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Video Games => Mario Chat => Topic started by: Tv_Themes on April 22, 2009, 08:25:16 PM
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What has he done for the MU (Mario Universe)?
Nothing. So why do we even have him around? The reason Wario was born was to give Mario a separate villain for the Super Mario Land games. Of course, Nintendo decided to give Wario his own series of games which were awesome until they decided to give him that ridiculous factory that needs to be destroyed by an atomic bomb, but that's not my main point.
Outside of spinoff games, Waluigi has not been in any canonical games. If he won't show up in any, why bother keeping him? He is worthless and just there for the sake of there being a twisted evil clone of Luigi.
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Wario Ware is awesome and not a disgrace to the Wario series.
Waluigi is funny in my opinion. I think they should keep him around; besides, it's not like he's hurting anyone. If you feel like he's destroying the Mario series, go outside and protest or something.
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Oh yeah! Let's have a road trip to Kyoto!
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Tv_Themes, you're a very face-value person, aren't you?
I don't want Waluigi to ever be playable in a main Mario or Wario game. But he's great as a character... to make fun of. Even Martinet says he voices Waluigi with the theme being self-pity. If you ever played Mario Party 4 with me and Captain Jim, you'd understand.
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I honestly don't care about his opinion of Waluigi. I'm just wondering why he hates Wario Ware so much. Sure, it's a tad annoying and the characters are highly underdeveloped (aside from Wario), but the game itself is extremely entertaining.
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The Wario Ware saga just came from out of nowhere. A greedy man who is already famous and popular for going on epic treasure hunts just all of a sudden opens up a factory producing mini games, things the Mario Universe already had thanks to Mario Party.
It's like if Pokemon just decides to start a game about cooking Hamburgers made out of Tauros' and Miltanks. It would be Pikachu's job to place the lettuce, pickle, mayo, mustard, ketchup and a bun all before the burger hits the end of the packing machine.
There was nothing wrong with Wario Land. People must have been buying it if it made it up to #4 and it must have been missed or they didn't come up with Wario Land: Shake It. It seems to me people buy the Wario Ware titles because it's Nintendo, nothing can go wrong with them! That's why the main Pokemon games keep selling. Have you played them all? Its the exact same story, some kid just collects 8 Badges but has to stop an "evil" team from doing something that would actually be awesome horrible but nobody learns anything in the process. Then, when they get the badges they can now battle the Elite 4 and when they do that, Battle Tower time (like the repetitive battling wasn't already there).
In addition, Wario showing himself off as a professional businessman is not what I ever saw Wario becoming. Wario is a greedy, lazy son of a female dog. Lazy people don't work for their money, they steal it. Also, to run a business, you need to be smart. When was it ever shown that Wario has the knowledge to run a bloody factory?
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The Wario Land/whatever games were/are fun, but Mario's got platformers taken care of, so Wario's handling a separate franchise/genre. As for Waluigi, he is one-dimensional and created solely as an accomplice to Wario in spin-offs, but I don't really hate him.
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In addition, Wario showing himself off as a professional businessman is not what I ever saw Wario becoming. Wario is a greedy, lazy son of a female dog. Lazy people don't work for their money, they steal it. Also, to run a business, you need to be smart. When was it ever shown that Wario has the knowledge to run a bloody factory?
Have you played the games? Wario doesn't work! He uses his friends as tools to make money, which he tries to run off with. Usually he's eating pastries or something when you see him. Which is not "professional business man working".
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I disagree with Tv_Themes' statement that you need to be smart to run a business. Furthermore, WarioWare didn't replace the Wario Land games. It just happens to be another series featuring Wario. Another series highly superior to the Wario Land series. Also your analogy of WarioWare vs. Pokemon Burgers doesn't make any sense. WarioWare isn't a spinoff of Wario Land. It is a completely separate entity. Heck, the only thing they have in common is Wario. And even then, only Wario's face. So forget they even have Wario in them and accept them for the fun fun games they are.
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You hate WarioWare because of the story rationale? What the heck!?
The first WarioWare was exceedingly brilliant, clever, witty, humorous, creative, cute, fun, and was almost a new genre! A real top-notch game.
Then, unlike Pokemon, each new WarioWare was still insanely creative. Five games and they have never even used the same control input device. Smooth Moves did stuff with the Wii that still no one else has.
WarioWare ranks in the highest tier of things Nintendo has ever put out.
Oh, and then that team went and did the Rhythm Heaven games, which are even better, putting those easily in the top tier of games made ever by anyone.
So, sorry Tv_Themes. You're really really wrong.
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I hope Captain Jim doesn't read that post.
More to the point, I don't think it would kill Nintendo to put Waluigi in a WarioWare/Wario Land game. I don't think it would kill them to kill him either. If they're going to keep him around, though, he needs to be in a non-spinoff game eventually.
I don't really care what happens to him as long as he's not kept in purgatory.
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Another series highly superior to the Wario Land series
Blasphemy. They're incomparable.
Anyway, I have no beef with Waluigi serving the role he was created for, but unlike others I feel he has enough potential to appear in a game other that a sports/party spinoff, like an RPG perhaps. Even if it's a non-playable role.
Then again, there haven't been any Mario spinoffs out recently, so I guess if they don't use him elsewhere, he'll just....not appear until the next spinoff. :p
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Waluigi is the definition of filler character. I have no beef with him popping up in Mario sports and party titles. That's his role.
I do however, have a problem with people who claim he's either 1) a good character or 2) an interesting character. He's been around for at least a decade now and what do we know of him? He doesn't like Luigi. Oh boy, isn't that something. At least Wario has become his own man. Waluigi has done nothing to stand out from the cast and remains the same inverted stereotype he was when he first debuted.
I would probably be indifferent if he was killed off or not, but if they want to keep him around, at least give him something to add to his profile aside from Wario's eternal partner in multiplayer mode.
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I'd like to see him outside of the spin-off games, maybe in Luigi's next solo adventure (if he has one). Otherwise, I'd like to see him killed off (and the same goes for Daisy as well).
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Daisy has been in more than just spinoffs though (at least one more..) Remember Super Mario Land? That's one more than Waluigi has had. I don't hate any of the 'just spinoff' characters, since they could be thrown into any other game and given a chance for character development.
I am all for more playable characters, as long as it doesn't involve 3 forms of Mario, and Petey Pirahna. Bluh!
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Funny, my brother and dad used to play Mario Superstar Baseball sometimes, and my dad was interested in Waluigi because he'd never seen him before. He mentioned that he was at a gathering (forget whether it was a party or a golf retreat or what) and one of the other fathers played a Mario sports game with his son, and they soon were talking about Waluigi. This actually inspired a username I used at another website, "Meister Waluigi". I would've used Reading if I'd planned on staying there longer, but as it turned out, I'm still there, and had my username changed a long time ago. :P Looks like Waluigi was a bit of a phenomenon for a while.
I don't mind Waluigi; I mean, whether they do it or not, he always has the potential for character development. Also, wasn't he in one of the microgames in Wario Ware: Smooth Moves? I haven't played that game, but I remember hearing it somewhere...
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Rosalina, maybe Daisy, and all the babies sans M/L can die for all I care, but give me more Waluigi any day.
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Rosalina is the best new character since E. Gadd.
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Rosalina...can die for all I care
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To take a leaf from Captain Jim's book.
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Rosalina...can die for all I care, but give me more Waluigi any day.
You best be trollin' boy.
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Rosalina is nothing short of awesome. She's a great addition to the Mario series. Waluigi, at this point anyway, might as well be fecal matter floating around.
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Rosalina is the most attractive addition to Mario since N64 Era Daisy. She should never die.
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I could care less if the Mario series ever has another "attractive" character. Also, to clarify, Waluigi is rather pointless as a spinoff character, but has an easily developable personality.
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Walugi is by far the most awkward character to be added to the Mario series. It's like Nintendo ran out of ideas when choosing him of something.
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These comics validate Waluigi's existence. http://www.brawlinthefamily.com/comic151.html
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00000003, 00000015, 00000016 are the truly funny ones there.
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You know, technically, Waluigi did die..
The end of Super Mario Galaxy had the universe recreate itself. In fact, I think it's safe to assume that the entire Mario cast bit the dust at that point in time..
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I like Waluigi. I know he hasn't really done anything other than play roster filler, and Wario's Luigi/Luigi's Wario, but because his character is so flat, it has potential for expansion. I don't want him to have a playable role in a non-spinoff, but I would like to see him as a supporting character or cameo in an RPG, Wario Ware, or Wario Land someday.
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Just die, Waluigi. :\
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Daisy has been in more than just spinoffs though (at least one more..) Remember Super Mario Land? That's one more than Waluigi has had.
And what exactly has she done since then (apart from playing tennis and the like)? Even Tangata (the alien who kidnapped her in SML) has had more 'main game' appearences than her (as the boss of the Space Zone in SML2).
So in that respect she's pretty much the female version of Waluigi.
Anyway, I fail to see why Nintendo didn't just shoehorn him into one of the WarioWare games...I mean, it'd make sense (more than some of the WarioWare gang at any rate).
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@Kojinka - exactly.
@Sqrt2 - I'd like to see him in something other than WarioWare and spinoffs, but you're definitely right about Daisy. And every successive apperance in a game, she seems to grow even more insane. (MP8, anyone?) Strangely enough, Waluigi seems to be taking quite a different turn, what with the rose in his victory pose in MP8. Reminds me of comic 0000017 (http://www.brawlinthefamily.com/comic151.html) here, and vice versa.
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I renew my objection to Nintendo just making up new characters. There's tons of them! Why in the world do you need to make more up? Waluigi? TOADETTE? LIke...wow! What were they thinking. I hope somebody got fired for that.
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Daisy was in... no, wait, Pauline was in Donkey Kong '94 and the original Donkey Kong. So is Pauline another Waluigi?
As for Waluigi making as much sense as the WarioWare characters... yeah, I agree, these guys came out of nowhere. But at least they have enjoyable interjections when you win/lose games. I'd go crazy from Waluigi sounds. And I like Dribble and Spitz. That reminds me, one YouTuber comment said that the Fudgehog noises in the Fudgehog romance dance for "Viva Pinata" sounded like Waluigi. They really do. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEryZbYo9lY) If I had to hear that in WarioWare... ugh.
And I second bullykoopa. When I saw that a decent portion of the cast for the new Mario Kart game (or baseball game or whatever it was) was just baby versions of characters, I threw my hands up in defeat. Toadette was pretty ridiculous, but Baby Daisy... there better be an upcoming Yoshi's Island game with all these babies just to give them a reason for existing.
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... there better be an upcoming Yoshi's Island game with all these babies just to give them a reason for existing.
No please. Look at what happened with YI:DS. I'm pretty sure more babies won't make it any better.
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Funny how people actually care about Waluigi when he's never done anything of note.
Guess in another couple of years, we'll have Baby apologists as well as Toadette fans.
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I don't know why people keep saying he has room for personality and stuff. I sure as heck don't want to see him put in a place of more prominence.
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Depends on what you mean by prominent. He'd probably be fine as a recurring boss type guy or something alongside Wario in an RPG. As of now, they could stand to just make him the villain of the spinoff games. Mario Party 3 and DDR: Mario Mix sorta had that line of thinking,
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really? They made a baby daisy? WOW! That's just...........sad.
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Next thing you know they'll make a Baby Waluigi. And a Baby Birdo...and a Baby Petey Piranha...and a Baby Kamek...
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Canonically there can never be a baby Kamek for it to be a Yoshi's Island + Baby Mario game.
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Canonically there can never be a baby Kamek for it to be a Yoshi's Island + Baby Mario game.
I'm sure they could find a way (such as a rip in the space-time continuum, or something).
And who says it has to be a Yoshi's Island game anyway?
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A game that was actually set in the time period when Kamek was a baby could be pretty interesting.
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Canonically there can never be a baby Kamek for it to be a Yoshi's Island + Baby Mario game.
My thoughts exactly, and I don't wish to travel any farther back in time to obtain it.
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As far as Japan is concerned, wouldn't that just be Baby Magikoopa?
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Waluigi and Toadette are at least halfway stand-able, but I agree that when over half the cast of a sports or kart game is baby characters, a line has to be drawn. It only makes sense in games that involve being in that time period (the YI games) or time travellling back (M&L2).
I really can't think of any Warioware characters that I would replace with Waluigi. Maybe he and Wario could just share a stage or something..? As long as Waluigi gets his own cool jacket and a couple of new voice clips..
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A game that was actually set in the time period when Kamek was a baby could be pretty interesting.
A game about Mario's father....?
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A game about Mario's father....?
All we ever saw of Mario [and Luigi's] parents were their legs. Stupid thing cartoons always do because they're too lazy to give human's an upper body.
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Or they just like to make people think "I wonder what they really look like..?"
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Or they just like to make people think "I wonder what they really look like..?"
And it is a horrid practice that needs to go away from entertainment.
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It's called a gag. Cartoons are supposed to have gags. You're an idiot.
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Easy now! There's no need to call him an idiot.
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, even if it is wrong.
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It's a stupid opinion if I've ever heard one.
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Toad is right. If it's The Chef's opinion that someone is an idiot, no one can force him to believe otherwise.
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Look... I can understand it if the gag in question were like violent slapstick or offensive politically incorrect jokes, but saying that the old "parents' faces go unseen" gag is "a horrid practice that needs to go away from entertainment" is utterly ridiculous.
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It's called a gag. Cartoons are supposed to have gags. You're an idiot.
It is a cruel gag at that.
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I blame Charles Shultz.
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I blame Bill Shultz (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2hVLEPMf-Y). Those eyes are just unnatural.
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I blame Ed Shultz. Whoever that is.
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It is a cruel gag at that.
You're a cruel gag. 9_9
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Why is the word for a cheap joke the same word for a way to choke somebody? Well, what do you get when you combine "cheap" and "joke"?
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I blame Charles Shultz.
Ironically adults WERE eventually given faces. Watch "Bon Voyage Charlie Brown (and don't come back!)" for proof.
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Bon Voyage Charile Brown and the other specials are considered non-canon with the Peanuts comics. So nyer.
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You're a cruel gag. 9_9
Now, I may not be a big fan of Tv_Themes either, but let's not go bashing him in his own topic. I know I'm not a mod or anything, but can I just say that I feel you're taking it overboard? Thank you.
No offense, Tv_Themes. Some of your topics/things that you talk about are cool, but the rest have been kinda meh. Don't let my opinion affect you. I'm just some random internet user.
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I think Waluigi is funny, especially during the Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour intro. Also, I've played Warioware Touched and consider it one of the better DS games I've touched (no pun intended).
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As ive said on other forums, i never knew so many people hated him.
I like him. He's awesome.
I dont want them to just cast away a character anyway, even if i didnt like them.
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It just occured to me that he looks like the Bowler Hat Guy from Meet the Robinsons, not that has anything to do with whether he should stay or not.
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And, in turn the Bowler Hat Guy looks like Dastardly Dick (who I believe Waluigi was compared to around here at some point) or whoever, or one of those guys who ties women to railroad tracks. I think Waluigi's appearance is kind of based on that, uh, "look".
On a briefly off-topic note, is Meet the Robinsons any good?
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His name is so uncreative. Waluigi? Why not Waligi? I mean, it sounds dumb still, but they didn't name Wario Wamario. I mean, just stupid. He's not in any real mario games though, so I don't really mind him.
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Will your second post be about how you hate Mario is Missing and feel like telling the whole world?
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I think I can agree with most people in this topic. Waluigi is a funny character and not meant to be taken seriously, so I have nothing against him. I don't really see how one can harbor such hatred for something so insignificant. I could see if Nintendo decided to make an entire game starring Waluigi and it turned out to be really terrible, then I could understand hating him so much. But as it stands, Waluigi is basically just one big joke. There's nothing to really hate about him. He has a stupid name? Fine, that's a fair assessment. They made him up just for spinoffs? Okay, it's true. But none of these complaints are really anything I could see someone truly feeling that strongly about him. Since Mario Tennis on N64 I've never liked Waluigi in particular, but I don't dislike the guy. He's just sorta there doing his own thing while I play as Luigi and Boo and Daisy most of the time.
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Will your second post be about how you hate Mario is Missing and feel like telling the whole world?
Side Note: I actually like Mario is Missing.
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That explains a lot.
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Side Note: I actually like Mario is Missing.
The only thing good bout the game is the cathcy music.
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Mario is Missing will always have a special place in my heart. I was pretty lousy at games as a kid, and I also liked Luigi a lot more than Mario. Then one day at the game rental place that we often frequented, we found a game starring Luigi. That and the fact that I could play it, and that it helped me out a couple times when playing along with Jeopardy, were enough to make me rent it probably upwards of twenty times, until I finally beat it on the day it was due back that twenty-somethingth time. And one day while we were there to pick it up again, we found Mario RPG, my mom and I got hooked on it, and we went out and bought it soon afterward. I have a hard time going back to Mario is Missing now, but I'll never abandon it. And yes, the music is awesome.
I wish someone would make a sequel to Mario is Missing that was more of an actual game. It could still have the quiz questions and stuff, but with actual levels. And more emphasis on the "figuring out where you are so you can send Yoshi there" element, with a lot more difficulty to it.
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I don't want waluigi to die. He's a pretty decent character. :D
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Mario is Missing was just so much fun because you travelled around the world with it.
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I have played MiM. It was baaaad.
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Mario is Missing was just so much fun because you travelled around the world with it.
You hate Wario Ware but you like Mario is Missing?
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Before Wario Ware, Wario was set up to be a greedy treasure hunter.
Before Mario is Missing, Luigi is set up to be... the 2nd player.
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So let me get this straight...
Mario is Missing is downright terrible, but you enjoy it because Luigi got to be the main character.
Wario Ware is completely awesome, but you hate it because Wario stopped treasure hunting.
What the ****?
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The only good thing about MiM is the music (and how cheesy the game is, I guess).
Wario didn't stop treasure hunting, he just wanted more treasure with less effort. So he started a company and hired a bunch of his friends (if that's what you want to call them) to make games for his company. He made only enough micro-games to get by with.
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Agreed, the music was very good in MiM.
But the Warioware series? I don't see the problem. I've loved the Warioware games, you don't like it because Wario doesn't hunt for treasure? I mean, it's your opinion, but come on! That's not much of a reason!
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He's still the greedy, ugly old man he always was!
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Tv_Themes, there are over 200 microgames in the first Wario Ware alone. Surely you enjoy at least one of them.
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I've never even played or owned any Wario Ware games.
To be honest, I am being unfair to the series, but the fact still stands that I didn't agree with the change of Wario's character. A lying, sneak thief just shouldn't turn his life around and become an honest business man.
If I had more money, I would buy a Wario Ware game but the present won't let me.
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If you played them you'd see that Wario is far from honest in them
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Ha! Nice one Toad. I forgot that was one of the questions. XD
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If I wasn't such a huge fan of Wario Land, I wouldn't complain nearly as much as I have.
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Give it a chance. I was skeptical at first myself. Play at least one round in any one game (ten or so microgames, plus the boss level). I can recommend either Wario Ware: Megamicrogames for GBA, or Wario Ware Smooth Moves for Wii (those are the two that I own, but I'm sure the others are just as good).
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I was always kind of like, "hey, they finally made a good game that has Wario in it."
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...the fact still stands that I didn't agree with the change of Wario's character. A lying, sneak thief just shouldn't turn his life around and become an honest business man.
Eh? Wario hasn't changed at all, making microgames is just one of his schemes to get rich! Wario will do just about anything for money, even if it means selling shamwows, or being in a Geico commercial.
He's still the greedy, ugly old man he always was!
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If they were going to go the route of giving Wario a new image, they should have at least done a format that wasn't already done to death. Don't even try to say the first WarioWare game wasn't based off Mario Party, the title even has "Party" in its name iirc.
While I gotta admit the idea of nothing but pits killing Wario in Wario Land 3 & 4 made no sense, it was still hella fun tackling enemies, riding Jet Pack hats, and breathing fire with the Dragon Hat.
In fact, I'd say Wario Land Wario would have a better moveset in Super Smash Bros Brawl than WarioWare Wario.
Neutral B: Dragon Wario
Up B: Jet Wario
Down B: Fart Attack (this can stay)
Smash B: Bull Wario Tackle
Final Smash: Wario Man (Master of Disguise was only bad because Wario's image was already tarnished by that factory)
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- That's the second WarioWare game
- It was based on Mario Artist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FoB3n1kxrY)
- It also evolved out of the minigames in Wario Land 4
- Wario had hit points and could be killed by enemies in 4 (and probably 3, though I haven't played it recently enough to remember)
- Wario-Man is from WarioWare Touched
- Master of Disguise was bad because it was bad.
- Wario World and Wario Land Shake were good, though
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So wait, he thinks Mega Party Games (which has no board game features at all) is based on Mario Party because it has four-player microgames?
Also, you want Wario to be lying sneaky cheating (LIKE GETTING A BUNCH OF PEOPLE TO MAKE STUFF FOR HIM SO HE CAN TAKE THE CREDIT) and yet you don't want his image "tarnished"????
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Alright, this is getting out of hand (and just so I don't look like a sore loser, I AM WRONG :D), this thread went from talking about how useless Waluigi is to a sequel to Yoshi's Island DS to me saying how they should retire the "Adults faces go unseen" act to me liking Mario is Missing and finally to another darned debate about WarioWare.
If I want to dislike WarioWare but like Mario is Missing, let me. We are entitled to our own opinion, even if its wrong.
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No. you're not allowed to dislike WarioWare until you frzking play it.
And CrossEyed is right. Wario-Man is from WarioWare... Twisted!, actually. In which he had a red mustache. I liked the red mustache.
Edit: Also SSBB Wario's moveset has practically nothing to do with WarioWare, except his bike.
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Some of his moves come from Wario Land: Shake It!.
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No. you're not allowed to dislike WarioWare until you frzking play it.
Alright, I'll play it one of these days, probably the one that uses the balance board.
And how can Wario's moveset come from a game that wasn't around at the time yet?
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And CrossEyed is right. Wario-Man is from WarioWare... Twisted!, actually.
I thought so. I need to play that.
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Speaking of Twisted, I loved how everyone thought that title was so "innovative."
*coughkirbystiltntumblecough*
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Wrong again Mr. Know-It-All. Rotating and tilting are very, very different.
Twisted! is the best WarioWare game. It's harder to get the hang of it though, and sometimes the gyroscope gets a little funky. Don't play it in a car.
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I never claimed to be a know-it-all!
But my point was, they already did the whole "move the Game Boy" gimmick with Kirby.
But I find it really hilarious that Twisted came out so late in the GBA's life. Poor Mother 3 got left on one side of the pond.
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- It was based on Mario Artist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FoB3n1kxrY)
That vid just blew my mind.
Alright, I'll play it one of these days, probably the one that uses the balance board.
Uuuuryaaa!
I never claimed to be a know-it-all!
You are a know-absolutely-nothing.
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Twisted wasn't nearly as late as Final Fantasy VI.
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You are a know-absolutely-nothing.
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There should be a Balance Board WarioWare game, though.
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I thought Smooth Moves was the Balance Board version. o_O
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The Balance Board wasn't even out yet.
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Smooth Moves would be a good one to try first though.
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Really, it seems like games that are incredibly late in a console's life should be the better games because there's more familiarity with the hardware and because more people have the console so they can be marketed more to a specialty audience since a larger portion of that audience will have the console than early in the console's life. But maybe I'm spewing poop logic. At least I like WarioWare more than some throwaway edutainment game.
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I second Lizard Dude's notion that Wario Ware is one of the neatest new series to pop up in videogamedom in the past few years or so.
And TV Themes, no offense, but you really don't seem to know much about anything you're talking about. Perhaps it would be best if you paid Wikipedia a visit. Afterwards, go play all five Wario Ware games.
Speaking of all five, I was very disappointed that Wario Ware Snapped didn't at least have enough microgames to vary slightly from playthrough to playthrough. But the fact that it's the same 5 or so games in every set makes it incredibly repetitive. Good thing it was basically free with the DSi.
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Waluigi is a pointless character that only appears in Mario sports games. And in those sports game, how many of you play as him?
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*facepalm*
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And in those sports game, how many of you play as him?
I do. He's absolutely hilarious, especially in Mario Strikers.
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Waluigi is a pointless character that only appears in Mario sports games. And in those sports game, how many of you play as him?
Speak for yourself. You're just some two-bit enemy drone variant that appeared as part of a mini-game in ONE game.
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You could say the same about lots of chracters in Mario. And technically Waluigi has been in more than just sports games. It's kind of arbitrary to categorize characters as being "pointless" in a game series like Super Mario Bros. Even so, Waluigi provides some hilariously edgy vulgarity to an otherwise overly-child-friendly line of games.
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Just to clear up some things once and for all:
--There was no life meter in any of the Wario games until WL4.
--Touched came before Twisted (so Wario Man was in Touched first), but Twisted was severely delayed to space out the two (also, Twisted is probably my favorite WarioWare, though I still can't beat the Wario Mambo on my own).
--Though there might as well be a WarioWare game that utilizes the Balance Board, Smooth Moves didn't (primarily for the reason stated by The Chef).
Regarding Tv Themes:
--Incredibly short, increasingly fast, rapidly repeating minigames have been done to death?
--The first WarioWare game doesn't have "Party" in the title, nor is a Nintendo game with multiplayer that features Mario-related characters automatically a Mario Party clone.
--A game that uses controls similar to a game that came long before it isn't a rip-off.
Also, I would like to try Shake It eventually but don't feel like paying $50 for it based on what I know about it so far.
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And how can Wario's moveset come from a game that wasn't around at the time yet?
Have you ever played as Wario in Brawl? His victory theme comes DIRECTLY FROM Wario Land: Shake It!
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His victory theme comes directly from Wario Land as a series, and happened to be used in Wario Land Shake It since it's... well, part of that series.. It's a recurring song from the older games. It was even used in Mario Tennis 64.
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What!? No it isn't! I can tell you right now that victory song has not appeared anywhere except Brawl and the stage it was taken from in Shake It!
Do me a favor and show me where it appears in all the previous Wario Land games and I'll shut up.
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I do. He's absolutely hilarious, especially in Mario Strikers.
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That pose is so 1998.
And I see my title was altered :(
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That pose is so 1998.
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Wasn't it "Stone Cold" Steve Austin that popularized that "motion?" I haven't seen anyone imitating that pose since 1998. I was in Jr. High at the time (yes, I'm that old) and all the barely adolescent males my age were imitating it so much.
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Once again, TV Themes continues to not know what he's talking about.
It was Triple H and the rest of Degeneration-X that invented that pose, for your own edification.
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Wasn't it "Stone Cold" Steve Austin that popularized that "motion?"
Like The Chef said, Shawn Michaels and Triple H popularized that motion. They still use it occasionally.
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Well, in that case, it was likely a misunderstanding. See, at the time I lived in a more recluse town.
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Was Shake It even out when Brawl was released?
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No. But Brawl used a snippet from Shake It!'s soundtrack for Wario's victory tune.
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Just because it wasn't out doesn't mean most of it wasn't completed.
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Hmm, actually Chef now that you've called me out on it, the song I was thinking of is not as similar as I had imagined. My mistake. But I'm still fairly sure I heard that music used in an earlier Wario game.
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And if we aren't down with that, I guess Waluigi's got two words for us.
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"Get out"?
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"Wa. WA!"
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"Eat me."
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"Destroy WarioWare" (two words)
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Play WarioWare
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"I like bagels!"
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Play WarioWare
When cheaper.
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When Cheaper? The original game's been out for years. You can find it at a number of places for like $5 bucks.
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I can't believe this thread is still alive!
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Should this thread just die?
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No, its always so much fun to see what the new topic will be.
Topics so far:
- Me thinking Waluigi is useless.
- A Mario game starring Mario's father.
- Me thinking they should ban the act of keeping adults faces hidden in cartoons.
- People blaming Charles Shultz, Bill Shultz and Ed Shultz (whoever that is).
- Me saying that adults in Peanuts cartoons were eventually given faces and voices.
- Me liking Mario is Missing (a bad game) but hating WarioWare (a good game).
- A picture from Super Paper Mario
- I thought Smooth Moves used the Wii Balance Board.
- Two words a post.
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No, its always so much fun to see what the new topic will be.
Topics so far:
- Me thinking Waluigi is useless.
- A Mario game starring Mario's father.
- Me thinking they should ban the act of keeping adults faces hidden in cartoons.
- People blaming Charles Shultz, Bill Shultz and Ed Shultz (whoever that is).
- Me saying that adults in Peanuts cartoons were eventually given faces and voices.
- Me liking Mario is Missing (a bad game) but hating WarioWare (a good game).
- A picture from Super Paper Mario
- I thought Smooth Moves used the Wii Balance Board.
- Two words a post.
- listing the different subjects that have been discussed here
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When Cheaper? The original game's been out for years. You can find it at a number of places for like $5 bucks.
Not Gamestop, those greedy B-tards refuse to sell (used) Pokemon Fire Red for less than $30.
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This just in: Pokemon prices directly reflect the price of WarioWare games.
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They only over charge for the old Pokemon games and some of the newer releases. You should be able to find the first Wario Ware for a good price.
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I want to destroy Tv_Themes.
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Actually, I don't think I've ever been so angry at a member here before.
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Jeez, guys, cut him some slack. You'll attract more flies with honey than you will with
Wario's farts vinegar.
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Do you people think I'm lying or something?
Alright, alright, next time I go to Gamestop, I'll see if they have a used GCN WarioWare, but I'll only buy it if it's less than $10.00 USD.
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That's not even the original.
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I know, but I dislike buying handheld versions of games if there is a home console one.
And I already know WarioWare Mega Party Games has more to do than the original GBA one.
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Way to miss the forest for the trees.
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Jeez, guys, cut him some slack. You'll attract more flies with honey than you will with Wario's farts vinegar.
I don't hate him if that's what you're thinking. My main problem with Tv_Themes is his constant complaining about one thing or another (Waluigi, Wario Ware, Bowser, Tatanga, etc.). Seriously Tv_Themes, is there anything you don't hate about the Mario series?
EDIT: Also, if Tv_Themes doesn't have the money to purchase Wario Ware, we shouldn't get mad at him for it. Same goes for his preference for home console games over handheld games.
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That's not the problem. You're allowed to dislike anything that you... dislike.
The problem is that as time goes on, Tv_Themes presents more and more of what he thinks is backing for his hatred of WarioWare, when all it really tells us is that his metaphorical tank of knowledge about WarioWare is dryer than Death Valley, making his opinions less and less justified with every post.
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Whether or not his opinions are wrong (which I have no way of knowing, having never played WarioWare myself), Tv_Themes has been taking a lot of insults and rudeness over the matter. Surely members of this board can make their points politely?
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I don't hate him if that's what you're thinking. My main problem with Tv_Themes is his constant complaining about one thing or another (Waluigi, Wario Ware, Bowser, Tatanga, etc.). Seriously Tv_Themes, is there anything you don't hate about the Mario series?
EDIT: Also, if Tv_Themes doesn't have the money to purchase Wario Ware, we shouldn't get mad at him for it. Same goes for his preference for home console games over handheld games.
Iirc, I only complained about how Tatanga was underused. I don't even remember complaining about Bowser either (Bowser Jr. maybe).
That's not the problem. You're allowed to dislike anything that you... dislike.
The problem is that as time goes on, Tv_Themes presents more and more of what he thinks is backing for his hatred of WarioWare, when all it really tells us is that his metaphorical tank of knowledge about WarioWare is dryer than Death Valley, making his opinions less and less justified with every post.
My main problem with WarioWare (as I've pointed out several times already) is that it puts off the Wario Land games, games I really enjoyed and wanted to see more of. I am a huge fan of side scrolling platformers. I'm so happy Starfy has finally made it to America.
Since its inception in 2003, WarioWare has come out with five titles. For six years, isn't that excessive?
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Sure it is. Nintendo is a company, a company founded to make money, money that can be made by milking a concept until customers are sick of it. As long as people still like the concept, the 'Ware games will continue, excessive or not.
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Well then, WarioWare does get credit for being different with each new game. Wish the same could be said for Pokemon.
But hold the phone, Wario Land has its differences with each new game! Wario Land 1 was just a basic platformer, same with Wario Land 2, but Wario Land 3 gave Wario that neat ability of getting power-ups from enemy attacks. Wario Land 4 was just WL3, but Shake It really played on the Wii's Remote functions.
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Thing about WarioWare is that they're actually fun games, as opposed to Mario Party and Pokemon.
I like Virtual Boy Wario Land, but I never could get into the other ones since I could never get past the controls.
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Pokemon is fun.
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Pokemon is too repetitive, but it causes chronic addiction!
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Admittedly, I'm talking about the battles and their epic slowness and clunky interface. Don't know too much about them otherwise.
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Define "controls" Chup. All the Wario Land games feel as smooth as butter to me.
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Admittedly, I'm talking about the battles and their epic slowness and clunky interface. Don't know too much about them otherwise.
I find the Pokemon interfaces very convenient and easy to use. The battles are only slow in the most recent generation, but they go by much faster if you turn off the Battle Animations. In addition, Pokemon games have some of the most in-depth gameplay I've ever seen in an RPG.
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They also over charge a lot of used GCN games. And I'm talking about the good games.
Er, on topic. I find the Pokemon formula to have been growing stale the past couple generations. Each generation is basically the same game but with better graphics and sound, more Pokemon, different badges and elite four, some new feature, and a different land/region. The storyline is the same. Train your pokemon to be the best, collect every species, defeat some criminal organization, collect 8 badges and defeat the elite four. Oh, and you have a rival running around.
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Ironic, then, that all I keep in the main series for is the remakes? I wouldn't mind Red and Green being remade every ten years forever, actually... I mean they make ten Dr. Marios every year, so...
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Way to miss the forest for the trees.
You called?
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I don't mind the remakes. I'm actually eager to for Heart Gold and Soul Silver.
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Kimimaru, play a 2D Final Fantasy and tell me even first-gen Pokemon is not slow as heck compared to it.
Kojinka, like which games? I have to tell you that generally the more well-regarded a game is, the more a person is going to pay for it. Same goes for popular games and kids' parents paying for them.
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Each generation is basically the same game but with better graphics and sound, more Pokemon, different badges and elite four, some new feature, and a different land/region.
Kind of like almost every sequel to every video game ever? That argument never works when used for any game series.
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Some franchises are able to keep with the formula but keep it fresh enough to make it enjoyable, while others get milked faster.
I liked R/S/E, but most of the pokemon of its generation didn't have the same charm that the first two had.
The only thing I liked about D/P was online trading and battling. By the time I reached the Elite Four, my party weren't at high enough levels, and it was taking forever to level them up. I got bored out of my mind, and set the game aside with little desire to pick it up again. The pokemon: very few of the new ones appealed to me, I'm afraid. I've heard Platinum was an improvement, but I'm going to wait for the price to go down before I buy it.
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By the time I reached the Elite Four, my party weren't at high enough levels
Neither were mine. One of the most fun Elite Four experiences I've had with any Pokémon game, because I didn't go back and powerlevel like some people would.
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Kimimaru, play a 2D Final Fantasy and tell me even first-gen Pokemon is not slow as heck compared to it.
Kojinka, like which games? I have to tell you that generally the more well-regarded a game is, the more a person is going to pay for it. Same goes for popular games and kids' parents paying for them.
I have played Final Fantasy II (IV in Japan), and I can say that the first generation of Pokemon games are faster, especially when you turn off Battle Animations. Also, unlike Final Fantasy II, the Pokemon games don't have you running into enemies way too strong for you when you advance to a new area.
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Obviously you didn't battle enough, then. At all.
And I didn't say anything about Battle Animations.
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didn't battle enough
This is where every defense of traditional JRPGs falls apart. Anything involving battling more enemy drones than you normally encounter on the way through an area should be optional (or not be present at all) and should not be a requirement to advance the story.
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Obviously you didn't battle enough, then. At all.
And I didn't say anything about Battle Animations.
Oh, I did all right. Even though I leveled up a lot of times, the boss of the area still had an edge over me.
I realize that you didn't bring up Battle Animations, but turning off the Battle Animations in a Pokemon game shortens the length of the battles.
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Comparing Pokémon to Final Fantasy IV is really like comparing McDonalds to gourmet food. Or at least Fuddruckers. And in all fairness, Final Fantasy IV is more than just silly grinding and fighting. You have to use tricks and strategies against bosses or you won't be able to take them down with even the greatest amounts of brute force.
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Warp, while I personally agree that too much grinding is just bothersome, it wouldn't be a game at all if you didn't have to do something. Furthermore, RPGs don't need defense. They're doing fine on their own.
I still don't know how Japan loves Dragon Quest (king of grinding and 0% story) so much though.
Lastly, Kimimaru was playing the easy easy Final Fantasy II SNES and is complaining about this?
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Before Kimimaru gets bashed too much for his JRPG "skills", I'd like to mention that he's the most skilled gamer on the FF in my mind.
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From what I've seen, as far as action-type games go, mos def.
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I'm not saying that the game is too hard, I'm saying that the strength of the enemies in new areas of the game rises too drastically. I like how the Mario RPGs have a more gradual approach to the increase in enemy strength.
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Whatever you do, don't play Mother.
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I've already played and beaten all 3 Mother games.
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Too many posts while I'm typing. I'd never survive on 4chan.
Kimimaru does indeed kick ass when it comes to traditional platformers, and I agree with him that more JRPGs need to take a similar approach to the Mario RPGs (that is, steady increase in enemy levels rather than a drastic jump).
JRPGs (Chupperson, stop not specifying as if Japan is the only country that makes games in that genre) are doing fine because the big names that sell the most here have largely moved from turn-based to ATB, variants of ATB, or full real-time combat. How many copies of the fully turn-based Dragon Quest VIII sold in the US? How many of those were because of the Final Fantasy XII demo?
As far as Japan goes, Dragon Quest has the art, music, and tradition going for it in a way Final Fantasy hasn't for years.
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Topics so far:
- Me thinking Waluigi is useless.
- A Mario game starring Mario's father.
- Me thinking they should ban the act of keeping adults faces hidden in cartoons.
- People blaming Charles Shultz, Bill Shultz and Ed Shultz (whoever that is).
- Me saying that adults in Peanuts cartoons were eventually given faces and voices.
- Me liking Mario is Missing (a bad game) but hating WarioWare (a good game).
- A picture from Super Paper Mario
- I thought Smooth Moves used the Wii Balance Board.
- Two words a post.
- listing the different subjects that have been discussed here
- Comparing Pokemon to Final Fantasy IV for no reason
- Chup insulting Mother
:)
Anyway, I really wasn't a big RPG fan, despite the fact one of my favorite video games of all time is Super Mario RPG. I just think the whole "Medieval Knights with Swords" plot-line used in almost all of them is too overused.
At least Mother was different.
Edit: By the way, I picked up WarioWare GCN just now, when I get home, I'll try it...
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Final Fantasy got rid of the traditional Medieval theme in some of their more recent game to a more sci-fi look, which I personally don't associate with the term "Fantasy".
And if you don't like Medieval themed games with Swords, don't play Zelda.
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Final Fantasy has had advanced technology since the first game, although probably started being more pronounced in FFIV or so. I wonder if you got that far in it.
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Flying boats are pretty advanced, indeed.
The first MOTHER game... I wish I could love it but it's too primitive in construction. The concept and writing were normal for the time I guess, but way ahead of the era the interface came from... heh heh. It and EarthBound need enhanced remakes. For the 1 + 2 fan translation, Tomato's looking at making an option for enhanced or regular graphics in MOTHER, but what I'm thinking more about is completely ditching everything number-related and redoing the whole game. Take the plot and characters and build the rest over again (the script could use more flavor, in fact), ideally with MOTHER 3's level of animation detail and that fancy rhythm battle system (which I am naturally horrible at). EarthBound being my favorite of the series for different reasons, I wish were that up-to-date as well. But last I checked, the translated MOTHER 3 is in no condition for hacks of that persuasion.
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This post could make me the next TV_Themes, but I led a good life here.
I played partway through FFIII DS, and I think the most advanced piece of technology I saw was the airship. And that was fine. Everything else felt like a middle ages setting with magic, which is what I associate with the game's theme. Even the airship fit in. There might be other gadgets like that, but if there was, I either don't remember, or I didn't get far enough in it before I lent it to a kid who never gave it back.
I watched maybe the last half or third of Advent Children, and the setting was way too futuristic for me. I guess the definition of 'fantasy' is vague enough, but for some reason, my view of the term is, unfortunately, a bit narrow, so seeing it mixed with a futuristic sci-fi setting on Advent Children left me with a bitter taste. That or the FF7 fanbase.
Saw a little bit of a playthrough or review of FF9, and it actually looked like something I'd enjoy.
My boyfriend plays FFXI, and I'd play that with him if I had a job to pay the monthly fee.
I'd even give FFVII a try if copies of it weren't so freaking expensive. If I like it, I would probably be in the group of people who like something, but hate the fanbase (at least those that give the game more praise than necessary). If I hate it, I would be armed with legitimate complaints.
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Yeah, like I said there's not much technology in the first few games. VI is where it really takes off and VII is some kind of weird hybrid game that ended up the way it did due to its position in the technological timeline. It definitely isn't the best one of the series, but it's decent enough. I've heard many people say IX is "the best" but I haven't played it yet. My vote goes to XII. Dunno why you watched Advent Children though... I wouldn't have recommended seeing it until you played through VII.
Why do you hate futuristic settings though?
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I don't think there's been a single JRPG I've played that doesn't combine old-type fantasy with futuristic settings. I say this thinking of Tales of Symphonia I and II which I played recently thanks to my apartment members.
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Yeah, like I said there's not much technology in the first few games. VI is where it really takes off and VII is some kind of weird hybrid game that ended up the way it did due to its position in the technological timeline. It definitely isn't the best one of the series, but it's decent enough. I've heard many people say IX is "the best" but I haven't played it yet. My vote goes to XII. Dunno why you watched Advent Children though... I wouldn't have recommended seeing it until you played through VII.
Why do you hate futuristic settings though?
I don't mind them at all. In fact, I kind of like futuristic settings at times. I just kind of prefer more themes along the lines of old type fantasy when it comes to something with "Fantasy" in the title or genre. I don't mind having a few technologically advanced things mixed in, but FF7 has too much for me. The writers can put as much futuristic setting in there as they want, and it's great when done right. So, I like both; I just don't like how FFVII fused them (probably because the only FFVII related deal I've ever seen was AC).
I had to watch AC because my boyfriend's anime club was watching it. Even before seeing any of it, it was one of the last movies I wanted to see.
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FFIX is a return to the older style of Final Fantasy games, so it's really reminiscent of the first five games, maybe a little bit of VI. But I've gotta admit that the setting of a game really doesn't affect my view on it as long as it's a good game.
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And definitely not whether it reflects the title. I mean you're considering a game with the word "final" and the number seven in the same title.
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'final' has nothing to do with genres, though.
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Pretty much never played Final Fantasy, played lots of Pokemon. The latter is very addictive, even though every entry is pretty much the same as the last. In what Nintendo series isn't that the case, though?
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I think the appeal to games like Animal Crossing or Pokemon that are each similar to the last title in the series is that they never play through quite the same way. Not to sound sappy or anything, but the experience is what matters, and the experience can differ greatly with each new title.
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even though every entry is pretty much the same as the last. In what Nintendo series isn't that the case, though?
Donkey Kong?
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Ah, good point. I suppose that's because there has practically never been two games in a row by the same developer since the DKC series, though. Seems ironic to me that the first of Nintendo's modern mascots now tends gets the short end of the stick when it comes to getting into Grade-A games.
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That might be because the one developer that dug it out of the ground and brought it back to life is now working for another company.
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So you're saying that when a franchise loses its prime developer it uncontrollably jumps from dev to dev from there on out? I mean, I guess that kind of makes sense, but I'm genuinely not clear if that's what you're trying to convey.
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That's EXACTLY what happened. Are you daft?
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Who's asking what happened? I know "what happened", but I just don't know if the two things have to be connected.
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Are you daft?
Not as daft as someone helping someone else find the secret page.
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It looks like a sidewalk...
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It wasn't help, per se, as much as a hint. It's still greatly appreciated, Chef. Even if you're banned forever and shunned by your formers friends at TMK, it was for a good cause. :'D
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I stopped caring about the secret page over a year ago.
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All I ask for is not a hint as to where it is, but rather whether there's a secret (series of) link(s) to it somewhere or if you have to type in a special, specific URL.
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It's just a single, clickable link with a simple URL. As Deezer's oft-quoted riddle states,
"What once was lost, now is found. Or is it the other way around? Run to the end... Look to the sky... Don't try to jump, it's up way too high. Nine of us in all, unlocked by the sound."
The last four words are particularly significant. Being surrounded by mods, all I can say is that the riddle is to be understood in an in-game context. Hope it helps.
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Well, I've got some hunches... thanks.