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Title: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: ShadowBrain on December 13, 2007, 07:00:28 PM
What are some mentalities you just don't get? Now I don't mean, like, being pro-this or anti-that--or liking PS3 instead of Wii, or something--but just... mindsets that you seriously can't even pretend to have (try to keep the flaming to a minimum).

What I don't get is how anyone could enjoy the Saw movies. That, and how we're somehow expected to not laugh at that McDonalds ads where they make working there sound like it's the most heartwarming, family-pleasing job in the world.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: PaperLuigi on December 13, 2007, 07:20:58 PM
Nice topic.

I don't understand how anybody could be mean to someone just to be mean. I knew this girl in my orchestra who was just awful to me and I could never understand why. Does it take extra energy to be nice or something?

I also can't understand why anybody would want to do drugs. Sure, the pressures of life get tough sometimes, but do they not know of the people who took drugs in the past? The ads for anti-drugs don't really help either. They should use something like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVRO_a6pQB8) more often! Viewer beware, it isn't the most extreme thing you'll ever see, but it is a tad different then your crappy run of the mill commercial.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Glorb on December 14, 2007, 03:13:11 PM
That commercial was rad. I hide my drugs there all the time.

I just don't get why people take sides in the "console wars". That's like being loyal to one TV maufacturer or something. If you spend $500 on a PS3 because it's a PlayStation, then that's monumentally stupid.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: PaperLuigi on December 14, 2007, 03:23:55 PM
I don't get why people think that Mario and Sonic are "enemies". Sure, they belonged to competing companies back in the day, but that ended so very long ago and to me it's rather stupid to think that the two hate each other. They're video game characters for gosh sakes!
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: ShadowBrain on December 14, 2007, 07:23:26 PM
^ One's red, one's blue; how much simpler can it get? ;)

I seriously want to know what's going on in the heads of people at my school when they take a dump the size of God in the toilet and then just leave it there.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Mr. Wiggles on December 14, 2007, 07:24:45 PM
I don't get why people treat the internet like such serious business. I mean, when I see some guy post on a message board and is deliberately posting in a different style to bring humor to those around them, I find myself laughing, yet others will claim he's being a troll or is disrupting an important issue. It's like no one has a sense of humor anymore, or they waste it on something as worthless as Caturday.
I don't understand how anybody could be mean to someone just to be mean. I knew this girl in my orchestra who was just awful to me and I could never understand why. Does it take extra energy to be nice or something?

Maybe she liked you and she didn't want it to show?
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Vidgmchtr on December 14, 2007, 07:34:13 PM
^ One's red, one's blue; how much simpler can it get? ;)

I seriously want to know what's going on in the heads of people at my school when they take a dump the size of God in the toilet and then just leave it there.

The not flushing is one thing, but what REALLY annoys me is when I see people leaving the bathroom without washing their hands. That's just terrible, and makes me want to shake hands with people less and less.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: PaperLuigi on December 14, 2007, 07:34:37 PM
Maybe she liked you and she didn't want it to show?

Nope, she had a boyfriend at the time. Being a jerk to me is not the way to win me over anyway. I'm looking for a woman that is friendly and kind to not only me but others around her.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: ShadowBrain on December 14, 2007, 09:31:53 PM
^ Amen, bro.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: PaperLuigi on December 14, 2007, 09:36:49 PM
Which brings me to my next point: Why do cute girls find jacka** guys attractive? Being mean, to me, is a huge turn off. I guess it's different since I'm a guy and not a girl, but I still don't see why girls like mean guys.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: ShadowBrain on December 14, 2007, 09:50:49 PM
My dad (or someone) says it's just their "bad boy" phase of sorts... Trust me, the right girl (or guy) is out there for all of us.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Linkin800 on December 14, 2007, 10:06:35 PM
The not flushing is one thing, but what REALLY annoys me is when I see people leaving the bathroom without washing their hands. That's just terrible, and makes me want to shake hands with people less and less.

If you think thats wrong you should see some of the kids at my school. They dont flush, wipe they're butts AND dont wash thier hands. And Thier not Super Special Dogs either.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Vidgmchtr on December 14, 2007, 10:31:45 PM
Which brings me to my next point: Why do cute girls find jacka** guys attractive? Being mean, to me, is a huge turn off. I guess it's different since I'm a guy and not a girl, but I still don't see why girls like mean guys.

Here, read this editorial I wrote on that exact topic. (http://Vidgmchtr.deviantart.com/art/Nice-guys-65103196) They want nice guys, but they just can't seem to find them in the type of guys they're looking for. So, they must settle on the jerks.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: PaperLuigi on December 14, 2007, 10:40:27 PM
This article definitely applied to me in the past, and probably even today. Sadly, I feel like I may be doing the same thing when it comes to women. I always try to find the pretty ones without finding out about their attitude, which is (more often than not) sour.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: BP on December 14, 2007, 11:06:23 PM
I don't get why people swear five times in every sentence nowadays. There is no excuse.
I don't get why people in general are so homophobic, or why "gay" is a derogatory remark. "You threw away your fries? Dude, that's gay, I would've eaten them." What part of throwing out French fries relates to homosexuality?
I don't get it. Why don't you talk anymore, Red?
I don't get ghetto people. Weren't athletic enough make it to jock level, weren't smart enough to make it to nerd level, weren't awesome enough to make it to dork or gamer level, and being emo (I don't get emos either but whatever) took too much effort, so, you made up a new caste? You could sell your bling and maybe get a Game Boy or something, if yo stopped talkin' laik dis and smiled more often we might accept you...
I don't get why people pound the gas pedal while parked, or going slowly through a parking lot. What are you proving? "My truck can contribute to air pollution faster than yours?" "I can disrupt more people's conversations than you?"
I don't get why solar panels and electric cars aren't more popular.
I don't get why my peers are all "eeeeeeeek" about finals. It's just high school, and they're multiple choice questions.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: WarpRattler on December 14, 2007, 11:09:02 PM
I don't get it.
Hart = male deer. Gah!
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Vidgmchtr on December 15, 2007, 12:44:33 AM
I don't get why people insist on pouring milk into their cereal. It just makes it soggy and disgusting.

Is it to save time or something by consuming both food and drink at the same time? I'm pretty sure Breakfast was SUPPOSED to be a meal where you could relax and take your time as you just got out of bed and want to take things slowly.

(Personally, I'm not a big milk drinker in the morning, I usually drink OJ or water instead.)
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Chupperson Weird on December 15, 2007, 12:46:29 AM
Uhhh? Cereal is designed to have milk poured on it... and your claim of sogginess does not apply to all cereals.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: PaperLuigi on December 15, 2007, 12:50:02 AM
I don't get why people insist on pouring milk into their cereal. It just makes it soggy and disgusting.

Finally, someone else who thinks milk on cereal is disgusting.

I don't get why people think it's gross to eat cereal dry. Milk (in my opinion) adds virtually no taste whatsoever. Yes, it's true that some cereals retain their shape and structure when milk is poured on them, but milk doesn't really add to the overall value of the taste.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Chupperson Weird on December 15, 2007, 01:05:46 AM
I like to eat some cereals dry as a snack, but definitely with milk when eating as a meal. Because that's what you freakin' do with cereal. And it actually does make it more  accommodating to your mouth when it doesn't suck up all the saliva and make it hard to even swallow. Not to mention that the milk isn't to "add to" the taste, even though it does, since milk has a taste.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: penguinwizard on December 15, 2007, 03:57:03 AM
I don't get why:

- The lousy videogames are big sellers (well, okay, any games based on licenses at least) and the innovative great videogames aren't.

- The PS2 game "Okami" sold terribly in Japan. Just unbelievable.

- How some chocolate is somehow different when getting them in the bags, where each piece is individually packaged (and usually fun-size). For Butterfingers in a bag, they're hard as a rock. For Reeses peanut butter cups, they're WET on the undersides. Maybe it's just the particular bags I was getting, but why should that ever happen anyway?

- There isn't some sort of protection or second chance for students who panic from not knowing what to expect on exams. I don't care if it's "cheating" by knowing exactly what to study and what not to study, just give us an idea of what's in store.

- For that matter, I'd like to throw a Spiny at my teacher for issuing a final exam that was nothing but essay questions. It takes time to write those out. Having to do 15 of these in two hours is just not fair. And then on top of that, formatting your entire document according to good design principles... Frith! Not cool!

- There aren't any movie-maker programs (that I know of) that accept both Windows Media formats (AVI, MPEG, WMV) and QuickTime formats (MOV, MP4, QT). I shouldn't have to keep my video collection in one format or the other.

- A Rubik's Cube cartoon ever existed. I'm not kidding, a cartoon about a frickin' Rubik's cube. Look it up.

- To quote Andy Rooney, or at least what an impressionist doing Andy Rooney said, "why do they sterilize needles before giving lethal injections?"
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: oldskoolplayer on December 15, 2007, 06:42:56 AM
Why do we drive in parkways and park in driveways?
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: ShadowBrain on December 15, 2007, 08:47:25 AM
I don't get why people swear five times in every sentence nowadays. There is no excuse. I don't get why people in general are so homophobic, or why "gay" is a derogatory remark.
Both seconded. Additionally, why is pretending to be gay funny? Maybe it's just at my school, but breaking in and out of a lisp for no reason is somehow hilarious. Maybe it's a joke I'm not in on, but for someone who's sexuality has been called into question by (idiot) classmates on various occasions, I really don't see the humor in it.

Here, read this editorial I wrote on that exact topic. (http://Vidgmchtr.deviantart.com/art/Nice-guys-65103196) They want nice guys, but they just can't seem to find them in the type of guys they're looking for. So, they must settle on the jerks.
No, 98% of the time, they want hot, nice guys, but few exist, so they go to Plan B: Date a d**k. If the majority of the girls at my school based romance on niceties alone, I probably wouldn't be able to keep them off of me...
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: PaperLuigi on December 15, 2007, 09:50:58 AM
- The lousy videogames are big sellers (well, okay, any games based on licenses at least) and the innovative great videogames aren't.

Seconded. A huge example of this is when Jaws, one of the worst video games of 2005, outsold the critically acclaimed Psychonauts. Really, I don't get it either, and it shows that a lot of so-called "gamers" will settle for mediocrity over innovation. I feel really sorry for the people that work so hard to create a masterpiece only to find that their game didn’t sell too well with the public.

No, 98% of the time, they want hot, nice guys, but few exist, so they go to Plan B: Date a d**k. If the majority of the girls at my school based romance on niceties alone, I probably wouldn't be able to keep them off of me...

Actually, that's pretty much what he said in the article. :P
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Vidgmchtr on December 15, 2007, 11:41:11 AM
No, 98% of the time, they want hot, nice guys,
You should read the editorial, as that's EXACTLY what I say in it. You're not disagreeing with me, despite what you're thinking.
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but few exist, so they go to Plan B: Date a d**k. If the majority of the girls at my school based romance on niceties alone, I probably wouldn't be able to keep them off of me...
I'm not talking about school girls, I'm talking about the majority of women aged in the 20-35 range. The women YOU'RE thinking of are middle/high school students and a small amount of college students.

You've yet to touch into adult life, child.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: MaxVance on December 15, 2007, 01:36:13 PM
You've yet to touch into adult life, child.
And you have much more than ShadowBrain? Last time I checked, you're only 2 years and 7 months older than he is.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Vidgmchtr on December 15, 2007, 01:50:06 PM
Did I ever say I was?

But I was in classes with women who ARE in that age range who talk like that. College contains students of all ages, remember that.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: ShadowBrain on December 15, 2007, 03:19:44 PM
You should read the editorial, as that's EXACTLY what I say in it. You're not disagreeing with me, despite what you're thinking.
You're right, I wasn't--I was elaborating on what you said. You said "nice" guys, I said "hot and nice". I mean, I didn't read the "editorial", so if it's in there, then sorry.

And since I obviously couldn't tell that you were referring to grown women and not sophmore preppies, then I've just acquired a very depressing outlook on what I'm going to have to deal with even when I graduate...
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Presidente on December 15, 2007, 03:55:23 PM
I don't get girls.  I like girls, I just don't get them.  How there mind works makes absolutely no sense.

Both seconded. Additionally, why is pretending to be gay funny? Maybe it's just at my school, but breaking in and out of a lisp for no reason is somehow hilarious. Maybe it's a joke I'm not in on, but for someone who's sexuality has been called into question by (idiot) classmates on various occasions, I really don't see the humor in it.

I have a kid in my class who no one likes because they all think he's gay.  He acts gay all the time and claims that "being gay and acting gay are totally different" in my opinion there isn't much difference.



Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Vidgmchtr on December 15, 2007, 04:02:14 PM
I don't get girls.  I like girls, I just don't get them.  How there mind works makes absolutely no sense.

I have a kid in my class who no one likes because they all think he's gay.  He acts gay all the time and claims that "being gay and acting gay are totally different" in my opinion there isn't much difference.

I'd say there is. Many homosexuals don't display the common stereotypes.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: PaperLuigi on December 15, 2007, 04:24:54 PM
Being gay and acting gay ARE two totally different things, Presidente. I act gay all the time just to be funny, and the last time I checked I was a heterosexual.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Vidgmchtr on December 15, 2007, 04:28:55 PM
A couple of my friends liked to "act gay" a few times, until they learned I was gay myself, and then they stopped, even though I didn't really have problems with it in the first place.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Glorb on December 15, 2007, 04:31:41 PM
As a joke once, my gay friend started acting out straight stereotypes, which consisted of punching stuff and cussing a lot. I thought it was fairly funny, mostly because he rarely punches stuff or cusses.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: The Chef on December 15, 2007, 04:56:42 PM
A couple of my friends liked to "act gay" a few times, until they learned I was gay myself, and then they stopped, even though I didn't really have problems with it in the first place.

Wait.....you're gay?
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Vidgmchtr on December 15, 2007, 05:03:30 PM
You couldn't figure that out from the post?
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: ShadowBrain on December 15, 2007, 05:47:22 PM
Wait.....you're gay?
Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Are there any gay guys who say "that's straight" when they hate something? I figured somebody could clarify that, given the current circumstances.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Presidente on December 15, 2007, 06:10:41 PM
Then why do people mimic it if no homosexuals actually display it?
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Vidgmchtr on December 15, 2007, 06:24:40 PM
Because that's how they think we act, and some people do act like that, but that's just a very small portion of homosexuals.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Presidente on December 15, 2007, 06:29:11 PM
Oh, I see.  Wow.  My view of homosexuals was pretty messed up until now.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Vidgmchtr on December 15, 2007, 06:33:08 PM
Well, it's always nice to learn a new thing about people.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Presidente on December 15, 2007, 06:34:29 PM
Yeah, I know.  That's why I just edited my post.  I didn't read your post above.  Sorry about that.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Vidgmchtr on December 15, 2007, 06:35:44 PM
And that's why I edited mine.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Lizard Dude on December 15, 2007, 06:41:20 PM
You've yet to touch into adult life, child.
Dude, you live with your parents. You don't have a driver's license. Shut the frack up!
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Vidgmchtr on December 15, 2007, 06:47:10 PM
Dude, you live with your parents.
So does my brother, and he's 22 and works at a bank AND another store on the side. Your point? 
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You don't have a driver's license.
What are you talking about? I have a license. I got it a couple of months ago. Once I got it I started going out a lot more.
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Shut the frack up!
With the points I just gave, I don't want to.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Lizard Dude on December 15, 2007, 07:09:38 PM
Okay, then give me more advice for attracting 20-35 year old women, please. I'll try out whatever you say and report back to the forums. We could even make a new thread: "Dating Older Women with Vid and LD".
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Vidgmchtr on December 15, 2007, 07:17:17 PM
That editorial of mine is pretty much my limit of knowledge on most women, unfortunately. Being a homosexual I'd rather not do further research. =P

If you'd like to make a new thread about dating older women by yourself, by all means, go ahead.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: The Chef on December 15, 2007, 09:36:57 PM
You've never really discussed your love life before, Vid. There wasn't anything that could've tipped us off to you being gay. If anything, I thought you were an asexual other-worldy being who has evolved beyond the human concept of romance. :P
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Vidgmchtr on December 15, 2007, 10:14:44 PM
Never thought of it as that important for this place, really. =P

Actually, I WAS going to out myself when CTOAN was nearing his boiling point about that whole thing with the child he was bullying for being gay, but he got banned before I got the chance. *shrug*

You know, kind of make him learn something the hard way?

Since that never happened, I waited for a time when someone would strongly speak out against homosexuals, saw that that hasn't been happening for awhile, and I guess a couple of days ago decided to out myself whenever the topic came up again, be it strongly negative or in a neutral manner.

But, there ARE some people who have known about my sexual orientation for a good while now. They may raise their hands if they'd like.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Mr. Wiggles on December 16, 2007, 08:54:07 PM
Speaking of women problems...

I really hate the mindset that corporations take when they want to reach out to my demographic. I'll objectify a women when I feel it's proper or warranted and not when Spike TV wants me to think video games aren't cool enough to get over on their own. Not all awesome heroes need to wield a gun to seem cool, I never invite my friends over to play something worthless like Madden and Guitar Hero, Mountain Dew is not my choice of drink when it comes to doing anything, and I HATE it when they assume every guy is into football enough to try and go up against professional athletes.

Yeah, I ended up watching (part of) the Spike TV VGAs. It was a boring Sunday and I was flipping between that and the Tila Tequila reality tv show because I was bored.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Chupperson Weird on December 16, 2007, 09:24:58 PM
What I want to know is how Spike TV declared themselves any kind of authority to give out video game awards at all. I mean, where did that even come from?
P.S. Sports games should be relegated to some other weird category and never be recognized as proper video games. Because they're not.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Lizard Dude on December 16, 2007, 09:51:11 PM
Yeah it's called a genre.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: MEGAߥTE on December 16, 2007, 09:55:54 PM
I would argue that sports games have always been a major driving force, even back in the early 80s.  Heck, even the first video game was a sports game.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: ShadowBrain on December 16, 2007, 10:42:38 PM
Just spotted this above this thread on the "Ads by Google" bar. Don't shoot the messenger...

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Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: MEGAߥTE on December 16, 2007, 10:49:41 PM
Well, at least we know the context-sensitivity is still working.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: ShadowBrain on December 16, 2007, 10:54:43 PM
Yeah, that's what I figured it was, though I don't recall anyone on here talking about, uh, manual stimulation.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: BP on December 17, 2007, 12:01:42 AM
I don't get what's so hard about downloading Firefox and adblock.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: SolidShroom on December 17, 2007, 12:27:32 AM
Firefox Adblock still doesn't stop non-image ads, like flash ads (which, coincidentally, are the most annoying).
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: MEGAߥTE on December 17, 2007, 12:36:13 AM
Uh, yes it does.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: MaxVance on December 17, 2007, 06:48:24 AM
If all of us had Firefox and adblock then this (http://themushroomkingdom.net/board/index.php?topic=10571.0) would have never happened. Kontek would also run out of money and would shut down, unless I am underestimating the number of unregistered visitors to TMK and the FF each day.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: ShadowBrain on December 17, 2007, 07:47:21 AM
^ Do you mean "Kontek would shut down" or "shut us down"?
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Vidgmchtr on December 17, 2007, 11:52:21 AM
Just spotted this above this thread on the "Ads by Google" bar. Don't shoot the messenger...

Men Jacking Off Men
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*chuckle*

Honestly though, I do not see these on my browser, and did not think that'd happen. I'm quite glad my style sheet blocks most things like Google ads.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Koopaslaya on December 17, 2007, 01:42:38 PM
This is half WTD and half ANGST...

What I don't get is this:

Why do so many people go out and spend all the money on Guitar Hero? Why not spend the money to get a real instrument and do something intelligent? I would much rather have people going out to the local music store and picking up and Oboe, or perhaps a Mandolin. I enjoy Guitar Hero, but I'm a musician. To watch millions of children get so good at a video game when they could put forth that energy into their own musical abilities. I just cannot fathom why anyone would want to play Guitar Hero over getting their own instruments. Do not tell me that Guitar Hero is "easier." Sure, it's not as challenging, as doing the real thing well, but the true Guitar Hero, I think, should desire to play the real thing.

I don't understand these people who spend all their time and a lot of money becoming Guitar Hero masters when they could use those resources to become true Guitar Heroes.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Chupperson Weird on December 17, 2007, 01:49:14 PM
Guitar Hero is a game that has nothing to do with music. If Guitar Hero didn't exist, the people that play it would be playing other games, not music. In a related matter, one of the Penny Arcade guys apparently thinks that if people are able to sequence/record/??? their own music for GH or RB that the controllers will be magically transformed into instruments. I would like to Not Get It at this time and state that if you are not directly causing the notes to appear in realtime then you are not playing an instrument. Which doesn't mean an addon to a game that let you create your own music would be a bad thing at all, but it definitely won't make you be playing an instrument.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: MEGAߥTE on December 17, 2007, 01:59:05 PM
That's like asking why people play games at all when they could be "doing something intelligent."  It's to have fun or complete a challenge, not to train themselves for a particular ability (with the exception of actual simulators like the military uses).  Guitar Hero is to Guitar as Dance Dance Revolution is to Dancing or Wii Sports is to Sports.  They only take concepts from their namesakes that give a vague resemblance of the originals.  Guitar Hero benefits by having a novel control scheme and strong soundtracks; I doubt anybody plays it thinking it will help them with guitar, but it can act as a gateway for people to actually try to learn guitar when they wouldn't have otherwise been interested.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: bobman37 on December 17, 2007, 01:59:58 PM
Guitar Hero is just another video game. The people who get REALLY good play because they like the video game, NOT because they want to play guitar. If they wanted to play guitar, you bet your bottom they'd go buy one. The only difference between GH and any other video game is the shape of the controller. Otherwise, in both cases, you're carrying out the intended task in order to score the highest, beat the game, etc.

I don't think I've ever seen this before. People have gotten after the gaming community for spending too much time playing video games instead of doing something more productive, but fellow gamers? Who cares how much time/money people are investing in Guitar Hero? They're just playing another video game! Just because the controller is shaped like a guitar, people feel like they need to bash the whole idea, Why-don't-you-go-play-a-REAL-instrument style. Oh yeah? Why don't you go stomp on a REAL goomba? That's what I thought.

I am a musician as well. I have been playing trumpet for over 5 years. I love it to death. I also love Guitar Hero. Why does there have to be a border? I'm appalled to see such ridicule coming from fellow musicians/gamers.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Lizard Dude on December 17, 2007, 02:18:28 PM
Why don't Mario players do something intelligent and take up parkour?

Why don't Call of Duty players do something intelligent and join the army?

Why don't Custom Robo players do something intelligent and build real robots?

Why don't Nintendogs players do something intelligent and buy a real dog?

Why don't Sonic players do something intelligent and join track?

Why don't Street Fighter players do something intelligent and take up martial arts?

Why don't Phoenix Wright players do something intelligent and get a law degree?
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Koopaslaya on December 17, 2007, 02:49:55 PM
If Guitar Hero didn't exist, the people that play it would be playing other games, not music.

I'm not entirely sure about that. I know a lot of people who own a PS2 for the sole purpose of having Guitar Hero. They play it like they think they are better than Steve Howe or something.

In a related matter, one of the Penny Arcade guys apparently thinks that if people are able to sequence/record/??? their own music for GH or RB that the controllers will be magically transformed into instruments. I would like to Not Get It at this time and state that if you are not directly causing the notes to appear in realtime then you are not playing an instrument. Which doesn't mean an addon to a game that let you create your own music would be a bad thing at all, but it definitely won't make you be playing an instrument.

I agree that it wouldn't be a musical instrument. Furthermore, how would one sequence his own guitar hero songs with merely 5 buttons?

They're just playing another video game! Just because the controller is shaped like a guitar, people feel like they need to bash the whole idea, Why-don't-you-go-play-a-REAL-instrument style. Oh yeah? Why don't you go stomp on a REAL goomba? That's what I thought.

That is a poor argument.

I am not saying that guitar hero is bad. I never said that it was bad. Perhaps I am wrong, and people play it becuase they only want to play a video game for fun. Maybe I've missed something. Personally, however, I find a the ability to play a real guitar (or any other musical instrument) much more entertaining (and worthwhile) than the image of playing guitar on a screen. I've played GH with my friends, yet it's just not as fun to actually preform music with them. Same thing goes for Wii Sports. I enjoy it, but I'd rather be outside playing the sports themselves. In a Mario game, or a Star Wars game, I cannot actually put myself into the scenario in which I find the Character. Thus, I enjoy those games much more, and find them of a higher value.

Why does there have to be a border? I'm appalled to see such ridicule coming from fellow musicians/gamers.

Now... let's not be rash here.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: bobman37 on December 17, 2007, 02:54:43 PM
I'm not aiming my post at you, Koopaslaya. Every time I have this argument, it's with a fellow musician and/or gamer.

I realize that portion of my argument wasn't very well worded, but I'm sick of fighting this battle... I'm not going to fix it.

Everyone has their own opinion. If Koopaslaya feels differently than I about Guitar Hero, I guess I'm out of place trying to defend it from an opinion.

...So I guess I'll just go downstairs and play some Guitar Hero.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: MEGAߥTE on December 17, 2007, 03:00:46 PM
I enjoy Guitar Hero
If Koopaslaya doesn't like Guitar Hero
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: bobman37 on December 17, 2007, 03:02:01 PM
Ouch. My bad.

Fixed.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Lizard Dude on December 17, 2007, 03:33:51 PM
How come videogames always get the bad end when people get confused and think the games = doing the real thing.

Murder simulations cause people to go out and shoot up their school but guitar simulations prevent people from playing real guitar?
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Suffix on December 17, 2007, 03:44:26 PM
Although somebody's going to do their hardest to prove that wrong one day, I sure love that logic.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: ShadowBrain on December 17, 2007, 06:31:04 PM
I bet casual games are a plot invented by the government to force people to lose interest and stop playing all games, period. That'll stop the violence!

Oh, and my bro isn't the best guitar player in the world, but he said that GH is way harder sometimes.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Chupperson Weird on December 17, 2007, 06:51:51 PM
Yes, because they have nothing to do with each other!
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: SolidShroom on December 17, 2007, 10:33:18 PM
Guitar Hero is a freaking fun game, and playing guitar is also a lot of fun. But honestly, this (http://icanplayguitar.net/icpg.aspx?st=10&e=icpglanding) worries the crap out me. It may be a bit more accurate than Guitar Hero, but why God, why?
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Presidente on December 17, 2007, 10:46:40 PM
Because Drake Bell is a dirty rotten sellout.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: PaperLuigi on December 17, 2007, 11:10:37 PM
Or he could be a talented guitarist trying to make some money. I don't know what he did to be "dirty and rotten," other than try to make a living.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Shyguy92 on December 18, 2007, 10:27:21 AM
How come videogames always get the bad end when people get confused and think the games = doing the real thing.

Murder simulations cause people to go out and shoot up their school but guitar simulations prevent people from playing real guitar?

Well in shooting games, you don't actually have a gu-.......
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Boo Dudley on December 18, 2007, 10:37:38 AM
is the black one designed for the side-ways shooting stance?

How "ghetto" is that?
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Shyguy92 on December 18, 2007, 10:49:36 AM
Ya. If guess if you hold it sideways it's upside-down. I wonder where that black remote came from...
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Chupperson Weird on December 18, 2007, 11:10:08 AM
Not if you're left handed (or if you change the orientation of the remote or something).
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Glorb on December 18, 2007, 03:07:59 PM
The black one looks like the kind of thing where I'd go "DUDE!" and buy it immediately and spend hours trying to piece it together before giving up and using the pieces to make some kind of awesome thing.

Oh, and how come I Can Play Guitar gets "Crazy Train" and GH doesn't? Furthermore, why do all the songs sound like they're being played on an SNES?
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: MEGAߥTE on December 19, 2007, 12:14:15 PM
How timely.

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Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Lizard Dude on December 19, 2007, 09:23:40 PM
     ^  Rao
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: megamush on December 20, 2007, 02:15:56 PM
Ya. If guess if you hold it sideways it's upside-down. I wonder where that black remote came from...
Custom Made Wiimote?
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
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Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Vidgmchtr on December 20, 2007, 05:30:54 PM
I don't get why people seem to hate furries so much, actually. A lot of the furries I've met are pretty much normal people like you and me.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: goodie on December 20, 2007, 07:56:43 PM
What the dukar is a furrie?
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: MEGAߥTE on December 20, 2007, 07:58:55 PM
normal people like you and me.
Argument fallacy.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Vidgmchtr on December 20, 2007, 09:25:34 PM
Argument fallacy.

Right. What is normal? No one's normal. Still don't get the hate, though.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Chupperson Weird on December 20, 2007, 09:58:52 PM
*whoosh*
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Vidgmchtr on December 22, 2007, 07:31:41 PM
What the dukar is a furrie?
A furry is a person who likes to characterize themselves as an anthropomorphic animal, usually by way of drawing, or wearing a fursuit.
Some of them also like to draw dirty pictures of these things.

Sunbun had an anti-furry sig once upon a time shouting "FURRIES ARE EVIL!". I also know MaxVance hates furries, as well.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: MaxVance on December 22, 2007, 07:33:58 PM
Someday I will find a flamethrower. From that day forward, the furries shall be brought to justice.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Vidgmchtr on December 22, 2007, 07:42:50 PM
Still don't get the hate, though.
Really, I believe they're just people. I don't find anything wrong with them, and who am I to judge?
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: PaperLuigi on December 22, 2007, 08:09:25 PM
What the heck are furries?

EDIT: Oops, I just noticed Vid explaining them to us.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: The Chef on December 22, 2007, 08:29:44 PM
Yeah... there are varying "degrees" of furries out there. The best ones are the ones who just like furry-themed art and literature... and nothing else. No "fursonas", no "fursuits", and definitely no "yiff".
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: ShadowBrain on December 22, 2007, 09:06:25 PM
There's no reason to discriminate because of fetishes--some people just are the way they are, and it's not up to us to judge them.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: PaperLuigi on December 22, 2007, 09:10:43 PM
Unless that fetish includes small children and 50 year old men.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: ShadowBrain on December 22, 2007, 09:15:30 PM
Oh, yes, forgot about that one... *winces and snaps fingers* ...Obviously, I mean, like, non-violent/invasive stuff. Thus, I have no problem if you have a shoe/glasses/spitting fetish, but stuff like crush fetishes (don't Google that)... Wait, why the **** are we talking about fetishes, again?
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: The Chef on December 22, 2007, 10:03:57 PM
Because furries of the worst "degree" happen to carry a fetish that most people (myself included) think is screwed up. Bear in mind that not all furries are like that, but the ones who are aren't the same ones I'd pal around with.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Glorb on December 22, 2007, 10:22:50 PM
Just when I thought I had wiped the very idea of furry fetishes from my head, this comes along. Egh. Seriously, that's just a hair above erotic Sonic fan fiction and posing as teen pop idols on MySpace on the creepiness scale.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Vidgmchtr on December 22, 2007, 10:25:04 PM
Yeah... there are varying "degrees" of furries out there. The best ones are the ones who just like furry-themed art and literature... and nothing else. No "fursonas", no "fursuits", and definitely no "yiff".

Even then, I don't think the "dirty" ones are bad, either. They're different, yes, but, again, why judge them? They could be awesome people with likes similar to non-furries. I know a lot of the furries I made friends with at another forum love Nintendo, and have similar music tastes as me.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: The Chef on December 23, 2007, 10:33:13 AM
I just have to wonder what possesses one to want to be a furry. I mean, having a "fursona" is no different from an author character or what-have-you, but the fetish part is one step behind bestiality if you ask me.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Vidgmchtr on December 23, 2007, 01:21:58 PM
the fetish part is one step behind bestiality if you ask me.

If you said that in front of most furries (and I've seen it happen at another forum), they would tell you they find bestiality disgusting and would be quite offended at the statement. A friend of mine there said it's adding animal features to humans, not the other way around. A lot of them realize they're not animals and just like drawing themselves as things that'd be impossible in real life. "It's all about the fantasy."

I don't think people drawing themselves as anthropomorphic animals is much different from drawing themselves in a manga/anime style, despite the fact that they're still 100% human in one style.

This is probably the last thing I'll ask about the matter:

If you guys (well, most of you) accept me for who I am, why not the furries? They could be considered as having a small fetish, I have an attraction to the same sex, something much bigger in comparison, in my opinion.

....*shrug*
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: The Chef on December 23, 2007, 03:50:51 PM
At least there have been plausible explanations for being gay. I haven't exactly seen one for yiff other than than catagorizing it with other odd fetishes. People question the inexplicable. Also, I don't see how the fetish can be that "small" if it covers a wider spectrum than something like a foot fetish or a hand fetish (which I'll admit that I happen to have, though not really extreme. I just prefer women with nice hands, unlike most guys I've seen).
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Glorb on December 23, 2007, 04:04:40 PM
I like my ladies to have big, beefy, hairy manhands. And have green hair. And a crooked nose.

But seriously, having a furry fetish is weirder than other fetishes. If being gay can be categorized as a fetish, which I don't consider it to be, then it's an extremely tiny one, since you're still attracted to human beings. Being attracted to nonexistant animal/human hybrids, on the other hand, is creepy and weird, because it's an object of desire that is not real. But hey, as long as someone's a nice person who doesn't go on murder sprees, I don't care what they do in private as long as it's not illegal. If I discovered one of my friends had a furry fetish, I'd still go on being their friend and would treat them no differently. If it were my parents or my girlfriend there might be a problem (moreso with the latter than with the former), but so far that hasn't happened.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: Mr. Wiggles on December 23, 2007, 06:13:21 PM
Unless that fetish includes small children and 50 year old men.

Oh come on now, I don't think being attracted to children is wrong. As long as you don't act on it, there's no reason to believe that person is a sick, twisted individual. I mean, as long as they don't recount their fantasies to you.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: The Chef on December 23, 2007, 06:54:03 PM
At least pedophilia is more logically explicable than furries, as Glorb up there just pointed out. The best solution to a problem like that is to just find a mate who looks really young.
Title: Re: "I Just Don't Get It..."
Post by: BP on December 23, 2007, 07:11:21 PM
I'll just take the Switzerland position here.