Post by: kamikaze koopa on January 02, 2005, 01:52:58 AM
Now, I know alot of you are saying "But Miyamoto has specifically said that Mario has no set storyline or any set rules". But I say who cares? That doesn't mean we can't still post out own theories and ideas about stuff.
Anyway, I wanted to start things off with a topic that's been bugging me for a while, which is, what exactly is the situation with humans in the Marioverse? I personally believe that the majority of the humans in the Mushroom Kingdom have been wiped out. After all, we know that there obviously are humans in the Marioverse, as rare as they may be. For example, we have Princess Peach, Princess Daisy, Mario and Luigi (of course), Il Piantissimo, and we see Mario and Luigi's parents at the end of Yoshi's Island. So I'm thinking that there used to be a large number of humans in the Mushroom Kingdom but they have all since been wiped out. Possibly by a previous war or maybe even a plague.
Anyway, please feel free to reply and post your own ideas. Although, like I said in the title, I'd appreciate it if we kept this a serious thread and not have people saying "here's the perfect explanation, it's a game".
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"The bigger they are, the harder I fight."
Edited by - kamikaze koopa on 1/1/2005 11:57:47 PM
Post by: Vidgmchtr on January 02, 2005, 05:26:19 PM
Post by: Popple on January 02, 2005, 06:27:05 PM
It's a game.
Let me away from this boulder!
Post by: Vidgmchtr on January 02, 2005, 07:40:27 PM
Post by: kamikaze koopa on January 02, 2005, 11:01:33 PM
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"The bigger they are, the harder I fight."
Post by: Sqrt2 on January 03, 2005, 01:49:31 PM
Oh and is Il Piantissimo human? I thought he was a pianta.
Nothing is impossible. My boss told me so.
Edited by - Sqrt2 on 1/3/2005 11:51:21 AM
Post by: kamikaze koopa on January 03, 2005, 04:05:09 PM
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"The bigger they are, the harder I fight."
Post by: boomstix on January 03, 2005, 04:10:24 PM
"I could have more fun watching paint dry...
C''mon Blue! Dry Blue! C''mon!"
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Post by: Diddy Konga on January 03, 2005, 05:13:45 PM
Okay, does anyone understand what I just said?
Post by: Vidgmchtr on January 03, 2005, 06:17:04 PM
Because, really, "It's a game".
Edited by - Vidgmchtr on 1/3/2005 4:17:29 PM
Post by: Markio on January 03, 2005, 07:02:13 PM
Post by: kamikaze koopa on January 03, 2005, 08:34:43 PM
I've always theorized that humans have come from a different region that just hasn't been explored in the games yet.
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"The bigger they are, the harder I fight."
Post by: Hope(N Forever) on January 04, 2005, 11:24:42 AM
Think about it this way: If there's a World full of mythical creatures that are intelligent to human standards, how can there be room for the humans themselves to grow and thrive in populance?
I don't say humans are rare, but they are not enough of them to be so widely populated in that World. I mean, when we think of families (any sort of family) in the Mushroom World, how many have you seen with more than two or three kids?
Another thing: You have forgot that Gadd and most of the major ghosts in Luigi's Mansion are also humans; well, the ghosts were at least humans once...
Note: I plan to make a more practical thread than this sometime in the future...
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...and in no point in the future will he ever be abandonded by me!
I will even drawn the best Super Mario comics ever to exist!!
Edited by - Hope(N Forever) on 1/4/2005 9:28:09 AM
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on January 04, 2005, 12:00:47 PM
Other theories: Peach's parents were turned into mushroom people as well. In SMRPG, her grandma was a mushroom person after all. Perhaps Bowser kidnapped them and locked them up in a new dimension (like Subcon or the Waffle Kingdom!). Or maybe he turned them into Koopa Troopas somehow. That would make an interesting plot for a game.
Koopa Kids and Bowser Jr.: Ish, I hate to talk about this. Either "BJ" is the eighth kid or he is all of the 7 kids combined somehow (like Mario Party 5 in reverse). Bad theory but what else is there? "The servers are the seven koopas."
Bowser's wife: She was turned into a human and that human is... Peach!! Lol, just kidding. Since there's no games that even talk about her I'll just make stuff up and say that she is locked away in yet another dimension and every once in awhile Bowser will rescue her and they will... have more children. Yet another great plot idea and one for a Bowser game at that!
Mario and Luigi twins?: If a stork brought them to the MK then how can you figure out their exact ages? They could be a few seconds in difference or a few months or something.
Birdo guy and girl?: There's more than one pink dinosaur with puffy lips you know, so there could also be guys who dress up as girls. (ew)
Poison mushroom purple AND green (in PM2): Different mushrooms disguised as 1-ups. Yikes!
Mario's parents: Also turned into blocks or something. In my theory they sent Mario and Luigi away to the real world when Bowser began to take over and told them to become plumbers when they grew up so they could one day return and save the Mushroom Kingdom. (I think I just destroyed my idea for a possible fan fic) Or maybe the parents were kidnapped like almost EVERYONE I have mentioned!!
Wario and Waluigi: I haven't played that many Wario games to know much about the facts. If they're not related I just think that Wario is some kind of evil clone of Mario created by Megikoopa to destroy him. Waluigi... was a mistake. :)
Those are my rediculous theories, but I'm going to stick with them until I hear some better ones. As long as time machines, clones, and magic exist we will always have crazy ideas.
"Oh great. From now I am shall forever be known as the king who talks to posters."
Edited by - Yoshisaurus Rex on 1/4/2005 10:05:09 AM
Post by: Koopaslaya on January 04, 2005, 06:16:41 PM
The alien king dropped 500 children from Plane Krypton. And then all of the animals went insane at the site of a metior.
It's a GAME!!!! It's fun to know stuff about the games, but does it REALLY MATTER who Mario and Luigi's Mommy and Daddy are?
Post by: Wheel_kirby on January 04, 2005, 06:42:55 PM
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Post by: Red Paratroopa on January 04, 2005, 06:55:34 PM
The proof is in the PM2. The train conductor Toad doesn't have a "shroomtop." He has an engineers cap. Case closed.
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Post by: Koopaslaya on January 04, 2005, 08:02:11 PM
Post by: Hope(N Forever) on January 05, 2005, 11:25:15 AM
By the way, Birdo was ALWAYS a female, well, at least in Japan she was!! Birdo's Japanese name is Katherine, and Katherine was a female ever since her first appearance in Doki Doki Panic or Super Mario USA for the Japanese!!
Uptil now, nobody knows why the heck had Nintendo of America, Inc. changed Birdo's gender in the first place!!
I am a pure Super Mario lover!!
...and in no point in the future will he ever be abandonded by me!
I will even drawn the best Super Mario comics ever to exist!!
Post by: Suffix on January 05, 2005, 11:32:10 AM
Post by: Markio on January 05, 2005, 11:44:49 AM
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Post by: Diddy Konga on January 05, 2005, 05:18:08 PM
Post by: kamikaze koopa on January 05, 2005, 06:13:44 PM
Anyway.
Humans in the Marioverse: Another theory on humans is that all of the humans we've seen so far have all come from Earth like Mario and Luigi did. That might explain why most of the humans we've seen have been royalty. Maybe the inhabitants of the Mushroom World see them as special in some way.
Luigi's Mansion: I had completey forgotten about Gadd and the ghosts. If they were all actual ghosts and not just fabrications created by the King Boo then that would be at least partial evidence that there were once people in the Mushroom World before Mario and Luigi.
Koopa Kids: I've always viewed the Koopa Kids (the original seven, not the mini-bowser clones) as not having naturally occured. Maybe Bowser got his magikoopas to copy him in some way so that he would have an heir and thus ended up with seven different peices of his personality in physical form. That would also explain why he made Bowser Jr. Because the original seven were such a let down.
Wario and Waluigi: I've always thought that the Wario brothers (if they are in fact brothers, which I believe they are) were just normal people who were twisted and warped by their greedy ways. Much like Gollum in The Lord of the Rings, Wario and Waluigi started out as normal kids but then met up with Mario and Luigi, causing them to become darker more malevolent versions of themselves.
The Mushroom "caps": I've never liked the idea that the tops are hats. I'm not sure how much evidence points in favor of it, but I personally have never accepted that theory.
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"The bigger they are, the harder I fight."
Post by: Markio on January 05, 2005, 07:19:15 PM
First of all, there are three types of Koopas: koopas(including koopa troopas and paratroopas and hammer bros), magikoopas, and spiked koopas(namely Bowser). So Bowser's parents died when he was a baby, leaving Kamek to raise him. Bowser isn't what I would call evil, but he's in a separate kingdom, and waging war is even more common in our world than theirs, so who are we to call him evil?
Anyway, Bowser marries a spiked koopa lady, possible with blue hair to explain most of the koopalings' blue hair.When the koopalings first starred in SMB3 and then SMW, Bowser's wife was upset about her children being used in military units, and at such a young age, too! So she left Bowser(not a divorce, but she just needed time alone) and Bowser was awfully sorry and hurt that she ran off. Then, less than a year but more than nine months later, he read in the newspaper or some other source that his wife was in a hospital in Isle Delfino and he ditched Kamek and all his war plans and took off to her. Sadly, he couldn't take the koopalings. When he got to the hospital and found her, she was was lying in a bed, and was very, very sick. He stood on the side of the bed, looked at her with care and sadness in his eyes and asked if she would be okay. She wouldn't be okay, but just before the accident/disease happened, she had given birth to another child, Bowser Jr. It was THEIR child, not some other koopa, okay? Since she was on her deathbed, Bowser was sorry that the Koopalings couldn't have come along, but what do you know, Kamek had a change in heart, ditched his own plans from the koopalings, and had brought them with him to the hospital. After the reunion, Kamek took the kids back to the kingdom so Bowser and his wife could have some time alone. Bowser apologized for giving in to Kamek's ideas of using the children for war, and they made up and all that. Then his wife died. After a few years, Bowser Jr. wanted to know who is mother was. Bowser didn't know how to tell him that his mother had died and sort of made up this story about the first woman that popped into his head: Peach. Having to go along with his dumb lie, he ended up going through all the events in Super Mario Sunshine. After all, Bowser Jr. was born there, that's why he sounds kind of like a pianta. After that scenario, Bowser told Jr. the truth, and he took all eight of his kids to the mothers grave, where they left flowers and everyone was finally happy, or at least at peace.
Also, Bowser had no attraction to Peach, she was only used as a captive in war to take over her land. I'm sorry if this was all confusing, but I'm rushing.
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Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on January 05, 2005, 08:30:24 PM
Here's what happened. In SMB3, the Koopa Kids each had their own flying ships with different enemies. After Mario came and beat up the kids, taking their wands away, the Doom ships lost most of their power (just a theory). With the wands now gone and also the KKs, the ships started to crash and the wrench moles (whatever you call them) began to panic and tried to stop them but didn't know how to fly them. The ships all crashed in different areas and out of the seven one of them just by chance happened to land by Yoshi's Island, right in between everything and next to the future location of the Valley of Bowser (Bowser found the wreckage by accident when he came to take over the island and decided to make a secret underground world). Then the ship got haunted and the rest is history. Now the Koopa Kids have never showed up for a long time (save M&L) because they have been working on their next big weapon, a really big and powerful Doom ship called Koopa Katastrophe (or something) and powered by some really strong magic item. And when will they be ready to finally use this weapon? It will all happen in Super Mario 128!! Aaaahhhh!!! :) Stupid, I know, but I like it.
Diddy Konga: I think it's cool that there are different colored Birdos in MPT. Remember that in SMB2 for Super that there were red and green Birdos that shot fireballs.
Wheel Kirby: Sorry to correct you on this, but I think that in your signature you should say "Some things are best left unsaid" instead of good because it sounds better IMWO. Just a suggestion.
"Oh great. From now I am shall forever be known as the king who talks to posters."
Edited by - Yoshisaurus Rex on 1/5/2005 6:39:37 PM
Post by: Kirby (cheat wizard) on January 06, 2005, 03:41:35 PM
Bowser got a girl friend and you know the rest.
SMB3 before 3-D-Mario beat the kooplings and took there wands and the ships chrashed one chash neer dinosure island.
SMS after 3-D-Bowser had kid again and tricked him into thinking that Peach was his mum in the end Mario beat him as well.
MandL:SS after 3-D- Mario and Luigi beat the kooplings again and they hid to make a master plan.
Post by: Popple on January 06, 2005, 06:34:01 PM
If there's one thing Godzilla has taught us, it's that giant japanese reptiles reproduce asexually.
Bowser laid seven eggs, and then later, one more.
And about the Toads' Mushroom tops, I firmly believe that they are not hats. That conductor was born with a conductor's hat-shaped mushroom top because that was the job he was born to do. Just like gold topped toads were born to end up rich and toads with heart shaped spots were born to be in love with people. That's how it works. If you have a Bob-omb born with a jet's steering wheel for a crank, he'll end up flying jets.
Let me away from this boulder!
Post by: Raccoon Sam on January 07, 2005, 11:06:00 AM
In PM-TTYD, Gloomtail says that He wonders why his sister hasn't wrote a letter to him in many days.
Well, if Hooktail wrotes a letter, how can the letter ever arrive to Gloomtail!? Because Gloomtail lives in another side of the Thousand-Year Door!
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Post by: Lizard Dude on January 07, 2005, 02:35:52 PM
“I’m a stupid fatty and I love to play with my Easy Bake oven.â€
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on January 07, 2005, 11:10:25 PM
"Oh great. From now I am shall forever be known as the king who talks to posters."
Post by: Raccoon Sam on January 08, 2005, 03:30:40 AM
She was a female.
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Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on January 08, 2005, 09:58:35 AM
"Oh great. From now I am shall forever be known as the king who talks to posters."
Post by: kamikaze koopa on January 08, 2005, 07:22:41 PM
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"The bigger they are, the harder I fight."
Post by: Sapphira on January 10, 2005, 02:21:55 PM
Heheh...anyway... Starting with Humans...
I believe humans are just like any other intelligent species in the Mushroom World, like Toads, Goombas, Koopas, Piantas, etc., only they seem to be less common because certain places in the MW are more heavily populated with a certain species from one location to the next.
For example, in Isle Delfino the most common intelligent beings are Piantas and Nokis, although there are others seen. Beanbean Kingdom is most commonly populated with those Beanbean creatures (sorry, I still haven't played the game yet, so I don't know precise names of things.) It doesn't mean that there are less of them in the MW, it just means there are certain areas that have certain intelligent creatures more than others.
Humans are likely more spread out; I don't believe all of them had to come from the Human World.
This is evidenced in Yoshi's Island, where Mario and Luigi are delivered to TMK to there parents, who would have to be human. (Come on, Toad parents? That's ridiculous) Besides, from their silhouttes, they look obviously human. It's also obvious there are more humans in the MW because of Mario Golf and Tennis games--Plum, Neil, Ella, Azalea, etc.
Just like in the PM games, probably there is a town that has mainly humans in it, like how Koopa Village is filled mostly with Koopas, and Toad Town is mostly filled with Toads. I believe whatever this human town may be, it was likely wiped out (which has to do with another theory of mine--how and why the Bros. ended up in the Human World....but that's for another post). This probably caused the inhabitants who weren't killed to flee throughout the MW, which is probably why it seems there are less.
I don't believe humans are, like, an "endangered species" or anything, just it seems that way because they're so thinly spread out. (Actually...they may be, but I really don't know. I know there are more humans, but...*shrugs*) However, I'm sure there are human towns mostly populated with them, even if they're not in TMK, just we don't know about it or where it's located.
Etc.: I believe Il Piantissimo is a Pianta, but only skinny. Or...hmm..did it say somewhere that he was someone disguised as a Pianta? I can't remember. Meh. Unless he's in more games, or Ninty sheds more light on him, I don't think it's really that big of a deal.
Also: I believe Ninty said Wario and Waluigi were actually "humanoids"--they're more elfin, from what you can tell by their appearance. How or why they're like that, I haven't speculated yet. I'll discuss more theories I have about them later, as will I discuss theories of many other Mario Universe things, too.
More theories on Princess Peach and her parents, the Koopalings (and Bowser Jr.), Birdo, and also others, eventually.
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Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on January 10, 2005, 05:46:55 PM
If Wario and Waluigi aren't related to Mario and are elfin then they must be related to... Link! Uh-oh! ;)
"Oh great. From now I am shall forever be known as the king who talks to posters."
Edited by - Yoshisaurus Rex on 1/10/2005 3:48:46 PM
Post by: Popple on January 10, 2005, 10:25:00 PM
You call that a skinny Pianta?
Let me away from this boulder!
Edited by - Popple on 1/10/2005 8:25:50 PM
Post by: Lizard Dude on January 10, 2005, 10:31:59 PM
“I’m a stupid fatty and I love to play with my Easy Bake oven.â€
Post by: Popple on January 10, 2005, 10:37:13 PM
Let me away from this boulder!
Post by: Hope(N Forever) on January 11, 2005, 10:11:53 AM
I am a pure Super Mario lover!!
...and in no point in the future will he ever be abandonded by me!
I will even drawn the best Super Mario comics ever to exist!!
Post by: Red Paratroopa on January 11, 2005, 04:05:38 PM
JK
"Good morning. And in case I don''t see you again: Good afternoon, good evening, and good night."- Truman, The Truman Show
Post by: Diddy Konga on January 11, 2005, 06:24:46 PM
Yoshisaurus Rex : Yeah I remember the green/red Birdos in SMB2. But they come in alot of colors now like Yoshis.
Post by: kamikaze koopa on January 11, 2005, 07:01:23 PM
But anyway, have we found out who the main inhabitants of Sarasaland are? Because that seems to me like it's pretty good cantidate for the humans home country. Although, I think I read somewhere that the main inhabitants were those rock creatures from Mario Land (I forget their names).
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"The bigger they are, the harder I fight."
Post by: UM+SF on January 13, 2005, 08:45:28 PM
As implied in the movie (which after constant viewing concluded that it was not good), there could exist portals to the Mushroom Kingdom or other kingdoms. Through this, Peach's grandparents may have come through there and be seen as strange by the inhabitants. They did something very heroic and were chosen as their rulers. They had two children, a male and female. Also, two other adventurous siblings found a portal and made their way into the kingdom. They met the prince and princess and married them. Each couple had one child each: Peach and Daisy. The king and queen died and had their children take over. Unfortunately, there grew tensions between the two couples and they decided to split the kingdom into two and each couple would rule as king and queen of their kingdom. As for why Peach is not queen, her parents probably left somewhere and until their death is confirmed, the law says that she cannot be queen.
But the strangest question I have is this: why would Bowser love someone like Peach?
Actually I have an idea, but let's see if you can get it.
Mario and Sonic shall clash together soon. Be on the lookout.
Post by: frostbite on January 16, 2005, 05:47:47 PM
A "Koopa" is not the name of the creature; it is the surname of a family of those of the race known as the "Boom-Booms" (non-Koopa Boom-Booms can be seen in the fortresses in SMB3, or as football players in SMW).
Post by: Master Mario on January 16, 2005, 07:50:55 PM
TMK fan since three years ago!
Post by: Chupperson Weird on January 16, 2005, 08:01:02 PM
Post by: Master Mario on January 16, 2005, 08:05:24 PM
TMK fan since three years ago!
Post by: Popple on January 16, 2005, 08:58:37 PM
Let me away from this boulder!
Post by: Master Mario on January 17, 2005, 01:48:48 PM
TMK fan since three years ago!
Post by: Master Mario on January 17, 2005, 02:06:47 PM
TMK fan since three years ago!
Post by: Master Mario on January 17, 2005, 02:20:08 PM
TMK fan since three years ago!
Post by: Screech on January 17, 2005, 05:00:32 PM
As for the mushroom people, until about three hours ago, I thought that the shroom thingies were part of their heads (y'know, since they're "mushroom" people), but after playing Paper Mario 2, I'm not exactly sure...
Also, humans are there, but there are fewer of them. Toads and koopas are the two big species (like hylians in Zelda, I guess).
Peach is a princess and not a queen because the MK's ruler is called a prince or princess.
A few other things I think about that most people would disagree with me about...
I believe Yoshi's Island is actually a chain of islands.
I believe that Peach is not a love interest for Mario, but am waiting for pauline to at least be mentioned at some point in the future.
If Peach HAD to be a love interest for someone, I would go with Bowser. But that's really just me, because Nintendo puts little inferences in there for Peach and Mario.
Luigi and Daisy have never really been in a game together aside from the Kart and Sports games. I'm not entirely sure how it came to be that everyone thinks Luigi and Daisy are an item. It might have something to do with the movie.
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Edited by - Screech on 1/17/2005 3:04:56 PM
Post by: frostbite on January 17, 2005, 05:36:27 PM
Until Mario Tennis alot of people thought Peach and Daisy were the same person.
Post by: on January 17, 2005, 06:12:49 PM
Shawne Vinson
Edited by - Shawne20 on 1/17/2005 5:26:58 PM
Post by: NintendoExpert89 on January 17, 2005, 07:04:13 PM
I am feeling fat, and sassy!
Post by: on January 17, 2005, 07:26:41 PM
Shawne Vinson
Edited by - Shawne20 on 1/17/2005 5:27:55 PM
Post by: Master Mario on January 18, 2005, 11:41:37 PM
TMK fan since three years ago!
Post by: kamikaze koopa on January 21, 2005, 07:45:15 PM
I don't want this thing to die.
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"The bigger they are, the harder I fight."
Post by: Master Mario on January 21, 2005, 08:25:04 PM
TMK fan since three years ago!
Post by: Red Paratroopa on January 21, 2005, 09:03:51 PM
"Good morning. And in case I don''t see you again: Good afternoon, good evening, and good night."- Truman, The Truman Show
Post by: Master Mario on January 22, 2005, 02:21:01 AM
TMK fan since three years ago!
Post by: kamikaze koopa on January 22, 2005, 10:12:17 AM
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Post by: Master Mario on January 22, 2005, 12:50:42 PM
TMK fan since three years ago!
Post by: Luigi #98 on January 22, 2005, 03:27:43 PM
Post by: kamikaze koopa on January 22, 2005, 05:29:14 PM
My fault.
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"The bigger they are, the harder I fight."
Post by: Master Mario on January 22, 2005, 08:20:12 PM
TMK fan since three years ago!
Edited by - Master Mario on 1/22/2005 8:54:53 PM
Post by: Popple on January 23, 2005, 06:42:43 PM
Let me away from this boulder!
Post by: UM+SF on January 23, 2005, 06:45:31 PM
--Do not read the following if you have not won a tournament in Mario Power Tennis with Bowser.--
If you do what I just said, Bowser asks for a kiss from Peach, but she refuses. You can't call that a love interest. Dumbkopf!
---Mario and Sonic shall clash together soon. Be on the lookout.---
Post by: Sapphira on January 23, 2005, 07:19:31 PM
I can divulge later, I suppose....like, with evidence and proof and such...
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Post by: Screech on January 23, 2005, 08:02:19 PM
And I believe that shyguys are their own race. Bandits are something else that dresses like shyguys.
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Post by: Ultima Shadow on January 23, 2005, 10:46:28 PM
I think Wario and Waluigi are human, and they were mistook for the Mario Brothers (during Yoshi's Island). However, Kamek realised that the fat one (Wario) was suprisingly strong, and the skinny one (Waluigi) wa vety smart, so he brought them up as their rivals. However, when Bowser found out, he treated the Wario Brothers like dirt behind Kamek's back, as he knew Kamek was far too powerful. However, when Bowser became an adult, he and Kamek duelled. Bowser won, and Kamek betrayed his master, returned to his old kingdom, and declared war as King Kamek. Wario and Waluigi were also kicked out. And, because of Bowser's mistreatment and Kamek's continuous hatred of the Mario brothers, they realised that the years of torture that they had gone through was because of the famous brothers.
Anyway, the war between the Koopa Kingdom and the Magipa Kingdom (as I like to call it) raged on, until Bowser kidnapped Kamek's only daughter, Kammy. Kamek fled, and without their leader, the Magipa army was destroyed. Kammy was tortured for her father's whereabouts, and when Kamek came back to the Koopa Kingdom to get Kammy back, she had come out an old woman, as old as Kamek himself. Bowser told Kamek the only way that he could change him back, is that Kamek rejoined his fold once more. Kamek reluctantly agreed, and the kingdom of Magipa was left in ruin.
Post by: Master Mario on January 23, 2005, 11:21:52 PM
TMK fan since three years ago!
Post by: kamikaze koopa on January 24, 2005, 08:18:02 PM
But then again, maybe I don't know what I'm talking about.
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"The bigger they are, the harder I fight."
Post by: Master Mario on January 25, 2005, 06:23:23 PM
TMK fan since three years ago!
Post by: Markio on January 25, 2005, 08:54:39 PM
And I think Peach is just a princess and not queen because she isn't married. In Shrek, Lord Farquat wasn't king because he wasn't married.
“You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view.†-Atticus Finch
Post by: kamikaze koopa on January 27, 2005, 02:54:14 PM
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"The bigger they are, the harder I fight."
Post by: gamemaster79 on January 30, 2005, 12:31:59 AM
Peach probably has to be married to become a queen. Her parents were probably turned into Toads like the rest of the humans, but for some reason Peach wasn't transformed (probably because she was in another castle
)Each species has there own homeland in the Mario universe. In my theory, Toads never exhisted until Bowser transformed all humans into Toads. So...
Humans - Mushroom Kingdom
Piantas & Nokis - Isle Delphino
Yoshis - Yoshi's Island
Mario & Luigi were never transformed into Toads because they were in Brooklyn. After they were abducted by Kamek, Yoshi returned them and their parents sent them there because they thought it was safer. The later returned to the Mushroom Kingdom through a chain of pipes (Mario Bros.) and when they arrived all humans were turned into Toads.
Their parents are probably dead by this time, saying as Mario and Luigi are full grown adults.
List of humans:
Mario & Luigi - Theory listed above
Wario & Waluigi - I've got nothing.
II Piantisimo - The reason he isn't a Toad is because he is a resident of Isle Delfino, not the Mushroom Kingdom.
E. Gadd - Luigi's mansion was located off in the distance, and Bowser was never really aware of this area. E. Gadd was simply inside the mansion sucking up ghosts. During the time of Bowser's reign.
Ghosts of the Mansion - All died before SMB.
Peach - When Bowser appeared her parents protected her from Bowser by hiding her and therfor she never was transformed into a Toad.
Daisy - Remember, Daisy made her appearance in Super Mario Land for the GameBoy. She is a resident of Sarasaland, not the Mushroom Kingdom. Since Bowser only tried to take over the MK, she was never transformed.
7 Kings of SMB3 - Because of the power of their wands, they were never transformed. Notice how when their wands were stolen then they were transformed. (Ha! Now that is a good theory!)
*If there are any more humans then I will try and add theories for them.*
The seven little koopas were created by Bowser. Bowser Jr. is more of a combination of all of their powers. The Koopa Kids are just Koopas that have been "enchanted" so they are simply more ferocious-looking.
Bowser does seem to have a desire for Peach. In Paper Mario he wants to marry her to gain power over the Mushroom Kingdom. In Mario Sunshine he kidnaps her and convinces Bowser Jr. that she is his mommy. He apparently has some desire for Peach, as why else would he come to Isle Delfino and kidnap her?
In my oppinion, the Mario Karts are just simply spin-offs. They have no connection to the Mario timeline that I can see, especially one like Double Dash where the characters can team up together. The Mario Parties, on the other hand, have bit of a story behind them and therefor could easily combine with the Mario timeline that I speak of.
Thats all I've got for now!
Post by: kamikaze koopa on January 30, 2005, 08:20:46 PM
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Post by: Chupperson Weird on January 30, 2005, 08:45:57 PM
"Don’t look into car headlights and freeze, because you might get run over or shot."
Post by: Claws on February 01, 2005, 06:24:01 PM
Post by: kamikaze koopa on February 04, 2005, 07:26:00 PM
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Post by: Markio on February 04, 2005, 07:27:40 PM
“You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view.†-Atticus Finch
Post by: Claws on February 05, 2005, 04:53:37 PM
Also, if there are any other similar cities, please point them out to me.
Post by: kamikaze koopa on February 05, 2005, 09:30:57 PM
Anyway, to answer your question, no I don't believe the cities have been mentioned in any other games.
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Post by: Claws on February 07, 2005, 08:57:09 PM
Post by: kamikaze koopa on February 08, 2005, 01:42:10 PM
But all this raises a seirous question about the Marioverse, which is: How advanced are the cultures in general? I think it's pretty safe to say that the Beanbean Kingdom is realtively advanced technologically, we see this when visiting the Woohoo Hooniversity in M&L:SS. But what about the Mushroom Kingdom and the Koopa Klan?
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Post by: Claws on February 08, 2005, 07:44:42 PM
I think the Mushroom Kingdom is the most advanced of the three; look at the number of ultramodern cities there. They too, however, choose to appear more primitive than they are; take a look at (what I assume is) their capital city, Toad Town (I call it this because of its close proximity to Peach's castle, the center of the government). It's quite basic, probably a planned city that didn't allow for skyscrapers so as to add to this simple image and to assure the castle was the focal point.
In conclusion, I think all of these cultures are pretty evenly modernized; they just choose to cultivate a more primitive image so as not to appear foreign to the towns and villages in their countries that are truly underdeveloped (such as Twilight Town).
Edited by - Claws on 2/8/2005 5:46:24 PM
Post by: kamikaze koopa on February 08, 2005, 08:36:50 PM
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Post by: Claws on February 09, 2005, 09:06:06 PM
Post by: kamikaze koopa on February 10, 2005, 10:55:57 AM
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Post by: Claws on February 11, 2005, 06:56:27 AM
Post by: kamikaze koopa on February 13, 2005, 12:15:51 PM
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Post by: Claws on February 13, 2005, 07:37:32 PM
Post by: Sapphira on February 13, 2005, 09:23:22 PM
Post by: kamikaze koopa on February 14, 2005, 06:32:48 AM
As for actual species, has anybody played a game called Mageknight? In their universe all the monsters and creatures are called "magespawn" and were created through magic, not through natural evolution. I tend to think that most Super Mario monsters are the same way, seeing as how we tend to only see one of them ever and then they're gone. So I don't think that they are natural races but rather monsters created through manipulative magic, possibly even from tampering with certain natural animals.
As for the actual races, my list consists of these:
Toads
Beanbeans (or are they just Beans, I don't remember?)
Koopas
Goombas
Yoshis
Shyguys (and all their variations, that includes snifits)
Humans (even though you only ever see them in Wario games I still like to think they're there)
Boos
Bandits
Those Mice from SMW2 and PM.
*whew* There are still too many to name, and I only listed some of the sentient races. I'll try and work up a more comprehensive list.
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Post by: Suffix on February 14, 2005, 05:55:58 PM
Post by: Claws on February 14, 2005, 08:00:29 PM
Anyone have any ideas as to how these creatures originated? I'm willing to believe they were created by the Star Spirits or a similar supreme being or beings. Magic is always a viable option in the Mushroom Dimension; much of what happens there is based on supernatural forces. So it is highly probable that some races did originate from magic.
When I say Mushroom "Dimension," I'm talking about the Mushroom Kingdom, Beanbean Kingdom, Sarasaland, etc. Anything on what has been referred to as Mushroom "Earth" and the surrounding physical universe. (Because I know I've heard characters in the game refer to earth, and there's no way it could be our earth.) This Mushroom Dimension is connected to ours through a few tears in the dimensional fabric; known ones include a trans-dimensional warp pipe in Donkey Kong Island's Kongo Jungle, which is in our dimension, off the coast of Africa (refer to Mario Party's DK's Jungle Adventure board for a glimpse at this pipe), and one at an undisclosed location in Brooklyn, New York. Most of you probably knew all this, but I'm just making sure.
Edited by - Claws on 2/14/2005 6:01:56 PM
Post by: kamikaze koopa on February 15, 2005, 08:31:50 AM
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Post by: Master Mario on February 15, 2005, 08:40:29 AM
Post by: kamikaze koopa on February 15, 2005, 08:52:19 AM
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Post by: kamikaze koopa on February 15, 2005, 09:36:52 AM
Anyway, in regards to Claws' earlier question; I have two theories on the matter of the monster's origins.
A) They were created by the beings who inhabit the Star Road (i.e. Geno and Smithy, I know it wasn't actually them but just so you would know who I'm talking about).
B) They were created through magic by the same race that built/enchanted the warp pipes. (No, I don't belive the pipes are a naturally occuring phenomenon)
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Post by: Claws on February 15, 2005, 06:19:53 PM
Speaking of Warp Pipes, I actually think that they are a result of advanced technology rather than enchantment. I'll explain myself later because right now I have to go.
Edited by - Claws on 2/15/2005 4:20:42 PM
Post by: kamikaze koopa on February 15, 2005, 10:38:31 PM
Like I said, currently there is nothing there. And I mean nothing, so by all means post something. ^_^
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Post by: kamikaze koopa on February 17, 2005, 10:03:49 AM
By the way, this is by no means trying to draw attention away from the Fungi Forums. It's simply a brother site for those who choose to go there.
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Post by: Raccoon Sam on February 17, 2005, 11:35:49 PM
And, it's proven that the "nose" is mouth. In SMRPG there's a Snifit that shoots bullets from his mouth, and talks with it too. And in one Nintendo Power guides they said: "Watch out for Snifits, they can shoot bullets from their mouths!"
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Post by: kamikaze koopa on February 18, 2005, 02:29:10 PM
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Post by: kamikaze koopa on February 23, 2005, 08:48:37 PM
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Post by: Suffix on February 23, 2005, 08:57:18 PM
Post by: kamikaze koopa on February 24, 2005, 08:15:47 AM
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Post by: kamikaze koopa on February 24, 2005, 07:52:23 PM
http://www.livejournal.com/users/kamikaze_koopa/
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Post by: Claws on March 08, 2005, 07:33:28 PM
Also, the Mariology boards are really hopping right now. We have several great discussions going, and we're currently trying to make a map of the Mushroom World. Again, here's the address.
http://kamikazekoopa.proboards38.com/
Post by: kamikaze koopa on March 09, 2005, 09:36:49 PM
I'm currently working on my second essay, detailing the level of technology in the Marioverse, it's effect on the cultures, and the origins of the tech itself.
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Edited by - kamikaze koopa on 3/9/2005 7:39:36 PM
Post by: Suffix on March 09, 2005, 09:53:08 PM
Post by: kamikaze koopa on March 09, 2005, 10:43:12 PM
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Post by: br0kebusta on March 18, 2005, 08:46:52 PM
*Sorry for my english and please note that I didn't play a Mario game in a while, so I have forgotten or mispelled stuff.
Post by: CashCrazed on March 18, 2005, 09:46:35 PM
Edited by - CashCrazed on 3/18/2005 7:47:58 PM
Post by: kamikaze koopa on March 19, 2005, 11:39:22 AM
And Br0kebusta's idea of using our own world map as kind of a referance point for the Mushroom World was ingenius. Or maybe that's not what he was trying to do at all...in any case, I give him credit. lol
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Post by: Dogss on March 21, 2005, 11:00:24 PM
I dunno, are completely sure they're human? I once thought so too, because I was intrigued at how Mario and Luigi could jump so high, as if they were at it all thier lives. I had develpoped an entire theory that Mario and Luigi each recieved a sort a blessing from the Yoshies, recieving all of thier gifst (I.E. Jumping.) They being the only ones to ever recieve it. Then as Yoshi's Island tells, the yoshies realized they made a mistake and return Mario and his twin. I believed this whole heartedly......until...
II Piantissimo!
(horror music)
He jumps like Mario and sound simaler: that squashed my theory real fast.
So what if Mario, Luigi, and II Piantissimo were all part of a human subspeicies? These....sub humans would be excelent jumpers, competitive beings, and acrobats. Why not?
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Post by: Suffix on March 22, 2005, 09:56:27 PM
Post by: Dogss on March 23, 2005, 02:56:11 AM
Post by: kamikaze koopa on March 23, 2005, 08:46:53 AM
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Post by: Ultima Shadow on March 24, 2005, 12:39:56 AM
It''s funny until someone gets hurt. Then it gets hilarious!
Post by: on March 24, 2005, 04:17:27 AM
And that's the Nintendo Rules!
Shawne Vinson
Post by: Ambulance Y on March 24, 2005, 07:22:23 PM
"I have never been jealous. Not even when my dad finished fifth grade a year before I did."~Jeff Foxworthy
Post by: Markio on March 24, 2005, 08:07:33 PM
“You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view.†-Atticus Finch
Post by: kamikaze koopa on March 24, 2005, 08:23:15 PM
I have heard a theory, however, that the dolls/trophies acted as beacons that teleported the characters from their individual dimensions into the battlefields. I believe it was Claws who came up with that particular theory, although I can't remember where I read it.
*spoilers*
One of the theories that I had, however, is that the Smash Bros games actually took place in Dreamland, or at least in a similar place. I based this on the idea that dreams seem to be the only things that transend Nintendo universes. There are Metroid enemies in the Kirby games (I forget which ones though), which happen in Dreamland. There are Super Mario enemies in Link's Awakening, which turned out to be a dream. And then, of course there was the Master Hand cameo in one of the new Kirby games (once again, I forget which one). In short, I believe that the Smash Bros games might have taken place in a dreamlike dimension.
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Post by: Ultima Shadow on March 24, 2005, 08:32:40 PM
Master Hand and his insane brother, Crazy Hand control the Nintendo universe. However, Crazy Hand, who was angered by his brother somehow, decided to hire mercenaries to destroy him. Therefore, 12 of Nintendo's biggest superstars came, but 4 of them (Luigi, Capt. Falcon, Jigglypuff and Ness) were captured, and brainwashed. Crazy Hand started up a tournament. Whoever won would fight the Master Hand. Master Hand was defeated, and Crazy Hand exiled. However, after being defeated, Master Hand invited all 12 characters back, plus 13 more. He decided that if he took out the top Nintendo character, he would earn respect. And, who knows what will happen next..?
It''s funny until someone gets hurt. Then it gets hilarious!
Post by: kamikaze koopa on March 24, 2005, 08:37:30 PM
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Post by: Ambulance Y on March 24, 2005, 09:37:19 PM
"You can milk anything with nipples."~Gaylord Focker
Edited by - ledzeppelinrocks on 3/24/2005 7:38:43 PM
Post by: kamikaze koopa on March 24, 2005, 11:52:26 PM
If you want to see some more in-depth theorizing you should check out my site. There should be a link to it in my profile.
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Post by: Ultima Shadow on March 24, 2005, 11:57:35 PM
It''s funny until someone gets hurt. Then it gets hilarious!
Post by: kamikaze koopa on March 25, 2005, 11:17:01 AM
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Post by: Markio on March 25, 2005, 11:48:04 AM
“You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view.†-Atticus Finch
Post by: Suffix on March 25, 2005, 05:21:27 PM
Post by: kamikaze koopa on March 25, 2005, 05:30:51 PM
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Post by: Chupperson Weird on March 25, 2005, 07:32:28 PM
"Don’t look into car headlights and freeze, because you might get run over or shot."
Post by: Ultima Shadow on March 27, 2005, 12:54:13 AM
I've always thought of Dreamland not being part of the Nintendo universe as such, but more of a Dream World, similar to Subcon. Planet Zebes is a planet somewhere else in the Nintendo system. This was also where Tatanga grew up. The Mushroom Kingdom and Hyrule are in pallarel continents, and Pokemon is simply a craze, in a kind of Asian part of the planet. Some of the different games aare set on different planets, and in different parts of the planet. Master Hand lives far up on the north pole, Crazy Hand on the south.
It''''s funny until someone gets hurt. Then it gets hilarious!
Post by: Ambulance Y on March 27, 2005, 03:06:23 PM
"You can milk anything with nipples."~Gaylord Focker
Post by: kamikaze koopa on March 27, 2005, 04:50:48 PM
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Post by: Ambulance Y on March 27, 2005, 05:34:10 PM
"You can milk anything with nipples."~Gaylord Focker
Post by: kamikaze koopa on April 02, 2005, 12:06:56 PM
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Post by: br0kebusta on April 29, 2005, 10:55:50 AM
Also I don't think Mario Kart, Tennis, Party, Golf actualy happened in the Mario history line.
Wario and Waluigi aren't humans, look at their ears and their nose. Its pointy and the nose is pink.
Also, the master hand thing, I think he's simply a human's hand from our world. In SSB, he's a kid playing with dolls. In SSBM, he grown up and became a geek, so he's collection trophies, or may I say, collectable action figures.
He was also in the very first Kirby game, when you had a gameover, you could chose, by controling Master Hand, if you wanted to continue or not. Forcing Kirby to try again.
Edited by - br0kebusta on 4/29/2005 10:00:26 AM
Post by: Latias Dita on April 30, 2005, 07:03:44 PM
And the Paper Mario world before an alternate diemnesion.? That would expalin why we almost never see characters from them in other games (I don't think mario Parties and Sports are part of the timeline, so taht's why teh Star Spirits can pop up in Mario Party 5).
Random Anime Quote:
"I have split ends?"--Zelgadis. Slayer Next episode 6.
Post by: Tingrio on May 02, 2005, 02:09:49 PM
Post by: br0kebusta on May 02, 2005, 04:44:48 PM
Oh yeah, and my opinion in what era they live, I would say the 1800s
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Post by: The Blue Toad on June 29, 2005, 10:31:52 PM
It is either that or the Paper Mario games are simply telling you a story of one of Mario's adventures. Mario did the adventure in 3-D, but the story is obviously told in a book, hence the paper. The games do seem very story like, and sometimes as if you're participating in a book. Then again...If Mario actually did the adventure in 3-D, then wouldn't that mean he would have paper powers out of the Paper Mario world?...nevermind. My theories are strange, I know. I'm not that good at explaining things, so if you don't understand you are most likely not alone.
I've noticed, though, that there is a lot more creativity in the Paper Mario world. It seems like that 3-D Mario worlds are a little touchy when it comes to making new characters. Sure, they made the Piantas and Nokis, but by the end of the game they were getting a little old. Paper Mario keeps it going with new species in each chapter. A dragon, then punis and a cloud lady, next a champion WWE style wrestling hawk, ragdoll people and a freak in a sheet, Flavio, Shadow Sirens, X-Nauts, Cortez, Ishnail, I could go on and on but I'm sure you're already bored of hearing me jabber about this. Okay, I'm done.
Post by: Latias Dita on July 01, 2005, 12:53:36 AM
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Post by: The Blue Toad on July 01, 2005, 07:12:53 PM
"Lord Bowser, do you like egg salad?" ~ Kammy Koopa - Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
Post by: Ultima Shadow on July 01, 2005, 10:38:52 PM
Post by: Kirby (cheat wizard) on July 08, 2005, 04:13:17 AM
Post by: Yoshi64 on July 13, 2005, 01:19:52 AM
1-up
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Post by: EnigmaBlue on July 13, 2005, 11:30:48 PM
Peach's family theory 2: Peach probably had a normal when she was little, but dissapeared. the mushroom king must of discover Peach and aopted her. Peach's dad must of dissapeared when Bowser attacked in the first super mario game. Peach probably decided to remain as princess but she probably still has hope that
her father is still alive.
Bowser & Koopa Kids: how did Bowser get his own kids? Many say that bowser did had a wife, but just died. I think Bowser just got DNA of himself and used magic (or hired Kamek or another Magikoopa to use magic) to make koopa kids. THe possible reason why the kooplings look different from bowser is either that he wanted them to be "unique" or the magic was powerful enough to make them look similar to bowser. But with the failure for the koopa kids to defeat mario, Bowser decided to create another koopa kid, but this time he was able create this one into his own exact image. Thus he was given the name Bowser Jr.
Bowser apperance comapared to normal koopas: If bowser is a koopa, why doesn't he look like one? Well according to the TMK website, Bowser's name in the Japanesse Super Mario Brothers manual was Big Devil Koopa. So Bowser must be half Demon and half Koopa. Since he was already half demon when he was young, Kamek must of used magic to genetically altered bowser into a half demon when he was borned. Since Bowser is half demon and he used his DNA to make the kooplings, they are half demon too. Bowser being half demon is probably why he was in a background of flames in the intro movie in super smash brothers Melee when the game is starts. This also explains why he can breathe fire and normal Koopas can't. But how can the Fire bro koopas (from Paper Mario 2 and SMB3) can breathe fire then?
Post by: kamikaze koopa on July 14, 2005, 08:24:48 PM
I have a theory that the Koopa Kids were created through black magic using Bowser's own essence and that each kid represents a different part of his personality. My interperetation of it goes as follows:
Ludwig von Koopa- Creativity
Lemmy Koopa- Humour
Roy Koopa- Strength
Iggy Koopa- Insanity
Wendy O. Koopa- Greed
Morton Koopa Jr.- Hunger
Larry Koopa- Confusion
After these "failed attempts" at creating a suitable heir, Bowser then created another clone that combined all these traits into a single being: Bowser Jr. Or at least, that's how my theory goes ;).
As for Bowser's appearance, that's a toughy. I've heard a number of theories on the matter, including the possibility that Bowser is a different race entirely and has nothing to do with Koopas on anything other than a social level, the possibility that he was once a normal Koopa who was altered through magic, or even, as you said, the possibility that he's a half-breed of a koopa and something else.
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Post by: Tingrio on July 15, 2005, 10:20:44 AM
Dinosaur Island: Includes the world map of Super Mario World, not excluding Yoshi’s Island, which, individually, contains the map of Super Mario World 2: Yoshi’s Island. Neither area has any government, and Yoshi’s Island is home to the largest population of Yoshis on Plit. It has no standing army. The Dark Mines (Bowser’s HQ in Super Mario World) lie under the central pool and are, to all knowledge, uninhabited.
Kooparian: Includes all the lands of the Super Mario Bros. 3 map, each one representing a separate kingdom under the command of its respective Koopaling king or queen. Despite each kingdom’s possession of an army, all the individual armies are loosely united under the distant rule of King Bowser. Dark Land is, to all knowledge, uninhabited except for bandits and thievery guilds.
The Mushroom Kingdom: Includes the world map for Super Mario RPG, sans Nimbus Land, Vista Hill, and Yo’ster Isle. Towns and lands from Paper Mario are placed arbitrarily in the same general area that the Plumber’s Pad, Bandit’s Way, etc. are placed in the SMRPG world map, according to the ordering of the overworld in Paper Mario. Lavalava Island is found off the coast of this area, towards the equator. The Mushroom Village is the town called the Mushroom Kingdom in SMRPG and serves as the capital for the Mushroom Kingdom in this novel. The Mushroom Kingdom is an aristocratic republic, with the princess as a figurehead of the old monarchy and the chairperson of the current Senate.
Nimbus Land: Includes the cloud-bound kingdom as represented in SMRPG. It sprouts off of Land’s End, which is part of the Mushroom Kingdom, and becomes Nimbus Land after the Vine Highway, which is neutral territory. The form of government is an absolute monarchy, and enrollment in the Nimbian Royal Army is mandatory for all males under a certain age.
Proarctica: Includes all the north pole ice cap of Plit and is, to all knowledge, completely uninhabited. Almost nothing is known about this mysterious place.
Salinia: Salinia is basically the Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door game map, which includes Rogueport, Boggly Woods, Twilight Town, etc. At the beginning of Songs of the Silent Age, it is revealed to no longer be a territory of the Mushroom Kingdom. (Chapter Six: The Revelation at Rose Town.)
Sarasaland: Includes the lands detailed in Super Mario Land. Little is known about the four regions of Sarasaland, but they have recently, and apparently, been united under a new republic. The whereabouts of the old monarchy, including Princess Daisy, are unknown.
Tropacine Isles: Includes the Isles Soshi, Uliania, and Delfino. The first is largely uninhabited due to a frequently active volcano, and the second is home to an agrarian society of Pianta. Delfino serves as the capital of the Islands, and contains all of the lands presented in Super Mario Sunshine. Most of the Noki population resides in a chain of underwater cities peppered between the Tropacine Isles, the hidden capital of which is rumored to be known as Meridian. There once existed a loosely connected army of Noki, Pianta, and Yoshis that were formed largely to protect sea trade from pirate groups.
Vista Hill: Includes the massive castle of King Bowser of the Royal Koopa Kingdom. Although it contains a formidable army and navy, including an extensive underground community and training grounds, King Bowser also holds a loose command over the armies of his seven children, who rule over the seven habitable kingdoms of Kooparian.
Yo’ster Isle: A free province of the Mushroom Kingdom without need of any government. Holding the second-largest population of Yoshis in the world, it is a favored vacation spot for thrill-seekers and lovers of the Yoshi race.
"We''re sorry you didn''t win any money, but you will be receiving a broken clavicle and a jar of olives courtesy of Match Game"-Gene Rayburn
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Post by: Glorb on July 15, 2005, 12:16:11 PM
Well, this is where the signature goes...
Post by: Tingrio on July 15, 2005, 01:39:39 PM
"We''re sorry you didn''t win any money, but you will be receiving a broken clavicle and a jar of olives courtesy of Match Game"-Gene Rayburn
Post by: kamikaze koopa on July 15, 2005, 03:35:26 PM
Oh, and where does everybody get the name Plit from? I keep seeing it everywhere, but as far as I know it's never been mentioned in any of the games or comics or anything.
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Post by: Tingrio on July 18, 2005, 09:11:33 AM
Here is one of the places on Plit that I created myself...
Yosirus Island: A island below the equator where the native island yoshis use the legendary magic of the mystical shaman-yoshi Yosirus. Treasure hides one a small island part of Yosirus Island named the 100,000 Dollar Pyramid (after that very same game show) Both islands have a tropical scenery (of course) and are also very warm and humid in all seasons.
Thers's more to come and I'll give more information about Laplithia next time I reply.
"We''re sorry you didn''t win any money, but you will be receiving a broken clavicle and a jar of olives courtesy of Match Game"-Gene Rayburn
Edited by - Tingrio on 7/18/2005 8:12:56 AM
Post by: Glorb on July 18, 2005, 12:31:47 PM
Well, this is where the signature goes...
Post by: kamikaze koopa on July 18, 2005, 04:59:12 PM
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Post by: Tingrio on July 19, 2005, 06:39:27 PM
"We''re sorry you didn''t win any money, but you will be receiving a broken clavicle and a jar of olives courtesy of Match Game"-Gene Rayburn
Edited by - Tingrio on 7/19/2005 6:26:11 PM
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on October 01, 2005, 08:51:32 PM
I updated this because I had this idea i wanted to share. Someone once asked why the Yoshis always wear saddles and somehow I got an idea why. Here goes: the Yoshis are a specie of dinosarus that have lived for thousands of years and multiplied like colorful bunnies, but didn't always wear sandles. But then one day a wise old gray Yoshi who was close to death either had a vision or went ahead in time somehow and saw Mario riding them to save their Island and their babies. He quickly told the other Yoshis about this and they all got so excited they decided to wear sandles so that as soon as this Mario guy showed up any one of them could help him. And maybe in Yoshi's Island they just didn't recognize him as the saviour of their world.
Wow, Tingrio has some really deep and interesting stuff there. Good imagination!
Edit: Dude! I didn't realise how many spelling errors I made!
And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
Edited by - Yoshisaurus Rex on 10/7/2005 4:04:35 PM
Post by: BP on October 03, 2005, 01:02:56 AM
Koopa Troopa
Koopa Paratroopa
Spiny
Spike Top
Buzzy beetle
parabuzzy
S. parabuzzy
Lakitu
super koopa
magikoopa
whatever you'd call bowser
dry bones etc.
dark lakitu
sky blue spiny
Dark Koopa
Shady Koopa
Red Paratroopa :P
and Yoshi. it does look a little similar... I think its "saddle" is a shell. observe th yoshis on SMW2. They already had "saddles" but had never been ridden before. There you go. And yes, spinies and Buzzies are koopas, they just walk on all fours for one of 2 reasons: their legs are short or they want to have high defense.
If birds breathed fire everytime they posted, the forum would''ve blow''d up by now.
Edited by - Bird Person on 10/3/2005 12:06:39 AM
Post by: HolyAarom on October 03, 2005, 02:17:31 PM
Mario Mario he''s our man, if he can''t triple-jump and ground-pound no one can!
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on October 07, 2005, 05:08:31 PM
New theory on DK characters! They exist in a universe where two things that would normally not make sense in our world are perfectly normal in their world. You should see what they do between the games, you would not believe it.
And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
Post by: BP on October 07, 2005, 07:13:50 PM
It''s in a better place, Strong Bad. Or rather, it''s in the same place but now it''s got a big hole through it.
Post by: HolyAarom on October 07, 2005, 07:30:47 PM
Naruto, Code:Lyoko, Zatch Bell, Bomberman, and Mario Pwns.
Post by: BP on October 08, 2005, 07:37:18 PM
Those red things in my awesome picture aren't arms & legs, it's an x over flurrie.
You''re all my FFFFs. My Freakin'' Fungi Forum Friends!
You''re all my FFFFs . My Freakin'' Fungi Forum Friends!
Edited by - Bird Person on 10/9/2005 1:12:04 AM
Post by: HolyAarom on October 09, 2005, 10:22:51 AM
Naruto, Code:Lyoko, Zatch Bell, Bomberman, and Mario Pwns.
Post by: BP on October 10, 2005, 12:54:34 AM
I thought that was one of Vivian's cool features. You can walk up stairs and get her stuch outside of them and observe how tall she gets!
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Post by: HolyAarom on October 10, 2005, 07:11:42 AM
Naruto, Code:Lyoko, Zatch Bell, Bomberman, and Mario Pwns.
Post by: BP on October 10, 2005, 09:49:01 PM
Why do they give electric toothbrushes names like there are different models? They''re not cars!
Edited by - Bird Person on 10/10/2005 8:55:39 PM
Post by: HolyAarom on October 11, 2005, 05:55:07 PM
Mario, Mario, He''s our man, If he can''t triple-jump and ground pound no one can!
Post by: BP on October 11, 2005, 06:14:44 PM
Why do they give electric toothbrushes names like there are different models? They''re not cars!
Post by: HolyAarom on October 11, 2005, 06:18:16 PM
Mario and Luigi They''re our men, If they can''t triple-jump and ground pound no one can!
Post by: HolyAarom on October 11, 2005, 06:18:16 PM
Mario and Luigi They''re our men, If they can''t triple-jump and ground pound no one can!
Post by: HolyAarom on October 11, 2005, 06:18:16 PM
Mario and Luigi They''re our men, If they can''t triple-jump and ground pound no one can!
Post by: HolyAarom on October 11, 2005, 06:19:01 PM
Mario and Luigi They''re our men, If they can''t triple-jump and ground pound no one can!
Post by: BP on October 11, 2005, 06:24:38 PM
Why do they give electric toothbrushes names like there are different models? They''re not cars!
Post by: HolyAarom on October 12, 2005, 04:02:27 PM
Mario and Luigi They''re our men, If they can''t triple-jump and ground pound no one can!
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on October 14, 2005, 09:41:02 PM
I got me another idear! How does Mario hold his breath so long in SMB1, 3, etc, but not others? At first I thought it could be some kind of futuristic breathing thing but then I got a better idea. What if, after Mario beat a level and got ready for a water one, he ate some kind of blue mushroom that let him breath underwater forever? And then that item didn't appear in other games because (next theory) items occasionally change in the boxes or just different items in different areas.
Right now I'm listening to a symphony play the SSBM Mach Rider song on WTMK and it's really neat. What's this now? Oh SMW! Great!
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Edited by - Yoshisaurus Rex on 10/14/2005 8:43:07 PM
Post by: HolyAarom on October 15, 2005, 08:14:25 AM
Mario and Luigi They’re our men, if they can’t triple-jump and ground-pound no one can!
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on October 15, 2005, 09:03:55 AM
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Post by: HolyAarom on October 15, 2005, 01:33:30 PM
Mario and Luigi They’re our men, if they can’t triple-jump and ground-pound no one can!
Post by: BP on October 15, 2005, 06:18:41 PM
Mario's supposed to run faster, but Luigi's supposed to jump higher. It ticked me off in SSB when Luigi did everything one step better than Mario.
Me: Hooray, it''s raining money and double apostrophes!!!
Mom: Wake up or you''ll miss the bus.
Post by: HolyAarom on October 15, 2005, 06:19:48 PM
Mario and Luigi They’re our men, if they can’t triple-jump and ground-pound no one can!
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on October 15, 2005, 09:58:57 PM
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Post by: HolyAarom on October 16, 2005, 05:34:09 AM
Mario and Luigi They’re our men, if they can’t triple-jump and ground-pound no one can!
Post by: BP on October 16, 2005, 11:16:22 AM
Me: Hooray, it''s raining money and double apostrophes!!!
Mom: Wake up or you''ll miss the bus.
Post by: Markio on October 16, 2005, 01:14:18 PM
“Of all the people I know, it is expected that Watoad will say ‘cheese’ first.â€
Post by: HolyAarom on October 16, 2005, 03:16:26 PM
Mario and Luigi They’re our men, if they can’t triple-jump and ground-pound no one can!
Post by: PaperLuigi on October 16, 2005, 03:30:08 PM
I''m-a Luigi! Number-a one!
Edited by - PaperLuigi on 10/16/2005 2:32:08 PM
Post by: BP on October 16, 2005, 04:41:35 PM
Me: Hooray, it''s raining money and double apostrophes!!!
Mom: Wake up or you''ll miss the bus.
Post by: HolyAarom on October 16, 2005, 05:34:20 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on October 17, 2005, 05:31:40 PM
Post by: Bigluigifan1.0 on October 17, 2005, 05:46:18 PM
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Post by: yoshimastar on October 24, 2005, 10:32:05 AM
Edited by - YoshiMastar on 10/24/2005 9:33:56 AM
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Post by: yoshimastar on October 24, 2005, 09:42:03 PM
Post by: br0kebusta on November 02, 2005, 04:59:45 PM
I think some stuff in the Mario games should be kinda ignored, like how come Mario can breath underwater or like how come Yoshis have shoes.
I see the Mario games as telling and old legend that over the time evolved, had information lost and information added.
Kinda like most of today's fairy tales. When they were written, they weren't ment for kids, but over the time, it became stories for lil kids.. You see what i'm trying to say?
By the way, I'm making this Mario flash animation, based on what I just said. I know a lot of Mario fans will hate it.. It's kinda hard to explain what I'm doing, but I hope this picture will help.
And here's my boo
Edited by - br0kebusta on 11/2/2005 3:24:01 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on November 02, 2005, 07:50:41 PM
Post by: br0kebusta on November 03, 2005, 02:56:04 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on November 03, 2005, 09:24:16 PM
Post by: br0kebusta on November 04, 2005, 02:22:24 PM
Just look at the way Peach is dressed. Or having Kingdoms controled by royalty, instead of Nations being controled by the Goverment.
Post by: HolyAarom on November 04, 2005, 03:08:59 PM
Mario and Luigi They’re our men, if they can’t triple-jump and ground-pound no one can!
Post by: yoshimastar on November 04, 2005, 11:01:53 PM
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on November 06, 2005, 03:47:54 PM
But if anyone feels like more questions... how did Bowser lose his power to curse people? And how can Mario go down pipes with piranha plants in them?
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Post by: BP on November 06, 2005, 05:29:00 PM
b) um... pixels are flat and therefore he can slip past the plant? maybe? I don't know!
Corn is no place for a mighty warrior!
Post by: HolyAarom on November 06, 2005, 06:11:13 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on November 06, 2005, 08:28:57 PM
And he doesn't get sleep. Same with Star Fox.
Edited by - YoshiMastar on 11/7/2005 3:54:22 PM
Post by: Bigluigifan1.0 on November 06, 2005, 08:45:53 PM
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Post by: HolyAarom on November 07, 2005, 04:07:02 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on November 07, 2005, 05:54:50 PM
Post by: BP on November 07, 2005, 10:06:17 PM
Corn is no place for a mighty warrior!
Edited by - Bird Person on 11/7/2005 8:08:11 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on November 08, 2005, 08:06:28 PM
Post by: BP on November 09, 2005, 01:29:47 AM
Corn is no place for a mighty warrior!
Post by: HolyAarom on November 09, 2005, 04:02:15 PM
Post by: BP on November 26, 2005, 10:51:48 PM
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on November 26, 2005, 11:00:13 PM
Actually, I think he just goes through a dark dimensional portal that threatens to kill him, but his extra lives allow him to return back. that is, until he runs out.
Post by: yoshimastar on November 26, 2005, 11:28:39 PM
Post by: Screech on November 26, 2005, 11:46:40 PM
Kind of like games with multiple endings, that have a sequel. The "Good" ending is always canonical.
Post by: Ultima Shadow on November 27, 2005, 02:09:23 AM
Post by: yoshimastar on November 27, 2005, 01:49:58 PM
Post by: Yoshisaurus Rex on November 27, 2005, 07:32:01 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on November 27, 2005, 08:58:29 PM
But we're getting off topic.
Post by: Ultima Shadow on November 27, 2005, 11:20:09 PM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on November 28, 2005, 12:15:27 AM
If you notice, James disappears as soon as he flies out of the tunnel.
Post by: HolyAarom on January 08, 2006, 02:23:40 PM
Post by: BP on January 09, 2006, 02:28:40 AM
Post by: Bigluigifan1.0 on January 09, 2006, 02:13:37 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on January 09, 2006, 05:54:12 PM
Post by: Sapphira on January 11, 2006, 05:26:12 PM
Post by: BP on January 11, 2006, 07:17:16 PM
Post by: Sapphira on January 12, 2006, 12:24:53 AM
Post by: BP on January 12, 2006, 01:38:26 AM
Mario & Luigi get infnite freballs, which wouldbe natural if they were fiery. Dr. Mario gets infinite megavitamins, but he also does in Dr. Mario... Link & Young link get infinite bombs & arrows, and if they lose their boomerang they always have a backup. Sheik never runs out of needles. Yoshi never runs out of eggs, as we've established. Peach pulls out infinite veggies without grass being visible before pulling. The pokemon never run out of PP. Mr. G&W never runs out of sausages (oh wait, he doesn't in chef ether.), Fox & Falco's guns never run out of ammo*, Kirby never runs out of final cutters, but the blue thingy you see fly off is probably a sonic wave. Samus doesn't run out of missiles or beams, or those little v+B bombs*. Ness doesn't run out of his powers*, and I think that's about it. My conclusion: SSBM is awesome.
*if they don't run out even in the main games, that's my bad.
Post by: Clark Beyer on January 15, 2006, 10:18:50 AM
Post by: yoshimastar on January 15, 2006, 02:30:34 PM
Post by: BP on January 16, 2006, 01:54:36 AM
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Post by: Kojinka on January 23, 2006, 08:37:18 PM
Post by: Wumbo on January 27, 2006, 09:59:57 PM
Birdo: When I think of Birdo as a race I see three possiblities.
1) Birdoes are either male or female but males are cross-desseres just because. And males are still straight.
2) Like Jigglypuffs in Pokemon, Female Birdoes out number Male Birdoes, like 4-1. Again, males are straight also.
3) All Birdoes are female and can breed with any other race.
DK: As far as I'm concern, I'm sticking with Rareware's DK. Why?
1): If I went by Nintendo's version, that means DK. Jr. disappeared. And what's worse, his father wouldn't seem to notice or care
2): If I went by Nintnedo's version, it would mean Candy Kong is mother of DK Jr., even though she looks like she never gave birth
Post by: Firebrand102 on January 27, 2006, 10:01:26 PM
How exactly does a fire-flower work?
Post by: Ultima Shadow on January 27, 2006, 10:12:39 PM
When he becomes Fire Mario, he absorbs the energy, and it changes his physical appearance, and enables him to shoot smaller fireballs.
However, in SSB, he only picks it up, and is able to shoot more flame, but it doesn't make him any stronger. That's my theory.
Post by: Firebrand102 on January 28, 2006, 11:43:00 AM
Post by: Hydra_Hunter on January 28, 2006, 03:54:37 PM
I tend to dissagee with the yoshi's island games (and M&L PiT) because it goes against what nintendo originally said (I think its what they said) that mario and luigi were plumbers and accedentally came to the mushroom kingdom by going through a pipe. also the story of the donkey kong arcade game wont make sense cuz pauline wouldnt of have existed.also how are they italian (+ accent) if they were born and raised in TMK? most people say they came from brooklyn (may not have been born there), which makes sence cuz they speek english with an italian accent. (and yes, this is not just cuz its in america, in Japan, they (+ all the mario characters) speak english, and theres japanese subtitles.) does this make english is the official language of TMK? :)
what do you think?
Post by: Peach on January 28, 2006, 03:55:18 PM
Post by: Toad on January 28, 2006, 04:29:26 PM
Yes, Yoshi's Island told us that they were born (or delivered) in TMK, but Mr and Mrs Mario might have taken them to the real world to protect them (you know, from Bowser's troops and other such evil that is in the MK..)
The Bros grew up in the real world, and then one day, following the sound of a cry for help (and wondering why monsters were coming from the plumbing), they ended up in the MK, and.. well, you know the rest.
What I want to know is why Donkey Kong keeps appearing in Mario games, if he's supposed to be from the real world (since the original DK game took place at a construction site..)?
Post by: Peach on January 28, 2006, 04:33:00 PM
Post by: Toad on January 28, 2006, 04:55:28 PM
Post by: Peach on January 28, 2006, 04:57:45 PM
Post by: Koopaslaya on January 28, 2006, 04:58:32 PM
Post by: Kojinka on January 28, 2006, 05:15:26 PM
Post by: Toad on January 28, 2006, 05:16:23 PM
Isn't this germane to Mariology?
Probably, yeah. :)
Post by: PaperLuigi on January 28, 2006, 07:30:33 PM
Post by: Toad on January 28, 2006, 07:37:33 PM
Mario holds it in his hand and it releases flame, I think. However, sometimes, he can absorb its power- making himself stronger, but the Fire Flower weaker.
When he becomes Fire Mario, he absorbs the energy, and it changes his physical appearance, and enables him to shoot smaller fireballs.
However, in SSB, he only picks it up, and is able to shoot more flame, but it doesn't make him any stronger. That's my theory.
When Mario picks it up, the magic of the flower is transferred to him, changing his appearance and making the flower a normal flower. That's why/how he doesn't absorb the ones in SSB.
Post by: Ultima Shadow on January 28, 2006, 07:39:57 PM
Post by: BP on January 28, 2006, 07:46:29 PM
Post by: Bigluigifan1.0 on January 28, 2006, 08:05:11 PM
But I agree with the rest, should be merged.
LOL, I'm working on a fan-fic on how all Mario games connect .....
Post by: BP on January 28, 2006, 11:55:52 PM
As adults, they lived in Brooklyn.
As babies they lived in the Mushroom Kingdom (delivered there by stork, according to YI, still living there when Shroobs attacked)
Maybe their parents were killed by the Shroobs and they were sent to be adopted by Brooklynites? Then they lived there until their plumbing job in Mario Bros, and found the Mushroom Kingdom in ruin through a pipe and SMB began.
Post by: yoshimastar on January 29, 2006, 12:00:52 AM
Post by: BP on January 29, 2006, 12:09:44 AM
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Post by: Toad on January 29, 2006, 01:44:36 AM
Or how about, he eats the flower, like a mushroom, and its power flows through his bloodstream, changing his appearance, and the power is sent to his hand. It's a game, they don't tell you-- that's what makes the theories fun.
Would you want to eat something that gave you the power to shoot fire from your hands? I bet if they cooked the flowers first, it would spontaneously combust. XD
Post by: BP on January 29, 2006, 02:42:23 AM
Post by: Hydra_Hunter on January 29, 2006, 05:59:37 AM
Isn't this germane to Mariology?
oops sorry bout that.. should I close this and put it in mariology?
Why does mario and luigi have an Italian accent then? everyone says they're italian...and if their parents were born in TMK, they wouldnt be italian.
Post by: Kojinka on January 29, 2006, 10:40:10 AM
Why does mario and luigi have an Italian accent then? everyone says they're italian...and if their parents were born in TMK, they wouldnt be italian.Look at my theory in my last post. I think they were raised by an Italian American family in Brooklyn. That would probably explain their accent.
Post by: yoshimastar on January 29, 2006, 10:54:40 AM
Post by: Hydra_Hunter on February 02, 2006, 04:14:40 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on February 02, 2006, 05:36:35 PM
Post by: Hydra_Hunter on February 04, 2006, 10:13:56 PM
Post by: BP on February 05, 2006, 02:55:13 AM
Daisy- Sarsara Land
Wario- Possibly The Mushroom Kingdom, a different world that oppositely mirrors the Mushroom Kingdom, or a mad scientist's test tube.
Waluigi- See Wario.
Post by: Bigluigifan1.0 on February 05, 2006, 08:54:18 AM
Post by: BP on February 05, 2006, 05:06:33 PM
Post by: Toad on February 05, 2006, 08:45:54 PM
In Wario Ware games, it shows Diamond City is where Wario lives, so that's my guess.
That would be my guess too..
Also, I just thought of something.. Why did Wario have to create a company just to make a few coins?
It's not like coins are hard to come by in the Musrhoom KIngdom (or lands surrounding)..
Just jump down the right pipes, jump off the right note blocks, or simply look in the air around you.. Coins!
.. that would also explain why Mushroom and Koopa Castles look diffferent in every game; the remodleing must cost a fortune, but it's easy to make a fortune with all the coins floating in the air..
Post by: BP on February 05, 2006, 11:34:03 PM
Post by: Toad on February 07, 2006, 12:39:10 AM
That reminds me. I noticed a mistake of some sort in Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time. In the past, Bowser's castle is modeled after Prince Bowser's head. In the present, it's the same--they didn't change the design to match King Bowser. Watch the top screen next time you jump in a time hole.
I have yet to play M&L:PiT..
Also, another question (or quirk) about the Mario-verse.. Why does Bowser continually kidnap the Princess (and Toad, on occasion) when he has failed time and time again?
It's not like he doesn't have his own Kingdom, and I know he would like to have the Mushroom Kingdom too, but you'd think they could work out a time-share thing or something, since Peach and Bowser have known eachother for 20+ years.
Post by: Ultima Shadow on February 07, 2006, 12:51:11 AM
SMBLL: Because... yeah.
SMB3: To take over the Mushroom World!
SMW: Uh... I dunno.
SM64: Peach has a very nice castle/an ambush for Mario
SMS: To frame Mario, then leave him on Delfino while Peach slaves away in Bowser's dungeon? I haven't played SMS...
SM64DS: Same as SM64.
My theories...
stink. *Sweatdrops*
Post by: Hydra_Hunter on February 07, 2006, 03:55:17 PM
this has always made me wonder
Post by: Bigluigifan1.0 on February 07, 2006, 04:10:18 PM
Post by: Sapphira on February 07, 2006, 07:49:21 PM
I picture the Bros. as somewhere around their late twenties, regardless of people calling them "middle aged old guys" or something. They can't be much older than Peach, and she looks like she could be in her 20s.
If you look at the games...
Bowser was a toddler in SMW2 when the Bros. were newborns. Evidence: Bowser could talk in short sentences, but babyish, and I don't even need to say anything about the bros.
In M&L:PiT, Bowser seemed about 5 (could talk in coherent sentences, but behaved like a "little kid"), the Bros. toddlers (I'd say 2 1/2? Evidence: Could walk and talk short phrases), and Peach a baby (~9 months? Evidence: No walking or actual words spoken).
Granted, Baby Mario could run/walk as a newborn in SMW2, but only under the Star's power.
So, um...yeah.
My theory is that characters don't age very fast or time goes by much more slowly. I do NOT put them in the same timeline as "ours".
I remember in PM:TTYD, Toadsworth was given a specific age. 62? I don't remember exactly. This also suggests the Mario Universe is on a different time setting than ours, as well as a way to approximate the others' ages, since we can guestimate his age in PiT that he's in his 30s or 40s. Or not. That's personal speculation. Meh. ...But I don't think he could've been much younger than that in PiT, suggesting the Bros. can't be THAT old.
Post by: yoshimastar on February 08, 2006, 10:23:34 AM
Post by: Bigluigifan1.0 on February 08, 2006, 10:56:58 AM
Post by: yoshimastar on February 08, 2006, 01:25:13 PM
The Mushrooms could have preserved their youth.
And if your fit and active your in good shape in your late 30's.
Post by: Sapphira on February 08, 2006, 05:33:13 PM
Also, this theory is flawed in considering Peach. PiT shows she's a baby when the Bros. are toddlers, meaning she's not much younger than them. If the Bros. are, say, 43 now, that'd make her about 41. I don't know about you, but I don't see HOW she could pass as 41. She looks closer 16 than she does 41, I'd say. Since she and the Bros. are about the same age, and considering their appearances, putting them in their 20s to early 30s makes the most sense.
Now, one could argue that their time goes by as ours does, but they simply remain young looking for a long time, and not look their ages at all. Like, say, they age twice as slow as us. However, this cannot be the case since Toadsworth has a specific age (as do other characters)--62, if I remember right. He looks his age. If they aged slower but time went by as ours does, going by how he'd look, his age would be something like 120.
And again, the Bros. and Toadsworth have GOT to be way more than 20 years apart.
Post by: BP on February 09, 2006, 01:10:49 AM
Post by: Toad on February 09, 2006, 06:19:50 PM
Post by: Ultima Shadow on February 10, 2006, 12:09:57 AM
Post by: yoshimastar on February 10, 2006, 10:37:32 AM
How morbid.
Post by: Bigluigifan1.0 on February 10, 2006, 10:45:11 AM
Post by: Serafina Pekkala on February 10, 2006, 11:15:40 AM
Post by: yoshimastar on February 10, 2006, 11:54:13 AM
Post by: HolyAarom on February 10, 2006, 03:22:59 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on February 10, 2006, 03:49:25 PM
http://www.kisland.net/updates/images/sizechart.jpg
Post by: HolyAarom on February 10, 2006, 03:58:43 PM
Yoshi, Koopas, and Shy Guys could be bigger:
http://www.kisland.net/updates/images/sizechart.jpg
Yeah, nice, I was going to post that too.
Post by: Kojinka on February 10, 2006, 04:19:19 PM
Post by: Firebrand102 on February 11, 2006, 10:23:31 PM
What I'd like to know is: How can a Thwomp float up there...?
Post by: Sapphira on February 11, 2006, 10:32:17 PM
Floating blocks have always intrigued me. I say magic, or something.
Yoshi mastar's second most-recent post gave an interesting insight.
Post by: yoshimastar on February 11, 2006, 10:45:37 PM
Post by: BP on February 11, 2006, 11:08:05 PM
Post by: Sapphira on February 11, 2006, 11:13:08 PM
Post by: BP on February 11, 2006, 11:24:11 PM
Post by: Toad on February 12, 2006, 01:18:10 AM
Made me think of a question though.. How big/tall would a Lakitu and/or a Pirahna Plant be without their clouds/pipes?.. and aren't those all based on their Mario Baseball appearances?
Post by: Clark Beyer on February 13, 2006, 07:40:12 AM
Lakitus...I dunno. Maybe really short koopas or something.
Post by: yoshimastar on February 13, 2006, 05:29:40 PM
Post by: HolyAarom on February 13, 2006, 05:35:06 PM
Post by: Toad on February 14, 2006, 08:53:04 PM
Post by: BP on February 14, 2006, 10:09:23 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on February 14, 2006, 11:05:18 PM
Post by: Otaku1990 on February 15, 2006, 08:42:43 AM
What do you think is under Shy Guys mask?
My theory: It's a shy Toadie without the ability to fly. They wear the same clothes as Shy Guys, just without the belt.
Yeah, I know, in Luigi's Mansion there wasn't anything underneath the mask except of two glowing eyes but they were just ghosts, weren't they?
On the other hand, it must be something scary, because of the trophy-sequence in Mario Power Tennis... But isn't Luigi afraid of everything? XD"
Post by: Super Caterina! on February 15, 2006, 10:10:06 AM
I bet this question was asked before, but the search didn't spit out anything...
What do you think is under Shy Guys mask?
My theory: It's a shy Toadie without the ability to fly. They wear the same clothes as Shy Guys, just without the belt.
Yeah, I know, in Luigi's Mansion there wasn't anything underneath the mask except of two glowing eyes but they were just ghosts, weren't they?
On the other hand, it must be something scary, because of the trophy-sequence in Mario Power Tennis... But isn't Luigi afraid of everything? XD"
He could have been surprised! =D
Post by: Pt_Peach on February 15, 2006, 04:01:15 PM
Who are Princess Peach's parents?
Pt_peach's theory: I really think that there used to be more humans in the Mushroom Kingdom. I think it is, in fact, rediculous that Toadsworth can be her father. I think if he was and Peach's mother (whosoever she may be) must've been a human. But I don't think a cross of a human and a toad would look like Peach so maybe Peach was adopted by Toadsworth and became like a daughter to him and he named her Princess. But wouldn't that make him King?
Post by: BP on February 15, 2006, 04:09:28 PM
Post by: Pt_Peach on February 15, 2006, 04:22:59 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on February 15, 2006, 05:21:37 PM
And Toadsworth could be Toad from SMB2.
And Shy Guys wear masks because they're obviously shy.
Post by: BP on February 15, 2006, 05:29:16 PM
Post by: Otaku1990 on February 16, 2006, 09:26:35 AM
@yoshimaster:
It's not why Shy Guys were masks, it's what is behind the mask :)
Post by: Kojinka on February 16, 2006, 10:34:11 AM
Kojinka's theory: Peach was an abandoned baby from the human world. Her drunken blood father tossed her into a warp pipe leading to the Mushroom World. The Mushroom royal family adopted her, and due to the king and queen's busy schedule, Toadsworth was assigned to babysit. Peach and Toadsworth's relationship is similar to that of Zelda and Impa.
Or perhaps Peach's human traits symbolise her as a sort of Princess of Destiny.
Post by: HolyAarom on February 16, 2006, 05:21:08 PM
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Post by: Toad on February 16, 2006, 07:19:25 PM
Or perhaps Peach's human traits symbolise her as a sort of Princess of Destiny.
That would go well with the Beanbean advisors' line in M&LSS.. "I cannot deny that such jumping is a trademark of the Mario and Luigi of legend." (or something like that.. how do I do italics, btw?)
.. and here's another question/theory thing: How do the warp pipes work? I once thought it was a vaccuum like effect, but then how could the Bros breathe when they go through pipes, and how would the Pirahna Plants live in the ones that are warp-able.. and how do the Bros stand on top of the pipes if they're supposed to be round (as seen in all 3D Mario games..)
Post by: BP on February 16, 2006, 07:40:29 PM
Peach and Toadsworth's relationship is similar to that of Zelda and Impa.That is a wonderful comparison. (See, like that.)
Warp pipes... Perhaps they do what the name implies... warp you, by portal, to another part of the world. Or, they send you there at warp speed. or perhaps they are just pipe systems where Mario has to walk there on his own, like "Pipe Vault" in SMRPG. Piranha plants were shown to have feet in M&L:PiT. Perhaps they use those feet to cling to the surface of the pipe.
Post by: Ultima Shadow on February 16, 2006, 11:33:28 PM
Anyway... I believe warp pipes are like Floo Powder in Harry Potter... which is basically what BP said. *Sweatdrops*
Post by: Otaku1990 on February 17, 2006, 05:30:18 AM
Then why didn't she fend herself when Bowser kidnapped her?Bowser kindnapped her BECAUSE she was the only one able to destory his plans of overhelming the Mushroom Kingdom. I think this was mentioned in the instruction booklet of Super Mario Bros. but I am not entirely sure.
@Warppipes:
Mario and Luigi can stand on them by putting on foot on every edge of the pipe.
How they work? My theorie is simple: Mario jumps into them, crawls through them, climbs them up at another place with his strong plumber-arms and -legs and then just climbs (or jumps) out of them.
The Piranha Plants construct a cork of roots to hold themselves on the same level and not falling down to the ground.
Post by: Kojinka on February 17, 2006, 04:58:08 PM
Bowser kindnapped her BECAUSE she was the only one able to destory his plans of overhelming the Mushroom Kingdom. I think this was mentioned in the instruction booklet of Super Mario Bros. but I am not entirely sure.That only explains why Bowser kidnapped her. That doesn't answer my question as to why she didn't fend herself when she could've kicked Bowser's butt. I guess there's the possibility that Bowser outnumbered her with his minions.
Post by: yoshimastar on February 17, 2006, 10:11:48 PM
At all?
Since many pipes stop at blocks it can't be a strait tunnel.
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg390.imageshack.us%2Fimg390%2F4020%2Fpipe7ba.png&hash=4d68c542f3ae1f761931a1525410ba22) (http://imageshack.us)
Post by: BP on February 17, 2006, 10:20:45 PM
Post by: Toad on February 18, 2006, 01:23:40 AM
Or the pipes in SM64's Tiny-Huge Island stage, how can big pipes be connected to smaller pipes and vice-versa?
.. and on enemies that live in pipes, how do the pipes in world 1-2 of SMB3 spit out endless Goombas and Spinies (Spiny Pipes were later in the game), or the pipes in SMW that had Lakitus living in them (with endless Spiny Eggs..)
So many pipe questions. The mind boggles..
Post by: BP on February 18, 2006, 01:27:47 AM
For the multiple destination pipes, it's easy--forks.
For the infinite enemy, it's the same as Hammer Bros.' hammers, Bullet Bills, Regula Lakitus, Fireballs, etc... infinite amounts.
Post by: Toad on February 18, 2006, 01:29:18 AM
For the multiple destination pipes, it's easy--forks.
Maybe I'm just tired, but I read that and thought about a kitchen utensil being inside a pipe.. :D
Post by: Otaku1990 on February 18, 2006, 06:18:17 AM
That only explains why Bowser kidnapped her. That doesn't answer my question as to why she didn't fend herself when she could've kicked Bowser's butt. I guess there's the possibility that Bowser outnumbered her with his minions.Yeah, that's what I think, too. And there was Kamek with him and his magic may have been bigger than Peach's.
Pipes are so mysterious...
Post by: Kojinka on February 18, 2006, 11:40:03 AM
I think the toads are gonna have to develop a defensive military unit soon.
Post by: Otaku1990 on February 18, 2006, 01:33:57 PM
Post by: Kojinka on February 18, 2006, 08:13:26 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on February 18, 2006, 09:20:37 PM
But most of the moves in the game are impossible in real life.
( I'm sure a large fire breathing monster can overwelm a chick with a golf club and turnips )
Post by: Kojinka on February 18, 2006, 09:39:41 PM
Post by: Toad on February 18, 2006, 11:16:53 PM
.. and we saw a playable Toad in SMB2 and Wario's Woods (not to mention that the original Mario Kart was out at that point too).
Post by: yoshimastar on February 18, 2006, 11:39:13 PM
Just for show.
Post by: Otaku1990 on February 19, 2006, 04:03:58 AM
@Toad:
He was playable, but he didn't fight.
But wait! In Paper Mario, there was a dojo with lots of little Kung Fu-Toads ^_^
Post by: BP on February 19, 2006, 09:28:49 PM
Post by: Toad on February 20, 2006, 01:40:49 AM
But wait! In Paper Mario, there was a dojo with lots of little Kung Fu-Toads ^_^
Yes, but I am talking about the one Toad. The one that's been playable in every game that has had a playable Toad (i'm assuming it's the same Toad).
I really hate how Nintendo decided to make the entire race Toads, and to have one named Toad as well. He lost his identity, and things get very confusing when talking about the mushroom people.
It's just like how there's Yoshi, and then there's Yoshies, or there's Birdo, and then there's Birdos, or Subcons and Subcons, Shyguy and Shyguys,..
Post by: Super Caterina! on February 20, 2006, 07:14:39 AM
I liked more the normal and nice Toad!!!!!!!!!
Post by: yoshimastar on February 20, 2006, 11:03:35 PM
Post by: BP on February 20, 2006, 11:07:27 PM
Post by: Toad on February 21, 2006, 12:16:35 AM
Or like with toads, all the girls would be called "Humanette."
But not all female mushroom people are toadettes, just the one. Just like not all male mushroom people are toads.
I know it's short for "toadstool", but they can come up with something else to call the mushroom people. Just leave the named two alone.. :)
Post by: NintendoExpert89 on February 21, 2006, 09:15:16 AM
I wanted to post this here after the discussion in this topic. (http://themushroomkingdom.net/board/index.php?topic=8151.msg78821#msg78821)
Post by: Sapphira on February 21, 2006, 02:23:29 PM
Their diet seems to consist mostly of mushrooms, but sweets seem to be really up there, too (syrups, cakes, cookies, etc.). I also vaguely remember them eating meat of some sort (GASP! They're omnivores!!); unfortunately, I can't remember what, exactly. I think it was either in PM2 or M&L2.
Yoshis mostly eat fruit, although I remember Toads eating fruit as well. Plants, vegatables, and nuts, too.
I also tend to think of it this way: in M&LSS, the dominant species were Beanbeans---humanoid beans--and their diet seems to consist mostly of beans. The "evolved" humanoid-hybrid species seem to eat their "devolved" counterparts. I would not call it cannibalism; the people are complex humanoids, while what they eat is simplistic.
NE said it very well.
As for the Toad/Yoshi thing, think of it this way: there are guys named "Guy".
Edit: Oh yeah, I was also going to comment on the Peach/Bowser thing. Peach has magical powers, yes, but so does Bowser. While she can fight up to a point, Bowser--not to mention Magikoopas and others that have magical abilities--can overwhelm her with their physical strength, as well.
Also, she's usually taken by surprise; when that happens, I imagine it's hard to quickly defend herself. Not to mention, if she can take one out, there's usually a whole gang of enemies, too. She's outnumbered.
In SSBM, I noticed that while she's extremely good at fighting, of all the fighters, Bowser seems to be able to toss her around the best; she's very agile and had great come-back abilities when thrown off-stage, but she's very light and Bowser is really powerful. Her agility makes up for the physical strength, but when taken off-guard....well, you get the idea by now.
Post by: Khold on February 21, 2006, 04:16:02 PM
Their diet seems to consist mostly of mushrooms,...
Ah!!!! Toads are CANNIBALS!!!!
Post by: Sapphira on February 21, 2006, 04:41:11 PM
Post by: Toad on February 21, 2006, 05:53:02 PM
I've never thought of Toads as being actual mushrooms; they're mushroom people. It does seem that they do have some mushroom-like qualities other than physical appearance. I can specifically think of M&LPiT (don't want to spoil, though), although I can't think of anything else specific off the top of my head (hehe).
You mean producing spores, right? *game spoilers ahead! Read at your own risk*
In Super Mario RPG, I think the Chancellor of Mushroom Kingdom said something about the sword's earthquake causing him to almost drop his spores.
In Mario Tennis 64, Toad's trophy sequence involved him tossing his trophy around happily, then accidently bonking himself on the head, making him produce spores (which seemed to immediatley grow into small mushrooms).
In Smash Bros Melee, when Peach used her B move (Retainer), and a when move is reflected, Toad produces spores once again.
I'm sure there are more, but that's all that I can think of.. :)
Post by: yoshimastar on February 21, 2006, 06:10:47 PM
When has Peach displayed magic?
Other than the spin off games.
Post by: Sapphira on February 21, 2006, 06:39:20 PM
2) Healing abilities: Therapy, Group Hug, Comeback (SMRPG)
3) Other magical abilities: Sleepy Time, Mute, and Psyche Bomb (SMRPG)
4) She also seems to have a certain power with the Stars, like with her wishes and such. (Various games)
5) In the SMB manual, it says, "she is the only one who can break the spell of the evil Koopa king" and is the "only one who can undo the magic spell on the Mushroom People and return them to their normal selves"
This stuff proves she has some sort of magical abilities.
Post by: NintendoExpert89 on February 21, 2006, 07:30:01 PM
Despite the physical and social gender differences within the mushroom peoples, they reproduce assexually. Toad and SMRPG's Chancellor appear socially and physically "male" but though they both produce spores. Females are also able to produce spores. The key feature is that the spores from both male mushrooms and female mushrooms have unique chromosomes that allow the resulting child to be a different gender from the parent. Unlike humans, whose genders either have XY or XX chromosomes, mushroom people have two X chromosomes and two Y chromosomes. All four chromosomes are passed to the child during reproduction, but the early of development, a random chromosome becomes dominant. If the Y chromosome is dominant, the mushroom person is "male", and if the X chromosome is dominant, the mushroom person is "female".
Post by: Khold on February 21, 2006, 07:57:42 PM
Anyway, Luigi seems to have a strange character in SSBM. His voice is different, he has different abilities than all the other games. He also has a weird stance. And isn't he supposed to be clumsier and afraid? I mean, it might be different in this game, because of the setting. Was Super Smash Brothers Melee actually made by a Nintendo company? It seems a little awkward.
Also, it seems as if Koopas aren't really Bowser's 'troopers' any more. As it said it in the past classic games(Super Mario World for one). Now they're just called Koopas. Well, I have a theory. Notice how they are called Koopa Troopas in the classic games. But in PM:TTYD They also called them Koopa Troopas. But, when they were known as Koopa Troopas, they were always 'the bad guy'.
Actually, it would seem they haven't made a Mario game with the whole 'Bowser kidnaps Peach', etc. Well, I guess Paper Mario TTYD would be one, but a game with classic gameplay. Has Bowser just gotten lazy? Mabey he's too busy practicing up for the next Mario sports game. <_</
Of course you all have noticed that Koopas are evolving, right? In SMB the stood on all fours. Now they are considered homo erectus. Mushroom Kingdom sure has a fast evolution rate. Goombas are the same, though, except in Super Mario World and Super Mario 64. They looked more like bubbles than rotten mushrooms.
That's a great idea, try to find all of the Mushroom Kingdom's enemies that have "evolved" since the classical games. ^_^
nintendoexpert89: That's not true. male's chromosomes are XY while female's is XX. Y is the male, while the female is X. It is very strange to think about if Mario characters reproduce. There's not really a scientific explaination for Mario characters. Nintendo isn't just going to explain all that, but it would be funny. Toads are more of an evolved super mushroom, I think. A goomba is just a rotten toad. I don't know, just my theory. Besides, in toads reproduction can be totally different. If a toad can even have more chromosomes. If they have a recessive gene, the outcomes could be totally different than a human. Even their cell developments can be different. In most organisms, cell will continue to divide until it has reached a certain pressure point where it can no longer divide. In toads, they could have less chromosomes, because they don't grow much. Their chromosomes could only be three, for example, meaning that they can only divide into three cells, making them three-fourths larger than a child toad. In a human, chromosomes can only split into two parts.
Wow, this is a weeeeiiirrd moment. We're talking about how toads reproduce. Look how low we've sunk. XD XD XD
Post by: yoshimastar on February 21, 2006, 08:03:41 PM
Remember not all of any species is under Bowser or anyones rule.
And Koopas can walk on all fours for extra speed I suppose.
Post by: Bigluigifan1.0 on February 21, 2006, 08:07:22 PM
Post by: BP on February 21, 2006, 08:09:07 PM
Perhaps some Koopas fled to fight with Bowser out of fear they would be conquered and were given the title "Troopa."
I said earlier that, although Koopas were on all fours in SMB, they were upright in SMW2. In the continuity-wise timeline, this means koopas were bipeds, devolved to quadrupeds, the re-evolved.
SSBM's goomba trophy said something about them betraying the Mushroom Kingdom....
Post by: Khold on February 21, 2006, 08:17:48 PM
I don't even know how we got to talking about that. We're all devoted Mario fans here, I guess. So devoted to be scientists to the Mario world.
Oops, I forgot that this was a 'serious posts' topic. Sorry. :-\This reminds me of a time we were talking about how toads came about, and their name. My teacher is a Mario freak too, so we were talking about it. It came down to toads and something about how grass grows... and toilets... I have NO idea how..........
Anyway, Luigi seems to have a strange character in SSBM. His voice is different, he has different abilities than all the other games. He also has a weird stance. And isn't he supposed to be clumsier and afraid? I mean, it might be different in this game, because of the setting. Was Super Smash Brothers Melee actually made by a Nintendo company? It seems a little awkward.
Also, it seems as if Koopas aren't really Bowser's 'troopers' any more. As it said it in the past classic games(Super Mario World for one). Now they're just called Koopas. Well, I have a theory. Notice how they are called Koopa Troopas in the classic games. But in PM:TTYD They also called them Koopa Troopas. But, when they were known as Koopa Troopas, they were always 'the bad guy'.
Actually, it would seem they haven't made a Mario game with the whole 'Bowser kidnaps Peach', etc. Well, I guess Paper Mario TTYD would be one, but a game with classic gameplay. Has Bowser just gotten lazy? Mabey he's too busy practicing up for the next Mario sports game. <_</
Of course you all have noticed that Koopas are evolving, right? In SMB the stood on all fours. Now they are considered homo erectus. Mushroom Kingdom sure has a fast evolution rate. Goombas are the same, though, except in Super Mario World and Super Mario 64. They looked more like bubbles than rotten mushrooms.
That's a great idea, try to find all of the Mushroom Kingdom's enemies that have "evolved" since the classical games. ^_^
nintendoexpert89: That's not true. male's chromosomes are XY while female's is XX. Y is the male, while the female is X. It is very strange to think about if Mario characters reproduce. There's not really a scientific explaination for Mario characters. Nintendo isn't just going to explain all that, but it would be funny. Toads are more of an evolved super mushroom, I think. A goomba is just a rotten toad. I don't know, just my theory. Besides, in toads reproduction can be totally different. If a toad can even have more chromosomes. If they have a recessive gene, the outcomes could be totally different than a human. Even their cell developments can be different. In most organisms, cell will continue to divide until it has reached a certain pressure point where it can no longer divide. In toads, they could have less chromosomes, because they don't grow much. Their chromosomes could only be three, for example, meaning that they can only divide into three cells, making them three-fourths larger than a child toad. In a human, chromosomes can only split into two parts.
Wow, this is a weeeeiiirrd moment. We're talking about how toads reproduce. Look how low we've sunk. XD XD XD
Post by: Kojinka on February 22, 2006, 07:37:36 AM
What I don't really get is how a character who doesn't really look like a regular koopa is known as 'Koopa' in Japan.
Post by: Otaku1990 on February 22, 2006, 08:46:29 AM
And Koopas can walk on all fours for extra speed I suppose.But actually they are a lot faster in their shells, as seen in Mario Power Tennis or Super Mario World (the invincible shell).
I like Luigi in SSBM more than the regular one. There he is more unique (and I am don't talking about the moves) and also his whole shape looks better. I can't explain exactly why.
I don't think Gumbas are de-evolved Toads. I think they are just a related species which is more bad guy-like.
Post by: Toad on February 22, 2006, 01:07:21 PM
But actually they are a lot faster in their shells, as seen in Mario Power Tennis or Super Mario World (the invincible shell).
and in Paper Mario, where moving quickly inside their shells made a "comeback" (like it was ever gone, or anything).
I love the way this topic started out about one thing, then turned into something else, which turned into something completely different.. :D
Post by: HolyAarom on February 23, 2006, 03:39:03 PM
Post by: Khold on February 23, 2006, 03:50:18 PM
When in the MB Movie did it say Koopas were known as 'shell creepers'?
Post by: Kojinka on February 23, 2006, 04:07:02 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on February 23, 2006, 10:06:32 PM
But actually they are a lot faster in their shells, as seen in Mario Power Tennis or Super Mario World (the invincible shell).
Yes but not all Koopas have access to invincible shells.
And if you even include the movie as cannon the goomba part still wouldnt make sense because many goombas are smart in the Paper Mario's and hate Bowser. Same for the Koopas.
Post by: Toad on February 24, 2006, 01:17:04 AM
Yes but not all Koopas have access to invincible shells.
And if you even include the movie as cannon the goomba part still wouldnt make sense because many goombas are smart in the Paper Mario's and hate Bowser. Same for the Koopas.
Yeah! I like the Mario RPG's (inlcuding the original Mario RPG for SNES) b/c it shows that while Bowser is/was powerful, he doesn't have total control over all Goombas/Koopas/Bloopers/Cheep-Cheeps..
Cheep-Cheeps.. what an odd name for a fish.
Post by: yoshimastar on February 24, 2006, 05:33:57 PM
Post by: Toad on February 26, 2006, 12:16:10 AM
Post by: NintendoExpert89 on March 01, 2006, 05:50:52 AM
Post by: Toad on March 02, 2006, 12:27:12 AM
Post by: DeadAwake on March 02, 2006, 01:51:13 PM
Quote
0028 MK
- Baby Mario is born
- Baby Luigi is born
- Baby Koopa is born
- While being transported to their destination home, stork drops baby Mario
- Yoshi’s Island begins
0010 MK
- Mario departs home, leaving Luigi to tend to things.
- Mario takes job jumping over barrels thrown by Donkey Kong
- Mario and Luigi have first run in with King Koopa in “Super Mario Bros.”
- After Koopa is defeated, he vows revenge.
0009 MK
- Exhausted from the journey to defeat Koopa, Mario falls asleep.
- Mario has a crazy dream in which sprites from the Mario world are pasted into the Doki Doki Panic world.
- Events of “Super Mario Bros. 2″
- When Mario wakes up, he is kidnapped.
0008 MK
- Luigi goes searching for Mario
- “Mario is Missing” begins
- Luigi locates Mario, but to his surprise it was all a trap to send them to an alternate dimension.
- Mario and Luigi are paper thin in this dimension. Alternate dimension Koopa is pretty [angry] with this revelation, determined to stop them from ruining this world like they did in the original dimension.
- Events of “Paper Mario” take place
0007 MK
- Events of “Paper Mario: Thousand Year Door” take place.
- Find wishing star again, wish themselves back to original dimension.
0006 MK
- Right away, Koopa kidnaps the princess again and Mario goes to save her. But a huge [edit] sword slams through the roof of Koopa castle.
- Events of “Super Mario RPG”
0005 MK
- Mario takes a break and tries to give up the hero business. Tries his hand at teaching math, typing, doctor, construction work and even dancing. Events of “Mario Teaches Typing”, “Mario Teaches Math”, “Dr Mario” and “DDR Mario” take place. Somehow, Koopa found a way to [edit] with all of it. So Mario goes back.
- Koopa has a new plan, so he orders 7 kids from the stork.
- Ludwig, Roy, Morton, Wendy, Iggy, Lemmy and Larry enter the world.
0001 MK
- After Mario re-enters the hero business, Bowser creates a fleet of airships.
- Mario is like ‘oh dukar’, and goes to destroy them. Defeats Koopa kids one by one.
- Events of “Super Mario Bros. 3.”
0003 BK
- Events of “Super Mario World”
- As a favour to Yoshi for helping out, they treat Yoshi to a Safari and also to cookies. “Yoshi’s Cookies” and “Yoshi Safari” occur
- Mario calls up Nintendo and gets Yoshi a contract for “Yoshi’s Story”.
- Koopa tries to go legit, creating family friendly hotels all around the land
0005 BK
- After getting into a drunken argument with Luigi, Mario swears Koopa is doing evil again and goes to shut down his hotels.
- Events of “Hotel Mario”
- Koopa swears off doing good, and vows revenge on the Mario Bros. once again.
0006 BK
- After using a 3D ray on all the world which turns everything into 3D, Bowser takes over Peach’s Castle.
- Mario is invited to a party, but it’s just a trap. Events of “Mario 64″
- After the party is saved (and turned into a neverending game series, “Mario Party”), Princess Peach sets up a series of sports tournaments around the mushroom kingdom.
0007 BK
- “Mario Golf” tournaments occurs
- “Mario 3 on 3 Basketball” tournaments occurs
- “Mario Kart” tournaments occurs
- “Mario Tennis” tournament occurs
- “Mario Baseball” tournament occurs
0008 BK
- Luigi is jealous that every sports tournament is named after his brother, so after he hears he has won a free mansion he goes off to live alone.
- But the mansion is filled with ghosts, and he has to suck that [edit] away.
- Events of “Luigi’s Mansion”
- Luigi is still [edit].
- Mario is starting to get pretty egotistical, and makes some offhanded comment about how platforming is a mans job. Not fit for girls. Peach storms off, starring in “Super Princess Peach”
0009 BK
- When Peach comes back, and Luigi comes back… they’re still angry. Mario is angry everyone left him without anything to do. Some Nintendo characters are furious that Nintendo went carts for N64. Koopa is [edit] at everything.
- “Super Smash Bros.” occurs. Everyone agrees the fighting calms some nerves. They should do it again sometime.
0010 BK
- And so they do it again, the following year. “Smash Bros. Melee” occurs.
0012 BK
- Mario agrees that it’s time to take a vacation. They fly to a beautiful island, except Bowser is back again. No break. Events of “Super Mario Sunshine”
0014 BK
- Mario learns of a time machine, which he thinks he could use to stop Koopa from ever coming to be. He uses it, but unfortunately he and Luigi are sent reeling throughout time.
- Events of “Mario in Time”
- At the end, Koopa damages their time machine and Mario and Luigi awake in Brooklyn, 1992.
0015 BK
- They become actual plumbers, and fight bowser and save peach again. “Mario Bros. The Movie” occurs
Post by: Toad on March 02, 2006, 05:51:41 PM
SSBM's goomba trophy said something about them betraying the Mushroom Kingdom....
You know, if the Goombas are supposed to be bad mushrooms, how come nobody has tried to eat one yet?
Post by: Khold on March 02, 2006, 06:31:52 PM
Post by: Toad on March 02, 2006, 06:43:13 PM
Toad would fit in one, since he and Koopa are about the same size (based on MKDD), but what about the other non-Koopa shell wearing characters?
I have a bunch of these type of questions.. :)
Post by: yoshimastar on March 02, 2006, 10:07:21 PM
The movie, sport and spin off games usually arn't considered cannon so there's some work on that timeline.
And a lot of it is really crappy explanations.
Post by: Kojinka on March 03, 2006, 04:10:41 PM
Post by: Toad on March 04, 2006, 12:16:13 AM
Remember in Ocarina of Time **spoilers ahead!**
.. where Zelda and Impa were fleeing from Hyrule and Zelda threw the Ocarina into the moat? Link picks it up and events in Ocarina of Time happen as they did, but in the ending, when Zelda transports Link back in time, maybe he has to collect the 3 Spirit Stones again, only when Link gets the Ocarina, he gets a different telepathic message, thus leading him into the events of Majoras' Mask (which wasn't that good of a game, imo).
But to stay on the topic of Mario: There is no timeline for the Mario games like there is for the Zelda/Metroid games.. the only games that seem to be in some order are Yoshi's Island, Donkey Kong, and Mario Bros.
Post by: BP on March 04, 2006, 12:20:59 AM
Post by: Toad on March 04, 2006, 12:21:59 AM
I do too, but it had to be said, otherwise my post would've made no sense. :)
Post by: yoshimastar on March 04, 2006, 10:28:49 AM
Besides of course Yoshi's Island.
Post by: BP on March 04, 2006, 10:36:08 PM
Post by: Kojinka on March 04, 2006, 11:12:51 PM
Post by: HolyAarom on March 05, 2006, 09:56:54 AM
Why can't the timeline just go in order of when the games where released?
Besides of course Yoshi's Island.
If you were a pro mariologist like you claim to be, then you would know.
Post by: Shambo on March 05, 2006, 07:24:34 PM
Yoshis island
Mario and Luigi:PiT (babys side)
Super Mario bros
Lost Levels
Super Mario bros 2
Super Mario bros 3
Super Mario world
Super Mario land
Super Mario land 2
Super Mario 64
Paper Mario
Luigis mansion
Sunshine
Mario and Luigi:SSS
Paper mario 2
Super Mario 64 Ds
Mario and Luigi: Pit (adults side)
Post by: BP on March 05, 2006, 08:54:51 PM
Post by: Kojinka on March 05, 2006, 09:31:53 PM
Post by: Ultima Shadow on March 06, 2006, 01:23:59 AM
Post by: Toad on March 06, 2006, 01:42:51 AM
SM64DS is acutally a sequel?! Now I'll have to play it, since I thought it was just a port..
Back to the timeline: The older bros being what they are because they babysat themselves seems to make sense, but since I haven't played PiT, then I can't add anything else.
Here is what I think the timeline for the Marioverse is..
Yoshi's Island
Donkey Kong
Mario Bros
Super Mario Bros
SMB2
SMB3
SMW
Super Mario RPG
Super Mario 64
Paper Mario
Luigi's Mansion
Super Mario Sunshine
M&L: Superstar Saga
Paper Mario TTYD
Up until pretty recently, I only thought games that tried to continue the story of how they were trying to search for a way back to Brooklyn could even be considered for timeline purposes. That being said, I realised that Nintendo has long since abandoned the they're from Brooklyn storyline.
The games above are the only ones that I believe should be counted as true "story" games. Mario Party, Mario Kart, Mario Golf, Mario Tennis, and.. others are not story games.
If Ninty were sticking to the origianl story, then Mario, Luigi, and Peach wouldn't be appearing in games like NBA Street V3 and 1080 Avalanche (I think)
Post by: Ultima Shadow on March 06, 2006, 02:21:09 AM
Post by: yoshimastar on March 06, 2006, 05:23:08 PM
Plus I think they already can get back with warp pipes.
I do agree that the spin off games shouldn't be counted as cannon though.
Post by: NintendoExpert89 on March 06, 2006, 07:28:26 PM
I got to thinking... Perhaps the Bros. literally raised themselves. In M&L:PiT the adults acted at least a little fatherly to their past selves. Luigi's timid nature may be from his errors in taking care of Baby Luigi--yelling at them at the start of Gritzy Caves, forgetting to lift him onto Mr. Thwomp before going into Thwomp Volcano, almost letting him get eaten by Petey Piranha... Mario became who he is because Baby Mario watched who he would turn out to be--brave, strong, hardworking, and the older brother part might have inspired him too. And in the beginning, their parents didn't take them to Peach's castle, they went on their own. Maybe they were already so powerful that they didn't need anyone to look after them.
Maybe Baby Mario and Baby Luigi's parents were taken away when the Shroobs attacked, while they were rescued from Peach's castle during the destruction.
Post by: BP on March 06, 2006, 08:24:39 PM
Maybe their parents were killed by the Shroobs and they were sent to be adopted by Brooklynites? Then they lived there until their plumbing job in Mario Bros, and found the Mushroom Kingdom in ruin through a pipe and SMB began.So you see that I agree.
Post by: Toad on March 07, 2006, 06:01:38 PM
The only occurance of the Bros. trying to get back to Brooklyn that I can think of is from an old episode.
Plus I think they already can get back with warp pipes.
I do agree that the spin off games shouldn't be counted as cannon though.
I think the story for SMB was that they were going to save the land and then search for a way home after setting the people free. I could be wrong though. :D
Post by: yoshimastar on March 08, 2006, 11:52:26 PM
Post by: BP on March 10, 2006, 11:33:26 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on March 11, 2006, 12:57:44 PM
But the Toads would have been so bad at taking care of them
Why?
and the bros. look too different from any other resident of the Mushroom Kingdom. Bowser could find them too easily. In Brooklyn they could just be hidden as regular people with big noses. Bowser's minions probably never would've thought to look in Brooklyn anyway.
What are you talking about?
Post by: BP on March 11, 2006, 01:00:34 PM
Post by: Pt_Peach on March 11, 2006, 01:07:05 PM
What I'm saying is the Bros. were taken to Brooklyn for protection from Bowser. And don't say the toads make good guards... Anyone who's ever played a Mario game knows they're basically defenseless... which needs to change. There should be a toad army.
Yes, and it would make sense that Mario would be there leader. There could be plenty of nurse Peachs.
Post by: Clark Beyer on March 15, 2006, 06:59:26 PM
Post by: Ultima Shadow on March 15, 2006, 07:09:39 PM
Post by: Clark Beyer on March 15, 2006, 07:15:49 PM
I can actually see that happening...remember in the Mario movie, the bob-omb was a grenade?
Post by: BP on March 15, 2006, 08:20:22 PM
Why haven't Bullet Bills ever been good? As in, they've never been friendly to Mario like Koopas have in Paper Mario. A bullet bill would make a cool partner...
Post by: Toad on March 15, 2006, 11:06:02 PM
Something that is not alive cannot choose to be on the good or bad side.
Post by: Ultima Shadow on March 15, 2006, 11:10:34 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on March 15, 2006, 11:34:44 PM
Post by: Ultima Shadow on March 15, 2006, 11:45:18 PM
Post by: BP on March 16, 2006, 11:32:53 PM
Post by: Ultima Shadow on March 16, 2006, 11:41:49 PM
BTW, was it ever proven OFFICIALLY that Daisy and Peach were related?
Post by: BP on March 17, 2006, 12:42:15 AM
Post by: Ultima Shadow on March 17, 2006, 12:57:36 AM
Post by: Kojinka on March 17, 2006, 10:16:56 AM
Post by: Otaku1990 on March 17, 2006, 02:45:13 PM
Post by: HolyAarom on March 17, 2006, 04:16:40 PM
Post by: Ultima Shadow on March 17, 2006, 05:15:36 PM
BTW, I came up with an interesting idea for a fanfic that may link SMW to SMW2 and SM64. It's not true, though.
Post by: yoshimastar on March 17, 2006, 07:44:11 PM
The only thing that makes them look alike is that they're girls really.
And there's never been mention of Daisy still ruling Sarasaland presently or even still living there for that matter.
No point for two rulers in the same place since they don't actually do anything political anyway.
Post by: HolyAarom on March 17, 2006, 08:02:36 PM
She is the ruler of that land and Peach is the ruler of Mushroom Kingdom. They both rule different lands that probably border each other. Maybe someone's filling in for her or some strange force joined MK and Sara-land together. They are probably related in a different way.
Post by: PaperLuigi on March 17, 2006, 08:36:13 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on March 18, 2006, 10:42:42 AM
Wait there would be nobody to rescue....
Post by: HolyAarom on March 18, 2006, 11:05:42 AM
Post by: BP on March 18, 2006, 06:20:07 PM
Post by: Kojinka on March 18, 2006, 09:57:51 PM
Post by: PaperLuigi on March 18, 2006, 10:12:04 PM
Post by: Ultima Shadow on March 19, 2006, 12:20:45 AM
btw, I thought Birdo was in Mario's dream world only? I've actually came up with a small explanation for this...
Mario is kidnapped by Bowser, and put into a deep sleep. He dreams SMB2 while Bowser observes, then Luigi, Peach and Toad come and trash Bowser. This explains how Bob-ombs are in both Subcon and MK- all of the Subconian enemies exist in the MK, somewhere, unless Bowser can somehow eavesdrop on dreams. Or, Kamek, maybe? >_>
Not a sig.
Post by: BP on March 19, 2006, 01:01:31 AM
As for the whole "Birdo and Shy Guys can't be real if they came from Mario's dream" theory, that's completely ridiculous. Is EVERYTHING that's ever been in your dreams fictitious? I've had dreams involving things in real life that I later encountered awake, personally.
Post by: Toad on March 19, 2006, 01:07:39 AM
I think I'll also go with the 'deja vu' dream, where you sometimes encounter what you dream in real life.. I dreamed about a plane crashing when I was little, then later that day, the news had a report about a plane crash.
Post by: BP on March 19, 2006, 01:12:02 AM
Post by: Otaku1990 on March 19, 2006, 05:45:46 AM
Post by: Kojinka on March 19, 2006, 10:13:38 AM
Post by: yoshimastar on March 19, 2006, 04:14:50 PM
Or we use my personal favorite explanation, IT NEVER HAPPENED AT ALL.
Since SMB2 wasn't originally a Mario game it didn't have to happen. And all the creatures could still be real and everything.
Is there any problems in this?
Post by: Kojinka on March 19, 2006, 06:41:18 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on March 19, 2006, 06:42:20 PM
Well, I'd like to see an actual Mario platformer in which Toad can kick butt.
LOL, me too.
They never showed Prince Mush do anything in PM2 so I was dissapointed.
Post by: BP on March 19, 2006, 06:48:36 PM
Post by: Kojinka on March 19, 2006, 06:57:54 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on March 19, 2006, 08:01:41 PM
So fast and cooridinated, the ultimate underdog.
Post by: BP on March 21, 2006, 12:11:07 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on March 26, 2006, 10:43:37 AM
When I combined M64 and PM I got this:
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg210.imageshack.us%2Fimg210%2F7953%2Fpeachcastle7xz.th.png&hash=0066d8181bbf1b1219cbeb662b3d82b9) (http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=peachcastle7xz.png)
Post by: HolyAarom on March 26, 2006, 11:37:25 AM
Post by: yoshimastar on March 27, 2006, 05:54:10 PM
Post by: BP on May 02, 2006, 11:44:53 PM
Post by: Kojinka on May 03, 2006, 07:05:49 AM
Post by: The Chef on May 03, 2006, 01:53:35 PM
Post by: BP on May 04, 2006, 12:23:59 AM
Post by: Kojinka on May 04, 2006, 06:27:47 AM
Post by: yoshimastar on May 04, 2006, 05:27:25 PM
Post by: Toad on May 07, 2006, 01:39:29 AM
That, and only Mario can understand the Yoshi speak (and since we're usually playing the games from Mario's point of view, then we get to understand what the Yoshies are saying).
Post by: Kojinka on May 07, 2006, 09:03:40 AM
Post by: The Chef on May 07, 2006, 09:16:30 AM
Post by: yoshimastar on May 07, 2006, 11:23:23 AM
Yoshi and/or a Yoshi spoke in:
Super Mario World
The letter at his house, when you get Yoshi out of the egg
Super Mario RPG
That place with all the Yoshi's I forgot
Super Mario 64
Yoshi on the roof
Paper Mario
Yoshi's Village
Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
Your partner, Excess Express passenger
The cartoon series
Post by: Kojinka on May 07, 2006, 01:56:06 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on May 07, 2006, 05:05:41 PM
Post by: The Chef on May 08, 2006, 03:42:39 PM
Post by: Sapphira on May 08, 2006, 04:38:43 PM
Post by: The Chef on May 08, 2006, 04:49:21 PM
Post by: Pt_Peach on May 08, 2006, 05:10:26 PM
Anyone have any idea why toads look like that? I mean, their heads look like mushrooms.
Post by: yoshimastar on May 08, 2006, 06:27:00 PM
Anyone have any idea why toads look like that? I mean, their heads look like mushrooms.
Kinda off topic, we'll take about this in a sec.
The Yoshi's on Lava Lava Island where either differnt colors than green or had kids.
And the Yoshi doesn't fit those categories.
Post by: The Chef on May 09, 2006, 08:12:11 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on May 09, 2006, 09:48:49 PM
Post by: BP on May 09, 2006, 11:12:15 PM
Post by: spamspamspamspam on May 10, 2006, 01:51:38 PM
(WARNING: FAR FETCHED ALERT) Compromising between the two popular theories, Maybe Mario & Luigi's father was human and their mother was a toad who lived in Brooklyn. When she thought they were old-enough to fend for themselves (right after Mario's rescue in Donkey Kong), She told them the truth about where their history. She told them where to find the far away string of Islands in the Pacific that make up the Mushroom Universe. And My theory about Peach and the reigning monarch, Peach and the Royal Bloodline are the descendants of the first Humans to set foot in the Mushroom Kingdom, and because of their size above the other Creatures, the Toads thought they must be Great Leaders and almost god-like. The Koopa family , such as Bowser and his troopers, however, dind't like the concept of some group of people who were new to the islands take over, so thats why Bowser hates Peach. With Wario& Waluigi, my theory is that their Mother was Mario & Luigi's Mother's sister, making them Cousins, But both of them went to Brooklyn, married, and their husbands opened a plumbing business. But Wario & Waluigi's mother got angry that Her sister's husband was more talented and she tried to kill Mario and Luigi's father (After Yoshi's Island of course) and succeeded when her sister and her husband found out, he divorced her, and she said she never wanted to see her again. So The Wicked Brothers' mother took Wario and Waluigi back to the Mushroom Kingdom, where she told them that Mario and Luigi's dad killed their father, causing them to hate their cousins and causing Wario to want to steal enough money to find Mario & Luigi, travel to wherever they were, and kill them. But after he met the Brothers, they told what had actually happened and Wario and Waluigi believed it, but still dislike their cousins because of their success and popularity, which they envy.
I have a lot more to say, but to be nice to you, I won't.
Post by: spamspamspamspam on May 10, 2006, 01:57:39 PM
Post by: The Chef on May 10, 2006, 02:08:55 PM
Post by: spamspamspamspam on May 10, 2006, 02:22:57 PM
Post by: spamspamspamspam on May 10, 2006, 02:28:43 PM
Post by: dude677 on May 10, 2006, 08:11:05 PM
Another thing, we can safely infer that the Mario game chronology is just about the same as the release chronology, exceptions being games where the baby Mario Bros. are the stars which obviously happened first, and spinoffs which I think of as existing outside of time.This may not be true...
It is just like what The Legend of Zelda timeline has. The first few games really had nothing to contribute to the actual story, maybe a few things, but Mario games are so different from each other, that, sometimes, maybe, they aren't in any order, just games made up by Nintendo. Its like, after the first Donkey Kong, Mario changed from construction to plumbing. Why? He still had overalls while building. The change wasn't clariified. Actually, I've never seen a Mario game where he is actually a plumber. Maybe Mario agmes aren't really connected at all, just games. They are all different stories.
Why, I sometimes doubt we're actually playing the same Mario from NES.
Post by: yoshimastar on May 12, 2006, 09:27:15 AM
Post by: The Chef on May 12, 2006, 05:54:00 PM
Post by: Kojinka on May 13, 2006, 09:04:10 AM
Post by: The Chef on May 13, 2006, 09:26:00 AM
Post by: fuzzy on May 17, 2006, 07:01:25 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on May 17, 2006, 10:06:06 PM
Post by: Kojinka on May 18, 2006, 03:36:11 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on May 18, 2006, 07:20:15 PM
Post by: The Chef on May 18, 2006, 07:22:02 PM
If the babies were living in Toad Town why are they human instead of Toadstool? I guess there's the possibility that their parents immigrated to the Mushroom Kingdom, but I've had the theory that the only humans born in the Mushroom Dimension were royals. The Bros. could possibly have been the princes of a kingdom allying the Mushroom Kingdom before that kingdom got overthrown by Bowser's dad, Morton Koopa Sr. The Bros. survived, and took cover with Toadsworth and Peach in the Mushroom Kingdom. The Bros. could not grow up with the luxuries of princes because they were revealed to be the Twins of Destiny, who would liberate the Mushroom Dimension from Evil.
Maybr Mario Land(from SML2) is the kingdom that the Bros. are the princes of.
Post by: fuzzy on May 18, 2006, 09:25:28 PM
Some of the details could be tampered with, but the overall idea is a pretty good one. Do you think so? Some questions might arise though. Does Kamek really have enough power to banish? Why wouldn't he just banish all of the toads and everyone that disagreed with the Koopa Empire?
Post by: yoshimastar on May 18, 2006, 10:19:36 PM
Bowser's fathers forces are defeated.
The Koopa Empire is in world 6 in SMW2 or Dark Land.
Kamek has the vision of the bros. bringing disaster to the empire.
The bros. are born.
Insert SMW2.
After a few months ( mabey even a year ) the Koopa Empire starts invasions.
Areas are being taken over, it's no longer safe.
The bros. parents decide it's best to send the bros. to Brooklyn ( possibly their parents home town ).
The Mushroom Kingdom and the Empire is at a stand still for some reason ( both sides losing? )
About 20 years pass ( the bros. parents die from old age mabey )
The bros. follow some koopas and spinys into a warp pipe to the Mushroom Kingom.
No idea what the Kingdom's status is, most likly not good since Peach is captured.
Insert SMB and the rest is history.
Post by: Kojinka on May 19, 2006, 06:46:21 AM
Post by: fuzzy on May 19, 2006, 03:58:21 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on May 19, 2006, 06:03:32 PM
Brookyln's sewers?
Post by: fuzzy on May 19, 2006, 08:24:43 PM
Post by: Kojinka on May 19, 2006, 10:27:12 PM
Post by: The Chef on May 20, 2006, 07:06:00 AM
Post by: Kojinka on May 20, 2006, 08:55:45 AM
Post by: fuzzy on May 20, 2006, 09:38:26 AM
Post by: fuzzy on May 20, 2006, 09:42:15 AM
Post by: Kojinka on May 20, 2006, 10:56:12 AM
Post by: The Chef on May 20, 2006, 04:17:18 PM
So, if there's trouble, there's a civilization of talking fungi and a beautiful princess living in the basement of two plumbing brothers in Brooklyn? Hey! this is sounding good! *goes to fanfiction.net*
It's kind similar to Alice Through The Looking Glass and I belive a few concepts from the games are based on Alice in Wonderland.
Post by: fuzzy on May 20, 2006, 06:17:48 PM
Post by: Kojinka on May 20, 2006, 07:46:08 PM
Post by: BP on May 20, 2006, 09:22:31 PM
Shigeru Miyamoto = 15 letters.
Post by: Ultima Shadow on May 20, 2006, 09:31:15 PM
Post by: billy chilly on May 21, 2006, 12:53:04 AM
A Toad army eh? Sounds interesting...I can't imagine what their weapons would be though. Guns don't exactly fit into the Marioverse. Maybe they wouldn't be soldiers...healers, possibly. They could concoct super mushrooms.
There was a Toad guard in Paper Mario 1, remember? They wore ponchos and carried little spears... those guys ruled, actually...
Post by: BP on May 21, 2006, 02:36:27 AM
Post by: fuzzy on May 21, 2006, 10:05:59 AM
In conclusion:
Super Mario 64 Castle is a fancy gallery.
Paper Mario and M&L:PIT Castle is just a home where Peach lives.
Super Mario RPG Castle is a place for government.
Post by: yoshimastar on May 21, 2006, 12:38:02 PM
Everyone in the castle in Paper Mario couldn't escape, they where rasied in the air by Bowser's castle. They had nowhere to go.
Well, Luigi made it out but he's cool like that.
Post by: BP on May 21, 2006, 12:42:38 PM
In Super Mario 64, Peach demands that Mario come to the castle for she had made a cake for him. She couldn't have done that in that castle that is a gallery because there is no kitchen.Hahaha, I never noticed that. Brilliant.
Post by: fuzzy on May 21, 2006, 02:43:41 PM
Post by: The Chef on May 21, 2006, 03:21:52 PM
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[In Super Mario 64, Peach demands that Mario come to the castle for she had made a cake for him. She couldn't have done that in that castle that is a gallery because there is no kitchen
I thought that the castle was twisted and warped out of shape after the Power Stars were stolen and the paintings were enemy worlds created by Bowser using the negative energy in the Stars.
Post by: fuzzy on May 21, 2006, 05:07:15 PM
Post by: BP on May 21, 2006, 05:48:43 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on May 21, 2006, 06:05:57 PM
Post by: The Chef on May 21, 2006, 06:30:48 PM
Stars can grant a person unlimited power. Enough to take down anyone by touching them. Peach's Castle is so large that it requres 120 Stars to protect it from the dark forces. However, there was one loophole and Bowser had it figured out. The Stars also have negative energy that could be used for evil purposes(similar to the Chaos Emeralds), so Bowser figured out a way to harness that negative energy, thereby rendering the castle under his control. He warped the castle's insides so no one could get to him(mostly Mario) and created his own evil worlds hidden in the walls of the castle which are accessed by secret portals(paintings) so he could trap all the servants and the Princess herself. The last thing he did was make his underlings guard the stars in case someone(Mario) intrudes.
That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.
Post by: fuzzy on May 21, 2006, 07:10:16 PM
Post by: The Chef on May 21, 2006, 07:16:57 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on May 21, 2006, 07:32:12 PM
Post by: The Chef on May 22, 2006, 12:20:41 PM
The Power Stars may have also caused Bowser to increase in size during SM64.
Post by: yoshimastar on May 22, 2006, 04:27:42 PM
And the stars are probably more for "powering" the castle than protecting it.
Post by: The Chef on May 22, 2006, 07:17:51 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on May 22, 2006, 11:08:38 PM
Post by: The Chef on May 23, 2006, 07:16:26 PM
Post by: The Chef on June 17, 2006, 09:08:02 AM
Post by: nensondubois on June 17, 2006, 09:18:08 AM
Post by: fuzzy on June 17, 2006, 12:11:34 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on June 17, 2006, 12:32:42 PM
Wario's Mario's old school chum, something happened, Wario didn't like Mario, but I geuss he likes him now since they teamed up in SM64DS.
Until Waluigi gets in a real game I'm not gonna acknowledge his existance.
Post by: BP on June 17, 2006, 12:56:11 PM
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Post by: BlueGriffin18 on June 19, 2006, 12:18:22 PM
There is a planet on another plane of exsistance, this is the Mushroom Planet. it Exsists entirely seperate from the fictional earth where Mario and his Brother Luigi resided in Brooklyn. on the Mushroom Planet esists the weird worlds of The Mushroom Kingdom (as seen in SMB, SMB3, and NSMB only) Yoshi's Island and it's surroundings (as seen in SMW only)and Sarasaland(SML1 and I consider what takes place in SML2 to esist in Sarasaland as well). Subcon(as seen in SMB2) exsists in another dimention, all of the afforementioned places have magical hidden warp zones that connect them, Mario, after saving pauline from a large ape in a constucion disaster, went back home to his brother, whom had discovered a warp in their basement, strange creatures emerged and after a grueling battle the brothers were sucked in and thuis begins their journeys in SMB1. all the other stuff is, as I see it, not story-cannocal, all the other games are just an attempt to make a creative game using familiar characters, there is no Isle delfino, no go-kart tracks, none of it. The only exception, and I hate to admit it, is Bowser Jr. he is as I see it Bowser's 8th child, not his only son.
that is how I veiw the Mariology
Post by: fuzzy on June 19, 2006, 01:03:33 PM
Post by: The Chef on June 19, 2006, 02:17:12 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on June 19, 2006, 04:29:14 PM
Easy now gentlemen.
Blue Griffin 18, do you just not like the 3D games or...?
Post by: The Chef on June 19, 2006, 04:33:36 PM
Post by: BlueGriffin18 on June 19, 2006, 05:45:13 PM
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Post by: BlueGriffin18 on June 20, 2006, 01:30:23 AM
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Post by: Toad on June 20, 2006, 02:39:11 PM
I'm still wondering about the DKC timeline. It initially seemed to indicate the future, considering how old Dranky(Classic DK) is, and the fact that DK Jr. appeared in the Mario games up until Mario Tennis 64, but it got messed up when stuff like Diddy started appearing in the Mario spinoffs. If it weren't for this, the spinoffs could be considered entirely "canon", but as long as the DKC stuff remains there, the line has been crossed and there is no consistent DK timeline. Is there a way to explain it away? Should Nintendo make a game about it like PiT?
Classic DK's name is Cranky, not Dranky. :)
Post by: yoshimastar on June 20, 2006, 03:28:04 PM
Plus how well could babys play anyway?
Post by: The Chef on June 20, 2006, 06:22:25 PM
Classic DK's name is Cranky, not Dranky. :)
Typo.
Post by: Crazy Penguin on June 21, 2006, 03:01:35 PM
Post by: The Chef on June 21, 2006, 04:00:16 PM
Post by: Crazy Penguin on June 22, 2006, 12:43:12 AM
Maybe he pops up in the crowds in some of the sports games? Could anyone check this out?
"Kong Kids" has a nice ring to it, but doesn't explain the Js on their shirts. I've taken to calling the pink-ish player 2 ape in DK Jr Math "Julia".
Post by: The Chef on June 22, 2006, 08:34:55 AM
Post by: Crazy Penguin on June 22, 2006, 02:50:52 PM
Junior's design was slightly inconsistent in the early days, but generally he was a chunky kind of fellow with broad shoulders. In Game Boy Donkey Kong his design was tweaked a little - he became slightly smaller than Mario, his features were rounder, his shoulders were not so broad, he had two little hairs on the top of his head and the J on his shirt once again became a solid red with no outlines. This design hasn't been strayed from since (Mario's Tennis on Virtual Boy aside).
In Donkey Kong Country, although Mario wasn't present for a true comparison, the impression was that Donkey Kong had become a lot smaller (yeah I know, different generation, blah blah) - now only slightly larger than a kid/teenage monkey, and towered over by his nemesis K. Rool.
Once Donkey Kong rejoined the Mario cast with Mario Kart 64 the size change was immediately apparent - he was only barely bigger than Junior was in the original game!
A similar height reduction was felt in the Game & Watch Gallery series - Junior was about the right size in all of the games, but Papa Donkey Kong was again only a little bit bigger than Mario. Though this is probably down to the fact that the games required a lot of action to fit on one non-scrolling screen, and DK was quite small in most of the original LCD G&Ws anyway.
This isn't taking mushroom effects into account though mind. As Game Boy Donkey Kong's ending showed us, we were only playing as the regular Mario, not the mushroom powered Super Mario!
Post by: MechanicalMonarch on June 22, 2006, 05:06:27 PM
Post by: The Chef on June 22, 2006, 06:27:53 PM
Post by: SushieBoy on June 22, 2006, 06:40:17 PM
Post by: Crazy Penguin on June 22, 2006, 07:56:06 PM
As for DK Jr., I'd say he's bigger in SMK and VBMT because he's older.
http://www.arcadeflyers.com/?page=flyer&id=3226&image=1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Supermariokart_box.JPG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:VBMario%27sTennisBox.jpg
His size seems fairly consistent with his original appearance.
But getting back to the "Kong Kids" discussion, I just discovered this screenshot from Donkey Kong Jungle Beat: http://www.samurainintendo.com/gamecube/dkjunglebeat/dkjunglebeat01.jpg
I've never seen those happy little fellas before! Man, I really need to get around to buying Jungle Beat.
Post by: The Chef on June 23, 2006, 11:30:03 AM
i don't think so..You didn't collect bananas in the arcade game.I think those games have no connection
I said '94, not 64. Learn to read, man. '94 was a Game Boy game involving Mario saving Pauline from DK, and it might be a remake of the arcade game. DK64 is part of the DKC series set up by Rare.
Post by: coolkid on June 23, 2006, 01:52:07 PM
Post by: fuzzy on June 23, 2006, 03:35:55 PM
Post by: The Chef on June 23, 2006, 04:15:40 PM
Post by: Kojinka on June 23, 2006, 04:16:54 PM
I notice that both of Baby Peach's parents are absent from PiT. Maybe Morton Koopa Sr. killed both of them.
Post by: BP on June 23, 2006, 08:47:11 PM
Morton Koopa Sr.NO SUCH THING. You know that all 7 Koopalings were named after musicians. Well, theoretically, there would have to be a Morton Sr., but since my opinion is that all 7 were made with Bowser's magic... maybe Bowser had an ancestor named Morton.
Post by: Kojinka on June 23, 2006, 10:01:57 PM
Post by: fuzzy on June 23, 2006, 10:21:16 PM
Post by: The Chef on June 24, 2006, 08:06:22 AM
Post by: Kojinka on June 24, 2006, 08:46:29 AM
Post by: yoshimastar on June 24, 2006, 03:56:19 PM
Post by: MechanicalMonarch on June 24, 2006, 04:13:23 PM
Post by: The Chef on June 24, 2006, 09:44:12 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on June 24, 2006, 09:59:43 PM
Post by: The Chef on June 24, 2006, 10:00:59 PM
Post by: fuzzy on June 25, 2006, 10:02:19 PM
Post by: Adventure_Knight on June 26, 2006, 04:12:25 AM
http://smbis.nescentral.com/fanfics/wanopio/hiaft1.htm
Post by: Crazy Penguin on June 26, 2006, 04:44:44 AM
Post by: Kojinka on June 26, 2006, 08:54:51 AM
I still think all of the games, with the exception of YI, YI2, YS, PiT(past), and SMRPG, go in the order of their release.
I think SMRPG takes place later on in the timeline because I've heard that Mario and Peach get married at the end (Yay!). In later RPGs, we see that Mario lives with Luigi. Even though they were released after SMRPG, I think those events happen before SMRPG. Wouldn't you think Mario would be living with Peach in the castle after the events of SMRPG? If I'm way off, it's not my fault my parents wouldn't let me get any video games till I was 12 or 13, and that Square still hasn't ported SMRPG to the GBA or DS. I'm only going by what I've read on the Internet.
Hmmm Actually, I think my bro-in-law might have SMRPG. Maybe I could ask him to lend me his SNES and SMRPG.
Post by: The Chef on June 26, 2006, 09:57:00 AM
Post by: Kojinka on June 26, 2006, 10:56:46 AM
Post by: fuzzy on June 26, 2006, 12:57:51 PM
Post by: The Chef on June 26, 2006, 01:14:15 PM
-Yoshi's Island
-Yoshi's Touch&Go(part of YI)
-Yoshi's Island 2
-Yoshi's Story
-Parnters in Time(The past part)
-Donkey Kong '94(part of he arcade game and tells how Mario got to TMK)
-Donkey Kong Country(The whole series to be exact. It seems logical for this game to happen in the future because Cranky's really old and for a time, it seemed like the only DK in the Mario timeline was the classic one. The only thing impeding this from being an entirly flawless theory is the appearence of the DKC stuff in the recent Mario titles.)
Post by: fuzzy on June 26, 2006, 05:06:49 PM
Post by: The Chef on June 26, 2006, 08:18:58 PM
EDIT: It's documented on this site. http://www.themushroomkingdom.net/games/gbdk
EDIT MkII: Here's a pretty substantial Wikipedia article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donkey_Kong_%28Game_Boy%29
Post by: BP on June 27, 2006, 12:25:48 PM
fuzzy: As for all the stars, Nintendo just likes to make us collect stars to save princesses. All the time. I don't think the Cobalt Star in M&L:PiT was one of a kind... No one ever said it was, and the phrase "This [some adjective] Cobalt Star!" and not "The [adjective] Cobalt Star!"
Post by: fuzzy on June 27, 2006, 03:31:20 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on July 04, 2006, 02:26:35 PM
Post by: BP on July 04, 2006, 08:44:11 PM
Post by: SushieBoy on July 05, 2006, 12:31:28 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on July 05, 2006, 01:39:10 PM
I think Twink definetly has a position for Star Spirit in the future, considering he saved everybody in a sense.
Post by: MetalMario on July 06, 2006, 12:10:20 PM
Perhaps all the humans in the mushroom kingdom were killed in some great cataclysmic disaster such as a great flood or an earthquake or something? Except of course for the ancestors of mario, wario and so on.yep....hes human
Oh and is Il Piantissimo human? I thought he was a pianta.
Nothing is impossible. My boss told me so.
Edited by - Sqrt2 on 1/3/2005 11:51:21 AM
Post by: fuzzy on July 06, 2006, 12:32:15 PM
Post by: The Chef on July 06, 2006, 05:32:41 PM
~Ciao for now, The Chef.
Post by: coolkid on July 06, 2006, 06:44:52 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on July 06, 2006, 08:01:07 PM
The Mushroom World is in out universe, along with most of the other Nintendo based games planets. Except Metroid and F-Zero, which takes place in out future, and Zelda, which takes place in Hyrule in the past.
Master Hand could have made all the little trophys and turned most of them into real objects and people. Then for amusemnet set them loose on each other. The survivor fought Master Hand and won, but since Master Hand made them, the characters turned back into trophys.
I have no idea where all this takes place.
Post by: SushieBoy on July 06, 2006, 08:09:02 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on July 06, 2006, 09:39:47 PM
I'll bet he's so pimp...
Post by: BP on July 07, 2006, 03:40:06 AM
The Mushroom World is in out universe, along with most of the other Nintendo based games planets. Except Metroid and F-Zero, which takes place in out future, and Zelda, which takes place in Hyrule in the past.Why do we judge time periods because of technology? Look at Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask. In OoT, we see that at that point in Hyrule's history, there was almost no technology (the Bombchu bowling alley is about as far as it goes). In Majora's Mask, we see that the alternate universe of Termina is much more technologically advanced (cannons, telescopes, and the whole Great Bay temple are some examples). It's like Japan and Ethiopia; it SEEMS like Japan is the future, but it's really just less primitive. TLoZ and F-0 could very well be happening at the same point in time (especially if you turn both games on at once).
I'd be surprised if Master Hand DIDN'T appear in SSBB.
Post by: MetalMario on July 07, 2006, 08:54:59 AM
some evil spirt that had a glove and some magic used it to make him using him as a "tool" to help the spirt battle things...
Post by: The Chef on July 07, 2006, 08:58:46 AM
Post by: yoshimastar on July 07, 2006, 03:23:01 PM
Wind Waker takes place a couple hundred years later, putting it perfectly into the pirate age.
Post by: Koopaslaya on July 12, 2006, 07:53:00 AM
Also, I have always dismissed the possibility that Hyrule is on earth.
But it really dosen't matter at alll, since the only thing that really matters is the storyline of THAT game alone, and its gameplay.
Post by: The Chef on July 12, 2006, 10:08:14 AM
Post by: yoshimastar on July 12, 2006, 02:20:03 PM
Anywho, since Mario Galaxy mostly takes place above a planet, is it safe to assume it's the Mushroom World? All the videos show that planet and Mario only seems to hop around on small planetoids. So technically he's not really going all around the galaxy...
Post by: MaxVance on July 12, 2006, 02:22:45 PM
Post by: Adventure_Knight on July 12, 2006, 03:07:24 PM
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I never concidered any Zelda (save OoT and Majora's Mask, and the other true sequal games) to have a continuous story. You see, I just think it's a different way of telling the same story.
Actually, none of the plots of the games are the same, and there are too much references to each other to be the same story.
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I'm starting to think that the Zelda games are more likely to take place in a Multiverse than any other Nintendo game.
Theres no multiverse, just a timeline that at some time branched onto two different outcomes.
TMC - FS - FSA - OOT - Timeline branches into ''Original Future'' and ''Changed Future''.
Original Future: OOT (Adult ending) - TP - TWW - PH
Changed Future: OOT (Child ending) - MM - ALTTP - LA - LOZ - AOL - OOX.
Post by: yoshimastar on July 12, 2006, 10:17:58 PM
Enough with the Zelda this is a Mario forum.
Why would all the debris and floating objects be out there anyway? The Toad people and rabbits living on the planetoids seem like they've always been there.
Post by: MaxVance on July 13, 2006, 10:21:34 AM
Post by: The Chef on July 13, 2006, 02:49:51 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on July 13, 2006, 04:03:20 PM
And it could have been low to the Mushroom World, since Mario was able to be blasted there with the cannon.
And it could have it's own relatively thin atmosphere.
Post by: BP on July 13, 2006, 04:27:53 PM
Post by: Adventure_Knight on July 14, 2006, 03:58:19 AM
Post by: The Chef on July 14, 2006, 10:00:24 AM
Post by: Kojinka on July 14, 2006, 11:01:49 AM
Post by: Adventure_Knight on July 14, 2006, 11:17:54 AM
Post by: yoshimastar on July 14, 2006, 01:37:43 PM
Like this:
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg415.imageshack.us%2Fimg415%2F9717%2Fmoon3md.png&hash=db04a84b74e6d1ea856f4604699a6a84) (http://imageshack.us)
Post by: The Chef on July 14, 2006, 03:47:22 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on July 14, 2006, 04:55:58 PM
the Mega Moons from SMW.
wth?
Post by: The Chef on July 14, 2006, 05:00:30 PM
Post by: SushieBoy on July 14, 2006, 08:37:03 PM
Post by: The Chef on July 15, 2006, 06:55:00 AM
Post by: yoshimastar on July 15, 2006, 10:04:54 AM
Unless it's the life force for the inhabitants there.
Post by: Adventure_Knight on July 15, 2006, 10:50:31 AM
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But what's there to power?
Ships, machines, buildings, public vehicles...
Post by: The Chef on July 15, 2006, 12:02:41 PM
Post by: Dark_Shark on July 15, 2006, 12:41:04 PM
Post by: Kojinka on July 15, 2006, 03:30:22 PM
Although it probably would've ended up being called 'Super Mario Moonshine' or something silly like that.Did you know Moonshine is an alcoholic beverage? I thought about writing a fanfic called 'Super Luigi Moonshine' in which Luigi is trying to keep his drunken brother under control. lol
Post by: spamspamspamspam on July 21, 2006, 05:52:35 PM
"In Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix, Waluigi's song is called "Destruction Dance". The song is a remix of the bonus game tune from the 1984 NES game Wrecking Crew, though the game itself did not feature Waluigi. Waluigi's special ball in Mario Superstar Baseball, the Liar Ball, splits up into a fake ball and a real ball. The fake one is an eggplant, again possibly referring to Wrecking Crew, because that had Eggplant Men as enemies. Also, in Challenge Mode of Mario Superstar Baseball, Waluigi must first obtain an eggplant before he can use this move. This also hints that the eggplant is Waluigi favorite food. Another thing in this game is the team logo for Waluigi Flankers - On it, Waluigi is wearing shades, and has a laugh just like Foreman Spike's laugh in Wrecking Crew '98. Also, In Mario Kart DS Waluigi's default kart was the Gold Mantis, a construction site crane."
(From Wikipedia)
I actually think that Waluigi may actually be Foreman Spike. I know it sounds stupid but that's just what I think.
Post by: The Chef on July 21, 2006, 06:44:17 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on July 21, 2006, 10:07:45 PM
Post by: Adventure_Knight on July 22, 2006, 03:46:21 AM
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Or not, since Wrecking Crew '98 is a Japan only game and pretty much nobodys played it.
The NES version was not japan only from what I know.
Post by: The Chef on July 22, 2006, 09:28:06 AM
Post by: Wumbo on August 10, 2006, 02:54:45 PM
Hey. I saw this on DKU Forums. It is said that this was from a Japanese Nintendo magazine for something about the Wii.
It seems to be the offical size comparison of the characters.
Post by: The Chef on August 10, 2006, 07:42:28 PM
Post by: Kojinka on August 10, 2006, 07:43:56 PM
Post by: SushieBoy on August 11, 2006, 12:44:16 PM
Post by: The Chef on August 11, 2006, 03:15:40 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on August 12, 2006, 08:46:33 PM
Post by: The Chef on August 13, 2006, 10:12:04 AM
Post by: Robert on August 13, 2006, 11:44:08 AM
Post by: The Chef on August 13, 2006, 11:56:24 AM
That's another thing. Does Mario actually eat the Powerups? Or does he absorb the power by touching them?
Post by: yoshimastar on August 13, 2006, 12:33:04 PM
When Mario gets a mushroom, that's his normal size, if he got a super mushroom like that then he would be in his "Super Mario" state. He gets small because of poisen mushrooms or something.
That, or "Small Mario" is 5 feet tall and Peach is 12. Making Bowser about 30 feet tall.
Post by: The Chef on August 13, 2006, 12:47:23 PM
Maybe The 'super' state is is natural state and he gets small due to the Koopa's black magic. This is apparent because of the intro to NSMB, which shows Mario in his 'super' state, which is obviously his original state. Than, when Bowser Jr. hits him off-screen, he comes back in his 'small' state, which probably isn't natural because he looks all squashed. The only thing that can bring him back to his original form is the energy of a Mushroom or some other powerup.
Post by: Robert on August 13, 2006, 02:09:43 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on August 13, 2006, 02:39:04 PM
Post by: The Chef on August 13, 2006, 04:18:04 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on August 13, 2006, 07:38:38 PM
Post by: The Chef on August 13, 2006, 07:44:16 PM
Post by: Robert on August 13, 2006, 09:21:05 PM
Quote from: The Chef link=topic=7155.msg442637#msg442637 date=11555198
Now I'm wondering if you'd get the same effect of a Mega Mushroom by eating 100 Super Mushrooms...
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Now I'm wondering if you'd get the same effect of a Mega Mushroom by eating 100 Super Mushrooms...
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Probably not. My theory is that when Mario gets a power-up had he has already touched, it has no effect on him. For example, when "Super" Mario touches a super mushroom in the games, he remains the exact same hight and hit points.
Post by: The Chef on August 13, 2006, 09:49:37 PM
Post by: Dark_Shark on August 13, 2006, 10:12:41 PM
Sorry wrong topic.
Post by: yoshimastar on August 14, 2006, 06:12:25 PM
I suppose you're right. But a Mega Mushroom is still probably 100 times more powerful than a Super Mushroom.
More like 10x
Post by: CrossEyed7 on August 15, 2006, 01:58:00 AM
Note: Years are dated in relation to Super Mario Bros. Dates before it are BM, and dates after it are AM. (Before Marios and After Marios.) The year of Super Mario Bros. is technically just 0, and is commonly referred to as "The Year."
Other note: The timeline has SPOILERS for every Mario game I can remember playing. Read at your own risk.
c. 20,000,000,000 BM - The Star Spirits create the universe with the Star Rod.
c. 1,500,000 BM - The Magikoopa Order is established.
c. 4500 BM
- The princess Shokora (not Shakira) is captured by the Golden Diva in some kind of plot to rule the world.
-The Golden Diva traps Shokora in the Golden Pyramid and puts a time-seal on the pyramid and the surrounding jungle. However, she accidentally traps heself inside the pyramid as well. Realizing this at the last minute, she puts a seal on the doors of the pyramid to make sure Shokora stays trapped.
-As a result of the time-seal, time in the pyramid and the jungle slows to a virtual standstill, capturing not only Shokora, the Golden Diva, and the five guardians of the pyramid, but also the towering dinosaurs of the jungle, which will later be known as Dino Dino Jungle.
-Neither of the Golden Diva's seals affect creatures smaller than humans. Realizing this, Shokora begins using her magic to transform into a cat. It takes a long time, though.
-Smaller dinosaurs escape the jungle and go to a small archipelago which will later be known as Dinosaur Land.
c. 4000 BM - The human inhabitants of Dinosaur Land build castles across the land.
c. 3000 BM - The Great Tree is planted. Over time, its seeds produce the Boggly Woods.
1749 BM - Hooktail gets food poisoning from a cricket.
c. 1500 BM - The Luff create the Marvelous Compass and use it to form a totalitarian world empire.
c. 1000 BM
- Geno (I can't write his real name) is born.
- The Shadow Queen creates the Crystal Stars to hold the power of the heavens.
980 BM
- The Four Heroes, a strong Toad, a wise Goomba, a scarred, worldly Koopa, and a Boo, use the Crystal Stars to defeat the Shadow Queen and seal her away after she destroys Old Rogueport.
- The Shadow Queen puts a curse on the Four Heroes.
-The Four Heroes scatter the Crystal Stars across the nearby areas, finally each being sealed in a black chest when they release their last Crystal Star.
-The Marvelous Compass stops tolerating the corruption of the Luff Empire and destroys them. The few remaining Luff dismantle the Compass and scatter the pieces.
476 BM - Kamek is born.
234 BM - Booster is born.
208 BM - Booster begins constructing Booster Tower.
207 BM - Booster II is born. Booster I is forced to stop building Booster Tower after building only a single story. He passes on the responsibility to Booster II.
181 BM - Booster II begins constructing another story on Booster Tower. As he is building it, Booster I dies. Booster II adds another story in his memory.
140 BM - Booster III adds three stories to Booster Tower to show off. This establishes the tradition of each Booster adding a number of stories to the tower equal to his generational number.
114 BM - A traveling Dayzee troupe founds Jazzafrazz Town to give them a permanent venue for their dramas.
100 BM - Victor Koopa is born.
70 BM
- Victor and the Mushroom King sign a peace treaty.
- Morton Koopa is born.
69 BM - The Mushroom Kingdom/Koopa Empire collaborative space program lands a Goomba on the primary moon.
53 BM - Morton secretly kills his father Victor and begins planning an attack on the Mushroom Kingdom.
50 BM - Elvin Gadd begins researching ghosts.
42 BM - Elvin Gadd and a Goomba named Goom found the University of Goom. The name was chosen over Gadd Institute thanks to a coin toss. However, coins in the Mushroom Kingdom look the same on both sides, so they didn't know who won. Gadd, being the more modest, conceded the contest to Goom.
30 BM
- Morton begins his campaign against the Mushroom Kingdom.
- The Mushroom Queen is killed, driving the king into insanity. The Chancellor assumes leadership of the kingdom.
-Bowser is born.
27 BM - Kamek unsuccessfully tries to stop the birth of Mario and Luigi to their parents, Maria and Luke. He is too afraid to report the to Morton.
23 BM - Past events of Partners in Time.
22 BM
- Kamek finally admits his failure five years ago to Morton. Morton orders that all Mushroom children be killed.
- Maria and Luke come to E.Gadd, asking him to save Mario and Luigi. When he is convinced that they are the twins in the ancient Koopa prophecy, he puts them into his early dimensional transport and sends them to Earth. They land in Little Italy, where they are raised by a middle-aged couple. Just as they are sent away, Gadd's base is raided by Koopatrols. Maria and Luke are captured and questioned, but when no amount of torture can get them to disclose Mario and Luigi's location, they are set free.
-Booster VII is born.
20 BM
- A mysterious inventor in a parallel universe begins "The Smithy Project," a robot that will maintain itself and form and command an army.
- Princess Daisy is born in Sarasaland. Her father is killed that same day fighting against the Koopas. Her mother finds a dimensional portal created by the Magikoopas and drops Daisy off at Saint Teresa's, on Fulton Street. (Is it a coincidence that Teresa is Boo's Japanese name?)
18 BM - Punchinello is trapped in the Moleville Mines.
7 BM - Mario's girlfriend, Pauline, is kidnapped by Donkey Kong. She dies three months later from injuries sustained from the incident. Mario leaves his construction job, because it reminds him too much of her, and goes into demolition, with obvious emotional parallels.
6 BM
-Valentina is hired as a regal assistant. Little do the Nimbusians know that it is part of her plot to take over Nimbus Land.
-Mallow is born.
5 BM
-Queen Nimbus gets suspicious about Valentina and puts Mallow in a floating basket, along with an explanatory note, hoping to keep him safe. He is found by Frogfucius.
-Valentina locks the king, queen, and their employees in a closet, telling the Nimbusians that they have become deathly ill, and the castle is therefore quarantined.
4 BM - The Marios start a plumbing business.
2 BM - Scapelli, Inc., a multi-national corporation owned by the Scapelli mob family, proposes a merger of eleven plumbing companies, absorbing them all into Scapelli Plumbing, which begins to pose a major threat toward Mario Bros. Plumbing.
0 - Scapelli Construction begins building a skyscraper. During initial earthmoving, a rich fossil bed is found, and a group of NYU students, led by Daisy, protests against Scapelli. Mario, Luigi, and Daisy stumble across the same portal Daisy's mother used, and come out in Little Fungitown, a Mushroom refugee camp set up by Queen Bean. Bowser kidnaps Peach to lure Mario and Luigi to the castle, where he will kill them. However, the plan backfires. Bowser falls into a lava river and is sucked through an underground current. He comes out in the remains of an ancient Koopa village, where he finds eight Koopa eggs. He brings them back to the castle to see if Kamek can do anything with them.
1 AM - Tatanga attacks Sarasaland, kidnapping Daisy. Luigi saves her. (Yeah, the game said it was Mario. Don't believe it. Just more Engrish. You don't really think there's a monster called Yurarin Boo, do you?)
2 AM - While Mario has a nightmare, Kamek hatches seven of the eight eggs and puts growth acceleration on them.
3 AM - Smithy turns on his inventor and begins constructing an army.
4 AM - Morale of the Koopa occupiers in the last seven Mushroom territories even nominally under Koopa control is at an all-time low. Bowser sends his seven "children" to kick them back into shape. As Mario and Luigi defeat the Koopalings, however, Bowser kidnaps Peach, deciding that a Koopa-human crossover in line for the thrones of both the Koopa Empire and the Mushroom Kingdom would be ideal. Mario and Luigi save her.
5 AM
- Peach asks Mario and Luigi to take her on a vacation to Dinosaur Land. Coincidentally, Bowser is there, as most of his soldiers have left him. He kidnaps Peach, and Mario and Luigi save her.
- The first Mario, Bowser, and Peach acton figures go on sale.
- Hooktail awakens.
6 AM
-Bowser decides the only way to kidnap Peach is to kidnap Mario first. He takes him to a castle in Antarctica. Luigi and Yoshi are able to follow him, however, so he creates a distraction by sending the few loyal Koopa Troopas into the world to steal precious artifacts and cause worldwide havoc. To put Luigi under more stress, Bowser puts a time limit on him by ordering several thousand hair dryers from Hafta-Havit Mail-Order, owned by Scapelli, Inc., to melt Antarctica and flood the world. Luigi stops the plot and saves Mario. Together, they stuff Bowser in a cannon and shoot him into the tundra, where he freezes and breaks in half, apparently dead.
-What Mario and Luigi didn't know was that it was just a prototype Bowser suit, while the real Bowser had kidnapped Peach back in the Mushroom World. Mario ran to Bowser's Castle and rescued Peach from him, but before they could leave, they were all shot in different directions when Exor hit the castle. Events of SMRPG follow.
7 AM - Luigi's Mansion. The full Bowser suit is put to the test.
8 AM
- Super Mario 64
- The eighth egg is hatched, but it resists growth acceleration.
10 AM
-Mario & Luigi
-Koopley goes to Hooktail Castle to fight Hooktail. He does not return.
13 AM - Mario & Luigi 2 present events
20 AM - PM:TTYD
26 AM - DDR: Mario Mix: Bowser steals the Music Keys to cure his tone-deafness. Once word of this gets out, his evil deeds are reduced to bitter party-crashing.
999,020 AM - The Thousand-Year Door opens for the thousandth time. That has to be worth something.
Post by: The Chef on August 15, 2006, 09:03:54 AM
Post by: yoshimastar on August 15, 2006, 12:47:59 PM
Just a few questions...
What about Gloomtail and Bonetail?
Why did Bowser Jr.'s egg hatch so late?
What about the first Paper Mario and Super Mario Sunshine?
Post by: BP on August 15, 2006, 01:12:58 PM
999,020 AM - The Thousand-Year Door opens for the thousandth time. That has to be worth something.Eh? The Door wasn't to open once every thousand years, just to open after a thousand years. And technically Mario never even sealed it again, there was no reason to. He completely destroyed The Shaodw Queen. Unless he were to seal the Door with the Crystal Stars, and that was repeated a millennium later, and over and over again, that last piece of the timeline wasn't necessary. Aside from that, great timeline.
Post by: Kojinka on August 15, 2006, 08:28:35 PM
Post by: SushieBoy on August 15, 2006, 11:13:45 PM
Post by: SolidShroom on August 15, 2006, 11:22:18 PM
Anyway, I say this, if you're in a world where brown mushroom men and turtles attack you, mushrooms make you twice your original size, and pipes are a transport device, don't ya think there's enough magic to make clothes stretch to epic proportions?
Post by: SushieBoy on August 15, 2006, 11:44:06 PM
Post by: The Chef on August 16, 2006, 08:52:15 AM
Post by: Kojinka on August 16, 2006, 09:05:10 AM
Ah, and a silly answer for the question that was thought to be stupid: Would you want to see a sprite of a giant, Italian plumber jumping around a magical, family friendly world naked? I sure wouldn't. o.O
Post by: The Chef on August 16, 2006, 09:14:10 AM
-Super Mushroom
-Fire Flower
-Starman
-1-up Mushroom
-Poison Mushroom
-Super Leaf
-Frog Suit
-Tanooki Suit
-Hammer Bros. Suit
-Magic Feather/Cape
-Magic Wings
-Power Balloon
-3-up Moon
-Super Carrot
-Space Suit
-Wing Cap
-Metal Cap
-Vanish Cap
-Mega Mushroom
-Mini Mushroom
-Blue Troopa Shell
Those are all the power-ups from the major Mario games. I didn't list anything from the Racing, Sport, RPG, Party or any other minor titles because the list would be too cluttered and a lot of the items in those games are based on the ones here.
Post by: Wumbo on August 16, 2006, 10:48:20 AM
Mario has tension between Wario and Bowser
Wario- Well they are archrivals and while they can put up with each other sometimes (SM64 DS) That doesn't mean tension eases
Bowser- Do I really need to explain this?
Toad and Toadette has tension Bowser, Wario, and if I recall correctly I think Waluigi too.
Bowser- Well this is the guy who kidnapped your princess several times. Turned your people into bricks. Of course they hates the guy
Wario- I think Wario Woods has something to do with it. Toad was the hero there. Wario was the villain. They haven't forgiven each other since. Toadette is different story. I'll explain this later.
Petey has tension between Daisy, Piantas and Peach
Daisy- With Daisy I think its matter of her taste. She likes flowers. Even though Petey is a flower, he's a mutant freak and Daisy doesn't like that. Therefore Petey resents her as well. And I think it's the same reason with Peach as well
Piantas- In Sunshine, Petey attacks and casue quite a mess in Pianata village. He must not like them. As for the Piantas, they never forgave Petey for what he did.
Luigi dislikes King Boo, Boo, and Waluigi
King Boo and Boo- They tricked him into coming into a haunted mansion and scared ahlf to death of course Luigi doesn't like them. And for some unknown reason, King Boo hates the Mario Bros. Also, Baby Luigi isn't fond of them either.
Waluigi- His arch rival. I don't have much to explain since Waluigi and Luigi never been in canon game
Bowser has tension between Peach, Mario, Baby Mario, and Daisy
Peach- Bowser has a crush on Peach. And he kidnaps her for that and to rule her kingdom. This cause Peach to show dislike for him. Bowser's not happy with that.
Mario- Do I really need to explain this?
Baby Mario- Well Mario has been thorn in Bowser's side since his birth. Of course he hates his younger self too.
Daisy- I don't have any way to see this. The only I see why Bowser and Daisy don't like each other is because of what happens in Mario Party 3(which is quite funny btw)
Wario has tension between Mario, Peach, Toad, and Toadette
I already explained everyone except Peach and Toadette. But I think Peach just sees Wario as nothing more than a big, disgusting jerk.
Toadette- She has interesting relationship with Wario. Now you might say they have bad chemistry because of Mario Baseball but that may not always be. In Mario Party 6 (I think 7 to but I don't have the game) When Wario and Toadette were in a team together, their team name was called "Secret Friends." Could it be that they fake their comtempt?
Baby Mario and Luigi dislikes Shy Guys. Throughout Yoshi Island, Shy Guys been trying to get them. Therefore, they're afraid of them
Waluigi has tension between Luigi, Daisy, and I think Toad and Toadette
Luigi- See Luigi's section
Daisy- I don't for sure. I've heard that Waluigi has a crush on Daisy but she doesn't return the affection.
Toad and Toadette- I don't know really. Maybe because of Toad's and Wario's tension
I'm going to find more. Will somebody tell me who else has bad chemistry with each other in Mario Baseball? And also, I'm going to find out how are some characters are rivals.
Post by: Robert on August 16, 2006, 12:53:39 PM
In SMW and NSMB, you can keep an item in reserve for later use. However in the actual game world, where does Mario keep these items? They just seemingly fall from the sky. Does Mario keep them in his pocket? Looking at some of the artwork of NSMB, Mario doesn't even have pockets.
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Post by: BP on August 19, 2006, 09:53:40 AM
-Magic
-Lack of Miyamoto's supervision
Post by: Adventure_Knight on August 19, 2006, 10:36:28 AM
Post by: Robert on August 19, 2006, 11:02:48 AM
In Super Mario Land 2, the FIre Flower doesn't change Mario's colors. Though this may be due to the limited palette of the GameBoy, a feather appears in his hat. In some official artwork for the game, Mario has appeared wearing this feather-hat. Anyone have any ideas on what separates the feather-hat from the traditional Fireball Suit?
Pherhaps the fire flowers in Mario Land work different from the ones in the Mushroom Kingdom? They even look different. In the instruction manual of NSMB, you see the top of the Fire flower is round. In a screenshot of SML2 on TMK, you the see the tops of the fire flowers are pointy.
Post by: yoshimastar on August 19, 2006, 03:08:11 PM
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Post by: BP on August 19, 2006, 07:16:23 PM
Uhh, it's an RPG! It restores his HP.
Post by: yoshimastar on August 19, 2006, 10:24:36 PM
So now we have several differnt forms of fire flowers and mushrooms.
Post by: CrossEyed7 on August 21, 2006, 03:31:03 PM
I haven't really come up with a theory for Bowser Jr. yet. There's obviously something different about him since he looks so much more like Bowser than the other Koopalings, so that difference is probably what kept him from being hatched until the right time. Maybe he's the Chosen One or something. Star Wars does have a noticeable influence on my full timeline now that I think about it.
As for the Thousand-Year Door thing, I couldn't really remember the ending of PM:TTYD, but I was planning to make something up about what happened a thousand years after PM, where there would be some new thing behind the door, and then as I was filling in the birthdates of hundreds of future Booster generations, I decided to throw something in a million years in the future just to stretch the timeline out. It was mostly a joke, really.
Some of the powerups are obviously magical, (Raccoon Leaf, P-Wing, Magic Whistle, etc.) while some are more natural. (Cape, Anchor, Music Box to some extent, Hammer Suit, etc.) There are also probably many variations on all of them. We know just from the RPGs that there are Mushrooms, Super Mushrooms, Ultra Mushrooms, Max Mushrooms, Life Shrooms, 1-Up Supers, the Mushroom that turns you into a mushroom, and many more, and the existence of the Invincishroom shows that new varieties can be bred. In fact, the trick mushroom you got from the Goomba nephews was probably a variety professionally bred and sold to joke stores. Also, in SMRPG, there were Mushrooms that completely restored all HP and FP. Following the Nintendo-console-adjective tradition, (SUPER Nintendo, ULTRA 64,)I guess those could be Virtual Mushrooms, Mushroom Advances, Mushroom Cubes, or DMs. But there's probably a better name. Anyway, I think the magical ones were created by Magikoopas at some point, but a problem arises - If they're making them now, it must be a pretty well-kept secret. If they were made a long time ago, then why are there still so many? This is fun!
Post by: CrossEyed7 on August 21, 2006, 03:55:43 PM
I haven't played Paper Mario 1 yet, but the full time line does have the events tentatively set at 17 AM, along with some tentative dates relating to the characters. (Goomama and Goompapa meet at the University of Goom during a rally against Morton.) Of course, everything about it is subject to change once I play it, especially if I'm convinced after seeing it that Bowser really dies at the end. Then I might also reconsider Luigi's Mansion. (Madame Clairvoya said that Mario had "soundly defeated" Bowser, and it's possible that King Boo was actually reanimating Bowser's corpse. But then I'd also have to rethink Mario is Missing and SMRPG. If it is a Bowser suit, it's most likely that Madame Clairvoya died between 0 and 4 AM, (SMB and SMB3) so she only knew that Bowser had been dropped into a river of lava. The portrait ghosts don't seem to know much about the world since their death.)
I haven't finished Mario Sunshine yet, so, although I have it set at 15 AM, I didn't feel I should include it in the condense timeline without knowing the full plot.
In 15 AM, the Mushroom Kingdom built a sports center to commemorate the fifteenth anniversary. Bowser only participated in the kart racing, since it was so fun, and after he lost his reputation in 27 AM, (DDR:MM) he finally agreed to the two-person karts that the Mushroom Kingdom had been pushing for all along, and also began participating in the other sports. The kart racing tournament started earlier, though, in 7 AM, when Luigi had a course built at his mansion, though it was not accepted into the official kart-racing circuit until 27 AM. Kart racing itself is even older, stretching back much farther than 40 BM, the year it was first introduced to the inhabitants of Circuit Break Island by colonists. The Bob-ombs killed the colonists and took their karts, later adding weapons that washed up on the shore from time to time during the Mushroom War.
The Mario Party games go after 27 BM, and are Bowser's primary evil acts for the remainder of his life.
I don't think I've decided on Bonetail and Gloomtail's birth dates yet. I'll let you know when I do.
Post by: The Chef on August 21, 2006, 04:17:35 PM
As for the variety of Mushrooms, that was established back in the anime movie "The Great Mission to Rescue Peach", if consider it canon (and I do because it filled in a lot of stuff that SMB didn't have and actually inspired quite a few elements of later Mario games, such as character designs, workings of the Mushroom Kingdom, etc.)
Post by: yoshimastar on August 21, 2006, 04:22:48 PM
I think the only real reason the door opened a thousand years later was because.... well, it's a nice round number and Beldam's plan to bring back the Shadow Queen was finalized then. With the help of the X-Nauts technology and Mario finding all the Crystal Stars for them, it was all in perfect place.
The Koopalings and Bowser Jr. where born around the same time ( withen a couple years ) but only the Koopalings had growth excelleration. Bowser probably wanted to have a real natural child, and thus, Bowser Jr. was growing up, and was old enough to do some action in Mario Sunshine.
Since there's over 10,000 known species of mushrooms there has to be at least a few thousand in the Mario universe.
There's nothing left in the Shadow Palace anymore really ( unless you include over a thousand years of black magic/pure hate/dark power/ and bad vibes stewing around ), so it could be reinhabited by the Rogueport folk. Since the Palace used to be 1/4 of the old city, the whole thing could be magically raised up again. Mabey.
Post by: Tingrio on August 21, 2006, 04:38:59 PM
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Post by: Kojinka on August 21, 2006, 08:24:06 PM
To answer your question, Toad, the purpose Vivian's zipped lips was part of the plot device. Okay, maybe she was too young to remember anything about the Shadow Queen, and Beldam wouldn't say a thing about it to her younger sister because she's just that abusive.
Post by: PaperLuigi on August 21, 2006, 09:01:03 PM
On the subject of Shadow Sirens: how come when Vivian joined your party, she didn't tell you about Beldam's plan to re-surrect the Shadow Queen? She could have at least given the party a heads up that she used to work for the Queen.
I doubt her sister would tell her something like that anyway (Vivian had an inferior complex, and wasn't the brightest bulb in the bunch). Beldam might of explained it to Vivian as a game of sorts (or she may not have explained it to her at all, for fear Vivian would have spilled the beans to the heros.)
Post by: Toad on August 21, 2006, 09:09:58 PM
I doubt her sister would tell her something like that anyway (Vivian had an inferior complex, and wasn't the brightest bulb in the bunch). Beldam might of explained it to Vivian as a game of sorts (or she may not have explained it to her at all, for fear Vivian would have spilled the beans to the heros.)
Hmm.. I guess that makes sense. I'm going with the "she kept her lips sealed as a plot device" theory.
Here's another question now, along the same lines: why didn't the Shadow Queen recoginze that she was there? I thought that all 3 Sirens were at least 1,000 years old.
.. and here's a question not relating to Paper Mario: in the old SMB game (and now, the New SMB), why does the Mushroom Kingdom need that many castles (and/or fortresses)? The old game had a flagpole and castle for each level, and a big castle for the World you were in. The castles, I get, but the forts.. why did they need 24 fortresses? (and even more in New SMB, since the secret exits in that game have red flags)
Post by: BP on August 21, 2006, 09:13:56 PM
Something just came into my head that would be a good question for the Mariology. How in the name of maple cream cookies did Toadsworth exist in the Mario universe if his first game he appeared in was Super Mario Sunshine!?He was in another castle.
Post by: PaperLuigi on August 21, 2006, 09:37:30 PM
Here's another question now, along the same lines: why didn't the Shadow Queen recoginze that she was there? I thought that all 3 Sirens were at least 1,000 years old.
Huh, that's a good question. Most likely, someone just forgot to put in text for the Shadow Queen, such as, "Why did you betray me?" But it also could have been that the Queen was all-knowing, and knew Vivian would betray her anyway, although the latter doesn't seem to likely.
.. and here's a question not relating to Paper Mario: in the old SMB game (and now, the New SMB), why does the Mushroom Kingdom need that many castles (and/or fortresses)? The old game had a flagpole and castle for each level, and a big castle for the World you were in. The castles, I get, but the forts.. why did they need 24 fortresses? (and even more in New SMB, since the secret exits in that game have red flags)
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For larger forts; more weapons to protect the castle, bigger space and power. (Like a Rook in Chess) Bowser was obviously too powerful and over-took these fortresses. (That's just my guess.)
Post by: yoshimastar on August 21, 2006, 09:39:34 PM
The more modern houses are built like regular ones since there hasn't been an all out war in a while.
Post by: Robert on August 21, 2006, 10:30:10 PM
And about all the castles around the mushroom kingdom, maybe this is where all of Bowser's troops stay when Mario hasn't entered the level? What I mean is before Mario enters a level, the castles are where the enemies found in the level, live. Every night, they would go to the castles to sleep, then in the morning, they would take their position in the level until night time. Then they would go to the castle for rest, and the night shift would begin their patrol.
Post by: Adventure_Knight on August 22, 2006, 05:50:33 AM
Post by: The Chef on August 22, 2006, 08:07:10 AM
Well, some say that he was the Chancellor in SMRPG, but I think he can be explained around without too much trouble, since, as far as I know, Peach's castle wasn't deeply explored in peacetime before his introduction - the castle in SMRPG is a more ceremonial castle, and the one in SM64 is an art gallery.
I always thought that they were all the same castle; they just got it renovated after SMRPG, and it was twisted out of proportion due to the loss of star power in SM64. Those are my theories and I'm stickin' to 'em.
And about all the castles around the mushroom kingdom, maye this is where all of Bowser's troops stay when Mario hasn't entered the level? What I mean is before Mario enters a level, the castles are where the enemies found in the level, live. Every night, they would go to the castles to sleep, then in the morning, they would take their position in the level until night time. Then they would go to the castle for rest, and the night shift would begin their patrol.
I like this theory.
Post by: PaperLuigi on August 22, 2006, 06:03:41 PM
Post by: Adventure_Knight on August 23, 2006, 10:03:44 AM
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Vivian was not at all intellegent. Because of this, many ideas of why she was shunned by the Queen (in addition to her not understanding the plan) are quite possible.
Since when was Vivian a she?
Post by: The Chef on August 23, 2006, 11:05:33 AM
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Post by: Adventure_Knight on August 23, 2006, 02:16:25 PM
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Does it really matter if the Japan version says she's male?
What are you talking about? She's male on the spanish and french versions as well.
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Post by: Adventure_Knight on August 24, 2006, 05:29:21 AM
My game says that Vivian is a guy, (There's an humorous scene based on this) and the final boss is called the Shadow Queen. The english version is glitched or what.
Post by: Robert on August 24, 2006, 08:32:21 AM
Post by: The Chef on August 24, 2006, 09:22:40 AM
???
My game says that Vivian is a guy, (There's an humorous scene based on this) and the final boss is called the Shadow Queen. The english version is glitched or what.
You obviously don't know much about 'localization'.
Post by: yoshimastar on August 24, 2006, 10:25:31 AM
Well, then you might as well call the Shadow Queen the Shadow King. (Although she used to have a body when her physical form was intact.)
I mean they're neither.
Like a plant.
And if she was a guy Vivian would be gay because she kissed Mario at least twice (with a little floating heart mind you). She also almost said her true feelings about Mario at the end of the game.
Post by: The Chef on August 24, 2006, 10:31:26 AM
Post by: Adventure_Knight on August 24, 2006, 10:50:44 AM
Post by: Robert on August 24, 2006, 10:54:44 AM
I can't believe we're debating about Vivian's gender again. Can we discuss something else?
Okay.
In SM64 and SMS, when mario travels a certain distance in a level, he's stopped by an invisable wall. In the game, this is to prevent mario from going too far out into nothingness, but what would be the story line explanation for this?
Post by: Adventure_Knight on August 24, 2006, 01:42:34 PM
Post by: Robert on August 24, 2006, 02:20:09 PM
Force Field! Placed by Bowser/Villain of the current game to make things harder for Mario.
If that's the case, than how come no one else in SMS noticed the invisable walls? How come the Piantas didn't charge Mario with placing force fields all around their island? Also, I personally think it would have been more diffucult to swim to Ricco Harbour than it is to jump into a portal and be teleported there. These force fields don't appear to have been lifted after defeating Bowser or collecting all 120 shines.I think the invisable walls in SMS represent Mario's morality. For example, if Mario goes to far out to sea, he'll releize that it's pointless to keep swimming and he has more important things to do.
But your theory could work for SM64. Most of the levels in that game were uninhabited, save for Bowser's troops. Bob-omb Battlefeild, Cool,Cool Mountain, Snowman's Land and Tiny Huge Island are seemingly the only stages with signs of civalization.
Post by: CoconutMikeNIke on August 24, 2006, 02:43:43 PM
Post by: Adventure_Knight on August 24, 2006, 03:27:03 PM
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If that's the case, than how come no one else in SMS noticed the invisable walls? How come the Piantas didn't charge Mario with placing force fields all around their island? Also, I personally think it would have been more diffucult to swim to Ricco Harbour than it is to jump into a portal and be teleported there. These force fields don't appear to have been lifted after defeating Bowser or collecting all 120 shines.I think the invisable walls in SMS represent Mario's morality. For example, if Mario goes to far out to sea, he'll releize that it's pointless to keep swimming and he has more important things to do.
1. Piantas can jump and they are usually near their homes.
2. Warp Portals can warp you everywhere.
3. When Bowser is defeated, these walls don't dissapear instantly, they slowly fade. (It's Black Magic after all).
Post by: Robert on August 24, 2006, 04:11:54 PM
1. Piantas can jump and they are usually near their homes.
2. Warp Portals can warp you everywhere.
3. When Bowser is defeated, these walls don't dissapear instantly, they slowly fade. (It's Black Magic after all).
1. Piantas can jump, but they can't just "jump" over invisable walls. They're probably very high up. They might even reach the depths of space for all we know. Also, they may be "near their homes", but what if, for example, a noki in Noki bay wants to get to the marketplace in Delfino Plaza?
2.True, but these warps were established only after Mario came to Isle Delfino. Shadow Mario might have mucked up the isle a couple days before Mario came. Plus, certain warps could only be accessed via the use of FLUDD, which only Mario has. The warps to Sierra Beach and Pianta Village are prime examples.
3.Hmm... okay, I'll give you that one. It'll fade eventually.
Post by: yoshimastar on August 24, 2006, 04:15:57 PM
Plus there's walls around Peach's Castle.
Post by: The Chef on August 24, 2006, 06:22:20 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on August 25, 2006, 11:27:13 AM
A lot of the characters seem like they've been in their level for a long time. Unless Bowser magically gave them there own fake memorys and personality I think the areas really exist.
Bowser could have made a portal under every area to warp back out of the painting. Then made walls around the levels so nobody could excape.
The SMS walls just really seem to be in game. Unless Bowser made the walls around the island to make sure nobody would escape. But only made them after Mario's plane landed.
Post by: The Chef on August 25, 2006, 02:44:19 PM
A lot of the characters seem like they've been in their level for a long time. Unless Bowser magically gave them there own fake memorys and personality I think the areas really exist.
Which ones? The bosses were obviously employed by Bowser to guard the stars, so the only other character I can think of are the Penguins and the Bob-omb Buddies, who could've been residents of the castle. Or maybe the paintings always led to those worlds and Bowser just screwed them up using evil magic and a lot of minions.
Post by: yoshimastar on August 25, 2006, 07:01:04 PM
I think the only places Bowser really made where his levels and added some traps to the other levels.
Post by: Robert on August 25, 2006, 07:21:33 PM
The penguins, the catipillar, Eyerok talks like he's been there for centuries, the underwater town in Wet Dry World seems like its had some background, Koopa the Quick, a sign in Jolly Roger Bays cave suggests pirates used to be there. The Bob-omb buddies sole purpose is to open the cannons, and the only cannon outside the paintings is the one near Peach's Castle, but that one has grating over it, not the Bob-omb Buddies metal plate with their picture. The Bob-omb King talked like he's always ruled over the battlefield, and the official guide says the Pyramid is ancient.
I think the only places Bowser really made where his levels and added some traps to the other levels.
Perhaps the artist(s) that painted the painting also had a story to go along with the picture? Or maybe the artist(s) drew the paintings to tell a story? Could it be that the paintings were based on real life locations in the Mushroom World?
Post by: yoshimastar on August 25, 2006, 07:46:33 PM
Post by: The Chef on August 26, 2006, 10:10:12 AM
Post by: Toad on August 26, 2006, 05:05:16 PM
Could it be that the paintings were based on real life locations in the Mushroom World?
I like that idea, the paintings being based on Mushroom locations.
.. and here is something else: I don't think that Peach has many castles (one for ceremonies, one for art, etc..) I think that the castle we see in every game is the same castle, just has been renovated, or magically changed.
SM64 saw that Bowser was trying to take over the Kingdom (again), this time by taking power from the castle, right? Well, when Mario defeated Bowser, what if the "evil" things that Bowser did disappeared? That would make the castle change it's shape/form to accomodate what has/had happened, and it's not like it's hard for Peach to save money for castle renovations when coins float around in the sky.
Speaking of coins, why do they float? I've never seen money that floats around like that.. and how come coins aren't just floating around in the RPG games (instead, held inside boxes or dropped by enemies)?
Post by: The Chef on August 26, 2006, 06:01:06 PM
As for the thing about the coins, maybe the "floating" is just a metaphor, like the growing from the Mushrooms.
Post by: yoshimastar on August 26, 2006, 06:27:46 PM
Post by: SushieBoy on August 26, 2006, 06:53:03 PM
Post by: The Chef on August 26, 2006, 07:51:18 PM
I've also thought up another topic. where the heck did Mario get 'Mario Land' in SML2? My theory is that he always had it (Mario said the Wario tried to take it over many times before in the instructions) but decided to stop using it in favor of a house after it became a target for enemies such as Tatanga and Bowser.
Post by: SushieBoy on August 26, 2006, 08:50:11 PM
Post by: BP on August 26, 2006, 10:14:05 PM
Post by: Kojinka on August 27, 2006, 08:06:13 AM
Post by: The Chef on August 27, 2006, 09:35:02 AM
What'd you guys think of this theory, huh? It's either this or the Mario vs. Wario story from NP.
Post by: yoshimastar on August 27, 2006, 11:00:12 AM
Wario took over the area with some kinda magic, Mario heard about it and came to take back his land.
The castle could given to Mario for being a hero, so he has his own little get away island.
Post by: The Chef on August 27, 2006, 02:04:48 PM
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Post by: The Chef on August 28, 2006, 09:49:23 AM
Post by: SushieBoy on August 28, 2006, 01:54:47 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on August 28, 2006, 03:05:27 PM
How does money work for super heros anyway?
Post by: The Chef on August 28, 2006, 03:07:32 PM
Post by: Adventure_Knight on August 28, 2006, 05:25:50 PM
Post by: The Chef on August 28, 2006, 05:57:21 PM
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Uh, which manual are you reading!? It says no such thing in my manual!
Post by: yoshimastar on August 28, 2006, 06:33:33 PM
Post by: Wumbo on August 29, 2006, 03:06:49 PM
If you look carefully on the board that Wario and Waluigi drew on, on the far left you can see Toad and Toadette in the standings. Even though they aren't playable? O_O
Post by: CrzyFlmngMnkyHead on August 29, 2006, 03:46:52 PM
Post by: The Chef on August 29, 2006, 07:36:41 PM
Post by: Toad on August 30, 2006, 04:31:40 PM
I'm not sure Mario really has all that much money......
How does money work for super heros anyway?
Well, I don't know about super heros, but the Mario Bros don't have to work hard for money, considering that it is floating around in the air, and hidden in boxes, in the world that they are in.
All they have to do is punch a few blocks and then they could afford quite nearly anything, I'm sure.
Post by: yoshimastar on August 31, 2006, 05:39:18 PM
And they could have other metals in them, like some of our coins.
Post by: Wumbo on August 31, 2006, 05:41:56 PM
Post by: NintendoDSLee91 on August 31, 2006, 09:40:33 PM
Post by: The Chef on September 01, 2006, 08:14:27 AM
Post by: yoshimastar on September 01, 2006, 10:25:36 AM
Hmm, geuss so.
Post by: The Chef on September 01, 2006, 05:18:26 PM
Post by: MaxVance on September 01, 2006, 05:41:46 PM
I strongly doubt we'll get to see Mr. & Mrs. Mario at all.Hey, we saw their feet and their hands.
Post by: Kojinka on September 01, 2006, 05:50:27 PM
Post by: The Chef on September 01, 2006, 05:50:08 PM
Post by: Stapler__9_42 on September 04, 2006, 10:54:56 AM
It went kind of like this: At some point in the Mushroom World's past, there existed a race of ape-like beings (the parallel universe equivalent of human ancestors), who somehow got "infected" by a particular type of parasitic fungus. These people passed this "disease" down to their children, and eventually the fungus started taking over part of their bodies. By a lucky chance these infected people learned to cope with it and eventually the two life-forms formed a symbiotic relationship. The fungus formed a protective mushroom shell at the top of their heads (instead of hair), providing insulation and protection from the cold winters and storms, and in turn, the fungus allowed itself to absorb some of its host's nutrients (stunting their growth in the process, hence their small size and unusual facial shape). In the mushroom world, many species of fungus have special uses, such as healing, and this served the Mushroom People's ancestors well. Eventually, they outsurvived the other humanoid races and developed into the race we know today.
However, on rare occasions a Mushroom Person may be born defective (or "uninfected", depending on how you look at it), where the fungus is unable to take over the host's body, resulting in a more fully-sized human who possesses no mushroom parts. I suppose if you wanted to parralel their history with ours, the "defective" ones would have been the ones most discriminated against until over time proper discrimination laws were set up by the government (incidentally, a monarchy known as The Mushroom Kingdom). It's lucky that these laws were set in place, for who would have thought that soon a Princess would be born without a Mushroom? Yes, Peach Toadstool, who grew to be at twice as tall as her parents, and grow long, blonde hair, and human-sized dresses?
...That was the gist of it. I know it's flawed, but I was a kid when I wrote about it, okay?
As for the origins of Mario and Luigi, suppose the "Stork" from SMW2 might be thought of as a special "Adoption Service" that mails orphans directly to you? I mean, we only saw Mr. and Mrs. Mario from a glance, but they look kind of old, by the looks of their wrinkled hands and arms. Perhaps they were too old to have kids, so they took on some orphans who may or may not be from the Mushroom World? There's my cent and a half.
Post by: Linkboy on September 04, 2006, 12:14:46 PM
Post by: The Chef on September 04, 2006, 02:56:39 PM
Actually, I had this theory that Mario and Luigi got to the Mushroom Kingdom using the Rainbow Road. This is because in Mario Golf for Gameboy Color, after you beat all four clubs you get to go to Peach's Castle, qhich is accessed by stepping through a rainbow-colored door and walking across a rainbow-colored bridge in the sky, eventually to Peach's Castle, also located in the sky. This theory could also be used to explain why there's no land surrounding the main area with the castle in SM64.
Post by: Kojinka on September 04, 2006, 06:05:44 PM
Post by: Stapler__9_42 on September 05, 2006, 06:59:21 PM
Post by: The Chef on September 05, 2006, 07:25:08 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on September 06, 2006, 03:01:36 PM
There are a lot of above ground pipes and most of them stop at blocks.
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To shift into a large debate...
I think the Mario Bros. arcade game started around the same time as SMB, so that Bowser's invasion started just before the MB game.
The Koopas, Spniys, ect. could have been in the Brooklyn swewers for many reasons, here's a couple.
1. Totally random
2. Searching for escaped Toad's people and found the pipe by accident
3. They where good creatures like in the Paper Mario games and where escaping from Bowser's troops.
Post by: The Chef on September 06, 2006, 03:31:36 PM
Post by: spamspamspamspam on September 06, 2006, 06:12:54 PM
HAS ANYONE REALIZED WE ALREADY MISSED THE 25th ANNIVERSARY OF DONKEY KONG!we missed it! We didn't even have a notice on themushroomkingdom.net home page!AAAAh!
Post by: Stapler__9_42 on September 06, 2006, 08:04:39 PM
On that note, happy anniversary Mario!
Post by: yoshimastar on September 06, 2006, 09:59:23 PM
Anywho, the creatures in the sewers are anyones geuss.
So who has the best geuss?
And don't you dare comment about me not being a true Mario fan for not liking DK!
Post by: Robert on September 07, 2006, 05:59:26 AM
Anywho, the creatures in the sewers are anyones geuss.
So who has the best geuss?
I'll take a shot at this...
My theory is that the crabs and fireflies could have already been in the sewers long before the koopas came. Perhaps they hid in the shadows, afraid of the humans? Then, one faithful day, the koopas came out of a certain green pipe that connected the mushroom world and earth with orders from Bowser to conquer earth, found the crabs and fireflies and convinced them to use their abilities to fight back against the humans.
That's just my theory.
Post by: yoshimastar on September 07, 2006, 05:19:22 PM
Post by: Toad on September 07, 2006, 06:21:14 PM
Yeah, but there weren't any Sidesteppers and Fighterflies in any Mario game besides MB, so the question is, were the enemies in MB really Bowser's troops?
There were Fighter Flies in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga. Maybe Sidesteppers too (been awhile since I've played..)
I think the enemies in MB were evil, but didn't necesarily work for Bowser. Mabey they just took it upon themsevles to try and stop these mere plumbers from getting into the Mushroom Kingdom.
Post by: CrossEyed7 on September 08, 2006, 01:24:05 PM
Fighter Flies in the Beanbean Castle Sewers... Either they're inherently drawn to pipes, or the Beanbean Sewers are somehow connected to the Brooklyn Sewers. I could see there being some sort of interdimensional transport in the BBS, since we know they're probably not used as actual sewers. What do they do for sewers? Wait, do the Beanbean people even need sewers? There's a good chance they're photosynthetic, so they probably don't even produce waste. So if Mario and Luigi had known more about the Beanbean race, they wouldn't have fallen for the trap. There's an interesting aspect. Anyway, I guess Bowser took over the Mushroom Kingdom first, and the Beanbean Kingdom set up Little Fungitown for refugees, and then Bowser took over the Beanbean Kingdom, using the BBS link to try and take over Earth.
Post by: The Chef on September 08, 2006, 05:56:46 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on September 08, 2006, 06:07:14 PM
Post by: CrossEyed7 on September 10, 2006, 12:25:44 PM
By the way, for an extra challenge, where do all of Mario's cameos fit in?
Post by: The Chef on September 10, 2006, 01:36:06 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on September 10, 2006, 02:34:49 PM
The Mario Bros. game fits in with the warp pipe story too perfectly, it's at the beggining of the whole series, it's the first game to show Mushroom World enemies, and is in the sewers surrounded by pipes.
Post by: The Chef on September 11, 2006, 12:41:59 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on September 11, 2006, 03:09:56 PM
Either way it's not a debatable topic. At one point Mario and Luigi once lived in Brooklyn.
Post by: The Chef on September 12, 2006, 04:46:25 PM
Post by: Toad on September 12, 2006, 07:57:36 PM
Then there's also the appearance in Smash Bros Melee, but that one may or may not count since the Smash Bros series is a conglomeration of all things Nintendo.
Post by: yoshimastar on September 12, 2006, 08:16:18 PM
There could be more than one castle, and the sports games castles could be models.
Post by: superstarMASIAH on September 13, 2006, 07:24:08 AM
Post by: The Chef on September 13, 2006, 02:13:06 PM
Has this guy's account been hacked? He normally doesn't post like that.
Post by: PaperLuigi on September 14, 2006, 04:02:07 PM
(And Mario transforms into several paper modes too.)
Post by: The Chef on September 14, 2006, 04:05:27 PM
Post by: PaperLuigi on September 14, 2006, 04:09:37 PM
Post by: The Baron on September 14, 2006, 04:11:14 PM
Post by: PaperLuigi on September 14, 2006, 04:16:38 PM
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Post by: The Chef on September 14, 2006, 04:27:37 PM
Mario is 3-D most of the time though.
But the paper thing was a style. Did Mario get excited in SM64 when he discovered he was made of polygons instead of pixels? I think not.
Post by: yoshimastar on September 14, 2006, 07:25:02 PM
Post by: The Baron on September 14, 2006, 08:43:03 PM
Post by: Toad on September 16, 2006, 02:32:53 PM
Did Mario get excited in SM64 when he discovered he was made of polygons instead of pixels?
That would make a neat scene, though..
Mario: *looks at his hand* I'm polygonal! *jumps for joy*
Post by: BP on September 16, 2006, 07:54:27 PM
Mario: Argh.
You know the story behind the curses, right?
BEWARE, SPOILERS BEYOND THIS POINT
The Shadow Queen made it so the four heroes that sealed her up would be sealed in a box when they no longer carried a Crystal Star, and they would be forced to curse whomever opened it. But they outsmarted her by instead granting the opener (Mario) powers, but because it was their fate to curse him they acted as such. The powers Mario needed in order to reach the Shadow Queen just so happened to be to fly, to slip through narrow passages, to crawl under low spaces, and to float on water. A thousand years ago, maybe paper was the most practical thing that could do these and the four heroes based their "curses" on papery qualities.
Post by: yoshimastar on September 16, 2006, 09:32:56 PM
Post by: CrossEyed7 on September 16, 2006, 09:39:49 PM
Post by: Kojinka on September 16, 2006, 09:54:08 PM
Hero 1: I'm bored! How long have we been trapped in these chests?!
Hero 2: I lost count at 300 years.
Hero 3: We've been stuck here for 500 years!
Hero 4: What?! If we have to wait another 500 years, we should mess with the opener's head! Like, say the special skills we grant him/her are terrible curses?
All: Yeaah!
Post by: The Chef on September 17, 2006, 08:16:37 AM
Why did Wario go through such a huge personality change? In his firts few games, he was a villain, but later on, he was a comedic antihero. What's up with that?
Post by: Wumbo on September 17, 2006, 02:36:10 PM
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Post by: The Chef on September 17, 2006, 06:37:24 PM
Post by: Toad on September 17, 2006, 07:12:56 PM
Revenge man. He wanted revenge on Mario. And I don't what he has against Toad.
Maybe he just hates Toad so much that he decided to try to trick him to death. It obviously didn't work, as Toad is still around today.. :)
Post by: The Chef on September 17, 2006, 07:20:45 PM
Post by: Toad on September 18, 2006, 05:04:28 PM
"Toad must reclaim the Dark Woods from the grasp of the evil Wario!"
I'm going to guess and say that Toad willingly went into the woods and fought Wario and his minions out.
On a side note: Has anybody ever finished WW? What is the ending like??
Post by: The Chef on September 18, 2006, 05:20:09 PM
Here is the first line of what the TMK page for Wario's Woods says..
"Toad must reclaim the Dark Woods from the grasp of the evil Wario!"
I'm going to guess and say that Toad willingly went into the woods and fought Wario and his minions out.
On a side note: Has anybody ever finished WW? What is the ending like??
Is that the SNES Wario's Woods or the NES Wario's Woods? I think they had different plots.
Post by: Toad on September 18, 2006, 07:27:20 PM
Post by: CoconutMikeNIke on September 18, 2006, 10:48:10 PM
Post by: The Chef on September 19, 2006, 04:55:44 PM
Post by: Chris on September 22, 2006, 11:20:44 AM
Diamond City has an almost entirely human population, wheras Toad Toad is mostly Toads. DK Island is mostly monkeys and Kremlings. Isle Delfino is mostly Piantas. The case isn't that there aren't many humans, per se, but that most Mario games don't take place around highly human populated places.
Post by: CrossEyed7 on September 22, 2006, 01:48:31 PM
Post by: Robert on September 22, 2006, 02:09:35 PM
That's just my theory.
Post by: The Chef on September 22, 2006, 03:16:34 PM
Post by: Chris on September 22, 2006, 03:21:22 PM
The "real" world, seen in Mario is Missing, Time Machine, GB Golf/Tennis, etc. can be accessed as well somehow, likely the portal used in GB Mario Golf.
(And I liked the Mario cartoons, contrived as they often were.)
The Brooklyn sewer warp story was what I was raised on, I admit, and I didn't warm up to the idea of them always having been there for awhile. But Partners in Time made their Mushroom Kingdom backstory a bit cooler.
Post by: Robert on September 22, 2006, 03:31:44 PM
But there weren't any humans in SML2. Heck, maybe humans are seen as God-figures by the mushroom people and that's why Peach is the princess and Mario is the hero.
But was it ever mentioned or seen what kind of people live in MarioLand? If it was, than I'm sorry. I've never played SML2 before. Heck, Mario could be ruling over a bunch of stuffed animals for all we know.
Post by: yoshimastar on September 22, 2006, 03:42:06 PM
And there should be a lot of humans in the Mushroom World. They could have been killed off during a war but many should have survived.
Post by: Chris on September 22, 2006, 03:43:18 PM
As we clearly see, he usually resides in a small house near Peach's Castle. For this reason, I don't think Mario Land even has inhabitants.
Post by: The Chef on September 22, 2006, 04:35:21 PM
List of Bosses:
-Owl (Tree Zone)
-Mechanical Mouse (Macro Zone)
-Witch (Pumpkin Zone)
-Three Pigs (Mario Zone)
-Octopus (Turtle Zone
-Tatanga (Space Zone)
Post by: Chris on September 23, 2006, 10:53:13 AM
I always thought it was just some random alien, not Tatanga. I'll have to go look at that again sometime...
Post by: The Chef on September 23, 2006, 11:16:45 AM
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n02/dmg/mla/chara/page03.html
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n02/dmg/l6j/enemy/index.html
Post by: yoshimastar on October 02, 2006, 03:47:32 PM
Star Haven?
Gelato Beach?
Yoshi's Island?
Flower Fields?
Post by: Toad on October 02, 2006, 07:44:08 PM
Flower Fields would be a good place.. so bright and sunny, and pretty. They could have a nice outdoorsy type wedding (similar to what my fiancee wants to have, next May..)
Post by: Robert on October 02, 2006, 09:21:57 PM
Technically, wouldn't that make Mario Prince of the Mushroom Kingdom?
Post by: The Chef on October 03, 2006, 04:19:16 PM
Post by: Kojinka on October 03, 2006, 09:47:11 PM
Post by: The Chef on October 04, 2006, 02:21:09 PM
Post by: Robert on October 04, 2006, 03:49:21 PM
I have a feeling Peach's parents are both dead, as we've never seen nor heard anything about them so far. (Back to this again, eh?)
If I'm correct, we did see the king of the mushroom kingdom in the comics and some Mario coloring books. But those might not be canon, so they're not the most reliable of sources.
For the time being, since we've never seen Peach's mother and father, we can only assume they're alive and kickin'.
Post by: spamspamspamspam on October 04, 2006, 05:57:27 PM
Post by: Kojinka on October 04, 2006, 06:07:16 PM
Post by: Robert on October 04, 2006, 06:28:27 PM
Post by: The Chef on October 04, 2006, 06:55:30 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on October 04, 2006, 10:27:48 PM
And Waluigi is the result of a bad KFC test tube experimentation!
And Peach's parents are actually humans and they're royalty because they assisted Mario's father to help defeat Bowser's father in a war just before the Bros. where born!
Hmmm wait that last one sounds intresting.....
Post by: spamspamspamspam on October 05, 2006, 02:00:27 PM
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Post by: Robert on October 06, 2006, 02:43:49 PM
welp, the web is wrong. i no everything there is to know about mario (almost). most people say wario was from the test tubes, but it was really waluigi. in MP3, there is a stage with waluigi. thats where they met.
Uh, I don't think that neither Wario nor Waluigi came from test tubes. I think that would be a bit mature for the Mario universe. I just think that Wario & Waluigi are just two regular dudes who were friends with the Mario brothers as kids who, coincidentally, had similar names & looks to Mario and Luigi.
Also, what do you mean by "there is a stage with waluigi"? Wasn't Waluigi a playable character in that game?
Post by: The Chef on October 06, 2006, 05:01:12 PM
Post by: spamspamspamspam on October 06, 2006, 05:06:05 PM
Actually, Wario is supposedly Mario & Luigi's cousin because in an for (I can't remember if it was Mario Kart 64 or Mario Kart Super Circuit) there's a letter to Mario & Luigi that is signed: Your cousin, Wario.I'm sorry, I made a typo, it was in an advertisement for the game. Though I know printed material (comics/ads) is not the best source.
Post by: spamspamspamspam on October 06, 2006, 05:11:54 PM
Yeah, he was playable, but not in Story Mode. The final stage belonged to him. This was because he takes over as the villain after beating Bowser in a fist fight in Story Mode.Wait, you mean Walugi once beat up Bowser?..............
WAAAAAAAAAAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My morale has just skyrocketed!!!!!
Post by: spamspamspamspam on October 06, 2006, 05:14:48 PM
Post by: silverstarman on October 06, 2006, 05:36:35 PM
yup. they all met like this...
wario knew he was a horrible tennis player, so he hired someone better than luigi while wario was busy with mario (as a scandal) to get them away from chances to win a trophy.
P.S.- peple say theres a note. there is none. sorry
Post by: BP on October 06, 2006, 08:55:12 PM
Post by: Ultima Shadow on October 06, 2006, 10:32:27 PM
I once wrote a story about the pasts of Wario and Waluigi, but it was a long time ago and I don't know where it is. I'm going to look for it. =O It involved Kamek's prophecy to some extent, I remember that much.
Post by: The Chef on October 07, 2006, 06:48:10 AM
It said that there was this magical circus that went from our world to the Mushroom World (because Italy was known for it's circuses and Mario does this whole acrobatic act in the intro of DK '94) where Wario's father was the ringmaster. He and Mario's parents were good friends and he showed them the the place where he got all the strange performers in his circus (the Mushroom Kingdom), which is where they chose to move. Then hey had kids and the events of YI followed, thus causing them to hand them over to Wario's father to keep them safe. So, over the years they were raised by him, and built up a rivalry with his kids, Wario and Waluigi. (This explains why Mario is such a good acrobat and could also explain how he met DK, who may have been a circus animal at that time.)
Post by: Kojinka on October 08, 2006, 09:35:08 AM
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Post by: spamspamspamspam on October 09, 2006, 01:50:20 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on October 09, 2006, 04:07:56 PM
Plus there's no reason why the Bros. would be dishing it out to flies and crabs.
Post by: spamspamspamspam on October 11, 2006, 05:00:26 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on October 11, 2006, 06:30:09 PM
In a sewer.
There's nothing more redundant than trying to get rid of flies in a sewer.
Post by: Toad on October 11, 2006, 08:44:57 PM
Hey. See that pencil above your post? To the left of the mailbox? That lets you edit your post. Now, doesn't that make more sense than posting two or three times in a row? DOESN'T IT? I mean, isn't that just THE MOST CONVENIENT THING you've EVER heard of???
Wow. That wasn't sarcasm..
Post by: yoshimastar on October 14, 2006, 05:23:27 PM
In Mario Golf TT when you hit a ball on top of one, it says tree. Only those ones could be trees but it's still something to think about. They look solid probably because of extremly thick foliage. Sometimes, especialy in windy conditions, dirt might get traped in the realy big and thick ones. Combined with dead leaves and compacted over time, it would make an ideal soil compound for new plants to grow on top. Windy conditions would also add in the new plant's seeds arrival at the tops of realy tall ones.
This is from the Mariology Forum, so what do you guys think?
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Post by: yoshimastar on October 16, 2006, 07:42:07 PM
And the dancing could be wind yah know.
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Post by: Robert on October 21, 2006, 11:35:47 AM
This is a bit off from our discussion here but, this occured to me during Reading class on Thursday. WHAT IF PAULINE IS REALLY MARIO'S SISTER?! This would explain why he tried so hard to rescue her and why she has dark hair and the story between Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2. But if it is true, does this mean all we've theorized about Mario's family is worthless?
I think it has been stated many times before in all sorts of media that Pauline is Mario's girlfriend. And about why Mario tried to rescue Pauline in Donkey Kong and Mvs.DK2-well, if your girlfriend was one day kidnapped by a big, hairy ape, wouldn't you try to rescue her? Love makes you do crazy things.
Post by: The Chef on October 21, 2006, 05:19:39 PM
I had this idea that the Mario in the current games is really the son of the one from the arcade game, like DK to Cranky. However, this theory has been destroyed with MvDK's release. I'm starting to lean towards the multiverse idea again...
Post by: Toad on October 22, 2006, 05:15:26 PM
Seriously, back before Mario and Peach got serious (or at least, became branded a couple), Mario and Pauline were still going out, thus the events of DK '94. Pauline disappears for awhile, and Mario and Peach get back together (presumably to stay, since they share everything these days).
After the events of the first MvDK game, Mario hears from Pauline. She's excited by the fact that his toy business has been so successful. Mario tells Peach about Pauline, Peach is ok with the situation since Pauline is now just an old friend, and Mario invites Pauline to the grand opening of Mini Mario World (and the events of MvDK2 play out).
That's my theory and I'm sticking to it. I still wish I could figure out why Daisy went out with Luigi instead Mario when Mario saved her back in the day from Tatanga, but that's a thoery for a different time.
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Post by: spamspamspamspam on October 24, 2006, 03:39:26 PM
I still wish I could figure out why Daisy went out with Luigi instead Mario when Mario saved her back in the day from Tatanga, but that's a thoery for a different time.
Well my theory about that, After rescuing Daisy, Mario goes back to his house, finding it taken over by his cousin Wario, (fast-forwarding through events of Super Mario Land 2). Peach has a party at her castle and Mario invites Daisy to come with him. There Dasiy meets Peach and a friendship is born, but also there, she meets Mario's brother Luigi and finds she likes him more than Mario.
Post by: Toad on October 24, 2006, 09:24:00 PM
That depends on what type of special guest she is. The way Mario acts hints that he and Pauline are going steady again.
Yea, it sure seems that way, doesn't it.. I don't have my game on hand right now, but when I get near it again, I'll try to pay attention to scenes where Mario and Pauline are close together.
Well my theory about that, After rescuing Daisy, Mario goes back to his house, finding it taken over by his cousin Wario, (fast-forwarding through events of Super Mario Land 2). Peach has a party at her castle and Mario invites Daisy to come with him. There Dasiy meets Peach and a friendship is born, but also there, she meets Mario's brother Luigi and finds she likes him more than Mario.
She has a party at her castle (hence Mario Party 3), and after that point, Luigi and Daisy are dating, I'm guessing?
What is it with these Mario Bros and getting to date princesses? I hope Nintendo doesn't turn Pauline into some sort of princess, otherwise the Marioverse will be full of too many princesses (ok, so maybe three isn't all that many, but still..)
Post by: The Chef on October 25, 2006, 01:14:16 PM
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Post by: Toad on October 28, 2006, 04:38:16 PM
Could domes be like, on-land coral? It would make sense because coral is living hense the eyes, it can have patterns, and it can grow.
It would bring some sense into the craziness that is the Marioverse.
.. ok, so the 'verse isn't that crazy, there are just a few paradoxial things that I've been thinking about as of late..
- How baby versions of characters can appear in the same game as grown up counter parts (babies in Mario Kart DD, Mario Tennis,.. and others)
- What is Mario's relationship to Pauline? How does Pauline feel about Peach, Daisy? Pauline was Mario's first girlfriend, and yet here we are, 15+ years later, and he goes off to rescue her yet again when DK kidnaps her at the opening ceremony of Super Mini Mario World.
- How do pipes work?
- What is Mario's relation to Wario, if they are related at all, and what is Wario's to Waluigi?
- How come Nintendo refuses to give Toad his own game? Most of the other major Mario characters have spun off into their own series (DK, Yoshi), or have been playable in at least one other game, other than SMB2 (Super Princess Peach, Bowser Bros in PM2).
Post by: BP on October 28, 2006, 06:00:34 PM
- How baby versions of characters can appear in the same game as grown up counter parts (babies in Mario Kart DD, Mario Tennis,.. and others)I don't know, I guess they could be using E. Gadd's time machine from M&L:PiT. Or you could go with my personal theory, that the spinoffs exist outside of time...
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- What is Mario's relationship to Pauline? How does Pauline feel about Peach, Daisy? Pauline was Mario's first girlfriend, and yet here we are, 15+ years later, and he goes off to rescue her yet again when DK kidnaps her at the opening ceremony of Super Mini Mario World.I guess they broke up and are just good friends, sure. Besides, it doesn't matter WHO she is... Mario saves everybody he can, no matter what.
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- How do pipes work?They warp you.
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- What is Mario's relation to Wario, if they are related at all, and what is Wario's to Waluigi?Exaggerated and bad-spirited counterpart. They're the Wario Bros.
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- How come Nintendo refuses to give Toad his own game? Most of the other major Mario characters have spun off into their own series (DK, Yoshi), or have been playable in at least one other game, other than SMB2 (Super Princess Peach, Bowser Bros in PM2).He's always been a faithful playable character, except for Mario Party, in which he was always some kind of host until 12 or 15... I don't know. Soon enough, though. Patience.
Post by: Robert on October 28, 2006, 08:50:21 PM
- How baby versions of characters can appear in the same game as grown up counter parts (babies in Mario Kart DD, Mario Tennis,.. and others)
- What is Mario's relationship to Pauline? How does Pauline feel about Peach, Daisy? Pauline was Mario's first girlfriend, and yet here we are, 15+ years later, and he goes off to rescue her yet again when DK kidnaps her at the opening ceremony of Super Mini Mario World.
- How do pipes work?
- What is Mario's relation to Wario, if they are related at all, and what is Wario's to Waluigi?
- How come Nintendo refuses to give Toad his own game? Most of the other major Mario characters have spun off into their own series (DK, Yoshi), or have been playable in at least one other game, other than SMB2 (Super Princess Peach, Bowser Bros in PM2).
- My theory is that games like Mario tennis, Mario Kart or any other Mario sports game are not really canon, they're just fun spinoffs. There for, Nintendo can do whatever they want with the spinoff titles, even put baby characters in the same universe with the adult variations of themselves.
- I believe that Mario and Pauline have broken up. Why? Well, it's widely believed that Mario was born in the Mushroom Kingdom, but was taken to Brooklyn in the "real" world because it was too dangerous for Mario to be in the MK as the Koopas would surely hunt him and his brother Luigi down. Anyway, He was raised in Brooklyn, and eventually meet Pauline. Mario fell in love with Pauline, and the two promised to be together always. However, when mysterious creatures began appearing in the sewers, the mayor asked Mario to and Luigi to clean up the sewers. Before he went down into the Sewers, Pauline asked Mario if he'd come back alive. Mario promised he'd be back, but when Mario & Luigi found a green pipe that the monsters were coming from, and had no choice to enter it. The Mario Bros. went into the pipe, discovered the Mushroom Kingdom, and stopped the monsters from getting to the real world by destroying the pipe, but in the process, detroyed their only way to get back home. In the MK, Mario has reliezed he'll never get back to Brooklyn, and has moved on Peach. In Brooklyn, Mario & Luigi have been presumed dead, and Pauline has moved on to other men,
Also, I believe that the events of MvsDK and it's sequal were dreams Mario had while in Brooklyn. I explain my theory a little more in Depth some other time, as it's getting late over here.
- In SMS, we see the inside of the pipes; they seem to have some sort of rainbow-colored goo at the bottem of them. I believe that all pipes that have this goo inside them will teleportthe person who jumped inside to another pipe somewhere that corresponds to that pipe. This would also explain why some pipes can take you somewhere when you jump into them and others don't; Some pipes have this teleportation goo inside them, and others don't.
- IN an NP comic, it explianed that Mario & Wario were friends as children, but Mario constantly Bullied Wario, whiched caused him to become a mean guy later on in life. As for the relationship between Wario & Waluigi, a NoE website described Waluigi as Wario's, "Dim-witted brother."
- No comment.
Post by: The Chef on October 29, 2006, 08:32:40 AM
Well, since we're talking about the scenery again, then I agree with this..
It would bring some sense into the craziness that is the Marioverse.
.. ok, so the 'verse isn't that crazy, there are just a few paradoxial things that I've been thinking about as of late..
- How baby versions of characters can appear in the same game as grown up counter parts (babies in Mario Kart DD, Mario Tennis,.. and others)
I like to think of those games as "inter-series crossovers" where various incarnations of the characters come together. Besides, you never see the Baby characters in the intro movies, right?
- What is Mario's relationship to Pauline? How does Pauline feel about Peach, Daisy? Pauline was Mario's first girlfriend, and yet here we are, 15+ years later, and he goes off to rescue her yet again when DK kidnaps her at the opening ceremony of Super Mini Mario World.
One of my thoeries is that Mario being with Pauline takes place in an alternate timeline of some sort. Same thing with the events of SML.
- How do pipes work?
I came up with this theory that the pipes have been there since ancient times and might have been built by an ancestor of Mario's.
- What is Mario's relation to Wario, if they are related at all, and what is Wario's to Waluigi?
I'm pretty sure Wario is really jealous of Mario so he likes to imitate him. Lately he seems to have grown out of that, unless WarioWare is in an alternate universe too. Same goes for Waluigi, who has me thinking that all the games he's appeared in are in different universes from the games he doesn't appear in.
- How come Nintendo refuses to give Toad his own game? Most of the other major Mario characters have spun off into their own series (DK, Yoshi), or have been playable in at least one other game, other than SMB2 (Super Princess Peach, Bowser Bros in PM2).
Well, there was Wario's Woods.
Post by: Kojinka on October 29, 2006, 11:21:11 AM
As to how Pauline made a comeback for MvsDK2(I've played the store demo so I have a good idea), I have two theories:
1. MK residents have discovered more dimensional warp zones, and Mario invited his old friend, Pauline, to the grand opening of his new toystore. If that's the case, I hope the events of Mvs.DK2 doesn't sour Mario and DK's friendship.
Or 2. Mario just had another crazy dream. The events of the original DK arcade game is probably a very vivid memory for Mario, and, even though he's with Peach now, he still, at times, longs for Pauline. Hey, we know from SMB2 (even though it wasn't really a Mario game to begin with) that Mario can have some pretty wild dreams.
Post by: BP on October 29, 2006, 01:19:41 PM
Post by: The Chef on October 29, 2006, 03:28:31 PM
Post by: NintendoExpert89 on October 29, 2006, 06:53:46 PM
About the multiverse thing...
I think that the two time periods in M&LPiT are in fact separate universes where the events figuratively happen at the same time ("The past, present, and future are all occurring at once"). The time holes in the game are examples of wormholes, which in theory are bridges from that connect two places in spacetime or can connect into another universe altogether. Wormholes are unstable however, since they can close up shortly after opening (demonstrated in the game's beginning, when the time hole disappears and the brothers are stranded in the past). Traveling backward and forward through time in the game is a matter of going from one universe to the other. The only convenient about this is that the time holes are situated (out of all places in the universe) only within the Mushroom Kingdom.
Why I think the events are all happening at once is because the events happen only according to the time frame of the game. For example, the time machine takes Peach goes into the past for a while (that "while" is that duration in the past when she is kidnapped and what not) and then returns, instead of returning immediately after leaving. To make this less confusing, think of it as leaving the present when a clock there reads 12:00 PM. You stay in the past for 10 minutes and then return to the present to find that the clock is now 12:10 PM.
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Post by: The Chef on November 01, 2006, 07:42:44 PM
The Retro Age(1981-1990)
1981
Donkey Kong : This game is the first, and from here spawned all the other Marioverses. It takes place on World Zero, the place where Mario appears as a carpenter and dates Pauline.
1982
Donkey Kong Jr. : A continuation of DK 1. DK Jr first appears here.
1983
Donkey Kong 3: Another continuation of the DK franchise. Jumpman Mario isn't here though.
Mario Bros. : Mario is a plumber here, and works alongside Luigi. This game takes place on World I and serves as a precursor to the SMB series.
1985
Wrecking Crew : Mario is a construction worker here and has a rival in the form of Foreman Spike.
Super Mario Bros. : The first in the SMB series, which are set in World I.
1986
Super Mario Bros. 2 : By SMB 2, I mean the original Japan one. More or less a drect continuation of the first. Bowser disappears for a while after this.
1987
Golf US Course & Golf Japan Course : I think these were Japan-only, but we got NES Golf to compensate. This stars Golfer Mario.
1988
Super Mario Bros. 3 : Set after SMB2J and features the return of Bowser and his Seven Kids.
Return of Mario Bros. : This did not happen directly after the first MB, as some think, but actuall happned after SMB3, as evidenced by the opening cutscene.
1989
Super Mario Land : In this game, Mario saves Daisy from Tatanga. More info on the world it's set in later.
1990
Dr. Mario : Probably the first recognizable glimpse of another Marioverse. This world's Mario is a virus-busting doctor.
Super Mario World: Sequel to SMB3. Mario meets Yoshi here, who also has his share of other-world counterparts
Post by: yoshimastar on November 02, 2006, 05:48:11 PM
Or at least still be in the games because of who he is and what he's done.
Post by: The Chef on November 02, 2006, 08:54:59 PM
The Revolutionary Age(1991-2000)
1991
Mario Open Golf : Golfer Mario returns. This game has a UK course.
Yoshi's Egg : An egg-stacking puzzle game. I can't decide what 'verse to place it in.
1992
Mario Paint : Not really a game. I don't even know if it should be considered canon.
Super Mario Kart : This can be considered the series' first actual crossover, as DK Jr. is playable here. Unless this DK Jr. is different from the one in World Zero.
Super Mario Land 2: : This one establishes that fact that the SML is set in another world where Mario owns his own land and has a rival in the form of Wario.
Yoshi's Cookie : Set in a universe where Mario is a chef at a cookie factory and Yoshi is his assisstant.
1993
Yoshi's Safari : This is probably set after SMW, as the Koopalings have returned, and Yoshi looks raptor-ish.
Mario & Wario : This stars the World I equivalent of Wario, who is villainous like his SML counterpart.
1994
Super Mario Land 3 : A continuation of SML 2 starring the SML Wario.
Wario's Woods : Toad gets lost in Wario's dark woods. Set in World I.
Donkey Kong '94 : An extention of the DK arcade game. Possibly a new universe that sort of combines World Zero and World I, as it has elements from both.
Wario Blast : Wario finds his way into the Bomberman universe. Not sure which Wario it is. He has a penchant for conquering, so it may be the World I Wario. Maybe he never came back.
1995
Mario's Picross : A world where Mario and Wario are archelologists.
Mario's Tennis : A Tennis follow-up to SMK. Same cast and everything.
Yoshi's Island : The beginning of a new universe, where Mario was born in TMK. I shall call it World II.
Mario Clash: Mario drives Bowser's minons out of the Clash House. Apparently set in World I.
VB Wario Land: Wario gets caught in an underground cave full of treasure. He seems more like the current Wario, so maybe this is set in a new universe.
1996
Super Mario RPG : An epic tale full of new characters. Might be set in a universe all it's own, considering the number of differences between it and other games.
Super Mario 64 : Another milestone of a game. Not sure whether it's set in World I or World II, though.
Tetris Attack : Set in a world without Mario. Yoshi defends his tropical home from Bowser.
Mario Kart 64 : This one is most likely a crossover. Wario and DK are in it, but this DK is Rare's version, which I haven't gotten around to examining yet.
1997
Yoshi's Story : This obviously happens after Yoshi's Island but before everything else.
1998
Wrecking Crew '98:The plot of this game supposedly revolves around Bowser asking Foreman Spike to build him a new castle and Mario having to destroy it. Not sure if it should be placed in World I or World II, but it's definitrly not in the same universe as the original WC.Wa
Wario Land II : I consider this a sequel to the VB Wario Land as opposed to SML3, since the Wario is this game is greedy rather that villainous. Plus,
the baddies are called the Black Sugar Gang instead of Brown Sugar Pirates here.
Mario Party : I'd bill this as another big crossover, but the DK here could theoretically be the SMB one instead of the DKC one.
1999
Mario Golf 64: Another crossover. This time Camelot placed a few of their own characters in it.
Mario Golf GB : This is important because it doesn't even center on Mario, it probably even takes place in the Real World. It also gives us a peek at exactly how the universes are connected, which is in the form of rainbow-colored doors that lead to rainbow-colored bridges, possibly the Rainbow Road from MK64.
Mario Party 2 : Sequel to MP1. Maybe this one is set in another universe since it involves all the Mario characters setting up a theme park.
Super Smash Bros. : Although it's technically not a Mario game, I list it here because it seems liek some sort of Crisis on Infinite Earths-type event in which the universes are merged together. However, the multiverse stil seems to exist afterward. I think Melee may have been the real big merger and not this.
2000
Wario Land 3 : Sequel to WLII. I once thought that maybe WLII was set right after SML3 and this one established a new universe, but whatever.
Mario Tennis 64 : A key crossover. First of all, we have Waluigi, who probably only exists in the World II universe, since he doesn't appear in the Wario games, which can be set in their own universe. Second is Daisy, who seems to partnered with Luigi here. She might be a different Daisy than the one in SML1. Last is DK Jr., who appears as DK's son, meaning that the DK in this game is the one from the DK'94 universe.
Paper Mario : I like to think that this exists as a work of fiction in the main Marioverse, but technically can be counted as it's own universe in that regard.
Mario Party 3 : I'm starting to wonder whether or not the MPs should be considered canon or not, since the characters act lot more firendly to one another than they do in the other games.
Post by: Toad on November 03, 2006, 11:50:10 AM
With the exception of Yoshi's Island, the games could have just happened in the order they came out in. Tetris Attack doesn't happen in a universe where there is no Mario, he just wasn't present there when Bowser attacked YI and the Yoshies defended it.
Mario has been (in order of game relase) a carpenter, a construction worker, a plumber, a doctor, and he golfs, races karts, and parties in his free time.
Post by: The Chef on November 03, 2006, 02:59:38 PM
The Modern Age(2001-present)
2001
Dr. Mario 64 : This one confuzzles me. Doc is the star, but the rest of the cast is made up of characters in WL3. What universe is it in?
Mario Kart Advance : Another one of those speshal crossovers.
Wario Land 4 : I'm pretty sure this is a direct follow-up to WL3, but signs point to it being set in the universe I was planning to place WarioWare in.
Luigi' Mansion : This one is kinda ambiguous. I guess you could say it's in World II, since that's the main series at this point, but it doesn't explain why the Gallery Ghosts are human or whether or not Bowser was truly dead before the events of this game.
Super Smash Bros. Melee : Now this is important. This seems to be the really big crossover that merges all the universes together, and not just the Mario-related ones. Heck, I think some of them may have been destroyed.
2002
Super Mario Sunshine : Next game in the series. Bowser Jr. makes his grand debut.
Mario Party 4 : I think you now what to expect from one of these by now.
2003
Wario World : Another Wario game in the Warioverse which takes place after WL3.
WarioWare Inc. : I believe this one establishes another Warioverse. It's vastly different from any other Wario game.
Mario Golf TT : This one is intriguing as Diddy Kong appears as a playable character. However, since this was released after Melee, it could be said that all of the different DK storylines were merged into one, justifiying his appearance in the Mario verse rather than the DKCverse.
Mario Party 5 : The Star Spirits as well as a bunch of other characters who only appear in certain universes show up here, only it doesn't necessarily have to be a crossover due to the events of Melee.
Mario Kart DD : This may seem like the oddest place to mention this, but perhaps the multiverse still existed after Melee, as evidenced by WarioWare. It just got downsized a little bit. Maybe Brawl will fix that. ;)
Mario & Luigi : I'm having a bit of trouble deciding whether this is in the main universe or in a new universe because of things like the Koopalings. Then again, it could be argued that Melee caused them and Bowser Jr. to be able to coexist. Either that or Cackletta knows some trans-dimentional magic.
2004
Mario Golf AT : Another one of those games set in the "Real World". Or at least an alternate version of it as depicted by Camelot.
Mario vs. DK : Had the events of Melee not happened, I'd have placed this game after DK '94 in it's own universe. But since the Melee incident, DK's origins seem to have been combined. Or maybe not.
Paper Mario : Apparently the PM universe still exists, unless this happened in the main universe.
Mario Pinball Land : This one seems like it happened right after SMS, so I'll go with that.
WarioWare Twisted : A follow-up to the last one. You may notice I'm going by the Japan release dates rather than the USA ones.
Mario Power Tennis : An interesting thing about this is the appearence of "Ware" Wario in Wario's court. This sorta contradicts all the other stuff in here that hints toward there being a multiverse. Maybe WW isn't set in it's own universe after all.
Mario Party 6 : This games talks about some sort of "Mario Party World". Maybe that's the place where these are set.
WarioWare Touched : Next in the WW line-up. I guess the sign in MPT could be counted as not having been there, but tha takes the fun out of it.
Yoshi Topsy-Turvy : This one hints that the TA universe still exists, as it looks like YI but Bowser is an adult. Plus, there's a bunch of characters that don't appear anywhere else.
2005
Mario Party Advance : This game was crap, but it's still the next in the Party line. (Heh, I made a funny.)
Yoshi Touch & Go : This takes place during the events of YI. Nothing sepesil other than the fact that World I and World II may have been merged together after Melee.
DDR Mario Mix : As odd of a genre choice it masy be, it still counts. What I find odd is that Peach and Yoshi are nowhere to be found.
Mario Superstar Baseball : This one points to there not being a merger after Melee. since it makes reference to Wario owning his own company and DK having an ancestor who wore no tie. If there were no merger, this would be considered a crossover. Actually, I have a way to explain thing for every game after Melee in the case of it not merging the worlds. Maybe the worlds that were destroyed were somehow brought back.
Mario Tennis PT : Next in the series of games in Camelot's "Real World".
Super Princess Peach : Easily set in the main series. Almost had the Koopalings in it. Thank the lord they didn't make it or I'd be stuck (unless I used my Melee theory).
Mario Party 7 : This one appears to be centered around alternate versions of places in the Real World. I can't think of a way to explain this...
Mario Kart DS : Another Karting game. Really awesome at that. Happens to contain references to World I stuff, which would cause me to call this a crossover if my idea about Melee was somehow disproved.
Super Mario Strikers : Some would say that the characters don't really act like themeselves in this game. Perhaps we have another new universe on our hands.
Mario Kart Arcade GP : Now this one has to be a crossover. Pac-Man is in it.
Mario & Luigi 2 : Gives us a look at World II Mario's past, probably the only legit varation of it if my Melee theory holds true. If it's not the past, it's another universe where all the characters are younger.
2006
New Super Mario Bros. : Ah, the return to the glory days of World I. BJ is here, so it can be set in World II, or the "New World" that was created after Melee.
Mario Hoops 3-on-3 : Apparantly a Mario-FF crossover, with basketball.
And that's it for games lists. Keep in mind that there's still new games coming out, so I'll have to add them after I play them (Yes, I have played all the games on this list, save for the ones only available in Japan).
Post by: yoshimastar on November 05, 2006, 12:00:19 PM
Post by: The Chef on November 05, 2006, 12:25:10 PM
Post by: Toad on November 05, 2006, 05:50:43 PM
Mario Party 7 : This one appears to be centered around alternate versions of places in the Real World. I can't think of a way to explain this...
Here's a way to explain it: Maybe those areas are the Mushroom Kingdom's equivilant to the places in the real world that they are based off of. Mario and Luigi could have explained (in great detail) to somebody about these places, and then the Kingdomers liked it so much that they started building/living in these areas.
Post by: The Chef on November 06, 2006, 03:11:08 PM
Post by: spamspamspamspam on November 07, 2006, 03:42:37 PM
Post by: The Chef on November 07, 2006, 07:33:02 PM
Post by: Toad on November 07, 2006, 07:46:57 PM
I just realized that Toad's theory is flawed because MP7 is post-Melee, so Mario was born in the Mushroom Kingdom instead of the "Real World".
The Mario Bros were born in the MK, but they were sent to live in the real world for a while.. alot can/could have happened in between the time they were babies and returning to the Mushroom Kingdom 20 years later. Perhaps they got to study abroad, and that's how they got to visit each of those places (I realise some of those places are in the USA..)
Post by: The Chef on November 07, 2006, 07:56:27 PM
Post by: Kojinka on November 08, 2006, 04:00:09 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on November 15, 2006, 06:49:34 PM
Post by: Kojinka on November 16, 2006, 04:35:11 PM
Post by: The Chef on November 16, 2006, 05:03:57 PM
-The one that was largely made up of classic games, where Bowser had the Koopalings, the Mario Bros. came from Brooklyn, Yoshi's are animalistic, Bowser's minions are really dumb, Mario got his hands on a castle, and Wario was an evil villain
-The one where all the newer games are placed, where Mario and Luigi were born in the Mushroom Kingdom, Bowser has only one son, most creatures possess human intellegence, Mario is always living in a house, and Wario is a greedy slob (and has a brother).
Get it? That's how I wanted to explain all the differences.
Also, minor titles which would ordinarily be deemed "non-canon" by some due to all the inconsistencies and whatno would be considered multiversal crossovers.
Then I got the idea to separate games where Mario takes on a completely different role into universes of their own. I started with Dr. Mario, then moved on to things like Yoshi's Cookie.
One last thing I aimed to rectify was Rare's portayal of DK, but I haven't gotten around to that. I was thinking that the "old" universe would have the "classic" style DK, along with DK Jr., while the "new" universe would have Rare's DK, along with other DKC characters. However, there's still the matter of Cranky...
Post by: frostbite on November 18, 2006, 03:58:09 PM
Post by: The Chef on November 18, 2006, 08:02:27 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on November 19, 2006, 06:07:51 PM
Post by: The Chef on November 20, 2006, 04:01:03 PM
Post by: Kojinka on November 20, 2006, 07:48:18 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on November 20, 2006, 11:03:20 PM
Plus the comic book multiple universe thing is way overused.
Post by: The Chef on November 21, 2006, 05:08:25 PM
Post by: Fwirt on November 21, 2006, 07:02:44 PM
Here's my theory....
The entire universe where Mario co-exists with the Earth is non-canon, since Nintendo never specified WHERE the Mushroom World is. The Mushroom World exists in a universe (not parallel mind you) where the Mushroom World IS our Earth. Brooklyn does not exist, but if I am correct, Nintendo never said Mario was from Brooklyn, it was third-party companies that did. All humans are "born" via storks, which is confirmed further with the onset of Yoshi's Island 2, with Peach coming form the stork. Mario & Luigi were raised by a small colony of humans living in an obscure location in the Mushroom World. In fact, one might even theorize that ALL real world objects were carried by the storks. We do not exist in Mario's world.
This, however, contrasts stories in manuals of other Nintendo games, eg. Starfox, Metroid, F-Zero, etc, which state that they take place in our universe, in a different time or location. Starfox is from the center of our galaxy, F-Zero and Metroid are from the future.
Super Smash Brothers is a clash of trophies, brought to life by a child's imagination. In BOTH games. (although in the first game it was dolls)
Although I think we all agree it would be cool if the Mario universe co-existed with ours, I think we can safely say it doesn't so get over it.
.....So sums up my theory.
I think about this way too much. :D
AND GET OVER IT PEOPLE IT'S A GAME!!!!!
:)
Post by: The Chef on November 21, 2006, 09:27:41 PM
Personally, I find the whole "Alternate Universes" thing a bit immature. (no offense) True, there could be such universes, but I find it illogical to think that one would be comprised of works of fiction. Secondly as to yoshi mastar's thoery of Mario telling Miyamoto, even with the technology that some various places in the Musroom Kingdom, heck, World have (eg. X-Nauts, Smithy, etc. ) I have never seen anyone in Mario's universe come up with anything more advanced than a time machine (and I consider that non-canon.)
Well, I never siad anything about it being connected to out universe. I Just thought that the Mario games themsleves had a bunch of different universe within them.
Here's my theory....
The entire universe where Mario co-exists with the Earth is non-canon, since Nintendo never specified WHERE the Mushroom World is. The Mushroom World exists in a universe (not parallel mind you) where the Mushroom World IS our Earth.
I wouldn't start calling things like that non-canon. There was never an official canon to begin with. Also, I was thinking the same thing about there being a "Mushroom Earth".
Brooklyn does not exist, but if I am correct, Nintendo never said Mario was from Brooklyn, it was third-party companies that did.
What third party companies? It said that in the SMB intructions. The idea was proposed by Nintendo of America.
All humans are "born" via storks, which is confirmed further with the onset of Yoshi's Island 2, with Peach coming form the stork. Mario & Luigi were raised by a small colony of humans living in an obscure location in the Mushroom World.
We've kinda already established this.
In fact, one might even theorize that ALL real world objects were carried by the storks.
What's that supposed to mean?
We do not exist in Mario's world.
Of course we don't. It's fictional.
This, however, contrasts stories in manuals of other Nintendo games, eg. Starfox, Metroid, F-Zero, etc, which state that they take place in our universe, in a different time or location. Starfox is from the center of our galaxy, F-Zero and Metroid are from the future.
I don't even know why you're bringing that in here. Nobody ever mentioned anything about the Mario games having to do with any other Nintendo games.
Super Smash Brothers is a clash of trophies, brought to life by a child's imagination. In BOTH games. (although in the first game it was dolls)
Who said? SSB doesn't have an official story. You can interpret it however you want.
Although I think we all agree it would be cool if the Mario universe co-existed with ours, I think we can safely say it doesn't so get over it.
Let me reimnd you that the only one who even proposed that idea was YoshiMastar.
.....So sums up my theory.
I think about this way too much. :D
AND GET OVER IT PEOPLE IT'S A GAME!!!!!
It specifically states in the beginning of the thread not to say that.
:)
Post by: spamspamspamspam on November 22, 2006, 07:02:58 AM
Post by: The Chef on November 22, 2006, 03:45:02 PM
Post by: Fwirt on November 23, 2006, 01:37:24 AM
Anyway, I don't have the SMB manual so it was just an educated guess....
Sorry. :)
Post by: The Chef on November 23, 2006, 09:36:48 AM
Post by: Fwirt on November 23, 2006, 04:53:01 PM
Anyway, now that I'm done apologizing (bleh) I want to say that I like your DK idea, Chef, but I do disagree a bit. I think that Rare's portrayal of DK is like the son (or grandson) of Cranky, so the tie in to another universe is unnecessary. Cranky is the "old" DK. That's my understanding anyway...
Post by: The Chef on November 23, 2006, 09:11:01 PM
Post by: Kojinka on November 25, 2006, 10:51:50 AM
Post by: MaxVance on November 25, 2006, 10:56:48 AM
Post by: Kojinka on November 25, 2006, 12:49:33 PM
Post by: MaxVance on November 25, 2006, 02:36:42 PM
Post by: Kojinka on November 25, 2006, 04:14:12 PM
Post by: Fwirt on November 25, 2006, 10:33:54 PM
Post by: MaxVance on November 25, 2006, 10:38:23 PM
I place Partners in Time is in the main timeline.Yes, but I wasn't talking about that. I was referring to
I see the spinoffs taking place outside the main timelinesince you were suggesting that the time machine was used in the situation described in The Chef's post about DK.
Post by: The Chef on November 26, 2006, 12:59:55 PM
Post by: Kojinka on November 26, 2006, 05:32:38 PM
Yes, but I wasn't talking about that. I was referring to since you were suggesting that the time machine was used in the situation described in The Chef's post about DK.That doesn't really mean he never invented it
Post by: Wumbo on November 30, 2006, 03:21:39 PM
I mean in Partners in Time, the ages of baby version of the Bros, Bowser, and Peach were like this:
Mario and Luigi: 2-3 years old
Bowser: At least 6 since he spoke in complete setences
Peach: Less than 10 months since she never walked.
Now in Yoshi Island's II, it basically says the 6 of the main 8 are practically the same age. I know Mario doesn't nessacry has a canon but c'mon, draw the line somewhere.
Now that I think about it, is present-day Yoshi the same Yoshi that helped Baby Mario all those years ago? I'm leaning towards no but I would like to hear more opinions.
Post by: yoshimastar on November 30, 2006, 04:38:51 PM
Post by: The Chef on November 30, 2006, 05:43:25 PM
In my multiverse theory, the old-school universe Mario did not meet that universe's Yoshi until the events of SMW, while the modern universe Yoshi is what I said above. After Melee, Yoshi is mostly like his modern universe self, albeit with some of the old-school universe Yoshi's abilities.
Post by: Wumbo on November 30, 2006, 08:03:06 PM
It says he's the same Yoshi in the Mario Party 2 instruction manual.
While it says that, their personalites don't seem to match. Yoshi Island Yoshi seemed to act like an adult. Present-day Yoshi, at least to me, still seems to have a childish personality
Post by: yoshimastar on December 01, 2006, 04:12:02 PM
How could you tell their personality from Yoshi's Island?
Post by: Eclipsed Moon on December 01, 2006, 04:20:21 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on December 07, 2006, 05:09:41 PM
Post by: Eclipsed Moon on December 07, 2006, 06:23:57 PM
Post by: CrossEyed7 on December 07, 2006, 06:31:47 PM
I mean in Partners in Time, the ages of baby version of the Bros, Bowser, and Peach were like this:
Mario and Luigi: 2-3 years old
Bowser: At least 6 since he spoke in complete setences
Peach: Less than 10 months since she never walked.
I think Mario and Luigi were probably older than that, to make their strength a little more plausible. They didn't talk because they're RPG silent protagonists. And maybe Koopas mature sooner.
Post by: Robert on December 07, 2006, 09:04:29 PM
Also, perhaps "Soundly defeated" doesn't necessarily mean killed; maybe Mario knocked Bowser into a temporary coma or maybe Bowser broke an arm or something.
What do you guys think on the subject?
Post by: Toad on December 07, 2006, 09:16:18 PM
It is a well known fact that Boos themselves aren't very good fighters, and just cover their faces and blush when someone is looking at them (outside of the RPG games, anyway).
I think that LM is reffering to a time when people thought Bowser was down for the count (just like Robert said above).
Post by: Chupperson Weird on December 07, 2006, 11:21:23 PM
Post by: Robert on December 08, 2006, 06:42:15 AM
The Mario games happen in the order they come out. Exceptions: Yoshi's Island, Yoshi's Island DS
In that case, what did Madame Clairvoya mean by "Soundly Defeated"? Was Bowser really killed by Mario?
Post by: Kojinka on December 08, 2006, 08:09:12 AM
Post by: Ultima Shadow on December 08, 2006, 06:59:16 PM
Hey, it could happen... it just sprung to my mind just then.
Post by: yoshimastar on December 10, 2006, 08:10:52 PM
And yah know, there's no reason why Madame C. should tell the truth anyway. Especially since Luigi's getting rid of them all.
Post by: Wumbo on December 11, 2006, 07:50:49 AM
Bowser......ehh? *splat*
Post by: Ultima Shadow on December 11, 2006, 04:04:28 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on December 11, 2006, 05:57:54 PM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on December 11, 2006, 08:16:37 PM
Post by: Ultima Shadow on December 11, 2006, 08:49:04 PM
Post by: Robert on December 11, 2006, 08:57:01 PM
...Um... posterior protection?
Post by: yoshimastar on December 12, 2006, 05:10:30 PM
And the ships where made of wood.
And Bowser could have used magic.
Post by: The Chef on December 13, 2006, 05:57:18 PM
Post by: Wumbo on December 14, 2006, 12:47:27 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on December 14, 2006, 05:12:10 PM
Post by: The Chef on December 14, 2006, 07:52:45 PM
Post by: Toad on December 14, 2006, 08:01:17 PM
Or they just heal wounds extremly fast and wake you up if you've been knocked out. Bowser couldn't have survived being dumped in lava unless he was holding a 1-up mushroom the whole fight, and even then he would have to get out of the lava.
Not neccissarily true.. When Mario or Luigi dies in any of the SMB games, they don't start out in the pit that they died in.
Post by: yoshimastar on December 16, 2006, 10:59:22 AM
And how would they drag out Bowser from the lava!?
It's lava! And like, 250 gigantic bones!
Post by: The Chef on December 16, 2006, 05:16:34 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on December 16, 2006, 11:02:56 PM
Post by: MaxVance on December 16, 2006, 11:54:02 PM
Well, how did they get Bowser's dead carcass out of the lava in NSMB then?Perhaps Bowser Jr. drained the lava.
Post by: NintendoExpert89 on December 17, 2006, 07:47:57 AM
Post by: The Chef on December 17, 2006, 08:03:02 AM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on December 17, 2006, 11:27:26 AM
Mario gets a Game Over when he is no longer able to reverse time and dies, permanently.What about continues?
Post by: Robert on December 17, 2006, 01:46:34 PM
What about continues?
I guess the continues are non-canon elements added to the games just so the player can try again, but they don't exsist in the actual storyline (meaning when Mario dies in the game and has no 1-ups, he really dies in the story). Nintendo would never make a game where when your character dies, you can't play the game ever again.
Post by: yoshimastar on December 17, 2006, 07:09:24 PM
Unlimited breath underwater
Unlimited bullet bills, spinys ( Lakitus ), and hammers ( Hammer Bros. )
Non fatal explosions
10 foot jumps
50 foot landings
Carrying tons of objects at once
Sword moves that don't cut through charecters ( not Mario but meh )
Falling off the screen
The concept of 1-UPs
Enemies bodies disappearing after you kill/knock them out
The audience in most PM2 battles
Death because the timer ran out
Bottomless pits
Game overs
Saving
The concept of Badge Points
The "goals" at the ends of levels
Enemies respawning
Ghosts can be hit (boos)
Virtualy everything is alive
Being killed several times and come back to life due to a number of lives.
In the RPG's:
Not being able to climb or move around barriers or obsticles
The RPG fighting pattern
The action command
Some of the badges ( Hammer throw, Double Dip )
Star Points
Flower points
HP ( hit with massive attack but can still fight like nothing happened? )
Only one partner fighting at a time
Post by: Chupperson Weird on December 18, 2006, 12:03:22 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on December 18, 2006, 12:32:17 PM
Post by: Lizard Dude on December 18, 2006, 01:35:01 PM
Post by: The Chef on December 18, 2006, 03:38:52 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on December 18, 2006, 07:11:14 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on December 23, 2006, 11:57:57 AM
Yes I know double post
Post by: silverstarman on December 26, 2006, 01:23:37 PM
Post by: The Chef on December 26, 2006, 03:59:57 PM
Post by: BP on December 29, 2006, 02:46:23 AM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on December 29, 2006, 12:04:45 PM
Anyway, more games (like M&LSS) are giving you way out of context information.
Post by: The Chef on December 29, 2006, 03:43:10 PM
Post by: Toad on December 30, 2006, 01:34:11 PM
Mario hits one of the boxes and a bunch of little Mario's (extra lives?) pops out and distracts the Koopa Kids long enough for Mario and Luigi to escape.
Post by: Kojinka on December 31, 2006, 06:15:43 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on December 31, 2006, 10:21:52 PM
So 1-ups do or do not exist?
Post by: Drew_the_gamer on January 01, 2007, 10:12:00 AM
There are no humans anywhere else in the mario-verse except mushroom kingdom until M & L come in.
Delfino Island, none.
Yoshi's Island, none.
Beanbean Kingdom, none.
It could have started with humans, but others adapted to the conditions around them.
And I don't mean like humans ==> goombas, because goombas could be like our animals.
I mean like humans could've evolved into nokis and piantas and toads and stuff.
Post by: Robert on January 01, 2007, 05:41:10 PM
Decades later, when Mario and Luigi came to the Mushroom World via warp pipe, Mario discovered the danger that the human race was in, so opened up Mario World (which is from SML2), an island out on the sea, one where no poachers would find, as a Human haven where the human race could finally live at peace
That's just my theory.
Post by: The Chef on January 01, 2007, 08:05:01 PM
My theory is that all the humans currently on Mushroom Earth descended directly from people from our Earth. Humans might have discovered a portal there many years ago (probably the same kind of portal from Mario Golf GB) and the Mushroom People saw them as superior to them (being taller and having noses, for example). That, and any humans that do live on Mushroom Earth usually have superhuman abilities.
Also, I had an idea for an origin story for Peach, in which her mother came from out Earth and her father was a Mushroom Person. Somehow King Toadstool fell in love with this lady and decided to make her his queen. Then they discovered they they couldn't breed, so they wished for a child and the Star Spirits granted them a oversized peach. The princess was born from this peach, hence the name. Yes, I kind of ripped off Momotaro, but a lot of things in the Mario series are based on fairy tales and mythology.
Post by: spamspamspamspam on January 02, 2007, 04:11:32 PM
But here's a more plausible mariology theory. I once thought that goombas weren't really working for Bowser but just wild creatures wanting to attack Mario. I stopped thinking this because a) they have referenced they are led by Bowser in a couple of games, and b) considering they talk I think they're smarter than that. So I gave it more thought and wondered whether or not the Goombas might be mercenaries in the Koopa Troop as they seem to have no other relation. I wanted to know what you thought.
Post by: The Chef on January 02, 2007, 04:15:48 PM
I also don't think the Goombas are as weak as people make them out to be. One needs to remember that Mario is super-strong. Maybe the Goombas can only be crushed by someone strong enough. After all, Goombario's head was supposedly as hard as a rock. They also have those sharp teeth, which would probably be painful to get bitten by. Lastly, you have to think of a Goomba's relative size. Mario is pretty short and a Goomba is about the same size as him when he's Small Mario, so how big is a Goomba compared to the average human?
Post by: SushieBoy on January 02, 2007, 04:30:55 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on January 02, 2007, 06:19:44 PM
Post by: Robert on January 03, 2007, 10:24:46 AM
Hmm, that's a good idea Robert. Bowser's dad could have used humans as slaves since Mushroom people don't seem to have our abilities. And he would use more Koopas for war instead of labor. But if news of a haven would have spread across the globe, the poachers would have found out.
Not slaves, but commodities. Also, I suppose Mario would have built high, thick walls so that intruders couldn't penetrate. Plus, the people of Mario land have Mario on their side, so they don't have to worry about a thing. Thanks for the compliment, though!
Post by: yoshimastar on January 03, 2007, 11:27:56 AM
Post by: Kojinka on January 03, 2007, 01:07:43 PM
And what do you mean commodities?Dontcha get it? Bowser used his devolving ray on the poached humans to expand his troops! Each Goomba that Mario has squished may have been human at one time! O.O
Post by: yoshimastar on January 03, 2007, 02:11:34 PM
If not it ain't canon.
EVER!
Post by: The Chef on January 03, 2007, 02:12:51 PM
You guys must also have not seen my post, because there's no evidence for there being humans in Mario Land, or any large amount of them on Mushroom Earth, meaning that the ones who are there might've come directly from our Earth, or descended from someone from our Earth.
Post by: SushieBoy on January 03, 2007, 02:24:51 PM
Post by: Robert on January 03, 2007, 02:25:44 PM
And what do you mean commodities?
I meant that just like elephants have their ivory, humans had some sort of valuable commodity that they were born with that Morton Sr. wanted so badly, he was willing to kill the entire human population of the Mushroom World to get it.
Post by: The Chef on January 03, 2007, 02:28:48 PM
You know, I think this topic can sometimes rip a hole in the universe, now whe have a Mushroom Earth!
That's the name I use to refer to Mario's world. I think it was coined in this thread before I became a member.
Post by: Kojinka on January 03, 2007, 05:20:20 PM
Post by: Robert on January 04, 2007, 11:30:45 AM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on January 04, 2007, 12:37:47 PM
With games like Yoshi's Island DS, I pretty much doubt that Mario ever lived in "our" Earth. I guess Miyamoto said the arcade games take place in Brooklyn. But still.
Post by: yoshimastar on January 04, 2007, 05:19:58 PM
And Mario was called "the visitor from Brooklyn" in the SM64 guides intro.
Post by: The Chef on January 04, 2007, 07:05:56 PM
Post by: Eclipsed Moon on January 04, 2007, 07:11:20 PM
Post by: The Chef on January 04, 2007, 07:22:58 PM
Post by: NintendoExpert89 on January 04, 2007, 11:35:19 PM
And Mario was called "the visitor from Brooklyn" in the SM64 guides intro.
The "background information" given in most game guides is not reliable. It's just there for reading pleasures.
Post by: Nikkolas on January 05, 2007, 10:57:14 AM
P.S.
Can anyone tell me where I can find the button for startin ga new topic? I can't find it. :_:
Post by: MaxVance on January 05, 2007, 11:36:05 AM
Quote from: Deezer
New members will only be able to reply to topics. With proper conduct, they will eventually earn the ability to post their own topics.
Post by: Chupperson Weird on January 05, 2007, 12:34:26 PM
The "background information" given in most game guides is not reliable. It's just there for reading pleasures.And sometimes it's considered canon, like the stuff in the Star Fox 64 guide.
There isn't much of a Mario canon, though.
Post by: Nikkolas on January 05, 2007, 01:00:57 PM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on January 05, 2007, 03:03:46 PM
Post by: The Chef on January 05, 2007, 03:50:05 PM
Post by: Lizard Dude on January 05, 2007, 03:51:41 PM
It also said that he was from Brooklyn in the SMB instructions
WRONG
Post by: The Chef on January 05, 2007, 03:55:47 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on January 06, 2007, 11:56:38 AM
Post by: NintendoExpert89 on January 06, 2007, 12:22:42 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on January 06, 2007, 01:14:24 PM
Post by: The Chef on January 06, 2007, 02:33:38 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on January 06, 2007, 10:09:16 PM
Post by: SushieBoy on January 06, 2007, 11:48:07 PM
Post by: Kojinka on January 07, 2007, 10:20:14 AM
Post by: The Chef on January 07, 2007, 11:25:59 AM
Which is of course physically impossible unless he's aided by borderline supernatural powers and many of them.
My guess is that humans in the Mushroom Kingdom usually have superpowers, such as Peach's healing abilities and Wario's extreme physical strength.
Post by: SushieBoy on January 07, 2007, 05:22:00 PM
Post by: Wumbo on January 08, 2007, 02:47:04 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on January 08, 2007, 05:45:51 PM
And it's not a guess because when Mario gets 120 stars he can do that huge spin jump. And the stars are like supernatural magic, hence, power stars.
Post by: BP on January 09, 2007, 01:48:07 AM
Post by: Toad on January 09, 2007, 05:38:41 PM
Yoshi can eat virtually every enemy in the game with little/no problem, right? Well, how is it that he can't swallow Koopa shells (regular and Masked-Kooopa) but he can swallow enemies that have fire-proof shells (Buzzy Beetles, Spinies, Spiketops) with no problem at all, even though they are shelled creatures?
My theory is that there is something about the fireproofness that makes them easier for Yoshi to digest.
Post by: The Chef on January 09, 2007, 07:47:29 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on January 10, 2007, 10:12:17 AM
Post by: Dupli-Ghost on January 10, 2007, 11:58:53 AM
Mushroom Aliens came down and attacked the 'Shroom Kingdom, the Soldiers weren't strong enough to defeat the Aliens. The humans evacuated the planet and left Mario, Luigi, Wario, Waluigi, Peach, and Daisy to be raised by the Toads.
Reply if you have better story!
Post by: yoshimastar on January 10, 2007, 04:24:53 PM
Why would you leave children in a place that's getting invaded...
And then leave the kids...?
Post by: Kojinka on January 10, 2007, 04:26:04 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on January 18, 2007, 06:12:28 PM
In SMB, SMB2, SMB3, SMW, M64, ah geez every game, they've all been smiling and stationary. The face can just be an in-game thing cause almost everything has a face or eyes. They might be related to Lakitu's cloud.
They cannot support his weight if the clouds are more dense, that would only make water. Some could be made magically but others are in remote areas.
Thoughts?
Post by: The Chef on January 18, 2007, 07:13:46 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on January 18, 2007, 07:14:17 PM
Remember that some of them can move and wisp like real clouds.
Post by: The Chef on January 18, 2007, 07:16:12 PM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on January 18, 2007, 07:52:54 PM
Post by: CrossEyed7 on January 18, 2007, 08:24:50 PM
Post by: Wumbo on January 19, 2007, 01:45:07 PM
Post by: The Chef on January 19, 2007, 03:31:15 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on January 19, 2007, 04:32:37 PM
Post by: BP on January 20, 2007, 02:46:59 AM
Post by: yoshimastar on January 20, 2007, 12:05:07 PM
Post by: Suffix on January 20, 2007, 12:32:46 PM
Post by: The Chef on January 20, 2007, 02:44:26 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on January 20, 2007, 06:07:50 PM
And don't pull that lame excuse that since it's the marioverse and magical it doesn't make sense.
Post by: The Chef on January 20, 2007, 08:09:53 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on January 23, 2007, 03:59:25 PM
Post by: CoconutMikeNIke on January 23, 2007, 04:12:25 PM
Post by: Fwirt on January 23, 2007, 04:29:36 PM
Post by: Suffix on January 23, 2007, 06:37:16 PM
Post by: CrossEyed7 on January 23, 2007, 10:55:17 PM
Post by: spamspamspamspam on January 24, 2007, 04:51:49 PM
Post by: Fwirt on January 24, 2007, 04:52:05 PM
(I can't believe we're talking about this either.)
Why don't Mario's overalls ever get dirty if he's a plumber?
Post by: yoshimastar on January 24, 2007, 05:41:45 PM
Actually, the clouds are probably organisms because they have eyes. So do the hills though... The Hills Have Eyes... wasn't that the name of a horror movie?
(I can't believe we're talking about this either.)
Why don't Mario's overalls ever get dirty if he's a plumber?
Yes.
Then leave.
Programmers are lazy.
Think the Puff species really eat anything? Mabey they just drink water...
Post by: The Chef on January 24, 2007, 06:08:00 PM
Post by: Fwirt on January 25, 2007, 04:49:41 PM
Post by: The Chef on January 25, 2007, 05:37:21 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on January 25, 2007, 05:43:04 PM
Huff N Puff never said they're made of marshmallows.
But more improtantly marshmallows don't fly.
Post by: Kojinka on January 25, 2007, 07:00:32 PM
Why don't Mario's overalls ever get dirty if he's a plumber?If you were a princess trapped in a castle, would you wanna be swept off your feet by a guy covered in crap?
If I was desperate, maybe...
Post by: The Chef on January 26, 2007, 09:56:01 AM
Nimbus people? Something along those lines...
Huff N Puff never said they're made of marshmallows.
But more improtantly marshmallows don't fly.
Then they must taste pretty freakin' good. Because the Yoshi kids tried to them in the ending parade.
Post by: SushieBoy on January 26, 2007, 04:42:41 PM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on January 26, 2007, 06:48:13 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on January 27, 2007, 12:20:20 PM
Post by: SushieBoy on January 27, 2007, 12:23:22 PM
Post by: BP on January 27, 2007, 04:43:41 PM
Post by: Toad on January 27, 2007, 06:28:51 PM
But more improtantly marshmallows don't fly.
Kirby?
Post by: Fwirt on January 28, 2007, 01:15:01 AM
Post by: yoshimastar on January 29, 2007, 05:47:55 PM
Post by: Toad on January 30, 2007, 04:08:20 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on January 30, 2007, 05:11:14 PM
Post by: SushieBoy on January 30, 2007, 05:23:49 PM
Post by: The Chef on January 30, 2007, 07:39:33 PM
Post by: Suffix on January 31, 2007, 06:15:56 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on January 31, 2007, 11:07:15 PM
Post by: BP on February 01, 2007, 01:08:09 AM
Post by: Fwirt on February 01, 2007, 01:20:15 AM
Post by: The Chef on February 01, 2007, 03:09:21 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on February 01, 2007, 04:21:07 PM
Sigh. You think about these imaginary physics way too much to possibly enjoy the game.
Well actually, I collect the games sprites, so I appreciate the complexity of the games scenery.
And since I think about these things I geuss it means I'm a bigger Mario fan than most others, eh?
Yes the objects in the Mushroom World seem alive. So how is it possible?
Ah %$@& it I'm just going with the cloud creatures really just being cloud shapped outside and filled with air and organs inside.
Post by: Chupperson Weird on February 01, 2007, 05:28:09 PM
Post by: CrossEyed7 on February 02, 2007, 01:46:57 PM
Post by: Toad on February 02, 2007, 04:42:32 PM
That theory made little sense to me, as there were already ghosts that were clearly Shyguys (or had been Shyguys) roaming about (in Luigi's Mansion and Yoshi's Island).
Maybe the Boos are just the projections of evil magic, very much how Redeads (Zelda) are animated magic.
Here's a Shyguy related question: What's behind a Shyguys' mask?
Post by: The Chef on February 02, 2007, 05:11:27 PM
As for the thing about the Shyguy masks, well, some things are best left unknown.
Post by: Robert on February 02, 2007, 05:27:22 PM
Here's a Shyguy related question: What's behind a Shyguys' mask?
Here's a theory: Shyguys are actually Goombas from Subcon in disguise. Why are they in disguise? Well maybe they were just Wart's troops and their garments are mandatory to wear for Wart's troops as a sign of allegiance to Wart's army; a uniform of sorts. The Shyguys from YI were sent to the mushroom kingdom on a special mission- possibly to conquer the land.
Perhaps the mask is actually their face. That would explain why Luigi was so surprised at the sight of an unmasked Shyguy at the end of Mario tennis.
Post by: The Chef on February 02, 2007, 05:56:12 PM
I think it conceals something unfit for mortal eyes.
Post by: SushieBoy on February 02, 2007, 06:12:09 PM
Post by: Toad on February 02, 2007, 06:46:31 PM
I think it conceals something unfit for mortal eyes.
So Luigi is immortal, then? :p
Post by: Robert on February 02, 2007, 06:54:17 PM
The only problem with the Goomba thing is that fact that Shy Guys have visible arms, and their behavior is different from that of a Goomba.
Perhaps the Goombas from Subcon are an entirely different sub-species of Goomba native to Subcon (Or maybe the Goombas are the sub-species) with arms and different behaviors?
Post by: yoshimastar on February 02, 2007, 08:29:40 PM
Post by: Fwirt on February 02, 2007, 11:16:15 PM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on February 02, 2007, 11:44:24 PM
Post by: Wumbo on February 03, 2007, 09:58:04 AM
In Luigi's Mansion, vaccumming off the mask of a ghost shy guy will reveal a dark face with scary eyes or something, but I'm not sure about the real thing.
That's just a cartoon thing usually. But are there any female Shy Guys. LOL Shy Girls
Post by: The Chef on February 03, 2007, 12:12:32 PM
Post by: spamspamspamspam on February 03, 2007, 12:37:14 PM
Maybe Shy-Guys are a reclusive cult of Toads.
That's sounds likely to me.
Post by: The Chef on February 03, 2007, 04:44:10 PM
See, the idea of Mariology as I see it is to take what's there and make sense of it, not just make stuff up or pretend things didn't happen. What I'm trying to say here is that there's no concrete proof AT ALL of Shy Guys being another species. They are their own species, and that's it.
Post by: CoconutMikeNIke on February 03, 2007, 09:37:41 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on February 03, 2007, 09:48:46 PM
Now we're venturing into fan**** territory.
Maybe, even, it was a Toad that was banished from a clan, and forced to wear a mask to hide his shame. Others may have joined him for whatever reason, and they began their own group, all wearing masks in memory of that first banished Toad. Outsiders not knowing why they wear their masks may have thought it was due to shyness, and dubbed the species Shy Guys, as their gender is difficult, if not impossible, to distinguish. Over time, with different living situations and diets, evolved to their body structure that they have now.
Fan. Fic.
Post by: The Chef on February 03, 2007, 10:04:38 PM
Post by: Suffix on February 04, 2007, 01:40:09 AM
Post by: The Chef on February 04, 2007, 11:51:15 AM
Post by: Kirby (cheat wizard) on February 07, 2007, 04:20:01 AM
Post by: yoshimastar on February 07, 2007, 11:46:05 AM
Post by: The Chef on February 07, 2007, 04:49:48 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on February 13, 2007, 03:50:01 PM
Post by: The Chef on February 13, 2007, 04:02:56 PM
Post by: Kojinka on February 13, 2007, 06:43:57 PM
Post by: Chris on February 13, 2007, 06:44:30 PM
Can 1-ups really exist? Bring you back to full health yea mabey but from the dead?
Additionally, the very similar Life Shrooms are mentioned in Paper Mario 2. The old Puni woman wants one as a precaution. So yes, apparantly 1-Up Mushrooms and Life Shrooms are able to revive in the canonical story.
Post by: Wumbo on February 13, 2007, 08:04:37 PM
Edit: There's one that bothers me. Remember when Bowser said the Star Rod makes him immune to all attacks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOaAidYhjA4
Either he lied or Mario is slowly becoming a diety
Post by: The Chef on February 14, 2007, 01:34:02 PM
Post by: Wumbo on February 14, 2007, 01:43:16 PM
Post by: The Chef on February 14, 2007, 01:44:50 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on February 15, 2007, 03:29:14 PM
Bowser charges himself up, nothing hurts him. Star Spirits power and the Peach Beam didn't hurt Bowser it just stopped the Star Rod's magic.
Post by: SushieBoy on February 15, 2007, 03:53:06 PM
Post by: Wumbo on February 16, 2007, 08:48:32 AM
No no no, you are all wrong, in the first real fight with Bowser, before the final one, when he uses the star rod, he's not invincible, his defense just goes up alot, you can still deal damage with strong attacks! But it changes in the final one...
That's what I've been saying. I even have proof of it. It's like they didn't watch the video. :(
Post by: SushieBoy on February 16, 2007, 02:22:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOaAidYhjA4
Post by: Wumbo on February 16, 2007, 03:48:20 PM
Post by: SushieBoy on February 16, 2007, 03:55:27 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on February 16, 2007, 04:02:14 PM
Post by: The Chef on February 16, 2007, 04:34:41 PM
Well Mario is pretty strong. He can hurl Bowser for a couple miles, you know.
Post by: Wumbo on February 16, 2007, 05:36:32 PM
coughjerkscough
Anyway, as I saying the Star Rod didn't make Bowser completely invincible until Kammy power Bowser up.
Post by: SushieBoy on February 17, 2007, 08:19:33 AM
Post by: spamspamspamspam on February 21, 2007, 05:41:48 PM
If you played the game you would know that the Star Spirits were the only thing that could nullify the power of the Star Rod, but I won't doubt that Mario is essentially the Mushroom Kingdom's god figure.
I'd say that would be Shigeru Myamoto.
Post by: SushieBoy on February 21, 2007, 05:42:49 PM
Post by: Toad on February 21, 2007, 06:07:14 PM
I'd say that would be Shigeru Myamoto.
Shigeru Miyamoto.
Typos suck, don't they? XD
Post by: The Chef on February 21, 2007, 06:38:21 PM
Post by: SushieBoy on February 21, 2007, 06:42:54 PM
Post by: The Chef on February 21, 2007, 06:46:56 PM
Post by: Toad on February 21, 2007, 06:53:09 PM
I'm sure Mario didn't save The Mushroom Kingdom a million times either, maybe just a couple dozen times :)
At least once for every main Mario game (a game that isn't a spinoff), and then a couple of times in games that are spinoffs. He's saved the Kingdom in..
SMB
SMB3
SMW (he saved the Princess which in effect is saving the Kingdom..)
Super Mario RPG (yes, I'm counting the RPG's as main games)
Super Mario 64
Paper Mario
Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga (saved the Mushroom Kingdom and neighboring Beanbean Kingdom from Bowser, and Cackletta)
Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time (Mario and Luigi save not only the present Mushroom Kingdom from aliens, but also the past [and in turn saving the future] Kingdom, with help from their baby counterparts)
Dr Mario (saving the Kingdom from a major outbreak of virus..)
Paper Mario: the Thousand Year Door (he wasn't just saving the Kingdom, but the World)
Mario Party 5 (saving everybody's dreams, which in effect was saving the Kingdom [from lack of sleep!])
Mario Party 6 (stopped the Sun and Moon from fighting, which in effect was saving the Kingdom [from Daylight Savings Time!])
Mario Party 7 (Stopping Bowser from ruining their party, which in effect was saving the Kingdom [from.. err.. too much party?])
Mario Party Advance (took all the Gaddgets back from Bowser so he couldn't use them on the citizens, thusly saving the Kingdom)
Super Mario Sunshine (again, saved the Princess which in effect is saving the Kingdom..)
EDIT: added M&L:PiT, and a description for the first M&L game.
Post by: The Chef on February 21, 2007, 07:00:34 PM
Post by: SushieBoy on February 21, 2007, 07:03:37 PM
Post by: Toad on February 21, 2007, 07:06:19 PM
Since near the end of the game, Bowletta goes back to the Mushroom Kingdom to get Bowser's Castle, and then states that her (his?) plan is to take over both Beanbean and Mushroom Kingdoms.
**End SPOILERS**
Post by: Kojinka on February 22, 2007, 04:03:42 PM
Post by: Toad on February 22, 2007, 08:08:05 PM
Temporary insanity. :p
Post by: yoshimastar on February 28, 2007, 03:17:17 PM
Domes are plants.
They could have thick outside covering of bark or leaves, and over time dirt can get trapped in it, giving it a solid exterior. And in Mario Golf TT, if you hit a ball on top of one it says "tree".
Open your mind to new things and think it over.
Post by: MaxVance on February 28, 2007, 07:15:15 PM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on February 28, 2007, 08:23:10 PM
...domes?
Post by: SushieBoy on March 01, 2007, 01:51:54 PM
Post by: The Chef on March 01, 2007, 02:31:45 PM
How about we talk about the pipes instead? Who built them?
Post by: SushieBoy on March 01, 2007, 02:34:29 PM
Post by: The Chef on March 01, 2007, 02:38:03 PM
Post by: SushieBoy on March 01, 2007, 02:54:27 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on March 01, 2007, 03:30:36 PM
Domes.
The dome shaped objects.
Post by: Chupperson Weird on March 01, 2007, 05:07:51 PM
Post by: MaxVance on March 01, 2007, 05:11:15 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on March 02, 2007, 04:08:29 PM
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg150.imageshack.us%2Fimg150%2F6240%2Fzdomesiq0.png&hash=d4ea4282ac8866c0628c5276499b5d57) (http://imageshack.us)
Post by: MaxVance on March 02, 2007, 06:48:02 PM
Post by: The Chef on March 02, 2007, 08:26:05 PM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on March 02, 2007, 10:24:06 PM
Those are totally mountains.
...Especially the ones that grow.
Post by: BP on March 03, 2007, 02:46:13 AM
Post by: Kojinka on March 03, 2007, 07:23:49 PM
Post by: SushieBoy on March 03, 2007, 08:49:34 PM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on March 03, 2007, 10:13:39 PM
In fact, pretty much everything in this thread is an issue of style and should not be used in Mariology discussions.
I'm railing against Mariology.
Post by: The Chef on March 03, 2007, 10:17:28 PM
It also isn't helping that yoshimastar has a one-track mind.
Post by: Kojinka on March 03, 2007, 11:09:09 PM
Post by: MaxVance on March 04, 2007, 09:43:04 AM
Post by: SushieBoy on March 04, 2007, 05:53:42 PM
Post by: Kojinka on March 04, 2007, 06:21:22 PM
Post by: SushieBoy on March 04, 2007, 06:33:34 PM
Post by: Kojinka on March 04, 2007, 06:53:28 PM
Post by: Toad on March 04, 2007, 08:03:45 PM
I'm not sure if Fawful even had his headgear anymore! But.... He could make some delicous bean soup, the bean soup of your doom!
Of course he has it, he just doesn't wear it all the time.
Mario has a frog suit, but you don't see him dressed like a frog all the time..
Anyway, maybe Fawful just likes to speak of beans and mustard of doom for intimidating purposes.
Post by: Kojinka on March 04, 2007, 09:15:43 PM
Post by: SushieBoy on March 04, 2007, 09:23:31 PM
Post by: Kojinka on March 05, 2007, 08:00:31 AM
Post by: The Chef on March 05, 2007, 03:15:17 PM
Post by: SushieBoy on March 05, 2007, 03:26:35 PM
Post by: The Chef on March 05, 2007, 04:03:57 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on March 24, 2007, 10:03:18 AM
They could have been made by the x-nauts along with the Yux.
Post by: SushieBoy on March 24, 2007, 10:10:01 AM
Post by: yoshimastar on March 24, 2007, 10:47:26 AM
And if they're native how did the other clefts get the the Mushroom World?
Post by: SushieBoy on March 24, 2007, 11:00:10 AM
Post by: Kojinka on March 24, 2007, 11:05:24 AM
Post by: SushieBoy on March 24, 2007, 11:07:55 AM
Post by: Kojinka on March 24, 2007, 11:13:08 AM
Post by: The Chef on March 24, 2007, 11:55:12 AM
Post by: SushieBoy on March 24, 2007, 12:00:21 PM
Post by: Kojinka on March 24, 2007, 04:51:10 PM
Post by: Toad on April 07, 2007, 07:57:56 PM
Post by: The Chef on April 07, 2007, 08:14:12 PM
Post by: PaperLuigi on April 07, 2007, 08:31:18 PM
Post by: Ultima Shadow on April 07, 2007, 10:14:44 PM
Post by: yoshimastar on April 17, 2007, 07:18:20 PM
All I need is a quote or anything that they where on earth, and not from a guide.
Post by: The Chef on April 18, 2007, 12:25:06 PM
Has Shigeru Miyamoto ever really said the Bros. where once in Brooklyn at any time?
All I need is a quote or anything that they where on earth, and not from a guide.
NOA made it up. Miyamoto never says anything about Mario himself.
Post by: SushieBoy on April 19, 2007, 08:27:21 PM
Post by: Robert on April 20, 2007, 05:33:48 AM
Speaking of Bob-ombs, could Mario have used the Bob-omb's cannon from PM2 to launch himself up into outer space in SMG?
Post by: Suffix on April 20, 2007, 09:33:45 AM
Post by: The Chef on April 20, 2007, 01:41:48 PM
SMG shows that Mario uses star-shaped launchers to get from planet to planet, so that's probably gets up there.
Post by: Chupperson Weird on April 20, 2007, 08:44:49 PM
Post by: The Chef on April 21, 2007, 08:39:42 AM
Post by: GiftedGirl on April 21, 2007, 09:10:35 AM
And there's my serious post for the year.
Post by: SushieBoy on April 21, 2007, 09:55:09 AM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on April 21, 2007, 10:06:09 AM
Post by: yoshimastar on April 21, 2007, 10:33:39 AM
Post by: SushieBoy on April 21, 2007, 11:33:12 AM
Post by: Toad on April 21, 2007, 11:57:29 AM
I think that the Yoshies do have gender..
Green, Red, Yellow, Blue, and Black maybe not black.. it's been a while are all male.
Pink, Light Blue, and White again, I may have black and white confused are all female.
Listen to their sounds in Yoshi's Story.
Post by: The Chef on April 21, 2007, 12:04:33 PM
Post by: BooDestroyer on April 21, 2007, 01:49:40 PM
Here's the perfect explanation:QFT
It's a game.
Let me away from this boulder!
Post by: MaxVance on April 21, 2007, 01:52:24 PM
Anyway, please feel free to reply and post your own ideas. Although, like I said in the title, I'd appreciate it if we kept this a serious thread and not have people saying "here's the perfect explanation, it's a game".
Post by: BooDestroyer on April 21, 2007, 01:54:57 PM
Post by: The Chef on April 21, 2007, 04:44:11 PM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on April 21, 2007, 10:27:56 PM
Now, that doesn't stop them breaking that rule at any time when they want to because there is no continuity.
Post by: BooDestroyer on April 23, 2007, 10:31:36 AM
There's the "Real World" of the Mario universe and the "Paper World", which I would find to be but an alternate dimension/reality. This is kind of a Hyrule/Termina case from Zelda Majora's Mask. Paper Mario and "Real" Mario would actually be two different characters. They haven't seen each other, mainly because some sort of portal between the two realities has been sealed off. Because of no continuity in the Paper World, just about anything can happen anyways.
The minor enemies in the "Real World" are just average subspecies, all with random genders and random names. They're not as particularly advanced as they are in the Paper World (Goombario, Goombella, Professor Frankly, etc.).
SMRPG and Mario & Luigi would actually be tying in to the story of this "Real World". Prince Peasley, Fawful, Cackletta, Popple, etc. pretty much found a new home in here with the enduring storylines of these games. Kylie Koopa still would be in the past Mushroom Kingdom. Because of the Baby Bros. appearing in MK:DD with the normal ones, she can come to the present era if she wanted to as well.
Birdo's a girl here (If NOA said otherwise with joking intent, so be it...). She and Yoshi are the "main ones" of their kind (magenta and green, respectively).
The Mushroom Kingdom and the Beanbean Kingdom would be on the same continent. Beanbean Kingdom west of Mushroom Kingdom (the plane was flying that way, after all). Isle Delfino south of them. Yoshi's Island a little to the east, near the mainland's Mushroom Kingdom. Sarasaland would be on some island further west off the mainland.
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/7039/mariomappq8.png - Rough sketch of the Mario universe map here. Did this a long time ago, so some things that aren't there I just thought of now.
As far as Wario's scenario goes, the many places he plunders are north of the mainland this time (Kitchen Island, etc.).
Post by: Chris on April 23, 2007, 10:55:47 AM
Two things introduced in Paper Mario made their way into future non-Paper games. The Star Spirits in Mario Party 5, and Tutankoopa in Mario Pinball Land. Minor appearances? Sure, but I'd think it does well to counter the idea that the Paper Marios are outside of normal canon. They may be done in a different artstyle, but there seems to be nothing to suggest they're seperate plotlines.
Also, Toad Town- used in both Mario and Luigi games- debuted in Paper Mario. Aaaand in Hoohoo University, the ? block room has a "Block used in Paper Mario". Again, like the characters, these are somewhat minor, but help.
Post by: The Chef on April 23, 2007, 01:16:38 PM
Post by: Robert on April 23, 2007, 09:32:59 PM
And your alternate dimension theory is very interesting, but somewhat flawed. If the two worlds are seperate, then how did Mario become famous in the Paper Mario realm? Most Mario fans agree (even the ones here) that graphics in the PM games are just a representation of the real Mario's adventures, it's not a big indication that the two realms are seperate. It's a nice idea, though.
Post by: Chupperson Weird on April 24, 2007, 12:13:41 PM
Post by: volbound1700 on April 25, 2007, 12:07:54 PM
I always thought the Koopa Kids where created by Koopa through magic or because Koopa could be unisex or something. He is a dragon afterall.
They need a mario game with Koopa, Donkey Kong, and Wart all in it for Mario to go to their worlds. Maybe have DK as a boss and as a good guy as well like with Knuckles early on in Sonic games. Have Wart, King K Rool, and Bowser as villians along with Wario and Waluigi. Have Diddy Kong in it as well. Maybe a 4 player game and you can choose Mario, Luigi, Yoshi, and Toad as heros and later unlock more heroes like DK, Diddy, and Kirby. (put Kirby's world in their somewhere as well).
Post by: Nintendoobsessed on April 30, 2007, 02:41:43 PM
Post by: Mega 2 on May 01, 2007, 01:27:55 AM
Post by: Kojinka on May 01, 2007, 06:49:26 AM
Post by: Nintendoobsessed on May 08, 2007, 04:18:18 PM
Post by: The Chef on May 08, 2007, 05:10:55 PM
Post by: reece1504 on May 10, 2007, 04:31:11 AM
Watch your language. - Suffix
Post by: yoshimastar on May 10, 2007, 01:41:50 PM
Post by: The Chef on May 10, 2007, 01:56:27 PM
Post by: Matty_G33 on May 10, 2007, 10:44:34 PM
But look at the Zelda Series, Nintendo has managed to generate more Links and Zeldas than a top selling computer company (hopefully the series gets to the future; we can see no Master Sword!).
If you look at Metroid, you can cleary see that all the games' timeline makes sense, but the series could end quickly.
What I'm trying to prove here is that Mario games should be never ending, even if it makes us bankrupt.
Post by: The Chef on May 11, 2007, 01:49:25 PM
Post by: Kojinka on May 15, 2007, 03:19:42 PM
and Luigi must be lighter than Mario.I picture them to be about the same weight (Luigi's height makes up for things). The reasons Luigi can jump higher is because he has longer legs, and he probably IS a little lighter than Mario.
Post by: spamspamspamspam on May 15, 2007, 06:19:09 PM
Peach can float because of her dressNo, I'm quite sure it's the umbrella that enables her to float.
Post by: The Chef on May 15, 2007, 06:56:12 PM
Post by: spamspamspamspam on May 16, 2007, 04:44:51 PM
Peach had an umbrella in SMB2?Oh I thought we were talking about in all the other games.
(sorry for the confusion)
Post by: annathewolf on May 16, 2007, 05:21:42 PM
It's Fawful's frase from Mario and Luidgi supersaga (Game Boy Advance). :)
Thanks everyone for your help!
Post by: PaperLuigi on May 16, 2007, 05:28:32 PM
Post by: annathewolf on May 16, 2007, 05:30:45 PM
Post by: The Chef on May 16, 2007, 05:33:42 PM
Man, you got a lot to learn about famous video game phrases. Now do a barrel roll.
Post by: SushieBoy on May 16, 2007, 07:59:43 PM
"ALL YOUR BASE ALL BELONG TO US,"
"Get up on Hydra's back!"
"THANK YOU MARIO! BUT OUR PRINCESS IS IN ANOTHER CASTLE,"
"Hit It's weakpoint for massive damage,"
(Those are just a few)
Post by: annathewolf on May 16, 2007, 09:47:21 PM
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You mean you didn't realize that first time he appeared??I got the meaning but I just wanted to ask English speakers about this phrase if I got it wrong. :)
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Man, you got a lot to learn about famous video game phrases. Now do a barrel roll.I got to learn more and more English because it's not my first language. :)
And what about game phrases... hmmm... would you like to be my teacher? :)) (just a joke)
Post by: Toad on May 16, 2007, 09:55:08 PM
I got the meaning but I just wanted to ask English speakers about this phrase if I got it wrong. :)
I got to learn more and more English because it's not my first language. :)
And what about game phrases... hmmm... would you like to be my teacher? :)) (just a joke)
To answer your question: yes, it would be wrong to say I HAVE FURY! if you are mad at someone. Just simply saying I am mad! would suffice.
More Mariology: I think this has already been asked, but what other kinds of lands do you think surround the Mushroom Kingdom? I know we have BeanBean to the South and Sarasaland to the.. *whatever direction it's in* (Daisy's Kingdom, for Mario newcomers), but then where is the Mushroom Kingdom in relation to Dinosaur Land? or the locations in the sports games (Golf courses, Tennis courts, Kart tracks)
Post by: Kojinka on May 16, 2007, 11:41:49 PM
For MKDD, Peach Beach appears to be located somewhere near Gelato Beach in Isle Delfino, and Daisy Cruiser seems to be sailing the seas just off Isle Delfino. (lol Firefox doesn't know much Italian)
"I'm so hungry, I could eat an octorok!" "I can't wait to bomb some dodongos!" As far as I'm concerned, those games NEVER existed outside the hundreds of YouTube poops.
Post by: MaxVance on May 17, 2007, 05:13:22 AM
I know we have BeanBean to the EastIt's south.
Post by: The Chef on May 17, 2007, 01:51:25 PM
"I AM ERROR!" -Error
Post by: megamush on June 09, 2007, 10:25:27 AM
and i think that toads are mario and peach's children
Post by: The Chef on June 09, 2007, 12:24:28 PM
Post by: SushieBoy on June 09, 2007, 12:25:31 PM
Post by: Nintendoobsessed on June 09, 2007, 01:30:33 PM
Post by: spamspamspamspam on June 10, 2007, 02:03:00 PM
Post by: PaperLuigi on June 10, 2007, 03:14:29 PM
I think that peach and daisy are cousins
and i think that toads are mario and peach's children
Uh.............................no.
Post by: Robert on June 10, 2007, 05:04:47 PM
I think that peach and daisy are cousins
and i think that toads are mario and peach's children
There were Toads in Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time in the past, when Peach was just a baby, so that theory couldn't make any sense.
I believe that the Toads actually grew from the ground, and are actually living fungus. I mean, they got mushrooms on their head. Could it be anymore obvious?
Just kidding about my theory. I acknowledge the possibility that those mushroom heads could actually be hats.
Post by: The Chef on June 10, 2007, 05:10:04 PM
I'd say it's easiest to assume that the mushroomers are chytrids.
Post by: PaperLuigi on June 10, 2007, 05:13:15 PM
Post by: Kojinka on June 10, 2007, 07:49:10 PM
Post by: Kimimaru on June 10, 2007, 07:57:30 PM
Post by: Lizard Dude on June 11, 2007, 04:37:41 AM
Are you sure it doesn't happen when a female Toad's spores mix with a male Toad's spores?Hey, this is a G-rated forum. There are kids here.
Post by: PaperLuigi on June 11, 2007, 05:38:35 AM
Post by: NintendoExpert89 on June 11, 2007, 06:07:26 AM
Post by: PaperLuigi on June 11, 2007, 06:46:41 AM
Second, it was a joke, Mr. Serious.
I can't believe someone actually took my post seriously.
Post by: Suffix on June 11, 2007, 02:48:48 PM
Post by: Lizard Dude on June 11, 2007, 03:34:36 PM
Post by: PaperLuigi on June 11, 2007, 05:12:09 PM
Post by: SushieBoy on June 11, 2007, 10:12:17 PM
Post by: PaperLuigi on June 11, 2007, 10:14:15 PM
Post by: MaxVance on June 11, 2007, 11:10:16 PM
Post by: Suffix on June 11, 2007, 11:28:20 PM
Hahaha, is that the new thing to do when you're joking?
No, actually, it's been around for a while. In #TMK, Boo_penguin ends-- or used to end-- all of his sarcastic remarks or anything that could be considered insulting with ":)" or ":D".
Post by: Lizard Dude on June 12, 2007, 12:12:24 AM
Post by: The Chef on June 12, 2007, 02:53:59 PM
Post by: Toad on June 12, 2007, 04:02:10 PM
there appears to be a wooden platform clogging the unusable pipes in SSBM.
It took me a minute to realise that you were talking about the pipes in the first stage of the Adventure Mode. Mabey that is how it works: the wooden platform is an elevator, and when Mario wants to go down a pipe, he presses a button on the elevator (hence the ducking in the earlier games).
Post by: SushieBoy on June 12, 2007, 04:25:23 PM
Post by: The Chef on June 12, 2007, 04:30:23 PM
Post by: SushieBoy on June 12, 2007, 11:20:59 PM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on June 13, 2007, 12:31:55 AM
Post by: PaperLuigi on June 13, 2007, 05:08:25 AM
Post by: Lizard Dude on June 13, 2007, 05:19:48 AM
Post by: PaperLuigi on June 13, 2007, 05:26:55 AM
I'm just saying there's no other explination as to why he floats over the pipe hole. He cannot fly, he's obviously not standing towards the edge and he only goes down if you push down on the controler.
Post by: The Chef on June 13, 2007, 06:32:48 AM
Post by: PaperLuigi on June 13, 2007, 07:41:59 AM
Post by: Lizard Dude on June 13, 2007, 07:49:37 AM
Post by: Kimimaru on June 13, 2007, 09:15:35 AM
Post by: Adventure_Knight on June 13, 2007, 09:55:01 AM
Post by: Lizard Dude on June 13, 2007, 03:13:23 PM
Post by: SushieBoy on June 13, 2007, 03:23:03 PM
Post by: Toad on June 13, 2007, 09:47:44 PM
Post by: Lizard Dude on June 14, 2007, 01:13:08 AM
Post by: NintendoExpert89 on June 14, 2007, 09:15:29 AM
In PM and PMTTYD, there is a block in the pipe, but the block is cut around the edges, so there is a circular gap (like in that movie "The Ring", where looking up in the closed well shows the ring of light- the circular gap). Mario can thus only enter the pipe if he starts in "spin" in around the edges through that circular gap.
Post by: Chupperson Weird on June 14, 2007, 11:07:46 AM
Post by: Lizard Dude on June 14, 2007, 11:45:15 AM
Post by: Adventure_Knight on June 16, 2007, 06:00:56 AM
In SMRPG he clearly stands on the empty space. This has been covered.
Maybe they didn't want to make different sprites for Mario standing on the pipe, it has happened before.
Post by: Nintendoobsessed on June 16, 2007, 04:23:30 PM
Post by: Adventure_Knight on June 17, 2007, 07:27:06 AM
Post by: Lizard Dude on June 17, 2007, 07:30:58 AM
In SMB if you have momentum but are not pushing into the pipe, once you touch it, you still go in.Just tested and you are correct. This is for running straight at the pipe, though. The thing that confused my memory is that if you're jumping down into the side of the pipe, you'll hit the side and then scrape down the side but don't go in. This is because, obviously, you're going straight down and don't have any momentum into the pipe.
Post by: Metric on June 19, 2007, 11:21:38 PM
Post by: Suffix on June 19, 2007, 11:29:46 PM
Post by: The Chef on June 20, 2007, 08:00:41 AM
Post by: SushieBoy on June 20, 2007, 10:28:24 AM
Post by: NintendoExpert89 on June 20, 2007, 10:55:26 AM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on June 20, 2007, 11:42:46 PM
Post by: Boo Dudley on June 21, 2007, 04:38:49 AM
Post by: Mack_The_Knife on June 23, 2007, 06:13:59 PM
In SMRPG, the Chancellor says something like "I was so worried, I almost scattered my spores!" Unless they keep spores under their hats, it's probably their head.
A hat wouldn't scatter spores unless there are some under it or something.
Of course, toads might carry spores inside their body if that's a hat, but because spores bring mushrooms to mind, I'd say the spores are in the shroomtop.
Another thing: is ♥♪!? a starman? Do starmen come from the Star Road?
Note: When I refer to ♥♪!?, I mean the entity controlling the doll. When I refer to Geno, I mean the doll or the doll/entity combo.
Post by: MaxVance on June 24, 2007, 02:53:00 PM
Post by: Toad on June 24, 2007, 06:48:30 PM
.. I feel like we've discussed this before, earlier in the thread. Have we gone full circle with Mariology? Probably not..
Starmen coming from the Star Road, that's an intriguing thought.. It would make sense, since most of the stars (all the stars?) we've ever seen in the Mario games have had eyes. The star that picked the Geno doll in Mario RPG didn't have eyes though..
Post by: Suffix on June 25, 2007, 10:00:09 PM
Post by: MaxVance on June 28, 2007, 12:09:10 PM
Starmen coming from the Star Road, that's an intriguing thought.. It would make sense, since most of the stars (all the stars?) we've ever seen in the Mario games have had eyes. The star that picked the Geno doll in Mario RPG didn't have eyes though..It might have. It was rather small and the resolution whould not have been able to show eyes at that size.
Post by: NintendoExpert89 on June 28, 2007, 03:51:42 PM
Post by: MaxVance on June 28, 2007, 04:40:10 PM
Post by: spamspamspamspam on June 29, 2007, 12:23:45 PM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on June 29, 2007, 02:36:20 PM
Post by: Lizard Dude on June 30, 2007, 01:58:47 AM
Theoretically, every object in the universe is attracting Mario at all times, making Chup's sentence pretty meaningless.
Theoretically, Mario's speed in any direction doesn't affect his acceleration at all.
Post by: NintendoExpert89 on June 30, 2007, 06:29:00 AM
NE89: Theoretically it would also depend on what speed he was going before the gravitational pull of whatever object attracted him.
That doesn't make sense. Even if he was standing still on the object and jumped, he would fall back onto it at the same acceleration nonetheless.
Post by: Chupperson Weird on July 01, 2007, 12:51:46 AM
Post by: NintendoExpert89 on July 01, 2007, 06:48:35 AM
Post by: Lizard Dude on July 01, 2007, 10:30:09 AM
Of course if Mario was initially coming down to the planet faster, he would arrive.... faster!
But his acceleration (change in velocity, whatever Mario started with) would be the same.
Post by: Mack_The_Knife on July 15, 2007, 12:40:19 PM
In the Nimbus Land castle, what did Valentina do before she usurped the king and queen? Was she even in the castle in the first place? Is she even a resident of Nimbus Land, considering she is human and the Nimbus Land residents are clouds?
Post by: Toad on July 16, 2007, 09:17:13 PM
Post by: Jack Sparrow on August 01, 2007, 04:16:10 PM
Post by: The Chef on August 01, 2007, 05:15:50 PM
Those humans are there because of Camelot. They also seem to exist in their own universe, possibly our universe, since you don't see any Mario stuff until you go through a rainbow-colored portal until the end of the game.
Post by: spamspamspamspam on August 09, 2007, 02:31:00 PM
Those humans are there because of Camelot.
Well, if you think like that, you could say that the Bean-Beans are there because of AlphaDream.
Post by: The Chef on August 09, 2007, 04:58:28 PM
Post by: spamspamspamspam on August 10, 2007, 05:06:40 PM
That's exactly why they have yet to appear in a Mario game that doesn't have "Mario & Luigi" in the title.
WRONG. Two of them appeared in Paper Mario: The thousand Year Door
Post by: The Chef on August 11, 2007, 06:27:36 AM
I don't recall ever seeing Bean people anywhere in PM2.
Post by: spamspamspamspam on August 11, 2007, 08:13:06 AM
Post by: The Chef on August 11, 2007, 12:33:33 PM
Post by: MaxVance on August 11, 2007, 01:41:39 PM
Galaxy looks to change that.Really? What games will Galaxy be referencing, then?
Post by: PaperLuigi on August 11, 2007, 02:00:37 PM
They were in the bar in Rogueport and Glitzville, as the Bartenders.
Were those guys bean-beans? I had no idea. :/
Post by: The Chef on August 11, 2007, 02:52:14 PM
Really? What games will Galaxy be referencing, then?
There's a crapload of SMB3 stuff, in case you hadn't noticed in all the newest screens.
Post by: Kimimaru on August 12, 2007, 10:14:14 AM
Really? What games will Galaxy be referencing, then?
There's a crapload of SMB3 stuff, in case you hadn't noticed in all the newest screens.They also brang back the long jump from Super Mario 64!
Post by: MaxVance on August 12, 2007, 11:49:38 AM
Post by: The Chef on August 12, 2007, 05:12:29 PM
Post by: SushieBoy on August 12, 2007, 05:31:48 PM
Post by: MaxVance on August 12, 2007, 07:00:51 PM
Airship or a giant Rocky WrenchSaying those are references to SMB3 is like saying that Bob-Ombs are a reference to SMB2 (US).
Post by: reece1504 on August 13, 2007, 04:28:00 AM
Post by: Toad on August 13, 2007, 04:38:34 PM
They were in the bar in Rogueport and Glitzville, as the Bartenders.
Were those guys bean-beans? I had no idea. :/
No they're not. Those guys are just greenish in color because the guy who ran the bar in the first Paper Mario game was green.
None of them are Beanbean-ers (unless one of them specifically said "I moved/came here from the Bean Kingdom!")
Now, there is a reference to the Mario & Luigi games.. The chuckola cola that washes up on shore after the spirits attack.
Post by: spamspamspamspam on August 15, 2007, 04:30:20 PM
None of them are Beanbean-ers (unless one of them specifically said "I moved/came here from the Bean Kingdom!")
No, I believe in an interview with one of the people working on the game, he said Podley, the Rogueport bartender, was an immigrant from the Bean-Bean Kingdom.
And no in Paper Mario, he was not green.
Post by: Toad on August 15, 2007, 04:39:11 PM
Back to Mariology: How do the Mushroom People get around? They obivously don't drive many cars, because Toad's Turnpike, Mushroom Bridge, Mushroom City, and 'Shroom Ridge don't go anywhere. The cars there just drive in circles.
Post by: The Chef on August 15, 2007, 04:55:08 PM
Post by: Toad on August 15, 2007, 05:17:01 PM
Post by: spamspamspamspam on August 17, 2007, 10:54:12 AM
Do you have a link? I don't remember ever hearing about that.
Back to Mariology: How do the Mushroom People get around? They obivously don't drive many cars, because Toad's Turnpike, Mushroom Bridge, Mushroom City, and 'Shroom Ridge don't go anywhere. The cars there just drive in circles.
Actually in Mushroom City, there's a road that the cars come out of, that is out of bounds.
Post by: Robert on August 17, 2007, 06:08:09 PM
Do you have a link? I don't remember ever hearing about that.
Back to Mariology: How do the Mushroom People get around? They obivously don't drive many cars, because Toad's Turnpike, Mushroom Bridge, Mushroom City, and 'Shroom Ridge don't go anywhere. The cars there just drive in circles.
Then again, the Mario Kart games aren't canon, so how do we know that those locations are actually in the Mario World? Those locations may not exist, but cars might. After all, they've managed to invent video, Airplanes and Submarines, so why not cars?
Post by: The Chef on August 18, 2007, 07:40:05 AM
Post by: Kojinka on August 18, 2007, 03:26:01 PM
Post by: Robert on August 18, 2007, 04:52:15 PM
1)Who said they aren't canon? Who said there even was a canon to begin with? 2)As far as I'm concerned, every Mario game happened. 3)Why would you want to act like a game never existed?
1) Well, for one thing, I don't think Bowser would meet with his enemies just to have a race/play golf/play tennis/etc. If he did, then don't you think he would at least try to kidnap the princess? Especially since she's right there, none the wiser?
2) Even the awful Hotel Mario? Even Mario is Missing, Mario's Time Machine, Mario teaches typing and all the other Mario educational games?
3) In the case of games like Hotel Mario, it's because the game is bad and there was no influence by Nintendo in it's creation, was not on a Nintendo system or was not published by Nintendo.
In the case of the Mario spinoffs, it's because the game(s) have no real place in the Mario timeline and/or make a mess of the story (Such as the example I pointed out earlier).
Post by: Toad on August 18, 2007, 07:21:34 PM
Actually in Mushroom City, there's a road that the cars come out of, that is out of bounds.
Oh yeah. I completely forgot about that road.. -_-;
Post by: The Chef on August 18, 2007, 09:05:15 PM
1) Well, for one thing, I don't think Bowser would meet with his enemies just to have a race/play golf/play tennis/etc. If he did, then don't you think he would at least try to kidnap the princess? Especially since she's right there, none the wiser?
Maybe he has time off and just wants to beat Mario at something other than a fight to the death. Also, if you've ever played Mario Power Tennis, you'd know that Bowser's ending involved him trying to get a kiss from Peach. So... yeah.
2) Even the awful Hotel Mario? Even Mario is Missing, Mario's Time Machine, Mario teaches typing and all the other Mario educational games?
They exist. Just because you don't like them doesn't mean they should be disregarded.
3) In the case of games like Hotel Mario, it's because the game is bad and there was no influence by Nintendo in it's creation, was not on a Nintendo system or was not published by Nintendo.
Unless Nintendo themselves says otherwise, there is no canon and these games don't have any sort of bearing on the ones they did make.
In the case of the Mario spinoffs, it's because the game(s) have no real place in the Mario timeline and/or make a mess of the story (Such as the example I pointed out earlier).
There's no timeline or story to have a mess made of. Each game has it's own storyline, some more elaborate than others. There is continuity due to recurring elements. Spinoffs are some of the best examples of that.
Post by: Kimimaru on August 19, 2007, 08:37:28 AM
Back to Mariology: How do the Mushroom People get around? They obivously don't drive many cars, because Toad's Turnpike, Mushroom Bridge, Mushroom City, and 'Shroom Ridge don't go anywhere. The cars there just drive in circles.
Well, they can go through pipes, possibly. Another way would be to just walk. To get to other kingdoms/resorts, they use a plane as seen in SM Sunshine.
Post by: Kojinka on August 19, 2007, 02:58:41 PM
Well, they can go through pipes, possibly. Another way would be to just walk. To get to other kingdoms/resorts, they use a plane as seen in SM Sunshine.And in Superstar Saga.
Not to mention Mario uses a boat to reach Rogueport in TTYD. Otherwise, Im pretty sure they use Warp pipes or walk.
Post by: Rao on August 19, 2007, 04:13:12 PM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on August 19, 2007, 05:22:17 PM
Hopefully these will grow in a few years!
Post by: Toad on August 19, 2007, 05:26:17 PM
So, on the subject of transportation, how far are these locations from Mushroom Castle? Obviously, one could walk out the door of the Castle and reach Toad Town (the MK's main town), but where are areas like Dinosaur Land, Sarasa Land, Mario Land, Wario Stadium, etc.. in relation to Mushroom Castle?
Obviously, some of these locales are pretty close that they could walk, but what about others?
.. I guess they could go by pipe, too, if the road to the pipe isn't real dangerous..
Post by: The Chef on August 19, 2007, 08:19:50 PM
Post by: Rao on August 19, 2007, 09:06:06 PM
Post by: Toad on August 19, 2007, 09:16:40 PM
.. which I'm assuming was turned into the theme park in Mario Party.
That would make sense, since the boards in MP and MP2 closely resemble some of the areas from SML and SML2 (Western Land and World 1, Yoshi's Tropical Island and World 2, Mystery Land and World 3, Space Land and World 4 [probably a bit far-fetched]).
Post by: Rao on August 19, 2007, 09:20:55 PM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on August 19, 2007, 10:17:09 PM
Post by: spamspamspamspam on August 20, 2007, 09:51:03 AM
SML takes place in Sarasaland, not Mario Land.
Yeah SML2 took place in Mario Land.
Post by: Toad on August 20, 2007, 06:29:48 PM
SML takes place in Sarasaland, not Mario Land.
Yeah SML2 took place in Mario Land.
I know, but MP and MP2 (mostly MP2) seem to borrow a lot from the SML games.
Post by: Rao on August 20, 2007, 07:05:36 PM
Post by: Toad on August 20, 2007, 07:14:13 PM
Mario Party 6 was one of those games that attempted to say that the MP world is different from the regular Mario world, but even if a game says it I don't always agree. We do not need a different universe for every series/spinoff to take place in.
Post by: ~Lavender on August 21, 2007, 10:22:38 AM
Most people say the sports title's for Mario are spinoff's, so does that make it non-canon? I mean, it has nothing to do with the real storyline right? I always thought it was canon, now I feel sort of dumb, oh well. >_>
Post by: MaxVance on August 21, 2007, 11:46:09 AM
Post by: Toad on August 22, 2007, 05:15:53 PM
That's always been my take on it, anyway. Unless a game or spinoff says "this happened before this game"
You get me? :)
Post by: Lizard Dude on August 22, 2007, 05:55:24 PM
I guess the Yoshi's Islands.
Post by: ADL on August 24, 2007, 10:00:37 AM
PS Its not just a game its a show.
Post by: CrossEyed7 on September 07, 2007, 09:31:17 PM
This is also a possible explanation for Baby Mario and Baby Luigi showing up in the spin-off's: After all the main games (including future ones for many years to come) Mario and Luigi married Peach and Daisy, respectively, and had kids.
I don't think the spin-off games necessarily have to be set after the main games they reference, because the places still exist later. (Mario Kart DS proved this by bringing back courses from all the other Mario Karts and having new ones set in SMB 3 and LM. Of course, then we'd have to deal with the fact that the haunted mansion actually disappeared as soon as Luigi left it, leaving absolutely no time to race around it, so it's probably best to approach the spin-off games the same way things are dealt with in the official Star Wars canon: anything that contradicts higher-level material (in this case, the real games) is disregarded, while everything else is canon until higher canon contradicts it.)
Post by: NintendoExpert89 on September 07, 2007, 09:56:02 PM
This is also a possible explanation for Baby Mario and Baby Luigi showing up in the spin-off's: After all the main games (including future ones for many years to come) Mario and Luigi married Peach and Daisy, respectively, and had kids.Both M&LPiT and Yoshi's Island DS lead one to suggest time travel is the reason why they appear.
Post by: CrossEyed7 on September 07, 2007, 10:09:31 PM
Post by: Toad on September 07, 2007, 10:15:39 PM
Post by: MaxVance on September 08, 2007, 01:08:07 AM
Post by: NintendoExpert89 on September 08, 2007, 07:12:23 AM
Post by: CrossEyed7 on September 27, 2007, 05:46:27 PM
(Also, I'll post a rough copy of the map when I get my scanner hooked up. And if I don't get my scanner hooked up within a reasonable time frame, I'll try to convey the basic layout in MSPaint.)
Post by: spamspamspamspam on September 28, 2007, 05:23:38 PM
Post by: Nintendoobsessed on September 28, 2007, 05:40:33 PM
Post by: SushieBoy on September 28, 2007, 07:22:43 PM
Post by: Reading on September 28, 2007, 10:37:04 PM
I've always pictured Rogueport and such being to the left (west) of the area visited in Paper Mario, but there's no definite way to know.
Post by: spamspamspamspam on September 29, 2007, 08:42:35 AM
Post by: Reading on September 29, 2007, 10:18:37 AM
Though, if you look at the map, you'd have to go north to get to Rogueport by sailing (it's only touching water on the south side) so, technically, it could be anywhere.
Also, at the end of the game when Mario and Peach leave Rogueport via the same ship they used to go there, the captain says "Set a course for the Mushroom Kingdom!" This leads me to believe that Rogueport is not in the Mushroom Kingdom, but most likely in the Mushroom World.
Post by: Nintendoobsessed on September 29, 2007, 11:53:46 AM
Post by: CrossEyed7 on September 30, 2007, 09:00:15 PM
Post by: NintendoExpert89 on September 30, 2007, 10:01:24 PM
Post by: spamspamspamspam on October 02, 2007, 04:59:53 PM
Yeah, Nintendo tends to use the term Mushroom Kingdom to refer to the whole world. For my purposes, I'm defining the Mushroom Kingdom as the non-Bowser levels in SMB 1, Lost Levels, and SMB3, the castle town and Mushroom Way in SMRPG (and possibly Bandit's Way), and some places (not totally sure which yet, though they're pretty much all on the Mushroom Continent) in Paper Mario and M&L:PiT. Also, most of NSMB is probably in the Mushroom Kingdom, but I'll have to wait to squeeze that in until I can get another copy of it (I threw away the cart by accident about a year ago).In a map I'm making, The Mushroom Kingdom is split between three major islands. One holding most of the locations in PM2, another holding most of the other locations as well as the Bean-Bean, Koopa, and Nimbus Kingdoms, and a third being Yoshi's Island and its surrounding islands, including Delfino.
Post by: CrossEyed7 on October 05, 2007, 09:15:36 AM
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthemushroomkingdom.net%2Fimages%2Fmailbag20030731_sma4_worldmap.png&hash=4b8a6759dedef825f48a452ac4fbdf8c)
Post by: spamspamspamspam on October 06, 2007, 09:44:46 AM
Post by: MaxVance on October 06, 2007, 11:09:33 AM
Post by: CrossEyed7 on October 06, 2007, 11:38:05 AM
Okay, I haven't gotten my scanner hooked up yet, so here's a photo of my map:
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fphotos-c.ak.facebook.com%2Fphotos-ak-sctm%2Fv129%2F160%2F73%2F55303319%2Fn55303319_30997498_6757.jpg&hash=31092fbe5b2779bf51a38e839c7f901b)
(If it doesn't show up, try http://messiah.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30997498&l=d1768&id=55303319 (http://messiah.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30997498&l=d1768&id=55303319))
Hopefully you can read enough of the captions to make sense of it. This is only part of the northern hemisphere, but I'll hopefully have a full map eventually. The two big continents on the left are the mainlands of the Mushroom Kingdom, where Super Mario Bros and The Lost Levels took place. I pretty much made up the shapes, at least the parts that weren't based on SMB3.
The medium-sized multi-colored island below Dark Land is Rogueport and the surrounding areas, except for Fahr Outpost, which is way up to the north. There are two territories on the Rogueport island that aren't anything in the game, and which I may get rid of in the next revision; they're only there now because I wanted it to look a little more balanced after I took Fahr Outpost off.
Dinosaur Land is to the west of Isle Delfino and its surrounding islands (a turtle, a crab, a jellyfish, and two amorphous ones). You probably can't tell from this size, but I drew Isle Delfino backwards before checking, so I'll be sure to fix that in the next revision too.
The Warp Zone from SMB3 is northwest of World 7 from SMB3, since I figured it fit in with the Pipe Maze's theme (you may have noticed that I don't really consistently follow either standard for SMB3 world names), and similarly, Tiny-Huge Island is off the coast of Giant Land (I'm planning on eventually incorporating several locations from SM64, assuming that the paintings are paintings of actual places). Speaking of Giant Land, I added a rather giant piece of land to it. This is the place where you enter the warp pipe to the mainland in World 4, extended southwardly. Water Land is a pretty faithful recreation of the World 3 map screen, including the island that's shaped like Japan.
On the northern main Mushroom continent, I've started putting in PM and SMRPG locations. Toad Town is in the light green territory between Grass Land and Dry Dry Desert, and is meant to also represent the "Mushroom Kingdom" area in SMRPG (As for the port in PM, pretend there's a river there). Goomba Village is to the west, right on the border of the blue territory. Tadpole Pond, Rose Town, and the Forest Maze are to the south in the red territory, Moleville is in the green one, Booster Tower is in the red-orange one, Seaside Town is on the coast of the lighter green one, and Monstro Town, Bean Valley, and Barrel Volcano are in the one that looks like a liver. I have some other versions of the map where Toad Town is more southwesterly, giving more room for Forever Forest, and I'll try to get it closer to that in the next revision.
To the north is World 6 from SMB3, which at the time I labeled as Sherbet Land, but I may change it back to Ice(d) Land later. Shiver City is northwest, the Crystal Palace is northeast, and Starborn Valley is off the map farther north, possibly on the North Pole.
Since this is only a partial map, many places are still off the map, including Jewelry Land from Yoshi's Safari, Sarasaland, the Beanbean Kingdom, and the Waffle Kingdom (which I'm assuming does really exist), all of which have their directions marked on the edges of the map.
Originally, I made it a point not to label the compass with directions, but I think it's probably safe to say that up is north, right is east, etc. Also, while I tried to use a different color for each territory, the fact that two of them have the same color does not necessarily imply anything about their common allegiances. Also, the colors imply nothing about the territories themselves; though you can probably see a few where I did intentionally choose the color based on the area itself, I mostly chose them just because they looked good in that location.
Finally, feel free to challenge (or praise) me on any decisions with the map (but be prepared for a good deal of answers that are just "I liked it better that way").
Post by: CrossEyed7 on October 08, 2007, 06:06:35 AM
Also, I may move Diamond City to Jewelry Land, for obvious reasons.
I really wish I had Super Mario Land 2 and Wario Land 1 - 3, because I haven't been able to find decent map information about them anywhere.
Post by: MaxVance on October 08, 2007, 02:37:01 PM
Post by: Reading on October 08, 2007, 05:59:41 PM
I think the areas in SM64 were described as "painting worlds" a few times, and in the guide, it states that Bowser may be planning to expand the painting worlds "so that they encompass all of reality". I'm not exactly sure how reliable the guide is, but this and other hints within the game seem to imply that the SM64 levels are not actual places.
There seems to be some discrepancy with your map about the locations in Paper Mario. On the northern Mushroom Kingdom continent, Dry Dry Desert seems to be the same place as World 2 in SMB3. Would Grass Land, then, be the location of the Koopa Bros.'s fortress? I don't see any room where Gusty Gulch and Tubba Blubba's Castle would fit in, since in the PM map they are between the two places I just mentioned. The red rose-shaped area above Toad Town I'm assuming is Flower Fields, correct? You said "pretend there's a river" for the Toad Town port, but in the PM map, Toad Town seems to be at the southern edge of a continent, with Lavalava Island below that, which doesn't seem to be on this map at all.
Speaking of "a red rose-shaped area", there's lots of areas on both main continents that are unlabled. Are you going to fill those in eventually?
The Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time areas don't seem to be on the map. They're all within the Mushroom Kingdom, but that game's map seems somewhat inconsistant and cramped; Star Hill is to the north of Toad Town, Gritzy Desert is to the northeast of Hollijolli Village, etc...and since there doesn't seem to be much space between locations on that map, it leads me to believe that those aren't the actual locations of the places, they're just there on the map because that's where the heroes go to. Though, it's possible that Hollijolli Village is indeed to the southwest of Gritzy Desert, since you climb up to it in the first part of the game, which may mean that it's just cold because it's at a high elevation. Though, given the village's Christmas theme, it's possible that it's near the North Pole, possibly close to Starborn Valley. These locations do have to fit in somewhere; Gritzy Desert probably isn't the same desert as Dry Dry Desert, and Toadwood Forest probably isn't connected to Forever Forest or whatever. I mention the forests because Professor E. Gadd mentions a location called Boo Woods in the game that he says he will build a new laboratory at. This is obviously the setting of Luigi's Mansion, so I'm not exactly sure where Boo Woods would be.
About the Beanbean Kingdom, yeah, it needs to connect with the Mushroom Kingdom at some point since Stardust Fields is owned partly by both kingdoms; the Beanbean Kingdom is to the south of the Mushroom Kingdom (possibly southwest).
I believe Wario Land 1 takes place on an island called Kitchen Island (or was that 2? Or something?). There's a map screen in Wario Land 3. Sarasaland is made of four kingdoms, so if there's any maps/hints in the game, you should use those. Super Mario Land 2's setting is called "Mario Land", which I assume to be an island as well. Since you don't have any of these games (and neither do I, except for having WL3 for a short period of time), there may be some resources/clarity for these maps at the Super Mario Wiki you could use.
About the map itself in general: I remember reading somewhere that the Mushroom Kingdom is a "gateway" to the Mushroom World, which is where the seven worlds (not including Bowser's world) in SMB3 are. That may mean they aren't connected to the Mushroom Kingdom's mainland, but I don't think there's any way to know for sure, and all this "Kingdom"/"World" business is quite confusing in the first place.
Not to compete with you or anything, but I've been thinking for a while of making a map of the Mushroom World myself. Though, I intended to include some places from my fan-fiction since that's what I was going to use it for. Would you mind if I borrowed a few elements from your map for the game locations?
Post by: Toad on October 08, 2007, 06:22:03 PM
The Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time areas don't seem to be on the map. They're all within the Mushroom Kingdom, but that game's map seems somewhat inconsistant and cramped; Star Hill is to the north of Toad Town..
Wait a second.. Star Hill was in Mario RPG first, and it was to the South/Southwest of the Mushroom Kingdom. I guess that would make the map in M&L2 a bit insonsistant.
I just confused myself.. I think I need to make a map as well.
Post by: CrossEyed7 on October 09, 2007, 12:40:37 PM
I never had an SM64 guide, and I'm about 6 hours away from my SM64 manual, so I can't check it, but I had always just assumed that some of the paintings were of actual places, and they became portals to those places. Part of the motivation is the fact that some of them have shown up in spin-offs, and my ideal goal is to get every Mario place ever shown represented on the map (excluding the party games, because those are just too ridiculous). However, none of them have any integral locations; in a map I made a while ago, which wasn't nearly as good, the worlds that were represented were either insignificant islands or little dots in places that would have been on the map anyway.
I'm not totally sure about the location of Flower Fields, since it could really be anywhere. I know it has a set location on the PM map, but if it's really only accessible through the door in the garden, it seems like it ought to be more remote, just like I moved Fahr Outpost way off of its original location on the Magical Map. The red rose-shaped area would be a good location, now that I think of it. Originally, I was just trying to make it look like a Fire Flower from SMW for no real reason. (Incidentally, I'm not totally sure yet on the scale of the map. I do think that this section represents around 1/4 or 1/5 of the planet, but I'm not sure how big the planet is, since Mario Galaxy will surely show that in the Mushroom Universe, planets can have whatever gravity they want, regardless of size.)
I'm planning on leaving a lot of the sections unlabeled, to give the map more longevity, since Nintendo's bound to introduce dozens more places in the next few years. They're intended to mainly represent the unnamed (AFAIK) worlds in SMB, SMBTLL, and SMB Special on the PC-88, with around 8 more to be safe. (I'm still working on the worlds from NSMB, but I've placed most of them in a semi-logical arrangement in pre-existing locations)
I also think that the "map" in Partners in Time is primarily representative, and doesn't necessarily mean that the locations are in the directions shown from each other, and most of them almost certainly aren't that close together. When I work on the second good version of the map this weekend, I'm going to try to focus mainly on PM, PiT, and the Beanbean Kingdom's location in relation to the Mushroom Kingdom.
One of the biggest things I'm struggling with is what relation Star Hill from SMRPG, Shooting Star Summit from PM, Stardust Fields from SS, and Star Hill from PiT have to each other. Fortunately, as far as I can recall, Superstar Saga is the only game that explicitly gives compass directions, meaning that I can rotate the other ones as much as I want, within reason. My theory now is that the big body of water in the center of SMRPG's world map isn't really there, and is instead where several PM locations are, including Shooting Star Summit and the surrounding purple starry land, which leads to Star Hill. PiT shows the castle side of Star Hill, going through SSS, while SMRPG shows the far side of it. However, that's probably inconsistent with the actual game somehow, and I really need to play it again over the weekend to refresh my memory. Meanwhile, Stardust Fields is an unconnected location to the south. Or north.
Though I've never played Super Mario Land 2, I've previously tried to explain it by saying that after SMB, Mario took up residence in one of the end-level castles to hold it until the Mushroom People could repopulate the area, since it's the best explanation I've thought of for why Mario suddenly has a personal castle, and then never has it again. However, since I've never played it, I have no real idea how well the in-game map screens fit with that theory. Hopefully the Super Mario Wiki has some maps or explanations of it and the other games. I don't think they did the last time I checked, but they are expanding pretty fast.
I do have Warioland 4, but I'm not sure whether those places are real. Whether they are might depend on where I decide to put the pyramid itself, and vice-versa. That might have to wait until a later version of the map, after I've placed the deserts and decided where Diamond City is, since the pyramid is shown to be somewhere that Wario can drive to, and he goes through a desert on the way.
I really don't have any good theories as to what the "gateway to the Mushroom World" thing means. I do tend to take a more selective approach with older Mario canon, since they probably hadn't standardized all the names back then, so it's really hard to know what they meant in 1988 by "Mushroom Kingdom" and "Mushroom World." Still, I'll research that as much as I can, and hopefully pull something useful out of it.
And feel free to borrow stuff from the map, as long as you give me a cut of the profit. :) I wouldn't consider it competition at all, just getting more perspectives, which I could really use, seeing as I'm the guy who once wrote up a 100-page long timeline about how everything Mario fits together, then realized that the thing I had based it all on was a year off. If I'm not checked, I'll get way too deep into my imperfect opinions, and no one wants to see that.
Incidentally, I've heard World 2 of SMB3 referred to as the Koophari Desert before. Does anyone know the origins of that?
Post by: The Chef on October 09, 2007, 01:44:23 PM
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Though I've never played Super Mario Land 2, I've previously tried to explain it by saying that after SMB, Mario took up residence in one of the end-level castles to hold it until the Mushroom People could repopulate the area, since it's the best explanation I've thought of for why Mario suddenly has a personal castle, and then never has it again. However, since I've never played it, I have no real idea how well the in-game map screens fit with that theory. Hopefully the Super Mario Wiki has some maps or explanations of it and the other games. I don't think they did the last time I checked, but they are expanding pretty fast.
Trust me. It doesn't fit at all. Mario Land is it's own kingdom. While it contains various Mushroom Kingdom properties, such as the Mushrooms, Fire Flowers and Starmen, as well as Goombas and Koopas, everything else in the game seems to be exclusive, aside from Tatanga's appearance as the boss of Space Zone, which is basically just a solidification of SML2's place as a sequel.
Post by: Toad on October 09, 2007, 05:55:57 PM
Incidentally, I've heard World 2 of SMB3 referred to as the Koophari Desert before. Does anyone know the origins of that?
It came from early copies of SMB3 for the NES having different location names in the credits (there's a page on TMK somewhere about the differences. I'll find it unless someone else finds it first..)
It was also in the movie, but as the movie came about in 1993, and SMB3 came in.. 1989? (I forget what year). Also, the SMB3 cartoon called it the Koopahari.
What I want to know is where do the tracks from Mario Kart games fit in? (ie: Kalimari Desert? Royal Raceway? Mario Circuit [NGC]?) Most of the tracks within the MK games are inconsistant with themselves, so it would be hard to add them to any sort of map.
And the stadiums/golf courses in the Tennis/Golf games (and the locations in Mario Baseball)..
Post by: Chupperson Weird on October 09, 2007, 10:35:36 PM
Post by: CrossEyed7 on October 09, 2007, 10:47:48 PM
As for Mario Kart tracks, which are pretty much the only thing I can comment on here, as I haven't yet played Power Tennis or Superstar Baseball, I get the feeling that most of them aren't permanent - especially the one around Peach's castle, which changes every year, and happened to not be visible in pretty much any game that features the castle. A bit wasteful for them, but it makes my job easier. However, I would like to try to mark the "previous" locations of most tracks on the final map.
Also, after getting sidetracked on SMWiki several times, I really want to play Super Princess Peach. Which reminds me, I should probably move Vibe Island closer to Dinosaur World, considering it has so many SMW enemies.
Post by: MaxVance on October 10, 2007, 05:24:43 AM
Post by: Toad on October 11, 2007, 05:05:45 PM
That is incorrect. The original version of SMB3 calls it Desert Hill (see also: MKDS), and the second version of SMB3 calls it Desert Land. Never is it referred to as the Koopahari Desert.
I was sure I saw some game text reffering it to the Koopahari..
I just thought of something else too: locations in the Mario Party games. Do you really think they are in a different world (as MP6 would have you believe) or do you think they are just in the Mario world that we already know and love?
Post by: Reading on October 11, 2007, 06:39:24 PM
I was sure I saw some game text reffering it to the Koopahari..
I just thought of something else too: locations in the Mario Party games. Do you really think they are in a different world (as MP6 would have you believe) or do you think they are just in the Mario world that we already know and love?
The only reference (as far as I remember) to World 2 in the in-game SMB3 text is when Peach mentions the "sand dunes" in a letter. Also, the SMA4 guide I have refers to it as the Koopahari only once, and not even in the World 2 section, so I think "Koopahari" was something created later (There's also a Japanese-only SMA4 e-Reader level called "Koopahari Desert" that we were unfortunately deprived of along with the rest...not exactly sure if this has a meaning for the issue, though. Speaking of which, are those e-Reader levels real places, that is, canon?).
Hmm, the Mario Party games...well, I guess we could say that they're the deserts, grasslands, etc. from all the Mario games, but...with spaces all over them? The general concept of the "board game" style leads me to believe that they're some kind of simulated environments, or possibly, like you said, in another world (perhaps there's a Mario Party dimension they travel to whenever they want to have a party? That would make a great idea for my website fan-fiction...).
Post by: Chupperson Weird on October 11, 2007, 09:10:03 PM
Post by: Reading on October 12, 2007, 04:22:54 PM
Hey, I just got an idea for a thread.
Post by: CrossEyed7 on October 13, 2007, 11:18:04 PM
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Sarasaland is pretty straightfoward, though I am a little proud of the little themed pictures I added to the areas, which you can't make out at this size. If anyone cares, I could upload a close-up of it, or pretty much any other place on the map.
The northern Mushroom Kingdom continent is mostly the same, but there are some notable changes. First, I've decided for the time being that Star Hill from SMRPG and Shooting Star Summit from PM are different places. Not as simple and clean as I'd like, but it'll have to do for now. I've added the Koopahari Desert as a desert connected to Dry Dry Desert, right outside Mushroom City, which, admittedly, was inspired by the Mario movie. I decided to make a compromise between conflicting sources of dubious canonicity. The two deserts are connected by Shifting Sand Land. Hollijolli Village is at the very north of the continent, and Flower Fields is isolated in the northwest. Also, World 6 has reverted to the name Iced Land, as I have recently realized that Sherbet Land is actually on Kitchen Island. Finally, Gusty Gulch is around the border between Dry Dry Desert and the rest of the continent.
The southern continent has Gritzy Desert, because I figured the north one had enough desert land already. It's also had the Beanbean Kingdom transplanted onto the bottom of it, and the areas from the Donkey Kong Country games are nearby.
Jewelry Land is represented as accurately as I can until Yoshi's Safari comes to the virtual console. In addition to adding Diamond City to it, I also added the areas from Wario World, as well as Kitchen Island from Wario Land 1. I don't know where Wario Land II is supposed to be set, but Wario Land 3 is inside a bunch of toyboxes, so that doesn't need to be added. As for Warioland 4, I've decided for now that the levels aren't real, though there's probably plenty of space to add them someday, and the Golden Pyramid is to the southwest of the Wario World areas, inside Dino Dino Jungle from Double Dash. My theory was that the pyramid had some kind of time seal on it, keeping the Golden Diva, Shokora, and the bosses perfectly preserved for however long, and the seal leaked into the surrounding area, and so dinosaurs were still around. Kind of stupid, I know. Anyway, I like how Kitchen Island turned out, but I think I made it way too big. And I also made Vibe Island (which I placed near Dinosaur Land, since it has so many SMW enemies) too small -- it ought to be at least as big as Yoshi's Island. Size wasn't really a major issue when I was making this map.
Don't pay any major attention to the Waffle Kingdom sites; I realized, after I inked everything in, that Luigi gave compass directions for most of the locations. The ones I've been able to reread so far have coincidentally been moderately close to the right places, but they'll need some major revision the next time I revisit the map (For example, I placed the Rapturous Ruins on the Strudel Continent, but they're actually supposed to be "beyond the northernmost sea.").
The main thing on my mind right now is whether Shooting Star Summit and Stardust Fields should be merged, which would drastically change some layouts. I decided not to think about it too hard yet, especially since we'll probably get some shots of the Mushroom Planet in Mario Galaxy, which may solve some of our problems. Also, I know I forgot to add some places, including Thwomp Volcano and Lavalava Island. As always, I'm very open to any comments, criticisms, or praises.
Post by: spamspamspamspam on October 15, 2007, 03:05:24 PM
Post by: Reading on October 15, 2007, 04:55:08 PM
If anyone cares, I could upload a close-up of it, or pretty much any other place on the map.
There's a lot of places on that map whose names are too small to read at this size...those islands to the right of the South Mushroom Kingdom/Beanbean Kingdom, and the Wario World places as well as that orange place on the S. Mushroom Kingdom continent. Could you say what they are? (Also, is that island to the west of Giant Land anything?) I don't think Shooting Star Summit and Stardust Fields should be merged; Stardust Fields is to the south, shared with the Beanbean Kingdom, and SSS is north of Peach's Castle, so it's unlikely they're close together.
I'm starting to work on my own map like I said, and I've made a list of all the places from the following Mario games: SMB, tLL, SMB3, SMW, SMW2, SMRPG, PM, SMS (Isle Delfino), M&L SS, PM: tTYD, and M&L PiT. I've also included "miscellaneous" locations, which are Sarasaland, Kitchen Island, the Waffle Kingdom, Luigi's Mansion/Boo Woods, Vibe Island, and Jewelry Land/Diamond City. Since I've almost never played any Wario games, I've put down Wario World as well but didn't include any locations, since the places from Wario games don't have much signifigance in anything I'm using the map for. Did I miss anything else?
Post by: CrossEyed7 on October 15, 2007, 05:31:32 PM
I don't recall whether compass directions were ever given in PM. M&L had several overworld locations named by their compass directions, such as "NW Beanbean," but I don't know whether any other game, other than Luigi's recaps of his adventures in TTYD, gave labeled compass directions. The main reason I've decided SSS and SDF should be separate is because if they're connected, the Beanbean Kingdom seems far too close to Toad Town to require the Koopa Cruiser to get there.
Here's an album with all the close-up shots I took so far: http://messiah.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2032044&l=efaee&id=55303319 (http://messiah.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2032044&l=efaee&id=55303319)
Post by: spamspamspamspam on October 16, 2007, 04:03:31 PM
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Key:1.Toadtown, 2.Bean-Bean Town, 3.Rogueport, 4.Yoshi's Island, 5.Delfino Isle, 6.Nimbus Kingdom, 7.Goomba Village, 8.Shooting Star Summit, 9. Dry-Dry Outpost, 10.Boo Mansion, 11.Gusty Gulch, 12.Tadpole Pond, 13.Rosetown, 14.Moleville, 15.Joke's End, 16.Shiver City, 17.Koopa Village, 18.Little Fungitown, 19.Booster Tower, 20.Luigi's Mansion, 21.Lavalava Island, 22.Petalburg, 23.The Great Tree, 24.Fahr Outpost, 25.Twilight Town, 26.Poshley Heights, 27.Keelhaul Key, 28.Monstrotown, 29.Thwomp Volcano,
30.Hollijolli Village, 31.Diamond City, 32.Marrymore, 33.Seaside Town, 34.Bowser's Castle.
Regions: (Note Bean-Bean, Koopa, Co-owned Mushroom/Beanbean)
A.Mushroom Major, B.Boo Woods, C.Dry-Dry Desert, D.Yoshi Islands, E.Koopa Kingdom, F.Bean-Bean Kingdom, G.Shiver Region, H.Toadwood Forest, I.TeeHee Valley, J.Stardust Fields, K.Chucklehuck Woods, L.Boggly Woods, M.Petal Meadows, N.Mushroom Minor, O.Hoohoroo Mountain, P.Bean Valley, Q.Gwarhar Lagoon
Post by: spamspamspamspam on October 16, 2007, 04:52:57 PM
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Post by: CrossEyed7 on October 16, 2007, 07:55:18 PM
I think you probably did a better job of combining SMRPG and PM than I did. The only problem I have with it is that I had always pictured Nimbus Land being closer to Bowser's Castle, partly to make the bus a more obvious solution, and partly because Barrel Volcano seems like it fits better in Bowser-type land.
Have you put much thought yet into how to make it work with the SMA4 map? It's a great map on its own, but without a Grass Land above (in some direction) a desert, an ice land above (same direction) both of them, and Dark Land to the right of up, it doesn't mesh with "canon."
Were you planning on including the other islands in SMW around Yoshi's Island, or just leaving them implied?
Also, maybe this is just hammerspace-type stuff, but the Beanbean Kingdom seems too close to Toad Town for Mario and Luigi to have to fly there, when Mario regularly covered, by this map, twice that distance by foot in SMRPG.
Post by: spamspamspamspam on October 17, 2007, 05:09:09 PM
Were you planning on including the other islands in SMW around Yoshi's Island, or just leaving them implied?
Also, maybe this is just hammerspace-type stuff, but the Beanbean Kingdom seems too close to Toad Town for Mario and Luigi to have to fly there, when Mario regularly covered, by this map, twice that distance by foot in SMRPG.
Yeah, they're implied, along with the islands surrounding Delfino.
And The Bean-Bean thing, they would prefer flying because its faster, and most of the country surrounding the Mushroom/Bean-Bean Border is Mountainous.
Post by: The Great Gonzales on October 22, 2007, 06:44:44 PM
Post by: CrossEyed7 on November 02, 2007, 09:53:10 AM
Why was Rosetta's name changed to Rosalina for the American version of Mario Galaxy? Are we going to have another name reconciliation in 10 years?
Post by: MaxVance on November 02, 2007, 01:14:48 PM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on November 03, 2007, 12:36:43 AM
Post by: Toad on November 03, 2007, 12:10:17 PM
Post by: Nintendoobsessed on November 03, 2007, 12:15:04 PM
Post by: N64 Chick on November 03, 2007, 01:16:21 PM
Post by: Toad on November 03, 2007, 03:25:07 PM
Now, a new Mariology question: I think that Mario Galaxy deals with where the Starmen of the Mushroom Kingdom come from. During the intro, Peach is holding a small, silver star with eyes. When Bowser flies in on the airships, Peach tries to hide the eyes of the silver star, as if trying both to hide it from Bowser and to keep it from seeing Bowser itself.
I put that in spoilers because it deals with the intro to Mario Galaxy, and don't want to spoil it for those who have not seen. We can speculate more freely in just over a week. :D
Post by: alex-tomcool on November 04, 2007, 12:57:06 PM
if you can help me anyway you know how please do. thank you
Post by: MaxVance on November 04, 2007, 01:39:30 PM
Post by: Kojinka on November 04, 2007, 03:12:05 PM
Post by: The Chef on November 04, 2007, 03:13:40 PM
Post by: Mr.Toadsworth on November 05, 2007, 02:44:57 PM
Post by: N64 Chick on November 05, 2007, 05:42:39 PM
Unless we're talking about adopting. In that case, ignore what I just said.
Post by: Chupperson Weird on November 06, 2007, 12:29:46 AM
Mario games, ladies and gentlemen.
Post by: Ambulance Y on November 06, 2007, 04:34:57 PM
Oh, and don't think of me as a huge stoner, I just think maybe some Nintendo employees were "partying" a bit before one of their brain-storming sessions back in the early 1980s. Eh?
Post by: Chupperson Weird on November 06, 2007, 11:36:04 PM
Post by: Mr.Toadsworth on November 08, 2007, 07:47:43 PM
Post by: Ambulance Y on November 09, 2007, 05:08:19 PM
Actually it was Alice in Wonderland references. I don't think Miyamoto knew that Alice in Wonderland was a drug reference.
Well I think we can all agree that Alice in Wonderland was a drug reference. A caterpillar is actually smoking a hookah in chapter five.
"The Caterpillar and Alice looked at each other for some time in silence: at last the Caterpillar took the hookah out of its mouth, and addressed her in a languid sleepy voice. "
That's direct from the text, people!
Post by: Chupperson Weird on November 09, 2007, 07:34:05 PM
Post by: Mr.Toadsworth on November 09, 2007, 07:48:51 PM
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Post by: kirbyman on November 17, 2007, 09:55:12 AM
I have no clue.
Post by: Linkin800 on November 20, 2007, 09:54:38 PM
1. the Mushroom Kingdom
2. Broklin (spell't wrong i think)
in the Yoshi's island games it says Mario was born in the Mushroom Kingdom with 2 Toad's for parents.
But in the older mario games it says that Mario was from Broklin and found a way to the Mushroom Kingdom from a pipe. So i think that Nintnedo wants us to belive the Yoshi's island one's since thier more new then the other story. Well anyways it dosent really matter to me where he's from as long as Nintendo keeps up with the good work that's all i care about :)
Post by: Chupperson Weird on November 20, 2007, 09:57:02 PM
Post by: Linkin800 on November 21, 2007, 01:48:28 PM
Actually, none of the games ever support the Brooklyn theory.
Huh i thought someone told me that that was the story for the older Mario games. Like Donkey Kong and Mario Bros and Super Mario Bros. I guess i was off for the Super Mario Bros one O_o
Post by: Kojinka on November 21, 2007, 10:58:18 PM
Post by: Nintendoobsessed on November 22, 2007, 09:26:33 AM
Post by: Corleone on November 23, 2007, 03:01:26 PM
Post by: The Chef on November 23, 2007, 05:57:21 PM
I theorized that one of Mario's parents was a Brooklynite who found his way to the Mushroom Kingdom, and the other was a full on Mushroom Kingdom resident. That said, after the fiasco in Yoshi's Island and Yoshi's Island DS, they decided to move to Brooklyn to be safe. Mario and Luigi later discover the same portal used by their parents. Simple as that.
It could also work as both parents being from Brooklyn and finding the Mushroom Kingdom. Or maybe Mario had an ancestor who found the Mushroom Kingdom in ancient times and was responsible for the creation of the Warp Pipes, thus prompting his descendant's later return.
Post by: spamspamspamspam on November 24, 2007, 04:58:51 PM
Post by: The Chef on November 24, 2007, 05:25:39 PM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on November 25, 2007, 01:56:26 AM
Post by: spamspamspamspam on November 25, 2007, 06:39:09 AM
There isn't one.We were just saying if there is one.
Post by: The Chef on November 25, 2007, 11:15:43 AM
Post by: Kojinka on November 25, 2007, 05:53:12 PM
Post by: CrossEyed7 on November 28, 2007, 02:56:04 PM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on November 28, 2007, 05:03:25 PM
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Post by: MEGAߥTE on November 28, 2007, 11:40:40 PM
Post by: CrossEyed7 on November 29, 2007, 12:46:35 AM
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chupnet.com%2Fluigi.png&hash=f8fbaf8966b9bb2c72c5b1300140ce45)Really? Huh. Well, never mind. Maybe the ending of Super Mario World would count.
Post by: Toad on December 01, 2007, 05:53:08 PM
in the Yoshi's island games it says Mario was born in the Mushroom Kingdom with 2 Toad's for parents.
That may be wrong.. We can't see the upper half of the parents during the ending for YI. For all we know, the parents aren't mushroom people, but humans living in the Mushroom Kingdom. Yes they do live in a mushroom house and all..
Post by: spamspamspamspam on December 30, 2007, 12:37:16 PM
Post by: FireL on December 30, 2007, 02:33:05 PM
Makes sense when you see Goombas on different planets.
Post by: The Chef on December 30, 2007, 08:04:45 PM
Post by: ~Lavender on January 02, 2008, 06:15:51 PM
Well, I have a question on spinoffs.
Usually in Mario spinoffs, like the sports...party games etc..there is the original group of characters (Mario, Luigi, Peach, Yoshi..) then you have a few extras like Daisy, Waluigi, and a few others.
Well, lets take Daisy and Waluigi for example. The only time you ever see them is in Spinoffs, they are NEVER in the RPG's or story games, or any original adventure game for Mario.
It started to make me wonder, are they even real? I know it's sort of a dumb question but...if Spinoffs are made just for fun, and have nothing to do wit h the canon or permanent story arc, then their really just nothing but extra characters for the non-canon games.
Its like...they don't even exist or something. I know Daisy came out in Super Mario Land, which is pretty much a story arc game (I think) but still, it seems like she, waluigi, and other of the spinoff characters don't really exist. And they are only around for the unserious or noncanon series.
Maybe its true what some people say, they are just fillers afterall. It kind of makes me sad but, it's probaly the honest truth.
Post by: Chupperson Weird on January 02, 2008, 09:47:26 PM
Post by: ~Lavender on January 02, 2008, 11:46:57 PM
Post by: Koopaslaya on January 04, 2008, 11:26:37 PM
Take this (http://www.themushroomkingdom.net/kongtroversy.shtml) for instance. What is "cannon" what isn't? It is impossible to tell, as far as I reckon. I side with Chup: there's no such thing as "Mario Cannon."
Post by: ~Lavender on January 05, 2008, 12:44:37 AM
So I guess that means there is no reason to question Mario games at all, if it's not canon. Well, at least the background and stuff.
Post by: Chupperson Weird on January 05, 2008, 01:32:32 AM
Post by: Lizard Dude on January 05, 2008, 02:06:39 AM
Post by: spamspamspamspam on January 05, 2008, 11:05:03 AM
Also I get the feeling that pirhanna Plants are not actually plants, but reptiles that have evolved to have camouflage to look Like plants.
Your thoughts please?
Post by: The Chef on January 05, 2008, 12:28:09 PM
Post by: Toad on January 06, 2008, 07:07:42 PM
I sort of thought Mario Galaxy would have some kind of connection to the Mario Kart series with a Rainbow Road themed level/world/galaxy, but I guess that was just me thinking it would've been super epic (to include references to all the other Mario games..)
Post by: Presidente on January 06, 2008, 08:04:12 PM
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Post by: Chupperson Weird on January 14, 2008, 12:15:20 AM
Post by: Glitchy on January 19, 2008, 03:29:32 PM
Anyway, I've always wondered - In the intro to Super Mario Sunshine, you see the main island, (Isle Delfino), but surrounding it you see more. What possibly can these islands be?
Post by: CrossEyed7 on January 19, 2008, 05:52:17 PM
*didn't like Sunshine*
Post by: Lizard Dude on January 20, 2008, 04:49:03 AM
Post by: Toad on February 01, 2008, 04:29:51 PM
To slay a dragon that breathes fire, you must rip it's heart out (this particular dragon had it's heart in it's throat, literally). The dragon that Beowulf was tying to slay had a weak point in it's neck, and during the fight, Beowulf reached through that weak point to grab the heart, subsequentially killing the dragon.
Bowser wears those leather studded things to keep the Mario Bros from getting to his weakest points: ankles, wrists and neck. If Harry Potter had known about this, his arm wouldn't have become poisened during the fight with the basilisk.. but a basilisk isn't a full grown dragon anyway (not a dragon at all, I believe).
Post by: Chupperson Weird on February 01, 2008, 05:10:17 PM
Post by: Toad on February 01, 2008, 05:14:48 PM
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Post by: spamspamspamspam on February 02, 2008, 09:09:42 PM
Post by: Robert on February 02, 2008, 09:14:28 PM
And I think that Bowser may really be the clumsy idiot we see him as in the RPGS. When he goes to kidnap the princess or when Mario shows up to rescue the princess, he puts on the viscious tyrant act.
Actually, I can remember some other times where he met with Mario and acted like a clumsy idiot. For example, in SM64, when you first fight him in the Dark World, he blatantly tells you his weakpoint is to grab him by the tail and throw him into a bomb. How moronic is that?
Post by: Toad on February 03, 2008, 04:31:39 PM
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Post by: spamspamspamspam on February 06, 2008, 02:14:59 PM
Post by: Kojinka on February 07, 2008, 11:28:08 PM
I found this quote in the Mario Wiki. All I can say is, Pics or it didn't happen.
Post by: Chupperson Weird on February 07, 2008, 11:29:25 PM
Post by: Kojinka on February 07, 2008, 11:48:08 PM
Uhh what, you never played Donkey Kong Jr.? It's actually another Mario sprite so who knows.I've played it on eReader, but not the original arcade version
Post by: MEGAߥTE on February 08, 2008, 01:56:06 AM
Post by: megamush on February 08, 2008, 07:02:59 AM
And I think that Bowser may really be the clumsy idiot we see him as in the RPGS. When he goes to kidnap the princess or when Mario shows up to rescue the princess, he puts on the viscious tyrant act.act?
Post by: Robert on February 09, 2008, 10:19:20 AM
If the Comet Observatory can be used to rocket Mario to Levels, then why don't they just rocket him to specific points in the levels, like directly to the stars? Case in point: the Bowser stages. Why do they place him at the beginning of an obstacle course? Can't they just rocket him directly to Bowser? And I know it is possible for the observatory to rocket him to specific points in a galaxy, such as the fast-foe star on that beach level In that star, rather then place Mario on the usual starting point on the beach, they just take him to the stone structure in the sky with the thwomps and toy boxes.
Post by: megamush on February 09, 2008, 11:20:31 AM
Post by: Robert on February 09, 2008, 12:41:34 PM
maybe there is a glitch or cheat that lets you do that!
I highly doubt that. Besides, it would be too easy if they directly took you to stars (no challenge would be involved). I was wondering why making Mario through the levels make sense in the context of the story.
Post by: Kojinka on February 09, 2008, 03:18:54 PM
Post by: Toad on February 09, 2008, 03:20:33 PM
I was wondering why making Mario through the levels make sense in the context of the story.
This is obviously where Mario is searching next for the answers that he needs. It's like in Super Mario World, why didn't Mario just swim out to the middle of the ocean to trigger the opening to the Valley of Bowser? He didn't know until that point where the Princess was.
It's also like trying to skip sections in other games (like Zelda, or an RPG) before doing actions before-hand: Yes, we know Link needs to visit the Great Deku Tree, but he won't know until he talks to Mido what to do (ie: get a sword, get a shield!)
That and if there were no levels, there would be no game. How much fun would it be just to make Mario run around the observatory and being launched directly to the Stars?
Post by: The Chef on February 09, 2008, 07:27:23 PM
Here's something to talk about: how do those floating ? boxes work? Who put the items in them? And why do they look so solid even though there doesn't appear to be any opening for the item to come out? How hard are they to punch?
Post by: Chupperson Weird on February 09, 2008, 08:09:32 PM
Post by: Kojinka on February 09, 2008, 08:31:42 PM
I noticed the third and fourth players on the SMA versions of Mario Bros. I know they're just recolors to portray players three and four, but in Mariology, has anyone ever wondered who those two guys are? I noticed that the blue one looks kind of like Luigi from the anime movie, but with the shirt and overalls colors swappedrepost
Post by: ShadowBrain on February 09, 2008, 09:28:19 PM
If the Comet Observatory can be used to rocket Mario to Levels, then why don't they just rocket him to specific points in the levels, like directly to the stars?Well, first of all, who is "they"? Besides, it's not like the... observatories, or Lumas, or whatever know where the stars are. They just shoot you into the galaxy and hope you can figure it out yourself, I guess.
Post by: The Chef on February 09, 2008, 09:35:49 PM
Bowser put the items in them because they're really Toads.
Except that only seemed to apply to the first SMB. There's even a block research center in Mario & Luigi, but it still doesn't explain how the blocks work.
Post by: ShadowBrain on February 09, 2008, 09:39:57 PM
Post by: CrossEyed7 on February 10, 2008, 10:53:20 AM
I noticed the third and fourth players on the SMA versions of Mario Bros. I know they're just recolors to portray players three and four, but in Mariology, has anyone ever wondered who those two guys are? I noticed that the blue one looks kind of like Luigi from the anime movie, but with the shirt and overalls colors swapped
The weird thing is that in beta shots, I'm pretty sure they had Wario and Waluigi's colors, so they apparently consciously decided against that. In the manual, they're all referred to as different colored Marios, but the green one is pretty clearly Luigi. Granted, they all have Ms on their hats on the results screen, but that could just be chalked up to anti-Luigi bias on Nintendo's part.
Anyway, I think the blue one is Stanley the Bugman.
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.themushroomkingdom.net%2Fimages%2Fss%2Fss_sma_pre32.gif&hash=49af72a5543e4cdb3a1898bc9776f0fb)
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mariowiki.com%2Fimages%2F3%2F3e%2FTrophy282.PNG&hash=e76e36e02b67e315fd8d5db87dac1661)
He also resembles the second guy from the left on here:
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mariowiki.com%2Fimages%2F0%2F0a%2FWarioSMBSS.jpg&hash=6679d59bd83fb962eccabe1e059cfbae)
Not sure who the yellow one is, though. Closest I've found so far is Joe from Mario Golf, and he doesn't even have a mustache.
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mariowiki.com%2Fimages%2Ff%2Ff3%2FJoe.gif&hash=3a9fec393c7c405575f54d4076c94406)
Post by: Kojinka on February 10, 2008, 01:36:01 PM
Post by: spamspamspamspam on February 22, 2008, 05:46:54 PM
- I think that Luigi is only 10 1/2 months younger than Mario
-However, when we see Baby Mario and Baby Bowser, Baby Mario is 1 nearing 2 and Baby Bowser is probably 4, as that would explain why he's able to speak the same for Bowser Jr.
- Mario's current age is around 36 years old and Luigi is 35.
Post by: Chupperson Weird on February 22, 2008, 06:17:22 PM
Post by: ShadowBrain on February 22, 2008, 06:31:31 PM
Since noone has anything to say roght now, I thought I'd say a few things on my mind....
Post by: The Chef on February 22, 2008, 09:49:06 PM
Post by: silverstarman on February 23, 2008, 06:57:35 AM
Post by: CrossEyed7 on February 23, 2008, 09:05:41 PM
But just for fun...
Daisy was around 21 in the SMB movie (the titles place her being dropped off at St. Teresa's 20 years before the movie, and she looked to be around 1 at the time), and was Luigi's love interest. According to XKCD's Standard Creepiness Rule (http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/dating_pools.png (http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/dating_pools.png)), that means Luigi must have been between the ages of 17.5 and 28 at the time. Assuming that Mario and Luigi are twins, as per Yoshi's Island, they obviously must be the same age. For Mario to look like Bob Hoskins did, their age must be toward the older end of the spectrum.
The SMB movie represents Mario and Luigi's first entrance to the Mushroom Kingdom. In current games, Mario and Luigi are very familiar with the kingdom and their reputation has become common knowledge virtually everywhere. They've probably been there for at least ten years, putting them around 35 - 40 right now. If the SMB movie were canon, that is. Of course, if it were, Bowser would be dead... though it's possible that Daisy's "You're not going to believe this" could have referred to Bowser somehow being revived in his current form, if they had ever gotten around to coming up with ideas for a sequel. But the movie's still not canon.
Post by: silverstarman on February 23, 2008, 09:54:20 PM
Post by: cosmic_c on February 23, 2008, 10:37:55 PM
Post by: cosmic_c on February 23, 2008, 10:39:06 PM
Post by: Kojinka on February 23, 2008, 11:05:41 PM
When I played Yoshi's Island, I figured that Mario is only a few moments older than Luigi.
As to how old they are currently, I kind of place them in their early to mid 30's.
Oh, and the fire does come from their hands, or fingers. In Smash Bros. and NSMB, they throw fireballs out of their hands, while in the early cartoons, they shoot the fireballs out of their fingers.
Post by: Chupperson Weird on February 23, 2008, 11:11:05 PM
Post by: cosmic_c on February 23, 2008, 11:19:40 PM
Post by: Bag of Magic Food on February 24, 2008, 12:00:57 AM
The SMB movie represents Mario and Luigi's first entrance to the Mushroom Kingdom. In current games, Mario and Luigi are very familiar with the kingdom and their reputation has become common knowledge virtually everywhere. They've probably been there for at least ten years, putting them around 35 - 40 right now. If the SMB movie were canon, that is.I'm still trying to come up with theories that make the DiC cartoons canon with the games somehow, along with the idea that the live-action movie's universe is a divergent timeline created when Bowser got stuck in dinosaur times at the end of Mario's Time Machine.
By the way, has anyone suggested putting some of the best ideas from this topic into the Wild Mass Guessing (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WMG/SuperMarioBros) section of TV Tropes?
Post by: cosmic_c on February 24, 2008, 01:30:53 AM
dosen't that make it invalid..... because it was horrible.... and besides let's just face it there are things you cannot explain like how DOES BOWSER CHANGE SIZE EVERY FREAKING GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AH+(H*61)!
Post by: silverstarman on February 24, 2008, 06:03:34 AM
Post by: The Chef on February 24, 2008, 08:46:54 AM
Luigi very clearly coughs out fireballs in the SMAS+SMW version of Super Mario World.That was the first and last time he's ever done that, though.
Post by: megamush on February 24, 2008, 10:08:03 AM
Post by: cosmic_c on February 24, 2008, 11:03:53 AM
Post by: N64 Chick on February 24, 2008, 11:08:05 AM
Post by: cosmic_c on February 24, 2008, 12:02:03 PM
Post by: Bag of Magic Food on February 24, 2008, 01:54:33 PM
And Super Mario Advance 2 retconned that again by changing Luigi's sprites to look more like his Super Mario Advance 1 sprites.Luigi very clearly coughs out fireballs in the SMAS+SMW version of Super Mario World.That was the first and last time he's ever done that, though.
I can forgive the developers for that, however, since it's possible they were working off the original Super Mario World and weren't aware that Luigi's graphics had already been updated.
Post by: Ultima Shadow on February 24, 2008, 11:53:56 PM
Post by: Koji_Tsunami on April 19, 2008, 10:36:09 PM
Daisy was around 21 in the SMB movie (the titles place her being dropped off at St. Teresa's 20 years before the movie, and she looked to be around 1 at the time), and was Luigi's love interest. According to XKCD's Standard Creepiness Rule (http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/dating_pools.png (http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/dating_pools.png)), that means Luigi must have been between the ages of 17.5 and 28 at the time. Assuming that Mario and Luigi are twins, as per Yoshi's Island, they obviously must be the same age. For Mario to look like Bob Hoskins did, their age must be toward the older end of the spectrum.
Ahh, but you forget, in the movie's continuity, Mario raised Luigi.
And I don't think that Yoshi's Island is any more canon than the movie, personally.
It's just that Alternate Universe Hell is fun.
Post by: Bag of Magic Food on April 20, 2008, 02:27:34 AM
Post by: Super Caterina! on April 20, 2008, 03:45:40 AM
By the way, Luigi is really a little junger then Mario officialy.
Post by: The Chef on April 20, 2008, 08:28:18 AM
Honestly, even in terms of fanon, why would anybody use the movie as a basis for anything? I say Mario is only older than Luigi solely on the basis that he was released from the Stork's bag one whole game before Luigi was.
Post by: Super Caterina! on April 20, 2008, 09:58:51 AM
Haha... "junger". Which translator did you use, Ms. Caterina? :D
Honestly, even in terms of fanon, why would anybody use the movie as a basis for anything? I say Mario is only older than Luigi solely on the basis that he was released from the Stork's bag one whole game before Luigi was.
Aahah...Sorry! XD I have made a mixture between English and German! =p
*Younger...maybe?
I have read in every spinoff games boocklets that Mario is older than Luigi! =p
Post by: The Chef on April 20, 2008, 11:26:51 AM
Not easy having all those European languages floating about in your head, eh?
Post by: silverstarman on April 20, 2008, 12:28:00 PM
Post by: Super Caterina! on April 20, 2008, 01:01:25 PM
Junge means boy. Junger probably means boyish.
It's the same of English and also the "-er" at the end have the same function! =p
Post by: frostbite on April 26, 2008, 05:59:26 PM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on April 27, 2008, 01:34:27 AM
@_@
Post by: jmdblazer on June 01, 2008, 04:32:54 PM
Post by: Bag of Magic Food on June 01, 2008, 09:54:48 PM
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Post by: Ambulance Y on June 02, 2008, 06:17:43 PM
Post by: The Chef on June 02, 2008, 06:41:41 PM
Queen Koopa is probably dead, which is why Bowser wants a new wife. He thinks Peach will make a suitable replacement.
Post by: silverstarman on June 02, 2008, 07:36:40 PM
Post by: Robert on June 02, 2008, 09:22:26 PM
Or maybe he just created them by hand (you know with the giant test-tubes, etc.)
Perhaps there were more Kooplings, but Bowser drank them by accident.
Kidding aside, if the Kooplings are clones of Bowser, then why was Wendy a girl instead of boy? Does Bowser have a feminine side? Plus, if Koopa technology is advanced enough to clone/genetically engineer children, then why do they have such a hard time killing a plumber?
Post by: Suffix on June 03, 2008, 02:32:25 AM
Even so, I don't think cloning Bowser would lead to such a wide variety of personalities, postures, and hairstyles. Bowser Jr. is a likely candidate, though.
Post by: The Chef on June 03, 2008, 01:47:46 PM
Bowser Jr., on the other hand, might actually be a clone, in the same vein as Mini-Me to Dr. Evil and Boba Fett to Jango Fett. Those Mini-Bowsers from Mario Party are probably Bowser's equivalent of the Clone Troopers.
Post by: Luigalaxy on June 03, 2008, 02:24:05 PM
As for the Koopalings... (shrugs).
Post by: Turtlekid1 on June 04, 2008, 08:19:53 AM
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Post by: Fawful Fan on August 01, 2008, 02:13:37 PM
I still think space in the Marioverse is still a vacuum, since Mario still wears a space suit occasionally. But maybe there are special oxygen nebulas, or clouds of air, that create temporary patches of "livable space" that provide air and protection from solar radiation. Or perhaps large celestial bodies in the Marioverse share an "expanded atmosphere" that spills into space. And other ideas?
Post by: Robert on August 01, 2008, 04:05:46 PM
Here's a new Mariology debate! Lately, Mario has been traveling to space and I couldn't help but notice a few things. Back in Super Mario Land II, he needed a full space suit to survive on the moon. In Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, he travels there without one. In Super Paper Mario, he needs a fishbowl to survive, while in Super Mario Galaxy he doesn't. Some gamers would just ignore this and label it an inconsistency, but being the geek I am I've been thinking about the nature of outer space in Mario's world for quite some time.
I still think space in the Marioverse is still a vacuum, since Mario still wears a space suit occasionally. But maybe there are special oxygen nebulas, or clouds of air, that create temporary patches of "livable space" that provide air and protection from solar radiation. Or perhaps large celestial bodies in the Marioverse share an "expanded atmosphere" that spills into space. And other ideas?
Rosalina mentioned at the beginning of SMG that the Luma in Mario's hat allowed Mario the survive in Outer Space. Also, in Super Paper Mario, Mario travels to another dimension, so I think it probably has different physics that would allow anyone to survive in outer space (as long as they have a breathing apparatus). As for the Thousand year door, well, maybe the Moon in Mario's world has oxygen and protection from solar radiation?
Post by: BP on August 01, 2008, 04:23:39 PM
Post by: N64 Chick on August 01, 2008, 07:21:05 PM
Rosalina mentioned at the beginning of SMG that the Luma in Mario's hat allowed Mario the survive in Outer Space.
Slight problem with that. If memory serves, she just said that it "lets him travel in space" and Mario was on that bunny planet for some time before actually meeting up with her and getting the Luma. But seeing as I've never actually played SMG myself, I'm sure I'm completely wrong.
Post by: CrossEyed7 on August 01, 2008, 09:02:11 PM
Goombella comments on the big glass dome of the X-Naut Fortress being there to hold in air, even though they were just fine outside. Then she tells you to just not think about it too much. Which is what I do with most illogical things in Mario games.That reminds me, someone on TVTropes had a theory that Mario can only breathe in space when he's not thinking about it. In TTYD, Goombella convinced him not to think about it, and he was fine. In SPM, Tippi told him he couldn't breathe, and he couldn't, but once he put on something that looked like a space helmet, he tricked himself into thinking he could.
Post by: The Chef on August 02, 2008, 10:47:58 AM
Post by: Fawful Fan on August 02, 2008, 11:29:07 AM
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That reminds me, someone on TVTropes had a theory that Mario can only breathe in space when he's not thinking about it. In TTYD, Goombella convinced him not to think about it, and he was fine. In SPM, Tippi told him he couldn't breathe, and he couldn't, but once he put on something that looked like a space helmet, he tricked himself into thinking he could.
That makes sense. It's like that cartoon law of physics where a person doesn't succumb to the laws of physics until he or she notices that they're broken. Like when a cartoon character walks off a cliff, he won't fall until he notices that he should fall.
Post by: Luigalaxy on August 02, 2008, 11:33:32 AM
Post by: CrossEyed7 on August 11, 2008, 12:46:10 PM
When the universe was recreated at the end, it basically became the theme park version (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheThemeParkVersion) of the universe as seen in the main games (SMB, SM64, SMRPG, etc.). Characters and locations were recreated that really shouldn't be coexisting, like Mario and Baby Mario, or Luigi's old mansion and Luigi's new mansion, the new Bowser was just a rude party-crasher, and the Koopalings may have gotten left out of it all.
Currently, I'm only applying this once, and the only games that I'm putting in the new alternate universe are the Sports, Kart, and possibly Party games (see below). I don't think it needs to be used to separate the 2D games, the 3D games, the M&L series, the PM series, and everything else into its own universe (or even every game, as some have suggested); but as a single, one-time event, it's the tidiest explanation I can think of for how Mario and Bowser went from mortal enemies to sharing a kart.
The Mario Party games are usually said to take place in Mario Party Land. This could be the name of the new universe, or it could be another parallel universe entirely.
Post by: The Chef on August 11, 2008, 03:26:14 PM
Post by: Turtlekid1 on August 11, 2008, 07:02:57 PM
Post by: CrossEyed7 on August 11, 2008, 08:23:22 PM
But this is different, I think. There's not multiple coexistent universes merging together or whatever, just one universe being completely replaced by a slightly different universe. And unlike the Crises, it actually simplifies things, IMO. It precludes the need to explain Bowser being clearly ready to murder Mario in one game and then helping him win a board game in the next.
I probably mentioned this before, but most major Nintendo franchises do already seem to be in the same universe as Mario (Zelda, F-Zero, Metroid, Pikmin, and maybe Star Fox), even counting Smash as completely non-canon, as I do.
Post by: The Chef on August 12, 2008, 08:33:31 AM
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Post by: MushroomJunkie on August 14, 2008, 06:43:00 AM
Post by: Suffix on August 17, 2008, 11:48:34 PM
Post by: MushroomJunkie on August 18, 2008, 08:10:48 AM
'The Dark World Creature Conspiracy', and it will be very exclusive where pending members will be exetremly considered for membership.
Post by: Suffix on August 18, 2008, 09:25:54 AM
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Post by: MushroomJunkie on August 18, 2008, 01:48:36 PM
Post by: SushieBoy on August 18, 2008, 02:13:33 PM
But Bowser doesn't even like Jerky... my money is on flame-breath-broiled Goomba Burgers... Bowser could start a fast food chain!
You never played Mario Party 6.
Or watched that episode of the SMW cartoon.
Post by: Turtlekid1 on August 19, 2008, 05:40:39 AM
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Post by: jmdblazer on August 19, 2008, 04:14:02 PM
Post by: Kimimaru on August 19, 2008, 04:29:06 PM
I believe Bowser made the Dark World because that's definitely possible if he can seal up most of the castle doors with star power and create the other 2 worlds that you fight him in. Each painting has its own world as well, but I don't believe Bowser made them.
Post by: Glitchy on August 19, 2008, 07:17:20 PM
Back on topic...
I believe Bowser made the Dark World because that's definitely possible if he can seal up most of the castle doors with star power and create the other 2 worlds that you fight him in. Each painting has its own world as well, but I don't believe Bowser made them.
Maybe Bowser realized that he can turn anything into...anything? (People into blocks, people into enemies, blocks into enemies, etc) So he turned a perfectly normal level into a "dark world".
Post by: Turtlekid1 on August 20, 2008, 07:01:07 AM
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Post by: Fawful Fan on August 25, 2008, 09:06:04 AM
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The karts are made (partly) out of rubber, right? So, when the lightning hits them, it sends a shock wave through the pedal/steering wheel and shrinks the character.But...why would electricity shrink people? And why only in certain games? That's the question!
Post by: NintendoExpert89 on September 10, 2008, 07:01:26 PM
Speedy Comets fill the "air" with a slow-acting toxin similar to that in the Hazy Maze Cave. If Mario stays in that gas too long, he will die.
Daredevil Comets spray potential lethal gases, but only strong enough so that even small damages are deadly.
Fast Foe Comets act as a stimulant only on rock enemies.
Cosmic Comets' gas is also potentially lethal. But as a "Prankster," the Cosmic Comet wants to toy with Mario and faces off with Mario before it decides to kill him. Its gas becomes dense and assumes his form, challenging him to a race. Mario needs to quickly escape with the Power Star before Cosmic Mario can claim it and the comet makes the gas completely lethal.
Purple Comets' gas condenses into harmless, magical coin-shaped objects. Getting all the coins (at least 100) creates enough energy to produce a Power Star. The Purple Comet is the most unique because its degree of lethality varies from completely harmless to deadly. When it is deadly, it is as lethal as Speedy's, so one must avoid inhaling it for too long.
Post by: Toad on September 11, 2008, 06:22:26 PM
My wife actually made me think about that, after we both played Brawl and Galaxy. She noticed how Mario holds/uses the Fire Flower in SSB, but then appears to absorb it in SMG. My thought has always been that Mario eats the Mushrooms, and etiher absorbs or holds the Flowers. Obviously, this would bring up the point of which power-ups he holds or absorbs.
I am going to go back through the older games, and see where it would look like he's either eating, holding, or just abosrbing the power.. though, there are some that are obvious: you absorb the flying powers (Leaf/P-wing, Feather), but he probably doesn't eat the Fire Flowers to absorb them.. Hmm..
Post by: CrossEyed7 on September 11, 2008, 07:16:46 PM
Mushrooms are definitely eaten, as seen most clearly in the Mario & Luigi games. The leaf is some kind of Tanooki magic that gets absorbed, but the Tanooki suit, like the Frog suit and Hammer suit, seems to just be an actual suit. The weird part is that the more naturalistic tanooki costume is the one that gives more tanooki powers. The P-Wing could just be an actual wing, and the designers just didn't have the time/space to make a separate sprite for it. The only clue for the feather I can find in the SMW manual is in the story at the beginning:
Quote from: SMW Manual
As they began their journey, Yoshi handed Mario a beautiful cape. "This may help you," Yoshi said. "Some say it has magical powers."
With a little luck (and help from a magic cape), our hearty crew can defeat the seven worlds of Bowser's Krazy Koopa Kritters.
So apparently the cape is magic. The fact that Yoshi gives Mario the cape, instead of a feather that turns into a cape, seems to indicate that the feather is representative, but since it's magic, it could just have the ability to change between forms at will.
Incidentally, I consider Smash to be at the same level of canon as the movie -- it's there if you want to pull anything neat out of it and adapt it, but everything else can be ignored.
Post by: Boo Dudley on September 11, 2008, 07:18:25 PM
Brawl being non-canon, even to the canon-less Mario, I don't think it really matters. But, I guess you could chalk it up to Mario & Luigi having already absorbed/pocketed a Fire Flower, and can't/don't need to stow another one away.
Or he eats them.
Post by: N64 Chick on September 11, 2008, 07:31:50 PM
Ralph: They taste like...burning...
That said, you'd think that eating a Fire Flower would give an effect much like the Superspicy Curry. Perhaps that's what Luigi did in the Super Mario All-Stars version of Super Mario World.
Post by: The Chef on September 11, 2008, 07:43:32 PM
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Maybe he sticks 'em in his overalls, enabling him to use both hands and concealing the item at the same time. Pockets not being the most secure things for storage, can easily drop said power-ups when Mario's knocked around a little.
I remember seeing on this forum a few beta screens of SMS showing an icon that looked like a pocket containing a Fire Flower or Mushroom in place of the FLUDD meter. They might've been fake, though.
In M&L, Mario and Luigi got the ability to shoot fire/thunder from the temples, and in PiT, the different Bros. Items provide the power.
Lastly, Mario was shown eating all three power-ups in the obscure Great Mission to Rescue Peach animated film, but he just touches the power-ups in the Super Mario Super Show.
EDIT: Actually, I wonder if the Fire Flower just symbiotically binds itself to Mario's suit, thus giving him the power to shoot fire from his gloves and changing suit's colors. Like a good version of the black Spidey suit.
Post by: Boo Dudley on September 11, 2008, 07:55:04 PM
Lots of dyes are made from plants.
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Post by: NintendoExpert89 on September 11, 2008, 09:30:25 PM
In M&L, Mario and Luigi got the ability to shoot fire/thunder from the templesWhen I read that I first thought these temples (http://pro.corbis.com/images/42-15664302.jpg?size=572&uid={C2278409-29DA-41E9-BF93-7160E300957A}).
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Post by: CrossEyed7 on September 30, 2008, 05:17:42 AM
Quote from: TMK
Bowser is always "Kuppa" (pronounced: Koopa) in Japan. Mario creator Shigeru Miyamoto revealed in an interview that they were considering naming Mario's nemesis either Kuppa, Yukke (Yukka), or Bibinbap (Bi Bim Bap), all Korean dishes.
Quote from: TMK
The onigiri, a hand-rolled sushi snack, has snuck into a few Mario games. A triangular onigiri appears as a character(!) in Wrecking Crew '98 and as one of many food items in Super Smash Bros. Melee.
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthemushroomkingdom.net%2Fimages%2Fj-e%2Fonigiri.jpg&hash=45ba7bd9e89333d65738e1334ef6541c)
There's probably more.
Post by: Eblo on October 05, 2008, 11:30:34 AM
Is Nintendo influencing the use of mushrooms on children who play Mario? I mean, kids might think eating mushrooms is cool and makes you grow. Was this coincidental or were they actually trying to put thoughts in people's heads?
Post by: The Chef on October 05, 2008, 12:00:29 PM
Post by: Tv_Themes on October 05, 2008, 12:18:31 PM
(Please note that I AM being serious.)
Is Nintendo influencing the use of mushrooms on children who play Mario? I mean, kids might think eating mushrooms is cool and makes you grow. Was this coincidental or were they actually trying to put thoughts in people's heads?
My mom always told me if I eat my mushrooms I'll grow like Mario. Ironically I just got into eating Mushrooms and I'm 22 years old.
So why are we calling II Piantisimo that? Shouldn't it be Piantisimo Jr? And where's I Piantisimo?
~ 2Italian
Post by: ShadowBrain on October 05, 2008, 12:49:11 PM
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Post by: Toad on October 05, 2008, 04:20:32 PM
Post by: Nintendoobsessed on October 05, 2008, 04:34:35 PM
But seriously, is there anyone who doesn't know the running man secret?
Post by: Boo Dudley on October 05, 2008, 04:36:07 PM
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Post by: Kimimaru on October 07, 2008, 10:32:17 AM
I don't know why Nintendo hasn't regretted making Bowser Jr. yet. He's too stereotyped and the Koopa Kids where much better, more menacing.
The Koopa Kids didn't even say a word or have any text in a Mario game. I'm guessing that they wanted a main side-kick for Bowser because Mario and Luigi have so many friends.
Post by: The Chef on October 07, 2008, 01:42:04 PM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on October 07, 2008, 02:40:12 PM
Post by: Luigalaxy on October 07, 2008, 02:46:45 PM
Post by: Boo Dudley on October 07, 2008, 03:49:33 PM
Wario's mustache isn't a mustache, it's over-grown nose hair. Look at his SM64 or Brawl models, his "mustache" isn't attached to his skin, 'cause it's growing out of his nose.
Post by: The Chef on October 07, 2008, 06:06:06 PM
He speaks the truth. On the topic of Bowser Jr. , how the heck did he come to be?
I always thought that the original Koopalings were born naturally, from an actual female Koopa. Whoever she was, she's most likely dead, which is why Bowser is looking for a new wife.
Bowser Jr., on the other hand, might actually be a clone, in the same vein as Mini-Me to Dr. Evil and Boba Fett to Jango Fett. Those Mini-Bowsers from Mario Party are probably Bowser's equivalent of the Clone Troopers.
Post by: Uvaz on October 07, 2008, 09:19:30 PM
Captain Obvious attacks!That's not obvious at all. Is it even listed on the main page?
But seriously, is there anyone who doesn't know the running man secret?
Post by: Chupperson Weird on October 07, 2008, 09:57:26 PM
Post by: Boo Dudley on October 09, 2008, 04:14:21 PM
BJ is prepubescent Bowser.
Post by: The Chef on October 09, 2008, 04:39:21 PM
Post by: ShadowBrain on October 09, 2008, 04:49:24 PM
Let's look at the evidence: Bowser never identifies his younger self as himself.Wouldn't that mean he isn't a young Bowser?
Post by: Boo Dudley on October 09, 2008, 07:10:49 PM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on October 09, 2008, 08:06:13 PM
Post by: Boo Dudley on October 09, 2008, 08:44:01 PM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on October 09, 2008, 09:40:38 PM
Post by: ShadowBrain on October 09, 2008, 11:42:07 PM
Post by: Boo Dudley on October 10, 2008, 07:33:29 AM
Like, for example, the MK future is unaffected by the shroom invasion when it affected MK past. So that either means that somewhere down the line, the brothers' efforts were for nothing because the threat would be eliminated somewhere down the line regardless if the princesses were stopped, or the writers didn't care. I'm betting the latter, as it helps support my claim.
Post by: Robert on October 10, 2008, 08:30:54 AM
No and YIDS.
Like, for example, the MK future is unaffected by the shroob invasion when it affected MK past. So that either means that somewhere down the line, the brothers' efforts were for nothing because the threat would be eliminated somewhere down the line regardless if the princesses were stopped, or the writers didn't care. I'm betting the latter, as it helps support my claim.
Actually, it's a Ontological Paradox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontological_paradox); when something in the present exists because of someones influence on the past. Mario and Luigi were supposed to travel back in time, because that's how the present came about; it's their role in history. This can be illustrated in the Futurama episode "Roswell that ends well", the Roswell incident is revealed to have been caused by the crew after they accidentally travelled back in time and crashed landing into past Earth. Roswell would have never happened if the crew didn't travel back in time. Likewise, the present would have been peaceful if Mario and Luigi didn't travel back in time to stop the Shroobs.
Though it begs the question: history shows that Mario and Luigi were always responsible for stopping the Shroobs, but then why didn't anyone mention it to Mario and Luigi? "Mario, green-guy, just want to remind you you'll have to travel back in time to stop some evil aliens, m'kay? In fact, why didn't Mario and Luigi remember it? They were smart enough to walk, after all. (Or maybe they did. I don't know remember, it's been a long time since I played that game).
Post by: Boo Dudley on October 10, 2008, 08:41:53 AM
Post by: The Chef on October 10, 2008, 03:49:09 PM
Post by: ShadowBrain on October 10, 2008, 03:55:33 PM
Post by: The Chef on October 10, 2008, 03:57:39 PM
Post by: ShadowBrain on October 10, 2008, 03:59:41 PM
Post by: Robert on October 10, 2008, 04:06:57 PM
It's raises the question. And look a Back to the Future, Marty and his siblings started disappearing once his parents got split up. Until he fixes things, history starts to rewrite itself. Nothing in MK present shows any effects of the Shroob invasion that has yet to be stopped by the brothers. While BttF isn't anymore credible than Futurama (Which I know they have real scientists they consult) time-travel and its effects are largely up for grabs.
That's because history was not being rewritten in Mario and Luigi, it was just following it's course; a course that would have inevitably lead to the present. As I see it, as long as the past doesn't change, the present should remain the same. The present would only have changed if the shroobs won.
Post by: jmdblazer on October 10, 2008, 05:26:34 PM
Post by: Boo Dudley on October 10, 2008, 06:11:14 PM
Post by: Fawful Fan on October 14, 2008, 09:20:16 AM
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Like, for example, the MK future is unaffected by the shroom invasion when it affected MK past. So that either means that somewhere down the line, the brothers' efforts were for nothing because the threat would be eliminated somewhere down the line regardless if the princesses were stopped, or the writers didn't care. I'm betting the latter, as it helps support my claim.That's like asking why Poland isn't Nazi territory today even though Hitler invaded it in the past. When you beat the game, you see that the Shroobs lose.
Post by: Boo Dudley on October 14, 2008, 09:32:12 AM
Listen, the history books show that Hitler invaded Poland. People remember Hitler invading Poland. There's physical evidence that he invaded Poland. It has crap to do with who owns it presently.
Go back to the drawing board, and don't be so quick to resort to bring Nazis into argument.
Post by: Chupperson Weird on October 14, 2008, 09:48:19 AM
Post by: Fawful Fan on October 14, 2008, 04:17:51 PM
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There's physical evidence that he invaded Poland. It has crap to do with who owns it presently.Exactly. That's the point.
Post by: ShadowBrain on October 14, 2008, 04:22:05 PM
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.wikia.com%2Funcyclopedia%2Fimages%2Fthumb%2F0%2F05%2FPaper_Stalin.png%2F268px-Paper_Stalin.png&hash=638ae578afc8314b3bee2805e90665b2)
No, wait, wrong dictator.
Post by: Nintendoobsessed on October 15, 2008, 04:55:34 PM
So we solved the PiT case...(Right???)
So...
Where are the Koopalings???
Okay, that's a lame mystery...
Post by: ShadowBrain on October 15, 2008, 05:15:06 PM
Post by: Toad on October 31, 2008, 04:40:25 PM
Big Smith, Osh-kosh, Wal-mart generics..?
Post by: ShadowBrain on October 31, 2008, 05:32:06 PM
Post by: Toad on October 31, 2008, 05:41:05 PM
Post by: Sqrt2 on November 01, 2008, 07:44:01 PM
As for what brand of overalls, I have no idea (maybe one that uses anti-fade denim, perhaps?)
Post by: Trainman on November 01, 2008, 09:57:26 PM
I don't think their overalls are denim. Seem too stretchy and whatnot.
Now what I wanna know are what brand of shoes. I saw a man a few years ago that was wearing, no joke, the same EXACT boots Mario wears. It had the stitching on the side that went straight down, then the stitching next to it that went down, 90º right for about an inch I'd say, and back down. It had the same curves and the same exact cut soles and tread that Mario's has. I almost walked up to that dude and asked him what brand his shoes were so I could get some, but I decided against it as to not look like a complete idiot.
Post by: whompman on January 30, 2009, 10:31:09 PM
Post by: jdaster64 on January 31, 2009, 09:20:39 AM
Post by: jmdblazer on January 31, 2009, 05:04:35 PM
Post by: jdaster64 on January 31, 2009, 07:24:48 PM
Post by: Luigalaxy on January 31, 2009, 08:09:12 PM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on January 31, 2009, 08:42:40 PM
Post by: The Chef on January 31, 2009, 10:08:08 PM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on January 31, 2009, 10:23:12 PM
Post by: jmdblazer on January 31, 2009, 11:21:09 PM
Post by: ShadowBrain on February 01, 2009, 12:18:39 PM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on February 01, 2009, 01:58:46 PM
Post by: Toad on February 01, 2009, 02:56:17 PM
The manual explicitly states that it happens.
The game explicitly states that it happens. They went to a picnic the next day and the land that Mario saw in his dream spread out before their eyes. Like the opening states.
Post by: Chupperson Weird on February 01, 2009, 03:19:03 PM
Post by: The Chef on February 01, 2009, 09:05:54 PM
Post by: Weegee on February 02, 2009, 08:42:55 PM
Post by: CrossEyed7 on February 02, 2009, 08:52:56 PM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on February 02, 2009, 10:26:01 PM
Anyway, like the man said, the prologue is even in the game.
Post by: CrossEyed7 on February 02, 2009, 10:40:18 PM
Maybe.
Post by: jmdblazer on February 02, 2009, 11:40:06 PM
Yet everyone I come across acts like the ending clip of Mario sleeping with the thought bubble above his head renders that completely nonexistent.
Milky way wishes in kirby superstar ultra ends in the same, yet is regarded as "actually happening".
Post by: WarpRattler on February 03, 2009, 12:05:30 AM
Post by: jmdblazer on February 03, 2009, 05:33:41 PM
Post by: ShadowBrain on February 06, 2009, 10:55:50 PM
Post by: Graydon023 on February 10, 2009, 02:25:44 PM
Post by: jmdblazer on February 10, 2009, 07:06:38 PM
Post by: CrossEyed7 on February 10, 2009, 08:02:03 PM
Post by: Toad on February 10, 2009, 08:03:34 PM
Where on earth are people getting the idea that they came from Brooklyn? Did you even play yoshi's island?
I played YI. BUT! They could have been sent to Brooklyn sometime inbetween the events of YI (and YIDS) and Donkey Kong. Wrecking Crew obviously takes place in Brooklyn. Donkey Kong.. is confusing: the game takes place in Brooklyn, but the ape has land in the video game lands. Mario Bros is how they came to the Mushroom Kingdom.
Someone should make a timeline out of the games. Maybe I'll do it..
Post by: jdaster64 on February 10, 2009, 08:52:45 PM
Super Mario Bros is how they came to the Mushroom Kingdom.
Mario Bros. took place in Brooklyn as well.
Post by: Toad on February 10, 2009, 09:33:21 PM
SuperMario Bros is how they came to the Mushroom Kingdom.
Mario Bros. took place in Brooklyn as well.
No, no: Super Mario Bros happens after Mario Bros. During Mario Bros, they are leaving Brooklyn and heading into the MK. Some where in the sewers of Brooklyn, there is theory alert!!! a giant pipe or network of pipes that connects Brooklyn with the MK. Upon defeating the enemies all around them, the Bros got a good look around and realised that they weren't in Brooklyn anymore. /theory!!!
Don't forget that the story to Mario Bros says that they heard a voice coming from the pipes in their apartment.
Post by: Chupperson Weird on February 10, 2009, 10:00:50 PM
Post by: CrossEyed7 on February 10, 2009, 10:26:45 PM
Post by: Toad on February 11, 2009, 03:02:41 PM
Anyway, I realise I may have made a mistake: Upon review of instruction manuals that I own, the story for Super Mario Bros has the bit about the Bros hearing voices from the pipes..
Post by: The Chef on February 11, 2009, 06:06:25 PM
Post by: Fawful Fan on February 11, 2009, 09:27:10 PM
http://www.mariowiki.com/Brooklyn (http://www.mariowiki.com/Brooklyn)
Post by: Weegee on February 11, 2009, 09:37:10 PM
In the Mushroom Kingdom, born and raised
In the sewers are where I spent most of my days
Ch... ummm... Whatever.
I'll stop there for concern of further tarnishing any reputation I may have garnered on this forum as of yet. If anyone feels compelled to continue "Fresh Plumber of Mush-Air", feel free.
Post by: Chupperson Weird on February 11, 2009, 10:34:01 PM
The SM64 Player's Guide does say he's from Brooklyn, but it calls him a "visitor" to the Mushroom Kingdom in the same sentence so I don't think there's a whole lot of credence to be put in that statement.
The cartoons and movie and whatnot have nothing to do with the games at all.
Post by: Fawful Fan on February 12, 2009, 12:11:52 AM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on February 12, 2009, 12:35:12 AM
Post by: jmdblazer on February 12, 2009, 12:45:30 AM
Post by: CrossEyed7 on February 12, 2009, 01:13:50 AM
I say the Nintendo seal should be enough.
Post by: Weegee on February 12, 2009, 05:18:07 PM
Anyways, here's the Mario Wiki's notes on the topic at hand (http://www.mariowiki.com/Canon).
Post by: Chupperson Weird on February 12, 2009, 07:33:03 PM
Post by: The Chef on February 12, 2009, 09:01:07 PM
I'm pretty sure that any 3rd party mario game can't be considered canon.
But it doesn't have an official canon to consider in the first place. This was done on purpose to allow the fans to imagine it however they choose.
Post by: Weegee on February 12, 2009, 11:04:44 PM
Even though theirs seems to be the correct stance, Mario Wiki holds no authority over anything. Just thought you'd like to know.
Very true, although it can probably be established that the folks over at the Mario Wiki have put more hours into research on the topic than everyone in this discussion combined.
Post by: Chupperson Weird on February 13, 2009, 12:01:56 AM
And not just research, but ridiculous conjecture as well.
Post by: Weegee on March 02, 2009, 09:46:20 PM
Is Toad's mushroom-cap some sort of headgear, his hair, or or simply his upper cranial cavity?
Of course, whatever is the case, it applies for all Mushroom People/Toads. The first reference to the matter comes about with Toad removing his cap in the Super Mario Brothers Super Show(!) to use the thing as a parachute, briefly revealing his folically-challenged scalp underneath. The concept of Mushroom People concealing their actual hair beneath a hat is further supported by PM:TTYD's Zip Toad, shown below:
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mariowiki.com%2Fimages%2Fe%2Fec%2FZip_toad.PNG&hash=a3712dc978ff923d2dffd9df49ec6324)
...Not to mention Mojo Nixon's precedent-setting depiction of the guy in Super Mario Bros.: The Movie:
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mariowiki.com%2Fimages%2Ff%2Ffe%2FToadmovie.jpg&hash=9d8aef2fd985e59b0195f496cc34b814)
Conversely, Toad's female counterpart, Toadette, is shown with pigtail-like mushroom bits protruding from the main section. Of course, it could be argued that she simply wears a feminine variety of the usual 'shroom hat, although it's doubtable. One must also consider that if such is the case, Toad has an afro and therefore is black. Yeah. To illustrate the "hair" theory...
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F_lTq2Hvp-Uj8%2FSWCwLrKE6ZI%2FAAAAAAAAAgk%2Fj1CN2In7Aco%2Fs1600-R%2Ftoadette.jpg&hash=dfb4ab85a1408afb687157cf0a5d8f2e)
Lastly, the spotted mass could simply be a vital article of a Mushroom Person's biological composure. I couldn't find any canonical basis for the idea, but just thought I'd throw it out there.
Post by: CrossEyed7 on March 02, 2009, 10:58:13 PM
Then again, his daughter is clearly human, so maybe he is too and is just dressing up as a Toad for ceremonial reasons.
Incidentally, Peach has a grandmother in SMRPG who is definitely a Toad, and Toadsworth has been implied once or twice to be Peach's grandfather (however, since his age has also been canonically established as 60 at the time of TTYD, then assuming TTYD is at least a few years after Mario and Luigi have been in the Mushroom World (considering how famous they are) and that Peach was about 20 in SMB, Toadsworth must have been pretty young when whichever of Peach's parents was born).
Peach also had a human grandmother on an episode of the SMBSS:
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mariowiki.com%2Fimages%2F1%2F19%2FGrandmaSMBSS.jpg&hash=73b6ffc839001b211cc962126341c260)
So it's a likely conclusion that she's half-Toad and half-human. But this is kind of a tangent.
Post by: Sqrt2 on March 03, 2009, 03:26:50 AM
...Not to mention Mojo Nixon's precedent-setting depiction of the guy in Super Mario Bros.: The Movie:
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mariowiki.com%2Fimages%2Ff%2Ffe%2FToadmovie.jpg&hash=9d8aef2fd985e59b0195f496cc34b814)
This is the same movie that claims that goombas are 6 foot tall, and that Bowser is Peach's dad (and Peach is really called Daisy)....
In fact I'd go as far to say that neither the cartoons or the film count as any kind of canon, and only the platform/RPG games count toward canonicity
Post by: ShadowBrain on March 03, 2009, 08:07:44 AM
Also, that Grandma-Peach is totally new to me.
Post by: The Chef on March 03, 2009, 03:15:42 PM
My stance on the Toad hat/head thing is that they're both a hat and a body part. Koopas are born with removable shells, and Yoshis hatch from their eggs with shoes and saddles. Let's also not forget Mario, Luigi, Peach and Wario all being born with headgear as seen in Yoshi's Island DS.
I covered this and several other issues in this page I made:
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dc4w7z8r_54dcdhthd3
Go ahead and read it if you have time. I used a bit of research and a little bit of geek thinking. I also tried as hard as I could to avoid conjecture and fabrication at all costs.
Post by: Weegee on March 04, 2009, 03:58:21 PM
Anyways, I agree with your thoughts on Toad's head, Chef -- it's quite reasonable that they're born/spawned/grown/whatever with removable caps and white diaper-pants. Of course, from this conclusion stems the question of why only particular female Mushroom People have "pigtails" growing from their caps. On that note, Iwas kidding about Mojo Nixon. We all know that Toad is black, after all.
Post by: Toad on March 11, 2009, 03:45:36 PM
This is the same movie that claims that goombas are 6 foot tall, and that Bowser is Peach's dad (and Peach is really called Daisy)....
In the movie, Daisy is the Princess to be rescued and is Luigi's love interest.
Now, about Bowser being Peach's dad: I have seen the movie hundreds of times, and nowhere does it state anything like that at all..
Post by: CrossEyed7 on March 11, 2009, 04:07:19 PM
Post by: The Chef on March 11, 2009, 05:19:56 PM
I really wish the movie didn't come up in this topic as often as it did.
Post by: Weegee on March 12, 2009, 03:23:02 PM
Yeah.
Post by: The Chef on March 12, 2009, 03:39:21 PM
Post by: CrossEyed7 on March 12, 2009, 03:57:12 PM
Post by: The Chef on March 12, 2009, 06:40:26 PM
Post by: CrossEyed7 on March 12, 2009, 07:11:11 PM
EDIT: That's the rhetorical "you," more formally "one"; I'm not saying that you specifically don't think enough or something. No insults expressed or implied.
Post by: Weegee on March 13, 2009, 03:24:56 PM
Mariology isn't serious business.
As we all know, everything on the internets is serious business. But agreed -- quibbling over trivialities works wonders for the mind. Anyways, Daisy's appearance may be a thinly-veiled promotion of Super Mario Land, released four years prior...
Post by: The Chef on March 13, 2009, 03:38:14 PM
Post by: CrossEyed7 on March 13, 2009, 05:24:09 PM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on March 13, 2009, 05:48:34 PM
Post by: ShadowBrain on March 13, 2009, 09:05:38 PM
Post by: The Chef on March 15, 2009, 02:00:53 PM
Post by: Weegee on March 15, 2009, 05:13:41 PM
Post by: The Chef on March 15, 2009, 06:50:40 PM
Post by: Toad on March 21, 2009, 05:40:59 PM
I've done some thinking and have decided that he is possibly a snapping turtle or some kind of weird spiny/turtle hybrid (kinda like Bowser: Boom-Boom has spikes on his shell too).
Thoughts?
Post by: Weegee on March 21, 2009, 06:03:23 PM
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mariowiki.com%2Fimages%2Fe%2Fe5%2FSMB3_Spike.jpg&hash=be90d100583cc62f73b17b659516e0ee)
Post by: ShadowBrain on March 21, 2009, 07:52:31 PM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on March 21, 2009, 09:49:04 PM
Post by: Weegee on March 21, 2009, 10:29:26 PM
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tatelucas.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2008%2F07%2F1upmushroom.jpg&hash=dfe9d907fe3213a9e601e4f9b96c6b29)
Post by: The Chef on March 22, 2009, 07:59:59 AM
Spikes are also called "Mace Penguins" so ... no idea what that tells us.
That's poor localization. Both Spike and "Mace Penguin" are known as Gabon in the JP releases. A lot of the enemies in Yoshi's Island are given wierd-arse localized names. Georgette Jelly? Piscatory Pete? I mean...come on!
(For the record, "Piscatory Pete" is really just a Porcupuffer. Go figure. :P)
Post by: bullykoopa96 on March 22, 2009, 01:24:52 PM
Post by: The Chef on March 22, 2009, 01:30:18 PM
Post by: Weegee on March 22, 2009, 02:54:47 PM
Post by: Toad on March 22, 2009, 03:07:31 PM
Post by: Weegee on April 16, 2009, 04:41:43 PM
And with that, onto the next question, folks!
Does anyone here suppose that Mario has excessive amounts of body hair, as the man is depicted in much fan art (http://www.monkeygrove.com/scribbles/2001/MoneyMario.jpg)? Mario's uncannily smooth exposed forearms in Super Mario Sunshine may seal the debate for some, but I'm willing to argue that fact, mainly because I want to think that Mario is a four-foot tall sasquatch of an Italian... but yeah. Anyone?
Post by: The Chef on April 16, 2009, 06:21:16 PM
You could've picked a better Mariological topic to discuss you know. (-_- ;
Post by: Toad on April 17, 2009, 07:48:08 PM
Is there even a speaker attached to the SMW message blocks, or is there a small character sitting inside them, waiting until the block is punched to deliver the message..?
Post by: dude677 on May 05, 2009, 06:00:54 PM
And it's obvious that those Message Blocks are actual living things. They blink and move their mouths, and if I'm not mistaken, they actually made noise (garbling at best) when hit in YI.
And oh yeah. If you actually remember who I am, I am back. The dude has returned.
Post by: Weegee on May 21, 2009, 10:48:15 PM
Post by: Turtlekid1 on May 22, 2009, 06:54:38 AM
Topic change: Who's voice do you think would come out of the message blocks in SMW? Do you think there would be a different voice in the message blocks in YI?
It's obviously the same woman that provides the voice for the Gadgetron Helpdesk. In YI, it's the woman from the MegaCorp Helpdesk.
Post by: Toad on May 23, 2009, 05:51:19 PM
Post by: Weegee on May 23, 2009, 07:05:37 PM
Post by: Toad on May 23, 2009, 07:12:16 PM
Thank you, Mario! But the Princess isn't online right now...
Post by: Weegee on May 23, 2009, 07:20:11 PM
Post by: ShadowBrain on May 23, 2009, 08:48:28 PM
Post by: Weegee on May 23, 2009, 10:42:44 PM
Post by: ShadowBrain on May 24, 2009, 07:16:00 AM
Post by: Toad on May 24, 2009, 04:08:45 PM
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Post by: jdaster64 on May 30, 2009, 08:19:41 AM
Post by: Kimimaru on May 30, 2009, 09:14:44 AM
Post by: CrossEyed7 on May 30, 2009, 09:34:10 AM
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mariowiki.com%2Fimages%2Fe%2Fe5%2FBluespiny.gif&hash=b7042500ba2f2506074a5b5a40519df5)
Sky-Blue Spinies
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mariowiki.com%2Fimages%2Fc%2Fcf%2FPPTTYDSpiketop.jpg&hash=193f91b093b212d57a9c881045af49b7)(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mariowiki.com%2Fimages%2F7%2F7b%2FSpike_Top.PNG&hash=49f7783011e2d94ff46c54b3f73bd26f)
and Spike Tops (which I'm pretty sure are described as Buzzy Beetles with spikes -- sometimes known just as Spiky Buzzies in the Paper Mario series). Mostly the number of spikes.
Probably also some crossbreeding going on between them and the Shellcreeper-esqe Troopas in Galaxy.
Post by: ShadowBrain on May 30, 2009, 11:09:08 AM
Post by: nensondubois on May 30, 2009, 11:40:51 AM
Post by: The Chef on May 30, 2009, 03:46:57 PM
Here's a list of known Koopa subspecies
-Spiked Koopas (Bowser, Boom Boom, etc.)
-Koopatrol
-Koopa Troopa
-Magikoopa
-Hammer Bro. (includes variants such as Boomerang Bros., etc.)
-Sledge Bro. (consists of Chargin' Chucks and Sumo Bros.)
-Spiny
-Buzzy Beetle (includes Spike Tops)
-Shellcreeper (consists of all instances of quadrupedal Koopa Troopas)
-Gabon (also known as Spike, Clubba, and "Mace Penguin")
-Lakitu
It shouldn't be too hard to create a chart showing how all of these guys relate to one another. Lakitu seems like the most difficult one to fit in.
Post by: Sqrt2 on May 30, 2009, 05:17:32 PM
Also, do Dry/Dull Bones count as a koopa subspecies?
Post by: Weegee on May 30, 2009, 06:51:58 PM
Post by: CrossEyed7 on May 30, 2009, 07:06:06 PM
Post by: ShadowBrain on May 30, 2009, 09:20:56 PM
Also, do Dry/Dull Bones count as a koopa subspecies?I always thought they were undead Troopas.
Post by: Chupperson Weird on May 31, 2009, 12:10:19 AM
Post by: Toad on May 31, 2009, 08:21:18 AM
Post by: BP on June 03, 2009, 04:30:32 AM
When I was younger and didn't realize much, I imagined that the Yoshis in Super Mario Sunshine were actually living manifestations of the last fruit they ate. They behave similarly:
-They change color to "match" (since when are bananas or coconuts pink) the last fruit eaten
-The whole juice mechanic.
-Melting in water? The fruits sort of blow up when you throw them in water... Not if you're carrying them but whatever.
-The juice meter depleting over time--the fruits don't vanish in the game, but real fruits rot.
But now I realize, they just rushed the game and a half-quality job was put into it.
Post by: CrossEyed7 on June 12, 2009, 10:59:41 PM
Post by: The Chef on June 13, 2009, 07:30:07 AM
Post by: CrossEyed7 on June 13, 2009, 09:19:53 AM
I used to have an idea about why the paintings warped to where the stars were, but I forgot it.
Post by: Turtlekid1 on June 13, 2009, 10:09:44 AM
Post by: ShadowBrain on June 14, 2009, 05:35:26 PM
...Wait, who am I kidding, that makes no sense. Anyway, I always figured the paintings just inherently contained magical separate worlds, akin perhaps to those in Harry Potter or the occasional horror story. Some, at least--after all, not every one took you somewhere (but how I wish they had!), and some world entrances aren't even paintings...
On a separate note (I'm not sure if this was worthy of a thread or not), this article is tounge-in-cheek and I'm sure the issue has been wryly raised before, but... what is that thing (http://www.destructoid.com/toadstool-s-what-is-princess-peach-hiding--127459.phtml), anyway?
Post by: The Chef on June 14, 2009, 05:39:31 PM
Post by: ShadowBrain on June 14, 2009, 05:41:23 PM
Post by: Weegee on June 14, 2009, 05:46:55 PM
I'd always pictured "Toadstool's ? ? ?" to be nothing more than a stray bra or something. Of course, it could always be the mummified fetus of Peach's half-turtle love child, but yeah.
Post by: ShadowBrain on June 19, 2009, 08:52:03 PM
“The True History of Mario” (http://computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=217492)
"Inconstancy in the Mario World" (http://www.destructoid.com/other-worlds-than-these-inconstancy-in-the-mario-universe-132026.phtml) (I've read this article at least once and I'm still not exactly sure what its point is, but it seems like they put some thought into it)
Post by: frostbite on June 19, 2009, 09:21:28 PM
Post by: Weegee on July 14, 2009, 09:08:30 PM
Post by: ShadowBrain on July 15, 2009, 01:03:46 PM
"I've got a PhD."
"Really? In what?"
"Studying Jesus's mom."
Post by: jdaster64 on July 18, 2009, 07:43:18 PM
Post by: ShadowBrain on July 18, 2009, 08:59:52 PM
Post by: Weegee on January 01, 2010, 09:00:54 PM
Mario: hmm ill shove it
Luigi kicked the pianta in the stomach and he opened his mouth and
swallowed the poison mushroom (http://themushroomkingdom.net/board/index.php?topic=7778.0)
Post by: ShadowBrain on January 01, 2010, 11:28:39 PM
Post by: Weegee on January 01, 2010, 11:36:51 PM
I'm assuming that it was much, much worse in its pre-edited state, because it's not particularly awful now... Brimming with paper-thin euphemisms, mind you, but I've seen grosser.
Post by: ShadowBrain on January 02, 2010, 08:00:26 AM
Post by: leggo_my_eggo on March 03, 2010, 09:02:00 PM
I WANT THIS MUSHROOM
Post by: Kimimaru on March 03, 2010, 09:08:45 PM
Let's finally spark up another debate on here:
After Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story came out, the various warp pipes in the Mario series have just gotten more confusing. How does a pipe inside Bowser's body lead to an outside area? Is it safe to assume that pipes are teleportation devices?
Post by: Toad on March 04, 2010, 12:36:38 AM
I don't recall the website, but there used to be one that discussed theories for nearly all things in the Mario world. They wrote it like a report (actually, they wrote as if Professor Gadd had been writing it), and one theory they had for the pipes were these mysterious stones that they called warp stones. The discovery of the warp stones lead to two mushroom people testing the stones by placing one in a cup full of water and another in an empty cup, and watching as the water vanished from the first cup and appeared in the second.
Anyway, I've always liked the warp stone theory, so maybe that's it..
Post by: jdaster64 on March 04, 2010, 12:58:16 AM
How does a pipe inside Bowser's body lead to an outside area?
Furthermore, what would happen if Bowser managed to fit in one of said pipes?
Post by: Kimimaru on March 04, 2010, 02:58:18 PM
The warp stone idea kind of makes sense, but there isn't any evidence in the Mario series that can support that, aside from pipes leading to the strangest places without any sort of connection.
Post by: Reading on March 04, 2010, 03:28:22 PM
(MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS!)
Well, to answer this question, we need to know a little about how warp pipes work. It's clear that, while some pipes are merely connected tubes like the screen-scrolling pipes found in Super Mario Bros. 3, one end of a pipe doesn't need to be physically connected to the other; while it's possible that the name "warp pipe" just comes from the fact that they take you from one place to another so fast, pipes actually appear to, in fact, use some sort of teleportation mechanism. We've seen numerous examples of this throughout the Mario series. Obviously, there's the pipes inside Bowser that lead to other locations in the Mushroom Kingdom - they don't go through Bowser at any point. In Super Mario Galaxy, as well, there are a few pipes on the planetoids that, when entered, take Mario to a completely different planet. There's no visible connection between the two planets, indicating that entering the pipe simply teleported Mario to the other location.
So, according to this theorem, if Bowser entered one of the pipes that led into his body, he would most definitely appear from that pipe. No grotesque bodily twisting or being turned inside-out involved. But what would happen to the pipe, since it was inside Bowser?
Our knowledge of warp pipes allows us to answer this. When you enter one, your body is transported from Pipe End A to Pipe End B, with no physical stops in between. So, if Pipe End B is inside Bowser, Bowser's body would be transported to a location inside Pipe End B, which would now be located outside his body. Pipe End B would be located in midair when Bowser first emerged from it, since wherever it was in Bowser's body would be above the ground level, but it would presumably fall to the ground immediately under the influence of gravity - or, perhaps, directly onto Pipe End A. Bowser would then fall to the ground as well.
It sounds like Bowser would be safe and unharmed, in addition to having a cool new way to get some of that junk out of his body. But there's one other thing we have to consider. The objects Bowser inhales shrink in size, becoming microscopic and fitting into his body. If Bowser went from Pipe End A to Pipe End B in his own body, Pipe End B's size would be incredibly small. Would Bowser come out miniaturized?
To solve this puzzle, we must look at what happens what objects exit Bowser's body. Unless I'm forgetting something, aside from the Mario Brothers using the pipes to get out, we see three instances of objects exiting Bowser while he's under the influence of the Vacuum Shroom. Broque Monsieur climbs out of Bowser's body after being sucked in while demonstrating how to use Bowser's vacuuming ability in battle; Fawful uses a laser gun-esque device to draw Princess Peach from the Flab Zone; and Mario, Luigi, Starlow, and everyone else inside Bowser are thrust out his mouth by Fawful's last-ditch explosion. The second one doesn't give us much to work with; Fawful's device could work in any way. But the first and last ones provide our answer. Broque Monsieur exits Bowser's body and very clearly grows back to full size, and when everyone is blown out of Bowser, they appear on the platform above Peach's castle in their normal, macroscopic sizes.
According to this property, when Bowser first disappears from his former position and appears at Pipe End B, the pipe is small at first, but then, since it has exited Bowser, it will revert to the size it was before Bowser swallowed it. Thus, if Bowser entered a pipe that led into his own body, the pipe would be removed from inside his body and he would emerge from it at normal size and in perfect condition.
Post by: Fawful Fan on March 04, 2010, 05:52:57 PM
Post by: Weegee on March 04, 2010, 05:57:55 PM
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Now that, my friends, is Post of the Year material.
As for the warp stone theory, wouldn't the cups in which they were contained also replace each other, seeing as they were making contact with the stones? Then, unless the teleportation process is absolutely instantaneous, the cups would drop to the ground, causing the world itself to be torn apart by ceaselessly alternating between the stones' respective "destinations".
Post by: N64 Chick on March 04, 2010, 07:34:57 PM
Post by: Kimimaru on March 06, 2010, 02:48:57 PM
While this is on my mind...
Do you guys remember Jr. Troopa from Paper Mario? Does he, being inside an egg shell, indicate that Koopas lay eggs?
Post by: Chupperson Weird on March 06, 2010, 10:55:37 PM
Post by: Reading on March 07, 2010, 04:03:53 PM
What I don't understand is why Pipe B would suddenly be removed from Bowser's body.Because Bowser entered Pipe A, thus putting him inside Pipe B through teleportation. It doesn't matter that Pipe B was inside Bowser before, since the pipe simply teleports Bowser from Pipe A to Pipe B.
...This also exactly mirrors what happened on the other forum: someone asked this question a while after I posted my explanation. Weird.
Post by: Turtlekid1 on March 07, 2010, 05:42:50 PM
Post by: Weegee on March 09, 2010, 04:10:47 PM
Post by: N64 Chick on March 09, 2010, 05:07:30 PM
or something which can't be beheld by mortal man?Luigi has seen it in Mario Power Tennis. Judging by his reaction, it's probably creepy.
Post by: Weegee on March 09, 2010, 06:32:31 PM
If the spirit moves you to do so, illustrate your theories with the attached template:
Post by: Kimimaru on March 09, 2010, 07:19:31 PM
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Post by: Turtlekid1 on March 09, 2010, 08:37:19 PM
I know, I know, I'm shamelessly predictable.
Post by: Weegee on March 09, 2010, 08:55:45 PM
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Post by: Fawful Fan on March 25, 2010, 09:47:36 AM
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Post by: WarpRattler on March 25, 2010, 06:36:51 PM
Post by: cosmic_c on March 25, 2010, 06:43:51 PM
Post by: Toad on March 25, 2010, 07:48:21 PM
I must've crossed paths with Bowser hundreds of times over the course of the game (or attempting to 100% my file), and Bowser is never where I left him when I control the Bros in the overworld. He seems to disappear until I control him again.
Post by: Trainman on March 26, 2010, 06:43:49 PM
Post by: Trainman on April 01, 2010, 12:22:20 PM
Qing Gong (traditional Chinese: 輕功; simplified Chinese: 轻功; pinyin: qīnggōng; Cantonese Yale: Hìng Gùng, Wade-Giles: chin k'ung) translates to "light body skill", and consists of two main skills: One being the ability to perform vertical jumps of a height many times that of the human body, and the other being the ability to travel long distances with a flitting, continuous motion as if flying.
Also, Koopa predecessor?
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elenas-vieques.com%2Fstars%2Fpbbburst.jpg&hash=f3eab3322a8f8843f3b905260428fa7f)
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giantbomb.com%2Fuploads%2F0%2F2631%2F223209-600px_mkwii_triplegreenshell_large.jpg&hash=ef5316470ca15813081c5a691ad74dbb)
Post by: Koopalmier on April 07, 2010, 08:43:41 AM
By the way, I'm not sure if anyone noticed it but...
http://www.mariowiki.com/images/c/c9/WaluigiMP8a.PNG
PURPLE IN JAPAN = DEATH
BLACK IN THE REST OF THE WORLD = DEATH
Who IS really Waluigi, anyway ? Not only does he controls a powerful kind of black magic, but he's also extraordinary powerful (physcially) (he can beat Bowser) although he's not a Star Child... And what is his backstory ? What's the link between him and Luigi ? How did he and Wario met ?
Post by: Alisbet on April 11, 2010, 08:08:02 AM
Post by: Koopalmier on April 13, 2010, 04:05:58 PM
Something interesting: the Star Rod does more than just making people's wishes and dreams come true. You see, there are 7 planets in Mario's solar system (as shown in PM2). You learn in SMG2 that the Mushroom World is the first planet of this solar system, and thus the most near of the Sun.
...but it's so near the planet behind it is almost a fireball. So I think the Star Rod must protect the Mushroom World and make it a planet where life would be possible.
Post by: Hacker Pikachu 25 on April 16, 2010, 11:00:47 PM
Got any proof ? Personally, I think that most of them are just asteroids and planetoids orbiting around the Mushroom World, like the Moon. The "galaxies" in SMG2 can be considered as moons, actually.Kinda like Dream Land's Star Rod and Dark Matter?
Something interesting: the Star Rod does more than just making people's wishes and dreams come true. You see, there are 7 planets in Mario's solar system (as shown in PM2). You learn in SMG2 that the Mushroom World is the first planet of this solar system, and thus the most near of the Sun.
...but it's so near the planet behind it is almost a fireball. So I think the Star Rod must protect the Mushroom World and make it a planet where life would be possible.
Post by: Koopalmier on April 17, 2010, 12:23:44 AM
Now let's talk about something.
Here is how Mario's solar system is (or at least was before the solar system was basically destroyd then recreated in SMG), as seen in Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat:
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7015/solarsystem2.png
WHITE CIRCLE = MOON
I don't believe the fact Miyamoto said there was no set storyline or universe in the Mario series (and all the related series). We always saw 7 planets in Mario's solar system. In PM2, at the top of the Riddle Tower, you'll see some kind of mechanical system representing the solar system. And you see 7 planets orbiting the Sun, with the first planet (apparently the Mushroom World) having a blue thing through it (so we can be sure it's the first planet in the solar system). In DK: JB... Look up. In SMG2, we'll see 7 planets ("Worlds") + a 8th one created by Bowser (following the "8 Worlds" scheme the games are following since SMB).
Also, here's a map of the Mushroom Kingdom, based on what we saw (although I also based it on SMBZ, but who cares ? SMBZ is fan-made, just like this map).
http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/106/9/0/Mushroom_Kingdom_map_by_Koopalmier.png
(not on scale)
Post by: Koopalmier on May 19, 2010, 07:43:30 PM
- Mario's solar system is our solar system
and
- Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat happens in another reality
World 2 of SMG2 is Mario's solar system (apparently you go more and more far from Mario's planet as worlds go), and you can see the last planets of our solar system. I don't know if I'm happy or disgusted. Also it'd seems that the Sun has grow bigger at the times of Mario games.
Post by: Weegee on May 19, 2010, 07:47:12 PM
Post by: Koopalmier on May 20, 2010, 10:07:39 AM
And you can see our solar system's last planets. However, because the asteroid belt isn't at the same place as our solar system's, I guess that the only link between our solar system and Mario's is the last planets and other celestial objects. The planets you can clearly see are Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and two dwarf planets.
I can't see Jupiter. Either the Sun grew and Jupiter is (very unlikely) Mario's planet, either it's another solar system but with similar planets.
Here's the video:
http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/29418
Go at 02:22 for a view of the solar system from the Starship Mario, and some seconds later the solar system seen from the world map. Also we see Mario's planet from the world map in the first part.
Post by: The Chef on May 20, 2010, 02:08:41 PM
Besides, the idea of Mario ever having been from the "real world" hasn't been mentioned since Mario is Missing!, and do we really want that to be officially acknowledged by the Mario games of today?
Post by: Chupperson Weird on May 21, 2010, 11:47:08 AM
Post by: The Chef on May 21, 2010, 12:05:22 PM
Sorry, just having a mini-rant over the whole thing. This isn't directed at anyone in particular.
Post by: Fawful Fan on May 21, 2010, 01:53:44 PM
Post by: The Chef on May 21, 2010, 04:10:37 PM
Heck, even Donkey Kong has never been referred to as taking place in Brooklyn. The 1994 enhanced remake of it has the opening stages labelled as "Big City", and Mario and Pauline are seen hanging around in the Mushroom Kingdom during the game's end.
Post by: Koopalmier on May 21, 2010, 06:15:04 PM
Also, yeah, no Mario game (not counting the sport, party and puzzle spin-offes, their official websites, and the games Ninteod of Japan doesn't even know about like Mario is Missing) make references to Mario being from Earth. The only Earth reference is when Miyamoto said that he designed Mario Bros. thinking about a New York sewer system, but that doesn't mean it IS that. Only that he designed it while thinking of that.
Also, when someone here will have SMG2 could he/her re-draw on a paper the shape of the continents on Mario's planet (can be seen from the World selection and the Galaxy selection of World 1) and scan it, please ?
Post by: The Chef on May 21, 2010, 06:25:17 PM
Post by: Koopalmier on May 21, 2010, 07:27:43 PM
Post by: Fawful Fan on May 22, 2010, 01:00:18 AM
Or maybe they were just born in the Mushroom Kingdom and lived there. End of story.Because then you're blatantly ignoring established details for the sake of making it easier to follow. If you want to just play the games without thinking about the background and story then that's fine, but if you're interested in creating a comprehensive timeline you can't just pick and choose. I don't like the War in Iraq so I'm just going to pretend it never happened.
I know there's a difference between real life history and a fictional world, but I'm just saying that I find it fun to attempt to analyze a fictional world as if it was real history. If you don't then that's fine and I don't have to force my ideas down your throat. But I hope this explains my approach.
Post by: Chupperson Weird on May 22, 2010, 01:02:47 AM
Post by: Koopalmier on May 22, 2010, 08:24:31 AM
Because then you're blatantly ignoring established details for the sake of making it easier to follow. If you want to just play the games without thinking about the background and story then that's fine, but if you're interested in creating a comprehensive timeline you can't just pick and choose. I don't like the War in Iraq so I'm just going to pretend it never happened.
I know there's a difference between real life history and a fictional world, but I'm just saying that I find it fun to attempt to analyze a fictional world as if it was real history. If you don't then that's fine and I don't have to force my ideas down your throat. But I hope this explains my approach.
Except he's right. It was never ever stated in a official Mario material from Japan that Mario and Luigi had any relation with Earth. It's like if there was a debate "Is Wario Mario's cousin?". He's not his cousin, brother or anything, end of story, even if Nintendo Power - an American magazine - stated it - long ago.
Post by: Fawful Fan on May 22, 2010, 10:42:34 AM
It was never ever stated in a official Mario material from Japan that Mario and Luigi had any relation with Earth.
But it was stated in official Mario material from North America. It's in the official Mario cartoons, the official Mario comics, the official Mario books, and even some of the official Mario games. Whether you like these shows/books/games is irrelevant-it's official Mario media. And since this detail of Mario's history does not contradict anything, I don't see the need to disregard it or treat it as an alternate continuity.
Heck, even to this day Mario's official voice actor, Charles Martinet, calls Mario a Brooklyn plumber.
Post by: The Chef on May 22, 2010, 01:24:02 PM
But it was stated in official Mario material from North America.Yes. Back in the late 80s and early 90s. Not so much anymore.
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It's in the official Mario cartoons,Which are not the games.
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the official Mario comics,
Which are not the games.
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the official Mario books,Which are not the games..
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and even some of the official Mario games.No it hasn't.
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Whether you like these shows/books/games is irrelevant-it's official Mario media.
Official in that it was officially released by Nintendo of America. Several years ago. They no longer acknowledge them in any considerably fashion. Additionally, the parent company in Japan has never acknowledged the aforementioned media, which, as I mentioned just a moment ago, is NOT the games. The Mario games are the core of the Mario franchise, and as such are not directly affiliated with the media you just referred to (or in fan-speak, are not part of the same continuity).
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And since this detail of Mario's history does not contradict anything, I don't see the need to disregard it or treat it as an alternate continuity.Except it does. We saw Mario being born in the Mushroom Kingdom in a mainline Mario game. Brooklyn is never seen nor mentioned in any Mario game anywhere (not even Mario is Mssing!, which took place on Earth). None of the outside Mario material that refers to Brooklyn is directly tied with the Mario games.
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Heck, even to this day Mario's official voice actor, Charles Martinet, calls Mario a Brooklyn plumber.That's because it was the first thing the PR guys told him when he did the audition back in 1995/1996. It's probably been stuck in his mind ever since. Not to mention, Charles Martinet has no hand in Mario's creation or production. He has no say in whether or not Mario is truly from Brooklyn. The game developers and scenario writers do.
It is widely known that people still act like Mario is from Brooklyn even though that's not truly a part of the games, largely because of all the stuff you just used to argue this point. Answer me this, then. If all of the material you just mentioned is "official", then why isn't Bowser a T-Rex-turned-human in any Mario game? Why doesn't Peach have red hair? Why didn't the events of SMW involve Peach wearing Luigi's clothes?
Simple: because they are merely outside adaptations of the games, which are the entire reason for the existence of the Mario brand and are therefore the epicenter of Mario continuity. The games have probably very likely borrowed some concepts from these outside adaptations (heck, the Great Mission to Rescue Peach anime movie is probably the biggest contributor in this regard), but Mario being from Brooklyn is not one of them. Period end.
Post by: Fawful Fan on May 22, 2010, 05:55:48 PM
But my main point is that Nintendo never denied that Mario is from Brooklyn. Even if Nintendo of America doesn't talk about it today, that doesn't undo the fact that they have before through their Mario media.
You keep disregarding the Brooklyn story since it is not mentioned in the games. I think this brings up the issue of authorship.
When Miyamoto created this fictional world, he obviously becomes the author. He has the authority that establishes the characters, how the world works, etc. Since he made this fictional reality under contract with Nintendo, Nintendo owns the rights. When Nintendo offers these rights to a third party like Valiant or DiC, they grant them the authorship to make a statement about that fictional reality. But being the original authors, Miyamoto and Nintendo have a greater authority. So although Princess Peach Toadstool has appeared with red hair in some media, Nintendo's official character art takes precedence over that. But the issue of Mario growing up in Brooklyn does not contradict what Miyamoto has established in his higher authority.
Yes, we see the babies delivered to the Mushroom Kingdom, but how did they get there? Where did the stork get them? Could they have possibly been born elsewhere and delivered somewhere else? Did the babies move and grow up somewhere else? These are simply gaps in the timeline free for the fans to speculate and theorize until a higher authority makes a statement.
So to answer your questions...
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...then why isn't Bowser a T-Rex-turned-human in any Mario game?He isn't because there is no way to reconcile the story of the live-action Mario movie with the timeline from the games. The movie makers had a degree of authorship to contribute, but they instead made their own version that blatantly contradicts the source material, the higher authority. I do not believe that the comics/books/cartoons make such a contradiction, so I see no reason to disregard it in my comprehensive timeline of the entire Mario series.
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Why didn't the events of SMW involve Peach wearing Luigi's clothes?Not an issue. The Super Mario Adventures comic book was not a retelling of Super Mario World. It was its own story.
By the way, when I mentioned that it has been established that Mario is from Brooklyn in an actual game, I was referring to Mario's Time Machine, not Mario is Missing.
Maybe one day I'll post my comprehensive timeline on the Mario series in this forum.
Post by: The Chef on May 22, 2010, 06:26:37 PM
Just because they don't talk about it anymore doesn't mean they threw it away. It may simply be irrelevant now since Mario lives in the Mushroom Kingdom or they may not wish to bring it up since, as established before, there is no official canon. This simply means that Nintendo does not spoon-feed us what to accept or what to disregard. So I don't see the problem if I want to include this in a comprehensive timeline of the entire Mario franchise.
No, it does. These days NoA has more or less retroactively fitted any representation of Mario to comply with what NCL normally does. If a company drops an idea, they don't go and tell everybody about it like it's that important. That's unprofessional. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the Brooklyn thing doesn't apply to Mario anymore as it hasn't been mentioned ANYWHERE in ANY official Mario material, game-based or not.
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But my main point is that Nintendo never denied that Mario is from Brooklyn. Even if Nintendo of America doesn't talk about it today, that doesn't undo the fact that they have before through their Mario media.
That still doesn't mean it applies. If you want to make a timeline based strictly on the Mario games, then you should ONLY use what's in the games and nothing else.
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When Miyamoto created this fictional world, he obviously becomes the author. He has the authority that establishes the characters, how the world works, etc. Since he made this fictional reality under contract with Nintendo, Nintendo owns the rights. When Nintendo offers these rights to a third party like Valiant or DiC, they grant them the authorship to make a statement about that fictional reality. But being the original authors, Miyamoto and Nintendo have a greater authority. So although Princess Peach Toadstool has appeared with red hair in some media, Nintendo's official character art takes precedence over that. But the issue of Mario growing up in Brooklyn does not contradict what Miyamoto has established in his higher authority.
Miyamoto never said Mario was from Brooklyn. He also said he wasn't. That doesn't mean the DiC cartoons take precedence over the games concerning Mario's origin, because Mario is not from Brooklyn in the games.
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Yes, we see the babies delivered to the Mushroom Kingdom, but how did they get there? Where did the stork get them? Could they have possibly been born elsewhere and delivered somewhere else? Did the babies move and grow up somewhere else? These are simply gaps in the timeline free for the fans to speculate and theorize until a higher authority makes a statement.
It's a friggin' cartoon, you lunkhead. Babies tend to be born via the stork in cartoony settings. If you seriously dispute THAT, that you're a gosh[darn] lost cause.
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So to answer your questions...He isn't because there is no way to reconcile the story of the live-action Mario movie with the timeline from the games. The movie makers had a degree of authorship to contribute, but they instead made their own version that blatantly contradicts the source material, the higher authority. I do not believe that the comics/books/cartoons make such a contradiction, so I see no reason to disregard it in my comprehensive timeline of the entire Mario series.Not an issue. The Super Mario Adventures comic book was not a retelling of Super Mario World. It was its own story.
The cartoons and comics blatantly contradict what's depicted in the games as well as the movie, just not anywhere near as much. And yes, the Super Mario Adventures comic WAS a retelling of SMW. Mario and Luigi acted like they never met Yoshi before, and the characters appear to have found the Cape for the first time as well. It also was printed in Nintendo Power around the same time SMW was released, so it was obviously there to promote it.
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By the way, when I mentioned that it has been established that Mario is from Brooklyn in an actual game, I was referring to Mario's Time Machine, not Mario is Missing.
Same bogus. I don't even recall either game saying Mario was from Brooklyn, so either way it doesn't matter.
Post by: CrossEyed7 on May 22, 2010, 07:09:18 PM
If you want to make a timeline based strictly on the Mario games, then you should ONLY use what's in the games and nothing else.Nice tautology, but where did he say he was basing it strictly on the games?
my comprehensive timeline of the entire Mario series.
Also:
Why didn't the events of SMW involve Peach wearing Luigi's clothes?Why didn't the events of SM64 involve Luigi and Wario?
Post by: Koopalmier on May 22, 2010, 07:45:58 PM
Miyamoto didn't knew about the Mario cartoons until someone told him Louis Albano died. The only non-game thing he knew about until then was the Super Mario Bros. movie (that he liked, by the way). Is that enough ?
Nintendo of America isn't the one that makes games (and could even be considered as not being Nintendo). It only makes US websites for the games, and publishes the game in America.
They could have given to DiC the rights to do a Mario cartoon, but that cartoon heavily contradicts many, many Mario games. Super Mario Adventures was a good comic but the characters' personality are too contradictory to the games. Same for everything that isn't a game and wasn't made by Nintendo of Japan or its affiliate companies.
On another note: the solar system (being World 2) shown in Super Mario Galaxy 2 is NOT Mario's solar system. So Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat is still in the same reality, and we know how are the planets of Mario's solar system (as shown in Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat) and what's their orbit (as shown in Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door).
Post by: Fawful Fan on May 22, 2010, 10:20:57 PM
Look, all I'm saying is that I like to understand the entire Mario franchise in a historical, comprehensive approach. "Historical" as in I don't exclude things because I don't like them or because they weren't directly made by Miyamoto. I don't think Miyamoto is the sole author of the Marioverse. Otherwise, Daisy and Wario do not exist. You seem to understand the Mario universe by solely looking at the main games, as if they were the sole authority, where certain elements must be stated in those games to be "real." We can agree to disagree about our approaches to understanding the Marioverse.
As for Super Mario Adventures, it must take place before the events of Super Mario World. Simple as that.
ANYTHING THAT WASN'T MADE BY NINTENDO OF JAPAN AND ITS AFFILIATE COMPANIES SHOULDN'T EXIST IN THE FIRST PLACE AND FALL INTO OBLIVION.
By what authority/authorship do you declare that the Mario media is not part of the timeline?
But one more thing. Do you really believe that the following takes place in the Mushroom World?
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Post by: Chupperson Weird on May 22, 2010, 10:34:12 PM
Post by: Toad on May 23, 2010, 01:08:22 AM
Which is why he steers the paddle in Alleyway
Speaking of, does he (Mario) realise that there's also a bonus area in that game based on his 8-bit small form? I think it's a bonus area. It's been ages since I last played that game..
While there is no official canon, there are obviously some games that take place long before any of the others. The Yoshi's Island series comes before anything else, and SMB2 could fall practically anywhere.
Post by: Fawful Fan on May 23, 2010, 12:25:43 PM
I'm not sure why every game that features Mario should be included in the so-called "canon". Miyamoto clearly stated that he wanted Mario to just be some guy that he could throw into whatever game he wanted. Which is why he steers the paddle in Alleyway and stuff.
Okay. This is why some people may wish to disregard some games/alternate media. Nintendo does not draw out an official timeline. They've even said that they'd rather leave it up to the individual player's imagination. So my approach to understanding the Marioverse is looking at it as a whole, like a bunch of jigsaw pieces and imagining how they can all fit together.
Post by: The Chef on May 23, 2010, 02:02:32 PM
Wrecking Crew takes place in the Mushroom world. Wrecking Crew '98 would indicate this.
Punch-Out!!'s continuity has more or less been remade in the new Punch-Out!! for the Wii, which does not feature Mario. Instead it features DK, but that's something else entirely.
Mario's Bombs Away is hard to pin down. Not even sure how or when Mario could even join the armed forces, much less where or when the game takes place.
From what I can gather your "comprehensive Mario timeline" still only includes the games, and since Mario has only ever been from Brooklyn in the cartoons, comics and movie, those should be disregarded.
Why didn't the events of SM64 involve Luigi and Wario?
The dialog in SM64DS indicates that it's actually a sequel of sorts. When it actually takes place is anyone's guess.
Post by: Koopalmier on May 23, 2010, 03:45:54 PM
Anyway, here are the planets of Mario's solar system, and their orbit:
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/3240/ssolar.png
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/1855/solarsystem.png
Post by: Fawful Fan on June 21, 2010, 06:26:00 PM
Got any proof ? Personally, I think that most of them are just asteroids and planetoids orbiting around the Mushroom World, like the Moon. The "galaxies" in SMG2 can be considered as moons, actually.
Something interesting: the Star Rod does more than just making people's wishes and dreams come true. You see, there are 7 planets in Mario's solar system (as shown in PM2). You learn in SMG2 that the Mushroom World is the first planet of this solar system, and thus the most near of the Sun.
...but it's so near the planet behind it is almost a fireball. So I think the Star Rod must protect the Mushroom World and make it a planet where life would be possible.
That's an interesting observation, Koopalmier. I never noticed that, but at the same time I don't think we can conclude that there are only seven planets in Mario's solar system. After all, the Greeks and Romans thought that our solar system only had seven planets as well. It was just their limited technology, so the same could apply to the ancients of Mario's world. As for Galaxy 2's world map, I don't think we can say each "World" is nearby a planet in Mario's solar system since each "World" is filled with different galaxies. To me, it makes more sense to think of each "World" as a supercluster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercluster) filled with multiple galaxies that each have their own planets of varying sizes.
Post by: EpicGyllynn on June 24, 2010, 02:43:20 AM
Post by: The Chef on June 24, 2010, 12:28:34 PM
Post by: EpicGyllynn on June 26, 2010, 03:53:41 AM
Post by: EpicGyllynn on June 26, 2010, 04:26:09 AM
Got any proof ? Personally, I think that most of them are just asteroids and planetoids orbiting around the Mushroom World, like the Moon. The "galaxies" in SMG2 can be considered as moons, actually.
Something interesting: the Star Rod does more than just making people's wishes and dreams come true. You see, there are 7 planets in Mario's solar system (as shown in PM2). You learn in SMG2 that the Mushroom World is the first planet of this solar system, and thus the most near of the Sun.
...but it's so near the planet behind it is almost a fireball. So I think the Star Rod must protect the Mushroom World and make it a planet where life would be possible.
I think that each of the "Worlds"(in SMG2) represent one of the Planets in Mario's Solar System, and that they where scattered through Space & Time by Bowser(Presumably to make way for his Empire) and where restored to Normal after the events of SMG/SMG2. But as for the "Galaxy's" in the game, I believe some of them are just asteroids/planetoids orbiting around Mario's World(Like Spin-Dig), but I think others where ripped from his World(Like Sky Station, Yoshi Star, Fluffy Bluff, and Starshine Beach). I believe that Wild Glide, Boulder Bowl and Cosmic Cover are actually the scattered remains of (One of)World 2's Moon(s). I have different theories concerning different Galaxy's but I won't bore you with the details. As for the Star Rod protecting the World 1/Mushroom World, though I never thought of it, it makes Perfect sense! The more I think about it, the more I agree!
Post by: The Chef on June 26, 2010, 03:46:03 PM
But who's to say that all of the "Galaxy's" were created that way? I mean, does Yoshi really have a Vacation Home in space? I think not!
They were. I doubt any of them save for the ones that specifically belong to Bowser were created by Rosalina.
As for Yoshi, he's still just one member of a species. The one in SMG2 is most likely not the same Yoshi that's seen hanging around Mario in various other games.
Post by: Dr. Echidna on June 26, 2010, 05:40:30 PM
Post by: The Chef on June 26, 2010, 05:42:44 PM
Post by: Toad on June 26, 2010, 05:49:06 PM
Post by: EpicGyllynn on June 26, 2010, 06:31:03 PM
He could, but Gyllynn up there seems to think that means Bowser created the Galaxies and not Rosalina....for some reason.
I'm not saying he created every Galaxy but I think that some of them are from the Mushroom World, but I do think he made some. Besides the name of the final Galaxy(excluding World S) is Bowser's Galaxy Generator, I assume he uses it to, oh, I don't know, make Galaxies!
They were. I doubt any of them save for the ones that specifically belong to Bowser were created by Rosalina.
As for Yoshi, he's still just one member of a species. The one in SMG2 is most likely not the same Yoshi that's seen hanging around Mario in various other games.
I disagree, the Yoshi acts as though he is already familiar with Mario.
Well, Bowser had phenominal cosmic power, so his creation of his own galaxy could have offset the creation of the other galaxies.
Which is exactly what I've been saying in my post, perhaps I worded it strangely. My apologies! I don't think that Bowser created the Galaxies(Save for ones like Fleet Glide, Space Storm, and the Boss Galaxy's). I just don't think that the Galaxies were always the way they appeared in the Game, and that some were once apart of a greater whole(And that they were restored to normal after Bowser's defeat)!
Post by: Turtlekid1 on June 26, 2010, 08:13:12 PM
Well, Bowser had phenominal cosmic powerAnd itty-bitty living space?
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Post by: The Chef on June 26, 2010, 08:42:59 PM
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I disagree, the Yoshi acts as though he is already familiar with Mario.
"Being friendly" does not mean "already familiar".
Post by: Toad on June 27, 2010, 06:58:32 PM
And itty-bitty living space?
Sorry, couldn't resist.
S'ok. I just thought it would be funny to say.
Here's a thought: Why didn't the Star Spirits attempt to stop Bowser? Does the power of the Star Rod not stand against the power of creation?
Post by: EpicGyllynn on June 28, 2010, 09:34:32 PM
S'ok. I just thought it would be funny to say.
Here's a thought: Why didn't the Star Spirits attempt to stop Bowser? Does the power of the Star Rod not stand against the power of creation?
I actually just started playing through Paper Mario on VC yesterday, and was wondering the exact same thing!
Post by: EpicGyllynn on June 28, 2010, 10:17:15 PM
S'ok. I just thought it would be funny to say.
Here's a thought: Why didn't the Star Spirits attempt to stop Bowser? Does the power of the Star Rod not stand against the power of creation?
I find it interesting that you chose the word "Creation"! It got me thinking about how in SMRPG, Geno talks about a "Higher Authority", which made think about the Mushroom Kingdom/World's religion. Any thoughts?
Post by: The Chef on June 28, 2010, 10:53:16 PM
And if they did, they got their wish because Mario was miraculously not killed by Kamek's attack at the beginning of SMG. Instead he met up with Rosalina and the Lumas and the rest is history.
This brings to mind something else. Does Mario always come out on top because everybody wishes for it? Does everything in the Mushroom World happen because of people's wishes?
Post by: EpicGyllynn on June 29, 2010, 03:22:13 AM
The Star Spirits have nothing to do with galaxy creation. They only grant wishes. They wouldn't be able to stop Bowser unless the people of the Mushroom World wished for it.
And if they did, they got their wish because Mario was miraculously not killed by Kamek's attack at the beginning of SMG. Instead he met up with Rosalina and the Lumas and the rest is history.
This brings to mind something else. Does Mario always come out on top because everybody wishes for it? Does everything in the Mushroom World happen because of people's wishes?
I didn't say they created the Mario Universe, I'm just curious as to the possible Theology denizens of his World have! Assuming, of course, that they have Religious beliefs. Thoughts?
Post by: Alisbet on June 29, 2010, 07:21:44 AM
I didn't say they created the Mario Universe, I'm just curious as to the possible Theology denizens of his World have! Assuming, of course, that they have Religious beliefs. Thoughts?
I would agree with you there. I mean, really, Mario always winning over Bowser because the people wishes for that to happen. I wonder what Bowser would do if he finds out about this.
Post by: EpicGyllynn on June 29, 2010, 01:21:03 PM
I would agree with you there. I mean, really, Mario always winning over Bowser because the people wishes for that to happen. I wonder what Bowser would do if he finds out about this.
Perhaps, for them, Wishes work sort of like Prayers. I mean not every wish is always granted, right? Just, was that "Higher Authority" that Geno mentioned the Star Spirits, or something else? I always thought that the Star Spirits were sort of like Angelic Beings, and perhaps they have some limits on their Powers, too! I know I'm thinking too much into this, but thats what makes it Fun!
Post by: The Chef on June 29, 2010, 04:13:13 PM
Post by: EpicGyllynn on June 29, 2010, 06:37:36 PM
Geno was talking about the Star Road when he said "higher authority". It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the Mushroom World's theology is based entirely around stars, be they Star Spirits, Star Kids, Star Sprites or the Lumas. Hell, Super Mario Galaxy opens on the eve of a holiday where they celebrate the passing of the Comet Observatory.
I know that, I just wanted to delve a little deeper into it! Do you really have to be so negative towards my ideas? I mean, I just want to delve deeper into a subject that isn't discussed in-depth in the games, isn't that what this Thread is about? No, I'm not trying to start an argument with you, I actually agree with many of your post on this Thread, I just wanted to contribute something to the discussion!
Post by: The Chef on June 29, 2010, 06:49:44 PM
If you wanna talk about the wishing thing, then my guess is that they only grant super-important wishes or life-changing ones.
Post by: CrossEyed7 on June 29, 2010, 11:49:26 PM
Star Spirits and Star Kids grant wishes.Are they the same thing? Do Star Kids grow up to become Star Spirits? Is there a succession of Star Spirits? Are the Star Pieces in SMRPG the same thing as the Star Spirits?
Rosalina raises Lumas so they can grow into GalaxiesAre Lumas related to Star Kids? How long ago did Rosalina's origin story happen (and is it meant to be metaphorical)? How were galaxies created before then? How was the universe created in the first place?
and....Star Sprites apparently just sit around give advice....or something. :PGuesses and "or something"s are what this topic's about. So let's talk about them!
If you wanna talk about the wishing thing, then my guess is that they only grant super-important wishes or life-changing ones.
[By the way, if you're going to try to turn everything into an argument, it helps to at least contradict something someone said. When did anyone say it wasn't based around stars? Also, the Star Road is the higher authority? It's a place. Did you mean someone at the Star Road? Who's in charge of it? Also, do Rosalina and the Star Spirits know about each other?]
Post by: Dr. Echidna on June 30, 2010, 08:46:01 AM
...How was the universe created in the first place?
Erm ... we don't even know how our own universe came into existence. Why are we asking the same about a fictional one?
Post by: The Chef on June 30, 2010, 09:56:37 AM
Geno specifically said that the Star Pieces are literally the pieces of the Star Road. How the Star Road is connected to Star Haven is another mystery, but my theory is that it's an actual road that connects Star Haven with other areas in the cosmos. Also, those little star-shaped thingies that connect Star World with the regular world in SMW are also called Star Roads, but I doubt there's a connection there.
The Lumas don't look to be related to Star Spirits outside of being star-shaped. One heavily resembles a Starman and exists soley to grant wishes, while the other looks more like a marshmallow and literally an infant galaxy/planet/comet/star/sun other celestial body.
The "higher authority" Geno was talking about was probably the Star Spirits, since Paper Mario establishes that they're essentially the top of the wish-granting heap. Since they're all wise and such, there's a good chance they know who Rosalina is, and since Rosalina pretty much created the universe, she probably knows about them.
Post by: Weegee on June 30, 2010, 02:36:30 PM
Now, let's complicate matters by throwing 64/Galaxy's Power Stars into the mix.
Post by: The Chef on June 30, 2010, 03:20:19 PM
The real question is whether or not the Power Stars and the Starmen commonly used for invincibility are one and the same.
Post by: Weegee on June 30, 2010, 03:37:55 PM
As for Starmen being the same as Power Stars, it could easily be: If they can supply energy for enormous mechanisms, they can probably grant a single person temporary invulnerability.
Post by: Toad on June 30, 2010, 03:39:20 PM
Starmen and Power Stars are the same, but Power Stars power buildings/vehicles, and Starmen power people (human, mushroom, etc..)
Post by: The Chef on June 30, 2010, 05:23:30 PM
I'm going with Weegee's idea about Starmen and Power Stars being the same thing.
Post by: Toad on June 30, 2010, 08:17:16 PM
Post by: EpicGyllynn on July 01, 2010, 09:55:20 PM
Hmm...except Mario isn't the only one who can use Starmen. Pretty much anyone who's been playable in a game that features Starmen (and there's a LOT) have been able to use them.
I'm going with Weegee's idea about Starmen and Power Stars being the same thing.
I think the original idea was that they where the same thing, but Nintendo probably changed Starman to Rainbow Stars to avoid confusion.
Post by: EpicGyllynn on July 01, 2010, 10:02:24 PM
Post by: Weegee on July 01, 2010, 11:05:54 PM
Post by: The Chef on July 02, 2010, 09:06:42 AM
However, Mario DOES have continuity. If he didn't, we wouldn't see recurring elements nor would there be the occasional acknowledgement of past events. Yoshi's Safari IS in continuity with the rest of the series because it features Mario and Yoshi being called over to another kingdom to fight the Koopalings again. What's there to indicate otherwise?
Post by: EpicGyllynn on July 02, 2010, 07:38:08 PM
Mario doesn't have an official canon. Unless Nintendo comes out and says "these games never happened", the terms "canon" and "non-canon" can't really be applied to Mario.The only thing I'm pretty sure Nintendo no longer acknowledges are the edutainment games Weegee just mentioned.
However, Mario DOES have continuity. If he didn't, we wouldn't see recurring elements nor would there be the occasional acknowledgement of past events. Yoshi's Safari IS in continuity with the rest of the series because it features Mario and Yoshi being called over to another kingdom to fight the Koopalings again. What's there to indicate otherwise?
I am aware that there is no "official" Mario canon, nor is there an "official" Zelda canon, but that does'nt stop fans from speculating what they THINK is canon. I know the series has continuity which is why I speculate the possible canonocity of it's games. When I am deciding whether or not I believe a spin-off is canon, I base my opinion on two things: 1) Does it contradict the Main Series? And 2) Is it recognized as "official" by Nintendo? One example being Super Mario RPG, does it contradict the Main Series(the different map is not a contradiction, just an inconsistency)? No. Is it recognized as "official" by Nintendo(of Japan)? Yes. Now lets apply the same thing to the Super Show, does it contadict the Main Series? Yes(the Games clearly depict the Bros. being born in TMK). Is it considered "official" by Nintendo? While it was considered "official" Mario media by NOA, it was never recognized in ANY way by the parent Company(in Japan). Even now NOA shows no sighns of recognition towards the series. Based on these questions I can assume that SMRPG is "canon", and that the Super Show is not. After applying these to Yoshi's Safari, it seems apppropiate for me to add them to MY "canon", but I am still a little on the edge about it.
Post by: EpicGyllynn on July 02, 2010, 07:49:06 PM
I am aware that there is no "official" Mario canon, nor is there an "official" Zelda canon, but that does'nt stop fans from speculating what they THINK is canon. I know the series has continuity which is why I speculate the possible canonocity of it's games. When I am deciding whether or not I believe a spin-off is canon, I base my opinion on two things: 1) Does it contradict the Main Series? And 2) Is it recognized as "official" by Nintendo? One example being Super Mario RPG, does it contradict the Main Series(the different map is not a contradiction, just an inconsistency)? No. Is it recognized as "official" by Nintendo(of Japan)? Yes. Now lets apply the same thing to the Super Show, does it contadict the Main Series? Yes(the Games clearly depict the Bros. being born in TMK). Is it considered "official" by Nintendo? While it was considered "official" Mario media by NOA, it was never recognized in ANY way by the parent Company(in Japan). Even now NOA shows no sighns of recognition towards the series. Based on these questions I can assume that SMRPG is "canon", and that the Super Show is not. After applying these to Yoshi's Safari, it seems apppropiate for me to add them to MY "canon", but I am still a little on the edge about it.
But before people start using the "There is NO Mario Canon" line against me, I know that there is no "Official" canon, but we as fans are free to speculate, and the criteria in my above post is what I base those speculations on.
Post by: The Chef on July 02, 2010, 10:06:02 PM
Really, the only contradictions that typically happen are so minor there shouldn't be much of a debate on canonocity. Some things even have explanations that people don't even realize exist, such as Partners in Time explaining why Baby Mario can co-exist with his present self, or Bowser's Inside Story explaining how Bowser can change size at the drop of a hat.
Perhaps the only really major continuity screw-up in the Marioverse is Yoshi's Island DS. which throws out any previously established notion of how old the characters are (Peach and DK in particular) and adds in that stupid "Star Child" backstory. Fine example of why they've typically avoided giving the characters elaborate backstories in previous games.
Post by: EpicGyllynn on July 03, 2010, 02:56:28 PM
Yoshi's Safari is consistent and acknowledged. Most Mario games fall into that category. The only ones that don't are the edutainment/other titles released for non-Nintendo systems.
Really, the only contradictions that typically happen are so minor there shouldn't be much of a debate on canonocity. Some things even have explanations that people don't even realize exist, such as Partners in Time explaining why Baby Mario can co-exist with his present self, or Bowser's Inside Story explaining how Bowser can change size at the drop of a hat.
Perhaps the only really major continuity screw-up in the Marioverse is Yoshi's Island DS. which throws out any previously established notion of how old the characters are (Peach and DK in particular) and adds in that stupid "Star Child" backstory. Fine example of why they've typically avoided giving the characters elaborate backstories in previous games.
I knew about the timehole thing, but this was the first I've heard someone use Bowser's Inside Story as an explanation for Bowser's size incosistency(I guess we can't call it that anymore). I think we can all agree that the edutainments are best left out, but I still question the Party games(Did they really happen? Do they have alternate continuity? Is there a special Party dimmension, etc?). Aside from that, I think that most Mario games(And admittedly, Yoshi's Safari) contribute to that continuity. And I agree with the Yoshi's Island DS part. Heres an idea about a New Topic: Why are Bowser and his minions(Bowser Jr, King Boo, Petey Pirhana, etc.) allowed to compete in the Mushroom Kingdom's annual sporting events?
Post by: Weegee on July 03, 2010, 03:25:52 PM
Why are Bowser and his minions(Bowser Jr, King Boo, Petey Pirhana, etc.) allowed to compete in the Mushroom Kingdom's annual sporting events?
They set aside their conflicts, just like in the IRL Olympics.
Post by: The Chef on July 03, 2010, 03:44:40 PM
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but I still question the Party games(Did they really happen? Do they have alternate continuity? Is there a special Party dimmension, etc?).
That depends. All of them have plots in some way or another, but Mario Party 2's plot is revealed at the end to be a stage show at the Mario Land theme park. Mario Party 3's plot is debatable considering how it ends with whichever character you picked becoming "the Superstar of the Universe", but it's implied that Luigi is the default character (the cursor is on him at the selection screen, he doesnt have a corresponding Star Stamp, Waluigi is the villain, Waluigi's Island looks like it previously belonged to Luigi).
Mario Party 6's introduction is told entirely via the Miracle Book and is said to take place in "Mario Party World", so perhaps the events of that game are really just a written story. The rest of the Party games all fit pretty well with the exception of some odd out-of-character moments (really, Mario not being able to stand up to Bowser? Bowser suddenly turning nice for no reason? Mario and Wario not hating each other's guts?), though those could probably be explained away one way or the other (Wario could easily be an uninvited party crasher for instance).
Post by: Toad on July 03, 2010, 06:15:46 PM
Piranha Plant... root
XD
The rest of the Party games all fit pretty well with the exception of some odd out-of-character moments (really, Mario not being able to stand up to Bowser? Bowser suddenly turning nice for no reason? Mario and Wario not hating each other's guts?), though those could probably be explained away one way or the other (Wario could easily be an uninvited party crasher for instance).
If you think of them moreso as board game pieces or actors, these become less out of character. (Kinda like the Muppets: off-stage they all know/hang out with eachother, but for the movies/shows/etc, the play their parts)
Post by: The Chef on July 03, 2010, 11:53:02 PM
Post by: EpicGyllynn on July 05, 2010, 01:26:48 AM
Post by: CrossEyed7 on July 05, 2010, 01:44:28 AM
I call the planet Amana, personally.
Post by: EpicGyllynn on July 05, 2010, 03:08:48 AM
Plit came from Lemmy's Land, along with quite a bit of other fanon/fanfic/world-building, like the (now-disproven) idea that Bowser Jr. is Ludwig. Don't know if there's any meaning behind the name.
I call the planet Amana, personally.
Amana? That actually has a nice ring to it. In one of your previous post(I think on Page 94) you posted a link to a Map that you made, I tried the link, but a message said it had expired. The comments you got were positive, so I wanted to see it for myself. Please send me a Link.
Post by: CrossEyed7 on July 05, 2010, 12:21:02 PM
There should be a picture up there, and this (http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2032044&id=55303319&l=4f9b823077) link should work for closeups of the continents.
Needs some updating, though. I've combined the Mushroom Kingdom into one continent (http://lh3.ggpht.com/_z3qOPdy0bWw/SlIrhoLOt5I/AAAAAAAACPE/D6dOa0rUHeQ/image-8.jpg), moved Rogueport and the other TTYD locations to below Jewelry Land (http://lh4.ggpht.com/_z3qOPdy0bWw/SlIrsR40yhI/AAAAAAAACPQ/VSL-pXwul1g/image-11.jpg), and moved the Waffle Kingdom somewhere else (not sure yet where) (http://lh5.ggpht.com/_z3qOPdy0bWw/SlIrvud02DI/AAAAAAAACPU/uHzC6Y365II/image-12.jpg).
Post by: EpicGyllynn on July 06, 2010, 10:20:45 PM
Post by: Koopalmier on July 14, 2010, 01:24:28 AM
... Too bad SMG2 annihilated it. Also your map would mean the Mushroom World (that's the planet's official US name, although in the JAP version it was only referring to the collection of kingdoms in SMB3, while the planet as a whole is called Earth) is smaller than our planet, which is quite wrong as it appears around twice bigger.
Here's the world map as seen in SMG2 (red zone = the other map below, purple zone = Grass Land, pink zone = where SMB happened) (the deserts are seen in the beta version):
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa.imageshack.us%2Fimg715%2F8421%2Fmariomap.png&hash=0886dd40ef51242e70f3c9f9270f7e87)
Map 2 (the Mushroom Kingdom and surrouding places) (I couldn't get everything due to a problem. To the west are the rest of the SMRPG map, but also Dinosaur Land and Yoster Island):
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa.imageshack.us%2Fimg203%2F5033%2Ftruemk.png&hash=67ffaadb94ada75b5d5cd1c30ff2e404)
Sorry for any complicated thing, error, typo, stuff you don't understand or whatever. Now Il'l go to bed because I'm delirious due to a lack of sleeping.
EDIT: M&L2's Star Hill is located too far to be on the second map. It must be at the very north of the continent.
Post by: Alisbet on July 14, 2010, 01:40:35 AM
(https://themushroomkingdom.net/board/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsphotos.ak.fbcdn.net%2Fphotos-ak-sf2p%2Fv143%2F160%2F73%2F55303319%2Fn55303319_31009655_7128.jpg&hash=86ada57ffe1d361a23416cf68c7f9c5c)
There should be a picture up there, and this (http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2032044&id=55303319&l=4f9b823077) link should work for closeups of the continents.
Needs some updating, though. I've combined the Mushroom Kingdom into one continent (http://lh3.ggpht.com/_z3qOPdy0bWw/SlIrhoLOt5I/AAAAAAAACPE/D6dOa0rUHeQ/image-8.jpg), moved Rogueport and the other TTYD locations to below Jewelry Land (http://lh4.ggpht.com/_z3qOPdy0bWw/SlIrsR40yhI/AAAAAAAACPQ/VSL-pXwul1g/image-11.jpg), and moved the Waffle Kingdom somewhere else (not sure yet where) (http://lh5.ggpht.com/_z3qOPdy0bWw/SlIrvud02DI/AAAAAAAACPU/uHzC6Y365II/image-12.jpg).
Wow, that looks like a great and detailed map of the Mushroom World. Good Job.
Post by: Toad on July 15, 2010, 04:54:39 PM
Post by: EpicGyllynn on July 16, 2010, 12:57:39 AM
It was made Kamikaze Koopa(the guy who made THIS thread) and the people there are great.. but.. the site needs more "Active" Members, as it only has 6 or 7. It may not seem like much at first but if more people would join, it could be great again!
Post by: johnny1up on September 25, 2010, 04:05:31 PM
-Donkey Kong
-Mario Bros.
-Super Mario Bros.,Super Mario Bros. 2, Super Mario Bros. 3
-Super Mario World
-Super Mario 64
-Super Mario Sunshine
-Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario Galaxy 2
But even doing that would be insane, so I'm just not going to even try to make sense out of it all.
Post by: The Chef on October 02, 2010, 01:01:06 PM
Post by: johnny1up on October 10, 2010, 11:18:45 AM
I fail to see how it's "impossible" or why those are the only games that should be counted.
There's over 200 games. If you can prove that they can all be made sense out of while not contradicting each other I'll admit I was wrong. I thought of these games because they're the mainstream Mario games.
Post by: Fawful Fan on October 11, 2010, 05:26:04 PM
Post by: johnny1up on October 13, 2010, 03:37:46 PM
Post by: Fawful Fan on October 13, 2010, 04:37:18 PM
Post by: johnny1up on October 16, 2010, 08:19:49 PM
Post by: Weegee on November 11, 2010, 07:28:23 PM
Post by: ShadowBrain on November 11, 2010, 08:05:23 PM
I remember getting confused about that issue a bit when, in M&L:BiS, it was "Bowser Castle", not "Bowser's Castle".
Post by: Weegee on November 11, 2010, 08:15:37 PM
*Paper Mario character of that name nonwithstanding
Post by: Chupperson Weird on November 11, 2010, 08:48:14 PM
Anyway. Nintendo of America is dumb, so they decided to change Peach's name to Toadstool when the original SMB came out to fit with the whole "Mushroom" theme. Eventually they wised up and realized that Peach is a way cooler name.
Bowser has always been Bowser's American name though. They didn't ever change it here. It's always been Koopa in Japan and it's always been Bowser here. (A lot of people seem to think he was Koopa in SMB, but the manual clearly calls him Bowser. I guess whoever made the cartoons wasn't paying attention.)
Post by: Toad on November 12, 2010, 03:01:51 PM
What confused me about the cartoons is why they claimed the SMB2 enemies worked for Bowser (Mouser, Birdo, and such), but still had some of the game mechanics in the cartoon (throwing veggies, sometimes the jumping sfx, and other such things) yet they made no mention of Subcon or Wart that I can think of.
Post by: CrossEyed7 on November 12, 2010, 04:32:04 PM
In-universe, it's not really that big of a problem, since Shy Guys and Birdos clearly exist in the Mushroom World as well as in Sub-Con. If Sub-Con was just a dream, then it'd make sense for Mario to have nightmares about the enemies that tried to kill him when he was a baby. If it's some kind of alternate reality (I tend to think of it as a completely pliable universe which everyone goes to when they're asleep, and which was also the setting of Link's Awakening), then whatever.
Post by: ShadowBrain on November 12, 2010, 06:15:33 PM
Post by: The Chef on November 14, 2010, 12:22:39 AM
The other thing I'd like to point out is that SMB2 wasn't just a dream. Heck, the game even has a direct sequel in the form of BS Super Mario USA.
Post by: Weegee on November 15, 2010, 01:07:29 AM
Post by: 1UP on November 15, 2010, 03:55:30 PM
Anyhoo:
Anyway. Nintendo of America is dumb, so they decided to change Peach's name to Toadstool when the original SMB came out to fit with the whole "Mushroom" theme. Eventually they wised up and realized that Peach is a way cooler name.Why is everyone always so quick to hate on Nintendo of America? They've made some decent contributions to the Mario franchise (Mario's Time Machine not being one of them, but still). Fun Fact: Did you know that it was Nintendo of America who gave Mario his name (after deciding to change it from Jumpman)?
Bowser has always been Bowser's American name though. They didn't ever change it here. It's always been Koopa in Japan and it's always been Bowser here. (A lot of people seem to think he was Koopa in SMB, but the manual clearly calls him Bowser. I guess whoever made the cartoons wasn't paying attention.)I just looked through the SMB instruction manual and, wow... I had never noticed that! Good eye!
Post by: The Chef on November 15, 2010, 06:11:58 PM
Perhaps the events of SMB2 were a dream, though. It's like one of us having a dream about going to North Korea to take out Kim Jong-il.
Except the plot of BS Super Mario USA is about the King of Subcon inviting Mario back to give him a set of congratulatory gold statues in return for saving his kingdom the first time. Then Wart, in a fit of vengence, orders his Birdos to steal them and hide them all over the seven worlds.
Post by: Fawful Fan on November 15, 2010, 11:35:26 PM
In all seriousness, yes, Bowser's last name is Koopa. Otherwise, Larry Koopa wouldn't be Larry Koopa.
Post by: Jman on November 15, 2010, 11:39:42 PM
because (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goombah)
Anyway. Nintendo of America is dumb, so they decided to change Peach's name to Toadstool when the original SMB came out to fit with the whole "Mushroom" theme. Eventually they wised up and realized that Peach is a way cooler name.
Bowser has always been Bowser's American name though. They didn't ever change it here. It's always been Koopa in Japan and it's always been Bowser here. (A lot of people seem to think he was Koopa in SMB, but the manual clearly calls him Bowser. I guess whoever made the cartoons wasn't paying attention.)
Oh dear. I remember I made a complete fool of myself a long time ago on this very forum over this subject.
Post by: Puqtd on March 06, 2011, 09:05:10 AM
Post by: coolkid on March 06, 2011, 05:50:50 PM
And at Chupp, regarding the cartoons, implying that the people who did any of those DiC animated adaptions (Captain N, Super Mario Bros. Super Show, The Legend of Zelda, etc.) actually did more than like
wrong.
Post by: The Chef on March 06, 2011, 07:20:48 PM
Post by: CrossEyed7 on June 06, 2011, 11:47:34 PM
"Check out Luigi, Mario's older, taller bro."
Was this ever confirmed before?
(Yes, that is an official Nintendo-operated page)
Post by: Weegee on June 06, 2011, 11:56:41 PM
Post by: The Chef on June 07, 2011, 07:17:54 AM
Post by: ShadowBrain on June 07, 2011, 07:30:19 AM
Post by: Weegee on June 07, 2011, 08:29:32 AM
Post by: Hello:) on October 17, 2012, 04:37:23 PM
Plot twist: Luigi is Mario's father.Incest?
Post by: CrossEyed7 on November 24, 2014, 09:16:38 PM
(Also, after three and a half years, that album (http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.227058783988019.76826.226162457410985) still says Luigi is older than Mario, even though the bio page (https://www.facebook.com/NintendoLuigi/info?tab=page_info) says Mario's older. I think it's pretty safe to say it's an anomaly, but it's still weird that they never fixed it.)
Post by: Weegee on November 25, 2014, 04:46:37 PM
Screw you, science.
Incest?
Twincest ;)