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Miscellaneous => General Chat => Topic started by: Toad on July 19, 2007, 09:27:28 PM
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As per the title, you can discuss the books and/or movies here. I thought I would start this up and see how many hits we get before 48 hours from now, when the final Harry Potter book (Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows) has been released. If you know of any of book seven's spoilers, keep them out of this thread please!
Also, people who haven't read all the other books might want to steer clear of this thread unless you want crucial plot points spoiled for you. You have been forewarned..
Now..
Do you think Sirius Black is coming back? Do you think the Mirror of Erised will make another appearance? Do you think that Dumbledore's predictions about the Horcruxes are right? Do you think Harry will live to see the end of the final book?
Share your opinions.
EDIT: Title now marked for spoilers.
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May want to warn of spoilers in the thread title.
Spoilers are pretty inevitable when it comes to discussing a book series as largely successful as Harry Potter.
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I think one of the more mature and developed storylines in Rowling's series is the matter of death. She's mature enough to let a dead character remain dead(headmaster), and so I think she wouldn't revive someone like Sirius who has passed away in the fight for good.
I think that Snape is not evil. I think that Dumbledore planned his death so that Snape could appear truly evil and secretly fight Voldemort from the inside. Perhaps I only believe this theory because it's just barely possible, and it would be very entertaining and "twisty".
RAB is probably Regulus Black, although I loved coming up with theories like Roberta "Bertie" Botts.
I wouldn't mind Harry dying or living in the end. His destiny in the series leads me to believe that if he has to die, so be it for the good of all. It would also mirror Jesus' death and resurrection to save us all, so maybe more religious opposers of Harry Potter will lighten up. Probably not, but whatever, not everyone is Christian anyway. If he lives, I guess that would be happier, but if any of the students are going to die, I think it should be him. Someone like Ron or Luna or someone dying seems a bit out of the blue, and more unexpected and perhaps undeserved as characters.
Of all the possible people to die, I suspect Snape will, in his death attempt to save the wizarding world from Volemort. Now that's climactic!
As for the movies, I do not enjoy them as much as the books, and only really enjoyed PoZ and OotP. The others were okay, but only because I love the books, otherwise I probably wouldn't be so accepting. It would be like seeing Lord of the Rings, which I saw and barely enjoyed because of the special effects and epic battles.
My least favorite book was Chamber of Secrets, which lacked the excitement of a whole new world like the first book had, and because the greater scheme of things wasn't as prominent as it is in the more recent books what with Harry fighting for more than himself in a larger group of interesting wizard characters.
That's all I have to say for now, but I am keen to respond to others' posts. *APPARATE*
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I also believe that Snape is not completely evil, and that the death of Dumbledore was planned. Or maybe I'm just feeling sorry for him because of his bad childhood.
Anyway, I saw Order of the Phoenix not more than an hour ago. I saw Transformers the previous day. Here's a summarization of the impressions I imparted in #TMK...
<opinion> Maybe I'm just angsty about the language and crude humor, but I think that the Order of the Phoenix was much better than Transformers. Order of the Phoenix was much, much less violent than Tranformers. And it had 90% less bad language and sexual references. <Nutjob> Should have said 99%. </Nutjob> Hmm... How about 90% and 100%, respectively. Order of the Phoenix was nice and scary, I think. </opinion>
Lizard Dude later mentioned that "...when that Transformer peed on that dude...that was awesome." Chalk another mark up for crude humor.
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If Snape didn't kill Dumbledore and Malfoy failed in his task, Snape would have died as a result of the Unbreakable Vow. imo, Snape was bluffing that he knew what was going on in the second chapter, and when he found out he went to Dumbledore, who told him to go ahead with it, hence why Snape argued with him in the Forest and why he looked so angry before he cast the Killing Curse; he hated himself for having to do such a horrible task.
EDIT: spoiler tagz
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Here are the last few sentences from the new book!
"And just at that moment, as Lord Voltemore uttered the words Firelus Laturels, and the fireball was hurled toward Harry's war torn body, a strange sound was heard by all. It was the teapot. "Harry, get up, you sleepy, it is time for crumpets." Harry did not wait for a second invitation. Over tea, Harry recounted the strange dream to grandmother Rowling..."
Can you tell I'm not a huge Harry Potter fan?
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WHY DID YOU JUST SPOIL US?! AND SUCH A HUGE SPOILER TOO. AGH
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Based on the spoilers I read for Book 7, I have to say the ending sounds like it really, really sucks. Not in the depressive, non-closure way, more like a "Ugh, that's just poorly written" way.
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Thanks to DeepDiscount.com, I got my HP7 book around 2pm Pacific Time today, seven hours before the NY launch and ten before the LA launch.
As an incentive for ordering with someone who shipped the books out early and ended up allowing spoilers to be posted over the internets, Scholastic called me up and said that I should not read it until midnight tonight. I will receive a $50 credit for their bookstore and a collectable t-shirt.
That's great. I wasn't planning to read it, anyway. Not until I read books 5 and 6.
Oh, and I lol at false spoilers.
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k, I've read the final book (I got it a few minutes after launch @ 9:01am, and after getting home @ 9:30am I read continuously, finishing @ 1:30pm) and it's a very good ending to the series, imo. It was lacking a certain something, but was a good read nonetheless. :]
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I also read it in less than 24 hours from its release, and I was very pleased. It was very entertaining, and I was touched enough by the story that I doubt any criticism of the literary quality or entertainment value can alter the depth of the messages it showed me. No, it didn't change my life and I'm not claiming anything superficial like that; however, I do insist that very solid messages and comparisons are in that book, no matter how boringly or childishly one may believe they were presented. I have no say over the true quality of her execution, and maybe her story isn't delivered as eloquently as other writers. I can see no flaw, but perhaps I am as inexperienced a reader as she is a writer. So what? Her story's lessons still stand, and I am fortunate to enjoy them as well.
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I forgot to mention.
On Saturday, after a long day of work, and right before heading over to K-Mart to buy the book, I ate at a Hometown Buffet and spoiled the ending for a couple of little kids. Accidently of course, because I was just discussing it with my sister casually and didn't notice them next to us.
It was a great relief because I wanted to crash a Harry Potter launch party but never got around to it because no one was willing to give me a ride.
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Okay, trying to avoid giving anything away, I'll just say this. At the end, before the epilogue, I think Rowling ended it too abruptly. I think she should have given more on the events directly following the finale. But, all in all, I really like this one.
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I didn't like the ending. I didn't like how harry named his kid Albus. I didn't like how harry learned everything from Dumbledore in "heaven" (King's Cross). I didn't think it was well written at all. Also the book seemed like not much happened while Harry Ron and Hermione were hiding in their tent. That was like, the whole book. It was odd to find out that Ron was gone at Christmas, it felt like it had only been like two weeks. Otherwise it was a good book
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Ok, so I've read it, and I must say that it's a very good piece of literature. It's not the best, mind, but it closes the series nicely. The ending felt a little un-neccassary, like she just added it on at the last minute or was trying to hard for the happily ever after ending, because the last chapter of the book could have stood without the epilogue.
There is are still a few things I wonder about the series, though: I forget which book it was in, but I remember it was near the end.. It says something about Dumbledore's eyes glowing with a looking of triumph that was gone the next second. Did we ever figure out what that was and I just forgot?
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I really really really liked this one-- I finished it like a week ago. It was my favorite one out of the whole series. I just wish it had been more final. I still long for more Harry Potter.
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A killer end to a killer series--now the wait is on for the last two movies!
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There is are still a few things I wonder about the series, though: I forget which book it was in, but I remember it was near the end.. It says something about Dumbledore's eyes glowing with a looking of triumph that was gone the next second. Did we ever figure out what that was and I just forgot?
Yes- his eyes gleamed with triumph after he found out that Voldemort used Harry's blood to regenerate, therefore unknowingly lengthening the blood protection passed down by Lily. Dumbledore must have known that it would be useful. That is, it wasn't mentioned, but I believe that's why. btw, it was the Goblet of Fire it was in.
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After a series of distractions, I finally finished Deathly Hallows today. And I know now one thing for certain.
YTMND never lies.
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Tough luck for "Ginny Potter". Now every part of her name contains something that impairs judgement.
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^ spoiler-LOL
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I just finished reading Deathly Hallows.
I didn't think it was well written at all.
Otherwise it was a good book
Sounds like you're contradicting yourself there.
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Obviously I meant that one part wasn't well written, and the rest of the book was fine.
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Oh man. I just finished it not more than ten minutes ago. I have to say, I was almost brought to tears (but I have developed an immunity to the shedding of tears over the years). Really really emotional near the ending. I, too, did think it ended a little abruptly. I guess I was just expecting more when Harry and Voldemort finally launched their curses. But, come on, guys, it isn't that easy to end a book at all, especially a fantastic and dramatic series like this. I did think that it seemed a little rushed in parts (one thing unrelated is that the books were in a hurry to be produced, so a lot of them have blemishes and stuff), but you have to give J.K. Rowling credit. She knew what she was doing. Through it all, she still is a tremendous author and writer that really knows her stuff.
Overall, I feel really bad that this incredible series has finally come to a glorious end. I feel ten times worse than when Timpani and Blumiere died/went away at the end of Super Paper Mario. This book was so touching; I could feel everything that happened in the book happening within me. As I type this, I still am suffering from the loss of all of those brave fighters, but yet, reveling in the facts in the last chapters of the book. It's all so hard to describe. I guess my only hope now is that Rowling decides to make an extended epilogue, allowing me to bask in the glory again that is the Harry Potter series.
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Yup, I finished the Deathly Hallows on Wednesday morning, I believe, and the part where Harry discovered that he must inevitably die nearly brought me to tears. But I end up crying easily-- I cried shamelessly at the end of A.I. (movie).
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I didn't really feel like crying at all during the book. The part where Lupin and Tonks died was the only part that really hit me pretty hard, but tears didn't well up.
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Yeah. I really wouldn't have expected them to die. I really hated that Fred died. I thought it was bad enough with George losing an ear.
The hardest and momentarily most confusing moment was when Harry discovered he must die to finish Voldemort once and for all. I was like, "WHAT?! HE CAN'T DO THAT! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" I really liked his discussion with Dumbledore, though. I felt calm and relaxed knowing that Dumbledore was talking again. I had always admired him.
Day Two after finishing, and I think I'm already recovering from the tearful ending.
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Heh... this is a rather insignificant point, but I liked the fact that each of the horcruxes (horcruces?) was destroyed by a different person.
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Yeah, I noticed that too, Fifth.
I really have nothing else to say in this thread. I've been done with the book since a couple days after it came out, and didn't want to post.
EDIT: I actually do have something to say, that I started thinking about when someone in one of the KoL chatrooms brought up the fact that Nearly Headless Nick was celebrating his 500th deathday back in the second book. He apparently died in 1492, which would mean that the book takes place in 1992. This led to me thinking about this fact: the Harry Potter series is full of anachronisms (probably more noticeable in the movies), such as Harry mentioning to his godfather in a letter that his cousin broke a Playstation...back in book 4, which would take place in 1994.
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I remember seeing things like that mentioned on this site that catalogues book mistakes. www.bookmistakes.com I think.
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned Molly Weasley's infamous "NOT MY DAUGHTER, YOU ~" line. Best part ever in my opinion.
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Agreed! Or as they say in Germany, "Abgemacht!"
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That reminded me of the lady in the Half-Blood Prince bookstore crash-- "Hey! Hey! Snape kills Dumbledore." "Noooooooooo, B****! YOU B****!!!!"
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From my diary:
"7/22/07 4:16 AM
I have just finished reading "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows". Great ending. I am filled with a sense of euphoria that I only feel after reading a really good book or seeing a really good movie... "
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I just finished book 7 today, and was very pleased with the ending. I think the epilogue was the best part. I just wish there was more, I think she should cover what happened during those nineteen years.
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<Off Topic>
Hilight the tags!
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Why did you post that here?
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New guy, I take it...
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I just finished book 7 today, and was very pleased with the ending. I think the epilogue was the best part. I just wish there was more, I think she should cover what happened during those nineteen years.
I think I'd rather see what happens in Hogwarts AFTER those 19 years. I want to see all of the kids go to school.
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I'd rather not. Rowling ruined the book by including that tacked-on epilogue. Besides, what would creatively named Potter kids do that would be more interesting than Harry's seven years of dodging death?
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Just cus...............I'M TEN!!!!Total time logged in: 1 days, 5 hours and 44 minutes.
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Pichu25, stop spamming this topic.
Yes, I am aware that I'm not really contributing to the topic, but this is just ridiculous. Pichu25, as a friend, I am warning you about going off topic like this. Seriously, something bad will happen to you if you don't stop. Yes, plenty of people go off topic in several threads just like this one, but you're posting generally useless information that no one cares about.
Forgive me for acting like a back seat mod, but this guy is my friend and I want to help him.
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Perhaps you should have said it in a PM? Also, I kinda liked the epilogue, although Mr. Wiggles makes an interesting point. It wouldn't be very exciting to add book with the Potter kids and such, I just kinda thought it would be an interesting idea.
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I agree with SolidShroom, I think it would be very interesting to see what happens to Albus, Rose, and James at Hogwarts, I would also like to see what happened in James' first year.
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I think if they did that, it would drag on and on. Voldemort's gone, what could happen? Let's nopt make this like Castlevania, where he gets ressurected every other week.
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There would just be different confrontation for the next Potter and Weasley generation.
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I'm sorry.
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...Not sure if this is quite significant a post, but it made me laugh...
http://www.idle-hams.com/images/2007-09-to-2007-12/hogwartshighdrama.png
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Well... Dumbledore's gay. Now what?
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As BirdPerson would gladly tell you, it means Snape was a Republican.
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BirdPerson doesn't seem to be aware that homosexual Republicans exist.
They do. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log_Cabin_Republicans)
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Well... Dumbledore's gay. Now what?
Now I lose even more respect for J.K. Rowling as a writer.
Not because she created a homosexual character, but because she basically threw it out as some throwaway detail after the series has ended, practically keeping it hidden from everyone and never going anywhere with it. Not that it matters, since Dumbledore as a character was just some old fart who'd speak in tongues to Harry and then dies at the hands of Snape in what turns out to be the biggest deux ex machina in a long time.
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BirdPerson doesn't seem to be aware that homosexual Republicans exist.
They do. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log_Cabin_Republicans)
Snape was a stereotypical Republican.
Actually, Melee, didn't she have to bring it up because of the implication that Dumbledore loved a girl was going to be in the script for the Half-Blood Prince movie? It was something like that...
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Melee
Methinks you've been spending too much time in the chatroom. That was Mr. Wiggles, not Mr. Melee.
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Oops! I beg your pardon...
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I don't like it when writers or artists in general don't leave whatever isn't specifically laid out in their material up to the viewer's imagination or interpretation.
Also I think this is just to create a buzz so the movies get free advertising. It revived this thread after all!
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Eh, I do find it odd that she announced it when the book that told of his death was released over a year or so ago.
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TEM, she did leave it to the imagination until the moviemakers tried to mess up her view of her creation and then someone specifically asked her about Dumbledore's love life in a public forum.
Totally fair, if you ask me, since the issue was pressed by other people both times.
Since she was talking about movie 6, you could also say that Dumbledore is only gay in the film universe, and assumed straight or unknown in the book universe.
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It's just a publicity thing, I'm sure; she probably figured she'd make even more cash as gays descend upon bookstores to pick up the whole series. Why didn't she just change the entire series in one adlib remark and say Harry was a woman? Sales among preteen girls would skyrocktet!
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I believe that her comments only meant that that was how she thought of Dumbledore when writing the books. It does not change the books at all.
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Honestly, I saw it as just another one of Rowling's promotions for tolerance (which have had an influential standing in the Harry Potter books since day one).
Think about it; she builds Dumbledore up in the minds of her readers as a respected, wise, and powerful man, and then matter-of-factly reveals him to be homosexual. She's trying to prove that, regardless of a person's orientation, anyone can do great things.
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Supposedly his gay partner was Grindewald.
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Honestly, I saw it as just another one of Rowling's promotions for tolerance (which have had an influential standing in the Harry Potter books since day one).
Think about it; she builds Dumbledore up in the minds of her readers as a respected, wise, and powerful man, and then matter-of-factly reveals him to be homosexual. She's trying to prove that, regardless of a person's orientation, anyone can do great things.
Well, it is true, and it is a very good moral to teach children and young adults. Not just orientation, either. Race, sex, etc. etc.
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Yes, I think she is trying to get across that no matter who you are, you can change the world.
All this "She did it for publicity" stuff is rubbish. She just revealed another detail of the complex character that is Albus Dumbledore.
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You know, I was skimming through the final couple of chapters of the seventh book when this thought occured to me..
How incredibly dense is Snape? He questions why Dumbledore wants to give the Sword of Gryffindor to Harry when he knows full well that Voldemort created Horcruxes.
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You know, I was skimming through the final couple of chapters of the seventh book when this thought occured to me..
How incredibly dense is Snape? He questions why Dumbledore wants to give the Sword of Gryffindor to Harry when he knows full well that Voldemort created Horcruxes.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Dumbledore never mentioned Horcruxes to Snape, or at least not in the flashback from DH; he mentioned that a part of Voldemort's soul went into Harry (which, iirc, could have happened even without the creation of the other six Horcruxes) and that Voldemort would fear for Nagini's life (though Dumbledore never specified why). Snape could have deduced that Voldemort was creating Horcruxes, though it's unlikely; I don't think even Snape would have dabbled in the Dark Arts like that. Anyway, I guess Snape didn't find it necessary for the sword to be given to Harry; his orders were simply to inform Harry of the part of Voldemort inside him when Voldemort begins to fear for Nagini.
^^^ Hallows spoilers, btw...
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But isn't/wasn't Snape one of the Death Eaters that Voldemort shared that fact with (that he had created Horcruxes)?
I guess I should go back and re-read the series again..
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But isn't/wasn't Snape one of the Death Eaters that Voldemort shared that fact with (that he had created Horcruxes)?
Voldemort could have only told them that it was a treasured object of his, much as Harry hypothesized he told Bellatrix. I believe the only Death Eater who knew of the Horcruxes was Regulus Black, though he could have figured it out on his own.
^^^ even more Deathly Hallows spoilers. :o
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Sorry to bring this thread up again after so long, but I was reading the seventh book again, and came across something that still confuses me..
**please note: I'm not going to bother with the spoiler tags. It has been long enough (just over a year) since the last book came out, I think, so if there's still something you don't know about the series, steer clear of this topic.**
Anyway, I forgot which chapter it's in, but on page 617 of the American verison of the book, Harry is trying to talk to the Gray Lady (the Ghost of Ravenclaw), and ask her where/what the Horcrux is. There's a line that goes something like "He (Harry) suddenly understood why she hadn't told Dumbledore or Flitwick this story"
Why was it that she hadn't told Dumbledore or Flitwick is what I sort of don't understand.
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I can only assume it was because of Harry and Voldemort's mutual knack of being able to wheedle information out of unwilling informants, which often answered questions and got them into or out of trouble; Dumbledore and Flitwick, both of whom were really model students and wouldn't have toed the line as either Harry or Voldemort did, probably wouldn't have possessed the same knack due to not needing it. At least, that's what I think. :P