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This Is From http://cube.ign.com
A Smashing E3
Nintendo to unveil its GameCube Super Smash Bros. 2 at the Electronics Entertainment Expo.
April 30, 2001
Leaks at Nintendo of America have verified that the company will officially unveil the HAL-developed GameCube sequel Super Smash Bros. 2 at the forthcoming Electronics Entertainment Expo in Los Angeles, California. The game is scheduled to be on display at Nintendo's booth in playable form, according to sources.
Super Smash Bros., Nintendo 64's best fighter, stars all sorts of major Nintendo mascots including Link, Samus, Mario and Kirby, and pits them in battle across a series of polygonal levels. Despite using polygons, the game's mechanics simulate those of a traditional 2D fighter. The title's fast fights and intuitive control scored it an 8.5 out of 10 and an IGN.com Editors' Choice Award.
The news is especially well received as it's a final validation that a long rumored Super Smash Bros. sequel for GameCube is indeed underway, and that the game is much further along than anyone could have previously suspected.
Unfortunately, we have been unable to discover details about the title, but we anticipate that it will literally be an extension of the Nintendo 64 offering, with probably more characters and arenas, as well as hugely improved visuals that more adequately represent the power of Nintendo's next-generation console. Developer HAL Laboratories may, in fact, have even upped the ante to allow for full freedom of movement in 3D this time around.
Full details will be known in little more than two weeks. In the meantime, you can safely assume this one will launch with the GameCube in the US this November.
Cant Wait!!
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Thtat is so cool! Super SMASH Bros. 2 is finally coming out! Only one question, why isn't it for the N64? The N64 is still alive and kickin', so why not release it for the N64?
Sega and Nintendo both rule!
It is I, the great Mario Maniac!
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Hmm Its Gonna Be One Of The First Gamecube Games I Dont Know. n64 or gamecube i dont care i cant wait
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I told you "Super Smash Bros. 2" was coming out! You all said I was crazy, that it was just a re-release of the original. Now who's crazy? : )
Lee "Mega 2" Sherman
Sneaky Lying Cheating Giant Ninja Koopa.
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I Didnt Say U Was Crazy I Knew They Would Make It Soon And I Still Cant Wait For It
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Ah come on Mario Maniac, it's not still THAT live and kicking. Most people I know have sold them off to pay for either current consoles, or to get a bit of cash in the kitty for the GBA and GC.
Plus, many shops have slowed or stopped stocking anything but the latest games on the N64 (of which there are about 2), and game production for it has almost stopped entirely.
Which means that SSB2 will be a welcome GC release. This must mean it'll be one of the release titles. Oooh! I hope there are positively LOADS of characters ^_^
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I have a feeling that SSB 2 will be more Mario and Pokémon based than SSB 1...
--Andrevan
~The Nintendo King~
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Ergh, double post...Delete this.
--Andrevan
~The Nintendo King~
Andrevan@aol.com
Edited by - Andrevan1 on 5/5/2001 2:55:56 PM
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We will know in a few hours. Of course, by the time you read this, E3 would have probably come and gone. Still, woo-hoo! Smash Bros. 2! I still think there's no chance of Pit from Kid Icarus making it into the game, though.
It''s hard to save the world when you''re a penguin in wizard clothing.
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Actually, Penguinwizard, you might be wrong. Go to the Nintendo website and they describe Smash Brothers Melee as having characters from vintage NES days, like the cult figure Ice Climber... you know, the little eskimo dude with the hammer? And if HE makes it in, guys like Pit actually stand a chance.
Incidently, I read at the GIA that the demo wowed audiences with new playable characters like Bowser and Shiek from Zelda: Ocarina of Time. Bowser! Shiek! And Shiek is Zelda! We can finally play as Princess Zelda (although she will look like a boy...)
While I'm at it, I would like to see Peach, Wario, Joanna Dark, Banjo, and King Hippo from Punch-Out thrown into the mix as well...
Edited by - The Biggest Boo on 5/16/2001 8:41:44 PM
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It's REALLY hard to believe any of that. Can you tell me where you found this GIA thing? What's the website?
Peaceful penguins, demented dragons and growling griffins, oh my.
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Okay, I believe you.
But so far, we don't know of any new characters except Zelda and some others.
btw, i'm kinda disappointed with the new StarFox GameCube news. The only Star-Foxy thing we've heard from them is that Fox will be in it. So what happened to Peppy and Falco?! (note how I didn't include Slippy, hehe). Is Nintendo once again gonna forget Fara? If they even forget Falco, why I'll just explode!
Peaceful penguins, demented dragons and growling griffins, oh my.
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What's Confirmed So Far:
Super Smash Bros. Melee (as it will be called) WILL launch with GameCube.
All the regular characters are back, like Ness.
Gradual gray shading effect for percentages gone :(
It's just weird for me how Bowser has the Mushroom Kingdom as an icon.
Footage of Ice Climber perhaps overused in the game footage seen at IGN.com
New Characters Confirmed:
Zelda (or Sheik, or both)
Bowser (!)
Ice Climber
Peach (NOOO!!!)
New Characters I Hope To See:
Pit from Kid Icarus
Fara Phoenix (or Falco Lombardi)
Any other EarthBound character
Wario or Waluigi
btw, I saw the new looks of the characters. EXCELLENT!!! And we finally get to see Yoshi's grand new look on the GameCube! I'm so happy! I can't wait!
We also got to see Ness's GameCube look as well as Bowser's new look. He does look like Bowser, but now he looks SO much different than what we're used to. Go to IGN.com to see what I mean.
Peaceful penguins, demented dragons and growling griffins, oh my.
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GAMECUBE! Yippee! I can't wait! Super Smash Bros. 2, I can't wait!
Anyway, Super Smash Bros,. 2 will include the following characters -
Mario
Luigi
Kirby
Pikachu
Ness
Link
Donkey Kong
Fox McCloud
Jigglypuff
Captain Falcon
Bowser
Peach
Samus
Ice Climber (who is that?)
and more...
FOR MORE INFORMATION...
Go to nintendo.com, click on the E3 icon on the lower-right corner of the screen to go to the E3/Nintnedo GAMECUBE site. There, you will see video clips and screenshots of all (that's right, ALL) the new GAMECUBE games!
Is that cool or what!
Also, Luigi's Mansion is definately going to be a new GAMECUBE game! The point of the game (from the screenshots I saw) is simple...
Luigi goes to a mansion to relax, but finds that it's inhabited by ghosts! What you must do is go around the mansion and kill the ghosts in the style of Ghostbusters - You shine your flashlight at the ghosts and they disappear for a second, then you need to suck them up with a vacuum hose. Pretty cool isn't it?
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Hey Penguinwizard, wasn't Fara Phoenix just a character from the Nintendo Power Star Fox comics? The only female character I recall is Katt Munroe from Star Fox 64.... And by the way, I would bet money on Pit showing up in the new Smash Brothers.
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Yes, Fara was from the Star Fox comics. Sad too, because it looked like she would have potential had she been a normal character.
Next, I take back the statement about the shading percentages being gone. I looked up some new movies, and they're still there.
New Additions:
The colors used for logo things like "Game Set" are different. For example, now Game Set has black and red colors (cool!)
Backgrounds are changed for the better. DK Jungle now has a rushing waterfall, and Great Fox now flies over Corneria.
Bad News: The arenas have been slightly edited. For example, DK Jungle looks smaller, doesn't have the rotating middle platform, and now there's a small platform to the bottom right corner that wasn't there before.
But do you think Dino Riki might make it into Smash Bros? If you don't know who he is, he might pop up. After all, they got Ice Climber. So why not?
Peaceful penguins, demented dragons and growling griffins, oh my.
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It's too bad they didn't put in Mike from Startropics, but at least Ness has his own level. Also, Nintendo forgot:
Wario
Paula
Poo
Jeff
KID Link
Shigeru Miamoto.
Oh well.
http://bow_papermario.tripod.com/bowsmansion/
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Ok, I'm gonna explode. Sorry, I have to rant about this to someone.
The new Star Fox / Dinosaur Planet hybrid does NOT feature the Star Fox team. Instead, the only Fox reference is having Fox replace the main character. Arwing missions also pop up, but that's not enough to make it a Star Fox game in any way!
Here's the disappointing news I heard from Nintendo on this game:
Star Fox Adventures: Dinosaur Planet picks up the action eight years after Fox McCloud, the best pilot in the Lylat System, defeated Andross. His team has since been disbanded - Falco is pursuing a solo career; Slippy's working in research and development; and Peppy has retreated to the calmer life of mission support. Ultimately it is Fox alone who must address the plight of Dinosaur Planet.
No Peppy? Sniff. No Slippy? Well, that's a plus. No Falco? Big mistake. To top it off, Fox's teammate in the game isn't the least bit Lylat-related. It coulda been Falco, but no! I would have preferred the new Dinosaur Planet characters, like Saber, if that was one of them.
Peaceful penguins, demented dragons and growling griffins, oh my.
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Okay, I just saw the movies of Super Smash Bros. Melee. and I have to say WOW!!! It looks FANTASTIC!!! Peach! Bowser! Ice Climber! Shiek AKA Zelda! Everything looks just awesome!! Check it out at e3.nintendo.com!!
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More New Info:
Slippy and Peppy will make appearances in Star Fox Adventures: Dinosaur Planet, but only to give advice along the way. Oh WHY did Slippy have to be one of them?
Apparently Mario will appear in Luigi's Mansion. A quote from the E3 Nintendo site said that the premise of the game was Luigi searching for his brother in the mansion. So, Mario will probably pop up near the end.
It really looks like they made the back of Yoshi's head flat. As we all know, it's not supposed to be like that. Now those Smash Bros. Melee guys totally goofed on Yoshi's appearance just from that one error. Just great...
On a positive note, E3 is today. Hopefully IGN will have a heart (not) and reveal the new contestants that will appear. Unless all the vintage NES characters are secret characters!
But hey, since Ness made it in as a secret character in the last game, make way for the Cube rendition of Pit! I hope.
Peaceful penguins, demented dragons and growling griffins, oh my.
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Will they keep all those nifty Items like Hammers and Beam Swords?
Happy? IMPOSTER...I Never Use H word!!!
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It would seem so... IGN.Com also reported that in addition to the old items, new items would show up. The examples they gave were an Umbrella (probably Peach's from SMRPG) and a Super Scope Six. You know, the light gun from the old SNES days. Coolness.
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Hey, if you're interested, I'm making a section on my new webpage that will give all sorts of info on it (i'm sure i've said this before). Just go to
http://www.angelfire.com/home/kooperyoshi/smash.html
right now, virtually nothing is up. but you'll be able to see the new design. don't bother going to this site until about a week has passed. by then it will work.
Peaceful penguins, demented dragons and growling griffins, oh my.
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I've gotten ahold of another Smash Bros. video, and you can hear the audience in the background. Here's the characters they showed in order, as well as the audience response and my comments:
Mario: Well of course he appears first. A lot of people cheered for him. Apparently Mario will have his cape in this Smash Bros. too.
Peach: You could hear some applause, but it was very faint just like with the rest of the movie. Guess they didn't focus on audience audio.
Yoshi: I thought I could hear some applause, and Yoshi is looking good, but I did notice a big glitch in his shadow once.
Kirby: You can hear one person going "Whoo!" Guess people like Kirby.
DK: I couldn't hear any audience cheers.
Ness: It's obvious that some people cheered for Ness. It's not as strong as I would have hoped, however.
Bowser: Faint applause.
Captain Falcon: Not sure.
Fox: Almost no applause. But Fox made some mean fighting noises.
Samus: No duh! Samus easily gained the MOST applause. It was also noticably louder than that given for Mario!
Pikachu: No applause, hehe.
Link: Some audible applause.
Shiek (I guess this will be final name): Faint applause. I wonder why...
Ice Climber: Some applause. Certainly more than given for Shiek.
And strangely, the crowd applauded loudest for the beginning and ending of the movie.
Tell me what you think. I think the audio should have been more focused on audience, cause I'm sure someone clapped for Captain Falcon and others.
I'll get some sounds of the applaud rates on my site soon.
Peaceful penguins, demented dragons and growling griffins, oh my.
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I did a bit of research regarding those Ice Climbers. If you go here:
http://www.world-of-video-games.com/nes/manuals/ice_climber.shtml
You'll find that the names of the climbers are Popo and Nana (Popo's the boy, Nana's the girl). Now we know.
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Even more Smash Bros. 2 info:
I don't think all the characters from the original will return. From what we've seen, there's no word on Luigi or Jigglypuff returning. But then again, they might be secret characters...
Chances of Dino Riki popping up in the game: 0%.
No word yet on Kid Icarus. If anything, a secret character.
There seems to be some one-player "adventure" mode. I'm assuming the way it works is that it's like a very big bonus stage. Except that there's actually color in them :) , you're likely to go up against more of your foes as you go along your trek, and it being an adventure won't make it any easier than a regular mode.
I've heard how a special tournament mode will pit you with up to 64 other combatants. Probably the Polygon Team again, but think for a sec. They might be several characters with different suits.
No word on if we'll see Mario in the Wario clothing again.
In fact, no new suits have been shown!
A lot of detail has gone into Bowser. Check out one of the FMV shots to see what I mean. And he still has that wacky red hair of his...
Mario has REALLY changed. Look at his overalls, and you can clearly see the denim texture (awesome!). Plus, this MUST be the "new" mature Mario. Look at him, he's SLIM! He also looks taller (!), and there's something else about him that looks different.
Samus obviously received the most applause in a recent E3 video.
Some new screenshots and videos of the adventure mode do show that there will be Koopas, Goombas, seals (of the Ice Climber universe), and more.
In one E3 video, for the intro, they showed off the beginning of a tempting Mario vs. Link match. It's obvious that Nintendo sees this as one of the greatest matchups, so it's only fitting that for the intro, we see Mario and Link looking at eachother, in fighting stance. And then this magical moment ends just as Mario makes the first punch...
We're all hyped up for it now more than ever.
Peaceful penguins, demented dragons and growling griffins, oh my.
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Here's some interesting pictures I captured from the Smash Bros. videos and put up on my site:
http://www.angelfire.com/home/kooperyoshi/bowsah.jpg
This link above shows off that those game creators really knew how to add detail to Bowser. What I'm mainly referring to is the "bulge" on Bowser's chest (I know what it is, but I don't think the forums would let me say it). But hey, I noticed it, so I decided to put it here. The bulge has been there in the past, but this is the first time it is truly noticable.
http://www.angelfire.com/home/kooperyoshi/bowsah2.jpg
I always knew Bowser was cute in one way or another, but this pic really seems to hit home. There's just something about his face.
http://www.angelfire.com/home/kooperyoshi/yoshi.jpg
If anything, check out this photo. It's a HUGE graphical mistake, and it was part in an E3 video! You'd think they wouldn't allow a mistake like THIS to pass them by, but I guess now we know better.
It shows Yoshi jumping, and you can see his shadow on the paper background. One problem: part of the shadow is clipped when it clearly shouldn't, making it look like the shadow of Yoshi's head look like it was cut in half. You simply must see it to believe it.
Tell me what you think of these pics, even although they had no point.
Peaceful penguins, demented dragons and growling griffins, oh my.
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Hey, check this out. Looks like Pit from Kid Icarus will be in Smash Bros. Melee after all.
http://cube.ign.com/news/35351.html
It's not a confirmation, but IGN is pretty sure that HAL (the developers of the game) have at least considered putting Pit in the game. After all, how else would you explain seeing a certain Icarus-looking kid on a demo of Smash Bros.?
And about all those extra spots in the Character Select screen, I never noticed those. But they are there, so we can only imagine who will pop up. We know Pit has a good chance of returning. Maybe Dino Riki will return as well.
As for the Star Fox change for Dinosaur Planet, it was mainly done because the main character, Sabre, looked like Star Fox. But think about it. Krystal looks a lot like Fara. Rare would be stupid not to include Fara, if they've already included other Star Fox characters. But knowing Rare, there's not a good chance of it happening.
btw, anyone remember the old Metroid comics? Like Houston, the guy in the blue suit? We also got to see one of the living Bird people (I forget his name, it was something like Cho).
Peaceful penguins, demented dragons and growling griffins, oh my.
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I kinda doubt we will see Dino Riki... The game was made by Hudson Soft, not Nintendo. Since there are so many beloved characters made by Nintendo (Pit, for example) it seems unlikely to me that Nintendo would pay Hudson Soft to use one of their characters.
...Then again, if they did, we might see other cool characters like Bomberman and Master Higgins from the Adventure Island series... Now THAT would be cool, no?
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On Super Smash Bros. Melee's page at nintendo.com they have a very intresting quote about a new item. (This is not what they actually said but based on it.) "Did you ever think the raygun was a cheap way to attack? Well, wait until you see the new laser machine gun!" Hmm... I guess that'll add some more mayhem. (I hate it it when you get juggled by a raygun. Now I'll really die in SSBM.)
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Wait a minute! What do you mean Sheik is Zelda, Biggest Boo? Sheik is supposed to be a boy, right? And Zelda is a girl, isn't she? Please give me the most detailed explanations, O.K?
Only someone will remain as the true Nintendo mascot. That someone is Mario. Go, Mario, Go!
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Did you play Zelda: Ocarina of Time? I guess not....
If you did, you'd know it's pretty obvious that before Link enters the final castle, Sheif unmasks "himself" to reveal the lovely face of Princess Zelda. After Link went into suspended animation, Zelda was taken away by Impa, who taught her the secrets of the Sheikah people. Zelda, as "Sheik" was Hyrule's heroic force in Link's absence.
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Now explain me the following: How did Zelda turn form girl to boy? Is she trans***ual? Things are turning worse since Ranma 1/2.
Only someone will remain as the true Nintendo mascot. That someone is Mario. Go, Mario, Go!
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Now explain me the following: How did Zelda turn form girl to boy? Is she trans***ual? Things are turning worse since Ranma 1/2.
Only someone will remain as the true Nintendo mascot. That someone is Mario. Go, Mario, Go!
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Hey! How come Zelda changed from boy to girl? Is she trans***ual? Things are getting worse since Ranma 1/2.
Only someone will remain as the true Nintendo mascot. That someone is Mario. Go, Mario, Go!
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I thought Zelda was always a girl.
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Oh man, you just haven't played Zelda, have you?
Zelda is Shiek. Zelda is a girl, always has and always will be. Shiek is just her disguise to help Link on his quest (and for that matter, maybe to escape Gannondorf). Shiek does look like a boy, but it's just Zelda in disguise. If it looked obvious that Shiek was a female, then that would ruin the whole story, wouldn't it?
By the way, maybe you can explain this. Somewhere in the game, one of those Shiekah stones says that Zelda thinks of herself as a tomboy. Tomboy means a girl of BOYISH BEHAVIOR. This explains the Shiekah disguise!
If you want a scary thought, though, try imagining Bowser as a tomgirl. That would never happen, but it would be scary, wouldn't it? Especially if Mario found out.
To be a Koopa, you must become a Koopa.
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Man! I gotta buy that game!
Only someone will remain as the true Nintendo mascot. That someone is Mario. Go, Mario, Go!
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If Fran Mirabella and Matt Cassamina can be official IGN guys, then anybody could be part of IGN!
Of course, we can't. Fran would probably try to use his Oldsmobile against us, use jumper cables to start it, and then go at 5mph for a few seconds before running out of gas and having to walk to Texaco.
If there was any way we could have been at the E3 show, we should have gone for it. I can't wait another half a year for GameCube! I want it NOW!! Besides, somebody has to teach Bowser a lesson.
Here's just a few battles that will be available with the new characters:
Bowser vs. Mario (finally!)
DK vs. Bowser
Link vs. Shiek
Peach, Samus, and Shiek in a Free-For-All
Mario vs. Peach (cool!)
Mario vs. Link vs. Peach vs. Shiek (the ultimate showdown)
C. Falcon vs. Bowser (I don't know why)
Ice Climber vs. Pit (if he makes it into the game)
Pit vs. Mario (that would be great!)
and much more...
When you get your hands on SSBM, who will you play as first? I'd probably choose Link or Yoshi, but Bowser will definitely be one of the first character I'll try. Then Shiek. Then Ice Climber.
To be a Koopa, you must become a Koopa.
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I think my question isn't answered yet. If Sheik is Zelda, How come Sheik has a manly shape (and different colored eyes), compared to Zelda, who is 100% womanly?
Only someone will remain as the true Nintendo mascot. That someone is Mario. Go, Mario, Go!
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There is evidence that Nintendo is talking with SEGA about putting Sonic into the game. Hopefully if they do they will put in more SEGA characters. With any luck, Alex Kidd will finally return!
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Jeez, dude... This is NOT that difficult. Sheik is a disguise! Maybe Zelda had the suit fitted to make her look more manly. Maybe she wears contacts. Maybe she uses some type of magic spell. It's really not that great of a stretch.
Also, the rumors of Sega's involvement in the new Smash Bros. are merely that: rumors. At this point, anyone who says that for sure have confirmation of Sonic in the new game is lying.