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Glorb

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« Reply #135 on: January 11, 2010, 04:46:30 PM »
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ShadowBrain

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« Reply #136 on: January 12, 2010, 08:11:13 AM »
No, just persistent.
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« Reply #137 on: January 12, 2010, 02:14:19 PM »
Well, I just played Star Fox 2 via a ROM and English patch. And it's awesome.

It has a very different feel from the first game. In this one, everything's in all-range mode (there's a few corridors throughout, but you have the choice to fly through them with your Arwing or transform into a land-based vehicle at will, and you can turn around if you want). There's several threats coming across the galaxy to attack Corneria (missiles, battleships, Star Wolf, etc.), and you get to decide what order to attack them in (or even whether to attack, as there might be a more serious threat that demands your attention). As soon as you start moving on the map screen, everything starts moving, so you need to know where you want to go and act. On top of that, stuff continues to move even while you're on a planet, so you can be trying to take out a boss and then get a message from Pepper during it saying another missile just hit Corneria. If Corneria gets hit too much, it's game over. Plus, you only have two lives in this game: yourself and whichever teammate you choose. And your shield doesn't refill between levels. You have the ability to return to the mothership at any time to refill your shield, but then that gives time for Andross's forces to get closer. So there's a greater sense of urgency in this game than the original. Feels like the stakes are higher.

But as good as the game is, I have to say I don't think it would have sold well if it was released when it was supposed to. It's too different from the original that it may alienate fans, and part of that's because it takes its new gameplay ideas to the extreme (levels are MUCH shorter to make all-range work well, some familiar Star Fox areas are missing). The idea of tackling areas in any order might be off-putting, not to mention panic at everything happening real-time. The game framerate and graphics are better thanks to the new Super FX 2 chip, but given that Super FX games tacked an extra $10 on the price of the cartridge, I worry if a Super FX 2 chip would have increased it further (I guess not since Yoshi's Island had the same chip, but still, some of us were sensitive to price).

I think Star Fox 64 had the right idea by combining some of the old (corridor levels, clear path of progression) with the new (a few all-range levels, ability to take different paths). Made the Star Fox formula a little more fresh while still making it appealing to the larger crowd (all the hoopla over the Rumble Pak certainly helped).

But then I remember that Star Fox Command is supposedly a lot like Star Fox 2. Well, hey, if you want more of that game, give Star Fox 2 a try.


Do I think it's better than the original Star Fox? No, although it's easy enough for me to complete it at least. I'd like to see a future Star Fox continue to move in the direction of Star Fox 2. What seemed to hold back the game for me is that the levels weren't interesting enough since they had to spread all this stuff around a 3D world (and make it small enough that you wouldn't get lost). Star Fox Assault seemed to solve that problem with detailed all-range levels and beautiful graphics. The individual challenges weren't quite challenging enough either, it just doesn't seem right to fight one Star Wolf member at a time. But then, in a game where you can't somersault or U-turn (or have a teammate that's actually there in the fight with you, meaning you're always by yourself), it's probably a blessing that you aren't tailed by four Star Wolf members at once.

Well darn, Star Fox Assault and Star Fox Command sound pretty good then. Must be high time for me to actually play the games. Walking around on foot absolutely can't be any worse than trying to control the land vehicle in Star Fox 2 (it's not hard, but you can't barrel roll, and you strafe with Control Pad and turn with L/R rather than the other way around).
« Last Edit: January 12, 2010, 02:27:28 PM by penguinwizard »
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Chupperson Weird

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« Reply #138 on: January 12, 2010, 06:05:04 PM »
Command supposedly took a lot from Star Fox 2 (and the same guy made it) but I didn't like it nearly as much.
I really didn't have complaints with Assault.
That was a joke.

foxmccloudfan

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« Reply #139 on: January 12, 2010, 06:25:58 PM »
NO! NO! NO! They're even remotely similar!
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Chupperson Weird

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« Reply #140 on: January 12, 2010, 06:35:01 PM »
? Not even?
Anyway, Cuthbert said that he was trying to take things from Star Fox 2, is all I'm saying. I talked with him.
That was a joke.

foxmccloudfan

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« Reply #141 on: January 12, 2010, 06:36:43 PM »
He's my natural enemy. I hate him with all my heart.
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« Reply #142 on: January 12, 2010, 08:06:10 PM »
Assault is my second favorite SF game, first being 64.
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kirbyfan98

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« Reply #143 on: January 12, 2010, 08:47:23 PM »
Yeah, I was thinking about it, Assault is much better.
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foxmccloudfan

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« Reply #144 on: January 12, 2010, 11:21:50 PM »
64 is obviously more betterer, making it the most bestest.
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« Reply #145 on: January 13, 2010, 12:05:33 AM »
Just played through Course 3 of the original Star Fox and just barely made it through. Course 1 took a few years of rentals before I finally had enough skill to pass it. Course 2 was intimidating but eventually it was no problem at all (it was more about knowing what to do to pass the first half of Titania and not shooting at blue stingrays in Sector Y). But I'm not convinced I'll ever find Course 3 easy. What I've concluded is that Sector X and Sector Z are by far the most frustrating levels due to those rotating platforms of doom. You want to intimidate a player, you throw a million criss-crossing moving platforms their way and ask them to somehow fly around all of them without getting hit. Because if you hit one, you're guaranteed to hit three more along the way as you try to adjust. Either that or I'm terrible at dodging those things. Dodging wireframe platforms in Sector Z that nevertheless act solid is even worse. Even though I didn't like those things, I wish Star Fox 64 had them because it really forces you to twist and turn around the screen. SF64 had too many opportunities where you could barrel-roll to make it safely through an area, as opposed to Star Fox whenever it decided to shoot fireballs or cannonballs (the credits say "iron balls", but whatever) at you which must be dodged.
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foxmccloudfan

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« Reply #146 on: January 13, 2010, 12:09:34 AM »
I finished course 1 in 1 day- yes, 1 day. Course 2 took a week. Yay.
Haven't beaten course 3, haven't tried.
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« Reply #147 on: January 13, 2010, 01:26:43 AM »
Before my SNES broke, I had Star Fox. I sucked at it. :( did'nt get too far. The stage 1 music is epic though!

kirbyfan98

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« Reply #148 on: January 15, 2010, 05:30:55 PM »
Oh yeah, I also like Space Armada
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« Reply #149 on: January 15, 2010, 08:07:14 PM »
I would have liked Star Fox 2 instead of the 64 version to have been released. I don't hate the 64 version but it just feels so bland compared to the canceled second one for the SNES and I mean the difficulty, graphics and music just feel inadequate. It's almost like they went Action 52 on the 64 version because they released it so fast after canceling the second one.

I have recently redumped the Boss battles in Star Fox and should be up at SNESmusic.org within the next update.
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