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TMK Stuff => Site Discussion => Topic started by: MEGAߥTE on February 27, 2007, 03:07:39 AM
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Discuss the prototype (http://themushroomkingdom.net/smb2_proto.shtml) here!
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Man, that's awesome. I wonder how the cartridge eventually ended up on eBay.
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The same way the prototype carts of any other game ended up there?
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I really like the underground music, and how the percussion is sped up after awhile.
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This page is quite an accomplishment, and extremely informative!
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So did the person send one of you the cartridge to test, or did they tell you about it, then go through the different parts by themselves? Either way, very cool.
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The owner of the cartridge provided the majority of the basic information, screens, movies, and music.
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Ah, yes. I've seen this prototype displayed on about two other sites, but with not nearly as much info. So...obviously with those screens, you have a ROM...give us ur rom kthxplzbye =P
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Um...
The owner of the cartridge provided the majority of the basic information, screens, movies, and music.
So we don't have the ROM.
Also, read the rules (http://themushroomkingdom.net/board/index.php?topic=8638.0).
Do not ask for ROMs or links to ROMs.
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I think Tweeter was being facetious. Unless he had a sudden AOL chat-attack while finishing the post.
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Um... So we don't have the ROM.
You can't get those screens from a TV. Those are definitely screen grabs. Maybe WE don't have it...
And yes, I was being sarcastic. I take it your sarcasm detectors are broken, lol.
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You can't get those screens from a TV.
I take it that you've never heard of a capture card.
Anyway, I read the feature about this prototype the other night, and it's pretty awesome. Nice job MEGAߥTE.
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There is a ROM, but the owner chooses not to make it public.
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I don't know what to say to that but HOW LAME!!!!! LAAAAAAAAAAAME!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'd like to play this...
But this can't be the only cartridge in the world. There has to be a ROM somewhere.
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I take it that you've never heard of a capture card.
Sorry, a capture card can't magically turn a TV signal into something as clean as that.
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I just got a bit of new info and added it to the page.
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Oh man, it's like torture! Me want-e play-e!
Excellent coverage, though.
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Very nice. Very thorough.
And I don't know if you noticed this and just thought it too insignificant to report, but there seems to be a slight difference with the side-curtains on the character select screen. The final version simply extends inwards a little more.
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Nice find.
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There are also sprites left in all NES versions of SMB2 from the character select and chapter screens of doki doki panic. The borders that make up the "book" in doki doki panic are still in SMB2's world screen sprites, but they're overlapped by numbers and letters.
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbigh4th.250free.com%2Fsmb2tile.JPG&hash=f3185249ad2655cf03e2f5ad9d6f1678)
As you can see, the border sprites are overlapped from "0" to "B". I posted a cleaned up version on the left.
-Harry
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It's the missing link! ...Between Doki Doki Panic and SMB2, of course.
I couldn't care less if I can play it or not, but that's still a pretty sweet find.
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Something small I noticed - in that commercial video, near the end, Mario's using the B button run and you can see the debug life meter as well - that tells me that it's not quite the same build, but rather a slightly later one.
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It never ends! x_x
I want to kill the narrator of that commercial if he isn't dead already. All people who say "merry-oh" need DEATH. It is pronounced as spelled: "MAH-ri-oh." What the Dukar is a Merry-o? Like a Cheerio?
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I honestly don't give a hoop about SMB2 beta. The ROM is bound to be dumped someday, maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but someday.
What I'd really like to see is some footage from the 1989 SMW beta.
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The ROM has been dumped, but it isn't "publicly" available.
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Does the non-publicization of the SMB2 Beta ROM have to do with all those ESA issues and what-not?
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Do you mean Nintendo not releasing it in some form or the person who has the cart not releasing the ROM?
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It has to do with the guy that owns the cartridge not wanting the ROM publicly available because he thinks it will lessen the monetary value of the cart or something.
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Maybe whoever buys it will be less greedy.
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It's not for sale.
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Then why would he care about the monetary value?!!! RRrrgh...
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Because he likes having a priceless and useful object instead of a merely valuable and no longer needed object.
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Then why would he care about the monetary value?!!! RRrrgh...
That was only Chup's assumption.
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well if he is only concerned about losing monetary value... then couldn't we PAY him for the ROM, by compensating him for whatever the loss would be??, the cart itself I dont think would lose that much value, as it is still a rare one of a kind proto cart. Plus the best way to better your knowledge on a prototype game is to actually play the game there could be a LOT more that the owner didn't notice in terms of differences.
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Okay, remove monetary from my last post.
Anyway I don't really know why he doesn't want the ROM available, because he would still have the real thing, which is always better and more real.
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Okay, remove monetary from my last post.
Anyway I don't really know why he doesn't want the ROM available, because he would still have the real thing, which is always better and more real.
Drastic overdump or an invalid dump may get the cartridge itself to become glitched, misfunctioning, or broken forever.
Maybe he doesn't want to take any risks.
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Drastic overdump or an invalid dump may get the cartridge itself to become glitched, misfunctioning, or broken forever.
Maybe he doesn't want to take any risks.
The screenshots he provided come directly from a ROM that he has. You cant get screenshots from a TV that are that good, its impossible
basically, he is being rather stupid and is deciding not to release the ROM for whatever reason, probably because it will lessen the value a little bit
thats why I think paying him for a copy of the ROM will work... but who knows, everyone should have the opportunity to play this as it is a rare one of a kind find that probably will never come about again, IE Sonic 2 Beta/Alpha, and the knowledge that would be given to the mario community would be priceless, however it is SMB2 and the game was pretty much complete with the release of DDP, but who knows there may be suprises that are buried within the depths of the game that only would be found by having the ROM.
but still, having this ROM would be peanuts if we got a Dump of SMB3 beta or the 1989 SMW
also, does anyone have the owner's email address so I can PM him
and ask him if he'd email me the ROM for a price? then maybe I can get some donations on some other forums...
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1989 SMW? The NES ROM that's really terrible?! I have that... I dunno if it's messed up or what, but I couldn't get past Iggy's Castle (Forgot what the reason was). I tried to play it on nesDS (NES emulator for the DS) but it won't load. It feels homemade though...
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http://disgruntleddesigner.com/chrisc/secrets11.html (http://disgruntleddesigner.com/chrisc/secrets11.html) scroll down the page, and glimpse upon the wonders of the 1989 SMW beta, its for SNES though, not NES, there never was an official SMW for nes just a pirate version that is only half the game. There are rumors of an NES beta version cleverly entitled Super Mario Bros. 4, but there was never a single screenshot or cart found
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I'm noticing how it seems on the SMW beta there, some of the graphics were later used on the Super Mario All-Stars stuff there, like the breakable bricks. That's one I noticed.
It also looks like the old ghost house things seemed like haunted-looking areas, or that they were on test levels. I think they're just test levels there honestly.
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Well, in case you didn't know, SMW's Japanese title was Super Mario Bros. 4, unless I'm mistaken.
The text "Super Mario Bros. 4" can be also found inside the ROM.
And the 1989 beta looks like they had just finished the main physics whatnot, and were focusing on level design more than on the graphics. Could be one of the reasons why nearly every graphic is changed in the final, surprisingly including the beautiful beta overworld.
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I'm pretty sure SMB4 was SMW's early title, and it says SMB4 on the Japanese boxart. If you want to get really technical, that would make Yoshi's Island SMB5.
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No, I think New Super Mario Bros. is SMB5, considering that YI's full title is Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island.
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Er, If SMW is SMB4, then that means SMW2 is SMB5, get it?
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But I think SMW2 represents a branch from the other games. This is especially considering the major changes in story (Mario isn't the main character, the game takes place in the past, Bowser isn't the villain, etc.), gameplay, art style, and others.
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They pulled the same thing with SML3, which is WL1.
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The NES ROM that's really terrible?! . . . It feels homemade though...
That's because it is. It's just some pirated hack, not the actual SMW beta.
Well, in case you didn't know, SMW's Japanese title was Super Mario Bros. 4, unless I'm mistaken.
The text "Super Mario Bros. 4" can be also found inside the ROM.
Yes, the Japanese title was, I believe, Super Mario Bros. 4: Super Mario World, or something similar to that.
No, I think New Super Mario Bros. is SMB5, considering that YI's full title is Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island.
Only in America. It was never Super Mario World 2 in Japan. So no.
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A prototype cartridge? No surprise there. There are always screwy things like this. Even Metroid Prime had a glitched Version (which was a Korean version, rare. It saves faster than the US version, and if it saved over a US save, it would corrupt it). Super Smash Bros. Melee has a debug menu and same with other games.
What's next? MK64 Debug Menu? Ha [sarcasm]
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There are like 3 different American versions of Metroid Prime also.
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I'd like to note that the SMB2 beta ROM has been dumped today on Sonic CulT.
I'd post a link but I'm still unaware on the ROM rules...
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No posting ROMs or links to ROMs. But your post is perfectly OK.
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I went to the site and got the ROM. Unfortunately they stole TMK's whole article about it.
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I found it pretty funny how it says "Article stolen from TMK".
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It would have been nice if he had at the very least linked us.
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I've been a regular to their site, and yes, that is very typical of them.
Yes, the ROM has been released, and I've actually made YouTube videos of me playing them! Search for "Super Mario Bros. 2 Beta."
Sonic CULT says that they will supposedly change their article into their own work, but for now it's all stolen.
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Link to the auction?
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The auction happened a couple years ago, so the link doesn't exist anymore.