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Video Games => Mario Chat => Topic started by: Nintendo Bros. on June 27, 2006, 01:02:20 PM
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Okay, I think I found the true sequel to Super Mario 64, and that is Super Mario Sunshine. Think about it, Super Mario 64 takes place in Princess Peach's Castle, and all of the courses (except Rainbow Ride) are portels. In Super Mario Sunshine, the first few courses are portels. In might have been based on SM64. Also, do you remember the quote, "Wow! Another Power Star! You're gaining more power to the castle!". Well, in Super Mario Sunshine, the Shine Gate gets power from the Shine Sprites. They could've been based it on SM64 also. Also, I think that New Super Mario Bros. is the sequel to Super Mario Sunshine. In the ending to Super Mario Sunshine, he wants to fight Mario again when he's bigger. Well, 4 years later, captures the princess, and now he fights Mario more often. Alot of rumors say that:
Luigi's Mansion could be a sequel to Super Mario Sunshine because Mario could've been abducted by King Boo after his vacation.
That's not true because Luigi's Mansion was made way before Super Mario Sunshine.
Super Mario 64 DS is the sequel to Super Mario 64.
Not true. It's still a remake even though it has some big changes.
Now you maybe know.
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Was this trip really necessary?
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The Chef, if you don't post, the guy will get the idea and stop making threads like this.
I personally think you should lay off posting for awhile, you post on average 21 times a day (according to your profile). That's more than any other regular here.
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Dang.
I mean, dang.
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So I set a record, then? [/joke]
But in all seriousness, I guess I do post a lot, don't I?
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yeah,last week you had about 800 posts,and now like over 1000!And you've been only about a week here more than me.look at my profile and see the diffrence in the number of posts.Thats crazy.
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A lot. A lot. A lot. I hate it when people put the "A" and the "lot" together. Bugs me a lot.
Okay, I think I found the true sequel to Super Mario 64, and that is Super Mario Sunshine.
Super Mario 64 DS is the sequel to Super Mario 64.
What? Which one is it, then?
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Well, the Mario Timeline is so loose, there are lots of interpretations, this is the most accepted order: (Not counting spin-offs and remakes)
Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island>Yoshi's Story>Wrecking Crew>Donkey Kong>Donkey Kong Jr.>Mario Bros.>Return of the Mario Bros.>Super Mario Bros.>Super Mario Bros.:The Lost Levels>Super Mario Bros. 2>Super Mario Land>Super Mario Land 2: Six Golden Coins>Super Mario Bros. 3>Super Mario World>Yoshi's Safari>Wario's Woods>Super Mario RPG>Paper Mario>Super Mario 64>Luigi's Mansion>Super Mario Sunshine>Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga>Paper Mario: The Thousand Years Door>Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time>Super Princess Peach>New Super Mario Bros.>(Possibly Super Mario Galaxy)
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What I'd like to know is why everyone thinks that Mario RPGs anr't spin-offs?
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[qoute=Nintendo Bros.]Luigi's Mansion could be a sequel to Super Mario Sunshine because Mario could've been abducted by King Boo after his vacation.
That's not true because Luigi's Mansion was made way before Super Mario Sunshine.[/qoute]
So? Star wars 1,2 and 3 came after 4,5 and 6
How do we even know there saposed to be sequals?
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Yeah, but it says somewhere that "Mario took the vacation after Luigi's Mansion." I believe it's in the instruction booklet, but I'm not sure.
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What I'd like to know is why everyone thinks that Mario RPGs anr't spin-offs?
Well, I meant spin offs in the sense that they don't have impact on Mario's adventurey life, that's why I counted RPGs, Yoshi games and Yoshi's Safari.
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Okay, I think I found the true sequel to Super Mario 64, and that is Super Mario Sunshine. Think about it, Super Mario 64 takes place in Princess Peach's Castle, and all of the courses (except Rainbow Ride) are portels. In Super Mario Sunshine, the first few courses are portels. In might have been based on SM64. Also, do you remember the quote, "Wow! Another Power Star! You're gaining more power to the castle!". Well, in Super Mario Sunshine, the Shine Gate gets power from the Shine Sprites. They could've been based it on SM64 also. Also, I think that New Super Mario Bros. is the sequel to Super Mario Sunshine. In the ending to Super Mario Sunshine, he wants to fight Mario again when he's bigger. Well, 4 years later, captures the princess, and now he fights Mario more often. Alot of rumors say that:
Luigi's Mansion could be a sequel to Super Mario Sunshine because Mario could've been abducted by King Boo after his vacation.
That's not true because Luigi's Mansion was made way before Super Mario Sunshine.
Super Mario 64 DS is the sequel to Super Mario 64.
Not true. It's still a remake even though it has some big changes.
Now you maybe know.
No. No. No. No. Super Mario Sunshine is NOT the sequel to Super Mario 64! It has been confirmed that the true sequel to Super Mario 64 is Super Mario Galaxy (formerly named Super Mario 128). Just because SMS and SM64 have the same gameplay dosn't mean that they are sequels.
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Ta-Da! From Wikipedia.
Main series Donkey Kong | Mario Bros. | Super Mario Bros. | Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels (SMB2J) | Super Mario Bros. 2 | Super Mario Bros. 3 | Super Mario Land | Super Mario World | Super Mario Land 2 | Super Mario 64 | Super Mario Sunshine | New Super Mario Bros. | Super Mario Galaxy
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Face it people: Without strict references, there are no sequels. Only additions.
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Super Mario 64 DS is the sequel to Super Mario 64. It has some references in there that seem to support this.
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I still think that Super Mario Sunshine is the sequel to Luigi's Mansion, the manual of SMS says that Mario went in vacation after being imprisoned in a mansion, pretty much like Paper Mario is the prequel of Super Mario 64.
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I don't see how SMS could be a sequel to LM, as the gameplay and situations are completely different and unrelated (LM is action/adventure; SMS is action/platformer. The protaganist Luigi explores a mansion to save Mario; The protaganist Mario has to collect Shine Shrites.). A game that immediately follows another on a logical timescale does not make it a sequel, as making references to other games don't make them sequels neither.
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I think that you missed the meaning of sequel, a sequel is everything that goes after it (Luigi's Mansion) It doesn't matter if the player or gameplay are different.
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That doesn't change the fact that LM and SMS are independent games. Would you say that all of the games in the Mario series are sequels of one another?
SMS did not depend on LM to be created. M&LPiT was inspired by the concept and gameplay of M&LSS, so therefore PiT is a sequel to that. SMS is a sequel to SM64, as it shares the same concept and engine. Super Mario 128 (or at least Mario Galaxy) was inspired by Super Mario 64, as SM64 was created to be a new type of game, and Mario 128 was also intended to be a new type of game.
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The Mario games don't have a cohesive sense of continuity, and therefore - shock of all shocks - there are no actual Mario sequels ("sequel" being, literally, the next game in the STORYLINE). Just additions. Shigeru Miyamoto himself has said that he doesn't want the Mario games to have a true continuity, as that would complicate things and new player would've had to play the other games to understand the story.
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Well said, Glorb. You've got sequels of certain games here and there in the series, but even then, you don't even really have to play the first one to get the full effect of the second one. For example, I've never played the first Paper Mario (I know. Shame on me.). But I have played Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door, and I simply love the game. I didn't really miss anything much even though I've never played its proceeding game.
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Yeah, like The Legend of Zelda.
WTD do OoT and MM have to do with each other?!
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Really SMS kinda is the sequel to SM64 because SM64 is the 6th game and SMS is the 7th but SMS isn't the sequel to SM64. Really SM64 has no true sequel. It's just a line of cannon games. And also, who cares about what the sequel is to a game. It's like crying because you pinched yourself and it didn't hurt you at all. It's just a line of games. They have SMB then SMB2 then SMB3 then SMW then SMW2: Yoshi's Island then SM64 then SMS then SMG and beyond.
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Ah but then there's no fun on trying to make a nice ''Playing Order'' of the games.
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Yeah, like The Legend of Zelda.
WTD do OoT and MM have to do with each other?!
I think MM is the alternate universe counterpart of OOT.
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I don't think it was Nintendo's intention for any of the Mario games to follow one another anyway. They were just games with different plots and ideas in each one.
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Em... MM is a direct sequel to OOT.
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Yeah, like The Legend of Zelda.
WTD do OoT and MM have to do with each other?!
Everything. In fact, if I'm right those are the only two games that even feature the same Link. After he was sent back to the past in OoT to live out his childhood, Navi left with her deeds fulfilled. Link hung out with Zelda and stuff for 3 months and then decided to search for Navi (it's a fact folks, look it up (http://www.nintendo.com/gamemini?gameid=m-Game-0000-146)). That's when the Skull Kid ambushed him and MM began.
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No, there are more Zeldas that share the same Link.
Loz and AoL's Link are the same.
ALTTP and LA's Link are the same.
OOT and MM's Link are the same.
The Oracles' s Link are the same (Obviously)
TWW and PH's Link are the same.
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Adult OOT could be the same link in Zelda:TP.
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No, Nintendo said that it was a new Link.
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Oh
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SM64 DS isn't a remake of SM64. There's a whole different plot: Yoshi has to rescue Mario, Luigi, and Wario from Goomba King, King Boo, and king Chilly. Not to mention, there are 30 more power stars, collectible mini-games, new levels, multiplayer...I could go on and on.
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I'm beginning to think the sequal problems haven't been solved yet.
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Yes, I realized that SM64DS is very diferent to SM64, in my particular Mario ''Game Order'' theory I put SM64DS right after SM64, and no, my ''Game Order'' isn't the one that I included earlier, my game order includes the spin-offs.
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As far as I can tell, Super Mario 64 and Super Mario 64 DS are different versions of the same point in time.
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My game order:
·Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island and Yoshi's Touch and Go
Ok... These go here for obvious reasons, Yoshi's Touch and Go happens inside SMW2.
·Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time Past
Just the past parts on this game, after this, the fathers of the Mario Bros. send them to friends in Brooklyn to protect them from Bowser and the Shroobs.
·Yoshi's Story
The destruction of Yoshi's Island in this game explains why it's different from the SMW's Yoshi's Island.
·Tetris Attack
Bowser attacks Yoshi again, presumably the Yoshi that saved Yoshi' s Island and that will be Mario' s friend on SMW
·Wrecking Crew
The Mario Bros. get a job in Brooklyn as demolishers, their boss, Foreman Spike, tries to kill them for no apparent reason.
·Donkey Kong 3
Donkey Kong, an ape from the Mushroom Kingdom, escapes to Brooklyn and bothers Mario's stepcousin, Stanley, after the incident, Mario takes DK to the jungle to kill him.
·Donkey Kong Jr.
DK's son rescues him from Mario, Mario is knocked out, and the DK' s capture Pauline, Mario's girlfriend.
·Donkey Kong
They are the first four levels of Donkey Kong '94...
·Donkey Kong '94
Mario chases Donkey Kong and Pauline for all the earth, at the end, Mario finally beats DK, and Pauline shows Mario the entrance to a whole new world, the Mushroom Kingdom World. This is the first time (Storywise) that Mario is in Super Mario form.
·Mario Bros. and Return of the Mario Bros.
There were lots of pipes on the way to Mushroom World, and lots of monsters, this is the first time that Mario and Luigi fight with Koopa's army.
·Super Mario Bros.
Oh you have to know this one...
·Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels
Bowser's second attack.
·Luigi's Mansion
King Boo sets a trap for the Marios, the only reason that I put this game here is because sets the stage for Super Mario Sunshine.
·Super Mario Sunshine
After being trapped in Luigi's Mansion, Mario decides to join Peach on a vacation to a tropical island, but Bowser Jr., Bowser's son, tries to avenge his father here, at the end of the game, Bowser Jr. says that he'll fight Mario again.
·Mario VS. Donkey Kong
Mario tries a job as a toy fabricant, but he goes bankrupt because of an incident involving Donkey Kong stealing toys.
·Donkey Kong Country
2 Years after Mario VS Donkey Kong, DK becomes old and names himself Cranky Kong, his grandson DK becomes an adult (Mushroom World's apes have a short lifespan) and lives adventures saving his land from K. Rool.
·Donkey Kong Country 2
This time, Diddy and Dixie Kong rescue DK.
·Donkey Kong Country 3
K. Rool tries it again, but not too hard.
·Donkey Kong 64
A year later, K. Rool tries again, for the last time, but DK, Diddy, and a bunch of Kongs appearing from nowhere save the land.
·New Super Mario Bros.
Bowser and Bowser Jr. try to capture the princess again, this time, Bowser is angry with Bowser Jr. and Bowser kills it, he replaces Bowser Jr. with seven koopas, the Koopa Kids!
·Dr. Mario
While Bowser prepares the Koopa Kids to attack, Mario becomes a doctor to save Mushroom Kingdom from nasty viruses.
·Super Mario Bros. 3
The Koopa Kids' s first attack to the Mushroom Kingdom, they fail.
·Super Mario World
Mario and Luigi save Yoshi's Island and princess Peach from the Koopas.
·Yoshi's Safari
Mario and a friendly Yoshi that he knowed in the last game save Jewelry Land from the Koopas.
·Mario is Missing
The Koopa Kids' s second attack to the Mushroom Kingdom, they succeed, and Luigi ends up trying to save Mario in the Earth while Bowser tries to melt the poles to destroy the Earth.
·Wario's Woods
A Mario imitator appears on the woods of the Mushroom Kingdom, trying to blow up everything, but Toad saves the day.
·Wario Blast: Featuring Bomberman
Wario, the bomber from Wario's Woods, finds a way to other universe and ends up competing with Bomberman, after the battle, Wario returns to the Mushroom Kingdom.
·Mario' s Time Machine
Mario prevents Bowser from destroying the history of our planet.
·Mario Clash
Mario protects the Clash tower from monsters.
·Mario & Luigi
Mario learns how to cast fire spells without being Fiery Mario.
·Paper Mario
This must be the prequel of Super Mario 64, because it' s explains things like the BJ, why Peach could make a good cake, and why the castle is protected by power stars.
·Super Princess Peach
After being imprisioned, Luigi was ill on bed, that's why he couldn' t go to Peach's party in Super Mario 64.
·Super Mario 64
Mario retrieves the 120 power stars from Bowser, after the kidnape, Peach delays the party to tomorrow.
·Super Mario 64 DS
Ah, the day after Super Mario 64, Luigi is fully recovered, and Wario decides to invite himself to the party, Bowser (That guy just NEVER gives up!) imprisions them, but Yoshi saves the day.
·Paper Mario: The Thousand Years Door
Peach is kidnaped again, Mario saves her.
·Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time
Mario and Luigi travel by time to save the Mushroom Kingdom from the shroobs.
·Super Mario RPG
Mario and Bowser stop being enemys in this game, yep, that's right, Mario and Bowser are friends, this is the last time that Bowser saves the princess, the koopalings dissapear and Bowser makes replacements called the Baby Bowsers. Peach gives Mario a land called Mario land, in reward to his adventures (This explains why Mario lives in his house on games that were released AFTER SML2).
·Super Mario Land
Mario goes to a far land called Sarasaland and saves princess Daisy from aliens.
·Super Mario Land 2: Six Golden Coins
When Mario returns to Mario Land, he finds that Wario has captured his castle! anyways, Mario beats him.
·Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3
Wario beats the brown sugar pirates and obtains his land and castle.
·Wario Land 2
The black (Yes, now they were black) sugar pirates rob Wario his fortune, but he recovers it.
·Wario Land Virtual Boy
Wario escapes from the center of the Earth.
·Wario Land 3
Wario escapes from a parallel dimension governed by a mad clown (Ruby the Clown)
·Wario Land 4
Wario raids a pyramid.
·Wario World
Wario raids a temple with an antigod, gets cursed, but manages to break the curse.
·Dr. Mario 64
Wario tries to get the money from Dr. Mario' s new invention, during the adventure, the white (Yes, white) sugar pirates are beated, and Ruby the Clown changes to the good side.
·Wario Ware Inc.
Wario forms a game creation enterprise.
·Yoshi Topsy-Turvy
Yoshi has a new adventure.
·Super Mario Bros. 2
Mario, Luigi, Toad and Peach go to the land of Subcon, to release the land from Wart, and the habitants from Subcon make them believe that it was all a dream (But it wasn't a dream.)
·Mario Karts, Partys, tennis, golfs, all sport games...
Well, now what? All the bad guys were defeated, so Mario and his universe were relaxing, playing all tipes of games, even Mario's sons, Mario Jr. and Luigi Jr., joined the fun, and Mario and Bowser were friends since Super Mario RPG, that' s why Peach isn't being kidnape anymore.
Well, that's my theory of a game order, and that' s how I think that definetly went.
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That's a bit outlandish. How long did it take for you to come up with that?
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My whole life as a Mario fan ;D
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Maybe you're reading into it a tad too much.
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No, he's not. It's a fantastic list, and actually might explain some things.
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I know, the pieces fit so well together. It may even be the right order!
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But there isn't any "right" order. I actually saw a very similar list on Lemmy's Land. I personally believe that the games happen in release order except the YI series, which happens in the past and DKC which I believe happens in the future (but the only thing contradicting that is the appearance of Diddy and the like in the spinoffs),
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MIYAMOTO: Mario is and always has been a concept title from his birth. We are always looking for new ways of playing with him, manipulating him, to create something new and unique. We're in the midst of preparing something special for his future, something never before seen. You'll understand when you see it that we can't quite release it right away. The new Mario game will surprise many people. Give us the benefit of the doubt. I think we'll present you with a new way to have fun. There's even a new character by his side.
Q: Mario 128 will be released for Wii, then?
MIYAMOTO: Yes, of course! It's no surprise, but, of course, we will rename it. That won't be the only surprise of next year, though. We based the Revolution around this new type of game. Mario 128 played a large role in the Wii's conception, much like Mario 64 in its time. But we won't just be focusing on Mario. We're working on some very impressive games which push interactivity to the max—games of a new era.
Not only that, but we also have this:
GAMESMASTER: What inspired Super Mario Galaxy and what does it mean for Mario 128?
MIYAMOTO: Well, Mario 128 was a collection of different experiments. Super Mario Galaxy takes a lot of the experiments from Mario 128 and implements them in the game. Because of that it's partly 128 but there are also elements that existed in Mario 128. I don't know when we'll be able to bring those out.
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I changed my post to include Tetris Attack on my order.
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Bowser is an adult in Tetris Attack. Should it be placed near Yoshi's Topsy Turvy?
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Bowser was an adult in Tetris Attack, but that was before he knowed Mario in SMB, I think that between Tetris Attack and SMB just goes some months, not years.
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The games happen in the order they were released, with the exception of Yoshi's Island and other games that specifically give their position in the storyline.
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That's what I think. There is really no need to switch the games around like that although when people do that it is interesting.
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Interesting indeed. I was thinking about using the 'multiverse' concept to settle the 'sequel problem'.
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If the game happened in the order that they were released we have problems like when Mario has a castle in SML2 while he lives in his house on the RPGs, and Bowser switching from Koopalings to Baby Bowsers to Bowser Jr. to Koopalings to Baby Bowsers to Bowser Jr. again.
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I have an easy way to fix that. SML2 takes place in another universe where Mario is a king, and the old Mario games with the Koopalings are in a different universe from the newer ones with BJ. It's easy and interesting. It could make a good guideline for writing fanfiction.
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I hate multiverses, they' re a bad excuse for no continuity.
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But as Myamoto stated, there is no continuity. I like multiverses because they free things up when it comes to things such as writing fanfiction, where you could decide when or where it takes place. It could even allow a writer to create his/her own variation on the Mario universe without negating the fact that a preset universe already exists. Hence the term, Multiverse. Besides, isn't 'hate' too strong a word?
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It's easy enough to say that SML2 makes absolutely no sense within the rest of the Mario games and leave it at that.
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Then it would have to be separate from everything else and the only way I can think of doing that is saying in was in another universe. Then again, SML2 was made before Mario was ver shown living in a house. Maybe Gunpei Yokoi wanted to give Mario his own "Fortress of Solitude" or something.
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If you exclude SML2 you have also to exclude SML (Its directly referenced on the manual) and all the Wario series (They directly reference SML2).
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The only Wario game that references SML2 is SML3/WL, it can be considered a SML trilogy. Daisy could easily be the alternate universe counterpart of Peach, ya know.
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It could all be one universe, but with different princesses.
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It is.
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Well, I still like my theory.
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Daisy is the sister of Peach, ya know.
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No, ya know.
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Daisy is the sister of Peach, ya know.
State your source, please.
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Daisy is the sister of Peach, ya know.
Ughhh, more like "Sequel Problem Solved! (A lot of members are wrong!)"
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Daisy? Related to Peach? I don't think so.
Peach's father--The King of the Mushroom Kingdom. Thus, that would imply that Daisy would also be the princess of the Mushroom kingdom.
...But she's not. She's the princess of Sarasaland. Princesses rule the kingdoms that their fathers once ruled, usually. Besides, Daisy never has any mushroom retainers around.
Not to mention, Mario's love for Peach would become messed up if he once had the same love for Daisy in Super Mario Land...it's like having a wife, then secretly dating your wife's sister. Mario wouldn't do that.
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But never in the games a romantic relation between Mario and Daisy is given, Daisy being Peach' s sister is fanfiction, like Luigi being in love with Daisy.
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If you count the SMB Movie (which very few people do), then people could argue that the Luigi/Daisy pairing is canonical. Just saying.
Remember the Mushroom World from SMB3? Maybe Sarasaland was part of the Mushroom World, but not taken over by the Koopalings, and Peach's (and Daisy's) father maintained power over the entire Mushroom World, and the individual parts are controlled by the children and various other family members. Yet another wild theory from moi. >:(
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Found on both SMBHQ and Nintendo City...
The King of the Mushroom Kingdom had two daughters, Daisy and Peach. One day, it was time for them to rule the Mushroom Kingdom, but only one Princess could rule it. The King made a hard decision and decided that Peach could run The Mushroom Kingdom and The King said to Daisy that they need a ruler in Sarasland (Or whatever it is called. Stupid words :P) She wasn't happy because her land was very small compared to The Mushroom Kingdom. She had a grudge on Peach until Mario saved her from Tatanga.
OO, what now? lol
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Uhhh, just because more than one fansite describes it does by no means make it true. For example, I could make a fansite and say Luigi is in Super Mario 64 on it. I could say Bowser was really a woman. I could say Mario really only wants to save Peach because she has a lot of yogurt. But that doesn't mean any of it is true. If it's not in a game, it's not considered canon (though one may argue the cartoons are canon as well, but even then I highly doubt this was ever in a cartoon either) and the King of the Mushroom Kingdom has yet to make a video game apeareance. For another example, I truly do believe that Mario and Luigi's parents didn't send them to Brooklyn, but it was probably Toadsworth's idea. The Shroobs must have gotten them and the Baby Mario Bros. were homeless. But I can't march around saying it's a fact, because it's just an idea of mine that seems logical.
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the King of the Mushroom Kingdom has yet to make a video game apeareance
I have a feeling he's dead.
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If the Mushroom King is dead, Peach would be a queen, not a princess.
PD: I just realised that my game order is wrong, because Luigi talks of the Mario Partys and Sports games in his journal...
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"If the Mushroom King is dead, Peach would be a queen, not a princess"
Not neccessarily. She may have to get married in order to become queen. After all, she's probably just a figurehead. TMK is probably governed by a Prime Minister(seen in PM1).
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No, princess don't need to marry to be queens, (See King's Quest)
The Prime Minister theory is good, but then Bowser would try to kill or kidnap him, I think.
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First off, I don't think King's Quest is the best source of infromation about politics. Second, Bowser isn't very smart and he doesn't have a crush on the Prime Minister.
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But Bowser is trying to marry Peach. (See Super Paper Mario)
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How dare you say a fairy tale-based videogame isn't the best source... Well, then just search ''Princess'' on Wikipedia, please, and Bowser trying to marry Peach in Super Paper Mario could be a proof of the Mushroom King being alive.
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How is Bowser wanting to marry Peach any sort of proof that the King is around? Bowser would probably marry Peach against her will(and in SPM's case, this new villain is marrrying them).
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How is Bowser wanting to marry Peach any sort of proof that the King is around?
After he marries Peach, he kills the king and Bowser can be the king of the Mushroom Kingdom.
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He could've just as easily killed the king before he married her. I still think that the king is already dead.
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I think Bowser should just try to eat Peach instead of kidnapping and trying to marry her.It is perverted if you ask me.
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Maybe Bowser wants to fill the void left by his ex-wife leaving him. He had to get all those kids from somewhere....
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Or maybe he should stop messing around and become the evil villain that he used to be.Really I don't like the idea of Bowser having a women.BLEEEEEECK!!
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No, princess don't need to marry to be queens, (See King's Quest)
The Prime Minister theory is good, but then Bowser would try to kill or kidnap him, I think.
You fools need to play Paper Mario, in which the Minister was shown (he looked like a slightly older, robed Toadsworth in a way) and was captured by Bowser. If you haven't played Paper Mario, there's something wrong with you.
Bowser could have killed the King already, or perhaps he died when Peach was very young, which would explain why Toadsworth tries to take care of Peach. Where Queen Toadstool is, I don't know. Maybe she died too. Maybe Mario is also dead. And Toad, he must be dead too. Yoshi CAN'T still be alive, either. All the Shy Guys are dead. Bowser's dead as well. Luigi got killed by a falling tree covered inm chainsaws, he's dead. Daisy's dead. Wario's dead. Everyone is so dead to me.
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Are we talking about sequal problems or Bowser and Peach?
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I don't know, but it's completely useless. First it was sequels, then it was Peach and Dasiy, and now its Peach and Bowser.
STAY ON TOPIC!!111!!!!111!!!!
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SMW is a sequel to SMB3. How's that for being on-topic?
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You fools need to play Paper Mario, in which the Minister was shown (he looked like a slightly older, robed Toadsworth in a way) and was captured by Bowser. If you haven't played Paper Mario, there's something wrong with you.
The problem is that the minister wasn't Bowser's target.
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The problem is that the minister wasn't Bowser's target.
The problem is that "Bowser's target" has nothing to do with sequels. On-topic, it's stated in the SMW manual that the events in SMW occur after SMB3.
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The problem is that "Bowser's target" has nothing to do with sequels.
I was replying to Bird Person, wich said that the prime minister was kidnapped on Paper Mario.
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Ah, but am I wrong? The Minister WAS captured in PM and that can't be denied. Bowser's goal in PM wasn't to JUST capture Peach... otherwise he'd have simply thrown the other people who were at the party (including the Minister) out of the castle. So that time he targeted capturing everybody in the castle.
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Ah, but am I wrong? The Minister WAS captured in PM and that can't be denied. Bowser's goal in PM wasn't to JUST capture Peach... otherwise he'd have simply thrown the other people who were at the party (including the Minister) out of the castle.
Bowser isn't know by his generousity, ya know.
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Generosity? Is what you mean to say that I was implying that by throwing the partygoers out of the castle from an insurmountable height that he would be letting them go? No, what I meant to say was that by throwing them out of the castle, they would die. Being imprisoned with the hope that Mario and the Star Spirits would overcome Bowser > falling from the sky and breaking your neck dying. Mario only survived the fall because... he's Mario. He can't just die.
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But there are more people that escaped the castle before, (Luigi, several penguins...) I don't think that they would die, besides, Bowser didn't show any interest on the minister.
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This is my game order:
SMA 3: Yoshi's Island: Baby Mario drops to Yoshi's Island, Baby Luigi gets captured, Yoshi guides Baby Mario to Baby Bowser's Castle, Yoshi and Baby Mario defeats Baby Bowser, Stork brings the brothers to their parents.
Mario & Luigi: PiT: Baby Mario and Baby Luigi defeats Shroobs by teaming up with their feature selfs. Defeats Bowser and Baby Bowser. Baby Bowser goes to Yoshi's Islnad to conquer.
Yoshi's Story: Meanwhile while Adult and Baby Bros. are crushing the Shroobs, Baby Bowser attacks Yoshi's Island. Yoshi defeats Baby Bowser.
Yoshi's Touch and Go: Another adventure for Baby Mario and Yoshi. Defeats Baby Bowser again.
<Yoshi sends Mario and Luigi into the Real World>
Wrecking Crew: Mario Bros. defeats the evil foreman as construction men.
Mario Bros. and The Return of the Mario Bros.: Mario and Luigi are almost Young Adults. Defeats creatures in Brooklyn's pipes.
Donkey Kong: DK traps Pauline, Mario defeats DK and rescues Pauline.
Donkey Kong 3: DK escapes from Mario's grasp. Mario calls his cousin, Stanley, to take care of the crazed Ape.
Donkey Kong Jr.: Stanley returns DK to Mario. Traps DK, then DK Jr. defeats Mario.
Donkey Kong '94: DK kidnapps Pauline again, Mario defeats DK again. DK plans another evil plan.
Yoshi Topsy-Turvy: Meanwhile, Yoshi defeats Bowser again by rolling on a ball.
Super Mario Bros.: The Mario Bros. return to the Mushroom Kingdom, saves Peach and defeats Bowser, and meets up with Yoshi.
Yoshi's Safari: Using the Super Scope, Mario defeats the enemies and the Koopalings.
Super Mario Bros. 2: Mario's dream came true when he traveled to Subcon to defeat Wart. Defeats Wart, then plans a safer vacation.
Super Mario World: Mario plans a vacation to Dinosaur Land (AKA Yoshi's Island) Peach gets kidnapped. Mario, Luigi, and Yoshi defeats Koopalings and Bowser and rescues Peach once again.
Super Mario Land and Super Mario Land 2: Mario rescues Daisy from Tantaga in Srassland (Or whatever it is called). Then Mario defeats Wario to claim his castle. Wario escapes and puts a bucket on Mario's head.
Mario vs. Wario: A fairy leads Mario pass Wario's traps. Gets the bucket off his head and defeats Wario. Wario escapes to Toad's Woods.
Wario's Woods: Toad defeats Wario, Wario escapes to some island.
Super Mario Land 3: Wario goes to his castle, claims his treaure, but in the ending, Mario gets it himself.
WarioWare Inc. Games: Mini-Game madness makes Wario rich. (Not Real Rich)
Super Mario Bros. 3: Bowser and his kids transforms the 7 Kings into creatures and kidnaps Peach. Mario and Luigi defeats them and makes the Mushroom Kingdom back to normal.
Paper Mario: Bowser gets ahold the power of the stars. Mario and sidekicks defeat Bowser, Bowser hides in Peach's Castle.
Super Mario 64 and Super Mario 64 DS: Peach bakes a cake for Mario, but Bowser steals Power Stars. Mario gets Power Stars back and defeats Bowser. Peach tells Mario to come back tomarrow for cake. The next day, Mario decides to bring Luigi, Yoshi, and even Wario. Bowser tries his plan AGAIN. They all defeat Bowser and get all the power stars back again. THEY FINALLY GOT THAT CAKE! WOOHOO!
Luigi's Mansion: Luigi enters a contest and wins a mansion. It actually is Big Boo's Haunt. Defeats ghosts and Big Boo and Profeesor E. Gadd is introduced to the Mario cast.
Super Mario Sunshine: Mario, Peach, and Toadsworth go on vacation to Isle Delfino. It is polluted by Bowser Jr. Residents frame Mario. Mario cleans up island, gets ahold of all Shine Sprites, and defeats Bowser and Bowser Jr.
Mario vs. Donkey Kong: DK snatches the Mini Marios from Mario's Toy Company. Defeats DK and goes bankrupt.
Mario and Luigi: SS: Cackletta and Fawful attacks Mushroom and Beanbean Kingdoms. Mario and Luigi defeats them both and saves the Mushroom and Beanbean Kingdoms.
Paper Mario 2: Peach discovers a treasure in Rogueport, Mario goes along, Peach gets kidnapped, Mario retrives the Crystal Stars, opens the door, and defeats the X-naut Organization and the Shadow Queen. Saves the world.
New Super Mario Bros.: Bowser Jr. kidnaps Peach. Mario defeats Bowser Jr. and rescues Peach.
SSB, SSBM, and SSBB: All the Nintendo heroes fight to defeat the Master Hand and the Crazy Hand.
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I like that order better that Adventure Knight's.
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There's still the problem of Luigi talking about Mario Kart and Mario Party.
EDIT: And you gave no explaining to Mario living in a castle in SML2 and then living in a small house on later games, and also Bowser changing of kids constantly.
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MK and MP aren't even on that list. You could easily stick SMK and MP1 in front of PM1 and then sprinkle the later installments where they'd fit in the most.
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There's still the problem of Luigi talking about Mario Kart and Mario Party.
EDIT: And you gave no explaining to Mario living in a castle in SML2 and then living in a small house on later games, and also Bowser changing of kids constantly.
Then check out the games storyline then!!
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If I recall correctly, Luigi's diary mentioned not Mario Kart, but Tennis... or possibly Golf... or perhaps both... Well, that's beside the point. I stick to my opinion that, aside form the babies' appearances, the games' plots occur in the order of release dates. Is there anything that really contradicts that? Seriously?
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I played the game, and, he talks about ''those days when we played karts, golf and tennis, and when we got those partyes.'' I don't know if that exactly what he says, because I am translating from the Spanish version.
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Adventure Knight is correct. He mentions all four in the English version as well. And as for contradicting the games' order, the only thing I can think of is Mario having a castle in SML2, leading me to believe that it took place in some sort of alternate universe(and thereby explaining Wario's bizarre change in personality). That and the appearance of DKC stuff in the Mario games which kills my theory that the DKC games take place in the future.
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But I don't mention the spinoffs in my game order.
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You do realize how easily they can fit in, right?
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Okay, then... I'm wrong. I'm wrong sometimes. A lot of the time. Aaagh, maybe it was Luigi's idea to have parties all the time!! Freakin' Luigi... mumble, grumble... But yeah... I find nothing wrong with the games occuring in the order they were released except the babies' appearances which obviously were first. And so... I really don't have reason to post here anymore... so I'm out of this topic... before I say something else that's stupid.
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My Order:Yoshi's Story,Yoshi's Island,And then the game realeases.
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No one cares to think why Mario lives in a house on games that were released AFTER SML2... How sad.
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That's what I said in the post I posted before my previous post. It's about the only thing that contradicts anything else. The only explanaton I can think of is an alternate universe, but you, Adventure Knight seem to hate that.
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Yeah, but I prefer to think an explanation that leaves all the games to take place in the same universe, with the same Mario.
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Well, good luck figuring out Dr.Mario's origin.
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Dr. Mario is Mario, you doubted it?
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How did Mario, a plumber off the streets of Brooklyn and future saviour of The Mushroom Kingdom, become a virus-busting doctor? How did Peach become his nurse?
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How did Mario, a plumber off the streets of Brooklyn and future saviour of The Mushroom Kingdom, become a virus-busting doctor? How did Peach become his nurse?
When they had spare time, DUUUUUUUUH!
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You can't just become a doctor in your spare time. It requires years of education. A plumber would not have those years of education.
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In the world of cartoons and video games, it doesn't matter. Anything is possible.
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It's still hard to fit in. Why did Mario have to become a doctor anyway?
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Uh...to cure people from the evil virusies. (Haven't you played Dr.Donez)
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...Why did Mario beome a plumber in the first place?
I think Mario's career changes in some games just to give the games a different atmosphere and a different style of play. For example--to create a tetris game with Mario sprites, you can't implement the idea that Mario is a plumber; what could you "stack" when you're a plumber? Turtles?
Can you stack pills and match capsule pieces with matching colors? Yes, you can. Now, who uses capsules? Doctors. To add this game a unique feel, what should we do? Let's add viruses of different colors, and let's make the objective to kill the viruses with matching capsules. Now you have a unique puzzle game.
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That's just what I think.
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I already knew that, Clark, I was just trying to figure it out from a storywise standpoint.
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Super Mario 64 DS is the sequel to Super Mario 64.
Not true. It's still a remake even though it has some big changes.
It is a sequel, Nintendo say that, and it's obvious. Sunshine may not be the sequel to 64 for a few big reasons:
1-They're nothing alike, except you save Peach and cotrol Mario
2-Nintendo have said nothing about it
3-Just because it came after it, it doesn't mean it's the sequel
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It is a sequel, Nintendo say that, and it's obvious. Sunshine is not the sequel to 64 for a few big reasons:
1-They're nothing alike, except you save Peach and cotrol Mario
2-Nintendo have said nothing about it
3-Just because it came after it, it doesn't mean it's the sequel
1. Actually they are. Both have overworlds with portals to other worlds where you must complete various objectives to earn star-esque relics. Both have Red and Blue Coins. Both have no Luigi. Both have a boss that you face repeatedly throughout the game. Both have secret Sub-courses. Both have similar controls and moves. Both have a total of 120 star-esque relics. Both have Yoshi. Both have a stage populated by Boos. Both have characters that you can speak to. Both have giant/king/boss versions of classic Mario enemies. Both have guys that you can race against(more than once). The only differences are that SMS has FLUDD and no ice level and Yoshi isn't playable in SM64.
2. About what?
3. Prove it.
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1. Actually they are. Both have overworlds with portals to other worlds where you must complete various objectives to earn star-esque relics. Both have Red and Blue Coins. Both have no Luigi. Both have a boss that you face repeatedly throughout the game. Both have secret Sub-courses. Both have similar controls and moves. Both have a total of 120 star-esque relics. Both have Yoshi. Both have a stage populated by Boos. Both have characters that you can speak to. Both have giant/king/boss versions of classic Mario enemies. Both have guys that you can race against(more than once). The only differences are that SMS has FLUDD and no ice level and Yoshi isn't playable in SM64.
2. About what?
3. Prove it.
1.Lots of Mario games have red and blue coins, portals and what you said there. Also,I don't think we can really count Yoshi sleeping on the roof actually featuring in SM64
2.About it being the sequel, obviously. What do you expect? A few years ater it's release for them to turn round and say "Oh, we forgot to mention that Sunshine is Super Mario 64's sequel"? I think not!
3.Prove it. How sad and babyish is that. You can't get more pathetic, or ignorant for that matter. "Just because it came after it, it doesn't mean it's the sequel" is not a thing you can prove. Ok, I say that Super Mario Galaxy is... erm... Super Mario World's sequel. And Double Dash is Super Mario bros. And Luigi's mansion is Yoshi's Island's sequel. Do you really agree with tha? If not, grow up!
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Dude, you really need to stop with the insults on Chef. He's been here much longer than you. I think his point is valid, and if you think he's stupid for that, than you're the one who needs to grow up.
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Dude. Don't let this involve personal attacks, as that becomes very babyish itself, and gets really tiring to admins (I am not one, but I know that the arguing is annoying to them).
1.They are somewhat similar in having 120 collectables,and they both have a lot of common Super Mario Bros. Elements but I really doubt that they are sequels. Maybe they are close together, maybe they are sequels.
2.I'm not really sure about this one, I don't remember reading about anything like this, but Wii has a point that they nintendo wouldn't make a game 6 years later for a sequel.
3.Some Sequels aren't consecutive, look at MGS3. It is before all of the other Metal Gear games. Also, if they were like that. Mario Kart 64 would be the true sequel ...
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Yeah, you're right. Still, I agree with what Chef is saying.
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Sorry if you think what I said was insulting, I just get so irritated when someone comes out with something like prove it, when they obviously haven't read what's been posted or they haven't the brains to actually think of something constructive
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remember the review of sm galaxy it said its a true suqeul to sm 64
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Who reviewed it?
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Since Nintendo don't review their own stuff (they'd give it 10/10, make sure everyone buys it and all that) that is probably wrong.
However, from what i've heard the first level is like the first painting level in 64, so maybe.
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First level? Have there been any "levels" released since E3? There are areas vaguely similar to Bob-Omb Battlefield in the E3 demo, but other than that, no.
How are you using the term "sequel" here? Super Mario Sunshine was very close to Super Mario 64 in terms of gameplay to Super Mario 64. Claiming that it wasn't a sequel to the game is like saying Super Mario Bros. 3 is not a sequel to Super Mario Bros. or Super Mario Bros. 2 (Japan). A game doesn't have to play exactly the same as its predecessor to be a sequel. Zelda II is a sequel to The Legend of Zelda and they are about as different as you can get.
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Sorry if you think what I said was insulting, I just get so irritated when someone comes out with something like prove it, when they obviously haven't read what's been posted or they haven't the brains to actually think of something constructive
O RLY? If I hadn't read what you posted, I wouldnt've replyed. Obviously you don't know why I said to "prove it", because if you did, you'd realize that when you said "just because it came after it, doesn't mean it's the sequel", you said it without any substantial evidence.
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OK. There is NO evidence for something like that, either way. As I said before, according to that we could all say that stuff like Mario Galaxy is the sequel to Super Mario Bros. 1
Also, whoever said it, Mario Bros. 2 has been released outside Japan. Otherwise, I wouldn't have been playing it around five minutes ago.
You can think that Super Mario Sunshine is 64's sequel if you like, but since it's an idea based on the fact that you jump through portals to get do different levels please don't claim it as fact, or say that everyone else's ideas were wrong.
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I never said it was fact and I never said you were wrong. I was just saying that you didn't give anything to back up your statement.
PS: Apparently you don't know which version of SMB2 they were referring to. There are two of them. The JPN one is an expanded version of the original while the USA one is a port of another game called Doki Doki Panic.
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I know :D
Actually, the more I think about the more it is like 64, but I don't know if that's enough to say it's a sequel. It may be, but i'm not sure. I think Nintendo would have said something by now.
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Who's to say it isn't? If anything it's a sequel to Luigi's Mansion, which could possibly be the sequel to SM64.
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Again, I ask, how are you defining "sequel"? I would go with The Chef on this one, because I usually take the order in which the games come out to be the order they happen in whatever shred of storyline there might be. The most straightforward meaning of "sequel" I can think of is an installment of the story that happens after the previous one.
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Don't forget that there are also prequels (Yoshi's Island) and interquels (Paper Mario).
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What exactly makes Paper Mario an interquel?
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It was designed as an interquel between Super Mario RPG and Super Mario 64. In my old, obsolete game order I placed SMRPG much later after SM64 but it was an error.
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There's a difference between sequel and the next game to coma after it. A sequel either has "2" or any nother appropriate number in front, or is like another game before it in some way. When they were young, Mario games were sequels to the ones before them. SMB was like SMB2, SMB2 was like SMB3, SMB3 was like SMW, and so on, but now they are all so different and there are so many different genres (sport, adventure, fighting, action, rpg) that is not the case.
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It was designed as an interquel between Super Mario RPG and Super Mario 64. In my old, obsolete game order I placed SMRPG much later after SM64 but it was an error.
It was? Where did you get this information?
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64 Magazine.
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Has it been stated anywhere besides there?
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I don't know, but it makes perfect sense, seeing as we know how Peach learned to cake, the BJ, why the castle is powered by stars... I could scan the magazine but you'll have to translate it from spanish to english.
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I'm starting to think the sequal problems haven't been solved..............again.
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Mabye I can read it, I do know spanish...
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I don't know, but it makes perfect sense, seeing as we know how Peach learned to cake, the BJ, why the castle is powered by stars... I could scan the magazine but you'll have to translate it from spanish to english.
I have never heard this stated anywhere else. Maybe it's unofficial.
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I don't know, I wouldn't trust a random magazine in Spanish, unless it had definite information from Nintendo.
Dear Wii, you do not know what a sequel is. There are many sequels to games, books, movies, and other things, that are not the original title with a 2 added on. Examples: Chrono Trigger, followed by Radical Dreamers: The games are vastly different, but continue in the same story. In an alternate timeline, there's also Chrono Cross to follow Trigger (similar to Super Mario [something] followed by Super Mario [something else]). Or the Star Fox games, Star Fox 64, Adventures, Assault, and Command. Each is a sequel to the one before. They do not all share the same gameplay mechanics, nor do they have any sequential numbering system. In more radical sequel-naming, we have the plays The Barber of Seville and The Marriage of Figaro. (Yes, they were plays before they were made into operas). The latter is a sequel to the former, and it is not called "The Barber of Seville 2". I can find lots more examples.
You say that a sequel is "like another game before it in some way". Well what do you know, Super Mario Sunshine is like Super Mario 64 in a lot of ways. But that isn't all a sequel can be, since many games carry on the story started in another game, yet play completely differently. If I must, I will find examples to demonstrate to you.
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^ You'd better read that post, Wii.
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There's nothing on top of your post!
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Please read my post before criticising it please.
I said if it has "2" or something in front f it, there is no debate about it being a sequel. For most games, the next game in the series is the sequel, such as Zelda games, but now there are so many diffent types of Mario game we can't say that any more. Does anybody really belive that Double Dash is a Mario 64 sequel? It's a Mario Kart sequel. Technically, all the games of the same genre are sequels to the one before it, but in Mario they are incredibly different. In my Oxford dictionary, it states that a sequel is "a published, broadcast or recorded work that continues the stoury or develops the theme of an earlier one.".
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Are you saying that SMS didn't develop the themes of SM64?
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Actually, the more I think about the more it is like 64
When I post, TheChef, it doesn't mean my previous posts are irrelevent.
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Please read my post before criticising it please.
I said if it has "2" or something in front f it, there is no debate about it being a sequel. For most games, the next game in the series is the sequel, such as Zelda games, but now there are so many diffent types of Mario game we can't say that any more.
Actually, Zelda games don't work like that. There has been a lot of ideas about what the order of the games is. Some, like OoT, have a direct sequel, in this case, MM. But there is no definite idea when one happens in the Zelda timeline.
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Mike is right... The only definite sequels are The Legend of Zelda and Zelda II, and Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask, and maybe the Oracle games, or they take place at the same time, or something. Most of the other Zelda games are standalone stories.
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Actually, Zelda games don't work like that. There has been a lot of ideas about what the order of the games is. Some, like OoT, have a direct sequel, in this case, MM. But there is no definite idea when one happens in the Zelda timeline.
Just because the timeline is messed up, it doesn't mean it's not a sequel. The next Zelda game to come after another will be it's sequel, even though it could have been set before that one.
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Uhhh... Doesn't that pretty much contradict everything you said before? That sequels are all named [title] 2? Well, if your current theory is the case, SMB's sequel Is Wrecking Crew.
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Uhhh... Doesn't that pretty much contradict everything you said before? That sequels are all named [title] 2?
yes, because i've really said that haven't I. I'd quote my whole thing but if you can't read there's no point.
Well, if your current theory is the case, SMB's sequel Is Wrecking Crew.
By SMB do you mean Super Mario Bros.? Well, how my "theory" of the next game in the series is the sequel says that Wrecking Crew is the sequel I don't know. As I have said, if it has 2 after it it is definetly the sequel (as long as it's not third party), so that makes Super Mario Bros. 2 the sequel.
Wow! My 'theory', which isn't a theory because it's right, works!
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The SMB series never set a continuity, a sequel is something like Back to the Future, each movie was directly in-tune with the previous one, except for the first which of course was the beggining, SMB2 and 3 never were set directly to the same point in time after the others meaning that they could have happened at any point in the Mario timeline.
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yes, because i've really said that haven't I. I'd quote my whole thing but if you can't read there's no point.By SMB do you mean Super Mario Bros.? Well, how my "theory" of the next game in the series is the sequel says that Wrecking Crew is the sequel I don't know. As I have said, if it has 2 after it it is definetly the sequel (as long as it's not third party), so that makes Super Mario Bros. 2 the sequel.
Wow! My 'theory', which isn't a theory because it's right, works!
I think I finally solved the problem. You're an idiot.
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Well I say that the spin-offs of Mario have it's own series while the platformers also do as well and I say that Super Mario Sunshine is the sequel to Super Mario 64.
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I think I finally solved the problem. You're an idiot.
If i'm an idiot I hate to think what everynoe else here is then
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Yeah. We're smarter than you.
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So because I say that a game that comes after another in a series of the same genre is the sequel of the one before it, i'm an idiot? wow, you're the idiot. I could bet my house that i'm more intelligent than you as well.
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No, you're an idiot because you keep dragging these useless arguments further and further even though we always manage to counter your points. You're actually more of an attention hog. Or so it seems.
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no. I am posting my ideas. Teh a bunch of idiots come on screaming and flaming. I reply. More idiots, making non-sensial points. What do i do, sit back and take it or reply? And you haven't countered any arguments. Most of you are making yourselves look like idiots. A prime example is that someone said that if I changed everything to do with a kappa (by putting it on two legs and giving it spikes on it's back) then I would obviously have Bowser. so that means that everything on four legs and no spikes on it's back is a kappa. Should I have more examples? I've got better things to do than hang roud here so say yes or no quickly, please.
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And you haven't countered any arguments.
Way to ignore me.
The SMB series never set a continuity, a sequel is something like Back to the Future, each movie was directly in-tune with the previous one, except for the first which of course was the beggining, SMB2 and 3 never were set directly to the same point in time after the others meaning that they could have happened at any point in the Mario timeline.
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That has nothing to do with anything, and you know it. we're talking about whether things are sequels or not, not when they happened. If you want to random post, please make your own thread and don't post in ones which it has nothing to do with.
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3-Just because it came after it, it doesn't mean it's the sequel
So because I say that a game that comes after another in a series of the same genre is the sequel of the one before it, i'm an idiot? wow, you're the idiot. I could bet my house that i'm more intelligent than you as well.
I'm not going to say much, nothing like this proves you're a sorry fool, or that you should stop talking. Nope, I won't say that. I will just say that YOU need to remember what you said, before you try to tell everyone that you have said that all along. I don't appreciate the Wishy-Washy ways (heh heh).
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That has nothing to do with anything, and you know it. we're talking about whether things are sequels or not, not when they happened. If you want to random post, please make your own thread and don't post in ones which it has nothing to do with.
Oh but it does seeing as I'm quoting a fact to see that it's not overlooked, and this post you're making me post and your post right there as well would be "having nothing to do with anything". Oh, and sequels are "another part of a series happening directly after the previous prequel". You see, a sequel has something to do with the prequel, and guess what, SMB 1, 2, and 3 have NOTHING to do with eachother.
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I'm not going to say much, nothing like this proves you're a sorry fool, or that you should stop talking. Nope, I won't say that. I will just say that YOU need to remember what you said, before you try to tell everyone that you have said that all along. I don't appreciate the Wishy-Washy ways (heh heh).
Right. the game that comes afyter it. Must I remind you, that that only replies to games of the same genre, you sorry fool?
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Alright everyone. If you're not going to keep this discussion respectful and friendly, then you might as well not have it at all. There's been enough name calling and mud slinging on both sides, and it has to stop. Show each other the proper amount of respect, and this thread can develop into something better than what it currently is. Thank you.
This whole arguement, as Chupperson has earlier stated, completely depends on what definition of "sequel" you are using.
se·quel
n.
1. Something that follows; a continuation.
2. A literary, dramatic, or cinematic work whose narrative continues that of a preexisting work.
Most people stick with the second definition, as it is what is used in the mainstream, but someone seeking to be right by using the raw definition would call for the first definition.
If you don't clearly specify what you mean when you use "sequel" this won't get very far. What you're calling a "sequel," as can be seen in this quote: we're talking about whether things are sequels or not, not when they happened.
is very confusing. To most people, "when they happened" will most certainly define whether or not a game is a sequel. If you don't make a distinction as to when a game takes place (Or even if it takes place in the same "time-line") you run the risk of completely ignoring prequels, interquels, or "spiritual successors."
To use an example that most are familiar with: Star Wars
Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope was the first movie released.
Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back was a sequel to the first movie.
Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace was released much later than Episode IV, and is a prequel.
I think the problem here is that you, Wii, by the your accounts in this thread would consider Episode I to be a sequel to Episode IV. Both movies share the same setting, races, and even some of the same characters; they are related indefinitely, but if you disregard when the movie takes place in the "story-line," you would incorrectly classify the movie.
Furthermore, there are assorted books about un/related characters, planets, and settings that are given the Star Wars name. This are what most people would call "Spin-offs," and not sequels.
Interquels have to do specifically with when said work is created and when it takes place in its "universe's" time-line.
There are also sub-classifications that further complicate matters, for example, direct sequels. However, this still does not account for ingorning prequels and other types of "successors," as for one to be a direct sequel, one must first be a sequel.
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I could bet my house that i'm more intelligent than you as well.
Where exactly is it?
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Oh but it does seeing as I'm quoting a fact to see that it's not overlooked, and this post you're making me post and your post right there as well would be "having nothing to do with anything". Oh, and sequels are "another part of a series happening directly after the previous prequel". You see, a sequel has something to do with the prequel, and guess what, SMB 1, 2, and 3 have NOTHING to do with eachother.
ok... they're the same genre, have the same characters, have the asme main enemy (Bowser). They are sequels. End of story, full stop, period, leave it, goodbye, any other ending here.
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Please, I'm done arguing, I find Black Mage to have more logical on this, I say he beat us all here, now I'm ready to drop it and stop acting like I'm right and you're wrong, Black Mage wanted us to stop, so I'm done.