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Miscellaneous => General Chat => Not at the Dinner Table => Topic started by: Weegee on March 24, 2010, 06:45:23 PM
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Everyone's favourite ultra-conservative boderline hatemonger, Ann Coulter, has cancelled her appearance at the University of Ottawa (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2010/03/23/ottawa-coulter-speech.html) after receiving a less-than-warm welcome from locals and a stern warning regarding "freedom of speech" (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2010/03/24/ottawa-ann-coulter-university.html) from the university's provost. Apparently, her views are so controversial that her statements could fall within the realm of hate speech, a criminal offence in Canada. It should be noted, however, that Coulter's organizers, not the university, are responsible for cancelling her Ottawa appearance, due to "security concerns", AKA getting her head blasted off. Coulter's statements in response to the controversy are included here (http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Organizers+university+cancelled+Coulter/2721580/story.html), by the way.
Personally, I'm simultaneously relieved and peeved to know that Coulter won't be speaking on Ottawa. For the former, she's a crazy ***** who poses an embarrassment to conservatives and Christians alike. However, it's aggravating to know that a liberal nutjob with equally extreme views would undoubtedly be lauded here, and, additionally, several of her comments following the cancellation were quite poignant, albeit outrageous.
So, does such a controversial figure need a muzzle for society's sake? Were Coulter's protesters justified, or are they just as guilty of intolerance as the woman herself? Do her viewpoints hold any credibility whatsoever?
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Too bad she won't be able to get her head blown off now....
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I don't know much about Ann Coulter, but you make a good point about a liberal still being allowed to speak in a similar situation. That said, I'm not sure I like a lot of Fox News commentators' methods of expression, but I do agree with them in essentials (Glenn Beck, for example, makes good points, but he can get pretty intense sometimes), so chances are I'd be more sympathetic with Ms. Coulter than the average bear.
Also, the concept of "hate speech" is a terrible one. I'm not sure about you guys up there, but the First Amendment down here means we should be able to speak out against (or for) anything or anyone we want. Of course, in today's age of being paralyzed for fear of offending someone or a group of someones, the idea of Freedom of Speech and Press also seems to be under attack.
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Stop whining.
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I agree with Turtlekid. I hate Ann Coulter, but she should be able to speak her mind.
It's because I can say that I hate her without being jailed that I support her right to spew hate. She'll be subject to intense scrutiny, but still.
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Anne Coulter? That ***** be uuuugly, ya mean?
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She's a hate spewing, idiotic *****. Also, she has a very prominent adam's apple.
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I'm not sure about you guys up there
The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms grants freedom of speech and the like, of course. However, sections 318 and 319 of the Criminal Code of Canada (http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/C-46/page-6.html#anchorbo-ga:l_VIII-gb:s_318) expressly prohibit "advocating genocide" and "publicly inciting hatred" against an "identifiable group". Thus, Coulter could legally blame all the world's woes on any people group of her choosing, but not incite discrimination or crimes against them.
Anne Coulter? That ***** be uuuugly, ya mean?
Pretty much. I'd say that she falls into the "shame about the face" category:
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gross
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gross.... just gross.
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Really gross. Canadians are close minded liberals (not all and no offense; it just seems that way).
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It's impossible to be close-minded and liberal.
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That idea in itself is close-minded. It's possible to be open-minded and conservative; closed-minded and conservative; open-minded and liberal; and close-minded and liberal.
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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/liberal
Note the broad-minded definition.
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Not really. Many liberals hold their position and refuse to consider the alternatives. In Canada, they have a nasty habit of kissing minorities' asses to make themselves look good, and accusing all who disagree with their actions of discrimination.
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I had a professor last semester who would often find excuses to go off on a tangent and give a ten-minute lecture on how the "collective human animal" needs to stop beating itself up and we must all come together as one in peace and love and harmony. This was often followed immediately by a ten-minute tirade about how any politician he disagreed with (e.g., Bush, Cheney, Lieberman) was a "treasonous, Jello-spined *******" who should be assassinated. He never saw the contradiction in effectively saying "Everyone needs to love each other, and if you're part of the 50% of the country that's not loving enough, I hate you."
If you only do good to those who do good to you, what good is that? Even the tax collectors do that. What ****ed me off so much about that guy was that he was doing the same thing everyone does -- the bare minimum of loving only the people who love him -- but he thought that because he was doing it, it made him morally superior. You guys are evil because you hate me, and I hate you for that, which is okay for me to do because you're evil.
So yeah, [people who politically identify as] liberals can definitely be closed-minded, just like the rest of us. I would venture to say that even most people who seem open-minded tend to just be open-minded to people who are open-minded the same way they are. And everyone is that way. But the ones who do it and call it open-mindedness get societal brownie points for being the right kind of closed-minded.
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Nothing more than frustration really, people tend to resort to that when things aren't going the way they like.
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I'm constantly reevaluating and changing my thoughts and position on things based on my most recent information. Why isn't everyone else?
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That's how science works. People aren't constantly reevaluating their positions because of preconceived notions and dogma.
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No, they're retaining static ideas because of preconceived notions and dogma instead.
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Mann Coulter