Post by: ¥tterbiJúm on April 17, 2004, 10:15:59 PM
I'll start us off.
Yes, I believe in God.
C: #define SIG "This is a sig."
C++: const std::string SIG = "This is a sig.";
Java: static final java.lang.String SIG = "This is a sig.";
Basic: This is a sig.
:)
Post by: Watoad on April 17, 2004, 10:22:02 PM
As for me, yes, I believe and trust in God.
"Greetings from Belgium, the only country in Europe where the leading source of natural gas is the local dairy farm."
Post by: Forest Guy on April 18, 2004, 12:50:16 AM
By the by, might wanna change your question 'round because Jews also believe in God, unless you wanna find out if there's any atheists or Muslims or something here.
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Post by: TEM on April 18, 2004, 07:46:40 AM
Time slowed and Reality bent.
But on and on the Eggman went.
Post by: Koopaslaya on April 18, 2004, 08:28:48 AM
And Meowrik, Muslims DO believe in the God of the Jews, and Catholics: they believe in God.
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Post by: Insane Steve on April 18, 2004, 08:57:16 AM
~I.S.~
Post by: Screech on April 18, 2004, 09:06:14 AM
I might be Sadib...
Post by: ¥tterbiJúm on April 18, 2004, 10:54:26 AM
C: #define SIG "This is a sig."
C++: const std::string SIG = "This is a sig.";
Java: static final java.lang.String SIG = "This is a sig.";
Basic: This is a sig.
:)
Post by: Markio on April 18, 2004, 10:59:42 AM
Signature under Construction.
Post by: The Big Boo on April 18, 2004, 01:10:54 PM
Post by: Lizard Dude on April 18, 2004, 01:11:56 PM
“I’m a stupid fatty and I love to play with my Easy Bake oven.â€
Post by: Nameneko on April 18, 2004, 01:27:58 PM
"There are no such things as stupid questions, just stupid people."
Post by: Forest Guy on April 18, 2004, 01:33:43 PM
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Post by: Markio on April 18, 2004, 02:45:14 PM
What ghost?
No, seriously, I mean dead spirits that roam around and all that. Angels are different.
Signature under Construction.
Post by: n/a on April 18, 2004, 06:52:41 PM
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Post by: ¥tterbiJúm on April 18, 2004, 06:56:39 PM
Yes: 8
No: 1 (Edit: 2)
C: #define SIG "This is a sig."
C++: const std::string SIG = "This is a sig.";
Java: static final java.lang.String SIG = "This is a sig.";
Basic: This is a sig.
:)
Edited by - ¥tterbiJúm on 4/18/2004 5:58:19 PM
Post by: Trainman on April 18, 2004, 08:42:49 PM
Link to the page number of your explanation, please?
"If I had my way everyone in my school would be dead." ~Makar
Post by: Sapphira on April 18, 2004, 08:49:08 PM
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Wise men talk because they have something to say;
fools, because they have to say something.
Post by: Forest Guy on April 18, 2004, 09:04:23 PM
Sapphira can vouch for me.
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Post by: Markio on April 18, 2004, 09:06:46 PM
A day without sunshine is like night.
Post by: Insane Steve on April 18, 2004, 09:35:53 PM
That was before Texas Hold 'Em gave me a social life. Amazing how gambling can actually IMPROVE one's life.
~I.S.~
Post by: Fifth on April 18, 2004, 10:51:18 PM
It's not that I don't have a spiritual side, but the convetnional concept of a "god" just doesn't appeal to me.
Go Moon!
Post by: Popple on April 18, 2004, 10:55:39 PM
Let me away from this boulder!
Post by: Lizard Dude on April 19, 2004, 12:19:33 AM
“I’m a stupid fatty and I love to play with my Easy Bake oven.â€
Post by: Black Mage on April 20, 2004, 05:44:44 PM
After reading the "Religion" thread, that would become obnoxiously obvious. (Don't tell LORD_DUKE, though.)
Post by: GiftedGirl on May 07, 2004, 06:38:24 PM
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SONIC: Oh crud.
SONYA: What?
SONIC: Eggman''s robot is behind you.
SONYA: Yeah right. I''ll belive that when the sky rains-- *robot grabs Sonya*--pigs. Oh fart.
Post by: Wheel_kirby on May 07, 2004, 07:07:56 PM
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Everything above was sarcasm. Please ignore everything I have just said.
Post by: Jman on May 08, 2004, 08:30:13 PM
I am a devoted Christian, I have a personal relationship with Christ. This is why I don't listen to stuff like Marilyn Manson and other group's songs that talk about the devil.
I enjoy much Christian music. Artists like DC Talk, Michael W. Smith, Audio Adrenaline, they are among my favorites.
Post by: ¥tterbiJúm on May 08, 2004, 09:42:42 PM
Oh yeah, and the Yes/No count is thus far:
Yes: 13
No: 4
At least I think so...
Bozone, n.:
The layer of gas surrounding a person which prevents good ideas from penetrating.
Post by: gunblade88 on May 08, 2004, 11:21:40 PM
Edited by - gunblade88 on 5/8/2004 10:22:14 PM
Post by: Forest Guy on May 08, 2004, 11:24:02 PM
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Post by: nintendofreak on May 08, 2004, 11:31:58 PM
Jman, how could you not like "Hotel California"? It is The Eagles' best song that they ever recorded!
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Edited by - nintendofreak on 5/8/2004 10:33:44 PM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on May 10, 2004, 11:12:44 PM
Post by: Jman on May 12, 2004, 02:44:26 PM
Jman''s various quote of the week #5: If I wanted a signature, I''d have gotten one a long time ago.
Post by: Chupperson Weird on May 12, 2004, 07:47:24 PM
It’s hard to make up your mind when you don’t have one.
Post by: Jman on May 14, 2004, 04:23:40 PM
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 11, 2006, 12:16:33 PM
Post by: Koopaslaya on January 11, 2006, 01:37:48 PM
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 11, 2006, 02:34:57 PM
Post by: dude677 on January 11, 2006, 02:48:04 PM
Bump means to:
Post something in a 'dead' topic to have it at the top of the list
That IS against the rules here, unless it IS important.
Post by: Bigluigifan1.0 on January 11, 2006, 02:48:45 PM
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 11, 2006, 03:10:33 PM
Post by: MaxVance on January 11, 2006, 03:16:47 PM
Post by: Koopaslaya on January 11, 2006, 03:26:08 PM
Post by: Bigluigifan1.0 on January 11, 2006, 03:29:50 PM
Post by: Khold on January 11, 2006, 03:53:04 PM
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 11, 2006, 04:22:46 PM
Post by: Ultima Shadow on January 11, 2006, 04:38:23 PM
BTw, I'm Roman Catholic.
Post by: dude677 on January 11, 2006, 04:42:57 PM
I am Phylorist. I belive in many gods. Some people might find that some how rare, but it really isn't.
Is it Roman, Greek, or Egyptian?
Post by: Khold on January 11, 2006, 04:45:29 PM
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 11, 2006, 05:25:17 PM
Post by: Khold on January 11, 2006, 06:07:24 PM
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 11, 2006, 06:09:49 PM
Post by: Khold on January 11, 2006, 06:14:01 PM
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 11, 2006, 06:18:40 PM
Post by: Khold on January 11, 2006, 06:28:07 PM
Post by: dude677 on January 11, 2006, 06:31:14 PM
No offense taken, right?
If it is taken, then call me 'Puny Filipino Boy' all you want.
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 11, 2006, 06:36:11 PM
http://www.submission.org/salat-how.html. i lvoe my religion. our holy book is called the Quran. were a religion of peace and righteouness
Post by: Markio on January 11, 2006, 07:02:12 PM
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 11, 2006, 07:10:58 PM
Post by: HolyAarom on January 11, 2006, 07:12:21 PM
Also, in class once, my friend didn't know how to pronounce polytheism so he said Polly-O. XD.
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 11, 2006, 07:20:16 PM
Post by: Khold on January 11, 2006, 07:25:13 PM
Wow, Khold, never knew you were an Egyptian.I'm not Egyptian, but our religion was originated there. My ancestors have lived in Scotland for eight generations as far as I know. I moved to America about five years ago.
No offense taken, right?
If it is taken, then call me 'Puny Filipino Boy' all you want.
And why would somebody make fun of you like that? That would be very insulting.
And pt_peach, our religion is also based on improving the world as we see today. A part of our practices is to donate to the less fortunate parts of the world.
We have six gods:
God of Wisdom- Ohoa
God of the Sea- Aquyi
God of the Skies- Cise
God of Spirit- Ghoma
God of Love- Khlomus
God of Time- Naryu(Coincidentally, the same name from Zelda)
EDIT: Oh, and God, with the capital G. The MAIN god.
Post by: Markio on January 11, 2006, 07:45:02 PM
Post by: Mr. Wiggles on January 11, 2006, 07:58:21 PM
I won't specify which though...
Post by: Koopaslaya on January 11, 2006, 08:21:55 PM
If your Catholic and you know it, clap your hands!
Post by: PaperLuigi on January 11, 2006, 08:45:04 PM
Post by: TEM on January 11, 2006, 08:48:36 PM
Post by: Khold on January 11, 2006, 09:49:45 PM
Post by: The Blue Toad on January 11, 2006, 09:50:38 PM
Post by: Suffix on January 11, 2006, 09:55:32 PM
Post by: BP on January 11, 2006, 09:58:47 PM
Post by: Sapphira on January 11, 2006, 10:12:16 PM
I'm a Christian, and my faith is extemely important and relevant to me in all aspects of my life. As Suffix said his church is, mine is also non-denominational. Actually, I think we're technically "multi-denominational." Well, either way, it doesn't have one "assigned," and I don't assign one to myself, either, as denominations are not what's important; it's the core beliefs behind it all. As for the "gray areas" and different methods of doing certain things, which denominations have split themselves over, different people have their own personal opinions about those things, and it's subjective, so... Hmm, I forgot my point. Oh well. XD
See the "Religion" thread.
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 11, 2006, 10:21:17 PM
Post by: Khold on January 11, 2006, 10:22:06 PM
I'm just waiting for Game Over to say something insulting to our cause.:-\
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 11, 2006, 10:23:06 PM
Post by: Khold on January 11, 2006, 10:25:31 PM
i love my religion and I will never convert. i feel strongly about my religion. in Islam, we call God "God" or Allah because Allah is just the arabic word for God. we fast in ramadan for 30 days. we eat before sunrise and make the morning prayers and before the sun comes up. we break fast at sunset before our sunset prayerYeah, my friend is Muslim, too. He was telling me about that, and I was going to take part of it next time just to observe his religion. I think it's kind of neat. I like how Muslims practice their religion.
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 11, 2006, 10:26:30 PM
Post by: Sapphira on January 11, 2006, 10:40:38 PM
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 11, 2006, 10:41:52 PM
Post by: BP on January 12, 2006, 01:15:34 AM
A real long time ago, before I learned of Mario...
It was not summer. I know that. The cover was over the pool and the ladder removed. I went outside, unnoticed, and fell in the pool, reaching for a toy. I don't remember it, but my Aunt who was babysitting me does. I came into the house soaking wet, and said "I fell in he pool. Don't worry, Grandpa got me out."
My grandpa's miracle, before this event: My mom's side of the family loses their memory at an old age. I might be lucky, getting my mom's health (for her side's... largness, they have astounding blood pressure) and my dad's memory (type #2 diabetic, but no memory problems), but my grandpa lost his memory. My mom prayed for him to remember his family before departing, and began losing her own focus because of constant prayer. The day before, he remembered everythng. He remembered everyone in the family, he remembered me, and we knew that the prayers came true. My mom called everyone announcing this, but knowing his time was gone. He died... but the prayers were fulfilled.
Oh, and while I find it unlikely that we came from monkeys, I believe the earth came about from a reaction... because God wanted it to happen. Where'd the moon come from? Ask God how he did it. See, religion and science don't have to cancel each other out!
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 12, 2006, 01:35:08 AM
Post by: Game Over on January 12, 2006, 01:56:57 AM
Tell me something, if any of you go to church, why?
Are you afraid? ARE YOU AFRAID!? DO YOU FEEL LUCKY PUNK?
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 12, 2006, 01:59:22 AM
Post by: Game Over on January 12, 2006, 02:02:28 AM
huh? youre an atheist, arent you. you sorta acting as if someone said something to offend you, geeze
I like skittles...
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 12, 2006, 02:04:26 AM
Post by: Game Over on January 12, 2006, 02:05:36 AM
0_o
I find that offenseeve sir I will now give you the backhand of an oven mit.
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 12, 2006, 02:10:22 AM
Post by: Game Over on January 12, 2006, 02:17:39 AM
im not a sir and i find that offensive. i gave you the "0_o" becasue i thought it was wierd that you posted you like skittles on this topicIndeed, so you think Tom Cruise is a good man?
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 12, 2006, 02:19:59 AM
Post by: Game Over on January 12, 2006, 02:23:19 AM
eh? why would you ask that?Because...you murdered Abraham Lincoln!
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 12, 2006, 02:25:00 AM
Post by: BP on January 12, 2006, 02:29:27 AM
I thought you said you worshipped a Tickle-Me-Elmo, G.O. What sorts of miracles does his mystical giggling provide for those who believe?
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 12, 2006, 02:31:21 AM
Post by: BP on January 12, 2006, 02:33:55 AM
Post by: Game Over on January 12, 2006, 02:39:56 AM
*I stab Elmo with a smirk on my face*
Haha, he was worthless. What a waste of my time...
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 12, 2006, 02:47:26 AM
Post by: Game Over on January 12, 2006, 04:16:40 AM
thank you. but seriously, you were scaring me with those remarksGood, they were supposed to.
Post by: Markio on January 12, 2006, 08:35:41 AM
Post by: Mr. Wiggles on January 12, 2006, 10:20:49 AM
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 12, 2006, 11:44:34 AM
Post by: Insane Steve on January 12, 2006, 12:55:15 PM
No. My explainations are in the thread Watoad posted.
~I.S.~
Wow. Amazing how little some things change as time progresses. Indeed.
It'd appear that I'm in the minority, though. I'm not surprised.
And please stop turning every topic into "The Pointless Topic." We already have one of those. Thank you.
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 12, 2006, 01:39:52 PM
sommebody ask me something
Post by: Lizard Dude on January 12, 2006, 02:21:03 PM
Oh, and while I find it unlikely that we came from monkeys, I believe the earth came about from a reaction... because God wanted it to happen. Where'd the moon come from? Ask God how he did it. See, religion and science don't have to cancel each other out!
Well then we could have come from monkeys, too, if God wanted it to happen.
Post by: Bigluigifan1.0 on January 12, 2006, 02:31:58 PM
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 12, 2006, 02:35:49 PM
Post by: Lizard Dude on January 12, 2006, 02:48:55 PM
Post by: Suffix on January 12, 2006, 03:09:39 PM
Post by: Ambulance Y on January 12, 2006, 03:21:02 PM
Post by: TEM on January 12, 2006, 03:30:21 PM
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 12, 2006, 03:41:19 PM
Post by: Koopaslaya on January 12, 2006, 04:06:18 PM
One of the best examples is an experiment conducted on domestic dogs. It actually proved that they evolved from wolfs, but were selected by people for their best traits. Over many, many years, they began to change physical appearance. This is supported by comparing Mitochondrial DNA in the dog to mitochondrial DNA to a wolf.
This is my opnion. I don't think it is too hard to figure out, especially since there is overwhelming evidance to prove evoution. And the beautiful thing is... absolutely none of this contradicts the truths found in Genesis!
Then again, I am going WAY off topic, according to the first post in this thread. I do appologize.
Post by: Khold on January 12, 2006, 04:17:01 PM
~Sorry to edit your post, but there's no need to quote the post directly above yours, especially since it was long. ~Sapph
EDIT: Sorry Sapphira, it's a bad habit. XD I'll be more aware.
Post by: Koopaslaya on January 12, 2006, 04:22:20 PM
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 12, 2006, 04:40:21 PM
Post by: Game Over on January 12, 2006, 09:20:55 PM
Post by: Koopaslaya on January 12, 2006, 09:25:14 PM
In the mean time, you can be assured of my prayers.
Post by: Khold on January 12, 2006, 09:27:21 PM
I'm sorry, but this is really upsetting me.
Post by: Game Over on January 12, 2006, 09:27:48 PM
Please do not inslut my reliegion. Please do not insult anyone's reliegion. It just isn't polite. If that is the way you feel, keep it to yourself. You don't see any of the other non-believers here making fun of our religion.
In the mean time, you can be assured of my prayers.
That is a load of crap because everyone else here seems to be able to say evolution is not true.
Post by: Khold on January 12, 2006, 09:28:38 PM
Post by: Game Over on January 12, 2006, 09:29:36 PM
Okay, this is getting ridiculous. Ever since you came here, all I've heard was insults, criticism, and immature remarks. What you just said was VERY wrong. I'm sure a lot of people are highly offended by that. You either need to learn some respect for people's religion and comments, or leave.
I'm sorry, but this is really upsetting me.
You know what, fine, believe in your stupid fairy tale creature you call god. I don't even care any more, it's not like I can have an opinion that is different from everyone elses on this board.
Post by: BP on January 12, 2006, 09:30:41 PM
i dont believe in evolution because i dont believe humans decended from apes and the such. it's my point of view, it's not religous
My disbelief of evolution is logical, actually. If we acam from monkeys, why are the monkeys alive today not humans? And why is there nothing in between monkey and human? It's a stupid idea.
Post by: Suffix on January 12, 2006, 09:32:41 PM
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 12, 2006, 09:33:59 PM
Post by: Markio on January 12, 2006, 09:34:48 PM
Also, I remember hearing that it was impossible for God to have created the world in one week, but that it is the same mircale of creation whether it took many centuries or not.
I'm not sure where I stand on evolution. It's a neat concept, though.
Post by: Game Over on January 12, 2006, 09:36:03 PM
Game Over, that's enough. Instead of expressing views, you succeed only in aggravating others.
Man, get off my back. Don't even try to tell me that crap. All you guys ever do is tell me I'm offensive for having my own opinion and then say that a statement that wouldn't offend a first grader is offensive. Where do you get off huh?
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 12, 2006, 09:36:25 PM
Post by: Khold on January 12, 2006, 09:39:02 PM
Man, get off my back. Don't even try to tell me that crap. All you guys ever do is tell me I'm offensive for having my own opinion and then say that a statement that wouldn't offend a first grader is offensive. Where do you get off huh?Perhaps you should re-read the rules... Or actually read them this time.
Post by: Sapphira on January 12, 2006, 09:41:17 PM
Post by: BP on January 12, 2006, 09:47:53 PM
Man, get off my back. Don't even try to tell me that crap. All you guys ever do is tell me I'm offensive for having my own opinion and then say that a statement that wouldn't offend a first grader is offensive. Where do you get off huh?
You can have your own opinions and state them, but you don't have to say that Christianity is a crappy fairy tale. Insane Steve stated the same things in you, but in a tolerable tone. It wouldn't offend an atheist first grader. But think about it; even a Christian first grader wouldn't be as offended because they are young and likely don't catch up on everything and actually care until they're about 11 or 12. And you aren't in a good position to ask where people get off.
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 12, 2006, 09:49:24 PM
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 12, 2006, 09:53:47 PM
Post by: Khold on January 12, 2006, 09:56:13 PM
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 12, 2006, 09:58:21 PM
Post by: Insane Steve on January 12, 2006, 10:32:55 PM
Well, that, and it's extraordinarily difficult (in many cases impossible) to change someone's viewpoint on religion or politics.
The major reason I am an atheist is because I have a hyper-anaylitical mind. As such, every one of my beliefs MUST have some sorts of scientifically proven foundation behind them. A skeptical thought process, if you will. Many of the stories in the Bible require some degree of faith in order to be believable. Most people have faith, therefore they believe in the existance of a higher power. I, on the other hand, do not have faith in anything, really. As such, religion seems... contrived to me? Hard to say.
As for the value of religion in life, I believe that if a belief in and following of God improves your life, then by all means pursue religion. After taking a detailed stock of my life thus far, I determined that I personally receive no benefits from following religion, and I could be spending my time improving myself in other ways, so I just dropped it. Having parents who fully support your choice of religion (or lack thereof) helps quite a bit, also.
I only really get angry when people try to shove their religious beliefs down my throat, or discredit me as a person for not believing in God. Which, I don't think anyone's done on this thread. Anyone who can still post here, that is.
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 12, 2006, 10:34:45 PM
Post by: Khold on January 12, 2006, 10:38:40 PM
Post by: Insane Steve on January 12, 2006, 10:39:27 PM
An unfortunately high proportion of the world is NOT tolerant enough to discuss religion intelligently. This results in, at best, unintelligent flamefest arguments (as we witnessed earlier), and, at worst, wars and genocide.
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 12, 2006, 10:40:13 PM
Post by: Khold on January 12, 2006, 10:41:44 PM
Post by: Luigison on January 12, 2006, 10:42:45 PM
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 12, 2006, 10:43:25 PM
Post by: bobman37 on January 12, 2006, 10:47:12 PM
EDIT: I get very shy about certain subjects, two of them being my name (my real one, not bobman37) and religion. I won't be posting here often.
EDIT: He being God.
Post by: Khold on January 12, 2006, 10:47:55 PM
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 12, 2006, 10:48:02 PM
Post by: BP on January 13, 2006, 01:30:21 AM
I sort of feel guilty saying this... but He sort of gives me something to look forward to after death.Why feel guilty? That's the only thing a Christian should look forward to after death. I wonder if there are video games in heaven...
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 13, 2006, 01:52:10 AM
Post by: Lizard Dude on January 13, 2006, 05:17:46 AM
My disbelief of evolution is logical, actually. If we acam from monkeys, why are the monkeys alive today not humans? And why is there nothing in between monkey and human? It's a stupid idea.
Evolution doesn't automatically kill species once a new species comes from it. Sometimes that happens because the new species uses similar survival tactics and space and are a bit better at it, and sometimes the new one is worse and just dies out (possibly spawning some new variations before extinction). Evolution happens by chance genetic mutation, so if the mutated ape just had mutant babies, which then had mutant babies and so forth to spawn a new species, the "original" apes (which of course are just one more step in a great tree going all the way up from basically strands of molecules) are still existing and doing their thing. Maybe they die, maybe they don't. We have gorillas, we have chimps, we have humans. The stuff we don't have, you probably haven't heard of... because they're extinct, ya know?
Evolution doesn't have a purpose; there is no goal. It just happens. There are and were things between monkeys and humans. Heck, I don't even know what you mean by "monkey". The hominoid superfamily has many branches. Some primates split away from our path earlier than others.
It is not a stupid idea. Go, like, learn something before spouting off meaningless and unfounded arguments under the guise of "logic".
Post by: Koopaslaya on January 13, 2006, 11:16:07 AM
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 13, 2006, 01:14:43 PM
Post by: Jman on January 13, 2006, 05:17:51 PM
I have grown so much in my spiritual life over the last year. I had a life-changing experience when I went on a mission trip to Texas last summer. It was amazing.
Post by: Mr. Wiggles on January 13, 2006, 08:31:20 PM
Post by: PaperLuigi on January 13, 2006, 08:37:00 PM
Post by: Mr. Melee on January 13, 2006, 08:51:07 PM
Post by: PaperLuigi on January 13, 2006, 08:57:12 PM
1. Christianity.
2. Islam
3. Hinduisim
4. Judisam
5. Buddhism
And of course....other.
How 'bout we keep of list of who's who here? So far, we have Christians, Islams and others. Any Hindu people out there? Buddah guys?
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 13, 2006, 08:59:26 PM
Post by: PaperLuigi on January 13, 2006, 09:10:11 PM
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Post by: PaperLuigi on January 13, 2006, 09:39:29 PM
Post by: Sapphira on January 13, 2006, 09:59:53 PM
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 13, 2006, 10:00:41 PM
Post by: TEM on January 13, 2006, 10:40:58 PM
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 13, 2006, 10:44:37 PM
Post by: Markio on January 13, 2006, 11:05:20 PM
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Post by: Pt_Peach on January 13, 2006, 11:29:44 PM
Post by: PaperLuigi on January 14, 2006, 09:37:01 PM
WTD, you can't convert ANYONE. You can only share with them and pray for them. Beyond that, it's their desicion. *You* don't do any "converting"; it's ALL God changing one's heart, and using you as an instument.
I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to convert her, I was trying to explain what they teach at my church.
Post by: Sapphira on January 14, 2006, 10:48:00 PM
Post by: Khold on January 14, 2006, 10:55:00 PM
Post by: Ambulance Y on January 14, 2006, 11:10:50 PM
Who would think that?!?
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 14, 2006, 11:59:21 PM
Post by: Lizard Dude on January 15, 2006, 06:52:27 AM
Post by: Mr. Melee on January 15, 2006, 12:11:24 PM
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Post by: PaperLuigi on January 15, 2006, 06:07:13 PM
I never said you were. *I* was trying to explain that whatever you're saying is incorrect. Hopefully you're just explaining it strangely or wrong, otherwise ...I don't know, that doesn't sound like that's how a church is supposed to teach something. Please note that I'm not insulting you or your church; it just.... I don't know.
Okay, this is just something my dad said really. He is devoted to Christianity, so sometimes he thinks that other's should too. But he's human and likewise, messes up sometimes. I think what should happen is let other's think what they wanna think and believe what you want to believe.
Post by: Sapphira on January 15, 2006, 06:47:17 PM
Wow, you've totally lost my point.
Post by: GiftedGirl on January 15, 2006, 08:33:14 PM
Post by: PaperLuigi on January 15, 2006, 08:45:49 PM
Post by: Markio on January 15, 2006, 09:30:00 PM
Oh wait, you were talking to Sapphira, weren't you?
That's just me. Always thinking I'm Sapphira.
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 15, 2006, 09:35:21 PM
Post by: PaperLuigi on January 15, 2006, 10:36:35 PM
Post by: BP on January 16, 2006, 12:48:38 AM
Post by: mario2_gold on January 16, 2006, 09:24:09 AM
Post by: Mr. Melee on January 16, 2006, 10:36:58 AM
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 16, 2006, 11:07:00 AM
Post by: Lizard Dude on January 16, 2006, 12:46:08 PM
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 16, 2006, 02:46:50 PM
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on January 20, 2006, 08:03:48 PM
I enjoy listening to people talk about their religions. And I especially like finding out that there are others here who say they are Christians too. When I first read the Religion thread and learned that I wasn’t the only one, it made me feel very excited and thankful for that. “I’m not alone!” Even though I’m going to do my best to stay with my own religion (which I prefer to call a lifestyle), I do want to know more about the other kinds out there for fun and to compare with my own.
One reason I don’t believe in evolution is like what someone else said here. It’s because of all the many problems and gaps in the theory that don’t compare with the current world and life we see around us today. Until people can find most of the biggest missing links of the world I just can’t choose to believe it.
My biggest problem with evolution however, doesn’t involve science but simply our significance. If we all came from lower species that came from a huge and magnificent accident, does that mean that all people are just the outcome of that accident and have no real purpose and worth in life? I know that God or some other being (maybe) could make evolution happen but I don’t like that idea either. It’s just my opinion but I believe that He made everything carefully and perfectly, and not by a series of steps that sifted through the fit and the unfit creatures until what we see today (for some reason that part always makes me uncomfortable). However, I might be able to believe in some small parts of evolution if they don’t involve huge changes.
Moving on to something else now. I have been reading the book, The Purpose-Driven Life again (because it’s so great and I didn’t pay very good attention the first time) and I’m beginning to see how much I need to learn and grow in my faith and life. When I read it I feel like I’m discovering what everything is really about and what I need to do in life. But sometimes I also feel threatened about things it says like needing to change parts of myself, let go of idols and the fear of what people think, and the fear that I can never really become the person I want to be.
For awhile I have wondered if maybe I need to let go of using a lot of my free time to play video games and begin looking for God and learning about spiritual things. It’s difficult sometimes for me to change how I live when I’ve lived this way so long. But I don’t want to give up this life because I believe that it’s the right way to live and, despite how crazy or difficult it seems, that I will receive my reward if I stay in the race. God can do for me and anyone what we think is impossible at the time, and exchange our fear for faith and take us through any challenge. He’s already done great things for my family and church, and I know He won’t ever forget or leave us. I hope that any of you believers out there will keep at it too and find more ways to honor God and let others see, know, and believe His love, miracles, and sacrifice.
And finally I shall end my big honkin’ speech, or whatever you would call this, by saying this is my opinion and no one has to believe it if they don’t wanna (I’ll keep my hand out of your throat). Not trying to get post of the year (like I could ever do that XD) or make you change your beliefs… just saying what I feel like I should say. If there’s one thing I learned in my Ethics class and here too, is that opinions are just opinions and we need to keep looking at everything with an open mind and the thought that maybe we could be wrong about something. I still need to work on that sometimes.
I just wanna know one more thing. Can you guess where I got my signature from? ;) (without using Google?)
Post by: bobman37 on January 20, 2006, 08:07:49 PM
Post by: PaperLuigi on January 20, 2006, 10:53:02 PM
Post by: Ambulance Y on January 20, 2006, 11:04:47 PM
Post by: Khold on January 20, 2006, 11:05:54 PM
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 20, 2006, 11:12:02 PM
Ditto. Also, a lot of people say youth group is boring...but how can it be??? Our youth group has gone skiing, movie-watching, out to dinners, and even taken break-dancing classes! We've also had lock-ins at the church, where we spend the whole night playing this extremely addictive game called "Romans & Christians", where we basically run about the church, capturing others and taking them to our "bases". We also have a church rock band, which I am lead guitar in. It's really neat, and I pity anyone who calls youth group boring and annoying right away, without even going to one first.
seems fun!
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on January 20, 2006, 11:16:21 PM
LZR: Awesome! I had a lock-in once with my high-school to help raise money for hungry people (I wish I could remember exactly who) by bringing money and then staying up all night and eating nothing! We didn't play any neat games like that but we did make tons and tons of painted hand prints on paper which was fun on and off (there was a symbolic thing to that but I can't remember it either DX) But when you're with friends and doing something for a good cause then it's all good. Ha, I just noticed that for a second my last sentence said "god" cause instead of "good cause, but I guess the first would sound better.
Break-dancing? Luck-y! I would like to learn that. But... not when my friends are watching. And you're in a band too? Wow, I didn't know that. Kewlio.
Here's a hint about my signature: it's from a song. And if you call yourself a believer and have never heard it before... then... eh... come on! What's your deal, man?! I think I'll listen to it now as a matter of fact. Just remember that if you do listen to it once you may never get it out of your head for a long time.
Post by: PaperLuigi on January 20, 2006, 11:17:31 PM
Post by: Ambulance Y on January 20, 2006, 11:19:13 PM
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on January 20, 2006, 11:21:02 PM
Post by: Koopaslaya on January 20, 2006, 11:29:54 PM
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 20, 2006, 11:44:23 PM
Post by: Ambulance Y on January 21, 2006, 12:05:02 AM
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 21, 2006, 12:09:04 AM
Post by: Markio on January 21, 2006, 12:20:31 AM
I don't like abortion either.
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on January 21, 2006, 12:32:17 AM
If that is an insult, I want whoever you are to know that I have the power to change it! So nyah ha ha! And now I shall go to bed because I'm talking like a crazy person again.
Edit: If you're going to jump on the topic of abortion, make sure you're careful what you say. I see a flame war rising in the distance.
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 21, 2006, 12:32:55 AM
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on January 21, 2006, 12:38:42 AM
Okay, so I don't have IRC. Am I an outcast now? XP
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 21, 2006, 12:45:16 AM
Post by: Koopaslaya on January 21, 2006, 09:55:06 AM
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on January 21, 2006, 11:22:54 AM
Oh, that kind of IRC. Great. Now I may know why I got that! I tried several times to get on the TMK chat room with different user names (just to see what it looks like) but each time I couldn't figure out what to do. I think I needed to download that software so you can talk and surf the web at the same time. But my parents don't want me to talk on chat rooms so I can't do it anyway. I know... I talk on a forum board which is a lot like a chat room and therefore I should be able to but it doesn't work like that. I'll just obey them and not argue and just enjoy the forums. (Plus my Dad said I should stop using MSN Messenger because of virus possibilities and a chat room is probably like that too, right?)
But maybe someday!
Post by: Sapphira on January 21, 2006, 02:35:09 PM
You're more likely to get viruses and junk through Internet Explorer, I imagine, than chatting programs.
Post by: Markio on January 21, 2006, 03:12:39 PM
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on January 21, 2006, 03:54:07 PM
Sapph: I know and I agree. But as long as I'm still with my parents *nervously laughs* I should still obey them and know they care about my safety. You have a good point though. Maybe I should tell them how safe this place is (and that gurls don't eksist on teh intanet!). However, even if they did let me I still might not go on. I'm busy with college work again and have this funny fear that I would have problems with getting addicted to using it and waste too much time. Sorry, I know those excuses probably sound lamer than anything. But like I said before, maybe someday!
Post by: Markio on January 21, 2006, 03:58:17 PM
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on January 21, 2006, 04:06:16 PM
Post by: n-fani on January 21, 2006, 04:08:25 PM
Post by: PaperLuigi on January 21, 2006, 06:50:21 PM
yes. abortion is evil. it's just like murdering, in my opinion, that is
I agree. Abortion is a waste of life, the most pure substance on Earth. It should not be waisted. In my opinion, it is robbing an innocent child of ever having the joys and thrills the world. Killing under the cloak of abortion is nothing more then an act of murder.
Post by: BP on January 21, 2006, 07:05:36 PM
Post by: Markio on January 21, 2006, 07:59:32 PM
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on January 21, 2006, 09:46:30 PM
I don't understand how anyone can support abortion when you know how terrible it really is. I can see how you might need to in case you need to save the mother's life, but that's the only thing I can see. I wonder if many of the mothers who abort feel guilt from doing that? I'm open to hear from anyone who can tell me if there's more good reasons to have abortions (as long as you don't bite my head off XD).
Here's another good question to ask: do you believe in heaven? And what do you think it will be like. Even though "the half has not been thought of yet". I think it might be someting like going back to your childhood and being with your saved family, friends, great people from the Bible, and God! Then some of us could finally meet each other, I'd like that.
Post by: BP on January 21, 2006, 10:04:51 PM
Post by: Markio on January 21, 2006, 10:13:04 PM
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on January 21, 2006, 10:22:39 PM
Markio: Oh, I see. Yeah, I forgot about that in those stories.
Post by: Markio on January 21, 2006, 10:43:04 PM
Post by: BP on January 22, 2006, 12:30:03 AM
Post by: Sapphira on January 22, 2006, 01:09:34 AM
Heaven is...paradise. Perfection. It's the pure presence of God, pure love and sense of belonging and joy. Total connection with...everyone there, with God. Complete knowledge and understanding, and no more fear or sadness. With that, I don't think anyone would feel the need for anything else....because you'll have...everything! Everything good! Nothing bad! This includes no boredom! No selfishness, either; it's all about God, and that will finally be what those there look upon, not themselves. Pure and absolute goodness flowing from everything!
"Heck," I imagine, is the absolute opposite; the total absense of all those things present in Heaven. Not to mention pain of all sorts, which, with the absence of all those aforementioned things, is pretty much automatic.
Post by: BP on January 22, 2006, 01:32:15 AM
Post by: Markio on January 22, 2006, 10:06:08 AM
Post by: Luigison on January 22, 2006, 10:24:12 AM
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 22, 2006, 10:44:00 AM
Post by: PaperLuigi on January 22, 2006, 07:15:49 PM
Post by: Khold on January 22, 2006, 07:19:35 PM
In Hell, it's the same way.
Post by: Mr. Wiggles on January 22, 2006, 08:54:09 PM
Heh, I can't wait to see my personel Heavon.
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on January 22, 2006, 08:58:02 PM
PaperLuigi: I remember listening to a Keith Green song where he started it out by talking about Heaven. He said something like "God made the universe in only 6 days, but in the Bible we know that he's been preparing a place for us for 2000 years. And if it took Him only 6 days to make the world and 2000 years for our home in Heaven... then, man, we are living in a garbage can compared to what's coming up there!"
Luigison: Lol, that's a good one. I remember reading a hysterical Far Side comic that had to do with Heaven. On the top panel there's a picture of people walking into the gates of Heaven and as they passed through an angel stood by and said "Welcome to Heaven. Here's your harp!" On the bottom panel there's people walking into Hell and the devil says "Weclome to Hell. Here's your accordian!" That's a terrible joke but I can't help myself.
Post by: PaperLuigi on January 23, 2006, 07:47:55 PM
Post by: bobman37 on January 26, 2006, 11:28:15 PM
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on January 27, 2006, 10:58:42 AM
Post by: Lizard Dude on January 27, 2006, 01:26:44 PM
Post by: TEM on January 27, 2006, 03:13:45 PM
Post by: bobman37 on January 27, 2006, 04:36:01 PM
Let's see an example. Lizard Dude. I don't doubt you, it just kind of sounds like a crazy concept.
Post by: BP on January 27, 2006, 04:49:17 PM
Post by: Lizard Dude on January 27, 2006, 09:35:20 PM
"It was once a cherished superstition that prepositions must be kept true to their name and placed before the word they govern in spite of the incurable English instinct for putting them late. . . . The fact is that. . . . even now immense pains are sometimes expended in changing spontaneous into artificial English. . . . Those who lay down the universal principle that final prepositions are 'inelegant' are unconsciously trying to deprive the English language of a valuable idiomatic resource, which has been used freely by all our greatest writers except those whose instinct for English idiom has been overpowered by notions of correctness derived from Latin standards. The legitimacy of the prepositional ending in literary English must be uncompromisingly maintained. . . .
In avoiding the forbidden order, unskillful handlers of words often fall into real blunders. . . ."
"the 'preposition' is in fact [often] the adverbial particle of a phrasal verb, [and] no choice is open to us; it cannot be wrested from its partner"
Examples:
This is the axe he murdered her with!
He didn't know what he was getting into.
We are such stuff as dreams are made on.
She refused to come in.
You can split infinitives to greatly improve your sentences, too!
Post by: bobman37 on January 29, 2006, 12:40:36 AM
Post by: Pt_Peach on January 29, 2006, 10:07:46 AM
Post by: Markio on January 29, 2006, 11:46:50 AM
Examples:
This is the axe he murdered her with!
He didn't know what he was getting into.
We are such stuff as dreams are made on.
She refused to come in.
The so-called "right" way of arranging these sentences would be:
This is the axe with which he murdered her!
He didn't know into what he was getting.
We are such stuff on which dreams are made (??)
She refused to come in [the house].
They evidently sound better with the preposition at the end.
Post by: BP on January 29, 2006, 03:23:46 PM
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on January 29, 2006, 04:43:39 PM
Post by: DarthTedd64 on January 29, 2006, 06:01:16 PM
Actually, I have no problems with people of any religion as long as they don't force their beliefs onto me.
Post by: TEM on January 29, 2006, 09:33:30 PM
What do prepositions have to do with God?
You know what? It's okay for topics to go off topic as long as the discussion is stimulating. I'm getting really irritated by all these lames complaining about threads going off topic so they can stop intelligent conversation and talk about how it would be so cool if the Cape Feather were in SMB3 or something equally artarded.
Post by: BP on January 30, 2006, 12:10:47 AM
Post by: Koopaslaya on January 30, 2006, 09:14:30 PM
Post by: Markio on January 30, 2006, 09:15:12 PM
Post by: Koopaslaya on January 30, 2006, 09:18:09 PM
Post by: Insane Steve on January 31, 2006, 11:39:26 AM
But, ya, DarthTedd basically summed up my views on religion in two sentences. Bravo.
And, seriously, why WASN'T the cape feather in SMB3? That would've been so cool.
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on January 31, 2006, 11:50:10 AM
When people push their religious beliefs on other people, it's not always about wanting people to have the exact same beliefs as they do and therefore get along better or get money for their churches, but may be because they believe that we're missing something important in our lives and will be happier or more fulfilled people (or go to heaven or whatever) if we try to live like they try to live. That's something that we can keep in mind when we get irritating confrontations from people, that they might feel like they want the best for us. Not always but sometimes perhaps.
Post by: Khold on January 31, 2006, 09:11:30 PM
Frankly, I think that it's a little pointless to get all mad for simple things like religious sayings and holidays for when somebody says Happy Halloween! Take the whole Pledge of Allegiance debate. They say it's wrong to say it because some religions don't believe in God or are atheist. Same thing with the Merry Christmas thing. Say it to somebody who is another religion sometimes makes them go berserk. They want you to say Happy Holidays instead. I mean, big deal! They are receiving COMPLEMENTS. You're supposed to appreciate complements, not be "offended". People are WAY too paranoid.
I don't like it when people use slang words when talking about religion, but I try to understand how they feel. Like Game Over for example. What he said was horrible. He had every right to be banned. Some people are very religious and spend 1/6 of the day studying and praying for they're religion. When they hear what somebody says like Game Over did, they would be VERY offended. I just can't stand people who can't see the meaning of what they say.
Like in my current signature, I believe that life does not have an end. Heaven is an endless mystery impossible to explore. It is what you see whatever you imagine. If you think there are rainbows, pink clouds, etc., then that's what it will be like. If you believe it's an endless flower patch, then that will be it. I believe that it is nothing you can picture. It is just a wonderland of a new, never-ending adventure. To me, there isn't really a "hell". There is just Heaven, following what your deeds are on Earth, are reflected upon where your status lands upon Heaven.
It is up to God whether you will be a hero of a person's dream, or a greedy, selfish being who only wishes to harm others. He has a plan for everybody, and everybody will have a part of having their own "afterlife". Again, Heaven is all around us. When we die, our spirits are transported into another world of what we could never imagine.
Thus, I have nothing more to say upon Heaven and it's requirements. You decide your own path to Heaven. No body else can choose for you.
Post by: Ambulance Y on January 31, 2006, 09:19:21 PM
Post by: Markio on January 31, 2006, 09:21:38 PM
Post by: Khold on January 31, 2006, 09:24:09 PM
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on February 01, 2006, 09:23:54 AM
I agree and disagree with different things you said, Khold, but I won't insult you because I don't agree with some things. I'm glad that you can share what you believe and stick with it. However, I just couldn't imagine how there could be a Heaven in the afterlife but not a Hell. If there was no other place that was a punishment for how we lived our lives, then we could do whatever we wanted and still make it there with no problem. But if there was no Heaven it would be even worse because we would want to do whatever we pleased before facing the unescapable horror that lies ahead. Without counsequences, does it really matter how we live?
Many people may think that getting to Heaven is all about doing more good things than bad, but I don't believe that. I believe that you need to believe in Jesus and that He died and came back to life to make a way to escape Hell and come to Heaven (because He loved the world, past, present, and future, and wanted to save it), ask for forgiveness for living the wrong way and work on slowly changing your life with His patient help, and then try your best to follow His commandments that are said in the Bible. I don't know if it's possible to become a "perfect person" but my goal is to become like Jesus as much as I can and only do what He wants me to do (His perfect plan for my life). I often have trouble with this and need to keep asking for His help with that and other things, but I know for sure that He has changed me a lot so far and is still changing me and showing me things I need to work on (but encouraging me through it too). I believe that no one is born evil with no hope of changing and that everyone has a chance for a new life because God loves everyone and wants them to come back to Him no matter what they've done or how people think of them. And that this is the only way to get there and nothing else will work. John 14:6 says "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except though Me." I know that this offends many people but it's what I believe.
But... maybe Heaven does have pink clouds, you never know XD. I read a book once about a guy that supposedly went to Heaven and came back and he said that there was lots of incredible music coming from everywhere. He also said there were some animals there too so... yay for animals! (hopes there's dinosaurs!) And it's funny becauese every time I hear about someone talking about going to Heaven and coming back they say that they forgot some things about it, which makes me wonder if maybe Heaven is so awesome and huge that our human brains can't comprehend it! Makes me think. But I don't know if Earth can be hardly anything like Heaven because it just seems like there's much more evil than good in it.
And in case you're wondering why I post here so often compared to everything else... I guess that I just like learning about what people believe and understand how people see life. (I'm not trying to change people's minds, I just want to give my thoughts about things without being forceful or unkind. I hope I don't sound like that.).
Oh yeah, and I agree with the Christmas/Halloween thing because traditions are traditions and some people may just say that because they've always done things like that and don't know or care about the real meaning behind it. I know that could sound bad but if that's what people think and are used to doing just for fun... I don't see why it could be offensive. I could say a lot more about this but my knowledge behind holidays isn't very... good.
Edit: Btw, why was Markio's statement so profound? Just curious.
Edit II: When I think of "A Survey This Is" I sometimes think of Yoda speaking that. "A survey this is, hmmmmMMMMMM?"
Post by: DarthTedd64 on February 01, 2006, 11:02:42 AM
Edit II: When I think of "A Survey This Is" I sometimes think of Yoda speaking that. "A survey this is, hmmmmMMMMMM?"
Yeah, that's what I thought when I first saw the thread title. Speaking like Yoda you are.
Post by: Pt_Peach on February 01, 2006, 02:49:34 PM
Post by: Khold on February 01, 2006, 02:54:59 PM
Post by: Jake on February 01, 2006, 04:24:18 PM
Post by: Pt_Peach on February 01, 2006, 04:45:25 PM
Strong with the Force, young pt_peach is.
lol! But seriously, this topic is now about grammer which is so off topic.
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on February 01, 2006, 07:58:13 PM
__ ___ ___ ___ _ _ _ ___ ___ ___
I I I I I I \ / \ / I I I I I
I__ I I I I I \ / \ / I I I I I
I I I___I I__I \ / \ / I___I I__I I___
I I I I I\ \ / \ / I I I\ I
__I I I I I \ V V I I I \ ___I
R E T U R N O F T H E P T _ P E A C H
Post by: Luigison on February 01, 2006, 08:38:34 PM
lol! But seriously, this topic is now about grammer which is so off topic.
Think GRAMMAR, it's February!
Post by: Insane Steve on February 01, 2006, 08:41:43 PM
GRAMMAR
GRAMMAR
2 As 2 Ms NO Es
Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh
That reiteration was 100% necessary.
Post by: DarthTedd64 on February 01, 2006, 09:12:10 PM
Post by: Ambulance Y on February 01, 2006, 09:16:47 PM
Now switching topic too... Star Wars! *plays the intro music* Just kidding. But maybe...
__ ___ ___ ___ _ _ _ ___ ___ ___
I I I I I I \ / \ / I I I I I
I__ I I I I I \ / \ / I I I I I
I I I___I I__I \ / \ / I___I I__I I___
I I I I I\ \ / \ / I I I\ I
__I I I I I \ V V I I I \ ___I
R E T U R N O F T H E P T _ P E A C H
Didn't anybody appriciate the sheer wittiness of that? I laughed out loud. Once again, good job YR.
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on February 02, 2006, 08:54:19 AM
Wie is Febuary the month four grammer?
Post by: Pt_Peach on February 02, 2006, 03:14:07 PM
Post by: BP on February 02, 2006, 10:54:09 PM
Post by: smfan1085 on March 16, 2006, 01:10:15 AM
I do believe in God. I'm a Roman Catholic, and strictly orthodox in my beliefs. My moral views are very strong, though I don't always show myself in a very good light when discussing moral issues, unfortunately.
I don't believe in evolution. However, I'm no good at arguing my position in matters like this, nor is this the place to do it, so I will just recommend that all those who are interested in the subject read Darwin on Trial by Phillip Johnson (I hope I got the name right). This book is an excellent, unbiased, scientific source to use in judging whether evolution is likely to have occurred or not.
One thing that has struck me about this topic is that people seem to be very tolerant of one another's religions and can talk about religion in a friendly manner without getting into fights (for the most part, anyway). I can't help but contrast this in my mind with the situation at the KRR message boards, where there is one member in particular who simply seems to hate religion of all kinds and has been known to flame people and insinuate that they're insane because they're religious. (This person is a moderator, believe it or not.) This individual is also extremely pro-abortion, and a large number of other people there are pro-abortion also. As you can probably guess, I am strongly pro-life, for basically the reasons people already mentioned in this thread. Once I made a topic about abortion at KRR, but it ended up being an impossible argument with me doing most of the arguing against abortion, and being ridiculed by the opposition to boot. The topic was finally locked and deleted. (If anyone here happens to have seen this argument in progress, I was posting under the name "Firesparktornado".) But the point of this seemingly pointless story is that it comes as quite a pleasant surprise to me that so many people on this board oppose abortion like I do, and I don't remember ever seeing someone defend it on TMK.
I'd better stop, because this post is getting long (and for some reason the part I added at the end wound up being by far the longest part of the post! 0_o).
Post by: Koopaslaya on March 17, 2006, 12:16:24 PM
Post by: BP on March 18, 2006, 06:30:33 PM
Post by: Insane Steve on March 18, 2006, 10:02:36 PM
I remember going to McDonald's on a Friday during Lent recently, ordering my usual food (which includes hamburgers) and getting a strange look from someone who obviously didn't approve of atheism. I wonder if this person just stood there that day and did nothing but express nonverbal discontent at people who didn't follow the meatless Friday standards of Lent.
Post by: smfan1085 on March 19, 2006, 12:44:37 AM
Post by: Koopaslaya on March 19, 2006, 11:12:20 AM
I know Some Baptists observe Lent though.
Post by: bobman37 on March 19, 2006, 11:22:59 AM
The other day, my school's "team" had a pizza party, and everyone got to either share a large with someone else or get their own large. Since I <3 pizza, I got my own, halp pepperoni half cheese. I hadn't realized that the pizza party was going to be on Friday. So when the day came, I had to eat the cheese half and save the pepperoni half for the next day. Other people had it worse; my friend got half pepperoni half ham, and had to pick off all the toppings. The worst part is, when I got home my mom told me that we were allowed to eat meat that day because it was St. Patrick's Day and Catholics are excused from abstaining from meat in order to have corned beef and cabbage. That made me upset.
Post by: Koopaslaya on March 19, 2006, 12:50:17 PM
Post by: BP on March 19, 2006, 01:16:29 PM
Post by: G-Dawg on March 19, 2006, 06:03:40 PM
Post by: BP on March 19, 2006, 06:11:34 PM
I fed the homeless this morning with some church members (and for community service that I need to graduate the 8th grade) and noticed EVERYONE was wearing a cross. Well yeah, I know they were all members of our Catholic church, but I realized I need one.
Post by: Koopaslaya on March 19, 2006, 06:24:54 PM
Post by: Insane Steve on March 19, 2006, 07:25:11 PM
But yeah I mean who doesn't believe in God, not to offend anyone.
I don't, for one. I'm sure you'll find others on this forum, although we're in the minority from the looks of the poll.
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Because I have a question, "If there is no God, how was the Earth created?" I know for sure it wasn't the "Big Bang".
Please explain to me how you acertained beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Big Bang never happened. Please. I can't see how you'd prove this.
In an unrelated story, I remember one instance in high school -- someone I and a lot of my friends weren't too fond of once stated that the world was created by an alien landing of some kind, and that he was correct, and all other theories were not possibly correct, simply because what he was saying could not be readily disproved. That is, if you can't prove it wrong, it's obviously correct. Ya. I thought this guy was one of the most condescending, stuck up people I've ever met.
Post by: Jman on March 19, 2006, 08:31:16 PM
I hear that!!! I have to go through it everyday, being like Bird Person's best friend. But yeah I mean who doesn't believe in God, not to offend anyone. Because I have a question, "If there is no God, how was the Earth created?" I know for sure it wasn't the "Big Bang".
Yeah, I mean think about it. What are the chances of an explosion big enough to randomly scatter everything into place in the Universe. How does the Big Bang possibly explain how earth is the only planet that supports life? I don't know. Not to be offensive, but the whole Big Bang theory doesn't seem very logical. There had to be somebody of a Divine nature that put it all in place.
Post by: Insane Steve on March 19, 2006, 08:42:53 PM
Think of the near-infinite expanse that is space. Now, even if you consider the unlikelihood of an event like the Big Bang, take this highly unlikely probability and scatter it across a near-infinite expanse -- the odds of it happening, thus, in just one small area of this near infinite expanse become fairly good despite the near-impossibility of the event occuring at any one arbitrary point.
And the Earth happens to be the only planet WE KNOW OF that supports life. Even noting the high unlikelihood of all the factors required to sustain life being smashed together into one planet, you have to consider that there's billions of billions of planets out there. Even if these life forms aren't as complex as humans, or even carbon-based, the sheer number of planets in the universe suggest a very high probability (not quite 100%, but still rather good) of life being in some planet outside of Earth.
And I don't see anything that proves Creation except blind faith. And blind faith isn't proof of anything in my mind.
Post by: Jman on March 19, 2006, 08:45:29 PM
Edit: But honestly, I'm not here to argue about other religions, or non-religions. I'm just here as a God fearing Christian who enjoys videogames.
Post by: Insane Steve on March 19, 2006, 08:50:38 PM
I'm not here to argue; I'm just trying to present a different perspective on religion than is the norm on these boards.
Post by: smfan1085 on March 19, 2006, 08:59:01 PM
Ok, prove to me that the events in the Bible actually happened. That's where we differ; while I think the Bible is a very interesting read, I hardly believe any of its events actually happened in the exact manner the Bible describes. Maybe metaphoically, or in a different sense, but not exactly.Not all Christians believe that the things in the Bible happened in the exact manner described. Catholics like myself, for instance, are open to the view that much of what's in the Bible could be figurative. As you probably already know from certain earlier posts in this topic, Catholics don't necessarily have to disbelieve in evolution. The reason I don't believe in it is not because of any religious prohibition, but because of evidence against it that I've read about (see the book I referenced earlier in this thread).
I'm not here to argue; I'm just trying to present a different perspective on religion than is the norm on these boards.
Also, I hope that you don't get the idea that the religious people posting here are trying to make you feel like an outcast in any way, because I'm sure none of us are.
Post by: Insane Steve on March 20, 2006, 11:43:36 AM
The thing a lot of people who do not believe in evolution miss, from my experiences on the issue, is that evolution and natural selection take millions upon millions of years and several thousands of different mutations in order to yield the beings that exist today. You can't say that evolution happens in a few generations, or that your great grandpa was a monkey, because that isn't the case. It also doesn't help that the human race has excluded itself from natural selection in all but the most extreme cases. How many tigers do you think have imperfect vision? Almost none that can survive for any period of time. How many humans have imperfect vision? Almost all of them, from what I've seen. Think of evolution as many, many, many instances of natural selection in a string. And for every change that survives to yield the next, there's countless others that weren't as desirable that just died out.
Post by: G-Dawg on March 20, 2006, 12:30:14 PM
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Post by: Insane Steve on March 20, 2006, 12:39:47 PM
Post by: G-Dawg on March 20, 2006, 12:46:44 PM
(Maybe God, for chance?)
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on March 20, 2006, 01:07:39 PM
I think the main reason I believe in God is because I know he has changed me a lot since I first became a Christian and still does (and not by my own determination and hard work). And not just me but also the many people I see at my church who let Him come into their lives and they too change so much that it's amazing. People who were selfish or irritating or whatever begin to act like completely new people over time when they ask for His help and let Him work (they don't become perfect but they keep on changing through life if they stick with God).
As far as creation/evolution goes, I believe that God made everything because of what I see. When I look at nature like the various creatures, plants, and humans and learn about how complicated and complex everything is, but still works perfectly (as in functions properly) I think that everything is way too wonderful and awesome to possibly happen by accident. I've never heard of a single accident that made something good happen (unless it be da enemy dat get blow'd up!!) so it's harder for me to believe that an accident could make something as great as the universe. I hope I don't offend anyone by what I say because I understand if someone disagrees with me if they have their own thoughts and I just want to share my own views. I probably need to learn more about both sides of this topic so I can stay balanced in my thinking and see what's correct and what isn't.
Oh yeah, and the surprise I mentioned before... I'm still working on that and getting closer. I think it's gonna turn out pretty cool! (if I ever finish it) I may not return again until I'm ready with it.
Insane Steve: Sorry you feel like an outcast. Why do you feel that way? Is there any way we can help you feel like an incast again? XD
GD: From what I learned in biology and according to evolution, the oxygen in the atmosphere came from plants that evolved from some water-inhabiting species that evolved and didn't need oxygen or food to live. The first creatures could multiply by... something that involved DNA replication I think (I know there were at least 3 different theories about DNA replication and which came first: RNA, DNA, or tRNA). Sorry that's all I remember. I think that Creation is so much easier to remember and understand! Six days and one Creator.
Post by: Insane Steve on March 20, 2006, 01:14:48 PM
I believe in the Big Bang because I see more evidence for it than I do for Creation. Everyday, countless chemical reactions occur in the world to create things that weren't there before. I don't see humans or other things just appearing out of thin air on an everyday basis.
And if God created the Universe, how exactly did God get into the universe in the first place? If you want to use the "Somebody had to make the universe" argument, how did that "somebody" come to exist?
If there's one thing I honestly cannot stand about religion, it's people trying to pass off Intelligent Design as a "science." (I know you said NOTHING about Creation being a science -- I am referring to people who turn Intelligent Design into a court case and sometimes win) Believe what you want, but I don't see how it's "science" if it's a belief and hasn't been approached in its design by any scientific methods. Highly complex things came to exist, as least to me, because several not-as-complex things decided to happen all at the same time, several times, and step-by-step, a complex, really neat thing was created. A lot of people who believe in ID compare it to a clockmaker -- Clocks were too complex to exist by chance, right? Why not humans?
Because this example is flawed. Instead of a fully capable clockmaker making a lot, evolution is like some blind person with no knowledge of anything at all taking a bunch of random parts and indiscriminately making random things with them. Now, a lot of these random things are completely useless. A lot are worse than the parts needed to make them! However, a few of the things that came as a result of this action were improvements. Other blind widget-makers took note of how cool these things were, and told the first person to make more of those things. As those things are make, some of these are not perfectly designed: Some are better than the first prototype, some worse. While this is being hammered out, the next person takes these improved pieces and smashes them together and alters them in the same random way. Some of these prototypes are useless and are not made anymore. Some are more useful than their initial products and are reproduced more frequently. Eventually, as a result of several many occurences of this event and several millions of useless designs that "go extinct" because they are not as good as others, one day a clock is randomly formed. Those who note it see how obscenely useful this item is, and it is reproduced very rapidly over all other designs. Some of these reproductions aren't quite as good, but every so often a mistake is made that makes the clock BETTER. It's noted, and the better mistake clock is now made more frequently.
Only instead of clocks, it's organisms. And this process takes billions upon billions of attempts before a "useful" creature comes to be.
The comment about me feeling outside these forums comes from a few things. Mainly major personality differences. Then again, this is still the best Mario forum I've found, ever, so I'm staying regardless.
Oh, and I'm not trying to turn this into an argument, I merely want to see another perspective of how everything came to be.
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on March 20, 2006, 01:19:55 PM
And if God created the Universe, how exactly did God get into the universe in the first place? If you want to use the "Somebody had to make the universe" argument, how did that "somebody" come to exist?
Oh, and I'm not trying to turn this into an argument, I merely want to see another perspective of how everything came to be.
In my opinion and some others, God existed before time and created time itself. I know that sounds insane (no pun intended ;) ) but that's all the best thing I can think of. Otherswise you could say that evolution made God but that's going way too far. The same question about God could go to evolution such as where it came from and what caused it, but no one would know the answer because no one was there when it happened. Unless there were aliens there then maybe... *goes on forever until he's so confused and everyone is so bored that the forum blows up and creates the Nintendo website*
Post by: dude677 on March 20, 2006, 03:39:12 PM
*Shakes his hands*
You missed so much!
Anyway, many scientists believe that life on earth was caused by a meteorite. At the early stages of earth, there was no life. They believe that a meteorite filled with bacterium crashed into the water of earth, of which life evolvd underwater, then walked up onto the land after gr3owing legs and arms. Check out maxis's upcoming game, Spore, for a great game following scientists beliefs.
Post by: Koopaslaya on March 20, 2006, 03:58:19 PM
I'm a Catholic. I don't believe in creation exactly as written. In fact, it is only written to teach a moral lesson. Truly, this creation story was stole form the old Babylonian tale Enumah Elish
1. God is creator: How? We don't know. That dosen't matter. In fact I believe God got everything in the big band lined up and ready to go. It is pretty sillyy to reject the big bang and accept a story that dates back to 6000 years maximum.
2. Man is the height of creation. You notice in the 2 creation stories in the Bible, Man is created LAST in the first story, and FIRST in the second. These both emphasize man as the peak of creation. Who knows if Adam existed? Probably not.
3. Man is to be the steward of creation. THis is pretty self-explanitory.
4. Marrige has been created by God and is holy. "Be fruitfull and multiply" is God's first comandment, according to the story.
There you have it: the 4 truths of the creation story. Everything in that story is a symbol for something greater. If you want to believe in the creation story word-for-word, you have my blessing. But I for one, will not.
Post by: PaperLuigi on March 20, 2006, 04:11:54 PM
Post by: G-Dawg on March 20, 2006, 04:33:19 PM
In my mind, those gases were created by a series of several consecutive sub-atomic chemical reactions -- one of which got so incredibly dense at one highly specific point that it exploded massively. And so began the universe in the eyes of the skeptic.
Once again who created all of those big and different words you used.
(We could do this all day, you know.)
Post by: Koopaslaya on March 20, 2006, 06:35:11 PM
Post by: G-Dawg on March 20, 2006, 06:57:45 PM
Post by: Koopaslaya on March 20, 2006, 07:05:34 PM
Once again who created all of those big and different words you used.
(We could do this all day, you know.)
G-Dawg. May I suggest that you don't make foolish arguments. You have already opened this can of worms. You could at least make a logical argument to defent your point. Talking about who made words is a TERRIBLLY AWFUL argument. You are doing no favors by creating childish arguments like this.
Post by: G-Dawg on March 20, 2006, 07:24:55 PM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on March 20, 2006, 07:37:09 PM
Post by: Koopaslaya on March 20, 2006, 08:41:52 PM
Post by: smfan1085 on March 20, 2006, 09:22:53 PM
Koopaslaya, could you please be a little more polite?
I'm not going to get involved in a debate about evolution here, since forum debates tend to be harrowing if one doesn't really feel like arguing in them. What's more, I was just about to post one thing that I thought was evidence against evolution, but I looked it up on Wikipedia first and found out that that particular thing wouldn't have worked as evidence after all. So I doubt I would be any good at arguing against evolutionary theory anyway. I should leave that to the experts.
Post by: Suffix on March 20, 2006, 10:38:34 PM
What if subatomic particles did not move randomly, but were influenced by our thoughts and God's? It's an interesting comcept, although I'm sure it'll be ridden with bullet holes before too long.
Post by: BP on March 20, 2006, 11:44:04 PM
(AKA ROLF L0L)I've never rolled on a laughing floor before.
Post by: Chupperson Weird on March 21, 2006, 07:57:42 AM
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on March 21, 2006, 09:54:09 AM
Hey! YR, you're back!
*Shakes his hands*
You missed so much!
Huh? What did I miss so much? A target or something? D ======= I---> (-(-O-)-) XD Thanks, I missed you all too. Did other people actually miss me too? Hey, is someone looking at me with binoculars? *gets out his own binoculars and sees PaperLuigi* Oh wait... now he's dropping them and running away.
Insane Steve: Your thoughts about the clock making were pretty interesting and I could see how that could work. But in evolution, there's no blind people who are making things happen and improving on their mistakes, just blind events that are randomnly making things happen and have no understanding of whether or not their effects are better or worse than the last occurences. Unless you could say that mother nature made things turn out good but that's kind of like God I think. Did I overlook anything there? I'm not trying to insult what you said, just asking something.
Koopaslaya: What big band? Did God create the universe with music too?! (that would be interesting) "Oh when the saints go mar-ching in!!" But seriously... which story says that man came first? That would be strange because man would live in a world that couldn't support his own life, unless something could keep him alive until the world appeared and then he could go there.
A can of worms? Has the topic gotten that bad? I hope not because of me. I'm trying to be honest yet fair to both sides. If I'm coming on to strong I'll try to tone it down. EYEEEEEEeeeeeeeerrwooooor. (volume going down)
Suffix: interesting thought there.
ROLF? Rawful Lawl!
Post by: Insane Steve on March 21, 2006, 12:01:21 PM
No need to apologise for presenting a different viewpoint -- that IS what this thread is for, after all.
Post by: G-Dawg on March 21, 2006, 12:13:06 PM
I guess there is evidence for everything. Finding Jesus's DNA on something (I can't remember off the top of my head), or having all of the floating gases, or wtvr else, I guess it's fine.
Post by: Koopaslaya on March 21, 2006, 03:35:32 PM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on March 21, 2006, 09:22:14 PM
Post by: Sapphira on March 21, 2006, 11:39:44 PM
However, these theories don't necessarily have to contradict each other. The thing is to simply look at the unbiased evidence presented, learn about all the different theories and ideas people have to gather insight, and formulate your OWN belief/explanation about the "hows" and "whys" of the universe. Personally, I believe in the Creation theory. However, in looking at other things said in the Bible (the source of the Creation theory), I don't believe the Creation story is completely literal, although I believe the events are all true and happened in that order.
I believe, personally, that the world was not created literally in 6 days, but that the story divides it into 6 days because at the time it was written, it was the most fathomable way to explain it. Those "days" in actuality could have been thousands or millions of years. The Bible says that to God, "a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years is like a day"--which I take to mean that God is not bound by time, as we are (which also explains how he always was, is, and will be, etc.). Since we are bound by time, it's extremely hard to fathom that something could NOT be bound by a time plane (kind of like something bound in the 2nd dimension trying to explain/understand the 3rd dimension, if you will). Anyway, since God's not bound by time, it could've taken however long or short he wanted it to, to create the universe. Because of not being bound by time, it would be kind of hard to explain when these things took place and how long it took, so it was divided into 6 main events--put into neatly packaged "days" for understanding. It very well may have taken 6 literal days, but regardless, that's not the important fact of the matter.*
Using completely pure, unbiased scientific evidence, the creation theory has not been proven wrong. Only when looked at using a biased eye has it been "shown illogical" or something. For example, the order that fossils (like, animals) have been found in the earth is the EXACT same order they were "created" in in the Creation story (I don't remember the order exactly, but something like fish, then reptiles, then birds, then mammals, then humans). Doesn't seem to be evidence AGAINST the creation theory, rather, FOR it.
As for evolution, I believe in it up to a point. To say creatures do not evolve at ALL over time would be completely naive. I believe species adapt and change over time, the "survival of the fittest", if you will (this is actually how I explain different characteristics of different races and appearances of people based on region). Those that cannot survive die, and those that can pass on those genetics. Some that can't adapt MOVE, and so their traits remain the same, and the cycle repeats itself. Genetic mutation happens, too. However, I do not believe one species turned into another, such as a cow coming from a fish or something.
As for the ape/human thing, I believe God created things in order of least complex to most complex, and apes were probably right before humans were created, thus, different creatures have more genetic similarity to each other than others do. Actually, it's rather interesting. I heard from this one scientific video about the man who "discovered" the "link" between man and apes---you know, that fossil that looks half-man, half-ape. Apparently, he admit (or it was discovered) that he put together this skeleton. He found most of the body in one place, and found the head in a completely different place--some large distance like hundreds of feet or several miles or something apart from each other---and there were many, many other fossils of different creatures in between them. Sounds like he picked a random head and a random body, and put 'em together. Sorry that I don't have a source for this. >_<;
Anyway, regardless of one's stance on Evolution and/or Creation, both are theories that come from perspectives of scientific evidence, and both require faith and logic.
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." An excellent and deep quote said by Albert Einstein.
* (Edit: With the 6-day theory, here's an interesting bit of information. The world is estimated to be billions of years old, right? As are many fossils that have been found. With this evidence, how could the Creation Story POSSIBLY literally have taken 6 days? Well, different dating methods (i.e. carbon dating) have been found to not be all that accurate or reliable. For example (again, I don't have a source; sorry >_<), this group of scientists or archaeologists or both KNEW this building was 100 years old. They KNEW it; it was a complete fact. Using carbon dating (or some other "reliable" common method), the results said that the building was something like around 1000 to 50,000 years old (or some ridiculous amount like that; I don't remember the numbers, other than the difference was ENORMOUS between the carbon date and the actual date). There was absolutely no question about age of the building, yet look how extremely off and inaccurate the results were. Our tools are not always fool-proof, so some "scientific estimations" may actually be inaccurate. The world may very well not be billions of years old. It may be, it may not be; there's no actual complete, 100% undoubted proof. More evidence that a lot of "science" requires faith, because hard facts are not always there, or are not always accurate.)
Post by: Lizard Dude on March 22, 2006, 12:00:55 AM
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on March 22, 2006, 01:28:59 PM
I agree with the 6-days may not be an actual 6-days thing, and also the part that neither theory can be proven until time travel is invented and we could see it for ourselves (but then we would probably die or destroy the world or something in that case if we go back too far). Another reason I have faith in Creation is because it hasn't been disproven yet but evolution has been disproven over and over (so I have heard, and should probably look that up too, sorry). Despite that, I understand that evolution is so much more complicated and still being studied so it may never reach a point where it can't be disproven (while the theory of Creation stays the same all the time). And you're right, LD, it's good that people try to keep changing it to stay accurate with their observations.
So, I'm sorry if I have talked way too much in this topic. I just want to expand my thinking here and hear what people have to say so I can have equal understanding in this. Did I already say that before? (probably just a million times XD). I'll say one more time what is the main reason I believe in God and creation because so far, IMO, He is the only way to find our real meaning in life and nothing else appears to be able to do that. Evolution has some very fascinating (and downright cool) ideas, but says that our significance in the world equals nothing, and I just can't accept that for myself.
"Unless you assume a God, the question of life's purpose is meaningless." Betrand Russell, atheist (from the book Purpose Driven Life)
And now... no one shall ever listen to me again if they ever did before. I probably deserve it though. XD
Edit: Btw, is it true that science always strives to prove itself wrong, or does it sometimes try to hide proof that contradicts evolution or creation? Only curious, no offense.
Post by: dude677 on March 22, 2006, 03:02:40 PM
He is back!!
Also, what YR just said on Time travel...
What if we are part of a loop?
OK, think about this, okay?
In Back To The Future, Marty goes back in time, where he sees his mom and dad in their teen age, well, that made me thinking.
"These guys are stuck in a loop."
WHat I Mean is that the past keeps on repeating its self, thats why we probalby CAN travel back into time. So, 1000000000000000000000000000000000000 Big Bangs could be happening each and every day, possibly more.
So, what if we are ACTUALLY the past loops? What if we are RIPPLES in HISTROY?
What if we are just the PAST of ourselfves that ACTUALLY live in the FUTURE!
If my theory is correct, then that means that our life IS predetermined, that our lives are already planned. Think about THIS!
If a Time Machine was sent to the future, there wouldn't be ONE if there is no faith, but with what MOVIES show, there is destiny, our lives are ALREADY planned out. If there wasn't a predetermined set of events, then a Time Machine would short-circuit going to the future, because, THERE MAY NOT BE ONE!!
Post by: PaperLuigi on March 22, 2006, 04:26:50 PM
Post by: Suzaku on March 22, 2006, 04:34:40 PM
I think PaperLuigi sums up my stance on all these things quite nicely. thank you, PL.
Post by: Lizard Dude on March 22, 2006, 05:00:06 PM
"Unless you assume a God, the question of life's purpose is meaningless." Betrand Russell, atheist (from the book Purpose Driven Life)
Why does life need to have a purpose besides whatever goals you set for yourself? I mean, why do you want to have goals set by someone else (a god)?
Post by: dude677 on March 22, 2006, 05:12:32 PM
*cowers with fear*
Post by: Koopaslaya on March 22, 2006, 05:25:12 PM
Why does life need to have a purpose besides whatever goals you set for yourself? I mean, why do you want to have goals set by someone else (a god)?
Lizard Dude,
Well, you bring a interesting point to the floor. Funny thing is... God dosen't "set goals" for you. You set your own goals. THat is why we have free will. Think about it like this...
Let's pretend thatI make an army of robots. I program these robots to love me unconditionally. Woulf this love mean anything to me? Not really. They are just doing whatever I programmed them to do.
Now let's suppose that I have a robot that is programed with free will. It can freely choose to love me, or not to. Its love will mean so much more because it dosen't HAVE to love me, but it does. This is the doctrine of Free Will.
So God has a plan for us, but he dosen't tell us our every move. It just dosen't work like that. God lets you set your own goals. But he does provide a model for living. It is hardly denyable that stiving to live up to the golden rule (love your neighbor like yourself) is a bad goal in life.
Post by: Lizard Dude on March 22, 2006, 05:46:47 PM
Post by: PaperLuigi on March 22, 2006, 07:30:45 PM
I think PaperLuigi sums up my stance on all these things quite nicely. thank you, PL.
You're welcome, Sazaku. I learned along time ago that fighting with others about your beliefs is a bad idea.
Post by: G-Dawg on March 22, 2006, 07:52:45 PM
Post by: Insane Steve on March 22, 2006, 09:50:02 PM
I'll sum up why I believe in science over religion (despite neither being proven) in two points:
1) Most people I know who try to justify the existance of God and creationism use circular logic to "prove" their point. It may be eloquently worded, but it's still mostly "God exists because there's no way He can't exist." The only really compelling argument I generally see is the "what's the purpose of life?" to which I cite the human free will argument. I have more than enough goals for myself to achieve in my lifetime.
2) Essentially, Lizard Dude's argument. Science strives to prove and disprove itself constantly. Scientists feel no shame if it is discovered that their ideas were entirely wrong (assuming the act of being wrong didn't harm anyone); they just look at the evidence and try again. Religion tends to turn away from changing itself. A lot of religious customs are very deeply rooted; while I see nothing wrong with this as is, it seems a bit hard to follow something that thrives on the status quo.
I agree with the disagreements can become a mess assessment, but I'm glad that this one's been flame-free for the last 15 or so pages. Very rare to see a religious discussion stay this docile for this long on the internet. Keep up the good discussion.
Post by: Chupperson Weird on March 22, 2006, 10:00:55 PM
Post by: smfan1085 on March 22, 2006, 10:03:46 PM
I don't believe in evolution between species, but I do believe in microevolution (if that's what it's called), which is obviously a real phenomenon. It's like the situation with those finches that Darwin studied; they got thicker beaks because the ones with bigger beaks could crack nuts more easily and thus were more likely to survive and reproduce.
Post by: Chupperson Weird on March 22, 2006, 10:07:46 PM
Post by: Lizard Dude on March 23, 2006, 02:24:55 AM
That's like saying you believe in water droplets but don't believe you can fill a container with enough of them.
And as for
Another reason I have faith in Creation is because it hasn't been disproven yet but evolution has been disproven over and over (so I have heard, and should probably look that up too, sorry).
I'll quote Stephen J. Gould:
Quote from: Stephen J. Gould
Yet amidst all this turmoil no biologist has been led to doubt the fact that evolution occurred; we are debating how it happened. We are all trying to explain the same thing: the tree of evolutionary descent linking all organisms by ties of genealogy. Creationists pervert and caricature this debate by conveniently neglecting the common conviction that underlies it, and by falsely suggesting that evolutionists now doubt the very phenomenon we are struggling to understand.
Post by: Koopaslaya on March 23, 2006, 03:18:31 PM
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on March 24, 2006, 04:51:37 PM
Koopaslaya: You said it much better than I could! Free will is real love.
IS: I too would also prefer to live in a world where people believe different things. In history, hasn't there been times where people have changed religion to make it whatever they want and used it to control people and steal their money? (I really need to learn more history, doh!) I don't want that at all.
People may also believe in God because after they try to really know more about Him and obey Him, they experience great changes in their lives and can discover that God is helping them to act like He wants them to. God helps his followers do more than just survive their problems but also learn from them and grow stronger in character (like learning patience from situations that make people feel impatient, and so on). But despite how wonderful that is, living as a real, authentic Christian means living a way that can sometimes be very challenging and unpopular, but overall makes you feel alive and close to God.
If believers of religion changed their beliefs whenever they wanted to, that could cause a few problems for others who aren't careful. Of course, it takes both faith and continual research that things have stayed the way they should through history. Have there been a lot of religions that have changed or come from other religions?
Speaking of accuracy, I do have a reason for believing the Bible and there's more to it than just blind faith. When I read the Bible I'm positive that it's true because God tells me that it is. If something isn't true then He would definitely let me know and help me find the truth. (I think there was a Bible verse about the Holy Spirit leading people to the truth, but I don't have time to look it up right now, sorry). I know this could sound rediculous to people who aren't saved but it's completely true and I know that it's not my imagination. If you don't experience it for yourself then it's difficult to understand, but God gives wisdom and understanding to those who ask for it (again, I forget that verse DX). Even though I don't understand everything in the Bible and some parts make me go "You got to be kidding me!" (like when Jesus basically called a Gentile woman a dog), I still trust that there's a reason for things that I can't see now and might never comprehend, but I still trust that He knows more than I ever will and has a reason for everything.
I admit that at first I didn't know that evolution was a theory in-progress and continually changing, and I thank you, LD and anyone else, who said that to clear that up for me. Because I also thought it stayed the same all the time but... oops! Guess not. Big flunk-a-roony in evolution 101. I wonder if most other Creationists know that or not. But there are different kinds of evolution in the world and some involve different kinds of changes, and not all of them may be correct. If every different form of evolution is put together and called the same thing even if it's not correct, then it gets confusing and people may think that all of it is or isn't right. Even without that it can still be confusing though.
LD: Having your own goals for yourself is fine, but having goals that you can use to serve God is even better. When I used to live just to make myself happy (which I'm still trying to get out of that with God's help) I didn't feel good at all. Then I decided that it was all stupid and a waste of time, and knew that it was time to start doing things for God before I missed the whole point in life. Now I'm trying to obey God and find His plan for my life, and feel like I'm really living now and making a difference in the world. Maybe others will do just fine by doing things their own way and not feel like I did, but I believe (there's that word again!) for myself that if I would have stayed this way, nothing would have changed the way I felt.
Sorry that I always say WAY too much, but when I start typing I sometimes need a little restraint ^_^:. Nothing at all in the world will ever end this debate (except for in this area with "Okay, you guys need to act more mature. Topic closed.") and I'm fine that it's that way. I just want to share my own experiences and give out hope to find a new life. I may not know it all (obviously) and I may sound pretty nuts occasionally (more obviously), but I do know what I believe and want others to belive too, so they can find a life better than ever imagined.
Okay then... I better get back to my college work already! GAH!! *unchains himself from the computer*
Ah say now... let's bury the flame gun! (just an idea for a new sig)
Edit: Holy cow! I can't believe I said that much stuff!!! X_X
Post by: PaperLuigi on March 24, 2006, 09:36:15 PM
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on March 24, 2006, 09:50:50 PM
Now I'll try to give it a rest for a bit.
Edit: Does saying you're trying to be humble make you not humble? I'll need to think that one over.
Post by: smfan1085 on March 25, 2006, 01:14:28 AM
How in the heck can you believe in "microevolution" and not "macroevolution" when the only difference between them is one of time and scale?What I was basically saying was the same thing as something Sapphira said in her last post. I don't know that "microevolution" is the correct term for the evolution I do believe in, though.
That's like saying you believe in water droplets but don't believe you can fill a container with enough of them.
Whatever it's called, this very minor type of evolution involves only modifications made to already existing bodily structures for the most part. Macroevolution, which involves complete changes to bodily structures and the addition of new ones, is quite a different sort of thing. Thus the difference is not a mere matter of time and space.
I may exit this debate now, even if it isn't anywhere near over, because things like this tend to get me somewhat frustrated.
Post by: Lizard Dude on March 25, 2006, 02:30:42 AM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on March 26, 2006, 09:27:54 PM
Post by: G-Dawg on March 27, 2006, 12:20:34 PM
Post by: BP on March 27, 2006, 12:24:37 PM
Post by: G-Dawg on March 27, 2006, 12:29:55 PM
Post by: Pt_Peach on March 27, 2006, 01:35:50 PM
It's been said in this topic before, but if we came from monkeys, why are monkeys still here? Why is there no specie between human and monkey in the world?
Thats exactly what I was trying to find out.
Post by: mario_luigifan104 on March 27, 2006, 02:22:43 PM
Post by: Lizard Dude on March 27, 2006, 03:56:53 PM
While it's undeniable that evolution occurs, I'm pretty sure we didn't evolve from apes. That's my two cents on that.
Then what did we evolve from?
I would bet 3 cents that we didn't. I know they have proof that we are similar to monkeys, but you know, I don't even want to think that we are related. It would be too weird and scary. Because you would have to go to the zoo to have a family reunion, you know. I don't think that's supposed to be.
Do you have family reunions with your relatives dating back millions of years? If you were going to the zoo for a family reunion, you'd have to include every single human in the party, too.
It's been said in this topic before, but if we came from monkeys, why are monkeys still here? Why is there no specie between human and monkey in the world?
Monkeys are still here because they're still the masters of living in their specific environments, jungles, savannas, and the like. No other species has successfully outcompeted them there. Evolution is not a linear progression of making things "better". Stuff just changes randomly through naturally occuring mutation, and when some change creates a creature more likely to survive and thus mate and have offspring, and thus genetically pass on that successful trait to the offspring, and thus make them more successful and spread the new trait even further, this new version could be better suited to a different environment and take control there but not eliminate the original species, or it could be strictly better at the existing environment and cause the the original version to go extinct, or both old and new could co-exist. Modern humans and monkeys don't really heavily compete for the same resources so they can easily co-exist (neglecting the fact that humans live everywhere on the planet and are making everything go extinct). There are TONS of species between monkey and human, just go look in a modern biology or anthropology textbook, but for the most part, since more modern versions of humans shared the same resources but were superior at fighting/thinking/food gathering, these are all extinct.
Yes mam! I truly 100% believe in God. I do not, however, agree with Darwin's theory of evolution because to me it is 100% bull s---, and it should not be taught in school nor should that "intellegent design" that some new freak scientist has come up with. I believe the truth should be taught, and that students should be forced to believe it.
As this thread illustrates, you can't force someone to believe something, no matter how much evidence there is to one side or the other.
Post by: Sapphira on March 27, 2006, 05:58:17 PM
Then what did we evolve from?Who said we had to evolve from anything? Why is it so unfathomable that the human species is in and of itself, and has only adapted and changed within its own species? Just because we have closer genetic similarities to apes than to other creatures doesn't mean we had to have come from the same "common ancestor." Besides, don't all creatures share more or less genetic similarities to each other? Just because there's correlation, it doesn't neccessarily mean the relationship is what we think it is. Like how there's correlation between crime rates and ice cream sales, two completely unrelated things, there are many, many theorized (and logical) reasons/explanations as to how and why things correlate.
Post by: Chupperson Weird on March 27, 2006, 06:38:55 PM
Are dolphins sentient?
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on March 27, 2006, 08:46:33 PM
For this post I wanted to say something about knowledge instead of just faith, but I don't have time to find information for what I wanted to talk about. Does anyone know where I can find quick references for the different forms of evolution such as micro- and macroevolution? I'd appreciate it.
Edit: I plan on reading Enumah Elish later if I have time and remember.
"Officer, that man just swiped my ice cream cone!!"
Officer: "Freeze, man! Drop the cone and no one gets hurt!"
Post by: Koopaslaya on March 27, 2006, 08:55:39 PM
I disagree that evolution shouldn't be a topic in biology class. I think that everything should get a fair shot. It's a theory about how the world works, its unprovable, but likely, especially with the fossil record.
I seem to think that both creation and evolution can be related. No one said that God couldn't have set off the big bang, and let evolution happen! And especially since the framework of the creation story is found in {i}Enumah Elish[/i] a Babalyonian creation story, it is doubtful that it actually happened like that. And the two creation stories in the Bible make it clear that creations is possible but no probable. No one seems to take the 4 truths I gave earlier as good advice.
Unfortunately, this deate will rage on untill the end of the human race. I guess one should go with what he beilieves, but only if it is an educated opinion. I know a lot about evolution and creation, and I think evolution is the better sounding deal, some of you may disagree. I urge you all to become educated before you make your decision though. THat is the most important thing.
Post by: Lizard Dude on March 27, 2006, 09:13:25 PM
Unfortunately, this deate will rage on untill the end of the human race. I guess one should go with what he beilieves, but only if it is an educated opinion. I know a lot about evolution and creation, and I think evolution is the better sounding deal, some of you may disagree. I urge you all to become educated before you make your decision though. THat is the most important thing.
Someone give this man a prize.
Post by: G-Dawg on March 27, 2006, 10:10:01 PM
(And probably a lot of other people.)
Post by: PaperLuigi on March 27, 2006, 10:14:30 PM
Post by: smfan1085 on March 27, 2006, 11:48:54 PM
Education and the public school system should really leave us alone on the subject. Why, just the other day, we watched a video on Darwin, and in the film, he denied God. I'm not saying that's bad or anything, but I don't agree with him. Yet the teachers expect us to write down his quotes about how evolution was a "better base of belief then creationism." I of course, being a Christian, wrote down on my paper that I refuse to answer these questions based on the fact that I was a Christian and did not believe in evolution. Boy, was I in trouble. I just wish they'd let us be on the subject, becuase they don't permit Christian study, however they drill evolution down our mouths.That is, well, just plain outrageous. Teaching atheistic evolution as a fact and pointedly ignoring the possibility that the world may have been created, and on top of that trying to force students to make statements that might contradict their religious beliefs, is simply an unacceptable thing for any school to do. Just because something is a secular institution doesn't mean that it has to work against religion (though a lot of people today, like the ACLU, seem to think that it does). Public schools are funded by the government, which thrives on our money, and now they are increasingly becoming centers for atheistic and left-wing propaganda. It drives me mad the way people nowadays are trying to utterly stamp out every trace of religious belief left in this country.
If the public school people just taught evolution as a theory, and also let the students know about the other side of the debate, there wouldn't be a problem. Evolution cannot be rightly considered a fact, since it has never been proven and cannot be proven, just as the idea that the universe was created cannot be proven.
Post by: BP on March 28, 2006, 01:52:52 AM
That said, I'm still a proud Catholic. But being a scientist doesn't sound like a bad deal... a Catholic scientist, of course. No cloning, though. Forensics.
Post by: Lizard Dude on March 28, 2006, 07:11:49 AM
EVERYTHING in science is a theory. Science is just the best explanations we currently have for stuff we actually discover. And that's precisely what should be taught in science class. You shouldn't even mention God or creationism in a science class because there's no evidence for it. Sheesh, that's a different class. It's called Theology or whatnot. Attend a church, perhaps. Don't expect it from science class, a class where they teach science, not tales told by ancient civilizations.
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on March 28, 2006, 08:36:22 AM
If we evolved at all, it was from very primitive humans. Cavemen. Big, muscular hairy guys with clubs and grunting. You can't say that coming from cavemen isn't evolution. But that's because the human race's intelligence as a whole has increased. Technology and guns were made, eliminating the need for clubs. Junk food and TV were invented, eliminating giant muscles. Razors were invented, so we're not as hairy. More advanced communication has been created, we no longer run around going "Me kill you. Get out cave."
Ha ha ha! That's too good.
PaperLuigi: My Dad gave me some good advice about what I should do in my biology class before I was about to learn about evolution one night. He told me to just agree with them no matter what and right down on the test what they want to hear. I think that's good advice. Not that you can't stand up and tell everyone you disagree, but it may not do any good and you could receive a worse grade for it. One thing you could do (if you really need to protest) is just write at the bottom of the test "I don't believe in this but I'm going to follow the rules anyway so I can succeed in this class" or something. There's probably no reason to protest if you have a clear conscious and remember that there's enough people protesting already. XD
And like LD said, evolution is thought of more as science than is creation because it involves scientific processes of mutation and adaptation (that may not be true but we do need theories), but creation has nothing scientific as the world would call it. But yeah, public schools shouldn't mock other beliefs and they should just focus on their own material. Let's educate and not intimidate. Maybe I should go to a theology class someday, because all of this is very interesting.
*gives Koopaslaya a trophy that says "Koopaslaya: For Giving Wise Advice in A Survey This Is" and gives himself a trophy that says "YR: for saying something like Koopaslaya said but not exactly"*
Post by: PaperLuigi on March 28, 2006, 07:50:19 PM
EDIT: Thanks for the advice, YR. If they want to believe we came from monkeys, (even though there are still monkeys today), that's okay with me.
Post by: Jman on March 28, 2006, 08:50:58 PM
Post by: smfan1085 on March 28, 2006, 09:02:12 PM
EVERYTHING in science is a theory. Science is just the best explanations we currently have for stuff we actually discover. And that's precisely what should be taught in science class. You shouldn't even mention God or creationism in a science class because there's no evidence for it. Sheesh, that's a different class. It's called Theology or whatnot. Attend a church, perhaps. Don't expect it from science class, a class where they teach science, not tales told by ancient civilizations.
What's taught in science class is that everything in the universe came about by chance, and that contradicts religious belief. It doesn't make sense if we're taught in science class that the universe wasn't created, but taught in religion class that it was. Really, when you're talking about the origin of the universe and of life, you simply can't leave religion out of the discussion. (Note that by religion I am mostly just talking in this case about belief in the existence of a God who created the universe, whether through evolutionary processes or through direct creation.) And since neither atheism nor religion can be decisively proved to be right, it's not right for atheism to be taught as truth and Christianity to be merely presented as untrue myth. People who teach such things in school are basically brainwashing students into believing what they're saying, since the students may never have heard the evidence for the other side before.
Also, there most certainly is evidence for religion, such as well-documented instances of miraculous healing from water from Lourdes, France, more than one instance in which a statue of the Virgin Mary was reliably reported to have actually wept, etc.
Post by: Koopaslaya on March 28, 2006, 09:08:54 PM
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on March 28, 2006, 09:20:00 PM
One possible theory with monkeys still existing with humans, is that maybe some creatures evolved into another species while others didn't for some reason. Or you could say that some creatures are catching up with us, and not evolving as fast. I bet that I sound like I'm supporting evolution, but I'm trying to think of theories for these things.
smf1085: The main theory of evolution doesn't involve God unless that is a theory I haven't heard of in education, or if you just believe that for yourself. And when we think about brainwashing, that can be someone's opinion about anything (maybe even religions too). In my opinion something isn't brainwashing if it makes you become a better person, but I guess it's all how you look at it.
IMO miracles are the best proof for the existence of God, and I love to hear stories of them in the Bible and today. But some people might say they were just coincidences, or aliens, or other unknown forces, so that's another reason people can choose not to believe that.
Btw, there's one thing I really want to know about evolution. What happened that caused men and women to have different bodies and bodily functions, and also to think differently from each other too? Is there a theory for that?
Edit: I read your post, Koopaslaya! I just didn't really have anything to say about this time. But it was still interesting. If you want I can polish your trophy for you or something. *wipes it a few times and then accidently knocks it over and breaks* Oops. I'll... uh... get a new one.
Post by: smfan1085 on March 28, 2006, 09:32:38 PM
smf1085: The main theory of evolution doesn't involve God unless that is a theory I haven't heard of in education, or if you just believe that for yourself.
Yes, I realize the main theory of evolution doesn't involve God. That's what I was saying. However, many Christians (including Koopaslaya here and possibly others) believe that God created the universe and everything in it, but that he did it indirectly, using evolutionary processes. This theory is called "theistic evolution". I personally don't find it convincing myself, but it doesn't contradict Christian beliefs, so people who believe in it are not necessarily "unorthodox" Christians or anything.
Post by: Chupperson Weird on March 28, 2006, 10:44:23 PM
Post by: Insane Steve on March 28, 2006, 10:52:48 PM
I'll let my children become total idiots before I ship them to a school that teaches religion in science class. The major proponents for ruining school ciriculums with religion all have one thing in common; NONE OF THEM KNOW THE DEFINITION OF "THEORY". They think that a theory is anything that haven't been proven yet. That's not all of it. A theory must have significant scientific evidence to support it. Religion has no scientific evidence supporting it at all. Religion is not a theory. It is a belief. Evolution is a theory -- one that is often NOT believed in because it supposedly contradicts religious teachings. Believe it or don't, it's STILL more of a scientific theory than anything religion teaches.
Post by: PaperLuigi on March 28, 2006, 10:58:53 PM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on March 28, 2006, 11:02:15 PM
Post by: BP on March 29, 2006, 12:34:01 AM
Post by: smfan1085 on March 29, 2006, 12:41:58 AM
Who said evolution and Christianity can't coincide?Just to make sure that I was clear before, I didn't say that, although at least one person earlier on the page (not referring to you, Bird Person) seemed to think I did.
Post by: Luigison on May 29, 2006, 01:39:54 AM
Post by: Hirocon on May 29, 2006, 03:30:59 AM
1) The Universe exists.
2) Humans are sentient.
These facts are beyond the realm of science but are undeniably real and important. They don't prove the correctness of any specific religion, but I see them as evidence of something spiritual.
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on May 31, 2006, 04:45:06 PM
Who said evolution and Christianity can't coincide? Some theories, like Earth coming from a chemical reaction seem logical... but I believe God made it happen.
It could be possible that some parts of evolution could work with creation, but there might not be too many. For instance, Genesis 1:24 says that God made creatures to produce after their own kind and so they wouldn't evolve and produce different kinds of creatures. And if the Bible were true, the Flood would be the reason for many fossils of dinosaurs and other creatures buried underground, instead of a huge disaster and then erosion. (If all creatures, including dinosaurs, boarded the ark then some of them could still be alive today, which many smart people have seriously claimed to have seen. But I won't get into that again.)
I heard an interesting theory from a certain website that says that animals in the past used to be much stronger than they are now, but thanks to Adam and Eve's disobedience God cursed the world (Genesis 3:14-19) and the animals began to slowly degenerate. So, this would cause them to be different from the animals today and give the appearance of mutations. I'm not sure if I believe this but it does make a lot of sense in my mind.
Smfan1085: Sorry that I misunderstood you there.
Hirocon: I agree with you, but I'm not sure if that's the correct way to think of it as scientific thinking goes. But some things will probably never be explained with science and I bet that the more we discover about the universe, the more confused we'll be.
Luigison: Heh. I heard about that.
Post by: Koopaslaya on May 31, 2006, 06:52:41 PM
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Cain had relations with his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. Cain also became the founder of a city, which he named after his son Enoch.(Genesis 6:17)
Where did Cain's wife come from if God created only Adam and Eve? You see, Adam and Ever are symbols for all of humanity, from its earliest beginnings. No matter how strongly you feel about the direct creation, you can not be right. Scientifically, it has been proven that the earth is more than 4,000 years old. I can feel that 2+3=10, but I will be wrong. I know you are now thinking: "nothing can be 100% proven." Well then, can chemical properties be proven 100%? No! But are they correct? Yes! There is no faith involved. There is faith involved when it comes to God.
The Bible is the words of God IN the words of man. We must also recall this message was written for an antiquated society.
Later in the Bible, it says one day is like 1000 years to God, and 1000 years like one day. Evolution happened. God was the uncaused cause for this evolution.
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on May 31, 2006, 08:37:24 PM
I've heard that some people believe that the Earth is 6,000 years old and that would be more than 4,000 (unless 6,000 was what you meant). In my opinion, it would be strange for God to tell people how he created everything in riddles and not just say it in plain terms (but that's me). I don't know for sure if everything is literal and I hope that I don't sound like I'm trying to say it is. I'm just questioning everything to find out what I can and learn more.
One thing I believe (sorry, I know it gets old) is that the world before the Flood was very different and because of that it could have made the Earth look younger or older than it is now. I know how crazy it sounds but I've heard the theory of a water vapor around the earth that could filter out sunlight (Genesis 1:6-7) and then God used that as part of the water in the Flood (Genesis 7:11). With the filter gone, the world would be very different and much warmer. There's probably no way to prove this but I like the whole idea of a sun filter.
God's time may be different than ours but that doesn't mean that all time mentioned in the Bible could be more or less than it actually is. Some things are symbolic but not all. But there could be some things that are and we don't know.
Post by: Koopaslaya on June 01, 2006, 11:44:24 AM
I've heard that some people believe that the Earth is 6,000 years old and that would be more than 4,000 (unless 6,000 was what you meant). In my opinion, it would be strange for God to tell people how he created everything in riddles and not just say it in plain terms (but that's me). I don't know for sure if everything is literal and I hope that I don't sound like I'm trying to say it is. I'm just questioning everything to find out what I can and learn more.
One thing I believe (sorry, I know it gets old) is that the world before the Flood was very different and because of that it could have made the Earth look younger or older than it is now. I know how crazy it sounds but I've heard the theory of a water vapor around the earth that could filter out sunlight (Genesis 1:6-7) and then God used that as part of the water in the Flood (Genesis 7:11). With the filter gone, the world would be very different and much warmer. There's probably no way to prove this but I like the whole idea of a sun filter.
You are somewhat correct, but look... the people of the ancient times did not have the capacity of understanding the universe as we do. We do now, and we also can understand what Genesis is really about. Just look at the fossil record, if that isn't enough evidence for evolution, I don't know what is.
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on June 01, 2006, 01:19:57 PM
I heard an interesting theory from a certain website that says that animals in the past used to be much stronger than they are now, but thanks to Adam and Eve's disobedience God cursed the world (Genesis 3:14-19) and the animals began to slowly degenerate. So, this would cause them to be different from the animals today and give the appearance of mutations. I'm not sure if I believe this but it does make a lot of sense in my mind.
(I just put that quote there so I wouldn't have to say it again ;)). How do we know what Genesis is really about? It could be an example of something else but it doesn't say that it is, and other parts of the Bible people talk about it as an actual event. And even though the people back then didn't have the technology that we do, they knew some things that we didn't right away, such as that the Earth is round, that there are jets in the ocean, and that there is life in our blood. God told them these things and then we discovered them later.
I realize that there are many things in the world that suggest evolution, and I hear about the small mutations that some animals go through. However, the evidence may not be for evolution but perhaps something else that we don't understand yet. I hope that I'm not irritating people by disagreeing because I don't want to do that. Maybe some parts of evolution and creation could mix together, but people don't have to agree with everything as long as they believe the most important things in life.
Post by: Chupperson Weird on June 01, 2006, 10:33:36 PM
In my opinion, it would be strange for God to tell people how he created everything in riddles and not just say it in plain terms (but that's me).Yeah, except God wasn't the one doing the telling. It was someone (the person that set down that part of the Bible) who was trying their best to explain the world they saw around them. People of the past with their limited understanding made things up to fit what they did understand. You can't take some things, especially stuff like creation stories, literally. What about creation myths from other religions/mythologies? They must be wrong, huh? From the point of view of one of those religions, the Christian creation myth is "wrong" too. The earth exists. People have been trying to explain why forever.
Post by: G-Dawg on June 02, 2006, 04:07:44 PM
Post by: Lizard Dude on June 04, 2006, 12:05:28 PM
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on June 04, 2006, 05:25:08 PM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on June 04, 2006, 05:56:30 PM
Post by: G-Dawg on June 05, 2006, 12:09:58 PM
Way to keep up the trend.
No...see I started a new one.
Post by: The Chef on June 05, 2006, 02:35:17 PM
Post by: smfan1085 on June 05, 2006, 07:50:46 PM
There's a great flood story in almost every culture, if that's what you mean.
And this tends to support the idea that there actually was a flood. The story, if it really happened, would have been passed down for generations, changing slightly in certain particulars among various peoples.
Post by: PaperLuigi on June 05, 2006, 09:47:39 PM
Post by: Lizard Dude on June 05, 2006, 10:22:35 PM
Post by: Pt_Peach on June 06, 2006, 05:10:10 PM
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on June 13, 2006, 12:43:31 PM
Unlike most people, I like to think that Noah brought dinosaurs on the ark with him. If they were infants when they got on then they could still fit. Genesis did say they had two of every creature. That's just my thought.
Post by: Koopaslaya on June 13, 2006, 01:50:32 PM
Post by: G-Dawg on June 13, 2006, 02:11:44 PM
Post by: BP on June 13, 2006, 10:57:38 PM
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on June 14, 2006, 01:26:50 PM
"Oh man! What if we're the last of our kind? We'll have to repopulate the entire world!"
"How? Everyone we know is either a dude or our sister!"
Post by: G-Dawg on June 14, 2006, 02:18:18 PM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on June 14, 2006, 02:35:40 PM
Unlike most people, I like to think that Noah brought dinosaurs on the ark with him. If they were infants when they got on then they could still fit. Genesis did say they had two of every creature.EXCEPT DINOSAURS WERE LONG DEAD WAY BEFORE HUMANS EXISTED.
Yep. There's even a flood in Islam.This is not surprising considering Islam was founded later than a lot of religions.
Post by: Pt_Peach on June 14, 2006, 03:16:05 PM
Judaism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah#In_Rabbinic_tradition)
Christianity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah#In_Christian_tradition)
Islam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah#In_Islamic_tradition)
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on June 15, 2006, 03:55:48 PM
CW: I've heard about that but I don't know if I believe it. It definitely could be true but I'm just not sure. Scientists can have great ideas and discoveries from research, but what if some of them don't share the information that goes against what they want people to believe? (I know-- by now I sound like a paranoid disbeliever XD) And how is it possible that the coelecanth fish is alive today when it was supposed to have gone extinct 70 million years ago? That doesn't really apply to the coexisting thing, but sometimes mistakes in science can happen. Sorry for disagreeing again.
Post by: nensondubois on June 16, 2006, 04:24:12 PM
Post by: The Blue Toad on June 16, 2006, 04:35:03 PM
Post by: Jman on June 16, 2006, 04:39:01 PM
Post by: Insane Steve on June 16, 2006, 05:11:51 PM
Actaully, I would say that marketing has influence over Christianity, but that's just me.
Ya, I always wondered what bunnies and baskets full of candy have to do with the supposed death and re-birth of a popular figure to atone for the sins of the world. Ya know. There's definitely an intrinsic link between the two. Yep.
Post by: The Chef on June 16, 2006, 05:31:39 PM
Post by: nensondubois on June 16, 2006, 06:00:53 PM
Post by: The Chef on June 16, 2006, 06:06:43 PM
Post by: nensondubois on June 16, 2006, 06:14:43 PM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on June 16, 2006, 08:16:43 PM
I may not be 100% correct.
Post by: nensondubois on June 16, 2006, 08:22:55 PM
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on June 16, 2006, 11:24:15 PM
may it vex me that christianity has influence over marketing in america, that really anoys me because state and church of SUPPOSED TO BE SEPERATE!!! There i said it Happy Now?? Geesh.
The Constitution doesn't talk about separation of church and state, but it is mentioned in a letter from Jefferson, I think (better find out more!). Does anyone know why the US follows that? I agree with it in some parts but other times I wonder if that idea goes too far.
Also, don't all religions have influence over marketing?
Post by: The Chef on June 17, 2006, 08:41:44 AM
Post by: nensondubois on June 17, 2006, 09:20:30 AM
The Constitution doesn't talk about separation of church and state, but it is mentioned in a letter from Jefferson, I think (better find out more!). Does anyone know why the US follows that? I agree with it in some parts but other times I wonder if that idea goes too far.
Also, don't all religions have influence over marketing?
because of religeous freedom. and no not all religions follow the market like the appiffani for christmas.