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Video Games => Mario Chat => Topic started by: Nintendoobsessed on November 13, 2007, 01:47:54 PM
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I don't expect anyone to choose Option 4, but just in case...
I like Super Mario Galaxy the most, more then 64 strangely.
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Sunshine, while still half decent, is at the bottom of my list, while SM64 is quite high. I can't vote yet, though, because I've played Galaxy for like 10 minutes.Still, it's gonna have to be one heck of a game to beat 64.
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Super Mario 64 is at the top, with Sunshine in 2nd. I have a Wii, but I haven't gotten Mario Galaxy...yet.
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I can't choose... They all have their huge ups and downs.
I'm only 31 stars into Galaxy, but I already miss Sunshine's Mario Tornado, and diving and attacking. While sunshine is missing the quintessential long-jump. Sunshine has Yoshi and FLUDD is pretty sweet too, but sunshine is lacking power-ups.
After I ebat Galaxy I'll think about it real hard and weigh the pros and cons. Galaxy looks really auspicious though. We'll see how it turns out.
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I haven't gotten far enough into Galaxy to make my final decision.
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This is a "trilogy?"
Galaxy will probably come out on top. I'm liking it so far. I can safely say it's forty or fifty times as good as Sunshine (hard to do in the first place?). In the end I may decide SM64 meant more to me when I was little.
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"Trilogy"?
I liked SM64 but never really liked its clunky controls.
I liked Sunshine a lot.
I have yet to insert Galaxy into my Wii.
... Trilogy. Hahahahahahaha.
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I hated Mario Sunshine. Mario 64 was an AWSOME game. I have yet to try Galaxy, but I'll probably go out and buy it tommorow.
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If you want, I can add Super Mario 64 DS if anyone prefers that one over the others. Anyone...?
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I have yet to play any of them except Mario 64(never owned it though and didn't beat it all the way). I own Galaxy (just not located where I have wii and galaxy right now). Mario 64 was very fun.
However, Super Mario Brothers 3 is the best Mario game I ever played. Galaxy looks like it could compete with it.
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O btw the Trilogy is officially: Super Mario Brothers, Super Mario Brothers 2 (Doki Doki Panic), Super Mario Brothers 3. However, Mario is more then a trilogy :).
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What about Super Mario Bros. 2 (Super Mario Bros. 2)?
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My vote's for Galaxy. Who would get tired of jumping from planet to planet.
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For now I'll go for SM64,as I haven't played Galaxy yet (and won't get the chance to untill tomorrow).
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Super Mario Galaxy. I got it 2 days ago and I love it. Great graphics, new gameplay, all Mario's best moves, some cool features from Mario Sunshine, and, of course, Luigi as a playable and non-playable character!
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Luigi is also the most annoying character in the game because he can't get a star without getting lost.
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Luigi as a playable and non-playable character
Doublethink!!!
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As is probably the case with most, I have a hard time deciding. Still, I think I'll take SM64.
SMS takes a lot of flak, but it's not that bad. Still, I missed the themed variety of SM64 worlds--and their size, too.
SMG... I dunno. It's fun, and all, but the stages are too linear.
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SMG... I dunno. It's fun, and all, but the stages are too linear.
Sounds like my type of game. :) Now if Nintendo would just hurry up and lower the Wii's price...
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Still, I missed the themed variety of SM64 worlds--and their size, too.
Super Mario Galaxy has tons of themed varieties. Practically no galaxies are the same.
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Not ALL the stages are linear. Most of the ones with multiple planetoids are, but a few galaxies are large areas not unlike areas in Super Mario 64 (the Honeyhive Galaxy is kind of like the big floating island that many SM64 levels were with normal gravity, for example) with a few little planetoids around them accessed via cannon.
One big plus SMG has is three Bowser battles. Remember in Super Mario 64 when you had Bowser in the Dark World, then in the Fire Sea, and finally in the Sky? Super Mario Galaxy has a similar setup--you'll fight him three times, defeating him in a similar manner every time.
It's close between 64 and Galaxy. I think I'll have to go with Galaxy for the many many galaxies. Looking back, playing the same level six (eight or even TEN in Sunshine!!) times got pretty boring. Galaxy has you play the same level three or four times or less, often not going the same path, and then you move on. Later, you'll come back to those galaxies to play for a star triggered by the "Prankster Comet" or bumbling Luigi.
And. Powerups. The one mentioned but not named in TMK's review: the best.
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I like Bird Person's thinking. I think that SMG did a great job of trying out a lot of new stuff while also sticking to the great design of the original Mario platformers.
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O btw the Trilogy is officially: Super Mario Brothers, Super Mario Brothers 2 (Doki Doki Panic), Super Mario Brothers 3. However, Mario is more then a trilogy :).
In fact, the 'real' trilogy was Super Mario Bros, Super Mario Bros. 2 and Super Mario Bros. 3. The Doki Doki Panic version of SMB2 that you mention is part of the European and American trilogy. The Japanese SMB2 was the best SMB2. Unfortunately, the ROM is difficult to find, but that can't be helped.
Just thought I'd mention. I always like to think that the official is the 'original' official, which in this case is the Japanese official.
Anyway, I voted Super Mario 64. I like that one, as it reminds me of the 2D games because of the power-ups. It's certainly a classic.
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Unfortunately, the ROM is difficult to find, but that can't be helped.
No it isn't. SMB2J is on Virtual Console.
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I suppose that's handy, but it's hard to find on the internet (or it was last time I checked).
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Super Mario Galaxy has tons of themed varieties. Practically no galaxies are the same.
I was referring to SMS when I said that (and yes, I think SMG has plenty of great "themed" galaxies, but... "Space Junk Galaxy"?)
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I suppose that's handy, but it's hard to find on the internet (or it was last time I checked).
Virtual Console games are bought and downloaded over the Internet. ;)
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From quite a while ago, I remember searching quite a while on the computer's internet for that ROM. Well, I suppose the Google search results have changed.
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O btw the Trilogy is officially: Super Mario Brothers, Super Mario Brothers 2 (Doki Doki Panic), Super Mario Brothers 3. However, Mario is more then a trilogy :).
... The trilogy I'm refering to is the 3-D Action/Platform Mario games.
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Yeah, that one doesn't exist either.
SamBeckett94, it is not difficult to find the FDS ROM image, however I will not talk about that.
Virtual Console is definitely the way to go.
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I searched again, you're right, it's not hard to find anymore. Took a while to find the FDS bios, but that doesn't matter.
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Currently a tie between SM64 and SMG. I'll have to wait a few years to see how well SMG withstands the tests of time.
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In fact, the 'real' trilogy was Super Mario Bros, Super Mario Bros. 2 and Super Mario Bros. 3. The Doki Doki Panic version of SMB2 that you mention is part of the European and American trilogy. The Japanese SMB2 was the best SMB2. Unfortunately, the ROM is difficult to find, but that can't be helped.
Just thought I'd mention. I always like to think that the official is the 'original' official, which in this case is the Japanese official.
Anyway, I voted Super Mario 64. I like that one, as it reminds me of the 2D games because of the power-ups. It's certainly a classic.
Yes but this is an English/American site and therefore SMB2 (American) is a part of the trilogy since the other one was only release in Japan and basically is SMB1 just different levels and maybe a couple of new items.
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It's been released here thrice. And even once in its original form!
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I like them all...
Super Mario 64 was good, yet it bores me when I think of its obscure levels and hub. (You feel trapped inside a castle)
Super Mario Sunshine was awesome. A bit boring, but still awesome.
Super Mario Galaxy is perfect. I beat it already (Yes, my file is sparkling, therefore I beat it completely), and it hints at a sequel. Nice too.
I voted Galaxy. It's fun, pure Mario and...epic!
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Yes but this is an English/American site and therefore SMB2 (American) is a part of the trilogy since the other one was only release in Japan and basically is SMB1 just different levels and maybe a couple of new items.
All I was getting at was that the Japanese trilogy is the original. If the American/European trilogy wasn't referred to as the original trilogy, I would have said nothing.
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All I was getting at was that the Japanese trilogy is the original. If the American/European trilogy wasn't referred to as the original trilogy, I would have said nothing.
In Japan, the Japanese trilogy is the original.
In American, the American trilogy is the original.
However, SMB2 Japan is basically SMB1 with a couple of new items and enemies.
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Aside from the fact that it has more levels and that all of its levels are different from the previous game. And that Luigi as a playable character changes the mechanics of the game. Yeah, you sure do know your facts.
SamBeckett94 is correct.
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Aside from the fact that it has more levels and that all of its levels are different from the previous game. And that Luigi as a playable character changes the mechanics of the game. Yeah, you sure do know your facts.
SamBeckett94 is correct.
Luigi is playable in SMB1. Still the same template though. Just like Doom 1 and Doom 2 for computer. Doom 2 had about 8 new enemies, different levels, one new weapon, and some other stuff but basically it ran off the same templates.
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It ran off a modified version of the SMB engine. Mario's physics, the items, the enemies, and the way enemies react are pretty much the only "templates" from the original as far as gameplay goes. Luigi is radically different in SMB2J, thus your point about Luigi being playable in SMB is moot. Not to mention SMB2J is a much harder and in my opinion better game than SMB.
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It ran off a modified version of the SMB engine. Mario's physics, the items, the enemies, and the way enemies react are pretty much the only "templates" from the original as far as gameplay goes. Luigi is radically different in SMB2J, thus your point about Luigi being playable in SMB is moot. Not to mention SMB2J is a much harder and in my opinion better game than SMB.
It is harder, but it is still very much the same template and basically the same game, only with minor tweaks and changes.
SMB2 American was a totally new experience, nothing like SMB1. It was unique and still is in the Mario series.
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Also my main point was that in America and Europe, the original trilogy was SMB1, SMB 2 American, SMB 3 because we did not get to see SMB2J until All-Stars on the SNES.
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"Basically the same game" is wildly inaccurate. "Minor tweaks and changes" implies that the majority of the game is the same as the first, which is also completely wrong. The levels are all different.
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Also my main point was that in America and Europe, the original trilogy was SMB1, SMB 2 American, SMB 3 because we did not get to see SMB2J until All-Stars on the SNES.
No, there was no European or American original trilogy. There was only the real original trilogy. As SMB2J came out before SMB2 USA in Japan, the Japanese trilogy is the original. The European and American trilogy was not the original. There can be only one original.
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"Basically the same game" is wildly inaccurate. "Minor tweaks and changes" implies that the majority of the game is the same as the first, which is also completely wrong. The levels are all different.
True but they still have all the same template. You can now get level editors on P.C.s and make your own Mario Brothers levels. Does that make it and entirely different game?
However, the argument was that America did not get this game on the NES... so growing up in the NES age, the trilogy to everyone around was Mario Brothers 1, Mario Brothers 2 American, Mario Brothers 3. In America in late 80s and early 90s if you were to say Mario Brothers Trilogy, that was what it was.
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No one ever said "Mario Brothers Trilogy."
Entirely different game? Yes, check out something like Strange Mario Bros. and tell me it's not entirely different from SMB, despite using the same engine.
Just because a game runs on the same engine does not mean it is the same game.
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No one ever said "Mario Brothers Trilogy."
Entirely different game? Yes, check out something like Strange Mario Bros. and tell me it's not entirely different from SMB, despite using the same engine.
Just because a game runs on the same engine does not mean it is the same game.
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It is obvious you have no clue what I am talking about because you were not alive during the NES era. NES and SEGA Genesis where my era. I even remember seeing the Mario Cartoons come on in the morning. Mario and Sonic the Hedgehog both had cartoon series. As I stated earlier: In that era if you said Mario brothers trilogy or all three of the Marios you were referring to Mario Brothers 1, SMB 2 American, and SMB 3 because Super Mario Brothers Japan did not exist in the United States during that era. Also as some people put it referring to Lost Levels on SNES, it is nothing more then an expansion of the original SMB1. (Back then we didn't have large Mario Sites that explained that was the game in Japan and we could care less whether it was the second Mario in Japan or not, SMB 2 was the American version in America. No one I knew refered to the Japanese version as SMB 2). It is no wonder I have problems talking to people on this board, none of you probably have even seen an NES or SEGA Genesis.
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Well, I recall that the Mario Mania player's guide (circa 1991) explained pretty well about the whole SMB2 Japan business. So we didn't even need websites to tell us since Nintendo told us themselves. I know you said that if someone said that in the early 90s that's what they were referring to, but I never heard anyone refer to the 3 American NES games as "the trilogy". And I'm still going to call your "expansion" terminology completely inaccurate since it's a sequel and not a new level pack for the first game or something. I understand what you're trying to talk about but the fact is I've never seen anyone but you say any of this stuff, and for the record, I was quite alive during the NES era.
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Also, volbound, your final sentence used a comma splice.
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It is obvious you have no clue what I am talking about because you were not alive during the NES era. NES and SEGA Genesis where my era. I even remember seeing the Mario Cartoons come on in the morning. Mario and Sonic the Hedgehog both had cartoon series. As I stated earlier: In that era if you said Mario brothers trilogy or all three of the Marios you were referring to Mario Brothers 1, SMB 2 American, and SMB 3 because Super Mario Brothers Japan did not exist in the United States during that era. Also as some people put it referring to Lost Levels on SNES, it is nothing more then an expansion of the original SMB1. (Back then we didn't have large Mario Sites that explained that was the game in Japan and we could care less whether it was the second Mario in Japan or not, SMB 2 was the American version in America. No one I knew refered to the Japanese version as SMB 2). It is no wonder I have problems talking to people on this board, none of you probably have even seen an NES or SEGA Genesis.
Excuse me, I'm 37. I bought one when I was sixteen. Do you remember Magnum P.I's first broadcast? I think not (even though that is not relevant.)
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Well, I recall that the Mario Mania player's guide (circa 1991) explained pretty well about the whole SMB2 Japan business. So we didn't even need websites to tell us since Nintendo told us themselves. I know you said that if someone said that in the early 90s that's what they were referring to, but I never heard anyone refer to the 3 American NES games as "the trilogy". And I'm still going to call your "expansion" terminology completely inaccurate since it's a sequel and not a new level pack for the first game or something. I understand what you're trying to talk about but the fact is I've never seen anyone but you say any of this stuff, and for the record, I was quite alive during the NES era.
SMB 2 Japan is the first game, there are no new templates at all for that game. BTW most people didn't have Mario Mania's player guide. Everyone I talked to back then refered to the Mario trilogy or the three Marios as the American Marios. People on this site are the first people I have ever seen challenge it. So I guess we are in the same position just opposite points of view.
Then again, almost everyone around me is not as big of Mario fans I assume as you guys and don't care about research or about what games where in Japan or America. They just played NES for fun.
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Your "template" business makes it clear that you do not understand how games are designed and programmed. Compare this with, say, the Mega Man series. I assume you will say that Mega Man 1 through 6 are all the same game as well because they share common sprites and basic gameplay mechanics, despite the fact that there are many aspects that separate each game from the others. Please explain your reasoning, at least as far as your Mario pronouncements are concerned.
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It is obvious you have no clue what I am talking about because you were not alive during the NES era.
Neither were you, so stop pretending you're 23.
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Your "template" business makes it clear that you do not understand how games are designed and programmed. Compare this with, say, the Mega Man series. I assume you will say that Mega Man 1 through 6 are all the same game as well because they share common sprites and basic gameplay mechanics, despite the fact that there are many aspects that separate each game from the others. Please explain your reasoning, at least as far as your Mario pronouncements are concerned.
They don't share the same templates... have you played Megaman 1-6, they look totally like different games.
In SMB II Lost Levels, the intro looks just like SMB 1, all the levels have the same design, only thing that is rearrange is blocks, enemies, pipes, etc.
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My whole point was that NO ONE IN AMERICA could play SMB 2 JAPAN until it appeared on SNES as LOST LEVELS. Therefore in America, Super Mario Brothers 2 was the American version, that is why it has Super Mario Brothers 2 on the cartridge.
I am done arguing with you guys. Obviously you have rock for brains.
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I actually love 'em all, but if I have to choose one, well, I already did, it was Super Mario Galaxy.