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Video Games => Mario Chat => Topic started by: penguinwizard on May 03, 2001, 09:18:21 PM
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And I'm not talking about Yoshi fan art...
All this time most of us probably thought that all Yoshies were of one gender (male). Others think all Yoshies are part male and part female. But as we know from YI, any Yoshi can lay eggs and throw them.
Anyway, I looked in some Nintendo related stuff and found proof that there isn't one type of Yoshi. I find this odd, since this point kind of goes into what the video games don't cover, and Nintendo has a bad reputation of answering any of these questions with answers that make no sense.
So it's strange how Nintendo somehow answered it for us.
BTW, note how it's actually correct to say Yoshies instead of Yoshis.
My strongest proof that male and female Yoshies exist comes from this statement in the Yoshi's Island Player's Guide:
"Hence the Yoshies decide to use a relay system, figuring that the baby would be best protected by a Yoshi most familiar with the area he or she was crossing."
He or she. That's undeniable proof, even if the guide gets a little goofy with the prelude.
I also noticed how in Yoshi's Story, the Pink Yoshi has the highest pitch voice of all the normal Yoshies. Now that can't be of coincedence.
And my last proof, although this one is questionable, is that in Yoshi's Tropical Island in Mario Party, there's a Blue Yoshi and a Pink Yoshi. Those are odd colors to choose, since they represent boy and girl colors. And if you look closely during the end sequence, there's a difference between the appearance of both the Blue Yoshi and the Pink Yoshi. I can't tell if I'm seeing things, but it looks like the Pink Yoshi has eyelashes. I'll be sure to double-check on that.
Also note how the Pink Yoshi on that game board in Mario Party looks like it has hair or something when you're playing on the board. I still can't tell what it is, but it looks like purple hair.
So tell me what you think, if you think that I have finally solved this issue, or if you have any info that goes against it.
May Yoshi live long and prosper...
Oh, and may PenguinWizard have the same treatment.
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Sounds logical to me. I never really doubted that there were female Yoshies.
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I never doubted the idea either, but a few years back, I met some website based on the then-upcoming Yoshi's Story where the guy asked if there were female Yoshies out there. I know that there's a few other sites that have been debating over this, thinking Yoshi is half and half, and one site thought Yoshies only had one gender.
I'll be sure to reply back as soon as I finish that Yoshi's Tropical Island board on Mario Party sometime later today.
May Yoshi live long and prosper...
Oh, and may PenguinWizard have the same treatment.
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All right, let's assume there are female Yoshies. In Paper Mario, there are 5 different colors of Yoshies (excluding the Village Leader and his advisor). For each color, there is a Yoshi kid and a Yoshi parent. Now, all the kids are obviously boys. Now, the question is: what are the genders of the parents? And where are the other genders? I think that the YI Player's Guide just messed up a little bit and Yoshies are all hermaphodrites. They use 'he' as a pronoun.
--Andrevan
~The Nintendo King~
Andrevan@aol.com
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It's hard to determine what gender a Yoshi would be because they all look the same save for color. And as we know, color doesn't really determine what gender a Yoshi is.
Because I have not got up to the Yoshi island in Paper Mario yet (i don't even own it right now), I wouldn't really know. And I bet all the Yoshi sounds do sound the same.
However, even although Nintendo makes typos (a lot of them for a professional company), they have been suspicious lately. Besides keeping quiet with the GameCube. They always slip in little mystery things here and there, and I think that there's more to it than just coincedences.
As for the hermaphrodite thing, that idea seems very possible. And they have both male and female characteristics (male for the voice, female for the egg laying thing). But the idea that there could be two genders have been hinted at in one way or another a few times.
Anyway, I'm going to start a Mario Party game, set everybody to computer (even at Hard they're losers), then wait an hour for the results. I'll tell you what I end up seeing once it finishes.
May Yoshi live long and prosper...
Oh, and may PenguinWizard have the same treatment.
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Yes, there are female Yoshies. The whole egg-laying thing by male Yoshies is weird, but not completely unexplainable. After all, most Yoshi eggs seem to be refuse, and not for hatching, right?
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Okay, results are in.
Yes, I was wrong. The pink yoshi does not have hair (it was just the lighting), and the pink yoshi does not have eyelashes (it was just that the eye line was thick to make it look like it).
but still, don't you think it's suspicious how in Yoshi's Tropical Island in Mario Party, there's a blue yoshi and a pink yoshi? some odd colors to choose, developers of Mario Party!
yeah, i kind of figured female yoshies existed. but you can't really tell them apart in any way, and it doesn't seem to be much of an issue.
It''s hard to save the world when you''re a penguin in wizard clothing.
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I wondered about the egg-laying thing too, but I think it's like any other egg. Take this example: You have a chicken egg. If you boil it, it won't hatch. If you incubate it, it will hatch! I would think this would be obvious. With the exception of the follow example, and perhaps others (read below), it seems that Yoshies are hermaphrodites.
And about the pink/blue color thing - hasn't anyone noticed Nintendo's inconsistency with storylines and facts from game-to-game? Think about the Zelda series, or the Kirby games! My guess is that Mario Party was one of those infernal storyline inconsistencies. And it was developed by Hudson, after all, not an in-house development group like EAD or NCL.
--Andrevan
~The Nintendo King~
Andrevan@aol.com
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No, I don't believe that the eyelashes are just a lighting illusion, they appear on her in every angle she stands in, and yet not on either of the males. As for the adults on Lavalava island, they are all males (Goombario refers to them all as "he's"), however, the wive (considering that they are decent enough to get married before having children) are off doing errands or having a girls day out or something to that effect, or they are possibly at home (notice how there aren't any houses around for them to live in, not including the Toad House and shop).
As for telling them apart, I can't really think of a way (other than the one in MP) since they have no visible differences.
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Tenchi - I think that it's rather odd that they can be on a perpetual shopping spree! Even at the end of the game, all you see are the kids and their single parents!
--Andrevan
~The Nintendo King~
Andrevan@aol.com
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Tenchi, if there are any Yoshies in Paper Mario that look different from the rest (i.e. like that female Koopaling with the thing on her head), try to find a way so I can see a screenshot of it.
There's just something about seeing Yoshies look different from normal that I just can't bear to miss, probably because it would signal that Nintendo is trying something new with the species (like with the Goombas).
It''s hard to save the world when you''re a penguin in wizard clothing.
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Man its been aloooooong time since Ive been here, well I had a talk with Yoshi about this topic and heres what he had to say:
Yoshi, yoshi yoshi yooooshi, Then he walked off with his girlfriend, a pink yoshi with long eyelashes, and I havent seen him since.
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If that was true, I'd love to shove that in Nintendo's face and have them give a respectable answer instead of their usual "Shy Guy uses velcro" excuses.
I remember one person writing in to Nintendo Power that had a topic on Yoshi. I forget what the topic was about, I think it had something to do with Yoshi being abused by Mario constantly hitting his head to make him lash out his tongue in Super Mario World (at least, that's what it looked like to him).
But Nintendo replied with the stupid response of something along the lines of Editor Note: Yoshi ate the letter.
Now that's a pathetic excuse for one of the most popular companies around, if not the most popular. Well, ok, so IGN used to be even more pathetic, but only because the Matt Cassamina and GameCube Masta jokes were funny.
It''s hard to save the world when you''re a penguin in wizard clothing.
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I'm going to try to dig up some Yoshi pics, and I'll tell you if they look female.
--Andrevan
~The Nintendo King~
Andrevan@aol.com
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Actually, even if they don't look female, be sure to tell me about the websites that have the Yoshi art that you're searching at.
Because I have a thing for Yoshies, I'm not going to pass up any art.
Just don't try looking at Luna's Yoshi Sanctuary or anything, because they obviously have female Yoshi pictures, and that's not what I'm looking for. I'm more in the way of looking for official pictures that look female.
A good place to start is just look for any Pink or White Yoshi pictures.
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Well Yoshi finally came back that night with red lipstick lip marks all over his face. Hmmm I just couldn't bring myself to ask what he had been doing all night.
It''s a me Marionut#1
Edited by - marionut#1 on 5/13/2001 3:08:49 PM
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Looks like everybody has an active imagination.
Anyway, a little off topic here, but it looks like something's going on between Yoshi and Birdo in Mario Tennis. First, they are both teammates (and we know that Birdo is obviously female). Second, just look at those two on the title screen. Looks a little suspicious to me.
We know that this romance thing has been hinted at in the past (like Mario and Princess, which at this rate will never become true romance), but it really looks like Yoshi should be getting some sort of girlfriend real soon.
Probably the only reason Nintendo hasn't gone to that length is because there doesn't seem to be any way it could fit into any game. But there's always a possibility.
Huh, how about that. This topic has become popular. Guess I found a good topic to start out with.
It''s hard to save the world when you''re a penguin in wizard clothing.
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It should probably be noted that Birdo (or Catherine as she is sometimes known) was not originally female. The instruction manual for Super Mario Bros. 2 states that Birdo is a boy who likes to think he's a girl. Her next appearance was in Wario's Woods for the NES, where her name was Catherine. After that, she was Birdo again in Super Mario RPG, and they referred to hear as female. Maybe everyone forgot she used to be a boy, or maybe Nintendo just decided the whole gender-bending thing was inappropriate. Or, hey--maybe Yoshi swings that way.
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Yeah, the gender-bending thing sounds a little complex to make it into any of Nintendo's games, since they usually don't plan out life stories for their enemies and bosses (as for main characters and heroes, just look at Mario: no effort for a life story).
But then again, how could Birdo have been male in SMB2? That wouldn't explain how she's able to shoot eggs from her "proboscis" (in other words, her big beak of a nose). Then again, Japan is known for releasing the weirdest things, like Pokemon and the roots of Hyakugojyuuichi (it won #1 in some Ultimate Time Waster contest, and is #1 on my list for Stupidest Use Of Media), so that's entirely possible.
And think about it. Both Yoshi and Birdo are dinosaurs (or at least they look similar). I also heard somewhere where in tennis matches, doubles teams always consist of one male and one female for each side. Of course, since Nintendo has been neglecting female characters lately (save for the Zelda series), they had to break that rule with Mario Tennis. Oh, but they found room to make Birdo partners with Yoshi, huh?
I even heard a little article on this in a Nintendo magazine, where when it came to trying to pick female teammates for Wario and Waluigi, which never happened, one of the guys joked, "We don't want to see their girlfriends." But of course Birdo and Yoshi became partners.
It''s hard to save the world when you''re a penguin in wizard clothing.
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Okay, I don't remember the details and I won't exactly sound like David Attenborough here but I read this thing about this kind of, like, geckos that are all part male and part female. Some are more male than female, and some are more female than male.
I was just thinking maybe Yoshis are like that. I mean, Yoshi (THE Yoshi) is supposed to be a guy but he lays eggs.
Nintendo has probably never thought of this 'cause the fans are more concerned with that sort of arcana (like what Yoshi is and where the Koopa Kids came from and why Princess Toadstool isn't a mushroom person) than the people responsible for the games and shows.
Lee "Mega 2" Sherman
Sneaky Lying Cheating Giant Ninja Koopa
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Yoshies seem like frogs.Long tongues,high jumps,lay eggs and have a extremely short tail.
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This again asks the question of just what Yoshi is. I think it's now safe to assume that Yoshi is a cross between a dinosaur and a frog, since he has the appearance of a dinosaur and features of a frog.
As for why Princess isn't a mushroom person, it's pretty easy to see why. In the first SMB, don't you think it would be weird for Mario to be rescuing a mushroom?
Of course, it had to be a Princess. And since "damsels" (and heroes) tend to come from strange places, this kind of thing happens often. So there is no reason why Princess should be a mushroom person.
It''s hard to save the world when you''re a penguin in wizard clothing.
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I listed those things because they're the subjects of much debate among "Mario" fans.
NESters like us will fill in the holes the creators left but no answer is really true until it shows up in an actual release, and 90% of the time the people at Nintendo hadn't thought about it. They're concerned with making games, not a comprehensive and consistent universe.
Yoshi resembles a dinosaur and frog and gecko but really isn't any. The Yoshis live in a paralell universe isolated from our own and are thus of a completely separate genetic lineage from any life on Earth. Any resemblance to animals living in our world is simple convergent evolution. : )
Lee "Mega 2" Sherman
Sneaky Lying Cheating Giant Ninja Koopa
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You said it, Mega 2.
Now if I could understand what you said...
(it's a joke)
It''s hard to save the world when you''re a penguin in wizard clothing.
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I suggest you to look up to:
http://www.smbhq.com/rant61.htm
All you want to know about Yoshi
Only someone will remain as the true Nintendo mascot. That someone is Mario. Go, Mario, Go!
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I asked Yoshi about the whole Birdo thing in Mario Tennis and he grabed me with his tongue and hurled me in the air until I got air sick.
It''s a me Marionut#1
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You've really got to stop bothering Yoshi, Marionut ;)
To be a Koopa, you must become a Koopa.
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I feel that yoshies are of both ***s the reason is a simple one, Hermaphrodites can't breed with themselves it is not possible, but also if you look at it reptiles are mostly A-***ual, ie godzilla. But for the only real answer ask nintendo
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oh ya did i forget to include an important piece of info about me? Some time in March I happened to stumble upon a warp pipe in my back yard. Of course I thought it was a joke by a friend of mine i went along with it and jumped in. Hours latter I came to with a bunch of yoshies of every color from Yoshi's Story and Purple. Well I was taken in as a guest and since have learned ALOT of the Yoshi language,their habitate,etc,etc But while I'm stuck here( the warp pipe disappeared back into the ground as soon as i emerged so the Yoshies say) I might as well benifit from it (as a Mario fan should).
The yoshies gave me this lap top computer I'm typing this on. You guys sure don't know what your missing out on. The heart fruit tastes GREAT!!!! And the Super Happy Tree seems to make everybody happy.
It''s a me Marionut#1
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Well... both gender yoshi(s) do exist... So you want proof huh? Well... In the game Paper Mario, lethal lava island there are kid yoshi(s) so there must be a female yoshi!
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If Yoshis male and he lays eggs it must hurt a bit.
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I believe that there are female yoshies....
and if there aren't, then I've wasted alot of time drawing them. o.o
I used to go to Luna's Yoshi sanctuary all the time, too.
~*Christi, the little blue kitty*~