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Video Games => Mario Chat => Topic started by: Wumbo on August 14, 2006, 01:29:43 PM
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It doesn't make sense. The DKC series (DK 64) included has rake in millions for Nintendo and saved them from the clutches of Sega. But how come Nintendo looks down on DKC the most? Jungle Beat pretty much proves the point. :(
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...Looks down? Nintendo dosen't look down on the Donkey Kong series. Namco made a whole new controller for the purpose of Donkey Konga. Nintendo wouldn't make a new controller for a game based on a character they look down on. Also, jungle beat was well accepted among the gaming media, dispite it's departure in style from previous DK platformers. It definatly had a creative idea.
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...a creative what?
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...a creative what?
The idea I was talking about was the idea of using the Bongo controller as a means of controlling DK. Sorry about that. Truth be told, I've never acctually played DK:JB before, but I have heard how you play it. The way you use the Bongo controller to control DK sounds fun.
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It may be fun, but it hurts your arms. And it's a platformer, which really doesn't need to a bongo drum controller to be fun anyway.
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I have it, you really get tired from all that clapping and drumming, really can't keep up, speshaly in the boss battles.
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Really? That makes it seem even more fun to me for some reason.
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Then let their be blisters! Give it to ya' for 50 bucks.
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If I were willing to pay that much, I'd already have it by now! On the other hand, I am a little more interested than I was previously. Dust off the bongos and give your Donkey Kong a second chance sometime, will ya?
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NO.
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The reason I say Nintendo looks down on DKC was because there were no DKC characters or anything else DK related in Jungle Beat. Nintendo replaced everything.
Hoofer = Rambi
Orca = Enguard
The monkeys that catapault you = Blast Barrels
The tiny black and white pigs = Gnawty Beavers
And they're not the only ones.
Nintendo seemed to replace everything that made DK, DK.
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Well, that's true. But the rest of the kongs were featured in Donkey Konga 1, 2 and 3, DK:KoS and it's upcoming sequal, Mario Superstar Baseball and the upcoming Donkey kong:Bongo blast just to name a few. Also, DK had a Rambi stylized kart in MKDS, so he isn't entirly forgotten.
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Maybe Jungle Beat is in a whole other kingdom?
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Jungle Beat takes place on many different island kingdoms. But that doesn't mean that DK's friends can't assist him. And sure, the Kongs were in those games Robert mention, but most of them are third party games.
And this is proof that Nintendo doesn't respect DK: http://www.n-sider.com/articleview.php?articleid=420
This is an interview with the Jungle Beat creators
Q: Tell us about the characters.
Koizumi: All the characters outside of Donkey Kong and the banana are completely original. We don't really feel the past look of Donkey Kong was fresh enough for today. We really gave our new development team the chance to really create something unique and stylish.
Do you know how hypocritical that makes Nintendo? The DKC characters has been around for barely 10 years. Most of the main Mario cast has been around for over 20 years. If the Kongs aren't fresh enough, then Mario ,and forgive me for what I say, is staler than a dead man in the summertime. Also, Peach, Luigi, and Bowser are stale too.
Also, Nintendo ruined DK's character. They tried to make him more like a gorilla. The ironic thing was he was more of the gorilla in Rare's hands.
When Rare handled DK: DK was a fun loving guy who never hurt anybody unless they done harm to him or his family. Also, DK and Mario were now pretty good friends. DK also had his own friends and family.
When Nintendo took him back: DK was fighting idiot. He beats up on guys for no appearant reason. If Nintendo said the kings were evil and he went to stop them, that would have been passable. Also, for some strange reason, Nintendo is trying to revive the fued between Mario and DK after many years (Mario Vs DK games) Also, why does DK fall in love with Pauline when he has Candy?
Now, I like Nintendo. But if they treat what Rareware did for them like crud, what would happen if other second party companies leave but their characters have to stay?
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Now, I'm even more interested in Jungle Beat. It sounds like they stayed true to DK's original design.
In response to the thoughts on the interview, Mario and his crew don't need to be modernized because they're timeless. Not much sticks out when you transport them to another era. DKC, on the other hand, well... just imagine Funky. The surfer persona is totally lost on today's youth. You'd have to transform him into a rapper to get a similar effect, and that might perturb the long-time fans, so it seems like the best choice is to start from scratch.
Honestly, though, I think the real reason is that Nintendo wasn't fond of DKC in the first place. The series made some money, so they had no choice but to tolerate it, but they never accepted it as their own. After all, it's not.
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I'm pretty sure the idea of Jungle Beat was to give DK a fresh start and try new ideas. You can't really do that with the old settings.
Besides that, if Nintendo didn't like the DKC series, why would Diddy Kong and other Rare elements make it to the modern day games?
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Well, you have to remember that Diddy and the like only appear in minor titles, so it's not they are consider main Mario characters. They're basically just filler. I wish Rare had never messed with DK in the first place. I'm pretty sure the DKC series isn't what Miyamoto had in mind when he allowed Rare to use his character.
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I'm pretty sure the idea of Jungle Beat was to give DK a fresh start and try new ideas. You can't really do that with the old settings.
Actually you can refresh a series but still keep old characters. Sonic the Hedgehog '06 will prove that.
And if Miyamoto didn't like what Rare did to DK, he shouldn't have never allowed Rare to continue after the first game.
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Miyamoto didn't like the game, but everyone else did. So Hiroshi Yamauchi told Rare to continue, even though Miyamoto didn't like what they did.
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Well at least, Rare improved the formula from the Arcade series. DKC DK stills used barrels from DK1 and he was still able to climb up vines like in DK Jr. So even though Rare made first made DK fresh, they still build up from the old formula.
And besides, Rare DK > Nintendo DK. Nintendo pretty much made DK a jackal in every game. Rare at least made him a lovable hero.
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Rare didn't bulid on a formula. It was a completely different kind of game. The barrels and vines were just passing references, like Cranky Kong.
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At least Rare respected DK Arcade enough to put in barrels, vines, and DK Sr. as an old man who views the arcade better than new stuff.
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It doesn't seem so much that they don't respect DKC, as that they're trying to take the Rare DK and make it their own again.
I've also read somewhere (maybe wikipedia) the Myamoto didn't dislike the game, but was upset about being pressured at the time to make Yoshi's island more like Donkey Kong Country. Granted, wikipedia isn't the most reliable source...
Also, with or without Expresso, Jungle beat is awesome.
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Actually you can refresh a series but still keep old characters. Sonic the Hedgehog '06 will prove that.
I wouldn't count on it. The last Sonic games were hit-or-miss, with most of them being a miss. Besides that, Wildfire got a better reception at E3 than '06.
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Mr.Wiggles is right about that. And most of thses new Sonic games center around new characters as opposed to old ones.
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Well, the other DKC characters are Rares as well as Nintendo, and Microsoft owns Rare.
But Dixie is in mario hoops 3 on 3. go figure.
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Mr.Wiggles is right about that. And most of thses new Sonic games center around new characters as opposed to old ones.
Yo Chef, name me a Sonic game besides Sonic & Knuckles, which is basically just finishing up Sonic 3 anyway, where they don't introduce hot new characters? Sonic Team LOVES that stuff. They do it EVERY time. Since the very very beginning.
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dumbdumbkoopas made a dumbdumbcomment because Nintendo owns all the Rare DK stuff.
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I'll answer to that LD, Sonic Adventure 2 Battle!!
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Yo Chef, name me a Sonic game besides Sonic & Knuckles, which is basically just finishing up Sonic 3 anyway, where they don't introduce hot new characters? Sonic Team LOVES that stuff. They do it EVERY time. Since the very very beginning.
I wouldn't call their recent crop of characters "hot" (except maybe Rouge, but that's different). Shadow and Rouge were exact copies of Sonic and Knuckles, Cream is useless in terms of adding anything valuable (can't fight on her own, basically Tails with a Chao), Omega is a carbon copy of Knuckles in Sonic Heroes and also serves as a crappy replacement for Gamma (rest in peace), the Babylon Rouges are once again carbon copies of already existing characters (and Jet was annoying). So far, the only unique new characters are Blaze and Silver, and they are incredibly fan-characterish (plus Blaze played the exact same way as Sonic in Sonic Rush). To terll the truth, I'd rather they bring back some of the older characters such as Fang the Sniper or Mighty the Armadillo. They seem more unique and would probably be better than having to think up a new character for every game that they make.
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I wouldn't call them all hot, either. I was using the term jokingly.
Sushie, Sonic Adventure 2 Battle added Rogue!
Having clone moves is nothing new either. Usually, there's always some new characters that control almost like the old ones with a few differences. (Tails & Knuckles are no exception)
And characters aren't the true problem. The problem is that Sonic Team is having a bugger of a time making fun, fast 3D Sonics.
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I wish they would brought back NIGHTS and Team chaotix.
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NiGHTS is the Sega equivalent of Kid Icarus.
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Ya got that right. I suppose Phantasy Star is their equivalent of Zelda (to a point).
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I don't think you can go far with that analogy.
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Sonic is kinda like Sega's Mario.
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Wasn't that what he was intended to be from the start? This may seem like a stretch, but Panzer Dragoon is probably their version of Star Fox.
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Phantasy Star is an RPG, but Zelda isn't.
Anyway, Sonic is Sega's Mario, but I doubt the idea that because both companies have rail shooters one is a copy of another.