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Title: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on August 02, 2006, 08:38:08 AM
I made this thread for discussion about cartoons, seeing is how Nintendo Bros.' polls sparked a lot of toon discussion. So the last thing we left off at was about the Simpsons. Hopefully the mods will merge those posts with this topic.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Chupperson Weird on August 02, 2006, 05:22:49 PM
Um, what was wrong with the last topic?
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperLuigi on August 02, 2006, 07:25:51 PM
Nothing, he just wanted to create a topic where we could all come and talk about cartoons instead of getting off topic in the other one.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Koopaslaya on August 02, 2006, 09:11:13 PM
We are getting off topic right now, if you haven't noticed.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Chupperson Weird on August 02, 2006, 11:24:56 PM
The other one wasn't off topic; it was a natural progression of the discussion.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr. Wiggles on August 03, 2006, 02:38:42 AM
Well, this thread certainly got off on the wrong foot.

To clear things up, I don't hate The Simpsons. I hate what it has become. I also hate the cheap shots the crew takes at Family Guy since they claim FG is a rip-off of the Simpsons. Wow, both of the dads are complete idiots? Both are about a family? What else can we find good sirs?
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on August 03, 2006, 12:13:31 PM
I don't really understand the popularity of Family Guy. The jokes on it can be found on any other show.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperLuigi on August 03, 2006, 12:52:32 PM
No way, Chef. Out of any show I've ever seen in my life, Family Guy tops them all in terms of comedy.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Dark_Shark on August 03, 2006, 05:46:10 PM
No.You can find that king of humor anywhere.(South Park.Only it is 100x funnier than Family Guy)
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: SushieBoy on August 03, 2006, 06:01:28 PM
No, SP has that stupid kind of humor, The Simpsons RULES all.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperLuigi on August 03, 2006, 06:24:19 PM
Family Guy is still my favorite.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: SushieBoy on August 03, 2006, 06:25:39 PM
FG is okay, but Simpsons is my favorite, SP is stupid.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: TEM on August 03, 2006, 06:36:55 PM
South Park is more intelligent than both combined. If you fail to see that it's a personal problem.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: AbercrombieBaseball on August 03, 2006, 09:27:48 PM
I'm not a fan of either "Simpsons" or "Family Guy". I don't find either very funny and because of that have hardly watched them. "South Park" would be good if they cut out all the sexual content--get rid of those bad jokes/words and you have a clever show. I've seen more of "South Park" than the other two combined, but have never watched it on a regular basis--usually just when someone has the DVDs and pops one in. I'm one of these people who would much rather watch sports on TV (unless it's poker, which I just find to be really boring on TV).

I guess I'm just not that into cartoons. I never saw many at all when I was little and I didn't even know what Nickelodeon was until I was in kindergarten and other people talked about it! In fact, I didn't even see a "Bat Man" cartoon on TV until I was nine. Some of the animated/computer movies they make (such as "Finding Nemo") are quite good though.

But yes, "Simpsons" and "Family Guy" do nothing for me. I'd rather watch sports or "American Idol".
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Chupperson Weird on August 03, 2006, 10:23:09 PM
Tell me, why do you post in a cartoon discussion thread for the sole purpose of stating how you aren't into cartoons?
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: SushieBoy on August 03, 2006, 10:25:01 PM
I don't know!
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: AbercrombieBaseball on August 03, 2006, 10:37:01 PM
Well, if we are to each give our opinions of cartoons, I might as well give mine.

This is like when you go to an open discussion about, say, tax inceases. The topic is about the possible increase coming soon, but you are the one against the tax increase and you go to state your position and make your voice heard. Even if you're not exactly what the moderator/leader wants, you are presenting an alternate point of opinion for people to think about, agree with, or argue with. As long as you're not talking about, say, the gas mileage of 2006 Volvo S40 sedans (which would be off topic) and are staying focused on something (i.e. the counterpoint) it should be acceptable.

This example above can be translated to this section of the forum as to why I wrote what I did. In a way, this is a problem of democracy, but in another sense, it is a free-speech environment working at its finest.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: TEM on August 04, 2006, 12:00:45 AM
You didn't counterpoint anything. If this were your "tax increase" scenario, it would be like someone coming in and saying, "In my country, we don't even have taxes :D".
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Hirocon on August 04, 2006, 02:00:17 AM
Back on topic...

South Park is my favorite cartoon.  Often South Park is just stupid, but when it's good, it's great.  My second favorite cartoon is Futurama.  Futurama is far superior to The Simpsons IMHO.  I think many will agree that some of the best episodes of The Simpsons are the Treehouse of Horror Halloween specials, because in those episodes the writers can just do any crazy thing they think of without worrying about the constraints of reality.  Every single episode of Futurama is like that.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr. Wiggles on August 04, 2006, 02:28:29 AM
I don't really understand the popularity of Family Guy. The jokes on it can be found on any other show.

It's not the jokes, it's the way the jokes are presented that make Family Guy different. They're quick cut-aways that have little to do with the show but still produce a laugh. Not many cartoons can do or even try doing that.

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"Bat Man"

*Takes a deep breath*

It's Batman! No space in the middle, no need to capitolise the M!

Sorry about that. Let the Batfan out of me there for a moment.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on August 04, 2006, 09:52:42 AM
Come to think of it, Superman doean't have a space either. Nor does Spider-man or Gamecube. But this is off-topic.

Anyone heard of Felix the Cat? I love him. I also got a crappy DVD of his movie, which had horrible animation quality and stuff, but I still love the movie.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: SushieBoy on August 04, 2006, 12:18:29 PM
Felix is cool too, TC.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: SolidShroom on August 04, 2006, 01:49:36 PM
Futurama is one of my favorite cartoons, because the jokes on it can be a little sick and stupid (like in Family Guy and South Park), but they mix in some really quiet jokes that you have to think about before you understand it. Some people miss Futurama's jokes totally, and I have to explain it to them.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperLuigi on August 04, 2006, 03:11:28 PM
South Park is more intelligent than both combined. If you fail to see that it's a personal problem.

I don't see how it's a "personal problem." It's my opinion. I have no problem with anyone liking South Park, it's just that I enjoy Family Guy more than SP.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: TEM on August 04, 2006, 09:21:54 PM
The "you" was the Universal You, not you you.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Blue Toad on August 05, 2006, 03:42:58 PM
I like Family Guy a lot, just because I find myself laughing really hard every single time I watch it.

Stewie:  "I say, look, Brian!  Brian, look at me!  I'm writing profanity on the wall!"
*Brian looks up from newspaper to see Stewie holding a crayon with the word 'Poppycock' written behind him*

Futurama is okay, it's just that I hate the main characters.  Fry is extremely annoying, and he's always being portrayed as the good guy.  He's not, really.  Bender runs on alcohol.  Enough said.
Though, I do like Dr. Zoidberg.  He sounds weird whenever he screams.

As far as South Park goes, I do find it funny in some cases.  The animation is a little cheap, but that's okay.  I like when Cartman says 'kitty' or 'mom'.  He just has this whiney little way of talking.

Cartman:  "Nooo, Kitty, they're my cheesey poofs!"
Kitty:  *meow*
Cartman:  "Nooooo, Kitty!"   
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on August 05, 2006, 09:37:32 PM
Anyone around here ever see 'Who Framed Roger Rabbit'? I think it's kick-arse.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperLuigi on August 05, 2006, 10:02:50 PM
Rodger Rabbit is freakin' awesome! It's a little older than some animated/live action movies, but it still tops them all.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on August 06, 2006, 09:42:10 AM
Indeed. I also liked Space Jam and Looney Toons: Back in Action.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: SushieBoy on August 06, 2006, 02:18:21 PM
space Jam is the best.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: coolkid on August 06, 2006, 04:16:53 PM
Zim is the empire of cartoons!
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: SushieBoy on August 06, 2006, 04:18:58 PM
I've seen better cartoons than Zim. :P
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on August 06, 2006, 04:33:45 PM
Animaniacs is the empire of cartoons.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: SushieBoy on August 06, 2006, 04:49:16 PM
Seen better, but I do admit, those are good.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on August 06, 2006, 04:57:45 PM
I also forgot to mention Tiny Toon Adventures, Freakazoid, and Hysteria.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperLuigi on August 06, 2006, 06:51:41 PM
I thought the King of Cartoons was the king of cartoons.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: SushieBoy on August 06, 2006, 08:48:48 PM
Walt Disney?
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperLuigi on August 06, 2006, 09:00:36 PM
The King of Cartoons from Pee-Wee's Playhouse. I'm sure someone can give you a link. I would, but....................I don't know how.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on August 07, 2006, 11:15:38 AM
Nah. That's about as dumb as Nicktoons Networks' claim to being "The Animation Capital of the World".
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: SolidShroom on August 07, 2006, 11:24:28 AM
Hey! I like that channel! They still show Ren and Stimpy, the old rugrats, and Rocko's Modern Life which is the best cartoon ever IMO.EVER! Still, all of the aformentioned cartoons were really good and remind me of my younger days. Nicktoon's Network isn't the cartoon capital of the world, but I like it nonetheless.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: coolkid on August 07, 2006, 01:35:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azoysfFKrcc will make you change your minds!
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on August 07, 2006, 03:48:31 PM
Hey! I like that channel! They still show Ren and Stimpy, the old rugrats, and Rocko's Modern Life which is the best cartoon ever IMO.EVER! Still, all of the aformentioned cartoons were really good and remind me of my younger days. Nicktoon's Network isn't the cartoon capital of the world, but I like it nonetheless.

I like the channel myself. I just thought that was a dumb tagline.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Jman on August 08, 2006, 01:10:03 PM
Animaniacs is the empire of cartoons.  It's like a cartoony version of Saturday Night Live.  Good Idea Bad idea was the best.  So was "Who's on Stage?"
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on August 08, 2006, 03:57:17 PM
The Goodfeathers and Slappy Squirrel are kick-awesome.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: SushieBoy on August 08, 2006, 03:58:40 PM
What about Pinky and brain? (forgive me if I get the names wrong)
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on August 08, 2006, 04:07:23 PM
That was so awesome, it spun off into it's own kick-awsome show.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: SushieBoy on August 08, 2006, 04:11:32 PM
Mabye you can assume that Animaniacs is the empire of cartoons.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Chupperson Weird on August 08, 2006, 11:27:33 PM
What in the hex does "the empire of cartoons" mean anyway? ?? ??? ???? ?????
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Vidgmchtr on August 09, 2006, 01:32:34 AM
Hmmmm....

*And so starts another episode of Vidgmchtr's Opinions Which Someone'll Definitely Argue Because They're Extremely Opinionated Themselves and Will Not Back Them Up with Anything Except "HEY I CAN HAVE MY OPINIONS TOO SHUT UP".*

The Simpsons:
It's funny, and I'll watch it if it's on and there's nothing else to do. Though, I agree with a lot of people, it's getting old, and 22 minutes of nothing but funny jokes turned into 10 minutes of funny jokes and 12 minutes of.....meh.

Family Guy:
This cartoon is awesome. I'm quite glad it was put back in production. Though, the 4th season hasn't been as funny as the previous ones (a lot of the jokes run long, to the point where it's not as funny as it is annoying). A favorite episode of mine in that season would be Jungle Love, in which Chris goes to South America as part of the Peace Corps to escape being a freshman at high school.

South Park:
I also like this cartoon quite a bit. Though it can get very vulgar at times, it does have the ability to make me laugh hysterically (just like The Simpsons and Family Guy). My all-time favorite episode of South Park is "Good Times with Weapons".

ZIM:
A great cartoon with an unfortunate premature death. If only Nickelodeon allowed Mr. Vasquez more freedom with it, it probably wouldn't be off the air. The dark, crazy humor is what makes me like this cartoon so much (I have the whole series on DVD). Probably my most favorite episode would be "The Frycook What Came From All That Space", or "Backseat Drivers from Beyond the Stars".

Rocko's Modern Life:
Another great cartoon that ended too early in its life. Nick seems to keep the crap, and cancel the good stuff (or annoy the creators into cancelling it themselves). A lot of the humor in it WAS very "mature", but so subtle that children would not be able to catch themselves.

Spongebob:
NO. NO NO NO. I'll say nothing more.

Ren & Stimpy:
Though in my opinion, not as great as ZIM or Rocko, but still very funny. I'm sure it'd be even funnier with the assistance of drugs. :D

The End.

ON THE NEXT EPISODE OF Vidgmchtr's Opinions Which Someone'll Definitely Argue Because They're Extremely Opinionated Themselves and Will Not Back Them Up with Anything Except "HEY I CAN HAVE MY OPINIONS TOO SHUT UP":

"No! He's NOT A KAPPA, NOR WAS HE BASED ON ONE!"
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: SolidShroom on August 09, 2006, 01:36:37 AM
Your cartoon habits are identical to mine. I shall not argue, and anyone that disagrees with you disagrees with me as well.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: SushieBoy on August 09, 2006, 12:09:06 PM
Hahah, Vid's lame attempt to start an arguement failed!!! I kinda with you two anyway, but you left out DB!
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr. Wiggles on August 09, 2006, 12:34:59 PM
What in the hex does "the empire of cartoons" mean anyway? ?? ??? ???? ?????

Exactly what I'm trying to figure out.

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"No! He's NOT A KAPPA, NOR WAS HE BASED ON ONE!"

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say Kappa Mikey?
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: SushieBoy on August 09, 2006, 12:46:31 PM
Nope, some people had an arguement on the General Mario Chat about if bowser is based on a Kappa, when he isn't.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Jman on August 09, 2006, 01:07:50 PM
Sometimes it makes me wonder if the people behind certain cartoons were on drugs when they came up with the idea for that show.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: SushieBoy on August 09, 2006, 01:13:48 PM
Please post an example.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperLuigi on August 09, 2006, 01:22:18 PM
Bobobo, for one. That show is obscenely stupid, and I hardly understand what's going on half the time. I guess the Japan version is better, but I've never seen it, so I'm making a raw guess.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Jman on August 09, 2006, 01:23:23 PM
I seem to recall a cartoon that I don't really like, but it was actually kind of a hit show for 4kids.  It's called "The Cramp Twins."  I hated it because it knocked one of my favorite shows off of the air.  Which is the same reason why I personally dislike the Power Rangers.



Call me erratic call me what you will.  Say I'm old fashioned, say I'm over the hill.  Today's music ain't got the same soul, I like that old time rock and roll.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on August 09, 2006, 01:54:57 PM
I seem to recall a cartoon that I don't really like, but it was actually kind of a hit show for 4kids.  It's called "The Cramp Twins."  I hated it because it knocked one of my favorite shows off of the air.  Which is the same reason why I personally dislike the Power Rangers.



Call me erratic call me what you will.  Say I'm old fashioned, say I'm over the hill.  Today's music ain't got the same soul, I like that old time rock and roll.

You're just like me Jman.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Blue Toad on August 09, 2006, 03:35:56 PM
Bobobo, for one. That show is obscenely stupid, and I hardly understand what's going on half the time. I guess the Japan version is better, but I've never seen it, so I'm making a raw guess.

lol, I know.  That show is hilarious just because it makes no sense whatsoever.  The characters stray away from the plotline so much in that show, and simply bend all the rules of sense, that you feel as though you're watching a show made by a four-year-old!  When I first saw it, I was expecting it to be a serious anime show.  I ended up laughing until I had a side ache.   
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: superstarMASIAH on August 09, 2006, 04:04:04 PM
One of my favorite cartoon was Captain Planet, man I loved to watch that show every morning before going to pre-k or kindergarten, whichever.  I always loved to say "The power is yours!" almost everywhere I went.  Goodtimes, I have a bunch more I used to watch, I'll post every other day.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: coolkid on August 09, 2006, 07:45:47 PM
Why doesn't anyone like Invader ZIM? It was awesome!
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperLuigi on August 09, 2006, 08:10:58 PM
Have you not been listening? At least three people have said that Invader Zim is or has been their favorite cartoon! Me being one of them.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: SushieBoy on August 09, 2006, 11:23:48 PM
Ummm, you can't actually listen to this, you read it. But anyone makes this mistake.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Vidgmchtr on August 10, 2006, 12:22:30 AM
Hahah, Vid's lame attempt to start an arguement failed!!! I kinda with you two anyway, but you left out DB!

If you think I was trying to start an argument, you're crazy. Seriously, no one can detect sarcasm anymore...

Anyway, more of my favorite stuff, this time, anime:

InuYasha: The first anime I watched that got me back into anime after Pokémon turned me off from it. Very nice animation style, and can be very funny at times.

Trigun: Another great series. Vash the Stampede is a light-hearted, comical pacifist who has a bounty on his head for something he didn't do himself.

Cowboy Bebop: Classic stuff. Very good music, very entertaining.

Detective Conan: 17 year old high school student/detective gets shrunken down to a pint-sized 6 year old and solves mysteries. Strange yet entertaining combo.

Lupin the 3rd: Even more classic than Bebop. Hayao Miyazaki even directed a few episodes. Awesome series.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: SushieBoy on August 10, 2006, 12:46:33 AM
What about DB????
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Vidgmchtr on August 10, 2006, 12:51:58 AM
Seriously, don't abbreviate stuff people might not be familiar with.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Chupperson Weird on August 11, 2006, 12:32:46 AM
Dragon Ball is not the end-all and be-all of anime.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Lizard Dude on August 11, 2006, 04:07:48 AM
But it's as cool/cooler than some of the stuff Vid mentioned.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: SushieBoy on August 11, 2006, 12:22:32 PM
Hey, I can abbreviate Dragon Ball now, just because everyone else knows about it...
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperLuigi on August 11, 2006, 01:57:35 PM
Ummm, you can't actually listen to this, you read it. But anyone makes this mistake.

WTD? What mistake?
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: SushieBoy on August 11, 2006, 07:54:18 PM
You can't hear someone's post on a forum, you can only read it. And you said "Have you not been listenting ?".
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Chupperson Weird on August 11, 2006, 10:40:59 PM
Listening, in a figurative sense, means paying attention.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Blue Toad on August 11, 2006, 11:00:37 PM
But, really, don't we all just like to be literal?

Anyone here know why Cartoon Network's slogan is "Yes."?  :p
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: SushieBoy on August 12, 2006, 12:24:51 AM
They have a slogan?
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Chupperson Weird on August 12, 2006, 01:17:31 AM
Literality is overused these days.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on August 12, 2006, 08:47:39 AM
Quote from: The Blue Toad link=topic=9640.msg442433#msg442433 date=1155358837
Anyone here know why Cartoon Network's slogan is "Yes."?  :p
[/quote

I never understod that. I miss their old slogans. :(
Pokemon has also been moved to Boomerang. :(
That means that Boomerang will go the route of Toon Disney. :(
Meaning that I'll never be able to see any more good cartoons on TV again. :(
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr. Wiggles on August 12, 2006, 03:49:40 PM
"Yes" comes from that elephant demon named Fred Fredburger from the Billy & Mandy special Keeper of the Reaper. It also comes from the imaginary friend Cheese from Foster's Home. Both also seem to be mentally retarded.

As for The Chef's little dilemma, that's what DVD sets were created for. Most of the good toons are already on DVD or making their way to it. The only thing you need to do now is find a job that pays well, since most of the sets seem to be in the range of 25 to 50 dollars.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Lizard Dude on August 13, 2006, 04:33:43 AM
I highly suggest you all read John K's explanation  (http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2006/08/what-is-cartoon.html)of what cartoons really are. Note that there are barely any today. Bimbo's Initiation in particular makes me want to weep when looking at the current stock of "cartoons".
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on August 13, 2006, 10:30:04 AM
That explanation was kick-awesome. It happens to be a topic that I was thinking of for quite a while.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr. Wiggles on August 13, 2006, 08:25:36 PM
It's too bad it comes from the guy who hasn't worked on anything in a long time and sounds so full of himself. Last I heard he's making money off selling cels of Ren & Stimpy on eBay.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on August 13, 2006, 08:55:03 PM
Either way, those are good standards for cartoons.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Lizard Dude on August 14, 2006, 03:26:59 AM
It's too bad it comes from the guy who hasn't worked on anything in a long time and sounds so full of himself. Last I heard he's making money off selling cels of Ren & Stimpy on eBay.

What are you talking about? He's working on stuff constantly. The Ren & Stimpy Lost Episodes (which just came out) are mostly new, he's pitching a brand new show (which you would know if you actually had read more of the blog, or anything about him), he's doing music videos for Weird Al and Tenacious D, he's setting up shows like the one in the post I linked, etc., etc.

And full of himself or not, he's right.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Chupperson Weird on August 14, 2006, 09:08:04 AM
He is most certainly right. Too bad I don't really enjoy a ton of "cartoons," apparently.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Jman on August 14, 2006, 06:06:27 PM
I just bought Volume 1 of the Animaniacs.  Ah, precious memories!  And it's so much funnier now that I can understand the cultural references.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: SolidShroom on August 14, 2006, 06:16:42 PM
I finally got the SMB:SS DVDs, but my computer DVD player stopped working, so I havent watched it yet.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Kojinka on August 14, 2006, 09:01:12 PM
I have those DVD's too.  I got them cause I'm a Nintendo junkie who was only 1 year old when the SMBSS and LoZ originally aired.

I love cartoons even to this day.  I love them so much that I can't list all of my personal favorites, but I can say that I grew up with "The Simpsons" and "Rocky and Bullwinkle."  Remember with some TV stations would air cartoons on weekday afternoons?  I sure remember sitting down to watch Digimon or Gargoyles, etc. after a long day of School.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: SushieBoy on August 14, 2006, 09:13:25 PM
I used to watch the original pokemon alot, I remember having a small book thing, you would buy pictures of pokemons, and pastes them in thier correct spots. I also remeber inside bags of chips, they used to be some sort of disk thing with pokemon on them, I had a HUGE collection of those, I still own some, you would play games with them and win others chips. I would explain the game if I remembered, that had a huge populariy everywhere.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Kojinka on August 15, 2006, 01:18:18 PM
I have a collection of the older Pokemon eps on VHS.  We don't get the WB where I live. :( Not that it matters now.  The newer seasons of the Pokemon anime really suck.  But I still love the seasons of the first few regions: Kanto, Orange Islands (despite Tracey's habbit of stating the obvious) and Johto (to a certain extent).  Oh, and I loved the first three movies.  I used to collect the trading cards too.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Robert on August 15, 2006, 05:55:31 PM
Who could forget Digimon? I loved that show as a kid. The ever changing, always interesting story was great. The digimon, themselves, were cool. The digi-world was so mysterious, wacky and awesome. That show was pure ownage!
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Kojinka on August 15, 2006, 09:14:11 PM
I loved the first two seasons, but the newer ones got confusing.  It felt like if you missed just one episode, you got completely lost.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Blue Toad on August 15, 2006, 10:26:16 PM
Pokemon: 2000 was awesome!  That one was the best of the movies by far. 
I have to say, even though the new shows are dumb, I still seem to enjoy the pokemon movies. 
However I haven't seen all of them.
If they've made one that doesn't star Misty as one of the major characters, I doubt I'd like it.   
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Kojinka on August 16, 2006, 08:56:06 AM
Then stay away from Jirachi: Wish Maker.  That was made after they made their biggest mistake; replacing Misty with May.  I haven't seen Destiny Deoxys, yet, but I'll bet it has May in it.  Ash/Misty forever!
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Jman on August 16, 2006, 09:26:03 AM
That's a new character?  I thought Misty just changed her style, or something.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Kojinka on August 16, 2006, 09:31:51 AM
Yes, it's a new character, and I don't like her.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Jman on August 16, 2006, 09:38:42 AM
One of my favorite "classic" episodes is the two-parter where the original group (Ash, Misty and Brock) and Team Rocket are trapped on the St. Anne.  Although I think it branches out into a three-parter because it ends on a cliffhanger.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Kojinka on August 16, 2006, 09:48:06 AM
If there is a third part, and that third part happens to be the episode I think it is, then it was left out of our shores because of James' artificial boobs.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: CoconutMikeNIke on August 16, 2006, 01:19:40 PM
No, that's not the third part.  The third is when the trainers and their pokemon are separated on an island full of huge pokemon.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: SushieBoy on August 16, 2006, 02:06:44 PM
Then they see a pikachu in the horizon, only to not be Ash's, then they go on the roller coaster thing. That is one of my favorites! I forgot they landed there, another of my favorites is where Ash and Pikachu have to fight the leader of a thunder gym and his RAICHU.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr. Wiggles on August 16, 2006, 04:39:35 PM
...I like May. Her contests are the only thing that keep me watching now and she isn't as annoying as Misty was.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Blue Toad on August 16, 2006, 07:55:42 PM
Oh yeah I loved the St. Anne ones!  Those were my favorite along with that Giant Pokemon Island episode.  Misty was too awesome to just throw away like that.  I'd much rather have her pulling Brock's ear than Max.   
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Jman on August 17, 2006, 10:31:00 PM
I stopped watching Pokemon years ago.  Can someone tell me why they canned Misty?
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: SushieBoy on August 17, 2006, 11:25:30 PM
I'm not shure, mabye they had to make room for new characters. I liked it when there was only 150 diffrent Pokemon, now It's to confusing and there are to much of them, like who many? One thousand??
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Jman on August 18, 2006, 08:42:10 AM
Yeah, give or take a few.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Robert on August 18, 2006, 10:31:20 AM
I stopped watching Pokemon years ago.  Can someone tell me why they canned Misty?

I think they replaced Misty because they wanted to make things interesting. They thought Misty was getting boring, so they replaced her with May. Stupid, I know. I've seen a few episodes and they still feature her from time to time.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on August 18, 2006, 01:38:24 PM
They replaced Misty with May to keep up with the times, duh. May is one of the characters from Ruby/Sapphire, which happens to be the very game that the season without Misty is based on, duh.

PS: I still haven't found that dang Animaniacs DVD.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Jman on August 18, 2006, 04:06:37 PM
Try looking at your local Wal-mart.  I found them there after I had no success finding them at Best Buy.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Chupperson Weird on August 20, 2006, 03:03:12 PM
Borders.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: coolkid on August 21, 2006, 03:18:03 PM
Back on topic. Weeklings is the 2nd best cartoon ever!
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on August 21, 2006, 04:25:05 PM
Never heard of it.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: coolkid on August 22, 2006, 05:27:24 PM
Go to http://weeklings.rtoons.net
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: SushieBoy on August 22, 2006, 08:29:14 PM
You don't tell me what to do.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Lizard Dude on August 23, 2006, 11:09:52 AM
Samurai Jack, now there is a great show.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on August 23, 2006, 11:12:42 AM
Thanks for reminding me. I nearly forgot about it.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Robert on August 23, 2006, 11:33:13 AM
Samurai Jack! Who could forget that show? It was a true triumph for cartoon network IMO. I liked the serious tone and a continuous story line. I wonder why CN cancelled the show?
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: coolkid on August 23, 2006, 03:27:30 PM
Read post #107.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperMario on August 23, 2006, 07:26:14 PM
Well, this thread certainly got off on the wrong foot.

To clear things up, I don't hate The Simpsons. I hate what it has become. I also hate the cheap shots the crew takes at Family Guy since they claim FG is a rip-off of the Simpsons. Wow, both of the dads are complete idiots? Both are about a family? What else can we find good sirs?

It's just jokes. In real life, however, the creators of both shows are really friendly to each other. Groening even said MacFarlane is a great guy that does great work.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Kojinka on August 24, 2006, 02:51:22 PM
Samurai Jack, now there is a great show.
Oh, my god!  How could I have nearly forgotten that?  That show was really awesome!
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: GiftedGirl on August 27, 2006, 11:22:34 AM
Spongebob:
NO. NO NO NO. I'll say nothing more.

You're a good person. :')

ANyways, now for my cartoon opinions. One of my favorite cartoon series of all time has to be "The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh". It's kid friendly and funny. Two things I like in a cartoon. Plus, the running gag of people falling down Gopher's holes just cracks me up. XD Another cartoon I liked when I was a kid was Muppet Babies, but I think I only saw like one episode of it(Baby Gonzo and Baby Piggy get sent to the future via a BLUE HOLE that Baby Gonzo created, not to be confused with a black hole.) I wanna find a DVD of Muppet Babies sooo bad. T_T

New cartoons I like include Winx Club(a cartoon about girls who go to a fairy school and learn magic), Viva Pinata(a new cartoon about talking pinatas[dur]) and Magical DoReMi(a cartoon about three 8-year-old witches-in-training). I absolutely CANNOT stand SpongeBob SquarePants or Bratz(A cartoon based off of a line of dolls?!! That's a worse idea then YuGiOh!)

And, of course, everyone knows that I like Homest*curtains close* Hey, I wasn't finished!
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on August 27, 2006, 02:14:01 PM
You just brought out my fond memories of watching Pooh and Muppet Babies as a youngun. I love those shows. It stinks that girls can get away with watching that stuff without ruining their reputation. If I were caught watching shows like that nowadays, I'd be laughed out of the room
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: GiftedGirl on August 27, 2006, 03:12:02 PM
I wouldn't laugh you out of the room. :)
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperLuigi on August 27, 2006, 03:19:11 PM
Spongebob is awesome. Don't diss the sponge.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: GiftedGirl on August 27, 2006, 03:27:55 PM
I'm not dissing SpongeBob, I'm saying I don't like him. There's a difference.

Dissing ~ "SpongeBob is stupid." or "LOLZ SPUNGBOB IS STOOPID LOLZ"

Stating dislike ~ "I absolutely CANNOT stand SpongeBob SquarePants..."

See? Difference.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperLuigi on August 27, 2006, 04:28:23 PM
Hey, it was just a joke! I wasn't actually getting angry at you for "dissing" him.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr. Wiggles on August 27, 2006, 04:55:07 PM
You just brought out my fond memories of watching Pooh and Muppet Babies as a youngun. I love those shows. It stinks that girls can get away with watching that stuff without ruining their reputation. If I were caught watching shows like that nowadays, I'd be laughed out of the room

And why would that matter to you? As long as you enjoy what you're watching you shouldn't be ashamed of it. Honestly, I have watched kiddie shows like Hamtaro and Arthur right in front of my friends and I have watched Sailor Moon, Cardcaptor Sakura and W.I.T.C.H. right in front of my parents. No one ever questions my masculinity either, which is all good with me.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on August 27, 2006, 05:57:25 PM
Ah well, I guess you're right Mr. Wiggles. I'd like to point out how much Bobby's World pwns.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Chupperson Weird on August 27, 2006, 06:13:49 PM
The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh was a good show.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperLuigi on August 27, 2006, 08:35:30 PM
Tigger is the best. He PWNS Rabbit.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on August 28, 2006, 09:58:01 AM
One thing I loved about The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh was the awesome characterization.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Blue Toad on August 28, 2006, 10:40:40 PM
You know, I could never figure out the sex of Rabbit.  -_-'
But, he's a guy, apparently.
Anyways, Winnie the Pooh was the one show that I watched as a kid, so, naturally, that cotton-brained bear is my favorite child icon.  I liked the episode where a huge rain storm came in and flooded the Hundred Acre Woods... and the one where Pooh got stuck in Rabbit's hole was pretty great too.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Jman on August 28, 2006, 11:42:08 PM
I have many fond memories of that show.  I both of the episodes you mentioned on video.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on August 29, 2006, 08:07:15 AM
You know, I could never figure out the sex of Rabbit.  -_-'.

Neither could my cousin. You can easily tell he's a guy because of his personality. He seems to be older than the other characters and is kind of a grouch. Yet at the same time he guides the other characters whenever they're stuck. Somewhat of a father figure.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: superstarMASIAH on August 29, 2006, 02:31:05 PM
GIJoe all the way, I love watching that on Action Blast! every morning, I think it is cobra, I'd rather be Cobra than GIJoe.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on August 29, 2006, 07:46:53 PM
Meh. The original GI Joe was the best.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: HolyAarom on August 29, 2006, 08:11:02 PM
Tom & Jerry, a true classic that is still airing on Cartoon Network. I loved that show since I was around 5. I still like it now because I don't remember any episode I watched.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on August 29, 2006, 08:39:12 PM
But Tom & Jerry isn't a show, it's a series of theatrical cartoons. Unless you were referring to Tom & Jerry Kids, which isn't as good as the classics.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr. Wiggles on August 30, 2006, 01:59:34 PM
Meh, Tom & Jerry Kids doesn't hold a candle to A Pup Named Scooby Doo, one of the few good Scooby Doo spin-offs. Then again, anything is better than Shaggy & Scooby Doo, Get a Clue.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Chupperson Weird on August 30, 2006, 06:43:53 PM
Neither could my cousin. You can easily tell he's a guy because of his personality. He seems to be older than the other characters and is kind of a grouch. Yet at the same time he guides the other characters whenever they're stuck. Somewhat of a father figure.

There's that, and there's also how they always refer to him with the pronoun "him".
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on August 30, 2006, 07:51:26 PM
Oops. Completely forgot that. >.>
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperMario on August 30, 2006, 09:11:11 PM
You know, I could never figure out the sex of Rabbit.  -_-'

Thank God I wasn't the only one. It was a time when I was afraid of being laughed at for not knowing something. Anyways, the dub of Magical DoReMi was worse than I thought, but thats just my opinion.

And Aarom, you do know there's gonna be a new Tom and Jerry cartoon ( Tom and Jerry Tales ) airing this Fall, right? You should probably check it out if you really like the show.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperMario on August 30, 2006, 09:19:06 PM
Meh, Tom & Jerry Kids doesn't hold a candle to A Pup Named Scooby Doo, one of the few good Scooby Doo spin-offs. Then again, anything is better than Shaggy & Scooby Doo, Get a Clue.

Sorry about the double post...

So true. I loved that show. The creators did a great job with the personalities of the characters, especially Fred.

But yeah, I gotta agree with you. It's confirmed the rest of the gang will make "guest appearances"....Whats with this? I really don't see them ( Shaggy and Scooby ) actually trying to solve mysteries without being forced to do it. And the plot is pretty awful. Last I checked, Shaggy never had a rich uncle. The plot just feels cliche. The animation is also very unimpressive, it looks like it's animated by Flash, and I don't like the dot eyes on Scooby.
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Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on August 31, 2006, 07:57:21 AM
What is this Scooby show you are speaking of? I've never heard of it.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Robert on August 31, 2006, 09:05:29 AM
It's on kids WB. The show is basically another Scooby Doo spinoff, except this time the creators tried to have more "action". In the one, Shaggy has a rich uncle who I think has a labratory.  The scooby snacks have nano-bots in them, which gave Scooby super powers. He must use his powers to protect the scooby snacks from the forces of evil. I've never seen it before, but it sounds pretty stupid.

And that brings me top another subject; People trying to revive the old cartoons into anime ripoffs that miss the entire show's original premise entirely. First it was the looney tunes, now Scooby Doo. What next? Micky Mouse & co.: Primed and ready?
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Jman on August 31, 2006, 10:28:06 AM
I can see it now:

Mickey: We've gotta do something before the evil robots destroy the world!  By the power of Walt Disney's magic pen, let's power up!

*shudder*  I could do without something like that.  Making an anime about Mickey Mouse, regardless of how much I like him, would be crossing the line.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Robert on August 31, 2006, 11:13:03 AM
I can see it now:

Mickey: We've gotta do something before the evil robots destroy the world!  By the power of Walt Disney's magic pen, let's power up!

Lol. How about this:

Mickey: Why did you join the dark side, Donald? Come forward to the side of good!

But what about kingdom hearts 1 & 2? I beleive mickey pulled a Yoda in KH2.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: superstarMASIAH on August 31, 2006, 12:05:06 PM
GI Joe v.s the nazis?
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr. Wiggles on August 31, 2006, 12:29:13 PM
Only if they're communist nazi ninjas.

Speaking of classic cartoons getting anime makeovers....

(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv259%2Fphantom6%2Fpeanuts1.jpg&hash=7905409c1a41a736fba094fc010f134d)

Make what you will of it, just be glad it's only fanart.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Blue Toad on August 31, 2006, 12:41:53 PM
Ew... what the crap did they do to Charlie Brown? 
But, anyways, whatever happened to Alvin and the Chipmunks?  I used to watch that show every morning.  :-(
Alvin, Simon... Theodore!
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Jman on August 31, 2006, 01:18:26 PM
Oh dear gosh, I will send the mother of all angry letters to any anime studio that touches "Peanuts."

If you want some Alvin and the chipmunks videos, go to youtube.  I have one up called "Sonic and the chipmunks."  It's (obviously) the Sonic X opening video with the Chipmunks theme song.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: superstarMASIAH on August 31, 2006, 01:37:22 PM
yeah, the peanuts anime is good, but just tacky.....
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on August 31, 2006, 02:28:49 PM
Only if they're communist nazi ninjas.

Speaking of classic cartoons getting anime makeovers....

(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv259%2Fphantom6%2Fpeanuts1.jpg&hash=7905409c1a41a736fba094fc010f134d)

Make what you will of it, just be glad it's only fanart.

That had better be fanart. I shall smite whoso ever dare lay a hand upon the greatness that is the work of Charles M. Shultz. (He's my idol ya know.)

But all this talk of anime-syled revivals of old toons has reminded me of Bleedman's Powerpuff Girls  comics.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: superstarMASIAH on August 31, 2006, 02:56:42 PM
He went to a good art school, I attended it for some years, then I went off on my own.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: GiftedGirl on August 31, 2006, 03:38:43 PM
I wouldn't mind an anime Muppets. Really, I wouldn't. *gets beaten by other Muppet fans*
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: superstarMASIAH on August 31, 2006, 04:20:29 PM
Heh?  That is impossible, utterly impossible...
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Jman on August 31, 2006, 04:30:27 PM
That had better be fanart. I shall smite whoso ever dare lay a hand upon the greatness that is the work of Charles M. Shultz. (He's my idol ya know.)

But all this talk of anime-syled revivals of old toons has reminded me of Bleedman's Powerpuff Girls  comics.

There are some things you just don't lay a hand on for anime.  Charles Schulz's greatest comic strip is one of them.  I am a huge fan of his work.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: superstarMASIAH on August 31, 2006, 07:41:21 PM
Wurd
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Kojinka on September 01, 2006, 06:15:26 PM
Garfield is another great cartoon that should never be made into anime.  As much as I love anime, it needs to stay far away from the classic cartoons we know and love.

I loved Hamtaro!  I don't care if it was kiddy.  It was a great anime.
When I was around 8 years old, I'd watch Arthur every day.
And I used to watch Digimon every weekday after I got home from school and every Saturday morning.
Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog (NOT Sonic X).  This was back when VG cartoons were all humor, and no anime rip-off.  Good times.
Remember Cartoon Cartoon Fridays back when Cartoon Network was the king of cartoon line-ups?  I miss those times.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Jman on September 01, 2006, 10:57:09 PM
Yeah, don't none of you anime studios get any ideas to rip off our most beloved toons with crappy versions of your own.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr. Wiggles on September 02, 2006, 01:03:19 AM
I doubt any anime studio execs are actually viewing this thread, and I doubt they're even trying to get the license to reimagine any classic american cartoons. Those images mostly come from untalented hacks at deviantArt who can't draw in any other style so they take an easy way out: Anime-ize an old cartoon to cover up for their lack of talent. Of course there are exceptions, like Bleedman.

If there is one cartoon I never want to see revived in a different style it's Beavis and Butt Head. Mike Judge got it right the first time and no one else should touch it.

Besides that, Powerpuff Girls Z isn't that bad. Sure they changed many elements around but anyone who wanted to see an exact replicant of the original PPG is blinded by bias.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on September 02, 2006, 08:54:49 AM
I've never seen that PPGZ before. What's it like?
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Kojinka on September 02, 2006, 09:45:41 AM
I've never seen PPGZ either, but I really hope Cartoon Network will dub it someday using some of the original voices.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr. Wiggles on September 02, 2006, 11:20:46 AM
Basically, it a self parody magical girl show with the PPG, though they are very different from their original selves. Blossom, Bubbles, and Buttercup are now their super hero codenames. Their real names are Momoko, Miyako, and Kaoru. They're now 13 years old instead of kindergartners and they're not sisters. Blossom's still the leader but she isn't as bossy and smart as the old Blossom. She's more boy crazy and has an addiction to candy. Bubbles is now the rational thinker, while Buttercup is mostly the same. Most of the villains also have different backgrounds and looks except for Fuzzy Lumpkins who's mostly the same. Professor Utonium, the Mayor, Ms. Bellum and Ms. Keane are also there.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Kojinka on September 02, 2006, 02:02:11 PM
I'm glad I haven't seen Bellum's face in any of the PPGZ screenshots.  They should NEVER shou Bellum's face cause that was a running gag from the original.

If you think about it, the original PPG kind of parodied the anime style.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Jman on September 02, 2006, 03:25:31 PM
Ah ys, the old "never seen his face" gag from Home Improvement, where they only showed parts of Wilson's face, or they'd show him from the back. 
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on September 02, 2006, 05:39:56 PM
Quote from: Kojinka link=topic=9640.msg444587#msg444587 date=1157227331
If you think about it, the original PPG kind of parodied the anime style.
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So did Dexter. That was McCracken and Tartakovsky's thing. There's also tons of references to all sorts of anime, action cartoons, sci-fi films and other such things.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Dark_Shark on September 02, 2006, 06:38:05 PM
Rocko's Modern Life and Angry Beavers PWNs.I love these 2 cartoons.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Kojinka on September 02, 2006, 08:07:53 PM


So did Dexter. That was McCracken and Tartakovsky's thing. There's also tons of references to all sorts of anime, action cartoons, sci-fi films and other such things.

Ah, yes.  Dexter's Laboratory was awesome.

As for PPG, I loved how they'd put some sort of Nintendo reference in. (The Mayor playing a game that STRONGLY resembled The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, in which he kept killing the 'Navi'.  O' great Mayor of Townsville, please give us your secret to killing Navi. XP)
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on September 03, 2006, 08:00:28 AM
I figured I'd up the ante a bit and put out a topic for us to post about: Underrated Cartoons.
Post which cartoons you think are underrated. The ones that are actually good but don't get the attention they deserve. It can be from the present day, or it can a cartoon that existed way back when but isn't remembered much anymore. Just be sure to state which of these it is.

For me:

My Life as a Teenage Robot (This is a show that was on nick a couple years back. It currently reruns on the Nicktoons Network. Obviously it wasn't popular enough because it didn't last as long as the other Nicktoons.)
I admit it. I like this one. Especially the art style. It's like half anime and half classic. Heck, there are even references to 30's cartoons sprinkled about. There was even a huge Mario reference in one particular episode. I also like the premise, which is about a world-saving robot that has the physical age of a high school student. Not bad, if I do say so myself.

Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperMario on September 03, 2006, 04:48:20 PM
I figured I'd up the ante a bit and put out a topic for us to post about: Underrated Cartoons.
Post which cartoons you think are underrated. The ones that are actually good but don't get the attention they deserve. It can be from the present day, or it can a cartoon that existed way back when but isn't remembered much anymore. Just be sure to state which of these it is.

For me:

My Life as a Teenage Robot (This is a show that was on nick a couple years back. It currently reruns on the Nicktoons Network. Obviously it wasn't popular enough because it didn't last as long as the other Nicktoons.)
I admit it. I like this one. Especially the art style. It's like half anime and half classic. Heck, there are even references to 30's cartoons sprinkled about. There was even a huge Mario reference in one particular episode. I also like the premise, which is about a world-saving robot that has the physical age of a high school student. Not bad, if I do say so myself.



You know a new season of that is coming, right? Just saying, in case you thought it was cancelled like I did.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on September 03, 2006, 05:00:22 PM
A new season!? Kewl!
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperMario on September 03, 2006, 05:30:35 PM
A new season!? Kewl!

Yup. Late 2006, 13 episodes. But unfortunetly, due to low ratings, there will be no fourth season. I'm sick of animated shows getting cancelled after only three seasons...
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on September 04, 2006, 08:23:10 AM
At least they don't get cancelled after only two, like the Saturday morning Sonic cartoon. But what other cartoons do you think are underrated?
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperLuigi on September 04, 2006, 08:30:31 AM
Well, it's not like Zim was underrated, but it isn't on anymore.


I think the Fairly Odd Parents is seriously overrated. I hate that show with a fiery passion.

Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on September 04, 2006, 08:37:00 AM
I dunno, I kinda liked FOP. But not as much as Jimmy Neutron, which was probably underrated.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr. Melee on September 04, 2006, 08:40:50 AM
I belive Invader ZIM was a very under-rated show. I actually enjoyed that hsow's humor, art style, and the theme: an alien trying to take over a world he doesn't understand and has no chance of doing so. It's very humorous, even the first episode. Most cartoons have a horrible first episode, mainly because it's the Pilot and meant to be experimental. The only other cartoon I can think of that had a rather good Pilot is Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends.

Jimmy Neutron is very creative, and not over-rated. However, as most cartoons, the newer episodes suck. And that really sucks.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperLuigi on September 04, 2006, 08:53:52 AM
Camp Lazlo had a terrible pilot, so much, in fact that I thought of never seeing it again. But as time went on, it just got funnier, so I'm still tunning in every time there's a new episode.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Kojinka on September 04, 2006, 09:59:34 AM
You want an underrated cartoon?  Time Squad was one of the greatest.  I actually had fun learning History.  It was also fun how they made fun of History.  Yeah, this show was bound to be underrated.

Also, Avatar: The Last Airbender.  This is a well-made attempt at Anime.  It has everything a good anime needs.  Yet, most of the Otaku I see on the Internet don't give it the recognition it deserves.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on September 04, 2006, 03:12:16 PM
Holy Crap!! You just reminded me of how kick-awesome Time Squad was!! How could I forget it!?
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperLuigi on September 04, 2006, 07:27:43 PM
Time Squad was great. It brings back memories of a kid, robot and cowboy traveling through time and kicking arse.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Kojinka on September 05, 2006, 08:34:50 AM
And we'd gradually learn more about those three characters.  Heh, I even made my own Time Squad character.  Can't remember her name, but she was a teen that grew up in Otto's era, and was sent to the Time Squad era to become a time spy for the force.  She would travel through time to spy on some evil genius, who was the cause of the history instability.  It was the duty of the time cops and their robot partners to correct the instability.  My character didn't have a robot partner.  She had a time traveling device on her wrist, which was similar to the watches on the Family Guy special where Stewie met his older self. (I think that's the Stewie Griffin Story)
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr. Melee on September 05, 2006, 05:08:30 PM
I've remembered perhaps one of the oddest and weirdest cartoons ever: Whatever Happened to Robot Jones? If most of you are like me (I doubt it), then you've probably forgot about this awkward cartoon. For a link, click here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whatever_Happened_to_Robot_Jones%3F). This show was very odd and different, and was never a success. Hmm, it's amazing how I still remembered it, almost as amazing as how it was on again not too long ago.

I don't really think Avatar is underrated. If people don't really like it, I don't know why. The humor's humorous, even in the newer episodes (thank goodness, a new cartoon with a humor), the writers are excellent, and the drawing style is fantastic. It is one of my favorites. I hope this cartoon stays on the air for a long time, hopefully longer that Spongebob.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on September 05, 2006, 07:43:16 PM
OMG!! Robot Jones!! I friggin love that show!! If only because of the countless 80's references!!
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: coolkid on September 06, 2006, 03:30:22 PM
Just incase you don't know it was canceled do to lack of support in the Season 2 eps.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on September 06, 2006, 03:32:48 PM
What was cancelled?
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: coolkid on September 06, 2006, 03:33:47 PM
Robot Jones
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on September 06, 2006, 03:36:21 PM
I know it was cancelled. I was just saying how much I loved it.  IT seems like all the underrated shows got cancelled because they were underrated.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: SolidShroom on September 06, 2006, 08:56:34 PM
Ah yes, it was a very neat show. Unfortunately the demand for cartoons that were "in the box" and normal like all of the other cartoons was really high, so awesome cartoons like Whatever happened to Robot Jones? that were out-of-the-box were totally skipped over. Sad isn't it?
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: coolkid on September 08, 2006, 04:20:35 PM
*sobs*
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on September 08, 2006, 07:02:24 PM
I just hope I can find those "out of the box" cartoons on DVD before the DVD format becomes obsolete.
Someday I hope to create my own "out of the box" cartoon. I constantly think up ideas for it every day and I really need to post the ones I drew.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: coolkid on September 11, 2006, 03:42:52 PM
Billy and Mandy is the Goriest yet second funniest cartoon ever!
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperLuigi on September 11, 2006, 04:08:23 PM
Second?


Lemme guess. Invader Zim?
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: coolkid on September 11, 2006, 04:16:13 PM
Yeppers! They both have kid humour.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperLuigi on September 11, 2006, 05:41:40 PM
Grim Adventures was funnier when the world was going through that "Harry Potter" phase. I think we had three *very* funny episodes with Harry Potter themes.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: coolkid on September 11, 2006, 06:16:28 PM
You mean "Grim and Evil"? Bah! Or maybe Nigel Planter? *Muffles I don't know.*
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Kojinka on September 11, 2006, 08:51:05 PM
I loved that cartoon back when it was "Grim and Evil."  Anyone remember how it was implied that Hector and Dr. Gastly had feelings for each other?  Hey, we even got to meet the son they'd have together. Uuuuuuhhhhhh????!!!!!  A human and a disembodied brain having a child together?!  Now THAT was messed up.  The kid MUST have been created in a test tube.  But in cartoons like that, you're laughing too much to ask questions.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: SolidShroom on September 12, 2006, 01:16:17 PM
Uhh, Kojinka, he used to be a full bodied human, until something tragic happened...
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Kojinka on September 12, 2006, 03:45:32 PM
I knew that!  But the feelings between them weren't implied till AFTER his body exploded.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: coolkid on September 12, 2006, 04:41:08 PM
Maybe she had feelings for him because he needed sympothy? Oh,and Evil had it's own show called Evil Con Carne that aired from 2003 to 2005.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on September 12, 2006, 07:51:58 PM
The show ended in an episode of GAoB&M where Skarr moves in next door to Billy.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Kojinka on September 13, 2006, 06:37:12 AM
I think the reason for her feelings for Hector may have been something more.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperMario on September 13, 2006, 09:48:53 PM
Jimmy Neutron is very creative, and not over-rated. However, as most cartoons, the newer episodes suck. And that really sucks.

I beg to differ. The earlier episodes of Jimmy Neutron made me REALLY bored, but it improved by Season 3. The Season 3 episodes were better in the sense that they focused more on Jimmy and his friends' adventures, but they made it even better by adding Cindy and Libby to the mix, which also helped to make it funnier, IMO. I was always kind of bored with the whole Jimmy, Carl, Sheen group. Also, the newer episodes gave us some great Jimmy/Cindy hints, especially in the unaired Lady Sings The News ep.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on September 14, 2006, 03:53:20 PM
Why was it unaired?
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: coolkid on September 14, 2006, 04:58:55 PM
It might be adult content except they forgot it was a kid show so they must have acsidently put adult content.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on September 14, 2006, 06:52:32 PM
How the heck could you "accidently" put adult content in a kid's show? They do that all the time and it's usually able to get by (but in the case of Nick, the show gets cancelled after 1-2 seasons).
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperMario on September 14, 2006, 06:56:30 PM
No adult content in this. It's a friggin' kids show...

But, this was just Nick being stupid. It aired in the UK, just that Nick just wanted both Jimmy Neutron and Fairly Odd Parents to end on the same day, even those both have at least one unaired episodes that aired in the UK. Why did'nt Nick promote the series finale of both shows even more by showing the unaired eps? Nick seriously treats some of their best shows like crap, except for Spongbob of cource. :\
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on September 14, 2006, 06:59:55 PM
The problem with Spongebob is the fact that they had an ass-load of episodes already made but they saved them for after the movie came out.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperMario on September 14, 2006, 07:31:40 PM
It's possible it just took Stephen a long time to get back on the show after basically concluding the series. He has chosen to make new eps set before the movie, because that's Spongbob. I can't imagine how boring it would be to see him running a restaurant. The movie ended the series basically, but the episodes of the TV show should stay the same.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on September 15, 2006, 02:31:41 PM
How'd it end the series? (I didn't see it. Shame on me.)
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperMario on September 15, 2006, 03:03:25 PM
By showing Plankton putting his final plan into play, and the introduction of the Krusty Krab 2, which Spongebob ends up being a manager of at the end of the movie. It's even been confirmed by Stephen.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr. Wiggles on September 16, 2006, 03:24:55 AM
Well, Avatar: Secret of the Fire Nation just aired over here (actually it's been like 5 hours already) and I felt like giving my thoughts on it here.

Let me start by saying the title is really misleading. All they had was a gigantic drill to penetrate the walls of Ba Sing Se. Not much of a secret there. I was expecting more of Iroh's past or something related to the attack from the past.

The Serpeants Pass
+ Suki and Jet returned, even if for a short while.
+ Toph had her moments, especially a kiss she accidently gave to Suki after she rescued her.
+ I REALLY wasn't expecting a birth scene near the end of the episode. They didn't show anything explicit but still...
+ Aang unable to convince the passport lady to get on the ferry + the fake avatars + Toph basically given the tickets = Best scene ever.
+ Aang's Gang attacked by... Rayquaza!
- Emo Aang. It only lasted for this episode but still, he was really annoying.
- Toph/Sokka hints. I don't dig this shipping, and I doubt I ever will. Toph is too cool of a character to just suddenly start falling in love.
- Not enough Zuko.
- No appearance by Ozai's Angels, but they make up for it in the second part.

The Drill
+ Ozai's angels, but most importantly...
+ Ty Lee!!!
+ The fight scenes were really well done in this episode, especially Aang and Azula.
+ Aang giving homage to Fantastic Four by turning his hand into rock, resembling the fist of Ben Grimm.
+ Sokka is a huge pimp apparantly. Suki, Princess Sue, Toph and Ty Lee. What a terrible choice this guy will ultimatly have to make in the end.
+ Jet finds out Zuko and Iroh are Firebenders. Oooh, friction...
+ Surprisingly, the cliche/ignorant dumb general was highly amusing in this episode, despite being annoying on all other episodes. Maybe it's just because this episode was made of ten kinds of awesomeness.
+ Toph proved her valuableness again by sneaking them into the drill, while the L33T Earthbenders got pwned by a dancing circus girl  (;D) and a bored man-chick (:-\).
- Mai did absolutely nothing in the episode besides beat up a few soldiers.
- Again, the drill was not much of a secret and thus, a letdown.
- Not enough Ty Lee

Overall, it was great with only a few flaws. Also, I'm glad to hear it'll start airing weekdays starting Monday though it won't really matter to me since I'll be getting the Book 1 set by then.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Nintendo Bros. on September 17, 2006, 09:12:43 AM
Avatar is so lame, in fact, I'm glad they tore down the Nicleodeon Studios, so now Nick will maybe go out of buisness! HA HA HA!
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Jman on September 17, 2006, 09:15:45 AM
Oh boy, here we go again.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Nintendo Bros. on September 17, 2006, 09:18:00 AM
My Father always told me to speak out everything that comes to mind. And there you have it.


MUST...KILL...BUTCH HARTMAN!
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Chupperson Weird on September 17, 2006, 10:56:36 AM
That isn't very good advice.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Lizard Dude on September 17, 2006, 10:59:48 AM
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2Fthumb%2F4%2F4a%2FButch_Hartman.jpg%2F150px-Butch_Hartman.jpg&hash=5a33d2c328e944e810325e3dedf09808)
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on September 17, 2006, 03:38:33 PM
My Father always told me to speak out everything that comes to mind. And there you have it.


MUST...KILL...BUTCH HARTMAN!

Butch Hartman also created Jhonny Bravo, which was pretty good. You don't know jack squat about what makes an animated feature good.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: GiftedGirl on September 17, 2006, 04:52:47 PM
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2Fthumb%2F4%2F4a%2FButch_Hartman.jpg%2F150px-Butch_Hartman.jpg&hash=5a33d2c328e944e810325e3dedf09808)

Who is that?
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperMario on September 17, 2006, 05:29:27 PM
Butch Hartman, creator of The Fairly OddParents and Danny Phantom.

" Butch Hartman also created Jhonny Bravo, which was pretty good. You don't know jack squat about what makes an animated feature good. "

Uh, no he did'nt....
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: GiftedGirl on September 17, 2006, 05:37:09 PM
... I thought that guy looked familiar.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: coolkid on September 17, 2006, 06:29:19 PM
If Avatar:Secret Of The Fire Nation has lots of romance then action cartoons are falling apart because Teen Titans:Trouble In Tokyo has lots of romance.   
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on September 17, 2006, 06:45:46 PM
Butch Hartman, creator of The Fairly OddParents and Danny Phantom.

" Butch Hartman also created Jhonny Bravo, which was pretty good. You don't know jack squat about what makes an animated feature good. "

Uh, no he did'nt....

I meant to say he wrote and directed, not create. Seth MacFarlane wrote and directed some of it too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Bravo
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr. Wiggles on September 17, 2006, 10:31:55 PM
If Avatar:Secret Of The Fire Nation has lots of romance then action cartoons are falling apart because Teen Titans:Trouble In Tokyo has lots of romance.   

...Did you even watch either of them? Avatar had like, a few intimate moments between Sokka and Suki, but the rest were just little hints (Toph kissing Suki by accident thinking it was Sokka) or little flirts (Ty Lee acknowledging Sokka and Sokka waving back).

Trouble in Tokyo only had the Starfire/Robin subplot, but it didn't get in the way of the plot, nor did it make the action scenes less awesome.

Besides, I don't think there's any rule that prevents a little romance from action shows. In a way, it makes them more interesting.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Kojinka on September 18, 2006, 08:41:13 PM
*sigh* Hoh boy.  Consider yourself lucky that I can keep my rabid side in check, NB.  If my cousin read that, you'd be dead right on the spot.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: coolkid on September 19, 2006, 03:44:46 PM
Anime Lover! It's an ACTION CARTOON!
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on September 19, 2006, 05:11:30 PM
Anime Lover! It's an ACTION CARTOON!

Actually it's an "Amerime". ;)
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: coolkid on September 20, 2006, 03:09:09 PM
Ha ha, very funny!
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on September 20, 2006, 07:35:15 PM
I wasn't trying to be funny. That really is the type of show it's called.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr. Wiggles on September 21, 2006, 12:23:57 PM
Who actually calls it that? Everywhere I go, the preferred term is "Americanime".
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: coolkid on September 21, 2006, 03:01:56 PM
My apinions:
Spongebob:None of the jokes are funny but I can't take my eyes of the screen




Fairly Odd Parents:Same as Spongebob except SOME of the jokes are actually funny





Invader ZIM:Nowadays, it is my SECOND favorite cartoon, however, I still love the cartoon(espeually the episode Misterious Misteries)





Billy and Mandy:Best. Cartoon. Ever.





Fosters:Same as Spongebob





Squirl Boy:It's mildly entertaining but thier are barly and good jokes although the episode Out Of Sight is hillarious





Ed Edd 'n' Eddy:It used to be really funny but it's going down the pooper FAST

and thats all so far.






Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on September 21, 2006, 04:26:59 PM
Who actually calls it that? Everywhere I go, the preferred term is "Americanime".

Really? I've never heard that before.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Kojinka on September 21, 2006, 07:10:07 PM
Either way, it follows the guidelines that anime needs in order to be great.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Nintendo Bros. on September 23, 2006, 07:43:36 PM
Lol, Anime. Lol, dumb.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Vidgmchtr on September 23, 2006, 07:46:25 PM
Lol, Nintendo Bros.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Nintendo Bros. on September 23, 2006, 07:51:13 PM
Lol, I'm glad someone sees it my way. Lol, Thanx.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Nintendo Bros. on September 23, 2006, 08:04:45 PM
YES!!! On Wiki, I've read that Futurama is coming back on the air! Only it will be on Comedy Central now. But unfortunetly, you have to wait until 2008.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperLuigi on September 23, 2006, 08:10:47 PM
Lol, Anime. Lol, dumb.

It's hard to take you seriously when your post looks like that. If you're gonna call anime dumb, at least TRY and not make yourself look stupid.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Kojinka on September 23, 2006, 08:13:32 PM
Lol, I believe Vid was laughing at you, not with you, my double posting friend. :P
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris on September 23, 2006, 08:16:45 PM
I have to say with complete honesty and no bias that the Super Mario Bros. Super Show really is my favorite cartoon of all time. I watched it as often as I could as a kid, and could never get enough. The other two Mario toons were nice, but they lacked that special something the SMBSS had.

I've also spent many a weekday afternoon watching Inspector Gadget.

As anime goes, I find myself a fan of Lupin III and Case Closed in particular.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Kojinka on September 23, 2006, 08:24:43 PM
Yeah, but you gotta love the Koopalings.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperMario on September 23, 2006, 10:41:26 PM
YES!!! On Wiki, I've read that Futurama is coming back on the air! Only it will be on Comedy Central now. But unfortunetly, you have to wait until 2008.

Dude, you're months late. When Futurama comes, Adult Swim's contract on the show will be expired, and they can't even air the old eps anymore, which is really sad, given that Futurama has found a home in [as].
I also wish you would'nt trash anime fans while making yourself look like a complete retard at the same time.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris on September 23, 2006, 11:17:12 PM
Quote
Yeah, but you gotta love the Koopalings.

True. But the overall feel of SMBSS felt more... "Mario."

TAOSMB3 domesticated Bowser a little too much. I like the Koopa Kids, but it felt like they really took a lot of King Koopa's spotlight. The SMW cartoon had cave people, and this makes me very sad. 
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on September 24, 2006, 07:58:42 AM
Is there anyone besides me who firggin' loved the Donkey Kong Country TV Show? I know the characters looked kind off-model and the songs (yes it had Disney-style singing in it) were bothersome, but some of the character's personalities were spot-on (especially King K.Rool and his cronies) and it actually added a half-way decent plot to a game that had next to nothing for a plot. Heck, it may done horribly here in America, but in Japan and Europe, it went pretty well-recieved. Have a look:

Japanese merchandise:
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/nom/0002/03/page1.html#010203

Japanese Trading Card Game:
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n09/don_card/card/standard/chara/index.html

I wish they put out some of this stuff in America, but sadly, the show's existance was eclipsed by the then-super-popular Pokemon. Funny how one video game TV show was more popular than another, even though both of them were from the same company. In fact, the show's popularity overseas caused Rare to use a few concepts from the show in their next game, DK64 (such as Cranky making potons, Crystal Cocouts, K.Rool's minions being idiots), sorta like what was done with Pokemon Yellow.

Now if only they'd release the show on DVD......
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris on September 24, 2006, 08:20:41 AM
Totally forgot that.

Yes, I miss the DKC series terribly, and I wish I could find episodes.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Robert on September 24, 2006, 10:04:17 AM
Oh yeah. I remember watching DKC when I was younger. It was a neat little show. I liked it. I don't remember much of it, though. The most I can remember was the episode where the Kongs found a treasure map that said there was treasure in the mines, so the Kongs went to look for it. I remember when DK admited that he drew the map with his friends when he was younger.

Another episode I remembered was when DK entered a bizzare alternite uiniverse where the Kongs (lead by Diddy) were evil amd the kremlings were good. Instead of the crystal coconut, the two partys were fighting for the "paper-mache leaf" if I remember correctly. I think DK solved the problem by showing them the Cyrstal Coconut.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Kojinka on September 24, 2006, 12:06:46 PM
The DKC cartoons may be the only VG cartoon other than the Supercade and Captain N that I have never seen.  I've seen episodes of all three Mario cartoons, The Legend of Zelda, Pokemon, both Sonic cartoons, Pac Man, and Kirby.  There may be a few that I may have overlooked or have never heard of.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris on September 24, 2006, 12:15:11 PM
Both Sonic cartoons? There were actually five total.

Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog (Zany slapstick, had the robots Scratch and Grounder)
Sonic the Hedgehog (Serious weird plot about Robotnik roboticizing people)
Sonic Underground (Same as above, but Robotnik was more laid back, and Sonic fought him with music. Weird show.)
Sonic the Hedgehog: The Movie(2-episode OVA in Japan, was released on VHS/DVD here)
And then there was that Sonic X. Plagued by kiddy sidekick syndrome to the max. At least Dr. Eggman was awesome.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr. Wiggles on September 24, 2006, 12:19:03 PM
We're talking about Lord Harry now? Well, I hated the character designs, the lack of Kiddy Kong and the lack of Pirate/Sci-Fi themes like in DKC2 and 3 but it was entertaining.

Lol, Anime. Lol, dumb.

Please, if you're going to keep bashing anime, at least give reasons why you dislike it so much.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Chris on September 24, 2006, 01:43:33 PM
DKC didn't lack pirates actually- They just weren't K. Rool's. Kaptain Skurvy played the part of a minor recurring villain, and was piratey as they come.

As for anime, I don't think it can be called good or bad. That's like saying "cartoons" are dumb. Some are good, some aren't. It's better to judge on an individual basis than to slam an entire country's selection of cartoons.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Jman on September 24, 2006, 02:47:07 PM
That was a good show.  I remember watching some episodes of it.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Vidgmchtr on September 24, 2006, 04:50:00 PM
Lol, I believe Vid was laughing at you, not with you, my double posting friend. :P

Correct, sir.

Really, Nintendo Bros., if you want to bash something which is looked upon as really cool by a lot of the respected members here, at least do it without looking like a buffoon (though, you've proven to me a handful of times that that is impossible for you).

So, if you can't say anything nice about anime (or back up any of your opinions about it), shaddup. :D
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr. Wiggles on September 24, 2006, 04:51:06 PM
As for anime, I don't think it can be called good or bad. That's like saying "cartoons" are dumb. Some are good, some aren't. It's better to judge on an individual basis than to slam an entire country's selection of cartoons.

Unfortunatly, not everyone thinks like this. There are groups of people who judge an entire genre rather than individual series. Nintendo Bros happens to be in that group.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Chupperson Weird on September 24, 2006, 10:51:26 PM
You can't even call anime a single genre. There are many different types. You have to consider the fact that there are really good anime series, pretty good series, okay ones, not too great ones, and pretty bad ones. Just like anything else.
Nintendo Bros. fails to consider this and instead judges the whole of anime based on certain visual similarities that most, and not even all, series share.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Kojinka on September 25, 2006, 03:09:26 PM
Correct, sir.
Ma'am to be more precise, since I'm a female. :)
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: coolkid on September 25, 2006, 03:32:36 PM
Anime stinks.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr. Wiggles on September 25, 2006, 04:04:18 PM
Anime stinks.

And to quote myself because I'm both egotistical and wise:

Please, if you're going to keep bashing anime, at least give reasons why you dislike it so much.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: coolkid on September 25, 2006, 05:03:08 PM
Too over-dramatic.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Vidgmchtr on September 25, 2006, 05:40:00 PM
Too over-dramatic.

Chup just went over the fact that not all anime are of the same "genre" and that there are many different ones. A lot of anime shows (and I seriously mean A LOT, I'd think only about 20-30% of the anime created in Japan actually gets licensed in the U.S. to be dubbed) that don't get dubbed here don't have that "over-dramatic"ness that you seem to think they have. Some (lots, actually) aren't dramatic. Many genres of anime exist, it is a very vast genre (which I hesitate to call anime) with many sub-genres.

Ma'am to be more precise, since I'm a female. :)

My apologies. :P
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on September 25, 2006, 05:53:59 PM
Too over-dramatic.

You, my friend, have not seen Bo-BoBo Bo-BoBoBo. ;)
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: coolkid on September 25, 2006, 06:26:12 PM
I.E. Poket Monsters, Dragon Ball Z&GT Naruto.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Chupperson Weird on September 25, 2006, 07:30:58 PM
I.E. the cream of the mutilated, butchered shows. Seriously, people (even a lot of "anime fans") don't understand that the term "anime" is incredibly broad. Think of it like we use the term "cartoons". In essence, it's like saying all cartoon shows are the same thing. Of course, everyone knows that isn't true. So why would it be true for another country's output of animation?
Also, there's nothing wrong with a show being "dramatic" (in some cases, I'd say there's nothing wrong with being overdramatic either). It's just usually the result of bad directing or bad voice acting on the part of the English dub team. There are some shows with beautiful English dubs.

Regarding Vid's comment, I'd say 20% is a high estimate. There's tons of anime that never makes it to America.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: coolkid on September 25, 2006, 07:32:48 PM
You, my friend, have not seen Bo-BoBo Bo-BoBoBo. ;)
What did you mean?
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: CrzyFlmngMnkyHead on September 25, 2006, 07:44:08 PM
You havn't heard of Bo-BoBo Bo-BoBoBo? It's the most random/funny thing ever.
I remember seeing an episode where the main character (Bo-BoBo Bo-BoBoBo) walks into a evil castle and there's a beach party inside.
LOL
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Jman on September 26, 2006, 02:17:42 PM
Ha, that sounds like a novelty song.

Bo Bo Bo, b-b-b-b-b-b bo bo bo, bobobo, b-b-b-b-b-bobobo...

Yeah I know, my song is a terrible, uninspired piece of crap.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on September 26, 2006, 04:12:38 PM
What I like a bout the US dub of Bo-BoBo is that sometimes it makes fun of the fact that it's a translation of a Japanese show. But Lizard Dude said that the Japan one was better.

I.E. the cream of the mutilated, butchered shows. Seriously, people (even a lot of "anime fans") don't understand that the term "anime" is incredibly broad. Think of it like we use the term "cartoons".

It is because of that that I am starting to decline from using the term "anime" to refer to Japanese cartoons, seeing is how it's basically a slang term. In fact, "anime" is really the word that the Japanese use to refer to anything animated. Same thing goes for "manga" (which is for comics) and "mecha" (which is for anything mechanical).
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperLuigi on September 26, 2006, 04:18:28 PM
I.E. Poket Monsters, Dragon Ball Z&GT Naruto.

Uhhhhhh..........

Mabey if you watched the Japan version, you'd understand. Naruto and dubbed Naruto are so different it's not even funny.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Nintendo Bros. on October 01, 2006, 01:20:51 PM
Okay, I hate anime beacuse it's my OPINION and it's gay to me.

And Vid, why don't you shut up beacuse its my OPINION. Keyword there, fella.
:P
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Kojinka on October 01, 2006, 01:36:18 PM
The way you state your opinion makes you look foolish
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: superstarMASIAH on October 01, 2006, 01:55:21 PM
Why not just say Japanamation?
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: HolyAarom on October 01, 2006, 02:42:20 PM
Okay, I hate anime beacuse it's my OPINION and it's gay to me.

And Vid, why don't you shut up beacuse its my OPINION. Keyword there, fella.
:P

Why is it your opinion? That's the worst way to back up what you say.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperLuigi on October 01, 2006, 02:43:56 PM
Okay, I hate anime beacuse it's my OPINION and it's gay to me.

And Vid, why don't you shut up beacuse its my OPINION. Keyword there, fella.
:P

No, I think there are plenty of anime characters that are heterosexual. Using "gay" to explain something really makes you look stupid.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Dark_Shark on October 01, 2006, 02:46:37 PM
I like certain anime shows such as Dragonball Z,Kirby Right Back at ya and a few others that I can't remeber right now.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: HolyAarom on October 01, 2006, 02:48:25 PM
I never mentioned my favorite shows. I like watching anime most of the time. Especially Naruto and Bleach.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: GiftedGirl on October 01, 2006, 07:38:57 PM
I like certain anime shows such as Dragonball Z,Kirby Right Back at ya and a few others that I can't remeber right now.

Hey, I like the Kirby anime, too! :D
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Robert on October 01, 2006, 08:29:16 PM
I like certain anime shows such as Dragonball Z,Kirby Right Back at ya and a few others that I can't remeber right now.
`

Hey, I like the Kirby anime, too! :D

As do I. Back when it was first annouced, I was very excited about it because I was a huge Kirby fan (and I still am, too). When I finally saw it sometime during the September of '02, I was all, "WTD is this!? This isn't Kirby!" I still watched it though, and as I matured, I grew a liking to the series' different style and departure from the game's story.

Recently, 4K!ds dubbed some of the never-before seen episodes. I saw one. It was the episode where Dedede and Bun (Tuff) get cavaties. I liked it.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on October 01, 2006, 08:31:19 PM
I dunno, the lack of music from the games (which was present in the Japan version), Kirby no longer having the ability to speak english (also in the Japan version), King DeDeDe being more of a bad guy than he was in the games, and Metaknight's Spanish accent kinda killed it for me.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Dark_Shark on October 02, 2006, 06:08:57 AM
I don't like the Kirby anime SO much.I've actually started like these shows less.

I don't watch Kirby RBAY that much.Same thing with Dragonball Z.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Chupperson Weird on October 02, 2006, 05:58:23 PM
Kirby speaks English in the Japanese version? I would have expected Japanese, if anything. (Apparently, he only speaks very rudimentary Japanese in the anime.)

I feel that Nintendo Bros.' opinion is the first one which I can without any bad feelings say is very stupid. Especially since he gives no reason for it and acts stupid.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Vidgmchtr on October 02, 2006, 06:17:37 PM
it's gay to me.
Okay, now you're doing that just to spite me, aren't you? I told you to stop using that word in that way once upon a time, yet you CONTINUE to use it that way. Stop it! There are plenty of better words you can use to express disgust for something.

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And Vid, why don't you shut up beacuse its my OPINION. Keyword there, fella. :P
Nah. This is a forum, opinions are going to be argued. If you don't want your opinion to be argued, DON'T COME HERE. :)

I find the way you express your "opinions" to be idiotic, and I argue them because I cannot respect yours, because you cannot respect mine. :D
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Bigluigifan1.0 on October 02, 2006, 06:50:09 PM
Okay, I hate anime beacuse it's my OPINION and it's gay to me.
I don't see how all of that specific subject appears to you as homosexual because that's such a broad subject, and I really disagree because it's completly untrue and you only use "gay" as an a way to make it sound bad though it would e easier to simply say you don't like it because you dislike something, so just say what you don't like about it and find a better word to describe why you hate it.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: SolidShroom on October 02, 2006, 06:58:59 PM
Okay, I hate anime beacuse it's my OPINION and it's gay to me.
If we're using sexual orientation to represent our feelings for things, my opinion is that anime is totally straight.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperLuigi on October 02, 2006, 07:06:19 PM
It's not that I hate Nintendo Bros. or anything, it's just his opinions and comments really do sound stupid. I think if he gave a valid reason, I'd agree with him, but so far, all he has been able to do is explain how "gay" it is.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Vidgmchtr on October 02, 2006, 09:32:11 PM
It's funny, he attacks our opinions, but when we attack his, he goes all "HEY IT'S MY OPINION SHUT UP".

Quite a baby, if I ever saw one.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: CreamCat on October 02, 2006, 09:32:56 PM
it's gay to me.
I fail to see how Japenese animation is homosexual.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Robert on October 03, 2006, 05:56:06 AM
Okay, I hate anime beacuse it's my OPINION and it's gay to me.

Could you explain how you think anime is gay? I, personally, wouldn't ever call something "gay" (I'd call it "stupid"), but I'll make an exception for you if you elaborate on how you think anime is "gay". Here's an example:

Quote from: Some Person
I dislike anime because *reason for disliking anime goes here*

In the modern world, you're not going to get very far in life if all you say to back up your opinion is, "Hey, it's my opinion. Don't argue with it!"

I'm just saying whenever you state an opinion, to explain your reasoning for it right afterward.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: GiftedGirl on October 03, 2006, 03:22:45 PM
There's this new cartoon on, Viva Pinata, it's probably one of the greatest cartoons since the Pokemon anime. :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viva_Pi%C3%B1ata_%28TV_series%29
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Chupperson Weird on October 03, 2006, 04:17:25 PM
And GiftedGirl manages to bring all of what we were saying to a screeching halt.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Vidgmchtr on October 03, 2006, 04:34:11 PM
Meh, I've grown to respect GiftedGirl a bit more than some of the newer people I've encountered here.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr. Wiggles on October 03, 2006, 06:39:11 PM
Well, it's better than to argue with Nintendo Bros. who'll probably never give us a real answer and is getting more attention than he deserves.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Jman on October 03, 2006, 10:21:42 PM
I wonder if SNL ever spoofed any popular cartoon or videogame? 
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Kojinka on October 04, 2006, 06:29:29 AM
If they haven't, they should.  I'd love to see SNL spoof something like Mario.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Nintendo Bros. on October 05, 2006, 01:37:03 PM
Well, it's better than to argue with Nintendo Bros. who'll probably never give us a real answer and is getting more attention than he deserves.

I'll never tell you...MWA HA HA...Fine, I will. This is my OPINION about anime. I don't like beacuse it's so annoying. They never make any good animes. The only good animes I like is maybe Shin-Chan and Bleach but that's it. The problem is...maybe 90% of anime isn't funny or cool enough. Now if a anime was like Family Guy or Robot Chicken, then I would like it.

Now I apolgize to Vid and any anime lovers.

Does that clear things up :/?
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on October 05, 2006, 03:23:37 PM
I think the problem is that they don't release enough animes in the US. Just imagine if ever Japanese cartoon ever concieved was sent here....
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Kojinka on October 05, 2006, 05:33:28 PM
Have you noticed that most anime that gets brought here practically get spit on by the dubbers?  There are some good dubs out there, but crappy outnumber the good, sadly.  I'm glaring at companies, like 4Kids, for trashing good anime to make them more 'kid friendly'!  I understand their intentions for protecting the younger audience, but that's the problem right there.  The dubs wouldn't be trashed as badly if they aren't dubbed by studios that focus on the younger viewers and the younger viewers alone.   There should be more than one version of dubs: one version would be the cencored, sometimes trashed stuff you see on Saturday mornings, and the other version would be an untainted version for older fans that would air on stuff like Adult Swim
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr. Wiggles on October 05, 2006, 07:05:43 PM
I'll never tell you...MWA HA HA...Fine, I will. This is my OPINION about anime. I don't like beacuse it's so annoying. They never make any good animes. The only good animes I like is maybe Shin-Chan and Bleach but that's it. The problem is...maybe 90% of anime isn't funny or cool enough. Now if a anime was like Family Guy or Robot Chicken, then I would like it.

Now I apolgize to Vid and any anime lovers.

Does that clear things up :/?

Oh, I get it. You're only interested in comedy...and Bleach.

Well then, mystery solved.

Have you noticed that most anime that gets brought here practically get spit on by the dubbers?  There are some good dubs out there, but crappy outnumber the good, sadly.  I'm glaring at companies, like 4Kids, for trashing good anime to make them more 'kid friendly'!  I understand their intentions for protecting the younger audience, but that's the problem right there.  The dubs wouldn't be trashed as badly if they aren't dubbed by studios that focus on the younger viewers and the younger viewers alone.   There should be more than one version of dubs: one version would be the cencored, sometimes trashed stuff you see on Saturday mornings, and the other version would be an untainted version for older fans that would air on stuff like Adult Swim

...You do realize anime is getting less censored nowadays then they were a decade ago? 4Kids is really the only company today that refuses to release uncut shows and americanize stuff. I mean look at Viz and Funi. Before Viz got the license to Naruto and Funi got the rights to FullMetal Alchemist they had terrible reputations for the editing of their shows. Along they came with nearly uncut shows and bam, suddenly they're not the bad guys anymore.

And that last comment reminds me of this report from Toon Zone's Chad Lee who commented on how he attended a Toonami panel at a convention a few weeks ago and most of the questions asked were "When will Gundam air on Adult Swim again?"
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Chupperson Weird on October 06, 2006, 11:20:37 AM
Well the statement "They never make any good animes" is false. I would say there is probably more that isn't worth watching than what is worth watching, but that stil doesn't mean there aren't good ones.
Why would you want an anime like Family Guy and Robot Chicken, when you already have those two shows? Not to say there aren't a few out there.
Also, according to some guy I know, the more violent episodes of Naruto haven't made it over to America yet, and also I hear the Viz dub of that show is not very good. I guess I'll reserve my judgment on things like Naruto until I see them, though, if that ever happens.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: superstarMASIAH on October 06, 2006, 11:38:16 AM
"I'll never tell you...MWA HA HA...Fine, I will. This is my OPINION about anime. I don't like beacuse it's so annoying. They never make any good animes. The only good animes I like is maybe Shin-Chan and Bleach but that's it. The problem is...maybe 90% of anime isn't funny or cool enough. Now if a anime was like Family Guy or Robot Chicken, then I would like it."

Uhhh, there is actually very good anime.  You can't just watch the every anime show on American broadcast and say anime is "gay".  To get some good anime action, you either have to buy it, or, uhh, you could rent it.  I have rented some good ones, the only thing about renting is that the VideoKing usually dosn't have all the episodes to a series.  So your basically left hanging on the edge of your seat.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Chupperson Weird on October 06, 2006, 05:25:45 PM
No, there are a couple very good series on Cartoon Network and stuff.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperMario on October 07, 2006, 08:48:39 PM
Kirby no longer having the ability to speak english (also in the Japan version)

Actually, Kirby's Japanese voice was left completely intact for the 4Kids dub. 4Kids is completely innocent when it comes to that. Not that I don't hate them with every fiber of my being, but still.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Robert on October 07, 2006, 08:57:16 PM
Actually, Kirby's Japanese voice was left completely intact for the 4Kids dub. 4Kids is completely innocent when it comes to that.
Actually, I believe Kirby used to say small things such as, "Watermelon"(in japanese, of course) or the names of his attacks in the original. So 4K!ds isn't entirely innocent on that.

Altought I could be wrong.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Kojinka on October 08, 2006, 09:19:48 AM
...You do realize anime is getting less censored nowadays then they were a decade ago? 4Kids is really the only company today that refuses to release uncut shows and americanize stuff.
Yes, I have noticed that.  I was just pointing out, with a drawn-out rant, my disgust with 4Kids for continuing the trend of trashing good anime to make it more appropriate for the younger, American audience.  The Pokemon anime was great back in the day, (with the exception of the fact that 4Kids left out two important episodes) but by the time of the Johto seasons, it got too repetative.  I guess the reason I like the old episodes of the Pokemon anime is because at least one ep would show Jessie, James, or Meowth's life before Team Rocket.  Those episodes made me deeply pity these three thieves and grow to love them.  Jessie and James are really two lost children who had no real family till they found each other.

4Kids didn't dub these anime, but these dubs were actually really great and were two of my favorites back in the day: Digimon (1st season) and Dragonball (not Dragonball Z)  I'm pretty sure the original Japanese Dragonball had more to it, but I was pretty satisfied with what the dub kept.  Same thing with Digimon.  Then again, most studios didn't worry about the physical viloence in cartoons till the complaints of parents about young kids accidentally injuring a friend using a move they learned from stuff like DBZ, while playing.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperMario on October 08, 2006, 02:41:32 PM
Actually, I believe Kirby used to say small things such as, "Watermelon"(in japanese, of course) or the names of his attacks in the original. So 4K!ds isn't entirely innocent on that.

Altought I could be wrong.

Even if that is the case, it's only small things anyway. I'm glad they did this instead of just giving Kirby some bad VA, when it's totally unnessecary.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on October 08, 2006, 04:47:31 PM
You know, I really wish Kirby could talk. I used to envision him having a voice similar to the Toaster from The Brave Little Toaster.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: GiftedGirl on October 08, 2006, 07:01:31 PM
Meh, I've grown to respect GiftedGirl a bit more than some of the newer people I've encountered here.

... *blushes*
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Vidgmchtr on October 08, 2006, 09:42:55 PM
It is true, I actually find you less annoying than people such as fuzzy, or Yoshi55. :P
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on October 09, 2006, 07:18:39 AM
Well, it's kinda hard to find someone more annoying than them.

But to get back on topic, I thought Kirby would have a voice like that due to the voice of the announcer in Kirby's Avalanche.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr. Wiggles on October 09, 2006, 09:21:18 AM
Yes, I have noticed that.  I was just pointing out, with a drawn-out rant, my disgust with 4Kids for continuing the trend of trashing good anime to make it more appropriate for the younger, American audience.  The Pokemon anime was great back in the day, (with the exception of the fact that 4Kids left out two important episodes) but by the time of the Johto seasons, it got too repetative.  I guess the reason I like the old episodes of the Pokemon anime is because at least one ep would show Jessie, James, or Meowth's life before Team Rocket.  Those episodes made me deeply pity these three thieves and grow to love them.  Jessie and James are really two lost children who had no real family till they found each other.

Johto is not 4kids fault. Johto sucked to begin with. Blame the writers for running out of ideas and making all filler (which was about 60% of that season) so formulaic.

I would've now said the Advanced seasons are infinite times better, but your opinion on May makes me think you probably don't like them at all.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Robert on October 09, 2006, 11:42:46 AM
You know, I really wish Kirby could talk. I used to envision him having a voice similar to the Toaster from The Brave Little Toaster.

Yeah, I agree. It would've been so cool if Kirby could talk. As for his voice, I never really thought of that, but I think it would sound soft, calm snd happy. Not overly squeaky, though. Just calm. But he'd raise his voice from time to time, like if he got into a fight.

I wonder if Kirby will have a new voice actor for SSBB?
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperLuigi on October 09, 2006, 04:49:15 PM
Ugh........I hate the Pokemon anime to begin with. It was fun when I was little, but every episode is doomed to follow the same storyline as the former.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: SushieBoy on October 09, 2006, 07:02:48 PM
Ya' know something bad? All good cartoons that started off well are now going down the pooper, Examples:

Pokemon: Down the pooper, and fast.

The Simpsons: Not as fast

Ed, Edd, and Eddy: Same as pokemon!

Anymore?
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperLuigi on October 09, 2006, 08:32:04 PM
Ed, Edd and Eddy, Spongebob, Billy and Mandy, and others were all very good cartoons, but have lost their touch and the fans know it. The only two good cartoons on Cartoon Network right now are Foster's and Camp Lazlo. Everything thing else is complete and utter crap that deserves to be shoved down the pooper until the toilet itself clogs and floods the whole Earth (although I'm beginning to understand and like Kids Next Door after watching some VERY good episodes).
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Chupperson Weird on October 10, 2006, 08:56:26 AM
There are a lot of cartoons that have the sense to end while they're still good. Not as much anymore, I guess...
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Vidgmchtr on October 10, 2006, 01:17:29 PM
I'm happy with cartoons that end as long as there is closure to the series.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Jman on October 10, 2006, 02:19:16 PM
Sonic X did not end well.  Season 3 was one of the more innovative Sonic seasons ever, but it was overshadowed by complaints about horrific dubbing and terrible rewrites from people who saw the originals in Japanese.  Plus, 4kids created a plothole with the Cosmo situation.  In the original script, she was slated to die.  But because "everything is sunshine and roses and nothing bad ever happens," according to them, they rewrote the dialog and cut out important scenes, thus removing the drama.  They then did even more of a hack job on the final episode, ending it with Chris going home, but we never find out if he gets there.  You'd think those were intended to indicate another season, but for now they're just plotholes.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on October 10, 2006, 05:24:46 PM
Ed, Edd and Eddy, Spongebob, Billy and Mandy, and others were all very good cartoons, but have lost their touch and the fans know it.

I can understand where you're coming from with Spongebob, but Edd, Ed and Eddy seems to be a lot different in the recent seasons, with it being set in autumn. I think it opened up a crapload of possibilities for the show.

(although I'm beginning to understand and like Kids Next Door after watching some VERY good episodes).

Ha! I new you'd understand at some point! Seen the KND tele-movie yet? It's awesome.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperLuigi on October 10, 2006, 05:31:06 PM
Yes, it's what won me over. The part where Grandfather was "crushed" by the moon-base was spectacular.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on October 10, 2006, 05:34:53 PM
You really need to watch the episodes in order. There'a actually.... stpry arcs!
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr. Wiggles on October 10, 2006, 06:49:12 PM
Wait, someone actually likes the new seasons of Ed, Edd n' Eddy?

I wish CN just let it end after season 4. When I heard there was 2 more seasons coming, I was initially excited. Then I caught the new episodes one day and thought, "Oh dear, what did they do?". First off, one of EEnE's charms was that it was endless summer. Going back to school would've definitely ruined the feel of the show. And it did. Then, Eddy was changed from being a greedy, swindling loser to a mean spirited loser and the punching bag of everyone. Sure, the Eds never won in their attempts to scam the kids and more than once were beaten to bloody pulps but it never got to the point where Eddy was constantly beaten and humiliated in every single episode. Lastly, Jimmy's voice. It makes my ears bleed. Oh yeah, and Kevin and Double D now appear to be Mary-Sues. All they're missing now is an anthromorphic talking animal buddy that appeals to drooling preschoolers.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Vidgmchtr on October 10, 2006, 09:20:57 PM
Well, I do recall one of the key people who helped make the cartoon died shortly before season 4 ended, maybe that's one of the reasons it has lost its "charm".

I haven't watched the show in quite a long time, and caught an episode a few weeks ago. It was fine, but a little different from what the cartoon's usual formula is.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Kojinka on October 11, 2006, 05:50:10 PM
I stopped watching Ed, Edd, n' Eddy about a year ago, but before I stopped watched, I loved it.  Why did I stop watching it?  The only episodes I was able to catch around that time were reruns. ......or perhaps I have a sixth sense that caught wind of its trip 'down the pooper'? O.O *Twilight Zone music plays*
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperMario on October 11, 2006, 06:53:39 PM
Ed, Edd and Eddy, Spongebob, Billy and Mandy, and others were all very good cartoons, but have lost their touch and the fans know it. The only two good cartoons on Cartoon Network right now are Foster's and Camp Lazlo. Everything thing else is complete and utter crap that deserves to be shoved down the pooper until the toilet itself clogs and floods the whole Earth (although I'm beginning to understand and like Kids Next Door after watching some VERY good episodes).

You could tell writers are trying with KND. Seen Operation ZERO? I never would have thought that was who Numbuh Zero was, but it makes sense now. I also loved Operation WHITEHOUSE, and to see Numbuh One grown up ( it was really cool to see Numbuhs 2 & 3 grow up, too. )
I can't agree with the Billy and Mandy thing. It's the first show on CN to make it to 7 Seasons, and I still love to see the eps. Before you decide to tune out whenever it's on, please at least be sure to watch the new Billy and Mandy TV movie coming out early 2007. Give it one more chance.
I used to hate Gym Partner, but I'm one of the few that love the character designs. The voices in Gym Partner are very good, too.
I really hate to admit it, and I mean I REALLY hate to say it, but you're probably right about Ed, Edd, N' Eddy. I loved that show but the new eps are hard to watch.
Speaking of shows getting new episodes that no one likes anymore, did anyone catch last weeks Spongebob? It was an awesome episode and reminded me of why I started to watch SpongeBob to begin with.

Random thing to say: I'm really happy CN is airing Courage all month. I loved that show.
Another random thing: My friend, Hayley, is devastated. She loved watching Danny Phantom, and when I told her it is getting cancelled, she was so sad. Speaking of which, who else hates the fact that Nick airs the DP eps out of order? The newest ep aired, Urban Jungle, was actually the 6th ep of the new season. Danny meets a friend in the ep that he met before the original date the ep was supposed to air. Why can't Nick treat DP with respect and air it in order? :\

Sonic X did not end well.  Season 3 was one of the more innovative Sonic seasons ever, but it was overshadowed by complaints about horrific dubbing and terrible rewrites from people who saw the originals in Japanese.  Plus, 4kids created a plothole with the Cosmo situation.  In the original script, she was slated to die.  But because "everything is sunshine and roses and nothing bad ever happens," according to them, they rewrote the dialog and cut out important scenes, thus removing the drama.  They then did even more of a hack job on the final episode, ending it with Chris going home, but we never find out if he gets there.  You'd think those were intended to indicate another season, but for now they're just plotholes.

Uh, that isn't the dubs fault. It was supposed to leave you wondering whether or not Chris got home. Though I hate the English dub of Sonic X with a burning fiery passion ( which is why I own the uncut subs )that is still not the dub's fault, though I agree with everything else you have said about your hate for the dub.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: SushieBoy on October 11, 2006, 06:56:09 PM
I know, the old ED episodes were great, now, they aren't bad, but they have lost their touch.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Jman on October 11, 2006, 10:42:13 PM
PaperMario: I don't hate the dub, I was just explaining why everybody else does.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Nintendo Bros. on October 14, 2006, 12:16:37 PM
Danny Phantom was gonna get cancelled from the start, I knew it. I used to watch Nickelodeon when I was little. Ren and Stimpy is the best cartoon ever and stupid Nick had to cancel it. Invader Zim...OMG! That was even better then Ren and Stimpy. Nick used to be good from 1978-1998, then Spongebob and Fairly OddParents came and it BLOWN Nick. They make these worthless and pathetic shows now. (Mr.Meaty = Desperate) And then the real blow, they actually tore down the Nickelodeon Studios and (Gasps) THE FOUNTAIN OF SLIME!!
Here's other reasons why Nick is almost DONE:

Zoey 101: Wow, Jamie Lynn is just as bad as Brittany.

Drake And Josh: Can you say, stupid?

Avatar: Worst american based anime ever.

Danny Phantom: All my friends hate it and it doesn't have any good plots. I'm goin ghost ain't a good catchphrase either.

They cancelled good shows like: SPLAT!, Nick Guts!, AAH! Real Monsters.

What is this world coming to here?

Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Chupperson Weird on October 14, 2006, 12:21:08 PM
If it's American-based, is it an anime?
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperLuigi on October 14, 2006, 01:05:40 PM
Nintendo Bros, shut up. I've had it with you bashing anime, cartoons and everything.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr. Wiggles on October 14, 2006, 01:34:08 PM
Avatar: Worst american based anime ever.

No.

Not until we see signs of JTS.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on October 14, 2006, 06:16:01 PM
I've gotten back into Homestar Runner again. Been watching the latest Sbemails. What do you guys think of 'em, if any of you are H*R fans?
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Kojinka on October 14, 2006, 06:28:07 PM
I actually agree with some of the stuff Nintendo Bros. said in his last post.  Aaaaaaggghhh!!!!  Drake and Josh and Zoey 101 are pure crap IMO.  Of course, there are some things in that post that I disagree with.  Once again, he's making his biased comment about hating Avatar, when he could just say he doesn't have any interest in it and avoid hard feelings.  As for Spongebob.  That is an awesome show, and I don't think it hurt Nick very much, if at all.  But, even though I like the show, it's gradually going downhill, and it needs to end before it reaches the uncleanable muck in the drain.

Danny Phantom: It was a great show to start with, but after a while, it went down fast.  Well, the TV movies were awesome.  I especially loved Reignstorm and The Ultimate Enemy.

Catscratch: It had potential, but turned out to be really repetative.

Avatar should NOT end till Aang defeats the Fire Lord (I think Zuko should be the one to destroy Azula) and brings peace and prosperity back to the world.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Kojinka on October 14, 2006, 06:33:47 PM
Sorry for the Double post, but right now, I'm mad at CN and my sattelite provider more than ever!  The guide said "Princess Mononoke", a movie that I really want to see, and when I pressed select, what did I get? the Fantastic 4 cartoon! >_<  To an anime fan artist, you can't get any lower than that.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Vidgmchtr on October 14, 2006, 09:21:48 PM
Sunbun and I were pretty annoyed about that as well. Then I checked Cartoon Network's site, and it said Pokémon Chronicles was supposed to be on at that time (and that's exactly what I saw on my TV).

So, I guess the site of the actual network is better to check than TV Guide's.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr. Wiggles on October 14, 2006, 11:10:55 PM
Too bad about Princess Mononoke. It's my second favorite Miyazaki film next to Spirited Away. But Fantastic Four + Ultimate Avengers is a good enough replacement for me. I just wish UA was a series and not DTV's.

Holy crap, JLU's season finale is airing! This night is made of pure win!
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Chupperson Weird on October 14, 2006, 11:25:37 PM
I don't really get why Spirited Away is so popular. The art is nice, but the story is utterly shallow compared to pretty much all of Miyazaki's other movies.
My favorite Miyazaki film is Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind, with Princess Mononoke very close behind.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperMario on October 15, 2006, 01:39:27 PM
PaperMario: I don't hate the dub, I was just explaining why everybody else does.

Sorry. I did'nt mean to make it sound like you hated the dub because I could see you did'nt, but I guess that's just how it turned out anyway. :P

Nintendo Bros.: Is our undivided attention so important to you that you feel the only way to be accepted as a respected member is to bash something we like and expect people to reply to your posts and notice you more?
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Kojinka on October 15, 2006, 02:46:44 PM
If that's his game, I will fall for it no more!
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperLuigi on October 15, 2006, 05:56:24 PM
I don't really get why Spirited Away is so popular. The art is nice, but the story is utterly shallow compared to pretty much all of Miyazaki's other movies.
My favorite Miyazaki film is Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind, with Princess Mononoke very close behind.

Howl's Moving Castle is my favorite, mabey because I read the book.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Chupperson Weird on October 15, 2006, 06:31:34 PM
Howl is probably my third favorite... possibly tied with Mononoke. However, as I understand it, it's not very close to the book. Which is not a bad thing.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperLuigi on October 15, 2006, 08:35:53 PM
Eh, some parts are tied close, while others, not so much. But I kinda got a basic feel for it, which is why I like it over the others.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Nintendo Bros. on October 20, 2006, 01:57:47 PM
Just to remind Spongebob fans that Nick is doing a 24-hour block full of spongebob of 100 total episodes including a new one.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on October 20, 2006, 02:27:33 PM
But I thought you hated Spongebob.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr. Wiggles on October 20, 2006, 06:30:17 PM
I would love to know why Nick thinks kids are going to watch Spongebob through late night hours on a Thursday night. I mean, a Friday premiere is understandable but really Thursday is a strange day to start a marathon.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Nintendo Bros. on October 20, 2006, 06:42:36 PM
That is beacuse Friday is Veterans Day which means no school.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Nintendo Bros. on October 20, 2006, 06:43:43 PM
But I thought you hated Spongebob.

I do. I was bored and I just posted it for fans of that gay Sponge.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Vidgmchtr on October 20, 2006, 10:50:26 PM
that gay Sponge.

*irritated sigh*

So, how many times will I have to tell you to stop using "gay" to express distaste here before you actually DO stop?

I don't care if you hate him, that's fine. I hate the cartoon as well. But I could use much better words to show that I don't like the show.

For example:
"Spongebob Squarepants is one of the most terrible cartoons ever made in the history of animation."

OR

"Spongebob's horrendous characters, music, AND humor make for an unpleasant half an hour."

You can see, my opinions look and sound much smarter than how you put it. "Gay." My sister uses "gay". She uses it on average, about 40 times a day, when referring to people, places, and things she does not like.

My sister is also in danger of failing a few of her classes.

You're a big boy. Use a vocabulary that better suits your age.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: SolidShroom on October 20, 2006, 10:57:50 PM
that gay Sponge.
You know, NB is correct when he says this. Spongebob seems to be happy 99% of the time.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Vidgmchtr on October 20, 2006, 11:02:25 PM
Not in this context.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on October 21, 2006, 07:23:29 AM
I'll bet that guy would think Bert and Ernie were gay if he knew about that rumor.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperLuigi on October 21, 2006, 08:16:33 AM
He thinks everything is gay. That's just how he is. There's no changing what he says, so might as well put up with it.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Robert on October 21, 2006, 10:36:44 AM
He thinks everything is gay. That's just how he is. There's no changing what he says, so might as well put up with it.

True. It's obvious that if we have to tell NB not to use the word "gay" in the way he uses it for the ninth time, he just won't get and we should stop wasting our time on him. Why should we waste time fixing something that simply cannot be fixed? Besides, this is the toon disscusion thread, so we've got cartoons to debate about. Like Zatch Bell.

I watched this anime last night out of sheer boredom. Lemme tell ya, I'm not one to laugh at cartoons, but I couldn't help but to have a big smile on my face as I watched this 'toon. This episode wasn't focussed on Zatch and his/her owner. This episode focused on some kid with a duck beak and his owner, who was apparently a movie star with a thick itailian accent. They were trying to save a little girl's sheep from some guy and his dragon. The humor is constant, quirky and random. For example, at one part of the show, that movie star guy was walking through an inferno generated by the dragon. As he was making an awe-inspiring speech, the show switches to a shot behind the guy, showing the fire had burnt through the back of his pants, revealing his underwear.

I look forward to the next epiosode of Zatch Bell.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Glorb on October 21, 2006, 01:25:37 PM
In my opinion kids' anime shows have become too annoying and formulaic to tolerate. Especially Naruto - its only redeeming quality is its hard-rawking theme song, which I can practice my rad air guitar skillz on. Other than that, totally overrated.

However, I do have a soft spot in my heart for Bobo bo-bo-whatever the crap it's called. It makes about as much sense as The Evil Bread. And that much weirdness takes serious effort.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Vidgmchtr on October 21, 2006, 03:38:40 PM
I saw Kiki's Delivery Service today (on a local channel, which I find a bit odd), and enjoyed it quite a bit.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on October 21, 2006, 05:25:01 PM
I wish some of the more specific-genre animes would get sent here. I want an anime that I can relate to!
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: PaperLuigi on October 21, 2006, 09:00:18 PM
I can relate to Kinnikuman because of Wrestling. Although it's not the kind of wrestling I do, it's just a little something, you know?
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: HolyAarom on October 21, 2006, 09:31:52 PM
In my opinion kids' anime shows have become too annoying and formulaic to tolerate. Especially Naruto - its only redeeming quality is its hard-rawking theme song, which I can practice my rad air guitar skillz on. Other than that, totally overrated.



First of all, if it was a kids show, it would be dubbed into Y7. It got a rating of PG. If you think the show is bad, you should watch the earlier episodes such as the ones in the Wave Country arc, then you'll understand. The show also exploits many feelings suck as betrayal, loneliness, and anger. Unless you're talking about the later episodes where they are mostly filler, then I can understand why you think it's crap. But, I'm assuming that you're watching the one on CN.

I can understand if you think it's stupid and I respect that, but it's not overrated.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Chupperson Weird on October 22, 2006, 12:10:32 AM
"Overrated" is overrated.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Jman on October 22, 2006, 08:28:45 PM
I'm still trying to get my movie preoject off of the ground.  I am currently planning that and a subsequent cartoon series based on it.  You all should remember my movie from a character I have alluded to about 100 times.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Chupperson Weird on October 22, 2006, 09:00:13 PM
I don't remember what the heck you're talking about.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Vidgmchtr on October 22, 2006, 10:53:05 PM
I second Chup.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Jman on October 22, 2006, 11:25:48 PM
Never mind.  It's in the old Movie Ideas topic.
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: Glorb on October 23, 2006, 10:04:37 AM
Hey, that reminds me! Cyber-LepreClaw, Ninjas vs. Pirates and Citizen Pain, all coming to a theater near you!
Title: Re: The Toon Discussion Thread
Post by: The Chef on October 23, 2006, 03:59:21 PM
I have hundreds of ideas for a webcomic/animated series I hope to make someday. 'Fraid I can't tell you them at the moment. Maybe some other time when I have time to spare.