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Video Games => Game Help => Topic started by: tinkerair on February 18, 2008, 09:22:27 AM
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There are spoilers here and this is my first post so help me out! Ok so my brother gave me this game when i was really little and i have just recently been really into playing it. Except i know theres an upstairs when you unlock the first levels door with the big key. But where is the key????????? Plz help!!!
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Beat Bowser?
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Indeed. You need to beat Bowser in the Fire Sea, which you'll find downstairs.
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Indeed. You need to beat Bowser in the Fire Sea, which you'll find downstairs.
and to get down stairs beat the first Bowser battle
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and to get down stairs beat the first Bowser battle
And to get to the first Bowser Battle get 8 power stars.
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And to get eight Power Stars, you must buy Super Mario 64.
And to get Super Mario 64, you must have money.
And to have money, you need to have a job and/or relatives.
And to have relatives, you need to be born.
If you need any more help, just ring. ;)
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To be born, your mommy and daddy need to love each other very much, and.... wait, what was the topic about?
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And to get eight Power Stars, you must buy Super Mario 64.
And to get Super Mario 64, you must have money.
And to have money, you need to have a job and/or relatives.
And to have relatives, you need to be born.
If you need any more help, just ring. ;)
to continue, to be born your parents must... you know what, I'm not going there...
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To get your parents to mate, they need to meet each other.
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for them to meet, the human race must be created...
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for the human race to be created the universe must be created. wait how did this happen to become a forum game?
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wait how did this happen to become a forum game?
with ShadowBrain's post here, oh, and for the universe to be created the very fabric of life must be created
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There are spoilers here
Spoilers? Sorry, but this game is around 12 years old. I don't think they are spoilers anymore.
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That raises a good question, actually: When is a spoiler no longer a spoiler? If it relates to, say, something in a series, like Zelda or Harry Potter, it seems like plot details cease to become spoilers when the next installment in the series is released.
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That raises a good question, actually: When is a spoiler no longer a spoiler? If it relates to, say, something in a series, like Zelda or Harry Potter, it seems like plot details cease to become spoilers when the next installment in the series is released.
maybe because sometimes in the next game in a series it shows the ending of the prior game in that series?
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It's a fuzzy line. Hearing about which character was killed in the 6th Harry Potter book might still be a spoiler today. Knowing that Gandalf returns in LotR: The Two Towers is no longer a spoiler. Who knows whether the whole "Rosebud was his sled" thing for Citizen Kane is a spoiler anymore.
I'm reminded of an xkcd comic where Snape kills Trinity with Rosebud. Three spoilers in one.
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Bible spoiler: Jesus dies.
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Bible spoiler: Jesus dies.
BUT NOT FOR LONG.
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Rebirth cancels out death, but not the act of dying. Also, nice touch there with the small capital letters.
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"You know, the New Testament is pretty old... I think they should call them the 'Old Testament' and the 'Most Recent Testament'..."
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and to get down stairs beat the first Bowser battle
So you are talking about the battle when you jump throught that picture of Peach\Bowser and beat him?? I already did that. And it gave me a key. So when I went to the top staircase and went to the keyhole but it wouldn't let em go in...... Seriously stuck here people. And I wasn't born when this came out, but my brother was. So i have the game. I have money. And i have parents. And how did all of that start?
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You're putting it in the wrong keyhole. That key is for the basement.
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Spoilers? Sorry, but this game is around 12 years old. I don't think they are spoilers anymore.
I only said spoilers because I thought maybe some people could be new to this game. I didn't want to give anything away. And i think its more than 12. Anyway....
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I only said spoilers because I thought maybe some people could be new to this game. I didn't want to give anything away. And i think its more than 12. Anyway....
trust me on this, anyone who is a member of a Mario Forum knows about SM64
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It is twelve years old. Megamush, plenty of people out there might have just gotten into Mario with Galaxy and may have decided to come here. Sure, there's not a lot to spoil about Super Mario 64, but...
'Sides, isn't Super Mario 64 older than you?
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It is twelve years old. Megamush, plenty of people out there might have just gotten into Mario with Galaxy and may have decided to come here. Sure, there's not a lot to spoil about Super Mario 64, but...
'Sides, isn't Super Mario 64 older than you?
actualy we have both been on this Earth for 12 years
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Wait, come to think of it, what does SM64 even have to spoil in the way of plot?
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Uhhhh... the only spoiler I can think of is rescuing peach at the end.
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Mario beats Bowser zomg!!
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for the human race to be created the universe must be created.
And for the universe to be created?
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I dunno. You guys ruined it by going way too fast and way too undetailed.
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Mario beats Bowser zomg!!
"zomg"?
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Man what are they teaching kids in school these days?
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^ Yeah, what's the "z" in "zomg" mean?
for the human race to be created the universe must be created.
And for the universe to be created?
Whoah, hey, let's not get theological here!
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^ Yeah, what's the "z" in "zomg" mean?
According to Urban Dictionary, it's the result of attempting to type "omg" in caps, but accidentally hitting the z key instead of the Shift key. Also says it's more often used for sarcasm.
I always pronounced it as "zoh my God." Urban Dictionary apparently agrees with this pronunciation.
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trust me on this, anyone who is a member of a Mario Forum knows about SM64
Ok Super Mario 64 came out on 9\29\96 I was born a year and ten days before so I can't remember anything about it or when we got it. And yes it is twelve years old, my mistake. Anyway, So its in the basement and not that door with the keyhole. got it. Thanks everyone.
But how was the universe created? The big bang theory. So this big rock comes and hits something and blows up and there. The universe. Acoording to my Science Teacher.
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But if nothing existed, then where did the big rock come from?
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No, there was no rock! All matter exploded out of a microscopic area of space. The expansion of the universe is the Big Bang still happening--what's going to happen when it stops...?
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We will all die.
Where did all the matter come from? Can something come out of nothing?
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Well, it must have.
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Well, it's impossible to make something out of nothing now, so why would it be possible then? With the smallest atom, which is very much a something, I can create millions upon millions of objects, but without it or anything else, I can create nothing.
And even if it was possible to create something out of nothing back then, something must have altered the laws of reality to do so. To say that nothing can alter the rules of reality so that nothing could make something would mean that nothing was something. Because nothing can't do anything.
To say that God made the universe would say that something made something, but since God is something, He must have been made from something else, right? In my opinion, no. To some, God is a being that is not bound by the rules of reality that He created and is thus able to alter anything he desires. In my opinion, we are bound by that reality, and God is bound by His own reality.
Think of it as a video game. We are not bound by the rules of the game, but the characters we control and play as are bound by their own reality. This can also be applied to the creation theory. Mario could not exist unless Miyamoto was there to create him. Something must be made from something, and God is the ultimate/final gamer without anyone to create Him (I know that sounds weird, but this is the best way I can explain it).
The only other explanation is that something was made from nothing, and science has demonstrated that matter cannot be created from nothing. Because God goes beyond our reality, He has the ability to do so. One could argue that God does not exist, and that matter was created from nothing, but like I said, that is impossible. And if it were possible, then why or how were the rules of reality altered out of nothing? That would mean that nothing can do everything, but the truth is it can't. It is nothing. Nothing can only create nothing, which would mean that the odds of nothing creating the universe and the world as we know it are infinity to 0.
God's omnipotence/existence can be explained, even when there is evidence against His existence, by the big rock theory. Let's say God created a rock that was so heavy that even He could not lift it. That would mean that He is not omnipotent because He can't lift the rock. If He created a rock so heavy that he could not lift it, but lifts it anyway, that would mean that the rock is not as heavy as proclaimed, which in turn means that God is not omnipotent because He did not create a rock so heavy that He could not lift it. However, to say that the rock is heavy means that it is bound by the laws of gravity/weight/mass...basically laws that govern our reality. However, God is not bound by the laws of reality that He created. If we created a rock so heavy that no human being could lift it in a video game, we'd still be able to lift it by lifting our TV because we are not bound by that reality. Sure, Mario wouldn't be able to do it, but that's because he is bound by his reality. God can do anything in our reality because His reality is different than ours. It is a reality that goes beyond our comprehension, and when we die I believe we become a part of that reality. Death is breaking free of our reality and coming to terms with another. I know that all of this sounds almost too fantastic to be true, but God exists because nothing can't come out of nothing. It is the rules of our reality and the known universe.
Basically what I'm trying to say is that in our reality, it is not possible to create anything out of nothing. If it were true, then I could create a living being out of...well, nothing! In God's reality, it is possible to create something out of nothing because it is a reality that is governed by totally different rules. From that reality, He was able to create our reality and it's own set of rules. To say that God's reality does not exist would say that our reality created itself; our reality did not create itself because our own laws forbid it.
This isn't meant to be offensive to those who don't believe in God, it's just some food for thought. If you don't want to debate, then just pass by without comments like "Thank you for making me uncomfortable" or something like that. Otherwise, a rebuttal would be nice. This is a forum board, right?
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I want to believe there's a God, but I don't believe we have to worship whatever God might be there or follow any sort of rules or anything. Just be good and try to live as long as possible. That's what I say.
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If God can create Himself out of nothing and then create the universe, why not skip the middleman and just have the universe create itself out of nothing?
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God made the rule that something is needed to create something else because if we could create something out of nothing, what's stopping us from making a giant doomsday machine? Nothing, because I wouldn't need anything to create it. There's also nothing to stop me from making an object that could stop such a device. If I could do anything without working for it, life would be rather pointless. As odd as it may sound, God wants us to grow as humans and learn from our mistakes rather than have everything we could ever want. He made us to love each other and love Him.
I suppose it really is a matter of personal opinion about what God is. To some, He is the Lord, to others He is simply our reality, and to others He is a creator but in a sense that He created the universe and then left it alone. And some just don't believe in Him at all. Just thought I'd take a crack on my opinion on the subject.
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PL just made the most in-depth post of the year.
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Well thank you. When presenting an argument, one must present as much information as possible. I really wish I could've done this in some kind of argument topic though. :(
But the topic at hand was presented here, so it's good enough.
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Um. How did this Topic take the direction that it just did now?
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Well, ShadowBrain said that the universe was created out of nothing, so I provided as much info as possible to rebuke that statement (that is what a forum board is about, I believe). Besides, what else is there to discuss other than to get the key, you need to beat Bowser?
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We will all die.
Where did all the matter come from? Can something come out of nothing?
I will try to get back to you on that.. I'll be sure to ask my science teacher.
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Um. How did this Topic take the direction that it just did now?
Well it all started with that question of mine that started this post, and then Megamush, SlushieBoy and ShadowBrain started the ''to do this you must have this or do this'' stuff, that carried on forever, and then Shadow Brain started a Bible spoiler, and then rebirth and death, and then we started talking about the Universe and the big bang theory, and other stuff. Man I feel like I'm back in my science class!
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for the human race to be created the universe must be created. wait how did this happen to become a forum game?
For a universe to be created, God must be alive.
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*gives PL a cookie*
That was one of the most clear and concise explanations of the first cause argument I've seen, at least on the internet. One thing I'd add, though, is that if God created time, then it's meaningless to ask how He was created, because if He's outside of time, He has no past, so it's impossible to conceive of a "time" when He didn't exist. Your analogy to rules in a video game actually covered that and more, but it's still a useful detail to point out.
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Well thanks! A compliment coming from the guy who made this (http://themushroomkingdom.net/board/index.php?topic=11094.msg491368#msg491368) little gem feels pretty good.
And yes, time is yet another law that governs our reality, so to say that God is bound by time would mean he is bound by the laws of our reality. Good point there.
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Time is a dimension, not a law.
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Even if time is a dimension (which it is, my mistake), God is not bound by it either. Time is not infinite; to say that time is infinite would mean that it existed before everything else, but according to science, time and space occupy the universe. The logical thing to say is that the universe was created before time. Thus God is not bound by time because the universe was created before time.
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What I mean when I said that wasn't necessarily that life came from nothingness, but that what created it is so far out of the scope of imagination that we can't study it (and I'm not referring to God). Actually, and I'm being 100% honest here, the theory posited by Men in Black actually seems like it's worth a thought or two.
Honestly, why does it even matter where we came from? Even if we hypothetically find out someday, I doubt it's going to make the lives of the human race any better. If anything, all the opposing religions will riot, there'll be mass panic, and the world will go nuts. I mean, we're only alive for 80 years or so... just live.
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So what you're saying is that what created us is beyond our imagination. But by my definitions described in previous posts, God is all of that and more. To say that what created us is beyond our imagination but is not God would imply that something without intelligence/life created us. But is that even possible? I don't think it is because a piece of wood can't create another piece of wood.
It all boils down to this. The rules of our universe state that we as humans (intelligent beings) can create out of something else. So to say that the universe itself was not created by something intelligent means that the rules of today do not apply. And then it comes down to whether or not you're willing to accept the information as fact or blow it off as a bunch of garbage. I hope I've provided enough info to challenge the beliefs held by some of the members here. Peace out.
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Of course, then there's the ultimate question... Who created God?
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Dude, I've already explained that. Look at my other post (the big one on the last page) and read it.
*sighs and remembers why he repeats his information 1,000 times*
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Dude, I've already explained that. Look at my other post (the big one on the last page) and read it.
You, of course, being the authority on all things God.
So... he created himself?
Proposed T-shirt slogan: GODS MAKE IT WITH THEMSELVES
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Hey, if you can't provide information to rebuke it, then you have no right to act sarcastically.
If you really feel passionate about there not being a God, put as much time and effort into it as I did.
God did not create Himself. He was always there. He is not bound by the rules of our reality, which states that we must be created before we can exist. Think of it as a video game. We are not bound by the rules of our creation's (Mario, Sonic, etc.) reality, but they are. It's true that Mario and Sonic could not exist without us creating them, but God's reality is reality that does not require Him to be created because His reality is the final reality. Really, I stated all this and more in my last post, yet I find myself repeating it anyway. If you don't believe it and don't want to debate it, fine. But if you do want to debate, put some time and effort into it.
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If you really feel passionate about there not being a God, put as much time and effort into it as I did.
Honestly, I'm not really passionate about anything. But, I mean, you can believe whatever you want if it helps you get through the day.
God did not create Himself. He was always there. He is not bound by the rules of our reality, which states that we must be created before we can exist. Think of it as a video game. We are not bound by the rules of our creation's (Mario, Sonic, etc.) reality, but they are.
Yeah, but for Mario to exist, Shiguru Miyamoto's got to be born.
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Yeah, but for Mario to exist, Shiguru Miyamoto's got to be born.
You probably didn't catch my edit. For Mario to exist, Miyamoto must be created, it's true. But like I said, God does not need to be created because creation is a rule of our reality, not God's. In a sense, He created the ability to create.
I respect your beliefs, I just thought it was high time to challenge them. That's not a problem, is it?
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I just realized I kind of promised not to get into theological debates... oh, well, I've been a hypocrite all my life... might as well not stop now.
What catagory is the Bible under in libraries? Reference? Religion? Adult Sci-Fi?
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This debate isn't about religion though. This debate is about whether or not the universe was intelligently created or made from nothing. What does the Bible being in libraries have to do with anything anyway? That doesn't prove, nor does it provide evidence against, the universe being created by God. I assume it's under religion, but even if it isn't, that doesn't prove anything. I suppose it could be used as an insult (if it's in Adult Si-Fi) to those who are religious, but that's about it.
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I just realized I kind of promised not to get into theological debates... oh, well, I've been a hypocrite all my life... might as well not stop now.
What catagory is the Bible under in libraries? Reference? Religion? Adult Sci-Fi?
I think that its reference
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God did not create Himself, because He was never created. He has no beginning, because for there to be a time when He didn't exist, there must be a timeflow for Him. Since He created time, however, He cannot be bound by time.
(Note: a decent grasp of geometry will help greatly with the rest of this post.)
Think about it this way: if space and time are the same thing scientifically, and God is omnipresent (in all places at the same time), then He is also, in limited human language, in all times at the same time.
Imagine, for a moment, that our world is only a two-dimensional plane, and that time is the third dimension.
this is time.
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The plane that represents our world is constantly moving through time, but only taking up a single point in time at a... time. If we were 3D, however, we could take up multiple points along the time axis, just as we can take up multiple points in height and width. That, compressed into graspable terms, is God. God extends infinitely across all axes. Asking who created God is exactly the same as asking where a line ends.
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When we draw it with those arrows and say that it "goes on forever," it really doesn't do justice to the infinity of the line. Those are just analogies based on the way we draw and on the properties of limited line segments. In reality, that line doesn't just "go on forever," because there's no "going" involved -- it already exists at every point on that axis. It doesn't have a starting point because that's just not the way it works.
Similarly, saying that God is "eternal" or "never-ending" doesn't do full justice to His nature, and are just analogies based on mortal lifespans. God isn't never-ending simply because He lives a really long time, He is never-ending because beginnings and endings are simply non-sequitors when it comes to Him.
I know this is probably hard to grasp, but think of how difficult it would for a line segment to understand a sphere. Because the line segment can only see what's on the plane, he can only see the infinitely thin portion of the sphere that intersects with the plane at any one time - namely, different sized circles or a single point. However, even though all the line segment can see and fathom is two-dimensional shapes, the sphere is still three dimensions.
In a similar way, God may make Himself known to us by intersecting with our plane at various points in time, but that doesn't mean He is bound by time the way we are, restricted to a single point in time.
(BTW, thanks for the reciprocal compliment.)
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this is all starting to get a little confusing!
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Even when I provide as much info as possible in several posts, CrossEyed7 does it better in only one.
Basically everything I have stated is reinforced excellently in CrossEyed7's chart and post.
I really feel like there isn't anything else to say. I've been sitting at my computer for quite a while now, so if you still want to debate the subject, or think you've got some info to argue against what we've stated, send me a PM or something.
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Well the problem with these Theological Statements for me is:
Suppose of if a person was not religious and had found different results for time and space? Of course these statements make perfect sense for the set religion. Just what bothers me seeing that time is infinite, there are also going to be an infinite amount of religions, and not all of them can be right at the same time.
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I'm not sure I understand the statement.
You said time was infinite, correct? Time is not infinite. It exists within the universe, and the universe did not exist until something happened. Whether that be God's work (in my opinion, it was) or just some random event is up to the person.
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Time is not infinite.
Are you saying that there will be a "period" when Time will not exist?
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Time cannot be measured without the universe because it exists within the universe. If the universe came to an end, then yes, time would cease to exist. To end the universe would mean to end everything because the universe is everything in our reality. Thus time is not infinite, nor has it ever existed before the universe.
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Thus, your statement "before the universe" is contradictory.
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How so? Time really does exist within the universe. When I said before, I meant the universe would need to have been created, then time would exist. The universe is everything. Time cannot exist in nothing because nothing is nothing.
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Everybody just believe what they want, already! We'll never be able to change eachother's minds and we'll all be dead someday, anyway.
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Everybody just believe what they want, already! We'll never be able to change eachother's minds and we'll all be dead someday, anyway.
That's assuming, of course, that death is the end. The reason that this issue is important is that if there is a god, or some group of gods, then at least one religion is probably right, and just about all of them say that something happens after you die -- usually something that requires some preparation during life in order to get a good result. It's not an issue that should be taken lightly, at least not until conclusive evidence can be found proving that there's not a god.
Everyone can believe what they want (though it would be better to base beliefs on evidence rather than what we want), but there's a difference between forcing people to believe things and merely discussing, or even debating them. For something as important as this, we ought to try to make as informed an opinion as we can.
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Everybody just believe what they want, already! We'll never be able to change eachother's minds and we'll all be dead someday, anyway.
I'm done debating anyway. I actually had fun doing this; it was probably the best argument I've ever presented (in my opinion) and some of the best stuff I've ever written is right here in this topic.
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This is the best argument of the year.
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Um, I doubt it. There'll be others, trust me. Just because it was my best doesn't make it the best.
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Um, I doubt it. There'll be others, trust me.
the way things are here, your probaly right
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I HATE it when people present their opinions as facts. It annoys the crap out of me.
No one knows what happened at the beginning of time and space. You may think you do, and that's okay, but please don't try to change other's opinions or make them believe you, unless theirs is completely preposterous/impossible.
A better question, IMO, is this:
Why does anyone care?
That's just my opinion.
EDIT: I realize this is a bit late.
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PaperLuigi: "Before" is a temporal condition.
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EDIT: Sent Shyguy92 a PM. I'm done debating.
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EDIT: Sent Shyguy92 a PM. I'm done debating.
Thanks for such a great argument everyone. If this was a contest for best in-depth opinions and explinations, PL would win. Thanks for all the help also! : )