disbelief.
When writing that, I grabbed the SFA manual intending to look up and use the real name for that language and not just call it dinosaur language, but that's what it's called in the manual. So yeah.
When's Chup gonna announce the next discussion topic?
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Okay, when there's a Star Fox topic, I need to know about it, k? I might not be a total Star Fox nut (never played Armada or Command), but I do like talking about it.
Chup topic 1: Star Fox Armada
I've stubbornly refused to play it or even admit it exists due to mixed reviews and a revolting new look to the characters. Fox and Falco just look ugly, and the idea of blasting away on foot doesn't sound right. Maybe I'm remembering how much more frustrating it was to shoot stuff in the air when in the Landmaster. I think more than anything I was disappointed that Falco still didn't look like his Smash Bros. Melee incarnation (which I think is the best he's ever looked). I didn't quite think Krystal fit as a member of the Star Fox team (Fara Phoenix fan here, all the way), but I'm starting to come around. After watching a few YouTube videos, the game doesn't look too bad.
The briefing screens I was really surprised by. They actually look good. The animated performances make it exciting. I mean, the acting could be better, but their movements and some of the intonations more than make up for it. It's a shame they tore out facial expressions due to not having time or whatever, but I honestly wouldn't notice it unless I saw the Japanese version side by side. Hard to pick favorites, but there's the Fortuna briefing for the great use of the Star Fox theme music and the Katina briefing for the awesome performance of Beltino. I guess I can also take joy in General Pepper's zombie-dog appearance and his botched pronunciation of "Katina".
Chup topic 2: Dinosaur Planet
It is a coincedence, although looking back, I never knew why Fortuna was called the dinosaur planet. I saw flora and sea dragons and two-headed chickens, but no dinosaurs. Dinosaur Planet looks a bit too different from Fortuna to be the same thing (for one thing, it's a lot more densely populated), but it'd be cool if retroactively it was Fortuna. But now we know Dinosaur Planet is Sauria.
Chup topic 3: Krystal
At first, I really liked Krystal. Partly played the game just to see her (the other part was just being able to play as Fox again), had a few dreams about her, had a cozy #3 spot on "Fictional Characters I Have a Crush On". Then I stopped caring once she became part of the team. Maybe the whole mystery of her from SFA was gone by that point. I really wouldn't care if she disappeared from future games, as I've always cared about the original team (except Slippy).
Chocobo bit: Star Fox SNES
I played the SNES version shortly before the N64 version came out. I guess it was the characters that hooked me in more than anything else. I remember liking the game, but to date it's the only videogame I get seizures from. Serious headaches after playing for a few minutes. So I played it as a ROM with 50% scanlines and that seems to help. At first I found the game to be tough as nails. I couldn't even get past the Easy path (I usually got stuck on Meteor. That darn spider boss). But with a little more practice, I started to break through and complete more levels. It's not an easy game.
I like Star Fox 64, but its easy levels really start to count against it after a while (the only real challenge is Star Wolf on Venom 2), and the levels just seem to lack the magic of the SNES's levels. It's also seriously lacking in comparison to the SNES version's music. The SNES version had the right presentation and setting and difficulty. If only there can be an upgraded version of that, I'd be happy. Another thing in the SNES version I prefer over the later games: Peppy didn't look old and he didn't sound old.
Chocobo mention: Star Fox Adventures
Love the game. Yeah it's just Zelda with Fox McCloud, but it works. Beautiful graphics even today, an actual fluid framerate (never thought I'd see that from Rare), great music, great facial expressions in cutscenes. The first time it became night on Dinosaur Planet, I just stood there in awe because of the Thorntail Hollow Night music. I haven't heard anything prettier... until the Viva Pinata soundtrack came along and blew it out of the water. But SFA does have some serious flaws. The battles are an absolute joke and were pretty abrupt. You'd be walking along and then you'd have to fight some weakling you'd have to bash five times. I just ran past them if I could help it. The shopkeeper's one of the most annoying characters I've heard in a videogame, and the best I was able to buy anything below sale price was like one scarab. I do appreciate how Rare was able to contort his face to make believable mouth movements when talking though. And some of the puzzles are unfair. I was stuck at the... oh, that place with the Red Eye dinosaur... I was stuck for hours until I discovered one small switch on the side of a tree. I must have passed by that tree 50 times, but no, I never had the camera tilted -just so-. Overall, playing as Fox and the responsive controls and pleasant experience kept me going. The final battle's a total gyp though, and it was almost too difficult for me. It shouldn't be difficult, I've done that same basic battle before, so why is it so hard all of a sudden? And yet, the ending was TOTALLY worth it. Some people call Star Fox Adventures one of Rare's weakest offerings (before Grabbed By the Ghoulies came out). I say it was one of their best. I still dig those water effects. Oh, and I can't possibly forget Chief Lightfoot. His voice intonations are some of the funniest. Lightfoot needed more screen time.
But I am still very curious on what Dinosaur Planet would have been like if it released for N64 and Fox wasn't involved. From screenshots it barely even looks like the same game. Music's different, colors and atmosphere are different, Cape Claw's unrecognizable. I appreciate they moved it to the GameCube to give it a much-needed graphics and audio lift (and for giving the world Krystal the fox instead of Krystal the cat), but I still wonder what might have been. I would have bought Dinosaur Planet for N64 if it had come out. Because I hadn't yet discovered the joy that was Banjo-Kazooie, even though it had been out for ages.
Chocobo mention: James McCloud
Not unless Nintendo chooses to revisit or retcon the original storyline. I think a cameo by James in Star Fox 64 is enough for one lifetime, given how well that sequence was pulled off. I know it won't happen, but I wish they used the storyline in the Star Fox comics. Not just for a chance at Fara being in the games, but also because it's a whole lot cooler for James to visit the team while inside an intergalactic space whale. James seems to be a good character, but not something I would have the series dwell on. I don't find there being any big mystery surrounding him. Andross and Pigma were jerks, end of story.
Chup topic 4: Voices
Fox's voice rocks. I liked Peppy's chatter in the SNES game, vastly preferred it to his old voice in the later games. The old voice isn't bad, it's just not what I expected the character to turn out to be. When I first saw N64 renders of Peppy, I thought he'd keep a young voice, but no. Didn't like Falco in the SNES game because it sounded like he was belching his lines, but SF64 was a major change for the better and established Falco as the lovable smart-aleck. Slippy is interesting. He sounded good enough in the SNES version. N64 version was pure unfiltered torture (it's amazing how close Slippy's tone of "NOOOOO!" is to Darth Vader's NOOOO). He sounds a bit better in SFA. And he's nearly tolerable in Armada. But what really surprised me was that he looks good in SFA and Armada. Whereas I hated Peppy's old look and nearly the whole cast of Armada disgusts me, Slippy has consistently looked normal. So somehow, Slippy's gotten off pretty well in voice and looks over the course of the series.
I'll write more later, maybe. This is already too long.
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chocobo u rock!
You, sir, are the best poster EVER.
Seriously, you bumped TWO almost SEVEN year old topics...
with a three word post complimenting one of the posters who hasn't posted since June of '08. SERIOUSLY?
AND you bumped a topic written in '04! Come on, dude. You can do better than that.
But in all seriousness, I love the Star Fox series.
-COMPLAINTS >:(-
Original: AUGH HOLY CRAP THIS GAME IS TOO HARD! For real, I make it to Stage 6 on Route 1 and get the crap bombarded out of me just out of entering the level.
2: (Yes, I played it. DON'T ASK HOW.) On Nintendo, for not releasing it. Really? I know the N64 was coming, but the game was roughly 96% finished. There was NO excuse for that.
64: That's all? Really? Normal mode was THAT easy? All 3 routes simply aren't hard enough. Of course I realize they were trying to make amends with worse gamers (such as myself) by making the normal mode easy, but...
I know about the expert mode, which you can only unlock by getting all medals in every level.
To all you Assault and Adventures haters (myself the later), this game introduced 3rd person on-foot shooter Star Fox. Not really a complaint, but get every medal on Expert. Go to multiplayer.
Adventures: You know, I'm not even gonna say anything about this game.
Okay, fine. Why tack Fox onto a completely unrelated game? I'm lookin' at you, Nintendo, for making this happen. On a related note, Nintendo, stop pawning the Star Fox games onto other developers. Rare? NAMCO? FREAKING Q GAMES!? (I know, the guy who founded it worked at Argonaut, which made the Super FX chip.) Really, that's just lazy. Thanks to Krystal still being in the game, we have...the plot for Command! But I'll get into that later. Oh, and not to mention the voice acting, generic, often stock sounding (at least to me) sound effects, and plain odd sounding MIDIs.
Assault: It just had this...bland atmosphere to it. It didn't have the same excitement as Star Fox 64 with the Arwing portions. Don't say nostalgia filter, I played Assault first. Krystal RETURNS? Oh, come on! I know furries think she's hot, but she wasn't originally a Star Fox character. and now...
Command: The fuel really bugged me. The stylus controls, like that of Phantom Hourglass, was annoying.
And now, the plot. Please, Star Fox has Action/Sci-Fi, not all this Soap-Opera crap. It tries to be complex sometimes, but oh lord, it just gets more irritating. Please, bring back the simple "Andross! Kill him!" General Pepper is dead. WHAT!? Peppy leads the army now, and has a daughter. Slippy has a girlfriend. Another new guy named Dash. Falco leaves AGAIN. Krystal breaks up with Fox, but is still in the main plot. Come on, now. A complete lack of Landmaster of Blue Marine missions.(Speaking of which, the Blue Marine needs much more love.)
-COMPLIMENTS :D-
Original: First 3-D polygonal console game. Also features a kickin' soundtrack, to boot.
64: Great graphics for it's time, another good, oft-underrated soundtrack, and the best voices in the series, at least emotion-wise. Most fun gameplay.
Adventures: Awesome graphics. Uh...not much else to say here. Oh, the voices are so bad they're actually pretty funny.
Assault: Pretty good graphics. (Noticing a pattern, yet?) Very nice (if slowed down for whatever reason) sounding orchestrations of Star Fox 64 music (Not to mention some pretty good original music.) and the best VOICES that get pretty good emotionally near the end. I really like the ability to switch between the Landmaster, Arwing, or on foot at ease.
Command: Very good graphics for a DS game. (Yep, it's back.) Don't remember much music, so I can't talk about that.
But, when broke down to the basics, they're all really good.
So, uh...yeah?
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The first Star Fox game I played was Adventures. I haven't played any since then. Interpret that how you will.
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I really like how Starfox has continuity. I like feeling like stuff happens to the characters and they change over time. Metroid has some of that, but not as much. Zelda might have it on a grander scale, but not as personally. And Mario doesn't have any, because it's Mario. And I'd really like to see some sort of prequel some day where you play as James. Maybe it could explain how he turned from a human F-Zero pilot into an anthropomorphic fox.
I also like it when 7-year-old topics are bumped and a conversation successfully starts up again.
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The first Star Fox game I played was Adventures. I haven't played any since then. Interpret that how you will.
It means you're a n00b who doesn't know what Star Fox is actually about? But that's okay, neither does Nintendo. HEYOOO!
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Oh man, I don't even want to read the post at the beginning of this thread.
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Nah, it's fine, just a cheerful innocent post typical of those happy-go-lucky days.
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This thread needs moar Krystal.
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I guess as another topic, you can discuss this short piece on why Krystal's popular and whether she ruined Star Fox. (http://www.zentendo.com/features.php?articleId=372&page=1) Maybe I should be scared that the few reasons for and against Krystal are the same as mine: liked Krystal because she was hot, hated Krystal because Fox already had Fara in the comics.
Oh yeah, I remember what made me notice Star Fox in the first place. Well, Nintendo Power not shutting up about it was one, but also because the first Nintendo Power issue I checked out had the Star Fox comic in it, and it looked pretty cool. Then it took five years to rediscover the comic (and how it kept moving to different websites). Those were the days. Yoshi's Story was known as Yoshi's Island 64, the Nintendo Power Star Fox video was the coolest 10-minute video ever... and darn it, back when I read some Star Fox fanfiction that now is lost to time forever.
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*sigh* Now back to the crappy modern-day.
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*sigh* Now back to the crappy modern-day.
We need a thread where someone makes up lyrics to the All In The Family song relevant to how Fungi Forums or the world has changed. Maybe with a touch of "when Star Fox showed promise".
YTMND time!!
An obvious Luigi's Mansion parody. (http://mariofox.ytmnd.com/)
In one video, sums up all the nostalgic feelings we have for the original game. (http://goldfox.ytmnd.com/)
Inspirational music to a screenshot from the Star Fox 64 ending. Beautiful. (http://starfoxending.ytmnd.com/)
And... this Star Fox parody (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67t5WcwJ4YU) from CollegeHumor, now on YouTube.
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You edited your post to have more than just the pic so I now retroactively apply my post only to Brian's. That abominable word "moar".
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Hee hee, I guess I'll point out to penguinwizard that SF64 was a reboot and Fara was only in the SNES continuity. Surely I posted that here somewhere long ago.
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Yeah, it's probably not a good idea to let your young'uns hear this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enS4UhAUwd8&fmt=18
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Come to think of it, maybe I can just accept that original stuff that appears in the Nintendo comics usually won't appear in the series. Star Fox didn't have much of a storyline to begin with, so they invented stuff left and right for the comics, probably including Fara to give a bit of a romantic angle. I saw that Beltino made it into the games (I think Falco's backstory appeared in SF64 too), but not much else. The Super Metroid comic had that annoying second-banana blue bounty hunter (started with an H...) tagging along with Samus (who for some reason had purple hair), and that stuff's been ignored. Super Mario Adventures had all sorts of crazy stuff happening, including that Yoshi village, although I suppose the Mario cartoons were even more out there.
Guess I'll bring up three more topics in the meantime.
1. What do you think of the new characters introduced throughout the series, like ROB, Bill, Kat, Prince Tricky, Beltino, and... uh... the new characters of Assault and Command? I know you don't see them much, but do you think they show promise as characters to be fleshed out more in later games? ...Just like Krystal got more of a role in Assault?
Bill shows promise, what with being involved in a planet crisis that seemed ripped off from Independence Day (you know, it'd be fun to race through a canyon trying to shake off an alien ship. Wonder why the series hasn't had anything like that yet, probably since you can't boost continually to move fast enough to make it exciting). I liked his voice. Kat's just annoying, acting like she's flirting with Fox and Falco the whole time. This is enemy-blasting time, not relationship time. At least she hasn't tried flirting with Slippy yet... ew, EW, bad image, bad image... I don't think many people liked Tricky, but he usually stayed out of the way enough to not be a problem. He was a fun scamp to have around, even if it was annoying having to feed him over and over. And I liked how he would teleport to your location without you noticing. But now that Tricky's grown up, I don't see what else they can do with him unless they made him ridable (maybe they have, I haven't played Assault). I liked him as a youngster. And Beltino... well, he's great in the Assault briefings, but that's all I know about him. It'd be more interesting listening to him than the 108-year-old General Pepper. *checks intro of SF Command on ArwingLanding.net* oh, sorry, 108-year-old Peppy.
2. What do you think of the Star Wolf team?
(too lazy to look through this thread to see if it was already brought up)
I like them primarily because they put up an actual fight, so because of that I have respect for Wolf. And Wolf used to have an eyepatch, which is cool. I could care less about the rest of the team, but since I always enjoyed the boss dialogue in Star Fox 64 (I remember being amazed that bosses actually talked to you for once), it adds a bit of colorful chatter, especially when Pigma gives the rare saying "Daddy screamed reeeaaal good before he died!" I heard that the Wolfen 2 ships were a little faster than Arwings but couldn't turn as well, so it feels more like a fair fight with the ships being about as good as yours.
3. What is your dream Star Fox game like?
Foremost, the ability to talk to your teammates through a headset and have them act on your vocal commands or return relevant commentary. There's a sore lack of feeling that your teammates actually help you (the best thing I ever heard Falco say was "You are NOT taking him down today!" referring to not letting an enemy shoot me down), so make the teammates smart enough to help themselves and you. It's great that in Star Fox 64 you can see your teammates circling around the boss, but that's not good enough. I mean come on, some of the most memorable moments I've had in games were when teammates or sidekicks helped. The difficulty would have to be ramped up so that you'll need and appreciate the help.
Second, just steal the graphics and atmosphere of Ace Combat 6: Fires of Liberation. The first time I saw that game in motion, I thought "this is what Star Fox needs to be." Even when the plane was just floating there in mid-air, it felt like there was always something intense going on because of all the teammate chatter and beeping noises of incoming missiles. This also implies that I want a Star Fox game that relies more on All-Range mode.
Third, if and when I want the immersive experience, have a cockpit mode where the lights and screens inside the Arwing actually do stuff. Metroid Prime showed how cool a fully-functioning cockpit interface can be, as you have the Hazard Warning indicator, counter of how many missiles you have left, and more.
And fourth, give Slippy a lower voice (something approximating his "voice" in the SNES version), maybe give him back his goofy hat, just so he won't be annoying anymore. I accept we'll never get rid of that frog, so the least they can do is tone him down.
I didn't say "go back to the planets, music, and atmosphere of the SNES original" because the games seem good about keeping many of the old places and music around, so it's probably a given.
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Alright, this is definitely the page for me. I am obssessed with starfox. This started when i began playing as Fox in SSB Brawl. Heres what i have to say about my favorite video game series:
Starfox 64 is the best SF adventure game, but Assault has the BEST multiplayer I've ever seen...SF Adventures isn't that great, and SNES is fun, but no save function, Command is fun, especially because you beat it 8 times to win...
Oh, and Penguinwizard, Krystal didnt ruin the game, she got rid of peppy, who I hate, but I think its cheap that in Adventures she speaks in some weird language. The star wolf team is as cool as the SF team aside from Panther
And as for Coolkid, Whats wrong with bumping topics?
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yeah coolkid, i know it was stupid... i was bored and posting a bunch of stuff
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Foxmccloudfan is the coolest person ever and he likes Frosted Mini Wheats! Star Fox is quellsome and Star Fox 64 is the bestest!
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what is this i don't even
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it doesnt matter anymore... FMW are good though...
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We've seen Star Fox 64 voice clips before, but here's Star Fox Adventures voice clips (http://starfox-online.net/games/sfad/voiceacting/) too! Fox sounds a bit goofy with the dialogue out of context, but whatever, I still think he was the best voice Fox ever had.
And I like this short Star Fox Assault cutscene (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LposXwNf4sY), where Falco lands his Arwing by almost crashing it.
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Star fox 64 is the best. but in star fox snes, falco is scary...
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imho the series needs a reboot, back to around the SF64 days. It really flourished as a straight space shooter (with maybe a couple of Landmaster/Blue Marine missions thrown in), instead of it being an adventure/third-person shooter/strategy game. A Star Fox Wii that does that sort of thing would be a godsend imo.
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I was all aboard with Star Fox until Command came out. I played it for a while but man it rubbed me the wrong way or something.
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why? was it the controls or the multiple endings?
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Yes.
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what the...? i said controls or endings. what kind of an answer is yes?
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Maybe it's both.
I haven't played Command, but I took a glance at some of the endings and... is it me, or are they really harsh? There's like only one or two that sound good, the rest seem like they're punishing the player.
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I like Command. Some of the endings are kind of cool.
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Oh yeah... I like the one when Fox and Krystal retire, but have a son, Marcus, who starts a new Star Fox team.
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i like the one where falco gets all dpressed and commits suicide er somthing
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http://nightshade64.googlepages.com/endings
Falco doesn't commit suicide in any of the endings.
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Wow, some of the endings are really stupid. I take back what I said earlier.
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"G-Zero"? Have they no shame?
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Combined with James McCloud of "Galaxy Dog", that pretty much confirms that F-Zero and Star Fox are in parallel universes. Or maybe the same one somehow or something.
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Yeah, but it's still kind of cheap.
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http://nightshade64.googlepages.com/endings
Falco doesn't commit suicide in any of the endings.
yes, but he should
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That's one of the funniest things I've read so far this year.
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I hate falco. He's in love with fox. And fox doesn't know it. Oh boy. Watch out fox.
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I wonder if anyone complains about some of the Meteos endings the way people complain about the Star Fox Command endings.
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are you saying you like falco?
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Given how stupid the teammates are when controlled by the computer, I don't have confidence that Star Fox or Star Falco or any other team could ever save the galaxy without the help of the almighty player. So when I hear Star Falco being as good as Star Fox, that's ridiculous. I just think "we'll see about that, Falco." 5 minutes, that's all it will take.
And where'd this Falco in love with Fox thing come from? Have you been reading Star Fox fanfiction or something?
Also, I'm kind of annoyed that speech is cut off slightly in ROMs of Star Fox 64. When one of Falco's lines end with "Fox", it sounds like he's saying something else. Either that or he doesn't drag out the x sound as long as I do.
I like Falco because his attitude adds to the enjoyment of the team banter. Even though I felt like shooting him down in Titania when he said "I think you look better in a tank", just as I'm getting slammed side to side when crashing into things.
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1. Trust me, he loves fox.
2. I hate him with all my heart body and soul
3. Star falco was a pathetic Q-Games ending (like G-Zero) because they were desperate for Anything to end the series, because they don't want a SF Wii because according to their "leader" (as i call him) "the wii is just a toy"-Dylan Cuthbert
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Well, give it time. There's already Fox suicide videos because of Fox's two-scream technique (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seYnDuxEP0M) when falling down to earth in Star Fox Assault (first scream is quite good (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_HkX29wcjI), second scream doesn't sound remotely appropriate for a death situation), maybe someone should make similar videos for Falco. Or just upload Smash Bros. movies of destroying Falco. Got two games to do it with.
And yeah, G-Zero made me squirm too. I'd buy the parallel universe thing if only Fox and his ship didn't look so different in F-Zero as to clearly not be the same thing. As long as we're making long reaches for parallels, Leon in the Space Angler looks like Wolf o'Donnell, and Falco would be... what, Astro Robin?
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Yeah, and slippy would be the galactic amphibian.
Peppy: the gray hare (get it? he's a gray rabbit, and he's old. think it over)
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Peppy would be in the Night Thunder because its pilot is an old geezer. Slippy would be in whatever the worst machine is... according to one person, that's Great Star piloted by the fat Mario-like guy Mr. EAD.
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slippy
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What the ****?
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Okay, you should remove the Slippy one, no one needs to see that. The Fox/Krystal and Peppy ones kind of spooked me though.
Besides, here's the real Peppy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfUHTPQjse4).
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Looks like Fox and Krystal are having anothor fight about children...
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Also, those are wolves, not foxes.
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Its hard 2 come by fighting foxes but,
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here ya go.
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Oh my god! Krystal Went through with it! She killed Peppy!!!
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There's a scene in Otis and Milo where a fox eats a hedgehog.
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Milo and otis... i haven't seen that since i was 5... weird movie, wasnt it live action? it was like a prallel to the bear one.
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You, sir, are the best poster EVER.
Seriously, you bumped TWO almost SEVEN year old topics...
with a three word post complimenting one of the posters who hasn't posted since June of '08. SERIOUSLY?
AND you bumped a topic written in '04! Come on, dude. You can do better than that.
I laugh when i think that a week ago, i bumped this unknowingly because i was new... ha!
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Krystal firing at Slippy, look at the sky near the top (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRxYECQZ2o4).
This topic is getting dangerously off topic, what with all the pictures being posted by almost one person.
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Krystal firing at Slippy, look at the sky near the top (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRxYECQZ2o4).
This topic is getting dangerously off topic, what with all the pictures being posted by almost one person.
key word:ALMOST
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This topic is getting dangerously off topic, what with all the pictures being posted by almost one person.
Have you seen his name and the thread's title? I don't think we have anything to worry about. Yet.
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once again, ALMOST
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omf foxmccloudfan are funnay
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No, just persistent.
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Well, I just played Star Fox 2 via a ROM and English patch. And it's awesome.
It has a very different feel from the first game. In this one, everything's in all-range mode (there's a few corridors throughout, but you have the choice to fly through them with your Arwing or transform into a land-based vehicle at will, and you can turn around if you want). There's several threats coming across the galaxy to attack Corneria (missiles, battleships, Star Wolf, etc.), and you get to decide what order to attack them in (or even whether to attack, as there might be a more serious threat that demands your attention). As soon as you start moving on the map screen, everything starts moving, so you need to know where you want to go and act. On top of that, stuff continues to move even while you're on a planet, so you can be trying to take out a boss and then get a message from Pepper during it saying another missile just hit Corneria. If Corneria gets hit too much, it's game over. Plus, you only have two lives in this game: yourself and whichever teammate you choose. And your shield doesn't refill between levels. You have the ability to return to the mothership at any time to refill your shield, but then that gives time for Andross's forces to get closer. So there's a greater sense of urgency in this game than the original. Feels like the stakes are higher.
But as good as the game is, I have to say I don't think it would have sold well if it was released when it was supposed to. It's too different from the original that it may alienate fans, and part of that's because it takes its new gameplay ideas to the extreme (levels are MUCH shorter to make all-range work well, some familiar Star Fox areas are missing). The idea of tackling areas in any order might be off-putting, not to mention panic at everything happening real-time. The game framerate and graphics are better thanks to the new Super FX 2 chip, but given that Super FX games tacked an extra $10 on the price of the cartridge, I worry if a Super FX 2 chip would have increased it further (I guess not since Yoshi's Island had the same chip, but still, some of us were sensitive to price).
I think Star Fox 64 had the right idea by combining some of the old (corridor levels, clear path of progression) with the new (a few all-range levels, ability to take different paths). Made the Star Fox formula a little more fresh while still making it appealing to the larger crowd (all the hoopla over the Rumble Pak certainly helped).
But then I remember that Star Fox Command is supposedly a lot like Star Fox 2. Well, hey, if you want more of that game, give Star Fox 2 a try.
Do I think it's better than the original Star Fox? No, although it's easy enough for me to complete it at least. I'd like to see a future Star Fox continue to move in the direction of Star Fox 2. What seemed to hold back the game for me is that the levels weren't interesting enough since they had to spread all this stuff around a 3D world (and make it small enough that you wouldn't get lost). Star Fox Assault seemed to solve that problem with detailed all-range levels and beautiful graphics. The individual challenges weren't quite challenging enough either, it just doesn't seem right to fight one Star Wolf member at a time. But then, in a game where you can't somersault or U-turn (or have a teammate that's actually there in the fight with you, meaning you're always by yourself), it's probably a blessing that you aren't tailed by four Star Wolf members at once.
Well darn, Star Fox Assault and Star Fox Command sound pretty good then. Must be high time for me to actually play the games. Walking around on foot absolutely can't be any worse than trying to control the land vehicle in Star Fox 2 (it's not hard, but you can't barrel roll, and you strafe with Control Pad and turn with L/R rather than the other way around).
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Command supposedly took a lot from Star Fox 2 (and the same guy made it) but I didn't like it nearly as much.
I really didn't have complaints with Assault.
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NO! NO! NO! They're even remotely similar!
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? Not even?
Anyway, Cuthbert said that he was trying to take things from Star Fox 2, is all I'm saying. I talked with him.
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He's my natural enemy. I hate him with all my heart.
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Assault is my second favorite SF game, first being 64.
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Yeah, I was thinking about it, Assault is much better.
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64 is obviously more betterer, making it the most bestest.
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Just played through Course 3 of the original Star Fox and just barely made it through. Course 1 took a few years of rentals before I finally had enough skill to pass it. Course 2 was intimidating but eventually it was no problem at all (it was more about knowing what to do to pass the first half of Titania and not shooting at blue stingrays in Sector Y). But I'm not convinced I'll ever find Course 3 easy. What I've concluded is that Sector X and Sector Z are by far the most frustrating levels due to those rotating platforms of doom. You want to intimidate a player, you throw a million criss-crossing moving platforms their way and ask them to somehow fly around all of them without getting hit. Because if you hit one, you're guaranteed to hit three more along the way as you try to adjust. Either that or I'm terrible at dodging those things. Dodging wireframe platforms in Sector Z that nevertheless act solid is even worse. Even though I didn't like those things, I wish Star Fox 64 had them because it really forces you to twist and turn around the screen. SF64 had too many opportunities where you could barrel-roll to make it safely through an area, as opposed to Star Fox whenever it decided to shoot fireballs or cannonballs (the credits say "iron balls", but whatever) at you which must be dodged.
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I finished course 1 in 1 day- yes, 1 day. Course 2 took a week. Yay.
Haven't beaten course 3, haven't tried.
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Before my SNES broke, I had Star Fox. I sucked at it. :( did'nt get too far. The stage 1 music is epic though!
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Oh yeah, I also like Space Armada
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I would have liked Star Fox 2 instead of the 64 version to have been released. I don't hate the 64 version but it just feels so bland compared to the canceled second one for the SNES and I mean the difficulty, graphics and music just feel inadequate. It's almost like they went Action 52 on the 64 version because they released it so fast after canceling the second one.
I have recently redumped the Boss battles in Star Fox and should be up at SNESmusic.org within the next update.