IN DEFENSE OF NINTENDO GAMECUBE
You've probably seen the arguments raging on Internet chats and bulletin boards about which console is the best or what game is the hottest. Some misguided gamers think the Nintendo GameCube is a toy for tots. On the contrary: Players of all ages revere Nintendo games, and some of the best Mature-rated games are exclusive to GCN. At Nintendo Power, we think it's a tragedy when gamers turn away from pure gaming excellence because they're afraid of what someone might say. The next time a deluded gaming guru tells you that the GCN is lame, refer him or her to Nintendo Power's...
Top 10 Reasons GCN beats the pants off PS2 and Xbox!
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The handle. Okay, so it's a little goofy, but imagine trying to take an Xbox with you to a friend's house or on vacation. You would need an industrial crane and a parking permit.
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It only plays games. That's right. Anyone who tells you that playing DVDs on a game console is a benefit has never had someone monopolize the machine for hours playing Meg Ryan movies while the rental game you have to return in three hours gathers dust.
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It's more powerful than PS2. PS2 has slower processors and its graphics are noticeably inferior to the GCN's. Sorry—there's nothing very funny about that.
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Gone platinum. The Platinum GCN is a work of art, shiny and sophisticated. PS2 and Xbox look like every other piece of electronics hardware created in the past 20 years, and dust really shows up on those black casings.
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Controller design. The PS2 Controller has way too many buttons, and the Xbox Controller was designed for a giant or an octopus. Ah, but the GCN Controller is elegant and practical—and extension of the human spirit; an epiphany in plastic; the ultimate interface between mind, body and technology.
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Experience. Nintendo has consistently produced the highest quality video games for more than two decades dating back to Donkey Kong. You can bet that Nintendo will continue to do so in the future. Twenty years ago, Sony was making Betamax tape machines and Microsoft hadn't even come up with Windows. What will they be doing tomorrow?
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The incredible freedom of the WaveBird Controller. Your can even play from the bathroom. Let freedom ring!
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Game Boy Player. More than a hundred million people have Game Boys, and we suspect that most of them own a game or two. With the Game Boy Player, all those millions of deserving gamers will be able to play their games on Nintendo GameCube as well as on their Game Boys.
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Connectivity. Sony and Microsoft can't do it because they don't have Game Boy. They have robotic dogs and word processors. Let's face it, they're not really game companies. But Nintendo does only games, which is why Nintendo innovates ways to play—linking consoles, swiping cards, visiting villages filled with animals and sailing the high seas in a talking boat.
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Exclusivity. The GCN offers The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker, Metroid Prime, Resident Evil Zero, Super Mario Sunshine, Eternal Darkness, Animal Crossing, Star Fox Adventures, Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles, Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes, Mario Kart, Metroid 2, Star Wars: Rogue Squadron III: Rebel Strike, Pikmin II, Resident Evil 4 and Soul Calibur II as Link. (That's 15 exclusive reasons GCN reigns supreme.) Try naming 15 exclusive hit PS2 titles. As for Xbox, you can count the number of exclusive hit titles for it on one finger.
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Edited by - Why are you highlighting? on 7/13/2003 10:49:22 PM
Hear, hear!
“I’m a stupid fatty and I love to play with my Easy Bake oven!â€
Hear, hear!
“I’m a stupid fatty and I love to play with my Easy Bake oven!â€
Yay! Watoad's FINALLY back!!! Wow, I didn't know you've NEVER posted in GMc! Anyway, please stay. :)
I'm glad someone finally posted that. I almost did, but then decided not too. (Mainly due to laziness... XD)
All I can say is... Put that in your shorts (yes, shorts) and smoke it, LOSER SYSTEMS. In the words of my brother..."You got told!" Speaking of him...I forgot to share that beautiful little list with him... He's a PS2 loyalist...sort of...he'll play GCN, but prefers PS2...
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PS2 is the best console, and plus most of those 15 "hits" aren't even hits. You suck at this stuff leave the forums now or do I have to get Deezer to beat you down?
I''m the master of Mario and Pokémon!
Uh, they all look like hits to me. *scratches head*
And didn't you just violate about 4 forum rules, O great marioguy?
“I’m a stupid fatty and I love to play with my Easy Bake oven!â€
Uhh huh... Then give *US* 10 reasons why PS2 is better.
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Deep inside us all is a little green elf telling us to burn things.
Yes, marioguy, why on EARTH would Deezer support YOU?
1) He banned you. 2) Watoad did nothing wrong. 3) Think of how many people LIKE Watoad and how many people DON'T like you. (Not insulting you, just pointing it out.) 4) Deezer'd probably agree that GCN's better, anyway.
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*giggles like a schoolgirl* Whoops.
“I’m a stupid fatty and I love to play with my Easy Bake oven!â€
...? Uh...okay... ...?
Is this better? *guffaws like a lumberjack*
“I’m a stupid fatty and I love to play with my Easy Bake oven!â€
lol. No, I was wondering WHY you were laughing...
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Let's try and keep this mature, people.
Thank you, Watoad, for posting this, and stick around. ;D
I had always applauded Nintendo's ability to remain tactful, and un-insulting to the other companies, while they often received flak from the said others. However, this article really shows me something. Nintendo Power surely isn't the same magazine I used to read to find the scoop on Mega Man III, that's for sure.
"10. The handle. Okay, so it's a little goofy, but imagine trying to take an Xbox with you to a friend's house or on vacation. You would need an industrial crane and a parking permit."
Hah. Funny. Seriously though, for a company who harps so much on gaming, what does a handle have to do with making a better system? What do the looks matter? Maybe it should be 9 Reasons...
"9. It only plays games. That's right. Anyone who tells you that playing DVDs on a game console is a benefit has never had someone monopolize the machine for hours playing Meg Ryan movies while the rental game you have to return in three hours gathers dust."
While I do believe the DVD player is an un-needed accessory, I hardly believe it takes away from the system's worth. Especially for the reason they gave. The DVD function is simple an added bonus, I have no idea why people complain about such things when it doesn't hurt the gamming experience at all.
"8. It's more powerful than PS2. PS2 has slower processors and its graphics are noticeably inferior to the GCN's. Sorry—there's nothing very funny about that."
Yeah? Did you know the PSX is more powerful than a Super Nintendo?
The GameCube came out a year later, of course it will be more powerful. Besides, what do graphics matter, anyway?
And I failed to see mention of the X-Box. If I've read correctly, the GCN has an inferior processor. Of course, that isn't in there, no sir.
"7. Gone platinum. The Platinum GCN is a work of art, shiny and sophisticated. PS2 and Xbox look like every other piece of electronics hardware created in the past 20 years, and dust really shows up on those black casings."
Really now. Of all things to come up with...
Once more, what do the looks of the system matter? This is hardly a reason worthy of "beating the pants off of either system."
Please.
"6. Controller design. The PS2 Controller has way too many buttons, and the Xbox Controller was designed for a giant or an octopus. Ah, but the GCN Controller is elegant and practical—and extension of the human spirit; an epiphany in plastic; the ultimate interface between mind, body and technology."
Ah yes, the perfect GCN controller, how we love thee. Honestly know, have you ever tried to play a serious Fighter with the GCN controller? The Control Stick lacks the precision necessary to execute the moves. The D-pad, being small and placed in an awkward position doesn't offer a good solution. While, I do like it, I find it not quite as well as they've said.
To be honest, I like the PS2 controller just as much as the GCN. While I will agree, the X-Box controller is not so well designed.
"5. Experience. Nintendo has consistently produced the highest quality video games for more than two decades dating back to Donkey Kong. You can bet that Nintendo will continue to do so in the future. Twenty years ago, Sony was making Betamax tape machines and Microsoft hadn't even come up with Windows. What will they be doing tomorrow?"
I agree, experience is a good thing. However, what the other companies did in the past is not nearly as important as to what they're doing now. Both companies are doing a fine job producing a quality gaming experience. If Sony is able to rival Nintendo's strangle hold on this industry, it seems they're doing something right.
"4. The incredible freedom of the WaveBird Controller. Your can even play from the bathroom. Let freedom ring!"
While it is a perk, I see no difference from having DVD support. This pertains little to the system itself, and thus I find it irrelevant.
"3. Game Boy Player. More than a hundred million people have Game Boys, and we suspect that most of them own a game or two. With the Game Boy Player, all those millions of deserving gamers will be able to play their games on Nintendo GameCube as well as on their Game Boys."
As I said before, it is a nice perk. However, it isn't applicable to everyone. The Game Boy Player means little to those without Game Boy games. I see this more as a marketing strategy, more than anything else.
"2. Connectivity. Sony and Microsoft can't do it because they don't have Game Boy. They have robotic dogs and word processors. Let's face it, they're not really game companies. But Nintendo does only games, which is why Nintendo innovates ways to play—linking consoles, swiping cards, visiting villages filled with animals and sailing the high seas in a talking boat. "
Now, I will say, Nintendo is by far the most innovative company of the three. No argument there. However, the "Innovations" they've listed have always seemed more to me as an extra way to get you to buy more accessories. Such as these Swiping Cards. You need to buy the E-reader thing, then buy packs of cards to your satisfaction. It doesn't seem they treat their fans as well as they'd like this to sound.
What is that? It's good marketing, you say? That's true, it is good marketing. However, good marketing has little to do with the System, and so I find no place for it here.
Innovation, yes, Nintendo is good at that.
"1. Exclusivity. The GCN offers The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker, Metroid Prime, Resident Evil Zero, Super Mario Sunshine, Eternal Darkness, Animal Crossing, Star Fox Adventures, Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles, Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes, Mario Kart, Metroid 2, Star Wars: Rogue Squadron III: Rebel Strike, Pikmin II, Resident Evil 4 and Soul Calibur II as Link. (That's 15 exclusive reasons GCN reigns supreme.) Try naming 15 exclusive hit PS2 titles. As for Xbox, you can count the number of exclusive hit titles for it on one finger. "
Another fine point. However, it's funny they can call games that haven't been released yet hits. Let's see: Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles, Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes, Mario Kart, Metroid 2, Star Wars: Rogue Squadron III: Rebel Strike, Pikmin II, Resident Evil 4 and Soul Calibur II as Link.
None of those have been released yet. While they are exclusive to Nintendo, I'd hardly say that means anything.
Playstation 2 Exclusives:
Final Fantasy X Final Fantasy X-2 Final Fantasy XII Kingdom Hearts Breath of Fire V Soul Calibur II as Heiachi .Hack//Sign Infection .Hack//Sign Mutation Suikoden III Sly Cooper Guilty Gear X Guilty Gear X2 Xenosaga Shinobi Devil May Cry II
There's 16. I'd like to see those on another system. I really would.
However, Nintendo does have some exclusive games that are basically making the company, in my book. The Legend of Zelda and Super Mario franchises are, in my opinion, are what are keeping Nintendo afloat.
However, keep in mind, I prefer the GCN over any of the other systems. I've been a Nintendo fan for a long time now, but I honestly find that article a waste of time to read. Thanks, Nintendo Power.
Ah well, I'm interested in your opinions.
I figure that while the article is a bit cheezy, Nintendo's getting beaten in the slammage department, and perhaps thought they should slam back. I mean, they could be polite forever like they have been, but chances are they'd just lose more "respect" from "mature" gamers. If it helps to be more aggressive, then I'm all for it, even if it comes off a bit ludicrous.
Umm... yes, Watoad has posted in General Mario chat before, but this was the first topic he posted here.
Marioguy, don't you know that those were posted in Nintendo Power and poor Watoad didn't make them up? Now you go and apologize for being just like your old self. :-D
Edited by - Chupperson Weird on 7/11/2003 10:20:39 PM
Finally I find someone who doesn't like PS2 as much as they don't like X-Box.
"I am not going on a diet!"
Sorry 4 replying to an old topic... Black Mage, when u first picked up a PS2 controller, didn't u find it hard to controll? Almost every system uses the standard ABXY. Wasn't the switch 2 shapes from letters (or numbers) unconfortable at first? Or the 2 L&R buttons or anlog sticks also unconfortable?
"I go to many oversea places, like Canada."- Britany Spears
Yeah, I'd say I prefer GC to Play-With-Yourself-Station 2 and Bleech-Box. Mainly because I grew up playing Nintendo, and it has, in my opinion, the best games. While Black Mage DID list 16 exclusive PS2 titles, most of those were RPGs, and I don't care much for RPGs. Except for a few. Like Mario RPG. That game was fun. I just beat it today, by the way. Oh yeah, back to what I was saying...
Basically, these are the only PS2 titles I have a remote intrest of playing: Mega Man X7 Kingdom Hearts Shinobi Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
As for X-Box, the only one that seems mildly appealing is Halo, but I played it at some kid's house and it really isn't that fun.
"I figure that while the article is a bit cheezy, Nintendo's getting beaten in the slammage department, and perhaps thought they should slam back. I mean, they could be polite forever like they have been, but chances are they'd just lose more "respect" from "mature" gamers. If it helps to be more aggressive, then I'm all for it, even if it comes off a bit ludicrous. "
I'm all for aggressiveness. However, to push aside your morals to do it, is something I'm not for. Nintendo has always been good about it's conduct. Even if they did lose respect from some "mature" gamers, they sure could gain some from other "mature" gamers. If a person is to dislike a system because someone else said so, then they shouldn't be playing it anyways.
"Black Mage, when u first picked up a PS2 controller, didn't u find it hard to controll? Almost every system uses the standard ABXY. Wasn't the switch 2 shapes from letters (or numbers) unconfortable at first? Or the 2 L&R buttons or anlog sticks also unconfortable?"
Why, yes, I did find it quite the adjustment when it was first released. Yet, that was when it was first released. After a short time, it becomes second nature.
My point about the GCN controller was that it wasn't perfect. Yes, if you use that D-pad, you become accustomed to that as well, however, all I was saying was that it wasn't as perfect as that article had made it seem.
The PSX controller has too many buttons? Pfft. I remember thinking that when the SNES controller came out.
About the ABXY setup, I can give you another example of a change. Don't you remember when controllers only had a D-Pad? The N64 brought the Control Stick into light, and forced the D-pad to play second fiddle. You see, just because it's different, doesn't make it bad.
Edited by - Black Mage on 7/12/2003 8:17:47 PM
"If a person is to dislike a system because someone else said so, then they shouldn't be playing it anyways." I quite agree, but that seems to be the main reason people are playing PS2 and not GCN these days.
the PS2 was a very long waited for system, my uncle had one pre-ordered months before they came out, so did almost every one else I know. But I dont know a single person besides me who couldnt wait for the GCN. or the x- box realy eather. and people just dont give up sayn things like your gamecube games are stupid, can I play your playstation? or can I play your computer instead? any time I get a game for the GCN that i think is cool, I would tell one of my friends about it and they dont even care, to them its just another stupid game cube game, I am playin SSBM and they are playin some wierd base ball game that doesnt look good at all, and I watch them rise there heads up, because there playin the almighty PS2! its just somethin we gotta deal with some times. but the facts right there are very good evidence that the game cube isnt all that bad, its actualy pretty good... but most of those PS2ers will never understand that.
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"Cake sniffing orphans in the orphans shack!"
Edited by - Wheel_kirby on 7/13/2003 1:26:10 PM
I remember when I told a "PS2er" that if it weren't for Nintendo, there wouldn't be such a thing as a PS2. But he kept on denying it. They just can't take that fact. And am I the only one who thinks it's uncreative that all their systems (released and announced, including in japan) have the word "Playstation" in it! And they didn't even think of that name!
"I go to many oversea places, like Canada."- Britany Spears
Nintendo is the ultimate company in the end, and always will be!
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"Cake sniffing orphans in the orphans shack!"
"Cake sniffing orphans in the orphans shack!"
I really don't care. Numbers of sales don't matter to me, as long as I get games I like screw everyone else. I also choose friends that aren't mentally handicapped and like Nintendo.
I think I've read all that stuff before...
But who cares!!
I simply just love the GameCube, and any other product from Nintendo!!
THEY RULE!!
I am a pure Super Mario lover!!
...and in no point in the future will he ever be abandonded by me!
I will even drawn the best Super Mario comics ever to exist!!
Scratch that. I can't even make sense of it. Well, I can. It's just that it's awfully hard to word.
"There are no such things as stupid questions, just stupid people."
Edited by - Nameneko on 4/4/2004 11:24:16 AM
"Try finding a Super Smash Bros with PS2 characters or XBox characters."
You're attacking the Straw Man. It's well known that Nintendo has superior original characters, as well as first-party games.
However, it's also well known that the PS2 has superior third-party support. So, I'm not sure exactly what you were trying to prove. Nintendo cares more for its audience? Perhaps, but how one could look at that is relative.
I could view Nintendo's reluctance to venture into the Online console market as one of two things: that they don't want to get their customers drawn into an unestablished, contemporary market, or that they're holding out on their consumers on what promises to be "the future of gaming."
As I said, such things are just a matter of perception, and opinion. I do believe that any argument that can be created will be moot.
Why do people keep reviving ancient topics...
______________________________ If it is black and white and smells awful, I assure you it''s adorable.
If they have something worthwhile to say, then I have no problem with it.
However, when someone revives a topic just to say "OMG!1! GAMCUBE IS TEH GREATEST !!1!11" it's better left unsaid.
Of course, I'm not saying that's the case with this particular topic.
but gamcube IS teh greatest!!!!111one111! ;_;
“I’m a stupid fatty and I love to play with my Easy Bake oven.â€
cause we all know Xbox owners pleasure themselves to DOA:VB and PS2 owners are secretlygay but try to cover it up by playing GTA
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "you know what I''m doing right now? Giving you the finger." "John,I''m poor, I''m Blind, and I run a newstand in the back of a coffee shop. God gave me the finger way before you ever did." ~ Becker & Jake in a conversation
Point and case.
I wish my point hadn't caused that case.
“I’m a stupid fatty and I love to play with my Easy Bake oven.â€
hey, saphirra, I can tell you that gamecube has more trademark than PS2. PS2 has more TM than Xbox. so G-Cube beats both. Super Smash Bros Melee, (I think he didd'nt say) Metroid Prime Mario Golf Toadstool tour.ETC. G-Cube WINS!
I have a PS2, PS1, N64, NGC, GB, GBC, GBA. I like nintendo better. They have better games. No question on that. If you name some more TM for PS2, I'll just name more for G-Cube.
I think we can all agree that, coming from humble beginnings and spawning off from the time when "Pong" was a big hit and "Jumpman Jr." was the raddest computer game on my block... Nintendo has come an awful long way. They have a lot to show. The GameCube runs more smoothly than any of my other systems.
Let's look at this:
I have a console adaptor and a screen in my car. The PlayStation 2 runs for an hour or so and then trips itself and resets.
The GameCube can go and go and hardly "breaks a sweat;" never once has it reset, frozen, or told me that a brand new game was "dirty."
Honestly, the GCN is more user-friendly. And while they don't have as many games being pumped out by supportive companies, the games they do make are all pretty much high-quality.
I think we've all heard the old saying, "Quality over quantity."
The colors are rather charming--stale black on black with blue or green mixed in is just really more of a turn off.
Anyone can play a GameCube game without much worry. When I was 10 my older friend rented Resident Evil, and my mother took it away and put it up on the refridgerator where I couldn't get it.
So I played my N64 instead, and things were happy and gay. (Er... I don't know if it was THAT cut and paste).
Everyone knows Mario. When I went to France, there were occasional small video game outlets dotted throughout Paris: know whose face I saw most often? Mario's. Link came in second, Samus here and there, too.
Nintendo has a considerable amount of popular mascots, who've had a good series. All my friends and even those who have graduated and gone to college all played Mario, loved StarFox 64, know who Yoshi is, hate Kirby (but know him), know Donkey Kong, and naturally, Pokemon gets a lot of attention (both positive and negative attention.)
It's all personal choice, though. What do any of us care to argue people over to Nintendo's side? Let the games and the company do the talking for themselves. I think Time will show who comes out on top, when Nintendo is working hard on games that a whole lot of people around the world are anticipating, and Sony is mass-producing a cheap, planned-obsolescence Stereo system.
For those who love to game, the GameCube and other Nintendo products are the way to go.
For the college student who wants to stay up and occasionally play games with roommates, who isn't smart enough to invest in the virtual infinite replay value of games in the Mario Party, Mario Golf, Mario Tennis, and Mario Kart series... PS2 and X-Box are more likely to be played.
I think Nintendo can argue well enough for themselves by standing on silently under attack, brushing off an ignorant gamer's insults with one hand and handing to us the Time-enduring, soul-captivating products they've always produced with the other.
The Final Fantasy series and the GTA series are all PS2 really has. And Final Fantasy, the "dream," per se, began on Nintendo.
After two days of driving around and shooting and grabbing up white packages and dealing with large Italian men... GTA gets old. That's why people rent that one, and buy Mario Kart: Double Dash!! Trust me on this, I have a lot of gaming friends (between the ages of 13 and 20).
"And for those about to game... I salute you."
Sorry if I revived a dead topic.
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Edited by - Super Mario on 5/22/2004 7:55:14 AM
BM, you love to defend the other systems, eh?
Yes, whoever said that the top 16 PS2 games were RPGs were right. If you take out the RPGs, then you have what, 4 or 5 games?
The PS2 controller was way too complicated. They steal the SNES controller then turn it into a computer. SIX trigger buttons? PLEASE! Who needs R1, R2, R3, L1, L2, and then L3?! Then you have two controller sticks placed at the bottom where a normal length thumb would be uncomfortable, then a poorly built D-Pad (sticks too much on all controllers) where your primary control stick should be. Then they put shapes on the buttons to cover up stealing A, B, X, and Y.
The combonations on the PS2 are too infinite as proves in Tekken Tag Tournament. Dude, a high kick to some other dumb move would be like "Circle, Circle, Down-Right, Left, Triangle, L1, R2, L1, R3, Square, L3, Right, Left, Up, Down Triangle, Triangle, Triangle, X, X, X." A strong punch would be (for real), "Down-Right, Up-Right, Circle, Triangle, Circle, Triangle, Circle, Triangle, Circle, Triangle, Circle."
Yes, the PS2 adds all the un-neccesary crap like DVD players to cover up the suckiness of the games, I believe. Hahhahaha, suckiness; I like that word.
Yeah, the PS2 wouldn't be here without Nintendo because PS2 were allies until Nintendo didn't celebrate some gay tradition, so they split up and Sony makes their own crappy system as I've stated before.
Mr. Wiggles, that was one of the funniest things I've heard at these forums for quite a while. "PS2ers are gay, but cover it up by playing GTA." HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I would agree with you and it rhymes!!!!!!! Although, hey, it's just the "HARDCORE" PS2ers that are gay.
Markio, the statement you made was equally funny and bashing: "Play-With-Yourself-Station..." HAHAHAH, I couldn't help but laugh while typing the quote!
lugifan, are you saying they need more Trainman in there games? I concur with you 100% on that. They would only put me in a game on a bike. They would notice me if I had that sponsor, too!
As Mario says: "Stay in school, don't do drugs, and eat lots of pasta. Or maybe not... just hang around that Shoryumoto guy enough, and maybe he'll work you into a few games."
(I had forgotten to copy/paste the first sentence, so I typed it, obviously. Sad how I can remember that. Or maybe not...
"If you were mad at me, but really weren''''t, what would you say; no or no?" ~Cosmo, Fairly-Odd Parents +--Support our troops.--+
luigifan spelled Sapphira wrong. WHY DOES EVERYONE HAVE TROUBLE SPELLING SAPPHIRA? It's really easy to spell. Just spell sapphire and change the e to an a.
("o0o") My metroid thinks you are stupid. People who ....v...v disagree with metroids often get sucked dry.<•>_<•>
Reviving topics with coherent messages is fine. It's the all too common "Sony and Microsoft suck", without any reasoning as to why, are what is unwelcome.
"I have a console adaptor and a screen in my car. The PlayStation 2 runs for an hour or so and then trips itself and resets.
The GameCube can go and go and hardly 'breaks a sweat;' never once has it reset, frozen, or told me that a brand new game was 'dirty.'"
Drawing information from your experiences is fine, however, you must realize that it will not hold up in an argument.
I, too, have a console adapter in a vehicle, and have used both my GCN and PS2, and to be honest, I have had no trouble with either. In fact, a friend played the PS2 almost straight, during the 9 hour trip to Baltimore, last summer. I have not seen, nor heard of any trouble with the PS2 in this regard.
"Honestly, the GCN is more user-friendly."
More user friendly. I wouldn't agree with this. Mostly because the term is relative. Both systems operate in a similar manner, leaving little leeway for one to be better for electronic novices.
"And while they don't have as many games being pumped out by supportive companies, the games they do make are all pretty much high-quality."
I do agree. Nintendo has quite the reputation for its first party games, where as neither Sony or Microsoft has been successful with this. Unfortunately, that's where it ends for Nintendo. Granted, things seemed to look up a bit, with the release of the Cube, but lately I've noticed little 3rd party support. After Tales of Symphonia, or Resident Evil 4, I am unable to think of a big name game being developed that's 3rd party.
So, where Sony and Microsoft lose in 1st party games, they more than make up for it in 3rd party support.
"I think we've all heard the old saying, 'Quality over quantity.'"
Indeed we have. However, the Cube is not lacking in its share of "low-end" games, either. Of course, with more 3rd party support, there will be more of these said games, but that's what happens.
I would say that argument would be valid, if you were forced to purchase every game for the system you chose, but you aren't, so if there's a bad game, you simply don't buy it.
"The colors are rather charming--stale black on black with blue or green mixed in is just really more of a turn off."
If you're going to judge a system by it's looks, than you really have no right to make the argument concerning the extra DVD-features and etc. being a bad thing. If you're hung up on colors as opposed to the gaming experience, I don't see where having a DVD player would matter.
"Anyone can play a GameCube game without much worry. When I was 10 my older friend rented Resident Evil, and my mother took it away and put it up on the refridgerator where I couldn't get it."
Resident Evil is also available on the GameCube. I don't see the relevance of your comment.
"Nintendo has a considerable amount of popular mascots, who've had a good series. All my friends and even those who have graduated and gone to college all played Mario, loved StarFox 64, know who Yoshi is, hate Kirby (but know him), know Donkey Kong, and naturally, Pokemon gets a lot of attention (both positive and negative attention.)"
That's good for Nintendo, sure, as exposure helps sell, but I don't see how having mascots adds anything to the system's worth. Whether I'm playing a company's cash-crop game, or just another 3rd party game, I'm happy if it's fun, and enjoyable.
"It's all personal choice, though. What do any of us care to argue people over to Nintendo's side? Let the games and the company do the talking for themselves. I think Time will show who comes out on top, when Nintendo is working hard on games that a whole lot of people around the world are anticipating, and Sony is mass-producing a cheap, planned-obsolescence Stereo system."
It is personal preference, indeed. In knowing that, I find the above statement quite hypocritical, as you state we shouldn't argue about it, but then blatantly mock Sony. In doing so, you're inviting an argument.
"For those who love to game, the GameCube and other Nintendo products are the way to go.
For the college student who wants to stay up and occasionally play games with roommates, who isn't smart enough to invest in the virtual infinite replay value of games in the Mario Party, Mario Golf, Mario Tennis, and Mario Kart series... PS2 and X-Box are more likely to be played."
And with a mind-set like that, one would miss out on a slew of great games. In fact, they'd miss out on many of my personal favorites. But hey, since I don't agree with you, I guess I fall into the category of a college kid who isn't smart. I'm sure glad there are people I don't know to let me know such things. Thanks.
"The Final Fantasy series and the GTA series are all PS2 really has. And Final Fantasy, the "dream," per se, began on Nintendo."
Personal opinions aren't facts. I could just as easily say that "The Mario and Zelda series are all that Nintendo has." And yet, I'm sure many, if not all, of you would jump all over that.
"After two days of driving around and shooting and grabbing up white packages and dealing with large Italian men... GTA gets old. That's why people rent that one, and buy Mario Kart: Double Dash!! Trust me on this, I have a lot of gaming friends (between the ages of 13 and 20)."
Great! Let's form an opinion of a system based on one game!
"BM, you love to defend the other systems, eh? "
I like to defend what I believe.
"Yes, whoever said that the top 16 PS2 games were RPGs were right. If you take out the RPGs, then you have what, 4 or 5 games?"
Yeah, and if you take out all of the criminals in our world, you'd have a perfect society. So what?
"The PS2 controller was way too complicated. They steal the SNES controller then turn it into a computer. SIX trigger buttons? PLEASE! Who needs R1, R2, R3, L1, L2, and then L3?! Then you have two controller sticks placed at the bottom where a normal length thumb would be uncomfortable, then a poorly built D-Pad (sticks too much on all controllers) where your primary control stick should be. Then they put shapes on the buttons to cover up stealing A, B, X, and Y."
Complicated? The PS2 controller is an SNES controller with 2 more shoulder triggers. I'm not sure what controller you're looking at, but there are 4 buttons on the top of the controller -- R1, R2, L1, and L2. R3 and L3 are on the Analog sticks. And on that topic, the analog sticks seem perfectly placed to me. It seems to be a personal problem, if you do not find them comfortable. It would seem to me that you're looking for things to complain about. Such is the matter with the D-pad. I find it no different from any other D-pad, in terms of difficulty of use.
I find the way the D-pad and Analog sticks are placed to be fine for using both together, as well.
As for "stealing" the design of the SNES controller, "Don't fix what isn't broken", they say.
"The combonations on the PS2 are too infinite as proves in Tekken Tag Tournament. Dude, a high kick to some other dumb move would be like "Circle, Circle, Down-Right, Left, Triangle, L1, R2, L1, R3, Square, L3, Right, Left, Up, Down Triangle, Triangle, Triangle, X, X, X." A strong punch would be (for real), 'Down-Right, Up-Right, Circle, Triangle, Circle, Triangle, Circle, Triangle, Circle, Triangle, Circle.'"
Your problem is with Tekken, not with the PS2. The way moves are executed in other fighters depends on the engine. I assume you're comparing the moves to a game such as Tekken to that of Super Smash Brothers/Melee. And while SSB/M works in it's own respect, other companies like to reward those who take the time to master the timing and button combinations. If you think that is "stupid," that's fine. Don't play the games. Yet, to formulate an opinion of a system based on a particular game's engine seems infantile.
"Yes, the PS2 adds all the un-neccesary crap like DVD players to cover up the suckiness of the games, I believe. Hahhahaha, suckiness; I like that word."
That's nice that you believe that. Yet, I don't find that very convincing, either. Why not try to prove what you're saying, instead of worthlessly bashing it?
"Yeah, the PS2 wouldn't be here without Nintendo because PS2 were allies until Nintendo didn't celebrate some gay tradition, so they split up and Sony makes their own crappy system as I've stated before."
It is true that the PSX was created after a falling out between Nintendo and Sony, but who's to say that the system would never have been developed otherwise? Sony obviously had some sort of interest in the business, if they sought a deal with Nintendo in the first place.
And, I do believe it was Nintendo who ultimately decided to cancel the deal.
"Mr. Wiggles, that was one of the funniest things I've heard at these forums for quite a while. "PS2ers are gay, but cover it up by playing GTA." HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I would agree with you and it rhymes!!!!!!! Although, hey, it's just the "HARDCORE" PS2ers that are gay."
It's also quite immature.
It's nice that we can say we hold to a certain level of maturity here at The Fungi Forums.
"Markio, the statement you made was equally funny and bashing: "Play-With-Yourself-Station..." HAHAHAH, I couldn't help but laugh while typing the quote!"
See above response.
"As Mario says: 'Stay in school, don't do drugs, and eat lots of pasta. Or maybe not... just hang around that Shoryumoto guy enough, and maybe he'll work you into a few games.'"
I'm afraid anything I could say would only take away from this statement.
Edited by - Black Mage on 5/23/2004 2:34:04 PM
I am in full agreement with Black Mage here.
As for you, Trainman: So what if most of PS2's good games are RPGs? RPGs rock. I'm planning to buy a PS2 sometime in the near future mainly for the RPGs. Thank you.
It’s hard to make up your mind when you don’t have one.
Edited by - Chupperson Weird on 5/23/2004 6:22:11 PM
Ok.
BlackMage is a hard person to turn his opinion around... and that is another reason I like you; you're an extremely good debater. Oh, and you know how to keep your temper. As much as I blow up and get a little immature every now and then, I still very much admire you're even-temper and even-maturity level; not too high, not too low.
"If you were mad at me, but really weren''''t, what would you say; no or no?" ~Cosmo, Fairly-Odd Parents +--Support our troops.--+
But seriously, have you EVER been acting immature or blown up at something that really bugged you in your recent years? For the 10-11 months I've been here, I have never seen you get mad, or act silly.
Although, I recall you mentioning that you used a certain curse in the early years of the forums.......
"If you were mad at me, but really weren''''t, what would you say; no or no?" ~Cosmo, Fairly-Odd Parents +--Support our troops.--+
I would gladly answer your questions, however, this is not the thread for it.
The questions you have to ask seem better suited for AIM, or at the least, a different topic.
I always thought that the Dual Shock was the second best controller ever made.
“I’m a stupid fatty and I love to play with my Easy Bake oven.â€
I always prefered those hanafuda cards over any of Nintendo's videogames.
^_^ ._0 @_@ O~O
Alright. I was a little over the top, Black Mage. I will admit I was pandering for plebian'esque Nintendo support; work them into a drunken riot kind of deal. ^_^;
Now then...
"I, too, have a console adapter in a vehicle, and have used both my GCN and PS2, and to be honest, I have had no trouble with either. In fact, a friend played the PS2 almost straight, during the 9 hour trip to Baltimore, last summer. I have not seen, nor heard of any trouble with the PS2 in this regard."
That still doesn't reduce my point. Out of all my years of owning a PlayStation and a Nintendo 64, and now a PlayStation 2 and a Nintendo GameCube, the Nintendo products have worked better; the controllers last longer, the games are less likely to freeze, the connection cords remain useable even after being stepped on and bitten (both were chewed by my dog at one point). After equal amounts of good use AND bad use, the Nintendo products prove to be of higher quality. The fact that this holds true through a decade says something; but you could always dismiss it is a coincidence, I suppose.
"More user friendly. I wouldn't agree with this. Mostly because the term is relative. Both systems operate in a similar manner, leaving little leeway for one to be better for electronic novices."
I agree with it because of the above statement. I also agree with it because of simpler things, such as disc size (GCN favored), system size (I can leave my GCN unhooked on my coffee table when I'm not playing it; it's about the same size as our candy dish. The PS2 takes up about two and a half as much "area" space), controller size (the Nintendo-produced GCN controllers are very well made--easy fit to the hands, unless you have abnormally large or small hands. I've seen more complaints about the PlayStation controller style over the GCN style, which is why I mention that; both feel fine to me, now that I'm used to them), button response (the GCN's "A" button, as the main fuction in a lot of games, is a lot easier to 'navigate' than the equally proportioned X, O, Triangle, and Square buttons; the "B" button, as a common 'secondary' button, is also a secondary size; the same applies with the X, Y, and Z buttons; henceforth, this also applies to the shoulder buttons, wherein the two GCN buttons have farther to press and are therefore less likely to stick or be rammed into the controller. I had a friend who jammed my R1 button so hard it got stuck down in the controller and had to be retrieved with a screwdriver. I've applied this same radical pressure to all buttons of the GCN controllers I own (even the second-company brands) and they hold out fine. Maybe I'm not as violent as my friend, though.)
"If you're going to judge a system by it's looks, than you really have no right to make the argument concerning the extra DVD-features and etc. being a bad thing. If you're hung up on colors as opposed to the gaming experience, I don't see where having a DVD player would matter."
I never made that argument. I'm not 'hung up' on colors, either, I'm simply being meticulous in as many details as I can think of with neither system in direct view.
"Resident Evil is also available on the GameCube. I don't see the relevance of your comment."
This was more of a "Nintendo" and "Sony PlayStation" comment. It's been made a million times; people can point out many violent games in the PlayStation and now X-Box franchise that you won't find in Nintendo. Of course, many of those games may be very good games, as well. To the same degree, people can call Nintendo "kiddy," and they do. This just all depends on what you enjoy in a game overall, in the end, I guess.
"That's good for Nintendo, sure, as exposure helps sell, but I don't see how having mascots adds anything to the system's worth. Whether I'm playing a company's cash-crop game, or just another 3rd party game, I'm happy if it's fun, and enjoyable."
I have to agree with you completely there.
"It is personal preference, indeed. In knowing that, I find the above statement quite hypocritical, as you state we shouldn't argue about it, but then blatantly mock Sony. In doing so, you're inviting an argument."
I'm inviting an argument if you're argumentative, yes. Sony DOES make mass-produced and cheap stereos, though, don't they? I can go to a small town radio shack and take pictures if you really don't think so.
The point to this is that Nintendo has its whole focus on gaming. Sony may not be TOO spread out, but they are still spread in their products. I see that this might make them more experienced in technology; but, in 30 years, if things remain more or less a stalemate, when games grow to be much more complicated (I assume they will), it will take a lot of attention to get all the details down; who will fair better, a company whose sole purpose is video games, or a big conglomerate like Sony? Or Microsoft, for that matter.
"And with a mind-set like that, one would miss out on a slew of great games. In fact, they'd miss out on many of my personal favorites. But hey, since I don't agree with you, I guess I fall into the category of a college kid who isn't smart. I'm sure glad there are people I don't know to let me know such things. Thanks."
If you'd read the whole sentence, you would have seen that it says "smart enough to invest in." The games I listed get awesome reviews for multi-player action, and not just from Nintendo Power. Look up reviews on them if you disagree.
Do you know all the media news anchors, newspaper journalists, and actors in commercials? Because they let you know things you don't know, and you don't know them, to make a point of small importance.
Passive-aggressivity isn't flattering for anyone, either.
You don't miss out on a slew of great games with that mindset. There are a many, many wonderful games on PlayStation and PlayStation 2; but likely, if you're one of those people who'll only invest in that one system, because it seems to be "better" (not sure how applicable that word is), then you're probably not doing your research, or "homework," and therefore aren't the same "caliber" mindset as more devoted gamers, be this healthy or not. I know this applies to a lot of people, because I know them.
"Personal opinions aren't facts. I could just as easily say that "The Mario and Zelda series are all that Nintendo has." And yet, I'm sure many, if not all, of you would jump all over that."
It IS a fact that I never said that everything I say is going to be a fact. I'm sharing my opinion. Walk into a room of 20 gamers and ask them about Grand Theft Auto and Final Fantasy and you'll get avid responses, trust me; what else gets the opinion of the herd as much as those two? Mario and Zelda are both massive franchises, too. Not to say FF and GTA aren't, but I would say overall that Nintendo has more large franchises than PlayStation; and right now that seems to be a big focus. Name some other big PS2 franchises for me, because I honestly can't think of any; and nothing draws in support like a well-running franchise. And right now Nintendo, it seems to me, has the larger franchises.
"Great! Let's form an opinion of a system based on one game!"
Great! Let's make a sarcastic comment after missing the point!
My point was based on two "games;" the GTA series and Final Fantasy. My Nintendo generation comment "dismissed" Final Fantasy from the discussion (and I believe it is the best series PS2 has and one of the best in the whole gaming world, so I can't fault it). Thus, I am left with GTA, and of the two, minus the one, leaving me one (simple math), I therefore discuss the one game.
'Kay?
****************************** "Word I was in the house alone, Somehow must have gotten abroad: Word I was in my life alone. Word I had no one left but God."
AS for myself, I have to agree with Black Mage. I actually think that if the GC could play music CD's and DVD's that it would have had more sales (not saying that nobody buys it now). Yes, Xbox controllers suck, but PS2 controllers aren't hard to use at all. The one thing that does steams me up is the way everybody I know wants to sell their GC for a PS2. I don't really care what systems I own. As a matter of fact, if I had a PS2 or Xbox I would most likely be just as happy with one of those as I would be with a GC. How old is this topic? Because Crystal Cronicles and Soul Caliber 2 w/ Link are both out. Sorry, but I also have to say that I think that the GC needs more T games, shooters in particular. Also, the wireless controllers have their faults. The WaveBird has no rumble and the G3 Wireless is WAY too sensitive.
----------------------------- Has anyone her ever wondered why we kill each other over arguments about games? Well, I geuss it is Mario, so it''s OK!
Edited by - gamemaster79 on 5/25/2004 8:34:07 PM
Super Mario, I also agree with you on some things. I don't believe Black Mage is really saying that overall PS2 comes out on top, I think he's just trying to say that people shouldn't be all over GC and push PS2 aside, and vice versa. Super Mario, ALL games get old. Yes GTA gets old after awhile, but Double Dash!! does too. I do get sick of just racing on those same 16 tracks over and over again, and vs. mode has also gotten old. I 100 percented the game in about a 1-2 weeks. Something I think that goes for ALL games, GC or not, is that they are too easy and short. I've pretty much beaten everything on al of my game: Mario Party 4 & 5, Soul Caliber 2, SSBM, MK:DD, Sonic Mega Collection and Animal Crossing has gotten tiring. Everybody always buys a game thinking that it will last him/her, but then a month later (usually if even that) they beat the game or get sick of it and then spend another 50 bucks on another game that will just get old in a month or less. That goes for all games. I think the gaming companies are focusing too much on graphics and not enough on gameplay. One of my friends has pretty much given up on videogames due to easiness. Even rentals get beaten or very close. I borrowed Metroid Prime and beat it quickly and almost hard mode, but I had to return it. See my point?
----------------------------- Has anyone her ever wondered why we kill each other over arguments about games? Well, I geuss it is Mario, so it''s OK!
That's just discontentment. Be content with the games you have, since you can't always just go out and buy new ones whenever you want. Play a game 'til you get sick of it, then "recycle" your games--go back and play old ones. It's actually quite fulfilling.
-------------------- Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.
I sell my old games when a new system comes out.
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I weep for you.
Go Moon!
This really is one of those arguments that can't be answered. The most hardcore "fans" of a system are usually biased, because they haven't played the others; those of us with two or three of the competing systems tend to sit more neutrally. Just something I note.
PS2 isn't all sex, drugs, and rock n' roll. Er, violence. GCN isn't all happy cutesy characters and steel drum Reggae-esque beats.
I agree with Sapphira on replay. Also, when you buy a game, you don't have to play it constantly and beat it as fast as possible; that's why you BOUGHT it. You can use it as a doorstop every other Wednesday if you want. Of course, the X-Box works better, in my opinion.
Play it some. Play your other games. Read a book. Find a cure for cancer. I don't care. If all you do is sit and play, play, play, then of course it's going to be super easily beaten in a short time; but then again, Nintendo probably knows that; by beating it fast and jumping in on the next 'fix,' you're giving them REASON to make the games easy.
Don't sell your old games, for the love of God. That's like selling your elder children into slavery after the new baby is born. I'm dead serious.
****************************** "Word I was in the house alone, Somehow must have gotten abroad: Word I was in my life alone. Word I had no one left but God."
I echo Fifth. *echo echo echo echo*
I don't like XBox. I like PS2 and I have one, but I definately like Nintindo better. I have an SNES, an N64 and a GBA. I hope to get a Game Cube sometime in the future.
I used to have an NES and a Sega Genesis, but they both broke. :(
Graphics chart 1= Xbox 2= Playstation 2 3 Game cube --------------------------------------------- Processor Playstation 2 has the WORST! G-cube has a GREAT processor Xbox has a good processor, from what I've heard
-------------------------------------------- Trade Mark Games Game cube has the most. No system beats trademark like gamecube
PS2 has a fair amount of trade marks
Xbox.... Terribly small amount of trademarks ---------------------------------------------
Some games on PS2 are plenty worse than gamecubes. Take RPG maker 2. It had the worst graphics. Name anything of Gamecube, or Xbox, with worse graphics than that. Also gamecube's Soul Calibur 2 is better than PS2's.
Edited by - luigifan on 5/26/2004 9:58:09 PM
Oh man! Just when I thought it was safe to remove my Stupidity Shield!
GameCube cremulates PS2 graphics. PS2 has the most Trade Marks because it has the biggest library. RPG Maker 2 has graphics like that because the designers didn't assume you knew 3D art design.
“I’m a stupid fatty and I love to play with my Easy Bake oven.â€
And who cares about graphics?! Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures has GBA graphics, but does that make it any less of a good game?
Luigifan, get your facts straight next time.
Nintendofreak sells all his games when a new system comes out? How dare he call himself a Nintendo "Freak!"
______________________ What part of the chicken is the McNugget, exactly?
a kid @ school told me that Gamecube had more trademarks. Srry.
Sapph, I do go back and play the games I own. For example, I'll go back and play Animal Crossing and see new things that have happened in my town. I'm just saying, the games are all too easy. A whole bunch of people I know don't sit around playing games all day, and they all say the games are too short and easy.
Looking at SSBM, it seems as if GameCube and Nintendo have the most trademark. I can't say much about Xbox, as I've only played it once for about 6.4 minutes. It does seem like that the only trademark Xbox does have Halo.
----------------------------- Has anyone her ever wondered why we kill each other over arguments about games? Well, I geuss it is Mario, so it''s OK!
Edited by - gamemaster79 on 5/28/2004 10:31:05 AM
I think it has a few more trademarks. let me refrase that I now know "PS2 has more tm than gamecube.But gamecube has more tm than Xbox. Gamecube is more fun though."[how do you make tm really small?] Yes though, it does seem gamecube has more tm.
This is a list of the reasons why Game Cube rules all video game systems.
The memory card is a very useful device to keep your saved game data on such a small yet so cool device. Sony and Microsoft never came up with the memory card idea. If your Game Cube memory card runs out of data space, you can get a new memory to replace your old one. Memory cards range from 59 to 1019 which is good for every gamer.
The new bongos may be too early to metion right now but you may have seen them in stores where games are sold. Thes bongos respond by taping your hand on the right or left bongos. You can even clap to make the bongos respond. Nintendo is making the bongos use their features by making two Donkey Kong games for the Game Cube by using the bongos. These bongos are very fun to use and may impress your non-gaming friends.
Those were all the things that were never said in this topic so I added these two reasons to show more reasons why the Game Cube is the best of all video game systems.
You're insanely ignorant, no offense. The PS2 has memory cards and the XBox doesn't have them because it has a massive hard drive it comes with. PS2 has a hard drive you can buy. Memory Cards do not factor into this debate at all.
“I’m a stupid fatty and I love to play with my Easy Bake oven.â€
Not to mention PlayStation (And Saturn?) had memory cards years before the GameCube debuted.
Yep, the memory cards are cool alright, especially the 1019 (but it stinks they released it so late). Hopefully the memory cards for GC will work with the next system. Does the 1019 card have more memory than the ones for PS2?
Something I love about GameCube which I don't really like about the other systems are the controller buttons. They're so fun to push! That may sound dumb but I believe it. PS2 buttons are kinda flat and feel stiff, and XBX buttons are really round, and also seem a little stiff (but maybe that's just me). The L and R buttons for GC are especially fun to push.
"Kids, don''t use formula one race cars to chase hedgehogs."
*walks up hesitantly*
*looks around, whistling*
*moves slowly over to bulletin board*
*tacks up posters*runs*
“Hey, lemme borrow your bike. C’mon, I’ll give you some chips.â€
Edited by - Nameneko on 3/8/2005 5:00:03 PM
What I don't like is the fact that people call the game cube "the kiddy consol" sure it mght have games that are G or E rated but what about Residant evil 1,2,3 and 4 ane they G or E rated no they're not and they call it "the kiddy consol" because it has some G or E rated games it's realy hard to find G or E rated games on the PS2 and especialy the Xbox (sorry for the poor spelling and if some thing like this has all ready been posted)
I think that comparison to Hokkaido is fake.
Yeah, bison are way smaller than that.
“I’m a stupid fatty and I love to play with my Easy Bake oven.â€
At these forums we don't have freedom of speech. What we have is respect for each others' feelings and eyes. It is therefore unacceptable for you to waltz in here and start flaming everyone with the same dysfunctional flamethrower that you're using in your new topics. Please try to post something worth reading, or otherwise please leave. ~Watoad
Edited by - Watoad on 2/13/2005 7:15:31 PM
I refuse to allow garbage like this exist in one of my topics. ~Watoad
Edited by - Watoad on 2/13/2005 7:15:55 PM
*Gives Watoad a standing ovation*
*stands and starts to clap slowly
*looks around nerviously and sees no one else still standing
That was quick Watoad. Good job. This guy reminds me of marioguy.
Edited by - Luigison on 2/13/2005 7:40:21 PM
Watoad is the coolest.
(Why don't I see you on iChat anymore, dude? We really should catch up.)
Huh? What did he say? I'd better not ask.....
Blam this peice of garbage! .....Oops. Wrong site....
The only reason I like GameCube better is because of the better games and the wide selection of genres. GC has all types of games and if you haven't noticed, Xbox games are all fps games, racing, and fighting games.
Many people are all like "Halo is the best game" and "GC is too kiddie" Halo is an FPS, you might as well play yoshi safari. It used a super scope. The graphics on many games are made slightly less vibrant so a younger age groups can play. I mean, if mario games were as vivid as GTA, would it still be kiddy?
Well, Graphics don't really make the game.
It's all Gameplay. Music plays a good role in there too, but...
Really, just because a game looks really great graphics-wise doesn't mean it's gonna be fun.
I'm not sure. The ps2 is pretty sweet and yet, the gamecube is something to die for. So I'm not exactly sure which one's better. I've never played an x-box. One of the best games forgamecube I'd have to say would be: Mario party games Mario sunshine supersmashbros melee F-zero GX Wario land Luigi's mansion there's probably more but I can't think of them right off hand. Ps2 games: Ratchet & clank ain't too shabby K.D.H. DBZ Buodokia 2 Same with the game cube
So the point here is Mario's just awsome. Ps2 has great games that don't need Mario. I'm not sure which one's better. It would be nice though if Mario was on more consoles then just nintendo.
i didnt post that. it seems perfectly fine for u to post a topic on how gc is better than the other systems, but its all wrong when i put one about how xbox and ps2 r better than gc. thats really fair
Stop. Spamming the forum isn't going to get you any supporters. You're in the minority here. Get it through your head!
You revived this thread for that, Watoad?
I understand it's all in good fun, but rather unnecessary.
I'm not X-box fan, but I can see where there are some who would take as much offense as you might have from "nintendo is sorry"'s post from your own.
Though I've never cared much for the topic of this thread, to see it rear its head again, especially in the way it has-- I'm a little disappointed, to be honest.
Each system has its perks, and it's simply a matter of personal preference. Pick the right one for you, and let others do the same. I don't understand what the big deal is, nor why there needs to be a "better" system.
Edited by - Black Mage on 2/14/2005 6:28:52 PM
Well, we're not saying what you did is wrong. It's just that there are more GC supporters on this board. (surprise surprise)
Sorry, Black Mage. I tried to make it pretty clear that I posted those images for fun—just to share some pictures that I found humorous with other people here. They are of course appropriate in light of this thread's title, but I wasn't attempting to prove a point. If you hover your cursor over the first image, you might gain a little insight into my interest.
As one who hasn't played video games for what feels like a couple of years now, I frankly don't care which system people prefer. Since this is a Mario message board, the support is (or certainly should be) automatically tilted toward Nintendo, but it doesn't really matter. My creation of this topic stemmed from caring about the debate to some degree, but that was not everything. Please feel free to read the opening post again if you need a refresher.
In any case, although I do truly care about other people, I will not carefully avoid any word or image that might potentially "offend" somebody. That, to me, is a ridiculous way to live. For example, I will continue to wish people a "Merry Christmas" in December even though some of them believe that only "Happy Holidays" is safe and inoffensive. Or if you want to tell me in a respectable manner what you think of Apple Computer's trashy products, which I strongly support, then please go ahead.
What I cannot stand is blatant flaming, which is very difficult not to be offended by. It is outright rude, and for the morally incompetent, it is in violation of one of the forums' mere four rules. Unless you didn't read my edits of nintendo is sorry's posts, you know that violation is why I edited them. What he said served first and foremost the base purpose of inciting anger and dissension among the other members here. It is this type of behavior for which such members as marioguy and jon were banned. If you cannot see the difference between this and what I have posted, then I do apologize. I can say nothing to help you.
“Hey, lemme borrow your bike. C’mon, I’ll give you some chips.â€
I'd better not get into a long rant here, but I'd like to state my opinion. And my opinion is that the GC is a ZILLION times better than PS2 and Xbox combined. Why? The main reason is that GC has Mario, Kirby, and other classic game series. I see Sony and Microsoft as idea-thieves who are trying to take the industry away from Nintendo. I CAN'T STAND people who think that the GC is kiddy and stupid; in my book it's a downside to the other two systems that they have so many M- and T-rated games. The world would be a far better place without immorality pervading video games. (Note that I do not think all T-rated games are bad; Super Smash Bros. Melee is a great game, though I think it was too severely rated anyway.) But I don't have time to address all the issues; this is getting long already. I hope I make no enemies through this post, aside from obvious goofballs like nintendo is sorry (I wish I could find out his previous identity).
Edited by - smfan1085 on 2/18/2005 6:21:50 PM
See? It can go either way. The Nintendo GameCube is not the issue here.
“Hey, lemme borrow your bike. C’mon, I’ll give you some chips.â€
You took the force out of my post. "Misguided"???
No, I took the rudeness out of your post that was a particularly bad idea in a volatile topic like this. If you must say that you think a certain console "sucks," then go ahead. But please don't use words like that for other members here, especially not right after the problems with flaming that we've had.
Why "e3"??
I wasn't referring to any specific members when I said that. I said it in a general way, because I've heard of many instances of people saying that. I didn't even see nintendo is sorry's posts in this topic (only in other topics). Anyway, I admit that that was out of line, and I'm sorry. But I don't like people to completely change the meaning of my posts when they edit them. I'm going to re-edit it so it says something milder than at first.
Apology accepted. Thank you for showing integrity.
Your edit is much better than what you had there originally.
Why "e3"??
Whilst I was on vacation in cheese-land, I discoved from G4 that the GC is the strongest console, structually. After 3 grueling tests, it still worked! The PS2 failed in the first test, where a weight was dropped on it, the Xbox and GC survived a sledgehammer, and only the GC survived being dropped from 10 meters. The test was conducted twice, and the same order remained!
EDIT: I stand corrected. I meant Cheese-county (Tillamook).
Edited by - Suffix on 2/19/2005 6:07:57 PM
Heh heh, who knew Nintendo also wants people to have people actually conduct these tests so they make it strong enough to withstand a hit with a sledgehammer and a 10 meter fall.
It's about to get BLOW'D UP in here.
Let's get physical let s lets letest letsl ets.. what ama i talking about aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah WATOAD IS AAAAAAAH-ly COOL
"Yesterday... when I`m smaller... I wanna fight that Mario the day before yesterday."
I feel that the GC is better suited to my liking than PS2 and XBox. The GC controller is very adapted to my hands; I tried playing Splinter Cell on my friend's XBox once, and I found it quite difficult: the controller was simply to big for my hands, and my fingers couldn't reach all of the buttons very easily.
Also, the GC loads the features in the games on call (mostly GC-exclusive ones), so waiting time is reduced. In the PS2, all features within an area of the game are loaded at once, extending waiting time. I watched one of my other friends play Grand Theft Auto on his PS2, and I recall that it seemed that I was waiting for 5 minutes for the game to load. Information from the GC discs is constantly being read on call so that waiting time is reduced. The GC functions in a way to keep the players interested, instead of the constant "LOADING..." screens present in PS games.
''I am feeling fat, and sassy!''
Loading post.......... Please be patient........... almost done........... I think........... Just a few more seconds........... Anytime now............. Not much longer............. ERROR: System has been blow'd up *guitar music*. Please call for technical support asap before all information on your file is erased. Oops, too late. Our apologies.
All fanboys of slow-loading systems and computers please ignore the previous paragraph. Anyway, how come no one has mentioned that the XBoX controllers come in different sizes and different arranements of buttons? I think that's a little neat. (but then again maybe that could be a bad thing). All systems have their own good and bad so there's no reason to just love one. Unless it has Mario of course and then I can't blame you.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts. For all we know every single person in the world could be wrong. But that’s just my opinion.
Edited by - Yoshisaurus Rex on 2/20/2005 7:40:49 PM
I agree with the loading time subject because many games for Game Cube load really fast and on some games such as Super Mario Sunshine it may feel like there is no loading time. Also the Game Cube got a cameo in one of the Weakest Link specials. It was a question that went like this.
What company in Japan makes games for the system called Game Cube?
The person said the correct awnser which is Nintendo of course, but I didn't hear the person say the first three letters of it.
Nintendo rules all the way and that is the truth.
Have you noticed that any PS2 or Xbox fanboy will argue like this:
Me:Nintendo rocks Xboxfan:but Xbox has Halo. Me: Nintendo has Mario Xbox:but Xbox has Halo. Me: Nintendo is the reason gaming lived this long Xboxfan:but Xbox has Halo...
You see where I am going with this? If Xbox and PS2 had lists they may look like this:
PS2: 1)DVD 2)DVD 3)DVD 4)DVD 5)DVD 6)DvD 7)OMG Profanity, violence, drugs! 8)GTA 9)GC is crap 10)OMG lik wei s best.
Xbox
1)Halo 2)Halo 3)Halo 4)Halo 5)Halo 6)Halo 2 7)Halo 2 8)Halo 2 9)Halo 2 10)OMG hAlo 3 may!
I also think that the one problem Nintendo has is Marketing. I first Saw a Super Mario 64 DS commercial in Febuary and I have yet to see a Prime 2 one. As for the User friendly argument Nintendo is more, at least more than the PS2(never used an Xbox). GC turn on: Plug in, press power button GC turn off: press power PS2on: Plug in, flip switch, press button. PS2off(new one btw): hold power for 2 sec, unplug.
'nuff said.
Unplug? wtd
Also: They were running Metroid Prime 2 commercials out the wazoo for a long time.
"Don’t look into car headlights and freeze, because you might get run over or shot."
Yes, on the "new, slimmer, more compact PS2", there is no switch in the back to turn it all the way off. It remains in standby untill the powersource is cut off (aka you unplug it). I did make a mistake though since I used the new one for turning it off, I should have refered to the new one when turning it on (the is no switch in back to flip on ethier!).
Edited by - SuperSonic_Yoshi on 3/8/2005 2:57:36 PM
Black Mage, if you're still checking this thread, I feel I owe you an apology. The post of mine containing the Xbox images is only my second post in this thread, and that's because this thread was active during a time when I was not. I didn't make a point of going back and reading the preceding posts because of the time that it would have taken, and so I didn't realize how much bringing my thread back up matters to you. Actually, I didn't realize how much the thread itself has mattered to you.
For no particular reason I decided today to go back and read some of the earlier posts, and I was surprised. There was quite a bit of debating going on, and you were involved in it more than anyone else. So I understand now that this thread and the posts within it are important to you. I should have educated myself about this prior to launching my second post so that I could have better respected you in doing so (by not doing so in the first place).
Whether or not you'll accept it, I apologize for digging up this thread. It has been the most "successful" of all the console debate threads on this message board, but perhaps it should not have been. Its future popularity (or infamy) certainly wasn't on my mind when I originally posted it.
"He is not a fool who gives up what he cannot keep for the sake of what he can never lose."
Well anything can happen.
A girl in one of my classes on Friday said, "I only use my Playstation to play DVDs."
You're looking at post #100 in my first GMc topic to reach the triple digits. *grins*
"He is not a fool who gives up what he cannot keep for the sake of what he can never lose."
Gawd, I hate it when Nintendo fans think us PS2 and XBox fans are stupid. Do I write like this?:
y0 DaWWGS, Ps2 iz in Da HIZzz-OUSE! S0o is Xboxx, cuzz of HaLLLo and Hall0 2! cUzZ you gget 2 sh0ot peeps, hommiieee. mE & me possE R like in2 the SoNNy & MiCROSovT cownsles.
No. I didn't think so. Plus the control on PS2 and XBox is not bad. I get along on those controllers much better than the GCN controllers. Maybe the reason some of you guys think that the GCN control is better is because you are much more used to it! Think about it! Plus the XBox has great controller set up for shooters. Shooters are awesome. So is the PS2, yo. It's not like GCN fanboys post replies like this:
Top 10 Reasons the GCN is a Much More Suitible Counsle:
1.) I Inquire that the control is macnificently unique for us in the fields of literature. 2.) The gaming style fits those whose IQ's are above the range of the simpleton XBox and PS2 nincompoops. 3.) I also inquire that Mario and his chums are a delightfull bunch that always are on the ball! 4.) Would you like some tea? etc., etc., etc.
You guys think you're that smart and that us PS2 and XBox fans are just scum on the bottom of your shoes. Maybe you should get to know us. Plus video games are just a simulation of life. I'd much rather enjoy a really nice day outside rather than sitting inside in front of the idiot box. Thank you very much, dawgs.
"You can milk anything with nipples."~Gaylord Focker
Edited by - ledzeppelinrocks on 4/20/2005 6:59:26 PM
Don't worry about what other people say they think about fans of competing consoles. They're upholding pointless stereotypes when they do that, and that makes them stupid if anything. It's one thing to dislike a piece of electronics, but it's something else entirely to say rude things about groups of people. So just ignore them.
"He is not a fool who gives up what he cannot keep for the sake of what he can never lose."
Edited by - WaToaD on 4/20/2005 6:59:18 PM
Thanks. Sorry about that, heh.
"You can milk anything with nipples."~Gaylord Focker
I don't think your scum on anybodies shoes. I like the PS2 (though not as much as the GCN), but regardless I wouldn't think less of you for liking it (or the xBox that I dislike). Differences in opinion and competition are what drive the video game and other markets.
I thought the 10 reasons Watoad posted from NP were funny, but not very well put.
If only my sister could agree with all this. Though, she only likes PS2 becasue it has more RPGs
~Um, yeah, I agree with Watoad on this one; I find your sig very offensive. Could you please change it? Thanks. ~Sapph
Edited by - Sapphira on 4/22/2005 2:22:45 PM
Since this topic is up near the top, I might as well reply.
All in all, everybody just has a PREFERENCE! I know that may seem shocking, but some people might like the PS2 more than the X-Box, or the X-Box more than the GCN or the GCN more than the PS2!! It's all a matter of what you enjoy the most. I don't care about peoples' preferences, the only thing that really angers me are biased people and strict fanboys who won't except the facts. Special features seem to do little for a console. Who cares if a gaming console can play DVD's? You can buy a DVD player for 40 dollars or less! It's all about the games.
When you've owned a system for so long, you may tend to overlook the others and just talk about them negativelly instead of using positive notes.
Going back to my original point, I have preferences. I prefer the GCN over the PS2 and the PS2 over X-Box. It's just the what I like! I don't HATE the other consoles, despite the fact that some people may think that when I say I like PS2 more than X-Box.
One last point... I have emphasized this one little thing SOOOOOOOO many times in my life. The one thing that kills me more than anything is when people judge games (and consoles) by their ESRB rating. I hate it when biased fanboys look at the case of a game, notice the "E" on the front and instantly think that the game sucks, just because it doesn't have profanity, blood and strippers. RATING DOES NOT MAKE A GOOD/BAD GAME!
I rest my case.
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"I would agree heartily with you, sir." GASP! I've got an idea.
I don't like to support immaturity, but it looks as though I'll be doing exactly that right now as I give you a display of it myself. I apologize for this. The only "good" thing about this immature demonstration is that this is a relatively appropriate topic in which for me to be doing it.
Someone please e-mail me when Latias Dita has changed her sig. Until then, goodbye.
"He is not a fool who gives up what he cannot keep for the sake of what he can never lose."
Gah! I should've realized that! I'm sorry, that wasn't what I meant at all! It's kind of hard to explain without tlaking about the entire Girl Got Game manga series. I'm really so sorry if that offended anyone, really I am!
Random Anime Quote: "Dita... let''s go!"--Hibiki Tokai. Vandread Second Stage episode 13.
Wow, LD! I'm really impressed by and grateful for your response! ^_^ It was a bit rude of me not to just ask you to change your sig, and I'm sorry for that. I took you for a regular newbie, the sort who would commonly start some kind of flame war or avalanche at such a request. But you have replied with a kindness and understanding that is completely foreign to the stereotype in which I placed you. I do apologize for so unjustly jumping to incorrect conclusions.
"He is not a fool who gives up what he cannot keep for the sake of what he can never lose."
Now let's all sit in the dining area and have some tea! I'll go put your coats in the vestibule!
*throws cheery little party*
“You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view.†-Atticus Finch
Whoa, that's a cool word. I'm learning a lot of new words today.
"He is not a fool who gives up what he cannot keep for the sake of what he can never lose."
Yo, this recent cavalcade of new words is completely enervating me of my fine fettle!
I look forward to seeing the XB2 and PS3 fighting each other next month, and then later seeing Revolution rise out of the shadows and blowing them both to smizereens! </day dream> Well, at least making a nice impression at least. I just can't wait to see what it's like.
"Do you got a mullet goin’ on?"
Edited by - Yoshisaurus Rex on 4/22/2005 9:21:11 PM
It looks like the XB2 is going to be called the "XBox 360".
“Using the Semicolon can sometimes be a tricky proposition from a syntactical perspective!â€
Sorry, Lizard Dude, but that's where you're wrong. The XB2 is going to be called "Stupid."
Got Bird? <(^v^)>
I still like Luigison's suggestion, XCinderBlock. :)
Edited by - No-One on Whichever day that happens to be convenient for me at Whatever time I feel like it.
I got PS2 only for Final Fantasy. They had to leave Nintendo...
Bird Person, you really don't need to act like a biased fanboy. You can't call a new system "stupid" until you've actually seen and played it.
Also, Square Soft (now called Square Enix) never left Nintendo "fully", they still make games for GBA (Final Fantasy Tactics Advance), but yes, they do mostly focus on the Final Fantasy games for Sony.
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No, Squaresoft and Nintendo did "fully" split for some time.
In fact, there was no Square game on a Nintendo platform between May 23, 1996 with the release of Treasure Hunter G for the SNES (Only in Japan), until February 14th, 2003 with Final Fantasy Tactics Advance on the GBA. So, for the span of almost seven years, Squaresoft and Nintendo had nothing to do with each other.
However, this discussion is rather offtopic. I don't mean to play moderator here, as it's certainly not my job, but it is a shame to see this thread decline even more than it had since it was revived.
If anything, Black Mage, you're helping by contributing worthwhile info to this topic. I find those facts about Squaresoft to be very interesting, and I certainly didn't know them before now.
But, alas, this topic of mine has been a bit of a . . . downer? Well, even if it doesn't get me down, down is the direction it seems to like to go. Downward decline to destruction, perhaps.
"He is not a fool who gives up what he cannot keep for the sake of what he can never lose."
That's certainly a disturbing painting. Was the artist British?
I don't know his nationality, but the artist's name is Rowan Cassidy.
"He is not a fool who gives up what he cannot keep for the sake of what he can never lose."
This topic is already in the dumps, so I figure I may as well post this link for all you ytmnd lovers out there who haven't seen this one yet:
http://xboxportable.ytmnd.com/
"He is not a fool who gives up what he cannot keep for the sake of what he can never lose."
Well, here's another "reason"...
http://www.ryoni.com/news/124/ARTICLE/1149/2005-01-19.html
Actually, it seems to me that ESRB ratings can to a certain extent determine whether a game is "good" or "bad". As far as I've seen, M-rated games are ALWAYS bad - they always have something gratuitously immoral in them. T-rated games can also frequently be bad, though in a lesser degree; SSBM and some others are exceptions. But I certainly don't look down on E-rated games; that would be insane.
Actually, one important reason for my dislike of the Xbox and PS2 is that some of the most popular and publicized games on those systems have bad or obnoxious stuff in them. Thus I have come to view those systems as more connected with the "dark side" of gaming than the GCN is. This is probably a big generalization (the GCN has "M" games too), but so many Xbox/PS2 fans say those systems are better because of "mature content" that I have trouble seeing the matter any other way.
I feel the same way. I've never played an M rated game much less owned one. It doens't mean it's better, often times it contains things I find offensive. I ahven't played any T rated game that had offensive material such as SSBM, Tales of Symphonia, Skies of Arcadia and Phantasy Star Online. The violvence is not that intense, the language is not that bad and any sexual situations are mild.
This is how I see it: i play what I want and play what I don't want. I dont' want to play M rated games and everay game I want to play is on the Gamecube (or GBA or DS). That's what I play and that's why I don't play PS2 or Xbox.
Random Anime Quote: "I have split ends?"--Zelgadis. Slayer Next episode 6.
That article is retarded, and whatever Nintendo fanboy elitist ******* said that should be lynched.
List of great PS2 games:
#1. Disgaea: Hour of Darkness #2. La Pucelle: Tactics #3. Phantom Brave #4. Final Fantasy X #5. Final Fantasy X-2 #6. Final Fantasy XI #7. Katamari Damacy #8. Ape Escape 2 #9. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas #10. Devil May Cry #11. Devil May Cry 3 #12. Gran Turismo 3 #13. Gran Turismo 4 #14. Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty #15. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater #16. Soul Calibur II (With Heihachi ZOMG) #17. Jak & Daxter: The Precursor Legacy #18. Jak II #19. Jak III #20. Ratchet & Clank #21. Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando #22. Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal #23. God of War #24. ICO #25. Dark Cloud 2 #26. Twisted Metal: Black #27. Sly Cooper and the Thievius Raccoonus #28. Sly 2: Band of Thieves #29. Kingdom Hearts #30. Onimusha 2: Samurai's Destiny #31. Onimusha 3: Demon Siege #32. Xenosaga Episode I: Der Wille zur Macht #33. Frequency #34. Maximo: Ghosts to Glory #35. Maximo VS. the Army of Zin #36. Gradius V #37. Rygar: The Legendary Adventure #38. Escape from Monkey Island #39. Gitaroo-Man #40. Rez #41. Klonoa 2 #42. The Adventures of Cookie & Cream #43. Suikoden III #44. The Mark of Kri #45. Virtua Fighter 4 #46. Virtua Fighter 4: Evolution #47. Amplitude #48. Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne #49. Ace Combat 5: Unsung War #50. Star Ocean: Till the End of Time #51. Dynasty Warriors 4 #52. Dynasty Warriors 5
GameCube:
#1. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker #2. Pikmin #3. Pikmin 2 #4. The Legend of Zelda: Four Sword Adventures #5. Super Mario Sunshine #6. Mario Party 4 #7. Mario Party 5 #8. Kirby's Air Ride #9. Super Smash Bros. Melee #10. Star Wars Rogue Leader: Rogue Squadron II #11. Super Monkey Ball #12. Metroid Prime #13. Resident Evil #14. Resident Evil 0 #15. Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem #16. Animal Crossing #17. Super Monkey Ball 2 #18. Star Fox Adventures #19. Bomberman Generation #20. Beach Spikers #21. Sonic Adventure 2: Battle #22. Soul Calibur II #23. F-Zero GX #24. Mario Kart: Double Dash!! #25. Skies of Arcadia Legends #26. Ikaruga #27. Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour #28. Pac-Man Vs. #29. Billy Hatcher and the Giant Egg #30. Wario World #31. Metroid Prime 2: Echoes #32. Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door #33. Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes #34. Mario Power Tennis #35. Harvest Moon: A Wonderful Life #36. WarioWare Inc.: Mega Micro Game$ #37. Donkey Konga #38. Pokemon Colosseum #39. Phantasy Star Online Episode III: C.A.R.D. Revolution #40. Mario Party 6 #41. Donkey Kong Jungle Beat
These are all my personal opinion, of course.
And I'm too lazy to do XBox. Well, whatever - there's your 'more than 15' PS2 hits.
No Tales of Symphonia T_T?
Random Anime Quote: "I have split ends?"--Zelgadis. Slayer Next episode 6.
That's unexclusive.
What? Tons of games on that list were unexclusive! Sonic Adventure 2: Battle? Soul Caliber II?
“Using the Semicolon can sometimes be a tricky proposition from a syntactical perspective!â€
I was going under the logic of NP, where they listed SCII because it had one single difference.
ToS is exclusive in North America. The PS2 version wasn't realeased here.
Random Anime Quote: "I have split ends?"--Zelgadis. Slayer Next episode 6.
The PS2 version exists though.
Here's another reason. Well, no it's not, but I like it anyway.
If your day is bad, a nice comment at night can change everything.
Edited by - Markio on 5/3/2005 3:31:01 PM
I'm getting sick of people denouncing "Nintendo fanboys". This IS a Nintendo-related fansite, after all.
EDIT: Latias Dita, I said that SSBM is not an offensive game, but I don't think you thought I said it was, anyway. I just didn't quite understand the wording in your post (no offense meant here), and I wanted to make sure you understood me.
Edited by - smfan1085 on 5/3/2005 7:53:15 PM
Sorry, I was saying that I alsa play T-rated games without many things offensive and crude in them. I was jsut agreeing with you that SSMB is one of the few I play that fit the bill. Sorry if I confused you.
Random Anime Quote: "I have split ends?"--Zelgadis. Slayer Next episode 6.
That's okay. I thought that's what you meant anyway. :)
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