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What's your opinion?

Swearing is wrong.
1 (3.7%)
I don't like it, but I don't care if others do it.
6 (22.2%)
Swearing isn't a big deal.
16 (59.3%)
I don't care/have mixed veiws.
4 (14.8%)

Total Members Voted: 27

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Author Topic: What's your opinion on swearing/cussing?  (Read 14614 times)

« on: December 22, 2012, 12:14:08 AM »
On a different site, me and a friend are in an arguement about if swearing was bad.

She says people shouldn't swear because it's sinning and I'm saying that swearing isn't that big a deal and shouldn't be compared to problems like murder and world hunger.

So I decided to ask what the Fungi Forums think, is swearing bad or not a big deal?
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« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2012, 01:30:48 AM »
As long as you're not using slurs, swear away. There's really no harm in swearing unless one's tone is harsh and directed at someone undeserving of corrosive speech.

She says people shouldn't swear because it's sinning

That argument only holds weight if you take the Bible or religion seriously. And you shouldn't.

EDIT: Have you considered adding a poll? That might give you a better idea of what we think.
« Last Edit: December 22, 2012, 01:38:19 AM by PaperLuigi »
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« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2012, 08:05:21 AM »
I don't, and I've never really been tempted to use it in my normal language. I have used it before, but it never felt right.

Words are easily manipulated, and it doesn't bother me that in front of certain people you can only use certain language. People take the words they use too seriously, and unless you're being deliberately insulting to someone with it (and you shouldn't), it shouldn't be a big deal.
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BP

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« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2012, 04:10:30 PM »
It's rude. But so are burping, making puns about boners, and making jokes that imply you've slept with other people's mothers. There's a time, place and group of people around whom those things are acceptable as well. It's very much a When In Rome sort of thing. And trying to force Rome to do what you and you alone want it to do is a tyrannical attempt at conquest, and Rome has every right to hate you and rebel against you.
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CrossEyed7

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« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2012, 04:15:48 PM »
The way I understand it, Japanese doesn't have "swear words" the way we think of them. There are very disrespectful ways to refer to people, but they're not treated like evil incantations the way they are in English -- everyone knows what the words are, and everyone knows not to use them. TV shows that would be the equivalent of TV-Y7 over here often have characters using those words, which are translated as "*******" and the like in faithful dubs, because those fictional characters are in situations where they have reason to be that angry at other people, and the kids watching are expected to understand that just because the people on TV say those things doesn't mean they should say them to people in real life, just like you shouldn't kill people in real life.

When you think about it, it's funny that kids' shows in America can have killing, but not swearing. Think through the logic on it. Why are swear words bad? Not because of any inherent power in the words themselves, but because of the feelings of anger and hate and disrespect that they are carrying. And ultimately, anger and hate and disrespect for others is bad because it eventually leads to killing them. It'd be like if it was okay to show people having sex, but not show them flirting (On the other hand, maybe it's like how it's okay to show people who have children without showing the sex they had to make the children?).

I think we focus too much on the taboo of the specific words. We call them "curse words" as though the words are magic. They're not. That's silly. And the whole argument for not letting kids know what the words are is "But once they know them, they'll start saying them!" which is probably only because we try so hard to keep them from saying them.



As to the religious aspect: The verse that Christians most often use to prohibit swearing is "Do not take the name of the Lord in vain." That would only cover things like "oh my God," "god[darn]," and "Jesus H. Christ" (and, if you look into the etymology, "egads" ("Oh gods") and "gadzooks" ("God's hooks," referring to the nails that held Jesus to the cross)) (also some Christians say that "jeez," "gee," "gosh," "golly," and the like also count, because you're really still saying the same thing). There's another verse or two somewhere in one of Paul's epistles about not having "coarse speech" that is sometimes also used when it's pointed out that most words we consider swears don't have anything to do with God's name.

However, in the original context of the "taking the Lord's name in vain" thing, it wouldn't have been referring to saying "oh my God" anyway. It would have referred to someone saying that God said something that he really didn't -- taking something that's really your own opinion and/or for your own gain and attaching the name of God to it to give it legitimacy. Westboro Baptist Church is an excellent example of people actually taking God's name in vain. Virtually all televangelists, too. And a lot of politicians.
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« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2012, 07:11:41 PM »
I don't really care, but it can be a little uncomfortable.

On a side note, the vote bars kinda look like the poll's giving the finger
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Suffix

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« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2012, 10:24:07 PM »
I rejected a number of things as a child when moving from elementary to middle school, and one of those was the "cussing" vernacular. It was an ill-spirited and isolating approach, and I would wish it on no one.

Of course, I was similarly obvious in my distaste for smoking, and even my parents were not spared from a venomous glare when they were drinking what I viewed to be an excessive amount, at least for a year or two after learning how alcohol and depressants in general work.

I've changed very little in my own method of speech to this day, but now I recognize cussing/swearing to be an unimaginative call to attention, and not an attack on my own, generally businesslike habits. My days of self-induced reactions are over, but I don't think my individualistic sense of disdain will ever be able to ignore these single-syllable embellishments.





Markio

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« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2012, 10:36:04 PM »
I don't like when swear words are used maliciously or to put down someone; I don't like swear words that (intentionally or not) target a group of people (i.e. retard, gay, etc.);  I don't like hearing "God" followed by "[darn]."

I am perfectly fine with people swearing in frustration to themselves.  Swearing at someone is a different story.
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« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2012, 10:42:16 PM »
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« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2012, 11:21:49 PM »
Well [dukar].
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« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2012, 01:46:09 AM »
Anyone who wants to see two hours of grade-A swearing check out the movie 44 Inch Chest. One of my favs.

Suffix

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« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2012, 08:39:04 AM »
Relevant: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1913773,00.html

I kind of expected this to be the truth about involuntary swearing. Now I can back it up!

BP

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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2013, 05:25:58 PM »
To anyone: If Sapph edits a swear out of your post (or The Chef; he is afraid of her), PM me and I'll restore it. I mean I've been doing it for the ones that I've noticed, but yeah. I'm kind of a dunce so I must have missed some. Searching "edited by Sapphira" only yields posts about this exact thing happening in 2009 because edit tags aren't part of the post.

To recap, there's a censor in the user control panel if you don't want to see them. I believe it's active by default, even. The rule is "don't evade the censor," not "no swearing," so Sapph is editing your posts to her liking and literally nothing else. But, I'm sure if she complains enough the rule will be changed for her. Until that happens, I'm on your side.
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« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2013, 05:54:48 PM »
Seriously? The only modding you do is undoing my actions? Way to undermine my authority.
Also, ever since I returned, I stopped editing swears the censors pick up, as I realize that's redundant. But I will and do edit the swears the censors miss, though. Which happens too much because the censors need updating and aren't perfect anyway. So you better not be reediting those back in.
This shouldn't even be an issue anymore.
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BP

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« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2013, 07:11:08 PM »
"No deliberately getting around the censors." If the word isn't in the censor, using the word isn't getting around the censor. Getting around the censor would be putting a period in the middle of a censored word, or slightly misspelling it so it gets through.

I'm not undermining anything. We rank the same, my made-up rules are just as good as yours, only I don't have made-up rules. Because they're not good at all.
« Last Edit: January 07, 2013, 07:12:59 PM by BP »
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« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2013, 07:31:31 PM »
Anyone who wants to see two hours of grade-A swearing check out the movie 44 Inch Chest. One of my favs.

Boy does that sound like a porn title.
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Trainman

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« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2013, 08:47:11 PM »
I swear sometimes. I don't lace my sentences with swears, but I'm sure as hell not one of those people that say, "ONLY DUMB PEOPLE USE SWEAR WORDS." Random and meaningless comparison, but that's like people who think they're smart by putting periods and commas outside of quotation marks (which will forever be incorrect). Anyway, whether you swear or not is not a sign of intelligence or lack thereof.

The only place it will bother me is if someone I know is just swearing away or whatever in front of children or in social situations where it's just completely unnecessary. I also don't swear around people I don't know until I get to know them. While I always respect senior authority, it just feels strange swearing around people who are quite a bit older than me because it's like.... like...... I'm still a kid to them, so it's just weird.
Formerly quite reasonable.

Markio

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« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2013, 12:04:14 PM »
I don't care about the censored words.  As long as I can still say [hindquarters] then I'm fine--wait, we can't say that?  [Darn] it!  Argh!
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Sapphira

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« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2013, 01:39:16 PM »
Right now there're only about three swears that aren't censored, and the only reason they seem to not be is because the censors are stupid and don't know how to distinguish between individual words and those strings of characters contained within non-swear words. So, if said swears were censored, innocent words like "association," "passive," "shell," and "hello" would have censored parts. In other words, it over-censors.
Deezer and I have been trying to come up with a solution, but we haven't been successful yet. So for now those words remain uncensored, even though they would be if we could. But just because they're not censored doesn't mean it's a good idea to use those words.

The third word I have no idea why it's not censored, but I imagine it's for the same reason and I just can't think of an example, or it's the fact that it can be a person's name. *Shrug*

Anyway, the point is, everyone should use discretion, myself included.

BP, I recently talked to Deezer about the whole situation, and we have a procedure/plan for handling things now. So you and I and anyone else can chill. And next time, if you have a problem with any modding I (or any other mod) does, rather than taking matters into your own hands, talk to Deezer if we can't agree.
« Last Edit: January 09, 2013, 01:48:05 PM by Sapphira »
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« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2013, 03:25:35 PM »
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Maybe there could be a line of code that says that IF the word is found on Dictionary.com AND is not the word being censored, THEN allow it.

Also for the third word, I got nothing because I don't know what the word is
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Sapphira

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« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2013, 06:28:14 PM »
I don't think the censors are that sophisticated. The solution that seemed most promising was to put a space before and after the word to be censored, to basically isolate the word, but that didn't pan out because it won't let you put a space at the beginning. (It worked for putting a space AFTER it, but not before.)
The censor options are "check whole words only" or not, and "ignore case." The "check whole words only" option would've been good, but unfortunately, it would apply to ALL the words on the censored list, not just individual ones we choose. And we're not gonna do that because it'd be a lot easier to bypass the censors, as they wouldn't take tenses and plurals and superlatives and compound words into consideration. (That's the problem with the censors in the chatroom; it basically checks whole words only, allowing a lot of otherwise censored words through.)

So yeah.

The third word is a nickname for Richard.
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BP

  • Beside Pacific
« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2013, 06:59:43 PM »
Then add all the variations you can think of with spaces and periods after and use "check whole words only."

All things considered it'd be less work than editing them out of posts manually... though the list seems to be an admin-only zone.
« Last Edit: January 09, 2013, 07:01:23 PM by BP »
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« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2013, 08:40:32 PM »
Man, I remember when we were ragging on David Dayton for censoring swears.
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Koopaslaya

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« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2013, 04:14:43 PM »
Generally, I rather find swearing or cussing to be distasteful, especially in mixed company. Occasionally, however, I find it to be appropriate. Generally in everyday conversation, I avoid saying distasteful words. these words have a dynamic potency. they can cause mixed reactions and certainly convey great emotion. when used appropriately, I think they are fine. This is especially true in art: music, poetry, and prose. Such words, however, lose their potent capacity once they are hurled about in the way a high schooler would use the word "like."

A couple of examples that I have in mind:

The band fun's recent hit song "Some Nights" has what I would call a "well-placed" f-bomb.

Mumford and Son's song Little Lion Man also uses the word well.

Bands like blink-182, however, hurl it around so much that it looses its power to convey anything of substance.
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CrossEyed7

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« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2013, 06:48:50 PM »
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYYBJ8XRdh4" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYYBJ8XRdh4</a>

(this video has a swear word in it)
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« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2013, 10:46:13 PM »
I [censored]ing hate it


but in serious: I kinda agree with Koopaslaya. There are times when it can be ok, and times when it's outright inappropriate.
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« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2013, 01:19:57 PM »
I love swearing and the use of expletives in a comedic sense; even if not used to tell a joke, if the situation is comedic then its great. I don't think it does much good for any matter of seriousness though. I don't particularly mind it, except in the case of casual swearing; people who swear casually automatically give the impression of being for lack of a better word stupid, at least to me.
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Insane Steve

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« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2013, 01:40:05 PM »
Generally I won't swear often in more formal social settings, but I swear in ways that'd make a drunk sailor blush when with friends/talking to myself.

I also see some things will never change here :P
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« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2013, 10:30:35 PM »
My only problem with swearing begins and ends with overuse, much like economic inflation or food garnishes. If you say 'em all the time, they lose their significance and impact, whether it be rooted in anger, sadness, joy, or comedy. My swears are doled out like a semi-finite resource, and I'd encourage others to do the same.
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Insane Steve

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« Reply #29 on: February 10, 2013, 02:41:13 AM »
Almost forgot: swears of different "types" come out very differently for me.

I have a difficult time ever using swears that are meant to demean people with a specific attribute (racial/gender slurs, etc.) - even demonstratively.
I tend to avoid but will sometimes use blasphemous swears.
I use scatological swears, at least with familiars, about as fluidly as I'll use any other non-offensive word in the English language. I have been known to drop f-bombs at a rate of at least one per sentence when I'm on certain tangents (or drunk). I am well aware this completely causes them to lose their meaning if you know me well enough. Meh.
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« Reply #30 on: March 20, 2013, 02:57:56 AM »
Thanks for you votes and posts, I told my friend the results. :P
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