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Video Games => Video Game Chat => Topic started by: Kojinka on January 29, 2008, 09:30:27 AM
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YES!!
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Ness Returneth! lol What's Wario doing in that last picture?
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Ridley is a Boss
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Those Pikmin were pwn'd by *gasp* Captain Falcon!? YES!
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WTD ROB confirmed? (although it's possible that this ROB is just a temporary ally for the Subspace story)
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Lucario.
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Game&Watch, Falco, and Marth return! Oh, and Lucario is playable
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Must...avoid...fangirly seizure... Gah! *has one anyway*
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*follows suit* Gah! Gah! I think having the Luigi karate picture at the top is a hilarious introduction to this thread.
Well, these look like they could be real. And if not... really, those characters ought to be in Brawl anyway, what with all the other stuff they're including. I can understand leaving out Dr. Mario, but come on, Captain Falcon had to reappear.
Having Ridley in Brawl in any form is great.
Nice to see you again, Falco. Of all the Star Fox Assault characters, you seemed the least deformed. And correct me if I'm wrong, but Falco's beak looks normal, like Melee length... man, it'd be awesome if he had his Melee look.
And I just saw the "First My Music" entry on the Dojo. To think, over a HUNDRED songs available at the start, with even more to be unlocked... *heart attack*
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Ganondorf and ROB
Oh, and I guess, the last picture I found with falcon had a curse word in the image name code thing.
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Well, I guess that's it then. The leakers were right. No Krystal, Ridley, Micaiah, K.Rool, Mewtwo. Megaman or Isaac. Once again, the Wars series gets shafted despite being around for 2 decades. Most of all, F-Zero is the only franchise from the first game to still have only one rep.
R.O.B. once again takes the spot of worthless character that stole the place on a more deserving character. How depressing.
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TWW Link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yneKqXxXT8o&eurl=http://youchewpoop.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=11647&page=56
from what I can gather from this vid, Luigi finally has his real voice.
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from what I can gather from this vid, Luigi finally has his real voice.
The cutscenes are awesome!
Waiting for another character select screen until I believe Toon Link's in. Or until I see it in one of the leaked videos.
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YES! I can't wait to play in this level!
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Here's a character select screen. One more character that we don't know of yet. It's rumored to be Bomberman, but it could also be Wolf or Krystal
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They just don't know when to stop! Man... btw, just watched a gameplay video with Wario. The way Wario moves when he runs is hilarious! :D
When watching a version of the gameplay video with clear sound, the player selected a couple of the characters so we can hear their names being announced. And that's all the confirmation I need: Marth and Captain Falcon are confirmed.
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If the 35-character roster is true, the only character we haven't seen so far is Wolf O'Donnell... because even though that select screen has 31 characters, there have already been screens of Toon Link, Sonic and Jigglypuff.
Wish they'd put Ridley in a bigger capacity, though; and seeing Mewtwo somehow would be a comfort.
All of this info, though... it's just mind blowing.
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If the 35-character roster is true, the only character we haven't seen so far is Wolf O'Donnell... because even though that select screen has 31 characters, there have already been screens of Toon Link, Sonic and Jigglypuff.
Wish they'd put Ridley in a bigger capacity, though; and seeing Mewtwo somehow would be a comfort.
All of this info, though... it's just mind blowing.
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Here's a mockup of the select screen. Compare it with the leak, and it seems to lean toward Wolf as the last character to be revealed. Although, I would prefer Krystal or Bomberman.
Dear. Mr. Wiggles is right about R.O.B.
I too would like to see Mewtwo return, but at this point, it doesn't seem likely.
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R.O.B. once again takes the spot of worthless character that stole the place on a more deserving character. How depressing.
Arr, I feel your pain matey. I hate ROB with the force of a thousand seas clashing against each other.
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lol you're such a character, Weegi!
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Arr, I be happy Ness made it back!
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Good god...THIS IS AMAZING!
Wow...just wow. The King Statue is in. I cannot believe this. And poor Ness is statuelized. And I wonder what Lucas is thinking, seeing someone who in chronology has been dead for at least 300 years. Creepy!
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Where does all this stuff get leaked from, anyway? That's one thing I've always wondered. Also, w00t for Luigi and Ness.
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The game was recently released in Japan.
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This stuff gets leaked from the rabid fans who were able to get their hands on a copy.
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R.O.B. once again takes the spot of worthless character that stole the place on a more deserving character. How depressing.
Wanna talk worthless characters? I'd say Pokemon Trainer, King Dedede and Ike are all pretty worthless. I mean, we've already got two playable Pokemon, two Kirby characters (Metaknight stays 'cause he pwns), and one Fire Emblem character. To me, that's wasted space; you could replace any of those three with a playable Ridley and improve the game's awesomeness by 21%. If R.O.B. were the final boss I'd be a little peeved, but no one's being forced to play as him. Although you should, because he's awesome.
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Wanna talk worthless characters? I'd say Pokemon Trainer, King Dedede and Ike are all pretty worthless. I mean, we've already got two playable Pokemon, two Kirby characters (Metaknight stays 'cause he pwns), and one Fire Emblem character. To me, that's wasted space; you could replace any of those three with a playable Ridley and improve the game's awesomeness by 21%. If R.O.B. were the final boss I'd be a little peeved, but no one's being forced to play as him. Although you should, because he's awesome.
We've already got one Metroid character, too. Actually, two, if you count the nude version. So your argument is that they're worthless because you don't like them. And even if you don't like Pokemon, calling PT worthless is pretty harsh. What other character is three characters?
If anyone's worthless, it's Wolf. Fox doesn't need another clone, especially one who could have just been a color change and had his slot given to someone with a unique moveset, like Krystal, Geno, Isaac, Dr. Kawashima, K.Rool, Dixie, a third third-party character, etc.
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Dawwwwwwwwww, ROB...
"Toon Link," eh? It's a better name than "Young Link," as that implies that he is Link as a kid, when they're separate people.
So does this mean Mewtwo is out? Dukar, Giovanni is a potential Pokémon boss (they CALL him "Boss" in-game, even!) so why should Mewtwo be?
Glad to see Heavily Old Pokey as a boss. I hope the music from Pokey's battle in EarthBound plays, but seeing as this is Mother 3-based... But Ness looks goooood, finally the last stripe on his shirt isn't cut off. It's been wrong the last two games!!
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Putting Geno in would be purely fanservice; he has a role in one video game, as a party member, with a cameo in another. Krystal, I agree, would be a good addition, but to be honest I wouldn't have her replace Wolf, but Falco. Falco's an incredible character and all but he has even less moveset potential than Wolf. I could see him as a top-tier Assist Trophy.
But I agree with Glorb about Ridley; he's fanservice too, but has much more reason behind it. He's appeared in many more games than Geno, and would cater to a lacking Metroid representation (especially since Metroid had begun to rejoin the mainstream with the Prime series).
(I heard a rumour that Ridley is unlockable if you beat SSE with Samus, but whether you can actually choose who to beat it with is an important but still unknown factor)
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In response to CrossEyed7: I'm fairly sure Krystal is going to be playable due to someone listing credits for performing her voice in SSBB.
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I saw these today, along with more (Ness' Final Smash is Starstorm...), and I must say, the roster looks good (except for ROB. But I can always beat him up with Pokemon Trainer and laugh).
Another thing: Look how cool Ness is, pushing Lucas out of the way and taking the statuizing gun himself!
(And Bird Person: I was right on the money about Captains Falcon and Olimar)
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In response to CrossEyed7: I'm fairly sure Krystal is going to be playable due to someone listing credits for performing her voice in SSBB.
The same could have been said about Slippy or Peppy before Melee.
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Wanna talk worthless characters? I'd say Pokemon Trainer, King Dedede and Ike are all pretty worthless. I mean, we've already got two playable Pokemon, two Kirby characters (Metaknight stays 'cause he pwns), and one Fire Emblem character. To me, that's wasted space; you could replace any of those three with a playable Ridley and improve the game's awesomeness by 21%. If R.O.B. were the final boss I'd be a little peeved, but no one's being forced to play as him. Although you should, because he's awesome.
How are three characters, one who is a main villain of his series while the other two are main characters, less deserving than a clever marketing tool that was abandoned after Super Mario Bros came out?
On another note, how could the development team be so lazy? Falco and Ness still have their moves from Melee, down to sharing their Final Smashes with Fox and Ness. Ganondorf is the biggest offender of all. He is apparantly still a C. Falcon clone, except for the Final Smash.
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Bird Person has me there.
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I don't think it would have made any sense to change Ness. I mean, Lucas is the new guy, so why wouldn't they have given him the new moveset expected by those expecting it?
...But no PK Rockin' Final Smash? Bummer.
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I can't believe this...
Sakurai: I don't know what to do...I could either have R.O.B. who already has an apperance as an enemy, who almost nobody knows, or, I could include Geno, who everyone actually wants. What do you think?
Mindless Worker: Let's have R.O.B. He's the most exciting hunk of metal ever! Who cares about wooden dolls who have magical powers?
Sakurai: Okey dokey.
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WHY? WHY?
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I doubt he ever could include Geno in the first place.
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I can't believe this...
Sakurai: I don't know what to do...I could either have R.O.B. who already has an apperance as an enemy, who almost nobody knows, or, I could include another third party character, whom everybody wants and is more deserving of the slot. What do you think?
Mindless Worker: Let's have R.O.B. He's the most exciting hunk of metal ever! It'd be cheaper.
Sakurai: Okey dokey.
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WHY? WHY?
Fix'd
Seriously, we could have had Megaman or Bomberman!
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Fix'd
Seriously, we could have had Megaman or Bomberman!
It's not like ROB's inclusion precluded either of those characters. Capcom and Hudson should have been more vocal.
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The complaints about ROB are making me lol.
He was good in Mario Kart DS.
What is it about SMRPG that makes everyone so obsessive?
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It's a good game with likable, memorable characters, perhaps?
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The only problem I have with R.O.B. is that it isn't nostalgic at all. Old, yes, but not an enduring memory upon many a gamer. But no one really knows what nostalgia is supposed to be, and they all go by "Anything for the NES."
To me, a perfect example of nostalgia would be Yoshi's Final Smash. It reminds me of Super Mario World and how much I played that game when I was little. Mr. Game & Watch is somewhat nostalgic as many of his moves remind me of Game & Watch Gallery 2, one of my old favorites. But I guess Brawl has a little of nostalgia for everyone--even people who loved Gyromite.
But for that small group, the cameo would be enough...
Edit: I guess it DID help out with the recovery from the Video Game Crash. Oh well.
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^ Hey, he's smaller than I thought... (and so is R.O.B.)
I think R.O.B. irritates everyone (me included) because he isn't even a character. I mean, if that... thing didn't have eyes when it was made, Nintendo wouldn't be moving into this brief period of obsession over a humanoid peripheral.
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I guess R.O.B. is to some people as Pokemon Trainer is to me. I mean, I'm looking forward to characters like Meta Knight and Olimar because they're just plain cool, but Pokemon Trainer isn't just cool, he's my childhood. It always reminds me of when my mother rented a Game Boy Color and Pokemon Red version from the nearest Blockbuster, and I thought it was the greatest thing ever. And then my grandmother got me a turquoise GBC and Blue version for Christmas, and I felt like the happiest little child on earth. So, yeah. I guess different characters each mean something different to everyone.
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The same could have been said about Slippy or Peppy before Melee.
Er, the Slippy and Peppy in Melee didn't sound anything like the Star Fox 64 versions.
But yeah, just because Krystal's voice is in doesn't mean she'll be playable. Assist trophy or cameo in the Subspace Emissary, perhaps, but not playable.
And I missed out on the R.O.B. phase, don't see all the hoopla about it. I was too busy playing the heck out of Bubble Bobble.
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That's the thing, Nintendo wants you to believe there was ROB hoopla, but there wasn't.
Also, yeah, that gets me too... ROB never even actually appeared in a game. It was like some weird out of body experience where this thing was part of the game, and yet wasn't.
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I was too busy playing the heck out of Bubble Bobble.
This sounds like a description of a huge chunk of my life.
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^ Hey, he's smaller than I thought... (and so is R.O.B.)
I think R.O.B. irritates everyone
Not me.
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I like the inclusion of ROB, but honestly I don't think they should've included Falco or "Toon Link". And while I'm thinking about characters that are pointless, they shouldn't have Lucas in either.
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Oh, the whole "Clone rant" stuff. I like Toon Link. I'll probably use him more than Link. And Lucas is a great way to get Mother 3 translated, and doesn't look half bad as a character.
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When I was down with a fever I dreamed that Marth was in the game and now...Marth is in the game. This totally rocks!
Toon Link, I think, is really unique. I think it's funny that he was named "Toon Link". A very nice roster of characters :D.
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I think I'll like Toon Link, simply because I mainly use Young Link in Melee. My guess is that he'll have the same moves.
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Toon Link, I think, is really unique. I think it's funny that he was named "Toon Link".
I think that's sort of a direct translation from Japanese. At this point, I'm pretty sure the only character roster screenshots he's appeared in also refer to Bowser as "Koopa" and Jigglypuff as "Purin".
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Seems like the last character is Wolf
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Lame.
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And this coming from probably the biggest Star Fox fan on the board.
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Well, Wolf could be real. There's this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=JJhxPS1lQZw.
Once you get past the roster image, you'll see a couple in-game shots (or cinematic stills) of Wolf.
Wonder if that's all the characters in Brawl then. Another YouTube video suggests that 35 characters is the limit (and looking at a screenshot for what looks like a load profile screen, there's only room for 36 characters). Oh, and just now I noticed Jigglypuff, wonder when she appeared in the roster.
Several music tracks from Brawl also uploaded to YouTube. ...oh, frick, they turned Kirby Gourmet Race into a rock song.
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What do you mean "could be"? He is.
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Seems like the last character is Wolf
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mmm...okay. So now the only thing to enjoy from the game is Adventure Mode, and Multiplayer? (Unless there's still some stages left...?)
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If they really wanted a new Star Fox rep, Krystal would have been a better choice. The Roster needs more females, and Krystal would have offered a more original moveset with that staff of hers. I watched some Wolf footage, and, guess what? He's a freaking Fox clone! Why couldn't they have just given Wolf the Daisy and Blood Falcon treatment, and make him an alternate Fox color?!
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The final roster disappointed me.
Falco, Wolf, Lucas, "Toon Link"; just no.
Brawl is starting to be somewhat of a disappointment, I expected loads of new characters. Don't get me wrong, there's some great ones included, but I wanted to see other ones like Animal Crosser, and characters that're actually original, rather than four clones. Also, Wind Waker Link should've just been an alternative costume for Link.
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That screen is fake. This is the real one.
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Having Wolf in that position lines all of the franchises up, though. I've heard rumours he's got the Landmaster as his FS (WTD? Star Wolf team has never used a Landmaster, but since Wolf's is supposedly red, that must mean it's okay) but apparently he's Luigified in comparison to Fox and has more of his own moves. Reminds me somewhat of the Mario-Doc-Luigi cloning procedure.
btw, to all of the people on the Net suggesting this is just Melee 1.5/2.0: is that so bad? We've got awesome stages, stage builder, long-anticipated characters, online play, wide array of characters as Assist Trophies (excellent idea), superior single-player mode, and tons more features I'd list but my internet only lets me onto TMK and Google for some reason, and is horrifically slow on anything else.
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Who needs rumors anymore when there are plenty of videos?
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I am sad. There is still no playable Toad (unless there are actually more hidden characters, but I highly doubt that since the character select screen is a cut & paste of the Melee one).
Oh well. Maybe in SSB4..
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At this point, seeing everyone complain about the roster in Brawl has to make me say one thing:
lol complaining about characters in Brawl
Seriously, shut up now. You clicked on this thread to find out a major leak. It's your fault you're complaining, not Sakurai's.
Personally, I think this roster's awesome. Wolf, ROB, WW Link (Toon Link sounds weird, but, eh), all these characters you people are moaning and groaning about are people I'd love to try out in the game.
/me starts to wonder why he likes ideas everyone seems to hate at first*
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So, let's see. We've got Fox, Fox in bird form, and old Fox. While we're at it, let's put in Naked Snake, Old Snake, 80s Snake, and Snake as he appeared on the cover of Snake's Revenge. I mean, really. ROB is the personification of all that is wrong with this world, but there's nothing wrong with two Fox clones, a Ness clone, sixteen Pokemon and Kirby characters, and two obscure, meaningless Fire Emblem characters who will probably be identical? At least ROB'll have a unique moveset, fer cryin' out loud. I don't want to spend $50 on a game with basically $20 worth of unique characters.
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It's REALLY all about the characters, isn't it?
</obvious sarcasm>
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I don't want to spend $50 on a game with basically $20 worth of unique characters.
Even if it was $20 worth of characters, how about the $500 worth of gameplay modes and unprecedented assortment of other stuff? Seriously, people, [wtd].
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All of those character screens are fake. Here's the REAL one.
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f185/RafaelZ/SSBBFinalRoster.png
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No, this is http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q239/Ezduo/1201723769665.jpg
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Yeah, Link's got a Landmaster too.
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Even if it was $20 worth of characters, how about the $500 worth of gameplay modes and unprecedented assortment of other stuff? Seriously, people, [wtd].
You mean the same gameplay, with assist trophies, and a stage creator that's most likely just going to end up being placing platforms on a background? If that's $500, then the market must be in terrible shape.
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You obviously haven't been keeping very close watch on just how much stuff is in the game. Your stage creator assertion is also false.
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Video of Luigi's Final Smash (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1okqS_Sd24)
What the dukar?!
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Zombigi.
All of those character screens are fake. Here's the REAL one.
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f185/RafaelZ/SSBBFinalRoster.png
You silly anti-clones are such losers.
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two obscure, meaningless Fire Emblem characters who will probably be identical?
Have you not watched any gameplay videos? Marth and Ike are complete opposites of each other. Marth is just as fast as he was in Melee, but his standard B is now a Stab attack and his Swords Dance is now less flashy. Ike inherited Roy's Eruption, has a quick slash type attack for his Side B move, and has a different recovery move than Marth. The only move they share is Counter.
Also, how are they obscure or meaningless? Marth is the first ever lord, as well as one of the most popular picks from Melee. Ike is the star of the last 2 games, and for some reason, people like him.
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Have you not watched any gameplay videos? Marth and Ike are complete opposites of each other. Marth is just as fast as he was in Melee, but his standard B is now a Stab attack and his Swords Dance is now less flashy. Ike inherited Roy's Eruption, has a quick slash type attack for his Side B move, and has a different recovery move than Marth. The only move they share is Counter.
Also, how are they obscure or meaningless? Marth is the first ever lord, as well as one of the most popular picks from Melee. Ike is the star of the last 2 games, and for some reason, people like him.
Before Melee, hardly anyone outside Japan had even heard of Fire Emblem. That's why he said obscure.
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Dear Vid:
A one day leak is a major leak?
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Dear Chup:
Do you like business letters or something?
Anyway yeah I think this is fairly big.
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Sorry, Krystal fans.
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Where'd all this Brawl info come from, anyway?
My takes on the newest new characters:
"Toon" Link-- I don't see what all the fuss is about, really; he's replacing Young Link from Melee, and he's pretty cool at that. And his stage is great!
ROB-- I think he's just there because he'll have a significant part in the SSE plot. I mean, I'm only interested in him because I am genuinely, genuinely curious about how in the name of God his moveset will play out (also, since I presume there was exactly a letter-writing campaign a few years back begging him to show up in more games, I think the appearance of ROB in MKD/Brawl is just Nintendo countering their collective embarassment over his initial unsuccess by pretending he was incredibly popular).
Wolf-- *Coughdumbclonenoonelikedanyway*
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Where'd all this Brawl info come from, anyway?
Uh, the Japanese release?
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I know, but is it just like one Japanese dude with a video capture camera or a bunch of people? And why are all the roster pictures with the whole roster? Did they hack the game? Are there no unlockables after all... or is it just really easy to get new characters? Most of those are pretty weak questions, but I'm just thinking aloud(?) here.
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Wolf-- *Coughdumbclonenoonelikedanyway*
*points to sig*
or is it just really easy to get new characters
Apparently all of the characters except three (Toon, Puff and Wolf) are unlocked through the SSE storyline, and if they go through the SSE storyline then I imagine it'd be pretty quick to get them all. I don't think the entire quest is that long...
Wolf took a bit longer to unlock, though, compared to the others, which probably means he's the Mewtwo of Brawl in terms of ease of unlock.
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While that sounds ludicrously easy, it does make a lot of sense, considering Classic Mode is kind of limited, and clearing ALL the target courses would be mundane.
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While that sounds ludicrously easy, it does make a lot of sense, considering Classic Mode is kind of limited, and clearing ALL the target courses would be mundane.
It could also refer to Vs. mode unlocks as well, which now that you look at it does seem a bit too reliant on SSE.
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Wolf-- *Coughdumbclonenoonelikedanyway*
There you go again. I like Wolf. I'm sure he'll have a different move set from Fox, as will Falco.
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Reiterating my point, a very fast run down of all the modes.
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/movies/movie080131a.html
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Well, maybe I can learn to like Wolf after a while. Finally, a match between Fox and Wolf, outside of Arwings. That's... uh, not a classic battle by any stretch, but it could be cool.
Knew Krystal would show up in some other form, though. After she was debunked as a playable character, that is.
So cool that the characters line up by franchise on the roster. Also cool that from now on, the Dojo will reveal secret characters. I mean, the secret characters in Melee were revealed quickly after the game's release I believe. Although Nintendo's magazine kept them secret and many months later said "oh yeah, here's three characters in Melee you never knew about. Whoops, spoilers -- aw, you probably already knew about them."
So, with all characters and stages and modes revealed, I guess what I'm interested in now are hidden music tracks and trophies available and Assist Trophies. And considering the third-party characters, I wonder if that means we'll get third-party trophies too. Naturally, probably only those from franchises represented in the game... but I'd love to see a trophy of the New Age Retro Hippie, or Tails, or Boshi, or Mewtwo. Or one of the Koopalings, I mean, come on, they do EXIST, Nintendo.
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I still don't see what place ROB has in a collection of video game characters, considering he's a hardware peripheral whose sole purpose of existence was to disassociate Nintendo with video games. I'm sure he'll be a cool character, but it seems like Sakurai thinks for some reason that the roster already has all the video game characters anyone could ever want, so he can go and pick something completely different to fill a spot.
And Wolf's inclusion, especially as the last character to unlock, just rubs it all in. I can understand Falco having the exact same Final Smash as Fox, but... this is like giving Bowser the same Final Smash as Peach. If the roster is smaller than it could have been because of time constraints, why not just delay it again? I'd wait another month for two or three more good characters. If this is really the last Smash ever, doesn't it deserve to be perfect, especially in the area that the series was created for?
But you know, I'm glad that I spoiled myself, because now I can take February to get over it. There really is a huge amount of content in the game, and I did still get several of my most wanted characters (Sonic, Olimar, WW Link [I refuse to call him Toon Link. When the localization team changes Koopa to Bowser, changing Toon Link to Young Link better be next on their list], and Overalls Wario). I'm really looking forward to the Masterpieces thing for some reason, especially since it means Earthbound is unofficially coming to the Virtual Console... and possibly Mother 3 (in fact, maybe the huge difference between the Japanese and American delays was to finish localizing Mother 3, though I certainly wouldn't stake my life on something that involved Nintendo doing something expensive to please a small group of fans).
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"Young Link" implies that this is the other Link, but a kid. This is not the case.
Any two characters featuring the same Final Smash is lame, but none have it so bad as Ness and Lucas, whose ideal Final Smashes were so, so obvious: PK Rockin and PK Love, respectively. They could have at least colored Starstorm red, yellow and blue for Ness and called it Rockin, but why, when the two are already expert move-thieves?
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I just saw Luigi's Final Smash. It's...er, confusing. To look at. And a little eerie.
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With all the new games ROB is being put in why dosent Nintendo just make a Wii version of him? They already made a Wii version of the Zapper... So why not him? Then they could finnaly releash Gyromight on the VC.
Also what's all the hate against him? I think it's awsome that their using him in the newer games. And I lol'd at Luigi's cutseen with King Dedede.
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Why, though, do you think it's awesome? Because you're one of those people who thinks "It's from before the '90s so it's automatically nostalgic," or what?
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Well, why waste your time whining that he's in two games (TWO, not every new Nintendo game, TWO)? I mean, it doesn't effect your personal life; you're not being forced to play as him. Sure, he's mostly a joke character, but there's a zillion other characters to choose from (although a total of about four movesets, apparently). Why does everyone feel the need to go on foamy-mouth rants about how ROB's inclusion in SSBB will bring about the downfall of modern society when they can just play the freaking game when it comes out? Gawd.
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The problem with ROB is he's replacing a better character. Choose yours:
Ridley
Geno
K. Rool
Issac
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me no see how K. Rool will be so good, me rather have R.O.B.
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No characters are replacing anyone.
Really guys, stop [female dog]ing about this. If you feel the game isn't worth your money anymore because a character you don't like is in the game now, here's a suggestion: Don't buy it.
Whining over characters is a pretty dumb thing in my opinion, and it won't make Sakurai change it. Wait until the next Smash Bros. game gets developed (if it ever does).
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Ridley's a boss.
Geno doesn't belong in Smash.
K. Rool is better off a boss, if he is.
Isaac would be awesome, using his laws of physics to own you.
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No characters are replacing anyone.
Really guys, stop [female dog]ing about this. If you feel the game isn't worth your money anymore because a character you don't like is in the game now, here's a suggestion: Don't buy it.
Whining over characters is a pretty dumb thing in my opinion, and it won't make Sakurai change it. Wait until the next Smash Bros. game gets developed (if it ever does).
We already waited 7 YEARS for the right characters to appear. But no. Still nothing. I'm not going to wait another 7 years for two characters. 7 years. You wouldn't understand, considering all your lofty, unflavorful needs are always done with Mario. SOME of us would like some flavor.
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Arr, so Sonic and Snake aren't the "right" characters?
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They are, including Lucas. But there are still some who Sakurai refuses to notice who are still somewhat important.
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I would love to have seen Baby Mario and Baby Luigi fight together as an Ice Climber-esque team, but then there'd be too many Mario reps.
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I think you should play the game before you start whining* about it. Maybe ROB will turn out to be really good.
*****Can't think of better word. Critiquing? Suggesting? I don't think so.
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The problem with ROB is he's replacing a better character. Choose yours:
Ridley
Geno
K. Rool
Issac
Amen, amen, amen.
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Oh please ROB isn't leaving anyone out. Infact no one is leaving out a chance for someone else. I mean my god if they wanted a character in their they would have added them they don't sit their and say.
We should have K.rool on here but I want ROB so I'm going to get rid of this character and put him on here instead.
If they were going to put them their I'm sure they would have put them on their along with the others. And my god who cares if he's in their just plain don't play as him.
And no Bird person I am not one of them. I just think he's cool as you would think Luigi or Mario or who ever you think would be.
ALSO I would like to point out how stupid it is just to argue over some freaking game. I mean my god its a game! theirs nothing you can do to stop it from happening so just live with it. This Thread wasn't even made for arguing! if you guys want to continue arguing over a game with some guy in it that you don't want in it go make a Thread that says COMPLAIN ABOUT SSBB HERE!
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Well, some of the new stages make up for the lack of Krystal and K.Rool. Port Town is exactly what I wanted, and it even comes with a new Mute City remix. Spear Pillar looks awesome, and Luigi's Mansion also looks great despite being shrunk.
However, the lack of Country based DK stages is sad, and it looks like Kirby gets 3 characters but only one stage. What's up with that?
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Arr, what be wrong with these 2, the one with a green mine be the one me saved when the update first came out, the other one me got today:
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We already waited 7 YEARS for the right characters to appear. But no. Still nothing. I'm not going to wait another 7 years for two characters. 7 years. You wouldn't understand, considering all your lofty, unflavorful needs are always done with Mario. SOME of us would like some flavor.
Good job assuming the character I use is Mario. Really.
If you actually read my previous posts here, I've said that I like to use a lot of the characters, and always up for trying new characters out, whoever they are.
This roster of new characters is awesome, as I've also said. ROB, Wolf, WW Link, Captain Olimar, all totally awesome. I wanna try all of these guys out. I've hardly ever used Mario in Smash Bros., or any other game where a bunch of characters are playable instead.
I don't care much about Toad, he's cool, but I'm not going to be all emo about him not being playable. He's fine under Peach's dress.
I'd really rather see a variety of characters from a bunch of different franchises instead of an "unflavorful" palette of ones from the same series.
And Linkin's right, it really is STUPID to argue over something as petty as this. There's lots more to a game than CHARACTERS. Geez.
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Super Smash Bros. Brawl is probably going to be an excellent game, and anyone who thinks that it won't based simply on the character choice in it is probably an idiot.
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I don't care much about Toad, he's cool, but I'm not going to be all emo about him not being playable. He's fine under Peach's dress.
Arr, that sound wrong in SO many ways!
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Watching closely reveals that Peach pulls Toad out of a hole leading to the fourth dimension, which conveniently hovers invisibly behind her.
I'm almost perfectly happy with the roster. I'm gonna miss Pichu, Mewtwo and, to some extent, Dr. Mario, and there are some I know will never make it but would be so cool (Combusken and Ninten are my most wanted), but...
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Yeah I was sorta bummed to that Dr.Mario wasn't in the game what so ever... It wouldn't of been that hard to make him a palette change for Mario. But atleast they kept Game&Watch in :) Toon Link is also nice. And no he is not a full clone of Link. His moves are a bit diffrent if you watch him in action. He's pretty much the Luigi of Link.
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On another note: JEFF ASSIST TROPHY!
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Ylnilmjc71Q
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However, the lack of Country based DK stages is sad, and it looks like Kirby gets 3 characters but only one stage. What's up with that?
That's what secret stages are for, my friend. No one ever said everything about the game got leaked, after all.
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Ness has been revealed officially by The Dojo:
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/hidden01.html (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/hidden01.html)
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And Linkin's right, it really is STUPID to argue over something as petty as this. There's lots more to a game than CHARACTERS. Geez.
Though I understand what you're trying to say (and I agree somewhat), that argument kind of loses its weight when you apply it to a fighting game.
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Good thing SSBB isn't just a fighting game!
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Yeah, a game's goodness isn't decided by the characters, the gameplay, or the arenas. Your right.
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They are, including Lucas. But there are still some who Sakurai refuses to notice who are still somewhat important.
.. like Toad, or one of the real Koopa Kids, or K Rool, or..
I would love to have seen Baby Mario and Baby Luigi fight together as an Ice Climber-esque team, but then there'd be too many Mario reps.
I'm not going to worry about there being too many reps for any one series any longer. After the amount of Pokemon related things (mostly trophies) in Melee, every series should have at least one or two more things (a character, a stage, a trophy) in Brawl.
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I would love to have seen Baby Mario and Baby Luigi fight together as an Ice Climber-esque team, but then there'd be too many Mario reps.
It's an intresting idea, but it's kind of sick, considering the following instances:
Mario VS. Baby Mario and Luigi. Mario kills the babys, thus erasing him from existance.
Ganondorf VS. Baby Mario and Luigi. Babies against demon lords! Cool! 'Babys slaughtered'
Luigi VS. Baby Mario and LUigi. Luigi does his final smash, convincing the babies to do drugs. The rest of thier life is scarred.
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I don't recall the Smash series making that much sense in the first place. Especially disregarding the Subspace Emissary mode.
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Why the heck are people making a big deal about K. Rool?
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Because he would've made an awesome character, considering his wacky schemes and disguises from the DKC series.
Not to mention his DK's main villain, yet made no appeaerance whatsover in the story mode. It's especially annoying when you take into account that Bowser, Ganondorf, Wolf, King Dedede, and (in Melee) Mewtwo are playable, while Ridley and Porky are major bosses in the SE too.
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All those games were made in Japan.
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The debates keep raging! Was Geno going to be in Brawl... or not!?
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All those games were made in Japan.
So.. if a character is created in Britain, they're not allowed to have a major role?
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Probably not what he meant.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7bPdY9pFx0&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7bPdY9pFx0&NR=1)
many spoilers are here (most already mentioned here)
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Why was Shiek drinking tea?
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Why was Shiek drinking tea?
IDK I didn't make it just posted it.
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Well, I actually saw this screenshot of Peach offering tea to Fox...
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maybe tea is a new recovery item
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This should explain it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJJCCkIj-os
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Here's a vid considering ROBs hard to find FS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viJAkt-ImLg
And here's a big treat: The entire Subspace Emissary. You won't find gameplay, just cutscenes. All in order, from start to finish.
1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZE5qRNlGWw
2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRdcXVdHAFo
3> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEz1y2_VZdM
4> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd6M0M8eXTU
5> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZc-qvOgXKQ
6> http://youtube.com/watch?v=S0InPjPRCRY
7> http://youtube.com/profile_videos?user=Matonly1T
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http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=141229 (http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=141229)
More costumes apart from Wario's?
Also features entire AT, Trophy and Sticker list, as well as all enemies. Confirms Crazy Hand & Meta Ridley to appear, as well as Shadow & Isaac as ATs, and a heck of a lot of other stuff. If this stuff ends up being 100% true... well, it makes things a whole lot more interesting. Looks like the Mewtwo fans will get their wishes too, assuming once again it's all correct.
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Any of you who think ROB stinks,think again. He's actually the...(watch the videos already posted)
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http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=141229 (http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=141229)
More costumes apart from Wario's?
Also features entire AT, Trophy and Sticker list, as well as all enemies. Confirms Crazy Hand & Meta Ridley to appear, as well as Shadow & Isaac as ATs, and a heck of a lot of other stuff. If this stuff ends up being 100% true... well, it makes things a whole lot more interesting. Looks like the Mewtwo fans will get their wishes too, assuming once again it's all correct.
Pics or it didn't happen!
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If you search around, you'll also find that there's 314 music tracks in the game total. Someone ripped them all and put them up as a torrent.
Shortly into this page you'll find a list of all known music (you'll know it because they're sorted by franchise, indicated with icons): http://forums.ffshrine.org/showthread.php?t=49628&page=51
*looks at Smash Board topic*
Hoi, only 27 assist trophies? That's pathetic! Guess they could only think of so many things to include (on the other hand, it means I won't be distracted every five seconds). At least we got a whopping 582 tropheis and over 600 stickers to make up for it though.
...Dr. Mario would be a sensible alternate costume for Mario, if it's true.
Gannondorf Kirby: http://i28.tinypic.com/p4m0l.jpg
Wolf Kirby (so cute): http://i30.tinypic.com/mwttu1.jpg
R.O.B. Kirby: http://i29.tinypic.com/2n00u4m.jpg
And I don't know if you've ever seen this, but fight between Falco and Wolf: http://youtube.com/watch?v=kBpCXNnqD6A
Shows Falco's and Wolf's taunts among other things. Said to be a great match. I think I like Wolf a bit more.
Stickerbrush Symphony music is available on YouTube. ...it sounds nothing like I expected, it's a remix (like with Zelda Dark World, have to wait a while to recognize the tune). I mean, it's still beautiful, but you know, I was expecting the original and prefer the DKC2 version to the one included.
Oh. My. God. They put in World 1-3 of Super Mario Land (the Egyptian-sounding music). I don't believe it. And they remixed it. Never thought I'd hear that song again in a million years, my favorite song from that often-forgotten game.
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Pics or it didn't happen!
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=3826705#post3826705
Whoops, sorry for getting your hopes up, people. It just seemed so far-fetched that someone would go so far to fool people. It does, however, explain why some already-seen ATs among others didn't appear as ATs in the list.
I've also heard reports of it being a beta thing, so... blech.
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Hi guys..... Check this out!! It's a Donkey Kong stage! Not sure if it has been mentioned here before but oh well.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sW9AywYprtY
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Wonder if that stage is like Mushroomy Kingdom, and it can randomly be the other DK levels. Doubt it, though, since that is the most interesting level.
If that 27 Assist Trophies thing is true, that's pretty lame. Especially since there are almost 600 regular trophies. Would it really take up that much space on the disk to add some simple skeletons, scripts, and hitboxes for a couple dozen of those trophies?
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today I heard some kids in my school talking about putting Rosalina in Brawl. who thinks this will be a good idea?
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I think it's too late to make any changes, since the game was released already and is in the localization process.
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they could make it a US exclusive?!
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No.
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No, but she WAS going to be an assist trophy... So was Duster...
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they could make it a US exclusive?!
Even then, it'd have to be done before post-production and localization started. XP
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlSxR3ebOzc
Taunts. I love Luigi's! It's bound to make the fangirls at DA foam at the mouth
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You got that right! The last one is just nuts!
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God I love Wolf's howl taunt.
Complete sticker and presumably-trophy list. (http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=141663) Descriptions for every trophy also included as link at top of first post, but it's HUGE. There's countless surprises in the sticker list. F-Type from Stunt Race FX, for example. Or Ludwig von Koopa from SMB3. Or the Star Fox Adventures version of Krystal.
Rosalina's not in the sticker list (or trophy list for that matter), but Duster and Claus are. But no Geno, period.
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If Sakurai was to secure the rights to Geno from Square-Enix, it'd most likely be for a playable character.
Also, have you all seen the meanings behind the Final Smashes on Page 2 of penguinwizard's link? It's really quite interesting, and apparently the "Negative Zone" (Luigi's FS) is a reflection of a dark side he embraced in his brother's shadow. That's certainly new...
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That trophy rip (as well as the localization team in the credits) shows that the English version is already done and we're just waiting for manufacturing and/or strategic timing.
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Also, have you all seen the meanings behind the Final Smashes on Page 2 of penguinwizard's link? It's really quite interesting, and apparently the "Negative Zone" (Luigi's FS) is a reflection of a dark side he embraced in his brother's shadow. That's certainly new...
It's like they went out of their way to make Luigi goofy in this game. An example being Luigi's karate pose on the first page of this thread, or his hilarious taunts.
And apparently the plural of Yoshi is Yoshis, not Yoshies.
What I've seen in recent videos though is that the characters no longer seem to cringe/give weird faces when tossed into Kirby's pot during Kirby's Final Smash. That's sad. Unless I'm just not seeing them up close.
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This is spoiler-esque, but..
who is that blue guy at the end of the Subspace Emissary mode (not Sonic, the villianous one that Sonic beat up)?
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what is that clock item supposed to be?
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Maybe they give you more time to fight........
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or maybe it will make the other characters move in slow motion?!
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Yeah, trophy description says it's slow motion for everybody except the brawler who got the item.
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This is spoiler-esque, but..
who is that blue guy at the end of the Subspace Emissary mode (not Sonic, the villianous one that Sonic beat up)?
That's Taboo. He's the final boss of the game, and controls Master Hand, as well as being able to KO him in one hit. He's unimaginably powerful for a SSB boss and has many powerful attacks. He has an incredible theme song, and you can fight him as more than one character. Here's some more info: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdtUbat4jdA
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Taboo battle the only time you can use Sonic in SSE (disregarding replaying stages with other characters)?
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That trophy rip (as well as the localization team in the credits) shows that the English version is already done and we're just waiting for manufacturing and/or strategic timing.
I had suspected this all along.
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Guys. I think Shadow is an assist trophy..... I saw a video with him in it and he used chaos whatever and slowed down time.
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I wanna see that video, Shadow is my favorite "sonic series character"
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please tell me your kidding........
well there are many vids on it.....
but I forgot where it is....
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Hey, now that this has resurfaced, does anyone know what the ultimate Sticker would be? It would obviuously be the biggest, but I'm wondering what character would be on it, and what the bonus is.
Btw, I heard a rumor that the final Event for 1-player mode was a fight against Giant Mario, Sonic, and Snake. Any pics?
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Shadow the Hedgehog is a sticker. He does not seem to be an Assist Trophy.
Don't know what the ultimate sticker would be, if there even is an ultimate sticker, but someone's already discussed it (http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=928518&topic=41255899).
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Yeah, he is (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytIhZp8vxzU).
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Yeah, he is (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytIhZp8vxzU).
Awesome!
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That's Taboo. He's the final boss of the game, and controls Master Hand, as well as being able to KO him in one hit. He's unimaginably powerful for a SSB boss and has many powerful attacks. He has an incredible theme song, and you can fight him as more than one character. Here's some more info: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdtUbat4jdA
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Taboo battle the only time you can use Sonic in SSE (disregarding replaying stages with other characters)?
So he's the final boss of SSBB. I thought he was from another game series. I can't wait until Brawl comes out. Just one more month.. *sigh*
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Yeah, he is (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytIhZp8vxzU).
LAME :(
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That Gamefaqs link...heh heh. That's me.
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I'm happy that Falco returned, Toon Link also looks really cool.
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^ Yeah, for me, I think I'll have Toon Link as my "main", as they call it.
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^ Yeah, for me, I think I'll have Toon Link as my "main", as they call it.
I think either Snake or Zero Suit Samus as my main
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I'm glad Toon Link made it. He's every bit as important to The Legend of Zelda as the Link from Twilight Princess (possibly more important, as the same Link design was used in the Four Swords games and The Minish Cap). I personally enjoyed Twilight Princess more than The Wind Waker (which I only just recently beat), but both are great games.
The newcomer I'm looking forward to most is Wario. My main will most probably still be Ness, especially since I've noticed improvements on him here and there. My other main in Melee is currently Pikachu, but I'm hoping Yoshi's easier to use in Brawl.
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My main will most likely still be Yoshi, but just like in Melee, I change up my character frequently.
I've got a feeling Olimar will be frequently be used by myself. ^_^
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I'm keeping Marth as my main, but I'm eager to master Diddy Kong and Zero Suit Samus.
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I'm most looking forward to Pokemon Trainer. I'm gonna try to main him. Also looking forward to Meta Knight, Olimar, and R.O.B. (change of heart, so sue me.)
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I hope to main Wolf, Luigi and Lucas, though it depends on how long it takes for Brawl to come here.
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Never heard "main" until reading threads on Smash Bros. Brawl. Maybe it's a popular term in threads about fighting games that I'm unaware of.
I'll main, from most important to least:
1. Wolf (he had me at *howl*. Seriously. He might even look better)
2. Falco (perfect in Melee. Want to see if he's as fast and nimble as before)
3. Lucario (I'm intrigued. Good-looking, might do kung fu stuff, could be floaty like Mewtwo)
4. Sheik (quick and nimble)
5. Ness (can't forget him. I like his floaty movement and PK Thunder)
6. King Dedede (I can't resist, I just have to see how intimidating he is as a fighter, see if the hammer knocks the stuffing out of everyone)
7. Ike (if he's the new Marth, then sure, why not)
8. Pit (given how much I loved Paratroopa in Mario Tennis for his floaty feeling, and how Ness in the Smash Bros. series is also floaty, maybe I'll like Pit who can actually fly)
9. Luigi (old favorite, although I always felt his attacks were weak. Spamming Down-A was my key to winning)
10. Link (old favorite, fast)
And for the record, I checked the statistics I had on Melee (last time I played the game was 5-6 years ago, youch). Says I played Roy most of all, and Falco second-most. Must be that I was exclusively playing Roy ever since I unlocked him early on (before, I was playing either Sheik or Marth), and that Falco was unlocked pretty late.
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I actually hate that term, "main", pretty much because I really don't have one. Most of the time I played Melee I always switched up the characters I played as. I used Yoshi a lot, but I don't consider him my "main".
Even in college when I played in the gaming area, I chose tons of different characters, but I detested playing after awhile, because they worshipped the whole "no items Final Destination" rule.
I usually said after I was done playing "Good job guys, you really know how to make a great game suck royally." and hardly ever played afterward.
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I don't get it, if people want fighting games on flat planes with no items, why don't they play Street Fighter II, Street Fighter 3, Soul Calibur, Tekken, Tekken 2, Tekken 3, King of Fighters, Virtua Fighter, Dead or Alive, etc. because they are a lot better for that style of game play. I did have a friend who always used Falco and picked Final Destination, but he tolerated items, and I usually used Roy or Mario.
Also, why are people using spoiler tags in a topic titled SSBB Leak Thread [SPOILERS]? There's enough of a warning in the title, I think.
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because they worshipped the whole "no items Final Destination" rule.
I usually said after I was done playing "Good job guys, you really know how to make a great game suck royally." and hardly ever played afterward.
I don't think I've ever had items on whenever I played melee. And I always picked final destination because all the other courses seemed to have these "random hazards." Like in "Mushroom Kingdom - Rainbow Cruise" You focus too much on trying to stay on course rather than fighting.
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If you're in a tournament, turning items off and playing on Final Destination makes sense. If you're playing just to enjoy it, why ignore all the good stuff in the game?
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Also, why are people using spoiler tags in a topic titled SSBB Leak Thread [SPOILERS]? There's enough of a warning in the title, I think.
Because there's "Luigi is a character (even though it was more likely that I'd die getting out of bed than that he would be cut)" spoilers, and then there's "Here's the ending of the Subspace Emissary" spoilers. I mean, since, by all accounts, I really should be playing this game right now, I've allowed myself exposure to most spoilers. However, I'd like certain, more important bits hidden. Not like I'm telling you what to post, though--if I see something I wish I hadn't coming up, I'll just try to ignore it or deal with it.
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I don't get it, if people want fighting games on flat planes with no items, why don't they play Street Fighter II, Street Fighter 3, Soul Calibur, Tekken, Tekken 2, Tekken 3, King of Fighters, Virtua Fighter, Dead or Alive, etc. because they are a lot better for that style of game play.
The people who play Smash Bros in that style are usually the same people who can't win at normal fighting games such as those you suggested.
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Smash Brothers games are completely different from normal fighting games, even with a flat stage and no items.
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Yeah, but anybody who calls 'em "party games" gets a smack in the face.
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In that case, we have no choice but to call it a unique two-dimensional movement gravitational-centered platforming-utility-aided-combat simulator!
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In that case, we have no choice but to call it a unique two-dimensional movement gravitational-centered platforming-utility-aided-combat simulator!
sounds catchy!
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They are Smash Bros. Games
Much like Zelda games.
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Third-person puncher-bludgeoner-jumper.
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Chup's right. Smash Bros. is a genre, started by the game Super Smash Bros. Other games in the genre include Jump Super Stars and Viewtiful Joe: Red Hot Rumble.
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That's the double-edged sword of inventing a helf-new genre... every time someone makes another game like it, it's called a "rip-off".
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So, basically every other game in he genre is terrible? Well, no wonder Smash Bros is adding third party characters. Those com[anies can't even field a roster. Imagine a Sega Smah Bros. It'd be....50% Sonic characters and then obscureness like Samba de amigo and that kid from Decap attack. Actually, as a Sega fanboy from the nineties that's cool to ME but...
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So, is it called a "rip-off" when it's still at least published by Nintendo, as is the case with the two Jump games (which both go against that whole "lack of roster" thing by each having more playable characters than Brawl and having "clones" be slightly different movesets for the same character rather than different characters with shared moves)? Personally, I love being able to use Jotaru Kujo and Dio Brando (WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY) or Bobo-bo Bo-bobobo and Yugi Mutou to beat up Goku, Monkey D. Luffy, and Naruto just as much as I love being able to use Pichu to beat up Link, Mario, and Mr. G&W.
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Imagine all the wacky fun to be had with the stage builder? The stages look a bit too cramped this time. It's usually just a plain flat platform flying across the sky with a cool background. Thank god the temple is back! I hate small stages. Also thank god there is a stage builder! With that you can make wacky areas like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxfmDv8quIs
Also. does Kirby seem to by kinda like..... surfing on the boxes? I wonder how you do that.....
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Brawl appears to have tangibility more prominent than Melee. I saw this video in which Ness whacked someone with the bat, and the victim flew into another person, at least dealing some knockback (I don't remember whether or not the unlucky fellow took damage). The same thing would happen in Melee when you'd throw a person, but most of the time non-damaging hitboxes wouldn't do anything upon collision. Standing on crates happens now.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxfmDv8quIs
Also. does Kirby seem to by kinda like..... surfing on the boxes? I wonder how you do that.....
I fully expect to see a bunch of Stage Builder stages that focus on box surfing now. That was pretty cool. I imagine in the normal game that there would be only a few opportunities to do that though. Wonder if it's possible to recreate the "Donkey Kong balancing on metal barrel" trick in the first DKC. And Stage Builder's looking better, looks like you can create big varied stages with it.
How long until we see recreations of N64 and GameCube stages that didn't make it in? Or recreations of the old Hit The Targets stages? I always thought it'd be cool to fight in one of those stages because of the variety (probably since it was meant to be solo). That will certainly be what I'll re-create when I get the game.
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HEY GUYS LOOK. NEAR THE MIDDLE. IT'S AN ELECTROPLANTON STAGE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwzfN53yHXY
also, Pit is a char I think I will ignore. he yells "enenenenenene!" all the time! It's annoying.
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Yep, I've played on it. If you hit the leaves they turn orange and if you turn them all orange, a flower blossoms at the top. Also, some parts totally look like you can stand on them, but you really can't.
In conclusion, maybe love CAN blossom on the battlefield.
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I wonder how many people actually played Electroplankton.
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My mom went through hell to get me a cooy when it came out... and I still haven't played it! :O
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I wonder how many people actually played Electroplankton.
I bought it a year or so back. My synopsis (I write little summaries of what I thought about a DS game in the "Notes" section, just for fun): "Fun, but not $40 worth of it".
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Imagine a Sega Smah Bros. It'd be....50% Sonic characters and then obscureness like Samba de amigo and that kid from Decap attack.
I could see a roster similar to Sega Superstars Tennis, which can be seen on its Wikipedia page. It's 5/16 Sonic characters, but then again Sega's other franchises are nowhere near as successful as Nintendo's; I'm sure that if games such as LoZ and Pokemon were less successful, we'd have way more Mario reps in Brawl, possibly upwards of six.
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If you count Yoshi, Wario (of course those two are), DK and DK (well, depends on how you think of 'em), there are eight Mario characters. Not grouping franchises or multi-characters, Pokémon is the dominant franchise this time with Pikachu, Squirtle, Ivysaur, Charizard, Jigglypuff and Lucario: Six, as opposed to four characters bearing the Mushroom. Even then, Mario is behind Zelda, with five... but who doesn't consider Yoshi and Wario Mario characters?
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Not grouping franchises or multi-characters
Squirtle, Ivysaur, Charizard
Mario and Pokémon are tied.
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If you count Yoshi, Wario (of course those two are), DK and DK (well, depends on how you think of 'em), there are eight Mario characters. Not grouping franchises or multi-characters, Pokémon is the dominant franchise this time with Pikachu, Squirtle, Ivysaur, Charizard, Jigglypuff and Lucario: Six, as opposed to four characters bearing the Mushroom. Even then, Mario is behind Zelda, with five... but who doesn't consider Yoshi and Wario Mario characters?
They are Mario chars. But they branched off into there own little franchises. And they would need there own emblem or icon too. Imagine Yoshi with a mushroom icon..... kinda odd huh?
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Mario and Pokémon are tied.
...I said NOT grouping them. That is, counting RED as three characters. And not grouping franchises. That is, separating Yoshi and Wario from the characters with the mushroom for an emblem. Last I checked, six and four aren't the same.
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If you count Yoshi, Wario (of course those two are), DK and DK (well, depends on how you think of 'em), there are eight Mario characters. Not grouping franchises or multi-characters, Pokémon is the dominant franchise this time with Pikachu, Squirtle, Ivysaur, Charizard, Jigglypuff and Lucario: Six, as opposed to four characters bearing the Mushroom. Even then, Mario is behind Zelda, with five... but who doesn't consider Yoshi and Wario Mario characters?
DK and Wario have had their own successful franchises, with completely original characters, plotlines, locations etc, whereas Yoshi's games either feature Mario/Bowser/both, are set in the Mario universe and can sometimes even be placed into whatever Mario canon the fans decide on; therefore, even though the Yoshi emblem is different, he should be considered part of the Mario universe. (Though, for the next Smash, they could technically put either Kamek or Baby Mario under the Yoshi emblem as opposed to just generalising.) Wario is a bit of a grey area, though; he looks as though he's in his franchises equally, and even Brawl reflects that with the overalls option. So, I guess you could say Mario has five and a half to six characters, which still puts it behind or equal to Pokemon. Still, Toad, Waluigi and Bowser Junior all provide great moveset potential for SSB4 (if it's made) and Mario could retake the lead if it's played right.
btw, to be completely off-topic, here's the ground speed of all Brawl characters: http://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=brawlspeedchartvp0.jpg
Major WTD at Bowser being faster than Lucario, Ness and Falco.
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btw, to be completely off-topic, here's the ground speed of all Brawl characters: http://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=brawlspeedchartvp0.jpg
Major WTD at Bowser being faster than Lucario, Ness and Falco.
Maybe it's that Bowser moves fast for his size, but that's still pretty unlikely. Then again, he moved pretty fast when rushing you in Super Mario 64. What I can't believe is that Falco and Wolf are a lot slower than Fox. Hmm, might make me try Sheik again.
I don't think it's any surprise that Sonic and Captain Falcon are at the top of the list. Personally I always doubted Falcon's speed - sure he's fast in his racer, but he can't be that fast on foot... well, I was wrong.
And why is Donkey Kong faster than Mr. Game & Watch? And why is Luigi slower than Mario? And what makes Jigglypuff so pathetically slow? It makes me wonder if they're trying to make Jigglypuff a for-masters-only character.
btw, why the heck haven't I seen any YouTube videos for the entrances of every characters? Not text descriptions, not screenshots, but videos of every character's entrance. Not Subspace Emissary intro, not game opening, but their entrances into a battle. I'm too lazy to look up gameplay videos for every character to compensate. Mr. Game & Watch's entrance is certainly great.
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entrances of every characters?
You mean when the battle starts?
Now that I think about it, When a battle started in SSB, Mario would come out of a pipe, Pikachu would appear in a Pokéball, etc. I wonder why Melee left those out...
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Maybe they couldn't fit it on the disk?
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Probably
Weegee is in Brawl
Luigi is in Brawl
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No, SSBM was going far more into the concept of them being trophies.
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Here are most of the unlockables in the game:
Bonus Characters:
Complete any of the indicated tasks to unlock the corresponding character.
Captain Falcon
-Complete Classic mode in less than twenty minutes then defeat Captain Falcon in the bonus match.
-Play 70 Vs. mode matches.
Falco
-Complete 100-man Brawl.
-Play 50 Vs. mode matches.
Ganondorf
-Complete Classic mode under the Hard difficulty as Link or Zelda.
-Play 200 Vs. mode matches.
Jigglypuff
-Complete Classic mode with any character except Ike.
-Complete Event Match #20.
-Play 350 Vs. mode matches.
Lucario
-Defeat Lucario in Subspace Emissary as Meta Knight.
-Complete five Target Tests.
-Play 100 Vs. mode matches.
Luigi
-Complete Classic mode under the Easy difficulty without using continues.
-Play 22 Vs. mode matches.
-Defeat Luigi in Subspace Emissary.
Marth
-Complete Classic mode.
-Play 10 Brawls.
-Defeat Marth in the Subspace Emissary.
Mr. Game & Watch
-Complete Classic mode as all characters.
-Play 250 Vs. mode matches.
Ness
-Play 5 Vs. mode matches.
-Reflect ten projectiles.
-Defeat Ness in Subspace Emissary.
R.O.B. the robot
-Play 160 Vs. mode matches.
Snake:
-Play fifteen matches on Shadow Moses Island.
-Play 130 Vs. mode matches.
Sonic:
-Complete the Subspace Emissary.
-Play 300 Vs. mode matches.
Toon Link:
-Complete Classic mode as Link.
-Play 400 Vs. mode matches.
Wolf O'Donnell:
-Complete Subspace Emissary, then finish Boss Battle mode as Fox. Defeat Wolf after he challenges you to unlock him.
-Play 450 Vs. mode matches then defeat Wolf after he challenges you.
-Complete Subspace Emissary then go to the ruins to encounter and defeat Wolf.
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All-Star mode:
Unlock all bonus characters.
Boss Battle Mode:
Complete Subspace Emissary.
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Bonus Stages:
Complete the indicated task to unlock the corresponding stage.
75m: Brawl as Donkey Kong twenty times.
Big Blue (Melee): Brawl as Captain Falcon ten times.
Electroplankton: Complete Event Match #28.
Flat Zone 2: Unlock Mr. Game & Watch.
Frozen Hillside: Play on the Halberd stage ten times in Vs. mode.
Great Sea: Unlock Toon Link.
Green Greens: Play as as Kirby in twenty times in VS mode.
Green Hill Zone: Unlock Sonic.
Jungle Japes: Play any Melee stage ten times in Vs. mode.
Luigi's Mansion: Brawl as Luigi three times.
Mushroomy Kingdom: Complete Event Match #19.
Pokemon Stadium: Play on the Pokemon Stadium 2 stage ten times in VS mode.
Spear Pillar: Complete Event Match #25.
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Stage Builder Parts:
Complete the indicated task to unlock the corresponding parts
Edit Parts A: Play ten Vs. mode matches on Stage Builder stages.
Edit Parts B: Create five stages in Stage Builder mode.
Edit Parts C: Create fifteen stages in Stage Builder mode.
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Target Tests:
Complete Classic mode under the indicated difficulties to unlock the corresponding Target Test level (as well as any easier level).
Level 2 (Medium): Complete Classic mode twice under the Easy or once under the Medium difficulty.
Level 3 (Hard): Complete Classic Mode twice under the Medium or once under the Hard difficulty.
Level 4 (Very Hard): Complete Classic Mode twice under the Hard or once under the Very Hard difficulty.
Level 5 (Intense): Complete Classic Mode twice under the Very Hard or once under the Intense difficulty.
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Virtual Console Trials:
Complete the indicated task to unlock the corresponding trial
Donkey Kong: Play over ten hours.
F-Zero: Complete Subspace Emissary as Captain Falcon.
Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time: Play as Toon Link over ten times.
Super Mario USA: Win in Vs. mode as Peach over five times.
Super Mario World: Play Yoshi's Island (melee) over three times.
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Music:
Complete the indicated task to unlock the corresponding music CD.
02 Boss Theme from Kirby 64: Have 5,000 coins collected in Vs. Coin matches.
100-Man Melee 1: Complete 100-Man Brawl in under four minutes.
3D Hot Rally Title: Clear Target level 5.
Bob-Omb Battlefield from Super Mario 64: Accumulate 50 hours of Vs.mode game play.
Dream Chaser: Play ten Vs. mode matches in Port Town.
Ending from Metroid: Play ten Vs. mode matches on Norfair.
Excite Truck: Complete Target Test Level 2 under 19 seconds.
Fire Field: Complete Event Match #24.
Frozen Hillside: Play the Halberd stage ten times.
Goruda: Play ten Vs. mode matches on Halberd.
Great Temple: Complete Event Match #33 under the Difficult difficulty.
His World: Play ten Vs. mode matches on Green Hill Zone.
Ice Climbers (melee version): Complete Classic mode under the Easy difficulty.
Icicle Mountain: Complete Classic mode under the Normal difficulty.
Ike's Theme: Find Ike in the Subspace Emissary.
King Dedede's Theme: Complete Event Match #15.
Kuru Kuru Land: Get a distance of 400m in the Home Run Contest .
Legendary Air Rider Machine: Complete Event Match #13.
Love Song (commercial version): Get a combined distance of 12,500m in the Home Run Contest.
Mach Rider (melee version): Defeat fifty alloys in Endless Multi-Man Brawl.
Menu 2: Unlock all 35 characters.
Multi-Play from Metroid Prime 2: Play ten Vs. mode matches on Frigate Orpheon.
Mountain and Forest: Complete Event Match #18 under the Difficult difficulty.
Peach Castle (melee version): Unlock all Melee stages.
Pokemon Center: Collect 200 stickers.
Powerhungry Fool: Play ten Vs. mode matches on Castle Siege.
Road to Tokiwa: Complete Event Match #8.
Snake Eater: Play fifteen Vs. mode matches on Shadow Moses Island.
Song of Storms: Complete Event Match #37.
Staff Credits Music: Complete Classic mode under the Difficult difficulty.
Star Wolf from Star Fox: Assault: Complete Event Match #38 under the Difficult difficulty.
Taru Taru Highlands: Complete All-Star mode under the Easy difficulty.
Underwater BGM from Super Mario Bros.: Play 10 Vs. mode matches on Mushroomy Kingdom.
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(I think that this is my longest post so far!)
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You know, I'm pretty sure anyone can find these at a place like GameFAQs, so one of your longest posts also happens to be one of your most useless posts. =/
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You know, I'm pretty sure anyone can find these at a place like GameFAQs, so one of your longest posts also happens to be one of your most useless posts. =/
yeah, it kinda is useless, it won't help anyone in the United States for a while.
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Hey, I didn't read it (don't want to spoil everything), but I definitely applaud the concept.
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Hey, I didn't read it (don't want to spoil everything), but I definitely applaud the concept.
the only things it shows is all the secret: characters, stages, music, modes
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all the secret: characters, stages, music, modes
only
Understatement of the year.
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(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flizarddude.kontek.net%2FWackyForum%2FSpoiled.png&hash=f2ea8794433392107ecb947df0e35ea3)
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Sure it's possible. The English version of Brawl could still include the Spanish Inquisition.
In seriousness, I haven't seen an all-English trophy list yet, and I can't find the complete list of Assist Trophies. Not to mention we don't yet have pictures of all trophies.
How long until we see a picture of the Krystal trophy?
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Hi guys..... Check this out!! It's a Donkey Kong stage! Not sure if it has been mentioned here before but oh well.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sW9AywYprtY
wow, I think that its called "75m", check my above "unlockables list"
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wow, I think that its called "75m", check my above "unlockables list"
*after a while of thinking, realizes what 75m means* Of course, the third stage of Donkey Kong! Cool!
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Sure it's possible. The English version of Brawl could still include the Spanish Inquisition.
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its a good thing brawl will have gannondorf, everyone needs a strong character to pwn every morning.
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What, is that just what motivates you to get out of bed?
"Oh, man, I just can't get through the day without my coffee. How 'bout you?"
"Well, it's just not worth waking up unless I get to beat up Ganondorf in the morning..."
"........."
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yeah, pretty much.
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its a good thing brawl will have gannondorf, everyone needs a strong character to pwn every morning.
I do the same thing, except with bowser.
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Punching bags = a bad habit. All my negative assorted Melee records belong to Marth...
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One thing that has me a bit worried are a couple of subpar reviews for the game, saying the fighting of Brawl is slower than Melee, and something about weak sounds. But then, people were complaining about Melee before it came out, and it turned out pretty good. I remember that Melee had some sort of physics changes (either that or playing with a GameCube controller really does feel different than an N64 controller), so I'm sure I'll get used to the new style. I just hope that, if the fighting has slowed down, it's not enough for me to notice.
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One thing that has me a bit worried are a couple of subpar reviews for the game, saying the fighting of Brawl is slower than Melee, and something about weak sounds. But then, people were complaining about Melee before it came out, and it turned out pretty good. I remember that Melee had some sort of physics changes (either that or playing with a GameCube controller really does feel different than an N64 controller), so I'm sure I'll get used to the new style. I just hope that, if the fighting has slowed down, it's not enough for me to notice.
I seen videos for both Melee and Brawl, and the Brawl gameplay actually looks faster than Melee's
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Well, that could be the framerate, but I agree that it seems just as fast, if not faster.
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As for the weak sounds, they could be complaining about Pit's English voice.