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Title: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Nintendoobsessed on July 11, 2008, 02:02:44 PM
Fun Fact 1#:I Have ALWAYS been a Mario Fan. Fun Fact 2#:I have NEVER been a Sonic Fan.

People would always tell me that SONIC IS SO COOL, MAN! While all I saw was a childish classic cartoon animal running around. I would later watch a Youtube Video entailing the end of the first Sonic game, to see him save little rabbits and squirrels. But I'll get to that later.

Fun Fact 3#: I have never bought a Sonic game in my entire life.

Sadly, I wouldn't dare to. I can just imagine one of my buddies coming over to see I've bought "Sonic the Hedgehog". They would laugh, some of them never even having heard of Sonic. "Hedgehogs? Hedgehogs? Wa ha ha ha!" Then I play it, and watch as a silly looking rodent runs around.

You may think I'm being unfair. Mario is also a kiddy fantasy land. But...let me list a few things-

1. At least Mario is DECENT ENOUGH to wear clothes. Some characters in the Mario Universe do not, but not EVERY SINGLE ONE refuses to wear clothes.

2. Mario is not trying to be cooler then Sonic. Sonic comes out, advertising how "Cool!" he is. If anything, Mario is cooler then Sonic.

3. Sickening cross-species romance that does not let go, at least the Mario games do not continually announce Bowser's issues the entire game.

Now when I ask Sonic Fanboys why Sonic is "So Cool" this is the top 3 Responses:
1. Shut your mouth, Mario sux!
2. djkafjakfj(Simple letters that apparantly say something I can't understand)
3. Sonic has a attitude.

Finally! A reasonable answer! Wait...he does? Oh wow. wow. This definetely makes Sonic way cooler then Mario. He has the attitude to not wear clothes. That's not cool. That's sick.

My final words: If Sonic and Sega are so much better then Nintendo, why did Sega fail? Why do the Sonic games sell terribly?

That is all for now. Let's see your responses...
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Glorb on July 11, 2008, 02:22:28 PM
This thread is so full of fail I think the total amount of fail in the universe just shot up a good fourteen percent.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: goodie on July 11, 2008, 03:28:24 PM
Those are some lame reasons to not like Sonic.
You really should play the games before judging them.

If you want to see why people like Sonic, I recommend you buy Sonic Mega Collection. (or get a Genesis with the original games. or buy the games on Virtual Console. or something.)
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: NintendoExpert89 on July 11, 2008, 03:31:57 PM
I haven't played any Sonic, so I wouldn't be able to formulate an opinion on if Mario or Sonic is cooler.

Plus being anthropomorphic doesn't always mean it wears clothes.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Glorb on July 11, 2008, 03:56:08 PM
I should expand my previous reponse, which wasn't very descriptive because of my shock at all the fail before me.

It seems as if nintendoobsessed lives in some little sealed-off world where people still argue about Sega/Nintendo and things like the main character's clothes and species are legitimate reasons not to ever play (yet still criticize) a series. The Mario games are about a stereotypical Italian plumber stomping on enemies and collecting coins. How is that better than a game about a hedgehog running around jumping on enemies and collecting rings? I'll tell you how: it's not. They're both games. Start living in 2008.

Man, I don't even know why I'm getting all worked up about this.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: nensondubois on July 11, 2008, 04:00:38 PM
I was always a Mario fan but sonic is my second.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Captain Jim on July 11, 2008, 04:36:39 PM
BP and I think that you should play games before you complain about them, nub.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Lizard Dude on July 11, 2008, 04:51:58 PM
Sonic is "cool" because he looks at you impatiently and taps his foot when you don't move for a bit.

That's seriously the answer.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Bag of Magic Food on July 11, 2008, 05:04:55 PM
Sonic dislikes players who stop and think about what they are doing.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: penguinwizard on July 11, 2008, 05:13:04 PM
I think this is a call for the Madden ambulance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_138p6uzhUk). I don't know why, I just thought waambulance = Madden ambulance for some reason.
I'll humor the guy anyway.

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Fun Fact 1#:I Have ALWAYS been a Mario Fan. Fun Fact 2#:I have NEVER been a Sonic Fan.

People would always tell me that SONIC IS SO COOL, MAN! While all I saw was a childish classic cartoon animal running around. I would later watch a Youtube Video entailing the end of the first Sonic game, to see him save little rabbits and squirrels. But I'll get to that later.
I thought the coolness of Sonic was supposed to be about his speed and his attitude of wagging his finger. It's not much, but it made an impression. And kids like fast things. Maybe kids also liked going through worlds that didn't have eyes on everything in the scenery. Me, I didn't care for Sonic simply because I chose a Nintendo first and kept getting fed the story that Sega was evil, without having played any of its games for myself.

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Fun Fact 3#: I have never bought a Sonic game in my entire life.

Sadly, I wouldn't dare to. I can just imagine one of my buddies coming over to see I've bought "Sonic the Hedgehog". They would laugh, some of them never even having heard of Sonic. "Hedgehogs? Hedgehogs? Wa ha ha ha!" Then I play it, and watch as a silly looking rodent runs around.
Wouldn't people also laugh at seeing Yoshi's Island? That's a test if ever I saw one, for someone who isn't a Yoshi fan or doesn't know who Yoshi is. Don't knock it until you play it. There's also that phenomenon where you don't really understand what all the fuss is until you play it. If you watch it, it looks odd. Some review of Spore Creature Creator said that your opinion of the game instantly changes once you're creating -your- creature. In any case it's more fun when you play it. Usually. I say that because when I played Silent Hill 1 on a PS2, it was painful moving the character around with the D-pad.

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1. At least Mario is DECENT ENOUGH to wear clothes. Some characters in the Mario Universe do not, but not EVERY SINGLE ONE refuses to wear clothes.
Mario's a human, he has to wear clothes. Animals don't have to wear clothes. Some do (but I'd imagine it'd creep out some people to be playing an animal-human hybrid. I don't get that when we've seen animal-human hybrids on TV and games for years). Also, animals can wear shirts but don't necessarily have to wear pants. Somehow we're just fine with that. If the animal takes off its shirt, again, no problem with that. I think it's just people being way too sensitive. We might also be sensitive about some games or TV shows making animals anatomically correct, when they're like that in real life. The animated film "Plague Dogs" pretty much doesn't shy away from anything, anatomically correct dogs there, but it's nothing to flip out about. You don't even notice it after a while.

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2. Mario is not trying to be cooler then Sonic. Sonic comes out, advertising how "Cool!" he is. If anything, Mario is cooler then Sonic.
That's the one thing I agree with. "It's cool to not try to be cool," along with its many variants. Let a character speak for itself on whether it's cool or not. Cool is subjective anyway, just seems to be a synonym for "awesome".

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3. Sickening cross-species romance that does not let go, at least the Mario games do not continually announce Bowser's issues the entire game.
Maybe we never expect the romance to go beyond "really good friends." Or maybe it's a hint that with these characters acting like humans (animal qualities don't seem to come out much), it doesn't matter if it's even a kangaroo and pygmy shrew getting together, species are just a convenient way to portray the characters and point out certain traits. If the species did matter, I doubt they'd fall in love.
Regarding Bowser, we never do think about it because he's some villain capturing a princess. He could probably do whatever he wants and we'd think it normal of his twisted mind to do so, like order Peach to bake him a cake. As far as I know, the furthest he's ever gotten is wanting to marry Peach.

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Now when I ask Sonic Fanboys why Sonic is "So Cool" this is the top 3 Responses:
1. Shut your mouth, Mario sux!
2. djkafjakfj(Simple letters that apparantly say something I can't understand)
3. Sonic has a attitude.
I'd say you're listening to the wrong people. I've definitely heard people like that, but they can't give a meaningful answer. By the same token, same as fanboys (using your definition) for any other franchise.

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Finally! A reasonable answer! Wait...he does? Oh wow. wow. This definetely makes Sonic way cooler then Mario. He has the attitude to not wear clothes. That's not cool. That's sick.
No, his attitude is for wagging his finger, and his "I'm waiiiiting!" catchphrase in the TV show. Maybe his back spikes too. Maybe attitude's equated with trying to look cool, so that he's cool because he has an attitude of looking cool. In the same sense that Viewtiful Joe might be viewed as having attitude. But to say he has attitude because he doesn't wear clothes... well, Glorb's better at summing up how ridiculous that sounds.

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My final words: If Sonic and Sega are so much better then Nintendo, why did Sega fail? Why do the Sonic games sell terribly?
Look at reviews. Sonic started its decline when it went to 3D, and no one I know is honestly expecting the franchise's 3D iterations to rebound anytime soon (the upcoming Sonic game looks like it's mostly 2D, but with a 3D look - that's different. I'm talking 3D where you can explore). Sonic could have no attitude and still be successful if the games were fun to play.
As for why Sega failed... I'm not sure exactly. Maybe Nintendo had better games or a more reputable brand name or better hardware. But it happened, and it's not due to attitude.


Sonic the Hedgehog 2 was the first Sonic game I came across, and I was interested in it just because of Tails. I watched the TV show, again just because of Tails. As soon as Sega dropped out of the console race and a Sonic game appeared on the GameCube, I thought "Great, the Nintendo vs. Sega wars are finally over. I owe it to myself to try a Sonic game to see what I've been missing." Sonic Mega Collection came out, I snatched it up... and loved it. Okay, so I loved it primarily for Sonic 2 and the great presentation. There's no reason the 2D Sonic games should be condemned, just like there's no reason the 2D Mario games (Super Mario Bros. 2 might be debatable) should be condemned.

(Edit: "Warning - while you were typing 7 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.") Nah.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Markio on July 11, 2008, 06:26:14 PM
-Sonic is primarily blue in color, and c'mon, who doesn't like blue?  Well, at least a majority of people prefer the color blue...  Mario is red and also blue, so yay for him too.
-The Sonic gameplay is very fast and stimulating.  He can run and jump, and then he can roll around loop-de-loops, fly off ramps, etc.  It's mostly platformer, just like Mario, so they aren't that different.
-While Mario has a princess, Sonic has robot enemies.  Robots are more appealing to boys.
-Mario's special move is jumping, while Sonic moves very fast.  The Sonic games also have trampolines that make him jump very high anyway.
-Both Mario and Sonic have good music.
-Jaleel White was most often Sonic's voice in the various TV series.

Those are the reasons I think Sonic is cool.  It's fun, that's what really matters.  You should try renting one of the games to see what it's like for yourself, and then decide how you feel about it.  I'd recommend the Sonic Mega Collection for Gamecube, or one of the Sonic Advance games for the GBA, because they all capture the essence of the original platformer games.  I know that there are more 3-d games now, but they look different from the classics, which were the best.  I should probably rent one of the 3-d ones...
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Mr. Wiggles on July 11, 2008, 06:32:30 PM
Jaleel White

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cool

what.

I thought he was supposed to be the epitome of dork.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: PaperLuigi on July 11, 2008, 06:43:33 PM
Dude, you think Sonic is uncool? Uncool is when you judge a character before you've even touched one of their games.

The only thing more uncool than this thread would be a thread trying to prove how uncool Captain Falcon is.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: TEM on July 11, 2008, 07:38:43 PM
Sonic is cool. Mario is more like a loveable clown or puppy.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: SolidShroom on July 11, 2008, 07:46:39 PM
Is this 1991?
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Kojinka on July 11, 2008, 09:36:54 PM
1. At least Mario is DECENT ENOUGH to wear clothes. Some characters in the Mario Universe do not, but not EVERY SINGLE ONE refuses to wear clothes.
Dr. Robotnik wears clothes. XD

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2. Mario is not trying to be cooler then Sonic. Sonic comes out, advertising how "Cool!" he is. If anything, Mario is cooler then Sonic.
That is true, and I agree.

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3. Sickening cross-species romance that does not let go.
You can thank the Furries for that.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: PaperLuigi on July 11, 2008, 09:42:10 PM
The "Mario is better because he wears clothing" point is stupid because several characters in the Mario series don't wear clothing either. Yoshi, Bowser, Donkey Kong, Koopa Troopa, Goomba....the list goes on. I realize that he tried to rebuke that statement by saying that "not every character in the Mario series doesn't wear clothing," but it's still stupid because a lot of Sonic characters are animals and have fur. What, are we gonna start telling Kirby and Pikachu to start wearing cloths now? Bugs Bunny never wore cloths (well, sometimes he did, but in that case they were women's clothing). Does that make him uncool?

Another poor point made is the whole "I won't buy a Sonic game because my friends will laugh at me" thing. Yeah right, if they're really your friends, they wouldn't laugh at you for playing Sonic anyway. Besides, I had a friend who brought his PSP to school everyday with Sonic 3 downloaded. He'd have an entire circle around him captivated by the game, and he was friends with every one of them. Give me strength.

Sonic has attitude, but that's part of his character. It has and will continue to turn some people off to Sonic. I guess you're one of them. I personally couldn't care less about his attitude because the old games are fun, but then again, you haven't even tried them due to your own prejudice. Seriously dude, it's only holding you back from a fun experience. Trust me, the Sonic games are a blast and telling everyone that you won't play them because you dislike the main character is really ridiculous . That's like me coming out and saying "I won't play Metal Gear because I think Solid Snake is a jerk" before I even touch a controller.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: CrossEyed7 on July 11, 2008, 09:51:58 PM
I, for one, think that nudity is very not uncool.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: PaperLuigi on July 11, 2008, 09:53:54 PM
Back before time was recorded, it was the hot look and style.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Chupperson Weird on July 11, 2008, 10:10:12 PM
People thought Sonic was cool because that's what the Sega commercials told them. Seriously... that was 17 years ago. What on earth made you bring this up now?
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: PaperLuigi on July 11, 2008, 10:11:28 PM
Some people just can't let it go, I suppose.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Chupperson Weird on July 11, 2008, 10:13:52 PM
Was Nintendoobsessed even alive in 1991?
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: jmdblazer on July 11, 2008, 10:15:38 PM
No he was not.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Markio on July 12, 2008, 12:02:12 AM
The "Mario is better because he wears clothing" point is stupid because several characters in the Mario series don't wear clothing either. Yoshi, Bowser, Donkey Kong, Koopa Troopa, Goomba....
Yoshi wears Boots!  Bowser wears bangles!  Donkey Kong wears a tie!  Koopa Troopas wear shirts under their shells!

Sonic wears both socks AND shoes!  So does Tails, Knuckles, and I'm pretty sure they wear gloves too.

That's what I think about America.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Eclipsed Moon on July 12, 2008, 12:39:34 AM
what.

I thought he was supposed to be the epitome of dork.
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2Ff%2Ff5%2FStefan_Urquelle.jpg&hash=9377b250b9ea15c90aa6ffebcdf6e3d9)
Excuse me?
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: PaperLuigi on July 12, 2008, 01:07:43 AM
Yoshi wears Boots!  Bowser wears bangles!  Donkey Kong wears a tie!  Koopa Troopas wear shirts under their shells!

Sonic wears both socks AND shoes!  So does Tails, Knuckles, and I'm pretty sure they wear gloves too.

That's what I think about America.

When I said clothing, I totally meant shirts, pants and underwear. You know, the stuff that covers up the private area. Koopas wear shirts, but no pants. Nintendoobsessed was trying to say that Mario is more decent than Sonic because he wears overalls over his family jewels.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Chupperson Weird on July 12, 2008, 01:09:17 AM
Sonic even has any?
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Glorb on July 12, 2008, 07:42:23 AM
Perhaps Mario's not trying to cover his family jewels. Maybe it's his lack thereof. Or maybe it's someone else's jewels? Who knows what's in Mario's overalls? He never takes them off; maybe he's like Cobra Commander, hiding his horrifying deformities.

Seriously, I can theorize for hours. (Maybe he just keeps his mushrooms there instead of eating them?)
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Luigalaxy on July 12, 2008, 08:14:31 AM
My friends are a group of gamers (mostly). I met them at the Club Kid (provided by YMCA.). I was making the transition of liking Sonic to liking Mario. I was playing Sonic Advance 3 on my GBA (this was before 2004, I believe.). I had my group of friends around my, watching me fight Dr Robotnik in the Second to last Boss Battle. The thing is, they all liked Mario too. But they still watched (even when I funnily bashed my head in to the GBA, breaking the screen.). If they are your real friends, Nintendoobsessed, they wouldn't insult you. I also played Sonic 3 on a emulator on my comp. in my spare time after that. Then I deleted most of my folder. But, anyway, Sonic is like that because, Sega is mainly focusing 3-D (or at least Sonic Heroes) on little kids. I got it in 2nd Grade and have beaten the main story.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Kuromatsu on July 12, 2008, 10:20:19 AM
Who knows what's in Mario's overalls? He never takes them off
He has taken them off on several occasions. Like the beginning of Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga... Toad's eyes burned at what he saw.

He has to change for his football gear too.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: silverstarman on July 12, 2008, 11:23:57 AM
Sonic games are..."cool." Well, they're fun. At least they were until Shadow The Hedgehog came out. Then Sonic just, died...
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: El Gato on July 12, 2008, 11:55:43 AM
I'd say Sonic as a character is pretty cool, although I like his older design better. Obviously a lot of work was made in making his apperance as appealing as possible and I think if you didn't know who either Mario or Sonic was, you'd think Sonic was the more cool-looking one (even if  there's a certain charm in Mario being a random italian plumber in a fantasy land). I'd recommend you atleast play the Genesis games, they're good platformers. Your friends will be totally amazed and think you're cool. And if they don't, well then you would atleast have a fun time with the games, right?
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Kojinka on July 12, 2008, 03:39:06 PM
Cartoony little Italian plumbers are cute
Fat little cartoon hedgehogs are cute
Anorexic cartoon Porcupines are not
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Crazee on July 12, 2008, 06:52:50 PM
Sonic is cool because his games revolutionized platformers. It was a platformer that played entirely different than anything else, with level design that rewarded both speed runs and exploration.(particuarly S3&K). As far as a character...Sonic's impatient but very heroic. It's not like he's only attitude. Really, when it comes to his games now...he's a thrillseeker that always helps his friends when they need him. If you think the attitude made Sonic cool, study the 16-bit era. Look at all the bad platformers mimicing Sonic's style without the exceleent level design or intuitive controls. And yes, attitude stretched to the level or annoying. Bubsy, anyone?

 Sonic's character is probably more...negative than most company mascots. He's kind of arrogant and self-absorbed. I'm a huge Sonic fan and even enjoy the 3D games, but really the awnser is "Play the games".Mario would just be an annoying character if the games played like Gex.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: The Chef on July 12, 2008, 07:31:26 PM
Here's the way I see it:

Mario is like Superman or Captain America. They're old-fashioned and stand for traditional but still well-structured morals that stand the test of time.

Sonic is like Spider-Man. He's youthful and has flaws, but still understand his importance and maintains a sense of raw justice. That, and his main series went through ridiculous downward spiral. Too bad video game franchises don't get Ultimate unvierses. :\
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: PaperLuigi on July 12, 2008, 07:34:18 PM
That, and his main series went through ridiculous downward spiral.

Yeesh, tell me about it! I loved the original Spiderman series but I can't stand the new stuff. Same goes for Sonic.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Glorb on July 12, 2008, 09:25:18 PM
Here's the way I see it:

Mario is like Superman or Captain America. They're old-fashioned and stand for traditional but still well-structured morals that stand the test of time.

Sonic is like Spider-Man. He's youthful and has flaws, but still understand his importance and maintains a sense of raw justice. That, and his main series went through ridiculous downward spiral. Too bad video game franchises don't get Ultimate unvierses. :\

1) There SHOULD be Ultimate universes for Sonic and Mario. Srsly.

2) I hope we don't get to comparing game companies/characters to musicians/soda brands again.

3) I've always imagined Toad as kind of Spawn-like. Who agrees?
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Chupperson Weird on July 12, 2008, 11:22:45 PM
Ultimate Marvel is horrible enough as it is. We don't need other people making that mistake too.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: The Chef on July 13, 2008, 07:46:50 AM
I'm guessing Chupperson hates them for reasons the rest of us can't comprehend, though I can't see how they're worse than some of the decisions recently made in the regular series.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Chupperson Weird on July 13, 2008, 11:08:31 AM
I didn't say the recent Earth-616 developments were good either, but that's beside the point.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: The Chef on July 14, 2008, 03:26:28 PM
What was wrong with the Ultimate universes anyway?
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Chupperson Weird on July 14, 2008, 07:53:18 PM
I guess if you never read comics before it might be okay, but I really don't understand the point of retelling or sometimes mangling the stories of already established comics. I suppose the idea is to make it easier for noobs to digest, but that's dumb because most of the comics had been going for 40 years just fine before they started doing this.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: The Chef on July 14, 2008, 08:05:25 PM
In some cases, it could be an attempt at a reboot either for the sake of updating the universe into the modern age, or because the universe became too cluttered/messed up/hard to work with. I like if it's a writer or artist who simply wanted to do a different take on the character and it's universe, but that's probably more along the lines of DC's Elseworlds books.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Chupperson Weird on July 14, 2008, 08:19:51 PM
Marvel doesn't do reboots. They've stuck with one continuity (save for What If?/MC2 and maybe a few other side projects) while DC has gone through 50000000 different versions of their franchises. That's why Ultimate Marvel is so baffling. That and the redone characters are nowhere near as well-engineered as the originals.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Lizard Dude on July 15, 2008, 05:33:12 AM
I've read the first 12 or so Ultimate Spider-Man issues and thoroughly enjoyed them. One of them even had some of the funniest stuff I've seen this side of Peter David.

I've read the Ultimate Fantastic Fours that dealt with the zombie FF. They were fine I suppose.

I've read some random Ultimates and did not enjoy them.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Glorb on July 15, 2008, 12:59:37 PM
Let's boil this down to:

Ultimate Spider-Man = FTW
Ultimate Everything Else = not FTW

There you go. Thank me.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Turtlekid1 on July 15, 2008, 07:10:26 PM
I liked Ultimate Spider-Man and Ultimate FF (especially the scene where Reed introduces the fantasticar with a fantastichair for your fantastibutt).  Not so much the others.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Zarkanthesmasher on July 16, 2008, 07:58:49 PM
Warning: An actual on topic comment is approaching. :P

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1. At least Mario is DECENT ENOUGH to wear clothes. Some characters in the Mario Universe do not, but not EVERY SINGLE ONE refuses to wear clothes.

2. Mario is not trying to be cooler then Sonic. Sonic comes out, advertising how "Cool!" he is. If anything, Mario is cooler then Sonic.

3. Sickening cross-species romance that does not let go, at least the Mario games do not continually announce Bowser's issues the entire game.

This fails on all three accounts. First of all, you undid reason number one yourself, because as you stated, some mario characters do not wear clothes. Besides, Sonic is an animal, and animals naturally do not wear clothes. Mario wears clothes because he's a human, and humans are expected to wear clothes in public. Why is this so hard to understand? One other thing: not all sonic characters go around without clothes - look at Amy, Cream, and Eggman.

Reason number two is not Sonics fault. Sonic doesn't constantly go around saying that he's cooler than Mario; it was the Sega marketing reps. that said that in all the obnoxious commercials in the 90's. True, Sonic's generally a cocky character, but that's only been more pronounced in the modern incarnation of Sonic - which we all can agree isn't as cool as classic Sonic.

And number three isn't much of a problem when you consider that most species in the Sonic games look very similar. You're also wrong about Bowser and Peach - in Super Paper Mario, Bowser constantly tried to hit on Peach, and they even got temporarily married, for crying out loud! And don't forget that the Mario series has something that the Sonic series doesn't - gender confused characters and same-sex romance! (At least possibly in Mario and Luigi Superstar Saga)

Anyway, Sonic is cool with me. His games are unique, and even the 3-D games don't try to copy Mario's adventures like certain other cartoon mascots... *coughcrashcough*
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: MushroomJunkie on July 19, 2008, 04:58:21 PM
Dude I must say Sonic and Mario go hand in hand.  It's pretty much a unwritten law that if you like mario you gotta like sonic and vis versa.  I love the sonic games but I love the mario games more.  I'm sorry to see you don't like those games.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Bag of Magic Food on July 19, 2008, 08:16:12 PM
They should continue to appear in games together!
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: PaperLuigi on July 19, 2008, 08:36:32 PM
No way. Mario and Sonic was a mediocre game. It sold well but that's only because it had big names in its title.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Ultima Shadow on July 19, 2008, 08:40:02 PM
Judging the success of Mario and Sonic as a video game duo by using the Olympic Games spin-off is the same thing as judging Mario as a game series by only looking at one of the Mario Party games. Seriously, we should at least give Sega/Nintendo time to make a proper, non-spin-off game before judging that particular partnership.

I do disagree with MJ's point about "if you like Sonic you like Mario and vice versa"; it's astoundingly easy to hate one and love the other, as I have seen many times on the internet. This topic is proof.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: PaperLuigi on July 19, 2008, 08:42:15 PM
Judging the success of Mario and Sonic as a video game duo by using the Olympic Games spin-off is the same thing as judging Mario as a game series by only looking at one of the Mario Party games. Seriously, we should at least give Sega/Nintendo time to make a proper, non-spin-off game before judging that particular partnership.

I doubt this will ever happen, although I think it'd be awesome if the two appeared in an RPG together.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: BP on July 19, 2008, 10:37:32 PM
I'm not hating on Sonic or anything here but I think that the Mario world and the Sonic world are absolutely not made to merge and it would just not work at all.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Chupperson Weird on July 19, 2008, 10:39:29 PM
I agree completely.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: The Chef on July 20, 2008, 08:21:32 AM
My ideal Mario & Sonic crossover has them getting sucked out of their respective worlds and then flung into some warped dimensional space where they have to work together to escape. At least we wouldn't have to worry about how all their respective cast members would interact with one another.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Luigalaxy on July 20, 2008, 09:03:09 AM
I have to agree with BP. Although, seeing a Chaos Super Mario would be pretty cool.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Glorb on July 20, 2008, 09:57:45 AM
If a game were to be made wherein:

Sonic can eat mushrooms to get bigger
Mario can grab rings to extend his life in addition to the size hierarchy
Robotnik and Bowser team up and the design of enemies/environments reflect this

Then it wouldn't matter how hard it sucked. It would run on fanservice alone.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: CrossEyed7 on July 20, 2008, 10:37:19 AM
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blogsmithmedia.com%2Fwww.nintendowiifanboy.com%2Fmedia%2F2008%2F07%2Fsoniiiiic071908.jpg&hash=2c1ff6c5e5f3758be3b292f779f1a35d)

Swords are pretty cool, right?
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: The Chef on July 20, 2008, 10:40:35 AM
Except Sonic doesn't need one. That's gonna end up being hated compared to Sonic Chronicles or Sonic Unleashed.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Glorb on July 20, 2008, 12:46:23 PM
Almost all the games mentioned on that cover suck, will suck, or are sucky Wii versions of good games.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: PaperLuigi on July 20, 2008, 12:58:02 PM
Sonic looks like a dork with that sword.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Turtlekid1 on July 20, 2008, 12:58:51 PM
Why, oh why, oh why.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: PaperLuigi on July 20, 2008, 01:02:02 PM
Wait a second! Sonic and the "Black Knight?"

(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpaizo.com%2Fimage%2Fproduct%2Fcatalog%2FIMPTYV%2FIMPTYVMP030_360.jpeg&hash=83a4e245eb2cfbebb4cc8c6648551ffc)
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Turtlekid1 on July 20, 2008, 01:03:04 PM
"It's just a flesh wound."
"You're too slow!"
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Luigalaxy on July 20, 2008, 01:52:32 PM
Lol. http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=140 (http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=140) It looks like they learned nothing from Shadow.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: CrossEyed7 on July 20, 2008, 01:53:50 PM
Maybe it's a Fire Emblem crossover.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: BP on July 20, 2008, 02:17:20 PM
A game with Sonic using a sword? Hey, I have that game!!

(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg353.imageshack.us%2Fimg353%2F5103%2Fsonicswordyx1.jpg&hash=63167f87a77be6dcd88a8309172bdf2c)

Yeah, I like it a lot.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: MaxVance on July 20, 2008, 04:24:01 PM
He has the sword but not the fancy gauntlet. That gauntlet will revolutionize Sonic games, I tell you!
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Captain Jim on July 20, 2008, 05:22:44 PM
I LOVE THE POWER GLOVE. IT'S SO BAD.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Bag of Magic Food on July 20, 2008, 08:36:58 PM
Wait, so that Nintendo Power issue is real?  Not a photo manipulation somebody's been passing around?
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: The Chef on July 20, 2008, 08:46:19 PM
Almost all the games mentioned on that cover suck, will suck, or are sucky Wii versions of good games.

You're a sucky Wii version of a good game.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Ambulance Y on July 21, 2008, 01:13:59 AM
No, Glorb on PS3 is just as dreadful.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Ultima Shadow on July 21, 2008, 02:17:49 AM
I could see SatBK either being a total success or a total fail; I can't really see a middle ground with this concept. It does prove that Sega are really looking for ways to improve the series, though, what with this, an RPG and a console-bound 2D (and somewhat 3D) game all in development.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Nintendoobsessed on July 21, 2008, 11:00:59 AM
Almost all the games mentioned on that cover suck, will suck, or are sucky Wii versions of good games.

I guess you didn't notice, but Chrono Trigger is on there. Look again.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: MaxVance on July 21, 2008, 11:16:38 AM
I guess you didn't notice, but Chrono Trigger is on there. Look again.
Almost
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Luigalaxy on July 21, 2008, 02:04:40 PM
Thats the first time I've seen someone answer a quote with another quote.
No.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Turtlekid1 on July 21, 2008, 02:19:18 PM
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Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: CrossEyed7 on July 21, 2008, 02:22:08 PM
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Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Turtlekid1 on July 21, 2008, 02:25:10 PM
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*Has seizure*
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Glorb on July 21, 2008, 02:44:37 PM
Ahem.

You're a sucky Wii version of a good game.

Your mom
is a sucky Wii version of a bad game.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: The Chef on July 21, 2008, 07:09:30 PM
My mom? That's just low.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: penguinwizard on July 22, 2008, 11:20:55 AM
Lol. http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=140 (http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=140) It looks like they learned nothing from Shadow.
I'd forgotten how great Shadow looks there. "What? My *black* fur?"

Sonic with a sword... just reeks of the idea that it's been done before. Reminded me of Tidus in FFX with that long ice sword of his.

But hey, a little logo of Fox in the upper-right corner of the cover means it can't be a 100% bad issue. Just a potentially 99% bad issue.

We need something to defuse this thread. How about a kitten going after Sonic (http://youtube.com/watch?v=RQlmh7rkmoo).
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: MushroomJunkie on July 22, 2008, 02:17:26 PM
Seriously, anyone here that still makes mom jokes is a real baby.  I mean come on!  Those are so lame, immature and don't even make any sense!!! Some people just never grow up in some aspects......
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Glorb on July 22, 2008, 02:26:21 PM
Your mom doesn't make any sense.

Mom jokes are a lost art and I heartily condone their use in everyday conversation.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: CrossEyed7 on July 22, 2008, 03:15:34 PM
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimgs.xkcd.com%2Fcomics%2Fyour_mom.png&hash=43105268f4a0327c3e659de5bcc36e8e)
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: penguinwizard on July 22, 2008, 10:23:07 PM
Cue J.D.'s "Zoom zoom zoom!"

Uh, back to Sonic... actually, I have a question that's vaguely on-topic. Remember that Sonic game where he's supposed to turn into a werewolf? Someone posted an image showing Sonic's eye bugging out, like he was in great pain (probably undergoing the werewolf transformation). Someone remarked "Hey, it looks like Sega really DOES know what fans want!" And I never understood what he meant by that. Unless it means they want to see Sonic put out of his misery.

This comic seems relevant for this thread.

(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cubetoons.com%2Fimages%2Fstories%2Fcomics%2Fcubetoons81.jpg&hash=45a84ba54a7e3df3316d205feeeb45c2)
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Glorb on July 22, 2008, 10:34:38 PM
Cue J.D.'s "Zoom zoom zoom!"

Uh, back to Sonic... actually, I have a question that's vaguely on-topic. Remember that Sonic game where he's supposed to turn into a werewolf? Someone posted an image showing Sonic's eye bugging out, like he was in great pain (probably undergoing the werewolf transformation). Someone remarked "Hey, it looks like Sega really DOES know what fans want!" And I never understood what he meant by that. Unless it means they want to see Sonic put out of his misery.

Look, it's well known that the only thing that can save the franchise is Black Knight Wolf Robot Sonic. Who has babies with Amy, is middle-aged, and has a robot wolf weiner. And his game is a stealth/kart-racing game.

As for the image in question, I'm guessing it's this this gem.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: CrossEyed7 on July 22, 2008, 10:57:47 PM
A turn-based FPS on cell phones would also help.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Captain Jim on July 23, 2008, 12:30:55 AM
I made that comment about that picture. And that was pretty much what I meant.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Turtlekid1 on July 23, 2008, 05:53:22 AM
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cubetoons.com%2Fimages%2Fstories%2Fcomics%2Fcubetoons81.jpg&hash=45a84ba54a7e3df3316d205feeeb45c2)

Heeeey... that's not a dig at Sega, is it?
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Zarkanthesmasher on July 23, 2008, 08:44:45 AM
What is this? Are they trying to make Sonic the new variety king? Sonic + King Arthur = GONE WAY TOO FAR. >_<
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: nensondubois on July 25, 2008, 05:21:48 PM
A game with Sonic using a sword? Hey, I have that game!!

(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg353.imageshack.us%2Fimg353%2F5103%2Fsonicswordyx1.jpg&hash=63167f87a77be6dcd88a8309172bdf2c)

Yeah, I like it a lot.

What game is that?
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: PaperLuigi on July 25, 2008, 05:24:36 PM
You're joking, right?
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: CrossEyed7 on July 25, 2008, 05:26:41 PM
It's the crossover of Sonic Unleashed and Star Wars: The Force Unleashed. It's called Unleashed Unleashed.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: nensondubois on July 25, 2008, 05:33:57 PM
Yes I was joking. It's Brawl everyone knows it.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Glorb on July 25, 2008, 07:20:58 PM
Brawl? What game is that?
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Glitchy on July 25, 2008, 07:43:33 PM
Brawl? What game is that?

I think it's the one with Master Chef in it.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: CrossEyed7 on July 26, 2008, 12:02:30 AM
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.overstock.com%2Fimages%2Fproducts%2FL10864925.jpg&hash=7aa23ecf1527c2841e6024493118b1b3)
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Glorb on July 26, 2008, 07:50:14 AM
The multiplayer in Halo: Imagine: Master Chef is not nearly as balanced as in previous entries.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Turtlekid1 on July 28, 2008, 06:13:06 AM
But the whisk cannon is fun to use.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Glorb on July 28, 2008, 10:38:23 AM
You kidding me? Whisk Cannon is a n00b weapon. Spartan Spatula, now there's a weapon.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Luigalaxy on July 28, 2008, 11:55:58 AM
Spartan Spatula is SOooo 20 minutes ago. The Gravity Egg Beater is the new best.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Glorb on July 28, 2008, 12:34:36 PM
Well, it hardly matters after Ubisoft's last patch nerfed the Flapjack Rifle and made the game all nub-friendly.
Title: Re: How is Sonic "Cool"?
Post by: Turtlekid1 on July 28, 2008, 02:04:30 PM
You're not kidding; you used to have to enter a six-button sequence just to move your finger over the trigger of the Spork Launcher.

All joking aside, I prefer this (https://www.eoi.com/sites/folder16757/site_images_system/user/The_Big_Gun.jpg) puppy.