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Video Games => Mario Chat => Topic started by: Tv_Themes on October 03, 2008, 11:15:23 AM
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When M&L:SS was announced, the synopsis made it sound like Bowser was going to be your ally but as it all turned out, Bowser was once again the main bad guy (though that time, it was beyond his will).
One of the main reasons I love SMRPG so much is the alliance you form with Bowser and not once does he betray you after joining. Sure he didn't join to help Mario and only joined for his benefit but he remained a good guy until Smithy was defeated. Why can't there ever be a game with such situation?
Bowser appears to be fighting the bad guys in M&L3, will he join forces with Mario & Luigi? Or is he just having his own side-story like PM:TTYD where he will eventually and ultimately be the final battle in the game?
I don't know about you, but I want to see Bowser as a good guy again. Wario reformed (seemingly permanently, even though I severely hate that factory of his) why can't Bowser?
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Wario reformed
Shake It!?
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Yes, I would love to play as Bowser. I really like Super Mario Bros. 2 because one could play as Toad and the Princess. I think Bowser is a fun addition to any Party!
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Bowser's cool, but I'm not sure if I'd want to play as him. Didn't play as him in Smash Bros. Melee/Brawl because of his lack of speed, keep thinking his size and slowness will put him at a disadvantage. On the other hand, he's very strong, so that worked out in SMRPG when a lack of speed wasn't as much of an issue (or even that noticeable). As for Mario Kart 64, I've never played as a heavyweight, so Bowser's out. ...heavyweight... why don't we have a Mario boxing game yet?
It was probably that darn Super Mario World Western Show video, but Mario and Bowser seem like a classic pair when fighting eachother (be it a life or death situation or just fighting over who gets Peach). Just seems more right for them to be villains. And it's that situation where you don't really want to see either of the two die permanently. While having Bowser at my side is great, maybe that's been diluted by how he's been goaded into being your ally in other games, including the Mario sports games.
But Bowser starring in his own game, sure, why not. There was a game featuring Peach, which blows my mind, why not Bowser.
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Bowser was a main protagonist in Super Paper Mario, so at least there's something besides RPG. The new M&L3 info with fighting on the same side as Bowser seems interesting as well.
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Shake It!?
I mean he's no longer an enemy of Mario. I mean, why would Mario invite an enemy to the Mario Party and let him join in the adventure of Super Mario 64 DS?
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I like playing as Bowser, and playing him in a Mario and Luigi game sounds fun. How come Wario and Donkey Kong never appear in a Mario RPG? Besides maybe a few cameos?
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The thing is, can Wario even really be considered a protagonist? Maybe a lesser of two evils. The fact that he victimizes those that victimize others doesn't make him a hero--his motivation is purely financial gain. I can easily see Bowser losing his castle to an upstart villain, and having to flame-broil keister to reclaim it. And him being slow is the lamest excuse to dismiss this whole thing.
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Again? Well, he never really was in the first place. Playable main character maybe (and I figure that's what you meant), but never the leading man... er, Koopa.
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Why can't there ever be a game with such situation?
There was. Super Mario RPG.
Wario reformed
The cool thing about Wario is that he really is Mario's antithesis. Mario will do darned near anything to do one thing: protect his woman. He has a good sense of justice and frequently deals with evil. Wario, on the other hand, will do darned near anything to get his grubby gloves on his true love: money. He has no sense of right and wrong and may help or hurt others, but it doesn't matter to him as long as he gets rich. He was never evil. Just greedy.
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it just wouldn't go with the rest of the games.
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I think it should stick to the traditional "bowsers the bad guy". It just wouldn't be right with a bunch of games with bowser as an allie. Though one or two third party Mario games would be ok I guess.
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Bowser needs his own game at this point. A game involving lots of destruction and conquering.
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Bowser's game could be a real time strategy!
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Bowser needs his own game at this point. A game involving lots of destruction and conquering.
If they made a game like that it would be too similar to the game 'Shadow the Hedgehog'.
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Where did I say the game would have guns, swearing, and ethic stereotype aliens? Better yet, how would giving Bowser his own game automatically require it to be like Shadow the Hedgehog? Logic?
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'cause Bowser's moody, uninteresting and consumed with his convoluted past. duh.
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Yeah, I guess I forgot about how he was created as part of a government experiment and fell in love with his creator's grandaughter who ended up dying before he was locked away and such.
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fell in love with his creator's grandaughter who ended up
He didn't "fall" in love with her. He loved her like a son would love his mother. Because she was the only one who took care of him.
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(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhome.insightbb.com%2F%7Efreethinker%2Frly.JPG&hash=edcd3e003432027361893d47f06b893b)
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He didn't "fall" in love with her. He loved her like a son would love his mother. Because she was the only one who took care of him.
I love how they expected everyone to take that seriously when it involved an angry anthropomorphic hedgehog.
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I like that part in the anime where Shadow beats on some kid for no apparent reason, and the kid keeps coming back for more. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Narm)
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Bowser should be the main bad guy again, unless either Wart of Tangata make another appearance.
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If I had to choose between Wart and Bowser making a comeback(?), I'd go with Wart, really (Tatanga... eh).
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"I'll keep a machine that spews vegetable--of which I am allergic to--in the center of the room while I stand on this platform, spitting bubbles from my gaping maw. Brilliant! Bwa-ha-ha-ha"
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There's probably something on that TV Tropes website that describes the tendency for bosses to always make their weak points obvious (and convenient for the hero to exploit), as well as not sending their strongest troops out in the first level.
Speaking of which, I have to wonder if any citizens of the Mushroom Kingdom think Goombas or Koopa Troopas are actually threatening. Haven't they seen Mario enough times to know what to do?
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"I'll keep a machine that spews vegetable--of which I am allergic to--in the center of the room while I stand on this platform, spitting bubbles from my gaping maw. Brilliant! Bwa-ha-ha-ha"
The machine is what he used to make all his minions and landscapes. The vegetables came with the territory.
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penguinwizard, no one else in the Mushroom Kingdom knows how to jump.
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I like Bowser being the bad guy. It's always been in his character, and when he does join forces with Mario, it's for his own selfish reasons.
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Speaking of which, I have to wonder if any citizens of the Mushroom Kingdom think Goombas or Koopa Troopas are actually threatening. Haven't they seen Mario enough times to know what to do?
They don't anymore. Said Goombas and Koopa Troopa don't even work for Bowser anymore. A considerable amount of them, anyway.
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Bowser... is sort of good, but yeah, he's evil. I remember in Mario Party 2, when you beat the game, Bowser is given credit for acting the bad guy, so I thought he was gonna be good for now on, but it turns out he's still bad (and wants Peach)