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Video Games => Mario Chat => Topic started by: volbound1700 on August 27, 2007, 08:36:13 PM
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Not sure if this went in other games or Mario since it is a Mario Game... Been in Smash Bros board but won't let me post there for some reason. So decided to mention it here
Characters not yet announced that I sincerely believe will be in it:
Luigi
Ganondorf
Mewtwo
Marth
Jigglypuff
Captain Falcon
Ness
Windwaker Link - replace Young Link
Sonic - I believe he will be in it due to the way Nintendo personal have acted. They released a poll to help decide who would be in it and did not include him (usually means he already in it), A possible nintendo employee leaked some info that he was in it on a board, a Bestbuy in Canada make box cover that had Sonic on it. Sonic and Mario at Olympics is a compromise between SEGA and Nintendo
Megaman
Ridley
Baloon Fighter
Ice Climbers - same as Game and Watch
Mr. Game and Watch - rumored to be removed later turn out false
Tails - Remember the Melee rumor
Crystal
King DeDeDe
Another F-Zero X Character
One suprise character like Baloon Fighter that was a trophy on SSBM
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Suprise Character could likely be Stanley the Bugman
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Mario.
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Characters not yet announced
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Sonic - I believe he will be in it due to the way Nintendo personal have acted. They released a poll to help decide who would be in it and did not include him (usually means he already in it), A possible nintendo employee leaked some info that he was in it on a board, a Bestbuy in Canada make box cover that had Sonic on it. Sonic and Mario at Olympics is a compromise between SEGA and Nintendo
1. How does having a poll that doesn't include Sonic signify that they were even considering him? There is no precedent to draw on that would say "if someone's not in a poll he's already in the game" either.
2. "Possible" Nintendo employee. This is already insignificant enough to completely disregard.
3. Best Buy, acting on their own, with no input or authorization from Nintendo.
Sonic and Mega Man have no chance, even though it would be nice.
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Now that I look back on it, I realize how hopelessly optimistic I was when Nintendo considered Sonic for Brawl.
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Who will the third parties be then PaperLuigi? There are suppose to be 2 or 3 more. (Of course they could always change there mind).
Go read every board related to SSBB and half of it is will Sonic be in Brawl? Nintendo already acknowledged that he is the most popular pick and notice that him and Mario are now appearing in a game that very well could have been the compromise game to get him into brawl. Not to mention the famous rumor with Melee...
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Dude, I already know. I just don't think it's going to happen.
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I gotta agree with Paper Luigi, Sonic's future looks grim. As I heard somewhere, Mario and Sonic at the Olympics seems to look more like an apology for not having him in there rather than a foreshadow of him being in there.
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SushieBoy, in the humor department, do I seem stiff as a board to you? Do you not think I am ever anything other than serious? Do you think I cannot make a joke by replying to a long list of characters that are either obviously going to be in Brawl or obviously will not with a blunt answer that indicates I believe a character that would only NOT be in Brawl if Brawl were not released? Well I've got news for you, punk. I can make jokes! What's the difference between my algebra 2 teacher's soul and an ice sculpture of it? NOTHING!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHA, that was so freaking hilarious you've probably had a heart attack from laughing! So take that!!
On the subject... speculation is for the lose. You know who speculated things? The ancient Greeks. And they're all dead now.
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Wasting time reading a bunch of rabid fanboys on message boards is not my idea of fun, and no one ever said there were supposed to be more third parties in SSBB.
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Sonic and Mega Man have no chance, even though it would be nice.
And what is your basis for this? There are too supposed to be more third parties' characters, but they probably won't be revealed until after the game is released.
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There are some characters that shouldn't have been put in Melee (Dr. Mario, Mr. Game and Watch, Marth and Roy...), and I would not shed a tear if they were absent in Brawl, but I really doubt Nintendo will cut anybody. Replace, maybe (Ike=Marth/Roy), but totally eliminate... probably not. With each new game in any series, it's all about bigger and better, and no matter how much they add, trimming the roster will always make Melee better in a few ways.
Third-parties will only happen when there's a mutual agreement between Nintendo and the third-party people. Personally, I think non-Nintendo characters period is dumb, but Sonic is someone I really would rather not see. I don't know if it's his personality, or I'm sick and tired of everyone (not you guys, just... you know) not shutting up about wanting him in the game, but... yeah. Besides, if you want to watch those two compete, play M&S At The Olympics, or whatever.
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SushieBoy, in the humor department, do I seem stiff as a board to you?
*turns head* No. Actually BP I think you're hilarous, but that joke (assuming it was one, It just didn't seem like it) was very dull.
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Eh, Sonic should be left out of Brawl just because the quality of Sonic games have come so downhill since 2002 that the series is a shell of it's former self.
I'd be quite sad if Mr. G&W and Marth were left out though.
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...the quality of Sonic games have come so downhill since 2002 that the series is a shell of it's former self.
Oh man, do I ever agree with that.
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And what is your basis for this?
The fact that I haven't read or heard anything to make me think otherwise. That doesn't mean I'm right by any means.
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The reason Sonic is so discussed is because everyone wants him in brawl. He fits so well with the game. There is a cool Smash Brothers site if you want to go check it out, called the Super Smash Brothers Blog or something.
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...you mean Super Smash Brothers Dojo, am I right?
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Bottom line: Fans have absolutely no idea what is going in and out of the staff's heads. None of the rumors you've heard have any meaning at all. You know who believed a rumor? Romeo. He killed himself shortly afterward.
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Yeah, and the world was rid of another whiney teenager. XD
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Nah Paper Luigi, hold up here is the url
http://smashboards.com/index.php
A lot of people post on it...
Good points everyone, but most people I talk to think Sonic will be in it.
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That site cannot possibly prove that Sonic is going to be in it.
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So what if the majority of people think Sonic will be in it? You know nothing for certain. So, say a million clones of me think that the world will end next week. Does that make it true? But, it just might. You don't know for sure. But neither do I, which is why I am not saying that Sonic will not make it. Jumping to conclusions about what will be known eventually gets you nowhere. You know a wrong conclusion to which the masses once jumped? The idea that Earth was the center of the universe. Galileo was right about Earth revolving around the sun, but they threw him in jail for his insight.
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I guess like a few other things, it requires faith. But I really, REALLY doubt Sonic is going to make it.
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The reason I mentioned the fact that a lot of people want Sonic is that Nintendo is a company. A company that sells products that customers want. Customers (in this case) want Sonic in brawl, in fact a whole group of SEGA fans could be brought on board with this move. Both Miyamoto and Sakurai have said that Sonic would be a great add to Smash Brothers. I see him in it. Also a recent conference is being held on September the 5th by Nintendo to announce information about their games and they have invited two third-party companies along: SEGA (Sonic?) and Capcom (Megaman?)...
I know some of you guys are die-hard nintendo fans and want just nintendo characters but I think you will enjoy the game if they added Sonic, and anyways, you don't have to play him except to unlock features.
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Thanks for listening though... get bored at work and like to keep up with this stuff while I am there.
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I'm all for it man, I think you got some good faith, but with the addition of new characters like Diddy Kong and Pokemon Trainer (without more news about Sonic), it just doesn't seem likely.
But hey, that's what some people say about Jesus, and he's got over 2,000,000,000 people supporting Him around the globe. You may not have that many, but you've still got some fans supporting your claim.
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Bottom line: Fans have absolutely no idea what is going in and out of the staff's heads. None of the rumors you've heard have any meaning at all. You know who believed a rumor? Romeo. He killed himself shortly afterward.
Awesome.
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But hey, that's what some people say about Jesus, and he's got over 2,000,000,000 people supporting Him around the globe. You may not have that many, but you've still got some fans supporting your claim.
Wrong. With Jesus, it's a religious belief that has some evidence to back it up and some illogical things that you just believe. With Sonic in Brawl... That's something that we will see for sure. Whether you believe in him or not... Well, sorry, but your whole comparison is bogus. And you know who compared things that were nothing alike? ...N*SYNC? And they broke up a long time ago and no one remembers them or cares what they're doing now.
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This post will be hilarious to read after the Rapture.
Especially if it happens before Brawl is released.
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Wrong. With Jesus, it's a religious belief that has some evidence to back it up and some illogical things that you just believe. With Sonic in Brawl... That's something that we will see for sure. Whether you believe in him or not... Well, sorry, but your whole comparison is bogus. And you know who compared things that were nothing alike? ...N*SYNC? And they broke up a long time ago and no one remembers them or cares what they're doing now.
Actually, I was more or less comparing the amount of fans supporting volbound's claim to people supporting Jesus' claim (yes, he claimed many things). I probably should've used something else. Like a smaller number.
BTW, I tried to think up all the ames of the N*SYNC members and all I could come up with is Lance Bass.
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I really hope the last two secret characters are Ryu and Ken, just to tick of the two groups of people who believe the Third Party characters must be extremely important to Nintendo's history, and those who want absolutely no clones in Brawl.
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I always thought Ryu and Ken were both clones, I mean, come on! They have the same moves.
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Um... that was the joke.
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Link to IGN which says Sonic is almost a guarantee for brawl
http://wii.ign.com/articles/798/798662p1.html
Site also has very good info about Brawl in general all over it.
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How did this turn into a religious debate btw?
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I don't...believe it has. We're talking about Ken and Ryu now.
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IGN KNOWS NO MORE THAN YOU OR ME. UNDERSTAND THIS.
Can't spell "ignorant" without IGN. I'm not saying Sonic won't be in it because I don't know. That's just IT. NOBODY knows. Also, Pac-Man? What the Taco Bell?
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Dang BP! You posted like 2 seconds right before I edited my post, so when I came back to the topic, your bold, screaming letters scared the crap outta me. Like, you were yelling at me or something. :P
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pac-man was a joke.
Once again, when I make a thinly veiled allegory, people focus on the curtains.
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No offense, but you people take normal threads and spin them into the dumbest arguements sometimes. Just sayin'.
I think Toadsworth could beat out Toad as a contender for the roster. Yes, he's old, (and doesn't really have the right mojo for a fighting game) but he's showing up more nowadays, and he's got more personality than Toad. Now, I don't want to get into the whole "Yoshi and Toad/"Yoshis" and "Toads" as a whole, but it's true. To be honest, I probably wouldn't play as him--and it's nigh-impossible he'll show up--but it's far more credible than some of the other excuses I hear for semi-worthwhile brawlers.
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No offense, but you people take normal threads and spin them into the dumbest arguements sometimes.
Dude, it's a forum board. This kind of thing happens all the time.
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Hey, that source that said Nintendo and SEGA where meeting together was wrong. Nintendo held a meeting that Wednesday and SEGA on that friday... nothing said at all about brawl. Bad Source...
I don't know, IGN usually knows what they are talking about and they mentioned that most those other 3rd parties are probably not going to make it.
IGN's prediction soundly like basically from that article where Bomberman and Sonic.
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And what is your basis for this? There are too supposed to be more third parties' characters, but they probably won't be revealed until after the game is released.
Yes, they have a very little chance (mostly maegaman)but I really don't think that will happen
Balloon Fighter will probably be an assist trophy.
Who will the third parties be then PaperLuigi? There are suppose to be 2 or 3 more. (Of course they could always change there mind).
Go read every board related to SSBB and half of it is will Sonic be in Brawl? Nintendo already acknowledged that he is the most popular pick and notice that him and Mario are now appearing in a game that very well could have been the compromise game to get him into brawl. Not to mention the famous rumor with Melee...
These aren't straight from the creator reports, though. They are mostly probably fan sites.
Wasting time reading a bunch of rabid fanboys on message boards is not my idea of fun, and no one ever said there were supposed to be more third parties in SSBB.
Eh, Sonic should be left out of Brawl just because the quality of Sonic games have come so downhill since 2002 that the series is a shell of it's former self.
And because Sonic was rivaling Mario for years, and Mario is nintendo's main squeeze.
Thank You! Yes, you are correct! Snake is just in it because almost every Metal Gear game was released for some sort of Nintendo console. Sega grouped with other companies because they were desparate, I believe, and they make most of their games for Sony, anyway.
I really hope the last two secret characters are Ryu and Ken, just to tick of the two groups of people who believe the Third Party characters must be extremely important to Nintendo's history, and those who want absolutely no clones in Brawl.
I doubt it...
PS that IGN site is a pack of lies enclosed in bubble wrap. Bomberan, Pac-Man, IVY????
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C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER
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This type of repeated posting is an abomination! Cease and desist, silverstarman!
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Suffix: Ahh sorry. I was kinda just posting random thoughts while reading through the posts.
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Do your random thoughts and responses in one post, please. If you don't want to type the quote stuff and copy their message in, press the quote button, and copy THAT text into your main post.
Thank you.
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I wuld like to see luigi and ganondorf my unlikley character i would like is lord crump
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There were only four Metal Gear games made for Nintendo systems.
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Does that include Snake's Revenge?
Awful.
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I suppose I was counting that, yes.
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Just to tell you, its Krystal not Crystal.
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Sonic and Mega Man have no chance, even though it would be nice.
PWNED
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Hahahahahaha... Yup. Near pre-adolescent voice* and everything, one of those two, at least, has a very real chance of making an appearance.
*I find his demeanor and voice irritating. It doesn't make his moves any less cool, though!
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Which is why I played it safe and said "I don't know for sure." I wasn't saying he for sure wouldn't appear, I was saying that all these people who are saying "Well IGN said, so all these guys are in Brawl" are idiots. If Pac-Man and Bomberman are in Brawl I will eat a dollar bill.
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.smashbros.com%2Fen_us%2Fimages%2Ficon%2Fworld_b_20.gif&hash=1b7bacfcb04fd6cfb88965f66b290a64)
What a narcissistic emblem...
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I remember reading something about the makers of Brawl keeping the 3rd Party characters down to two or three, so there's no guarantee that Sonic will be the final 3rd party character.
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It still seems completely incongruous to include him.
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I had a strong feeling he would be in the game, but I just thought they would throw him in by the end of development.
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You knew that Sonic in Brawl had to happen eventually.
I really like his special move list. Reminds me of the Sonic CD video sequences.
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for those of you who don't know, brawl's been pushed back to feb 10th.
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NOOOO!!!
Where did you find this out?
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Hint: Sakurai announced the delay himself.
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OMG this is terrible!
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Sighhhh... (http://themushroomkingdom.net/board/index.php?topic=9323.msg485386#msg485386)
It's NOT terrible. It's only three freakin' months.
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Sighhhh... (http://themushroomkingdom.net/board/index.php?topic=9323.msg485386#msg485386)
It's NOT terrible. It's only three freakin' months.
Sarcasm. It's still bad though.
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This guy wouldn't know sarcasm if came up and bit him in the face!
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Delays are so bitter sweet. I'd rather play a delayed finished game instead of an rushed, unpollished game. It's the extra wait that people freak out at. I myself freaked out at the delay.
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Now, you see, this is what happens every time there's a delay: 60% freaks, and the other 40% play the "would you rather it was buggy?" card. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that argument--on the contrary, it's entirely rational--but let's look at it from what I think is the point of view of most people: You don't consciously think about the fact that the reason a game has a release date is because they're actually making it, right? To those waiting for a game--be it Brawl, or anything else--in-between when you realize the game exists and when it comes out, it's in some mystical limbo where the game is as it will be, but is sitting on a shelf in a faraway land until it ships to GameStop or Babbages or what-have-you. It's the same mindset that makes it possible for the tots to believe that Santa Claus can deliver stuff to every kid on the planet.
So I guess what I'm trying to say is, unless hundreds of swamped programmers spring to mind every time you thing about the release date of a game, you're never truly prepared to accept a delay with a clear head.
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Sorry, but it's pretty clear that they want more time to work on it. Take a look at the snapshot update, for example. There's something else that needs to be programmed and may not be in the final cut at all. And they aren't done with Sonic yet. I'm actually pretty amazed it only took two and a half years to turn Super Smash Bros. into Super Smash Bros. Melee.
Delays: This is why we CAN have nice things!
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No kidding. That's what they said actually. They also probably want that time to sweep up any mistakes or add on soe more, smaller features if they have the time.
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I'm predicting that the secret snapshot feature is Photo Channel-type doodling on the pictures, but can also include any stickers you've gotten. Either that, or the snapshots are actually 3D, and can be rotated at any time, with the ability to set default angles for each so that you can still have classic 2D snapshots. If the pictures are saved in a non-exportable format, it would probably take up a reasonable amount of space, since it would just be storing a set of coordinates, and hopefully there would also be an option to convert a view of a shot to a JPEG and save it to an SD card and upload it to TMK.
Run-on sentences are your friends.
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BWAHAHAHAHA!
This truly shows Nintendo's superiority! 10 Years ago, Sonic was Mario's most powerful rival. Now, we get to see who really wins (mario) because now he's in SSBB!!
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No. Just no.
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10 years ago!?! Way longer than that. Theyv'e been rivals for about 16 years.
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Now, we get to see who really wins (mario) because now he's in SSBB!!
This statement holds no truth whatsoever because in SSBB the characters are controlled by people, not the characters themselves.
(And before anyone comments on what I said in the "Sonic in Brawl" topic, read what I said on it's second page).
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Sorry this is late and don't me to rub it in, but Sonic made it. Appears IGN knew what they were talking about. IGN also hints Tails will be in it.
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No. They just made a lucky guess.
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Haha I said that Sonic is gonna be in it because there's such a large freaking demand for it. I guess I can use my logic to predict things, and I'm only fifteen years old. IGN is made up of a ton of people, so I think at least one of them realized that Sonic's huge demand seals him a part in Brawl. Also, welcome to 8 days ago.
Additionally, I was sad to see that Little Mac is only an assist trophy. He would have made an awesome character.
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The Challenger from Super Punch-Out would've probably been better, since he actually has more moves, and appeared in Fight Night 2 under the name "Little Mac". Guess that doesn't mean anything now.
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Well, Little Mac is an Assist Trophy now...