Video Games => Video Game Chat => Topic started by: Mario Maniac on January 30, 2003, 03:24:22 PM
Title: Nintendo's next console...
Post by: Mario Maniac on January 30, 2003, 03:24:22 PM
I just read an interesting editorial at n-archives.com. The staff members of that website were arguing on when Nintendo should release their next system. Now, I want to broaden this discussion here:
Nintendo has current plans to release their next system along side Sony's PlayStation 3, which will probably be sometime in 2005. If they do this, then the GameCube will die out shortly after, since 3rd-party developers will see the newer systems as a better opportunity to develop more advanced games, and won't want to waste their time developing for an older system. However, if Nintendo decides to make their next system backwards-compatible with the GameCube (meaning it will be compatible with all previously-released GameCube games and hardware) then developers might be able to support the system for a few more years. Sony has made the PS2 backwards compatible with the original PS1, and people are still supporting it.
In addition, releasing their next system at the same time as PS3 will only shorten the lifespan of the GameCube to a measly 2 or 3 years. Why would Nintendo want to risk shortening the lifespan of their current system just so they can get ahead of the competition by releasing a newer product? This is not very smart on Nintendo's part.
Even though the success of the GameCube is rather dull compared to the PlayStation franchise, Nintendo should not just give up on it. Give it time; eventually the GameCube will be just as successful as PlayStation 2. It will take some time, but it is definitely worth it if Nintendo is insisting on making a major comeback in the video game industry.
However, if Nintendo decides to release their system after the PlayStation 3, then they will have extra time to focus on further developing their system to match, or possibly beat, the technology-performance of the PS3 (the GameCube far surpasses the technical power of PlayStation 2). But again, if Nintendo does deicide to go with this strategy, then they will be faced with the same problems they had the GameCube: the PS3 will have a ton of success, and when Nintendo does eventually release their next system, they will again have to play "catch up" to match the popularity of PS3. Nintendo definitely cannot risk the support of their fans by having a marketing strategy like this.
So what should Nintendo do: release their next system at the same time as PS3, and further risk having the GameCube fail due to its relatively short lifespan; or should they simply wait until the PS3's popularity increases before releasing their next system to the public?
NOTE: I did not include any comparisons to the Xbox 2's potential launch because I don't really care about the Xbox...
Edited by - Mario Maniac on 1/30/2003 1:36:57 PM
Title: Re: Nintendo's next console...
Post by: Chupperson Weird on January 30, 2003, 11:06:02 PM
I don't think they can afford to wait until after PS3 comes out, for risk of losing any more ground.
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Title: Re: Nintendo's next console...
Post by: Mario Maniac on January 31, 2003, 08:57:43 AM
Well, should Nintendo release their next system before PS3? If they do that, then they will risk shortening lifespan of the GameCube down to 2 or 3 years. By that time, the GameCube's popularity would have probably increased, and Nintendo would just be angrying their fans for not giving the GameCube enough time to bulk up on a decent library of games. Why can't Nintendo just wait until the GameCube has built up a decent reputation before releasing their next system?
However, I think Nintendo can further prolong the lifespan of the GameCube if they make their new system backwards-compatible with GameCube accessories and games. Then developers won't have to quit supporting it, since all of the GameCube games being made will also be compatible with Nintendo's new system.
That would be kind of like how the PlayStation 2 is compatible with PlayStation 1 games and accessories... Sony's strategy has paid off well, since developers are seeing that they can still make PS1 games that are compatible with PS2.
I think Nintendo is simply rushing things just to get ahead of the competition... Why can't things be like they were in the past, before all this PlayStation hype? Nintendo is starting to act just as bad as Sony when it comes to competition...
People who like video games should also like Nintendo. People who don''t like Nintendo obviously don''t like video games.
Edited by - Mario Maniac on 1/31/2003 7:05:26 AM
Title: Re: Nintendo's next console...
Post by: Chupperson Weird on February 01, 2003, 01:05:56 AM
What a dilemma.
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Title: Re: Nintendo's next console...
Post by: CharginChuck on February 01, 2003, 07:59:00 PM
For Nintendo's sake, their new system should come out before PS3.
Title: Re: Nintendo's next console...
Post by: Dr. Mario on February 12, 2003, 02:21:42 PM
I think that Nintendo does have to keep up with the competition. I also think that they should make it backwards compatable so we can play Gamecube games on it.
Title: Re: Nintendo's next console...
Post by: CharginChuck on February 12, 2003, 05:39:39 PM
Well, according to the "Nintendo Nexus Rumor" it can play GCN and GBA games, but it has a high chance of being fake. :-(
Title: Re: Nintendo's next console...
Post by: Chupperson Weird on February 13, 2003, 12:50:51 AM
I fail to see why it would need to play GCN games... like I'm gonna sell my GameCube.. fat chance o' that...
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Title: Re: Nintendo's next console...
Post by: Mecha Bowser on February 13, 2003, 08:12:05 PM
First of all, there are many *cough*morons*cough* who would sell their GC for the newer system. Also, if the new system is backwards compatible with GC games and hardware, then the GBA games would also in turn be playable on the system, thanks to the new GB Player coming out this summer.
Nintendo definitely needs to get their system out before the PS3 in order to be able to get a lead. Obviously the developer to get their system out first will get the installed base before the other developers can even get the system out.
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Title: Re: Nintendo's next console...
Post by: Mario Maniac on February 14, 2003, 01:01:13 PM
I don't neccessarily agree with Mecha Bowser's comment:
"Nintendo definitely needs to get their system out before the PS3 in order to be able to get a lead. Obviously the developer to get their system out first will get the installed base before the other developers can even get the system out."
Sony's PlayStation franchise has already gained a much larger fanbase than any other competitor. This mainly due to their "innovation" in video games and their "evolution" of gaming technology (CD-ROMS replaced game cartriges...DVD-ROMS replaced CD-ROMS).
Nintendo will, once again, have a harder time trying to regain their lost fanbase that went over to support PlayStation. Granted, if Nintendo manages to release their next system BEFORE Sony's PlayStation 3, they will have an advantage for having a head start; but it will still take a while to convince Sony's PlayStation fans that Nintendo is still a worthwhile company...
Title: Re: Nintendo's next console...
Post by: Mecha Bowser on February 16, 2003, 02:49:32 PM
The "innovation" is not what's selling the PS2. It's the developers making games for the huge fan base. The Playstation did change the way video games were done, opting for the CD format over the cartridge and such, but the PS2 has no advantage over the Gamecube or Xbox. Actually, one could argue that the PS2 has the Audio CD and DVD playability and Gamecube does not, so it's better. That argument makes sense if that's what you want. However, the PS2 does not have anything over Xbox, which plays DVDs, CDs, and has far superior graphical capabilities when compared to the PS2, as well as the innovation of being the first console to have a hard drive.
Bottom Line: PS2 was first. More people bought it before GC or Xbox came out. Now GC and Xbox are out, but developers would rather make games for the console with 30 million consumers than the one with 5 million, and therefore the GC and Xbox aren't getting the games that the PS2 is. Thus, people will buy the PS2 because it has the most games. And there are more games because it came out first.
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Title: Re: Nintendo's next console...
Post by: Fifth on February 16, 2003, 07:10:19 PM
"However, the PS2 does not have anything over Xbox, which plays DVDs, CDs, and has far superior graphical capabilities when compared to the PS2, as well as the innovation of being the first console to have a hard drive."
I'll refute that last bit. The Sega CD, an addition to the Genesis during the 16-bit era, used an internal RAM drive to store game data. Granted, it wasn't a very well-known or remembered system, and it had very few good games (though a few great games,) but the fact still remains.
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Title: Re: Nintendo's next console...
Post by: Mario Maniac on February 17, 2003, 01:04:23 PM
All this competition will change once Nintendo releases their next system in direct competition with Sony and Microsoft...
Also, I think the Sega Saturn had an internal hard drive of some type, since it didn't use memory cards to save game data. It's too bad Sega isn't making consoles anymore...I really liked them, next to Nintendo, of course!
Edited by - Mario Maniac on 2/17/2003 11:06:44 AM
Title: Re: Nintendo's next console...
Post by: Mecha Bowser on February 17, 2003, 03:29:46 PM
GWAH HA HA
Edited by - Mecha Bowser on 2/17/2003 1:33:22 PM
Title: Re: Nintendo's next console...
Post by: Mecha Bowser on February 17, 2003, 03:30:46 PM
You're right, my mistake on the Sega thing. The Xbox is the first console with a hard drive to make it big.
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Title: Re: Nintendo's next console...
Post by: Mario Maniac on February 19, 2003, 11:24:11 AM
Hahahaha...! Anyway, do you think Nintendo will incorporate a hard drive of some type into their next console? Sony has announced plans for adding a hard drive in their PlayStation 3...I think.
People who like video games should also like Nintendo. People who don''t like Nintendo obviously don''t like video games.
Title: Re: Nintendo's next console...
Post by: Chupperson Weird on February 19, 2003, 09:51:55 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Hard drives in game consoles are a bad idea!!1!!!11!1!1
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Title: Re: Nintendo's next console...
Post by: Mario Maniac on February 20, 2003, 06:30:55 AM
Why are hard drives a bad idea? You can store practically unlimited game data in them. They're much more efficient than traditional memory cards...
Edited by - Mario Maniac on 2/20/2003 4:31:19 AM
Title: Re: Nintendo's next console...
Post by: Chupperson Weird on February 21, 2003, 01:21:49 AM
Because they're less cool, and because Xbox and Sony are doing them!
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Title: Re: Nintendo's next console...
Post by: Mario Maniac on February 21, 2003, 10:56:58 AM
Okay Chupperson, use LOGICAL explanations...no nonesense the next time you reply!
Title: Re: Nintendo's next console...
Post by: Chupperson Weird on February 22, 2003, 12:18:04 AM
Really, I just don't see a practical use for them.
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Title: Re: Nintendo's next console...
Post by: Aitrus233 on January 27, 2004, 05:14:45 PM
Hard drives have many practical uses chupperson. You can save game data without having to buy a memory card. If the system pemits it, you can copy music to your hard drive. You save money on buying costly memory cards. And you won't have to worry about losing that small memory card.
There may come a time when the strength of Nintendo fails. But that is not this day. This day, we fight! Nintendo is in dire need of help. We have to do something. They cannot win this war alone.
Title: Re: Nintendo's next console...
Post by: Aitrus233 on January 27, 2004, 05:23:00 PM
Although the Nexus was a fake, it wasn't a bad idea actually. The specs were impressive. It had an 8 gig hard drive. 2 gig Hucards. backward playable with GameCube. A GB/GBA slot. 3 high-speed ports, which present different possibilities for it. 2 USB ports add to the possibilities. The wireless controllers, if executed right, could be awesome. They'd just have to make sure it had a decent battery life, a good range, not too pricey, plenty of channels, and a built in rumble feature. (No thank you, Wavebird, I'd rather stay with a cord than give up the rumble feature.) The only problem with it is there was no mention of an Ethernet port for online gaming, and they never said it played DVDs. The DVDs isn't a total loss, but the online gaming is.And don't think the high-speed ports are for that. The GameCube had one, and it was for the Game Boy Player.
There may come a time when the strength of Nintendo fails. But that is not this day. This day, we fight! Nintendo is in dire need of help. We have to do something. They cannot win this war alone.
Title: Re: Nintendo's next console...
Post by: n/a on January 27, 2004, 05:27:42 PM
The year changed while I wasn't looking... Why would you respond to something that was posted a year ago!?
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Title: Re: Nintendo's next console...
Post by: Super Mario on January 28, 2004, 08:42:20 PM
What's it matter if it's a year old or ten seconds old?
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Title: Re: Nintendo's next console...
Post by: Wheel_kirby on January 28, 2004, 11:24:03 PM
Well, think of it like this, The PS2, and the X-box both have things that come with them like being able to save songs, or play dvds and stuff, well if you think about it, which would you rather buy, a system in which the creators spent the whole time consentrating on the games, or a system that the creators spent more time adding stupid additions to the console like dvd players and such. If Nintendo ever makes one of these on their systems i will be sick! I am glad that Nintendo was the only one of the top 3 that consontraded on only games, not add ons. if they let the next console out sooner, they wouldnt have enough time to work on the new console to get it up to its highest poitential which we all know is far beyond the rest since Nintendo has been in the game making business for much longer than they have. Think about it, if they take their time on this next console, then they will be able to make a top notch totally pure system within hopefully mid 2006, to 2007. sure its a long time but the GCN will have time to catch up aswell as most of you are saying.
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Title: Re: Nintendo's next console...
Post by: Chupperson Weird on January 30, 2004, 11:26:25 PM
Here's a better reason that I don't think hard drives are good in consoles: Then the data's not portable. You can do cool stuff with memory cards, since they're portable. I guess you could have both, but... why? Hard drives wear out. Flash Memory Cards don't.
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Title: Re: Nintendo's next console...
Post by: Luigison on January 31, 2004, 12:00:39 AM
Chupp, everything wears out. Somethings just wear out at different rates. Relative to the lifespan of the order in the Universe, flash RAM will decay fairly rapidly. But, most people think of things wearing out in units smaller than there life span and not compared to the whole universe.
Anyway, I think Nintendo should make there next system available at or before Sony's and/or Microsoft's next system(s). That way they don't appear to other to be late in the game. Also, I think they should be backwards compatable with the GCN and GBA if possible. Not for us, but for the people that don't have either or both now. It would be an insentive to people who don't have a GCN or GBA to buy the next N system. And that's what it is all about. Right? It's not us loyals N fans that Nintendo should worry about. We will by its next system not matter what because we love there games. It is the nonNintendo people that them must win (back). They need to gain market share over Sony and Microsoft.
I use similiar logic in suggesting that Nintendo might also want to have DVD (or whatever is the standard later) in there next system. A lot of people bought a PS2 or Xbox because of that feature. I and most of you think the games are way more important, but think of all the people (college students for example) who are on a fixed buget and want to get the most use out of a system. I know that DVDs and players are cheap now so this is sort of a nonissue, but imagine if the GCN had had DVD but at the same price. Would sells have been better? Would sells have been better if it were also released at the same time as the competing systems? I think the answer to both questions is yes. The future may be differnt, but I think Nintendo has learned from it many mistakes (again not with us, but with casual or "mature" gamers) and will outshine it competition on the next go round in part by offering a lot of knew games for a new system that people will want. That might mean slow sells for a little while and may mean we have to wait longer than we like, but image the impact when the new systems with all the lastest features and lost of cool games hit the market.
Title: Re: Nintendo's next console...
Post by: Mario Maniac on February 05, 2004, 03:43:42 PM
Very good point Luigison, I have nothing left to say... You took the words out of my mouth!