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Video Games => Mario Chat => Topic started by: Luigison on May 18, 2012, 02:51:29 PM
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I may have rose tinted glasses when discussing previous Mario titles. For this reason I have decided to replay the core/canon Mario series games, but have found many different lists of what is core/canon. What do you consider the core/cannon or main line of Mario games?
MB
SMB
SMB2j?
SMB2USA?
SMB3
SMW
SMW2?
SM64
SMS
NSMB
SMG
SMG2
SM3DL
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What bout Paper Mario, Mario Party, and the GB Land games?
Full list: http://themushroomkingdom.net/games/list
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I've always considered both SMB2s canon, but I don't know if I consider SMW2 to be part of the series due to the subtitle and ensuing sequels being under a different name. I like to consider SML/SML2 part of the canon as well, though I suppose you could use the same argument there (SML3: Wario Land and subsequent). And if NSMB is canon, I don't see why NSMBW shouldn't be considered so as well.
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All the "normal" games (Donkey Kong, Mario Bros., all the SMBs, the SMLs, World, Yoshi's Island, Galaxies, etc), I count as absolute canon. Also canon is the fact that Mario enjoys racing, playing golf, tennis, and other various sports as well as board games, although not necessarily everything that is said or done in the games about those things.
I see Paper Mario and Mario & Luigi as existing in their own alternate realities, like the Marvel multiverse. A lot is the same. Bowser kidnaps Peach all the time, the Mario Bros. are renowned heroes, Yoshis live on islands, doodle dee doo dah. But they've got such unique feels to them and each seems to have rules that the others break. Luigi is a chatterbox in PM, doesn't say a word in M&L; meanwhile, both are free to talk in the main series. In both RPG series Mario's hammer is nearly as iconic as his jump, but he rarely uses 'em in the main series. Yoshis clearly speak whatever language everybody else is using in Paper Mario, but are restricted to "Yoshi" everywhere else. The rules of the fiction just don't agree.
And Super Mario RPG is in the same canon as Final Fantasy.
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I wouldn't say the racing/sports/board games are canon, as the villains are cast as mutual competitors rather than antagonists. Also Waluigi.
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Anything that allows you to freely control Mario with "Super Mario" in the title but not "Kart" or "Strikers"
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Everything is canon.
Everything.
Well maybe not. If anything the licensed games like Mario is Missing! and Hotel Mario are part of the Super Show continuity. Or something. I dunno.
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Yoshis clearly speak whatever language everybody else is using in Paper Mario, but are restricted to "Yoshi" everywhere else. The rules of the fiction just don't agree.
“I know! We should team up! Come on! Hop on
my back!”
—Yoshi , Super Mario Galaxy 2
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Didn't Yoshi speak to you in the original Mario World, for that matter?
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Yep. The first time you find him he talks. He's also able to talk to you in Super Mario RPG (in parenthesis the whole time, and he's the ONLY Yoshi you can understand), Super Mario 64 ("It that really you?"), and I guess Tetris Attack if that counts (Mario's not in it so we don't know if he's speaking English or a language that only the other YI characters can understand).
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Maybe Mario is a Yoshi whisperer.
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I prefer to not consider SMG2 canon, but nothing else springs to mind.
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The Super Show is canon, no argument.
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I don't know what to think of the whole "SMG2 is SMG redone after Rosalina dropped a Reset Bomb" idea. I see both games as having happened and am not convinced Bowser's Galaxy Reactor even could have destroyed the universe in the first place, because that's stupid bull[dukar]. There's not really a whole lot of support to the idea anyway, besides the opening apparently having Mario meet the white Luma for the first time... which doesn't look that strange compared to some games seeing fit to have a character remind Mario how to jump
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Maybe there are multiple Marios like how there are multiple Links which all happen to wear the exact same clothes at some point and have the exact same voice.
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that's even dumber
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Seeing as the entire Mario franchise is thinly-veiled communist propaganda, perhaps the SMG/SMG2 paradox was intended as a lesson in blindly accepting historical revisionism, i.e. Doublethink.
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In chronological order, I think these are the Mario games that can fit into a single canon. The others would be alternate universes (part of another canon) or what-if scenarios. I'll list them in the order of which I think they occured.
-*Yoshi's Island
-Donkey Kong
-*DK Junior
-Mario Bros.
-Super Mario Bros/ *Lost levels (both part of the same conflict).
-Super Mario Bros. 2 (USA version)
-Super Mario Bros. 3
-Super Mario World.
-Super Mario 64.
-Luigi's Mansion
-Super Mario Sunshine.
-Super Mario Galaxy.
-*Super Mario Galaxy 2
* I feel that some of these may be contradictory to the other games. Yoshi's Island, for example, seems to suggest that Mario and Luigi are from Mushroom Land, while Donkey Kong and Mario Bros. seem to suggest that they're from the "Real World". Maybe they could have somehow wound up in the real world and then ended up coming back as adults, but I think that kinda overcomplicates things.
Donkey Kong Junior potrays Mario as the antagonist, which basically contradicts Mario's heroic and friendly personality. Maybe Mario had a good reason to do it, but again, I don't think it needs to be that complicated.
The Lost Levels (Japanese Super Mario Bros. 2) was so similar to Super Mario Bros. that I think they're actually the same story; one just has different levels and some slight graphical changes.
I think Super Mario Galaxy 2 is just a more light-hearted reimagination of the first Super Mario Galaxy. At the end of Super Mario Galaxy, Rosalina did that speech about the cycle of stars being reborn. Super Mario Galaxy 2, to me, is just that cycle. Maybe it will even lead to a canon split.
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Seeing as the entire Mario franchise is thinly-veiled communist propaganda, perhaps the SMG/SMG2 paradox was intended as a lesson in blindly accepting historical revisionism, i.e. Doublethink.
Holy hell, the man's got a point.
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Maybe they could have somehow wound up in the real world and then ended up coming back as adults, but I think that kinda overcomplicates things.
Finally someone who understands. 8D
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not convinced Bowser's Galaxy Reactor even could have destroyed the universe in the first place, because that's stupid bull[dukar]
It makes absolutely no scientific or logical sense, but it's also exactly the plot of J.J. Abrams's Star Trek movie, so I'd say it's not too bad for a Mario plot.
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Everything is canon.
Everything.
Well maybe not. If anything the licensed games like Mario is Missing! and Hotel Mario are part of the Super Show continuity. Or something. I dunno.
Pretty much this.
Mario's world is a place where pretty much anything can happen, be it an adventure, a dream, a play, a retelling of an adventure, or a gathering of well known figures to play sports, race or do party games together.
The only games that aren't canon in my opinion, are the licensed games and Super Smash Bros. And even Smash Bros now has it's own canon with the trophy world they showed us in Brawl.
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What's all this talk about "canon"? The Super Mario series has no officially recognised canon, thus this thread is nothing but pure fan-speculation.
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Speculation about what, exactly?
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Which Mario games are the core, apparently.
This one is easy to solve: How many Mario games have canons?