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Title: Best size for Bowser?
Post by: Silver Metaknight on September 27, 2008, 10:15:57 AM
Bowser changes sizes it seems, how big do you like him to be?  The same size like in Super Mario Bros, slighty bigger as in Super Mario RPG, his usual size like in Mario Galaxy, much bigger like in Paper Mario, or his extremely large size like in Luigi's Mansion or in Super Mario Sunshine? 
Title: Re: Best size for Bowser?
Post by: Super Caterina! on September 27, 2008, 10:32:57 AM
Bowser changes sizes it seems, how big do you like him to be?  The same size like in Super Mario Bros, slighty bigger as in Super Mario RPG, much bigger like in Paper Mario, or his extremely large size like in Luigi's Mansion or in Super Mario Sunshine?

No one of these...I think his "normal" size is the one of Mario Galaxy!I think it fits him! ;p

Then I think he becomes huge (such as in Mario Sunshine) when he drinks a magic drink (seen in Mario Party serie)...
Title: Re: Best size for Bowser?
Post by: Markio on September 27, 2008, 10:35:27 AM
Even though I like the colossal proportions in Super Mario Sunshine, I think his size was best represented in the cutscenes of Super Mario Galaxy.  Big enough to be really threatening, yet small enough to be realistic.

What was the point of quoting that?  There wasn't anything else to respond to.
Title: Re: Best size for Bowser?
Post by: Kimimaru on September 27, 2008, 10:50:18 AM
I'd have to say that his size in Super Mario Galaxy was most fitting. He was approximately 2-2.5x bigger than Mario. I think that should be an option.
Title: Re: Best size for Bowser?
Post by: MushroomJunkie on September 27, 2008, 12:48:08 PM
I like him huge like in Luigi's Mansion.
Title: Re: Best size for Bowser?
Post by: BP on September 27, 2008, 12:57:45 PM
I'm with Markio. When he's about as tall as a Mario and three quarters, that's impressive enough and it's more comfortable to have a conversation with something like that. But when he's the great colossus he was in Luigi's Mansion or Super Mario Sunshine, that's quite a spectacle but cliche a bit awkward to talk to.
Title: Re: Best size for Bowser?
Post by: Linkin800 on September 27, 2008, 03:46:07 PM
I thought the Bowser in Super Mario Sunshine was cookie monster. But if I would have to pick one of the sizes it would be the SMG one.
Title: Re: Best size for Bowser?
Post by: Toad on September 27, 2008, 07:17:02 PM
The Bowser in Mario Sunshine sounded like those creatures that lived above ground in Fraggle Rock, but that's not for this topic..

I think the best sized Bowser was the one from SMG. I agree with Markio, and also BirdPerson. If he were SMG sized and tried to walk into Mario in some sequel to Mario RPG, that would be scary.
Title: Re: Best size for Bowser?
Post by: Yoshi Flame on September 27, 2008, 10:31:25 PM
I also think he seemed best in SMG.
Title: Re: Best size for Bowser?
Post by: Kojinka on September 27, 2008, 11:14:14 PM
I felt his size was represented best in the RPGs (minus maybe the first PM) and Galaxy.
Title: Re: Best size for Bowser?
Post by: CrossEyed7 on September 27, 2008, 11:36:13 PM
I really liked his SMRPG size, but for the purposes of the main games, his SMG size is best.
Title: Re: Best size for Bowser?
Post by: penguinwizard on September 28, 2008, 02:13:41 PM
I'm saying Super Mario RPG size, but I confused that with "same size as Mario" (since I was thinking about their sprites... looked similar in my mind), so I essentially messed up my vote. Meant to vote "slightly bigger than Mario". Confirmed that when looking up videos of Bowser from Paper Mario versus Super Paper Mario. In the N64 one, Bowser's like three times Mario's size, and that was odd. In the GameCube one, he's a little less than twice Mario's size. Yet the Bowsers in both those Paper Mario games are probably the same sprite. So either the Mario sprite got a makeover and was made bigger, or Bowser was made smaller.

As for the general look of Bowser (which wasn't mentioned, but I'll do it anyway), I prefer a clean look but slightly rugged (visible bumps but not bumps everywhere), not so cutesy as to be bubbly, not as realistic as the Smash Bros. games (by the way, I think Bowser in Smash Bros. Melee looks terrible in the static render, but wonderful in motion), slight orange hue instead of golden colors.
Title: Re: Best size for Bowser?
Post by: BP on September 28, 2008, 02:18:40 PM
In Paper Mario, Bowser is roughly twice Mario's size for most of the game. Before the final battle, Kammy Koopa powers him up with a spell that makes him grow dramatically, with blue steam (it was blue, wasn't it? The Master's steam was yellow, I know that much) rising from him. I think the steam means "My max HP is 99."
Title: Re: Best size for Bowser?
Post by: Markio on September 28, 2008, 02:26:59 PM
I'm with Markio.
I agree with Markio, and also BirdPerson.
I feel so noteworthy!

I think his size in Super Mario Galaxy equates to his size in the original Super Mario 64, except the graphics are extremely better in the former.  I think they set a good size standard for Bowser with SM64 and are finally returning to that size because it fits best.  Especially since characters' sizes are hard to represent in a Kart or on a field, or even in an RPG(Mallow just goes in Mario's pocket half the time?).
Title: Re: Best size for Bowser?
Post by: BP on September 28, 2008, 02:48:06 PM
The great thing about Super Mario RPG there is that it does follow the trend of the main character being the only visible character outside of battle, but also parodies it. When talking to Gaz and about to go, and Gaz suddenly stops the group to give Geno the Finger Shot, Mallow and Geno bump their heads on Mario's and Mario cringes.
Title: Re: Best size for Bowser?
Post by: The Chef on September 28, 2008, 03:03:54 PM
The steam Bowser has was blue.

Right after the conversation ends for real, Geno and Mallow go to walk inside Mario and stop short for a moment just see if Gaz is truly finished, then they continue.
Title: Re: Best size for Bowser?
Post by: ShadowBrain on September 28, 2008, 03:23:14 PM
Well, I went with "slightly" and "alot". SMG size or a bit smalle seems about right to me.
Title: Re: Best size for Bowser?
Post by: nensondubois on September 28, 2008, 04:30:24 PM
He was too small in most games including Mario RPG where he looked as if he was slightly taller than Mario and Mario is small which is a misrepresentation to "King of The Koopas".
Title: Re: Best size for Bowser?
Post by: ShadowBrain on September 28, 2008, 05:23:25 PM
Like he'd really be "actual size" (whatever that may be) in a turn-based RPG.
Title: Re: Best size for Bowser?
Post by: Toad on September 29, 2008, 09:20:10 AM
The great thing about Super Mario RPG there is that it does follow the trend of the main character being the only visible character outside of battle, but also parodies it. When talking to Gaz and about to go, and Gaz suddenly stops the group to give Geno the Finger Shot, Mallow and Geno bump their heads on Mario's and Mario cringes.

Speaking of that scene, what is Mallow doing to Mario after Gaz says "Well, Mario needs all the help he can get."?

I've been thinking a lot, and Bowser must be a shrinky-dink. How else could he be Godzilla sized in one game and then marginally smaller in the next?
Title: Re: Best size for Bowser?
Post by: Markio on September 29, 2008, 09:30:17 AM
I think the "non-linear" games distort the sizes of characters.  Like I said, the Kart games and Sports series makes the characters similar in size to make everything impartial.  If Bowser were his regular size in MK:DD, it would be hard to share a Kart with him.  Likewise, the RPG games are presented in different visual formats; the characters are either paper or more cartoony versions of themselves.  They're essentially 2-D made to look 3-D, I think.  I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Best size for Bowser?
Post by: CrossEyed7 on September 29, 2008, 12:05:04 PM
Speaking of that scene, what is Mallow doing to Mario after Gaz says "Well, Mario needs all the help he can get."?
I think he's supposed to be holding him back from punching Gaz for insulting him like that.
Title: Re: Best size for Bowser?
Post by: ShadowBrain on September 29, 2008, 10:06:57 PM
Yeah, that's it.

Bowser must be a shrinky-dink.
With all that lava he's constantly exposed to? He'd be a tiny plasticy lump by now!
Title: Re: Best size for Bowser?
Post by: Chocobo on October 12, 2008, 01:14:12 PM
I voted for "A lot bigger than Mario." I guess the best way I can verbalize my idea of his ideal height would be to say that if Mario was a normal sized human, I'd want Bowser to be at least a foot and a half taller, maybe two, depending on how slouched over he is. Enough to really let him loom over Mario. I am okay, however, with letting Bowser use a transformation spell on himself for the sake of boss battles.