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Title: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: Nintendoobsessed on November 23, 2008, 04:21:49 PM
Which Mario character was the best or worst villian? Classical Bowser? Original Donkey Kong? New enemys, such as Dimentio? (From Super Paper Mario) Or even randoms, like Tatanga?


BEST: Bowser (1) Oh well...I guess I'm going for the simple vote.

WORST: Bowser Jr. (1) Was Nintendo even trying?

NOMINATIONS:

Mario Sports game (6)
2D Game (8)
3D Game (1)
Nintendo System {Which system had the best/worst games?} (1)



BEST Winners:
WEEK 1(Attacks): Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga
WEEK 2(Final Boss Battle): Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
WEEK 3(Music): Super Mario Galaxy
WEEK 4(Underwater Levels): Super Mario World
WEEK 5(Powerups): Super Mario Bros 3
WEEK 6(Bowser Level):Paper Mario
WEEK 7(First Boss): Super Mario 64
WEEK 8(Yoshi's Role): Yoshi's Island
WEEK 9(Intro): Super Mario Galaxy
WEEK 10(Ending): Paper Mario
WEEK 11(Races): Super Mario 64
WEEK 12(Non-Bowser bosses): Yoshi's Island
WEEK 13(Hub):Super Mario Sunshine
WEEK 14(Hub Dwellers): Super Mario Galaxy
WEEK 15(Title Screen): Super Mario 64
WEEK 16(Box Art): Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time
WEEK 17(Level Success Animation): Super Mario 64
WEEK 18(Ghost Levels): Super Mario World
WEEK 19(Castle/Fortress Music): Super Mario World
WEEK 20(Super Mario Bros. Remixes): Super Mario 64
WEEK 21(First Level): Super Mario 64
WEEK 22(Coins): Super Mario World
WEEK 23(Storyline): Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga
WEEK 24(Hub Music): Super Mario Galaxy
WEEK 25(Original Super Mario Bros Level): 1-1
WEEK 26(Characters): Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga
WEEK 27(Bowser): Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
WEEK 28(Lava/Fire Levels): Super Mario 64
WEEK 29(Sidequests): Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
WEEK 30(Non-Mario Playable Character): Yoshi

WORST Winners:
WEEK 13(Hub): Super Mario Galaxy/Super Paper Mario
WEEK 14(Hub Dwellers): Super Mario Sunshine
WEEK 15(Title Screen): Mario Kart Wii
WEEK 16(Box Art): Mario Kart Wii
WEEK 17(Level Success Animation): Super Mario Bros. 2(American)
WEEK 18(Ghost Levels): Super Mario Sunshine
WEEK 19(Castle/Fortress Music): Super Mario Bros. 3
WEEK 20(Super Mario Bros. Remixes): Super Mario All-Stars
WEEK 21(First Level): Super Mario Sunshine   
WEEK 22(Coins): Super Mario Galaxy
WEEK 23(Storyline): Super Mario Sunshine
WEEK 24(Hub Music): Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time
WEEK 25(Original Super Mario Bros Level): 8-3
WEEK 26(Characters): Super Mario RPG
WEEK 27(Bowser): Super Mario Sunshine
WEEK 28(Lava/Fire Levels): Super Mario Sunshine
WEEK 29(Sidequests): Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time
WEEK 30(Non-Mario Playable Character): Baby Daisy
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: BP on November 23, 2008, 04:23:38 PM
Best: Cackletta

Worst: Waaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrttttttttttttttttt

Oh yes I did.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: Luigalaxy on November 23, 2008, 06:16:18 PM
Best: Bowser Princess Shroob. Yeah. What?
Worst: Wart.

I nominate 2D Game.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: Kimimaru on November 23, 2008, 06:30:12 PM
Best: Bowser

Worst: Too hard to decide.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: Toad on November 23, 2008, 07:36:10 PM
Best: Wart. Who else has yet had the courage to try to take over everyone's dreams? (does Mario Party 5 count in this case?) Honorable mention to the Cackeltta/Fawful combo in Superstar Saga: Cackeltta for a cool plan, Fawful for just being Fawful.

Worst: Petey Pirahna. He is a giant baby that just pukes all over the place and he only got more annoying the more games he was in (though I did like his desgin in Brawl..) Horrible mention to Bowser Jr. When do we get to see the real Koopalings again?

Nominee: 2D game
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: BP on November 23, 2008, 07:53:13 PM
When do we get to see the real Koopalings again?

Whenever you play SMB3, SMW or any other game with them again.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: BriGuy92 on November 23, 2008, 09:35:39 PM
Best: Fawful. He's just Fawful. And no, that was not a pun.

Worst: Petey Piranha. Seriously, he was a lame boss in Sunshine, and apparently everyone at Nintendo loved him because he;s been in nearly every game since.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: ShadowBrain on November 23, 2008, 10:13:38 PM
Best: Shadow Queen was pretty neat.
Worst: Bowser Jr.'s definitely irritating, but I'd probably have to say Princess Shroob.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: NintendoExpert89 on November 23, 2008, 10:27:50 PM
Best: Count Bleck. The only villain whose motive wasn't lust for power.

Worst: Wart. The least developed (main) villain of any Mario game.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: Kojinka on November 24, 2008, 12:34:38 AM
Best:  Although Bowser is the classic recurring villain in the entire franchise, I have to go with Fawful.  He has the most memorable and funny lines.

Worst:  I can't decide right at the moment.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: BP on November 24, 2008, 01:21:33 AM
Way to go, Kojinka! You're on your way to total realization that old and awesome are not the same thing.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: Sqrt2 on November 24, 2008, 03:49:43 AM
Best: Bowser because he's hilarious in PM:TTYD

Worst: Petey Piranha, because he's epically lame.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: jdaster64 on November 24, 2008, 07:21:51 AM
Best: Fawful. Badly needs to return in M&L 3.

Worst: Petey Piranha, overused and pointless from the beginning.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: Count Bleck on November 24, 2008, 11:54:31 AM
This one should be obvious from me...BLECK! X3

Best: Count Bleck - A much more interesting and curious villain than many of the other one-shot villains, who's tragic past is his motivation for villainry...and scoring at the same time! :D

Worst: WAAAAART - Seriously, a giant Toad?...>>;;; { I love Mario 2, just so you know. }
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: Reading on November 24, 2008, 04:09:25 PM
Those who know me a bit can probably guess my answer beforehand...

Best: Count Bleck. I'll avoid mentioning the secret backstory, for those who haven't beaten Super Paper Mario, but it's the reason he's so unique and awesome as a villain. His mannerisms and personality are great too - "What!? spat Count Bleck in utter disbelief." XD

Worst: I'm tempted to go with Bowser, just because of his extreme overusage, but he's been developed as a character, and sometimes he's good for comic relief or actual awesome villainry. I'd have to go with...Wart. There's nothing that makes him stand out at all. An evil toad who shoots bubbles trying to take over a dream world...yeah, real creative and original. Of course, he was just ported from Doki Doki Panic...
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: SushieBoy on November 24, 2008, 04:42:59 PM
Best: X-Naut Army. they are just the ones that I enjoyed more than the others. Honorable mentions are count Bleck and Dimentio.

Worst: Bowser Jr, just very annoying.

I also vote for the Nintendo system one.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: Luigison on November 24, 2008, 05:11:19 PM
Way to go, Kojinka! You're on your way to total realization that old and awesome are not the same thing.
You mean I'm not the most awesome person here?

Best:  Fawful or Shadow Queen

Worst:  Bowser Jr.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: Turtlekid1 on November 24, 2008, 05:17:14 PM
Best: Bowser.  He's both menacing and funny.  It's very hard to do a comic relief villain without sacrificing most of the character's gravity.  Maybe it's possible with Bowser because he's very heavy.  Also, check the username; turtle-like characters FTW.

Worst: Ummm... Petey Piranha, because he disgusts me (Gooper Blooper is a close second-worst).
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: jmdblazer on November 24, 2008, 09:39:48 PM
Best: Shadow Queen

Worst: Wart

I vote for best 2-d game.
Title: Week 31 Results
Post by: Nintendoobsessed on November 28, 2008, 01:11:31 PM
Week 31: Villian(s)

BEST:

Bowser (5)
Fawful (3.50)
Count Bleck (3)
Shadow Queen (2.50)
Cackletta (1)
Princess Shroob (1)
Wart (1)
X-Nauts (1)

WORST:

Petey Pirahna (4)
Wart (4)

Bowser Jr. (1)
Princess Shroob (1)

Tiebreaker needed for Petey Pirahna and Wart.


NOMINATIONS:

Mario Sports game (6)
2D Game (11)
3D Game (1)
Nintendo System {Which system had the best/worst games?} (2)


2D Game Next Week.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: ShadowBrain on November 28, 2008, 01:19:38 PM
Petey's worse. Wart needs a comeback!
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: NintendoExpert89 on November 28, 2008, 02:43:40 PM
Wart's worse. Being in a few spin-offs shouldn't qualify a villain to be bad. At least Petey had several other traits compared to Wart's one dimensional hate of vegetables.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: ShadowBrain on November 28, 2008, 03:46:13 PM
Petey has traits? He's a giant, bipedal Pirahna Plant in a polka-dot bikini bottom. His spinoff status is hardly a problem, really.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: Kimimaru on November 28, 2008, 04:50:28 PM
I vote Wart worse because Petey Piranha at least tries to get you back and shows some character traits, such as stupidity, when he yells very loud at the top of the windmill in Bianco Hills, and he just realizes that his huge body can break the roof of the windmill, even though he has been on it before Mario came. Wart doesn't show any character traits.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: jmdblazer on November 28, 2008, 05:12:51 PM
Ya! Wart has basically no character at all!
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: Captain Jim on November 29, 2008, 02:11:21 AM
Every time someone says Wart or Stanley the Bugman need to make a comeback, a baby dies.

Remember, kids. Just because a character is "neglected" and "obscure" doesn't mean it's a good idea for them to come back.

EDIT: Also, remember what happened the last time a character was "resurrected" like that?

(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi274.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fjj266%2FCaptain__Jim%2Fhiim.png&hash=d797e3aa4da65a1f7f4fbeacb7678d8c)
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: ShadowBrain on November 29, 2008, 09:20:35 AM
Ya! Wart has basically no character at all!
Maybe he'd develop some if he was in more then two games.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: The Chef on November 29, 2008, 10:46:01 AM
You're all a bunch of frog-haters. >:(
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: Captain Jim on November 29, 2008, 12:01:45 PM
No, I'm a "Resurrect a character and doom them to a life of sports, kart, and party games with a two-dimensional personality" hater.

Honestly, I believe what's happening is you're disappointed with the current state of characters, so you look at characters such as Wart, Stanley, the Koopalings, and Geno through rose-tinted glasses, thinking that if they made a come back, all would be well, and Shadow Brian would start liking Nintendo games again.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: Chupperson Weird on November 29, 2008, 12:23:19 PM
Hey man, Geno actually is cool.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: Nintendoobsessed on November 29, 2008, 12:30:29 PM
Every time someone says Wart or Stanley the Bugman need to make a comeback, a baby dies.

Remember, kids. Just because a character is "neglected" and "obscure" doesn't mean it's a good idea for them to come back.

EDIT: Also, remember what happened the last time a character was "resurrected" like that?

(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi274.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fjj266%2FCaptain__Jim%2Fhiim.png&hash=d797e3aa4da65a1f7f4fbeacb7678d8c)

Uh...Captain Syrup came back, and nothing bad really happened? Although, I do agree, they had no soul, they shant come back!
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: BP on November 29, 2008, 04:25:40 PM
Stanley was made to take the bullet instead of Mario if Donkey Kong 3 sucked. And it did, so he took the bullet. We're all thankful he's dead and not Mario.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: The Chef on November 29, 2008, 06:39:57 PM
Seeing him in Smash Bros. as an Assist is more likely than anything else these days, though it would be funny to see him make a background cameo in a future Mario game or something.

EDIT: Wait, I thought the reason DK3 tanked was because Mario wasn't in it! What gives?
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: Captain Jim on November 29, 2008, 07:04:46 PM
No, DK3 tanked because it sucked. Stanley's sole purpose was to keep Mario from being ruined if the game sucked.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: Chupperson Weird on November 29, 2008, 08:17:11 PM
Oddly, I don't find DK3 all that bad.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: ShadowBrain on November 30, 2008, 08:10:20 AM
Wasn't it a clone of some game?
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: The Chef on November 30, 2008, 08:25:41 AM
Not that I know of. For the record, I liked it too. Saying the game tanked because you don't like it (this means you, Jim) is ridiculous.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: Chupperson Weird on November 30, 2008, 10:13:08 AM
Well, it was wildly unsuccessful, in the words of Deezer.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: The Chef on November 30, 2008, 11:13:35 AM
And I once heard that one of the reasons for it's failure was because Mario wasn't in it.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: BP on November 30, 2008, 01:53:21 PM
So what you're saying is, Stanley the Bugman makes games suck.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: SolidShroom on November 30, 2008, 01:58:25 PM
But his trophy is in Melee.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: BP on November 30, 2008, 02:09:18 PM
Yeah? And? It's not in Brawl, now is it?
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: Toad on November 30, 2008, 02:29:40 PM
Wart doesn't have a trophy in either game.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: The Chef on November 30, 2008, 03:46:11 PM
A) Melee didn't suck before Brawl was released.

B) It's not Stanley's presence, it's the lack of Mario's presence. This is why people tend to hate on Wario's Woods and Mario is Missing.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: BP on November 30, 2008, 04:03:51 PM
People hate on Wario's Woods? And are you saying Mario is Missing! is actually any good? I mean, you've gotta be kidding me if you think most people don't like Luigi's Mansion either.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: Captain Jim on November 30, 2008, 04:26:55 PM
The Chef, you're putting WAAAAY too much faith in Mario. It's widely accepted that DK3 tanked because it was bad, not being able to live up to its predecessors. Not because Mario was replaced by Stanley the Bugman, who was made just to save Mario's rep if DK3 tanked. Which it did.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: The Chef on November 30, 2008, 05:15:18 PM
Gentlemen, I wasn't being serious with that last one. Gimme a break.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: BP on November 30, 2008, 07:15:05 PM
So you're saying you fueled our side of the discussion on purpose?
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: ShadowBrain on November 30, 2008, 07:50:43 PM
Wart doesn't have a trophy in either game.
Wait... I could've sworn there was one in Melee, at least.

Technically, Mario was in Luigi's Mansion...
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: Nintendoobsessed on November 30, 2008, 08:04:47 PM
Nope, no Wart Trophy.


I thought DK3 was a fun game, if not, a little perverted...:P
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: Chupperson Weird on November 30, 2008, 09:11:09 PM
Mario was in Mario is Missing, too. Come on.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: jmdblazer on December 02, 2008, 06:29:45 PM
I don't think many people would want to play to the end, though.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: Chupperson Weird on December 02, 2008, 08:04:32 PM
He's in the intro.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: penguinwizard on December 05, 2008, 12:30:00 AM
Wario's Woods was cool (and Toad's the star). Mario is Missing sucked because it wasn't fun, not because it didn't have Mario (just try saying the game would be enjoyable if you were Mario rescuing Luigi). I thought DKC3 did poorly because Super Mario 64 just came out or was coming out soon, and yeah, that definitely would have distracted from the game. I didn't like DKC3 as much as the previous games, just wasn't as memorable, but I think the game was still good. If nothing else, it still had amazing music. I played through Mario is Missing... it was the first game I ever beat... I know, that's sad.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: WarpRattler on December 05, 2008, 12:37:40 AM
I agree that Wario's Wood rocked and that Mario is Missing sucked, but regardless of how true what you were saying in the rest of your post is (I never really played DKC2 or 3, since I only owned the first), I think you have Donkey Kong Country 3 confused with Donkey Kong 3 (which pretty much did suck).
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: ShadowBrain on December 05, 2008, 08:01:48 AM
Now, when discussing Wario's Woods, is it assumed one is referring to the SNES or NES version? (one of the rare instances where Nintendo put a game on two different generations of consoles at roughly the same time, if I'm correct. Then there was that Wario Blast game with Bomberman on the GB, but that was something else entirely...) Because I've played only the NES version and... it's pretty fun, I guess. It's been a while though, so I'm not one to judge.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: The Chef on December 05, 2008, 07:15:24 PM
Wario's Woods definitely is awesome, but part of me wondered if it went overlooked because there's no sign of Mario in it.

I can't be the only man in the world who doesn't think DK3 sucks entirely, though.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: ShadowBrain on December 05, 2008, 07:52:48 PM
Generally, I actually pay more attention to a game if Wario's in it, owing to the usual quirkiness of his games and how few of them there are.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: Toad on December 05, 2008, 08:26:54 PM
Wario's Woods definitely is awesome, but part of me wondered if it went overlooked because there's no sign of Mario in it.

I can't be the only man in the world who doesn't think DK3 sucks entirely, though.

Wario's Woods should be remade for the DS, with Wario Ware characters replacing those from Wario's Woods. Also, all remakes should follow the same guidelines as the recent Kirby Superstar Ultra. That was an awesome remake.

DK3.. Are we talking Donkey Kong 3 (with Stanley) or Donkey Kong Country 3 (with.. baby Kong. What's his name)?
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: Chupperson Weird on December 05, 2008, 08:38:43 PM
Kiddy.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: NintendoExpert89 on December 06, 2008, 04:56:26 PM
I've played both versions of Wario's Woods, and both are great, but I do like the SNES version more.

NES has the unique boss fights, but the SNES has the large variety of backgrounds and themes, the VS COM mode (I've beaten both it and its Super Hard mode), and much better music (in terms of the melodies, not quality) and sound.
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: WarpRattler on December 06, 2008, 05:13:22 PM
The SNES version also gives the player the ability to lift diamonds and has dedicated kick buttons (though it's understandable that they weren't in the NES version).
Title: Re: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 31: Villian(s)
Post by: The Chef on December 07, 2008, 08:14:34 AM
I've always wondered whatever happened to the Wario's Woods bosses. I once had an idea for another game starring Toad that featured them, and it was an SMB2-esque platformer.