Post by: Hope(N Forever) on January 27, 2004, 11:38:18 AM
Today, Hino's dino character has became famous and is known widely! In fact, many websites were created in honour of Yoshi and his other yoshi friends! Sites like:
-Yoshi Art
-Yoshi's Melon Patch
...and if you search a bit harder, you'd find more!!
Unfortunately, although it is 'officially' stated that the character is more appealling to little ones, it seems some grown-up people has taken Hino's 'Yoshi-theme' and turned it into something that appealls to their own taste. This act is not illegal, but if you take a look into sites like Luna's Sanctuary, Corra-ki, Vappy.net, Yoshi6400's Web Zone, and... uh... *ahem*
(Y'know what? I won't even say the name of the last site, because it has artwork full of explicit adult/Yoshi themed pics, some are even pornographic!!)
If you look at the artwork of their 'original' characters properly, you'd find yoshis with anatomical structures much different than Hino's original design, as well as crossing species with those yoshis and hybridity! Beware of the adult themed pics!!
So what is my point here?
Do you think, as a Super Mario based fan, that Yoshi and Hino's 'Yoshi-theme' are being abused just way too much!?
I am a pure Super Mario lover!!
...and in no point in the future will he ever be abandonded by me!
I will even drawn the best Super Mario comics ever to exist!!
Edited by - Hope(N Forever) on 1/27/2004 11:46:35 AM
Post by: WanWan on January 27, 2004, 04:52:58 PM
To answer your question, I don't see how any of those things "abuses" Yoshi. I mean granted, I'm old and cynical and bidding on a YGO yaoi doujinshi on eBay later tonight, but they're only fanworks, and frankly I've seen worse. Also, copyright laws in Japan are different--it's perfectly legal, for example, to create a sexually explicit and/or deviant comic of someone else's copyrighted characters, even characters aimed at a very young audience, and sell it for commercial profit. Once again I have seen a number of offputting Mario fancomics for sale and they're Japanese characters, and it's not illegal.
All that is moot anyway because I still don't really see how you can abuse a fictional character. It's not like the porn sites are marketed for children.
Edited to add that I missed your acknowledgment that the art wasn't illegal, but my point still stands. Oh, and I'm very curious about this site you refuse to name, heh. *shifty*
Edited by - WanWan on 1/27/2004 2:57:25 PM
Post by: Insane Steve on January 27, 2004, 06:14:32 PM
Thanks for confirming this! You just won me five bucks! (No, seriously)
Finally, a truly intelligent discussion thread on the forums. I believe that art is however you interpret it. Although the original character of Yoshi is a fairly imaginary sort of character, build-wise... some people see the character as more realistic, perhaps as some would any other imaginary character. I mean, the character Yoshi can be interpreted in MANY ways, as it has no defined form. Some people merely prefer a truly realistic interpretation of the character. If these people prefer their more human-like Yoshi designs, or the hybrid variations, so be it. Everyone has their own tastes, and I feel that these artists are expressing themselves in the way they feel best with. I don't think Yoshi is being abused, except maybe by Mario in SMW... ;)
In fact, if I had the artistic ability to create a decent Yoshi art site, I'd probably make the character considerably more human-wise emotionally, although the actual physical structure of the character would remain relatively unchanged. That is, they'd be hateful of each other and more violent, you know, those things. (Un?)Fortunately for you all, I cannot draw, and you don't have to worry.
That is my stance on this topic. If you excuse me, I'm going to collect my money now.
~I.S.~
Post by: jon on January 27, 2004, 06:52:42 PM
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Mario likes to dance in his backwards pants! Yay!
Post by: Fifth on January 28, 2004, 12:30:49 AM
To me, Yoshi's non-human characteristics - both physically and personality-wise - is part of what makes him so appealing (I always tend to side with animal characters). When those qualities are taken from him - when he's brought closer to the human realm - so wanes my interest.
So, yeah... humanoid Yoshi pics, etc.: I can respect the talent and technique applied to make them, but I don't care for them; it's just not Yoshi.
Go Moon!
Post by: Hope(N Forever) on January 28, 2004, 02:48:33 PM
In fact, I know one guy, he's really a great artist, okay? I won't tell you either his name or provide a link or the name to his site...
Some of his exotic and pornographic pics are DEEP HEAT among the seven Koopalings, especially Ludwing!!
I tell ya, this guy knows how to put Ludwing in pretty **** pain and love with a certain original female character, a somewhat Yoshi/Koopa hybrid...
Okay, okay...
I know you're getting all drooly and horny and stuff, the guys here especially...
But you must understand...
WE GOT KIDS IN THESE STUPID FORUMS, AND I'M NOT GIVING OUT ANY LINKS!!
Thank you... ^_^;
I am a pure Super Mario lover!!
...and in no point in the future will he ever be abandonded by me!
I will even drawn the best Super Mario comics ever to exist!!
Post by: WanWan on January 28, 2004, 06:21:45 PM
I still don't see how any of this constitutes "abuse," or what you think should be done about it, if anything. *shrugs*
Edited because even mild British slang can't get around these obscenity filters. Oh, you guys are good. ;)
Edited by - WanWan on 1/28/2004 4:28:01 PM
Post by: Insane Steve on January 28, 2004, 07:02:02 PM
My respect for your posts has just been quartered. This is the THIRD separate instance of "All men are drooling, sex-crazed pigs" I've had to put up with in the last 2 days, and if I hear about this stereotype anymore I'm giong to blow up at someone, maybe even hurt myself in desparation. Nice to see my personality is determined before you even meet me!
Ahem. As such, if your friend wants to draw these images of the Kooplings in this way, that's his choice, ok? Such things are not my bag of crap (Hmmmmm, maybe that wasn't the right idiom...) and I do not look for them. I prefer, like Fifth, the more traditional pictures of the imaginary Mario characters.
Likewise with the more humanistic Yoshi pictures. I've seen a few of them (Not the pornographic ones, don't even insinuate such a thing or you will be verbally lambasted. I am a person, not a stereotype) and the talent behind them is ASTONISHING, although they aren't as interesting to me as, say, the same talent applied to a traditional Yoshi picture. Although I prefer the phyiscal traits to remain the same... I like variations applied to the emotional and personality traits to the Mario characters... I like viewing them in a non-traditional light. For example, I'd be highly interested in a picture of a spiteful orange Yoshi, wishing and plotting revenge on its overrated green counterpart. Those things. Emotional changes.
That is all, until the next time I am stereotyped unjustly.
EDIT: WanWan, you can bypass the filter, although in this instance there is no reason to do so.
~I.S.~
Edited by - Insane Steve on 1/28/2004 5:05:01 PM
Post by: Hope(N Forever) on January 29, 2004, 03:23:27 PM
You really seemed serious on getting a bit more wealthy.
I am a pure Super Mario lover!!
...and in no point in the future will he ever be abandonded by me!
I will even drawn the best Super Mario comics ever to exist!!
Post by: Insane Steve on January 29, 2004, 10:35:20 PM
The following transcript is an accurate yet not exact by any means conversation that led to me winning the five dollars. The names of the other people in the conversation have been changed to protect the innocent; I.E., me.
Friend 1: Yes. Can you imagine what the Mario world would be like if it were more.. real?
Friend 2: Yea... I can see it. I mean, there'd be murdering and corruption, and of course, porn.
Friend 1: Heh, yea. Can you imagine Yoshi in pornographic images?
Friend 2: *laughs*
Friend 3: [#1], you are the only one here sick enough to think of such a thing.
Me: Nonsense. I'm sure that if you looked hard enough, you'd find plenty of pornographic pictures of Yoshi on the internet. (DISCLAIMER: I didn't not know if this statement was true, I merely was in my usual, sardonic mood that day. That, and I work under the assumption that you can find ANYTHING on the Internet)
#3: Are you kidding? Firstly, ... [insert speech about why Yoshi can't be in pornographic images here], so it doesn't exist.
Me: It probably does. Not like I know about these things, of course...
[1 2 and 3 laugh]
#2: This sounds like a wager to me.
#3: Fine then, [Steve], if you can find me proof that Yoshi porn exists, I'll give you five dollars.
At this point, I sensed a trap. If I actually FOUND these pictures, these three people would know that I actually looked for this material, so...
And then I found this thread. All I did was print it with a link to the thread written on it and I got the 5 dollars. #3 didn't actually need to (or want to) see any actual pics.
I was a psychic that day -- later, I was discussing crazy Spanish music videos in Spanish class, and I discussed a paticular video to someone, and lo and behold! That was the next video played after I described it. Freaky. Although that didn't win me 5 dollars.
~I.S.~
Post by: jon on January 29, 2004, 11:43:25 PM
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Mario likes to dance in his backwards pants! Yay!
Post by: Toddathon on February 10, 2004, 02:15:56 PM
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Three, four, better lock your door.
Five, six, grab your crusifix.
Seven, eight, better stay up late.
Nine, ten... never sleep again..." - A Nightmare on Elm Street
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Post by: Mr. Wiggles on February 10, 2004, 08:38:35 PM
Insane steve, Your're really starting to **** me off!(why is the word [censored] censored on this board?).I read y
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Post by: Insane Steve on February 10, 2004, 09:49:08 PM
*sigh* Why did this paticular thread have to be ruined in this way? I mean, there is an actual discussion with a valid point here, and the last two posts were about Freddy and someone who hates me for absolutely no reason. [implied request].
Bah.
~I.S.~
Post by: Toddathon on February 11, 2004, 01:05:31 PM
Post by: Hope(N Forever) on February 12, 2004, 07:17:16 AM
Say you read a fan fic about Yoshis, the characters in it are physically and mentally similar to that of Nintendo's originals...
Except this story had intense violence and blood among those Yoshis...
Don't you think that's abuse!?
I am a pure Super Mario lover!!
...and in no point in the future will he ever be abandonded by me!
I will even drawn the best Super Mario comics ever to exist!!
Post by: Toddathon on February 12, 2004, 01:50:49 PM
Post by: Roy Koopa on February 12, 2004, 03:53:49 PM
Now, as to the concept of aplying adult or mature things to the Mario world--and I use those terms loosely, since violence and whatnaught really aren't mature or okay for adults:
I think when you venture too far from the intended tone of Mario, you lose the whole point. Example: I came across a flash animation (one of many, I was lead to believe) of Baby Mario being killed in many different and gruesome ways. Likewise, flash animations that have Yoshi's biting heads off and spitting out bloody skulls. I also saw a fan made Mario live-action movie that I thought had potential, but included things like guns and blood and one-night-stands in it. This always urks me. I think it seriously taints the "universe" and the theme that Mario stands for: Fun for all ages. Do things really have to totally undergo a complete overhall of style when you grow up? Does everything need to be about drugs and violence? Why can't you still enjoy the things of your youth the way they were?
Anywho, that's my two cents. I don't mean to stomp on anyone's toes, but that's my opinion of the issue at hand.
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Post by: Sapphira on February 12, 2004, 04:01:04 PM
Post by: Shin Ruymaou Jr. on February 12, 2004, 04:01:25 PM
But thank god nobody did this to Flying Dragon! It sometimes pays to be a fan of a forgotten series.:)
Post by: Insane Steve on February 12, 2004, 06:20:34 PM
Except this story had intense violence and blood among those Yoshis...
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Doesn't this contradict itself? I mean, if they are killing each other brutally like this, they honestly cannot have the same mentality as Nintendo initially gave them. And no, it isn't abuse at all. In fact, that sounds like something I'd write, actually...
And Todd, the question is not whether Yoshi is gay or not. There's a whole other thread somewhere with this discussion.
~I.S.~
Edited by - Insane Steve on 2/12/2004 4:21:22 PM
Post by: The Big Boo on February 12, 2004, 06:34:05 PM
Post by: Popple on February 12, 2004, 06:40:22 PM
I would also like to add that I really have no opinion and often just post what whoever is in the room says when asked of their opinion on the subject. Their opinions have absolutely no reflect on myself. I absolutely do not know or care what I think about these things.
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Post by: Lt Mou on February 12, 2004, 06:49:37 PM
"Anytime I see something screech across the room and latch onto someone''s neck, and the guy starts screaming and tries to get it off, I have to laugh because, what is that thing?!"- Jack Handey
Post by: Insane Steve on February 12, 2004, 07:18:56 PM
And that is why I prefer the more deviant-from-the-norm art styles -- the conflict between the implied style and the expressed style interests me. Although I doubt I'd consider a violent picture "insanely funny".
And most house pets wear nothing but collars. Think about it. Anything can be -insert adjective here- if you look hard enough.
~I.S.~
Post by: Roy Koopa on February 13, 2004, 08:23:42 PM
The thing with those is at least they were made to *be* that way and express that paradox (well, Conker was in a couple games previous, but never really established in either). But you take an iconic thing like Mario, where the All Ages mentality has been established for 20 plus years and do a 180, that only adds confusion or can really broadcast the wrong message to the wrong age group.
And really, to me, it takes away all the fun. I would much rather watch a flash animation that stayed true to character.
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Post by: Toddathon on February 17, 2004, 02:41:54 PM
But...if you need to put fictional characters into porn, then you reallly need a doctor.
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Post by: Sapphira on February 17, 2004, 06:16:06 PM
Post by: Lizard Dude on February 17, 2004, 06:48:20 PM
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Post by: Wheel_kirby on February 17, 2004, 09:59:18 PM
I think we should let artists do whatever they want when they draw characters. If you dont want to see yoshi porn, then dont search for it! If you want to see yoshi art, then search using carefully chosen words that wont lead to anything profanic! I am always looking for some kind of Mario related art, and I never have came across anything profanic. (except one time I google Image searched the word Yoshi and one of the pics was of a guy taking a ****. EW!) So it shouldnt be a problem with searching if you know how. It matters what you like. (No duh! You want what you want right?)
BTW: I do not posses any kind of sick horny male stereotype.
Edit: But that doesnt mean that I am gay either.
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An 1857 pioneer- "Oh you hush! if god made it then it shouldnt hurt me!" *Eats a mushroom* The next day he died of poisoning...
Edited by - Wheel_kirby on 2/17/2004 8:03:02 PM
Post by: Insane Steve on February 17, 2004, 10:14:44 PM
Todd, what happened to you? I say this not insultingly, but seriously -- I think something happened in your life that changed you, not quite sure what. I mean, your posts have become rather... insulting? as of recent.
And as this is being said, why are some members making cheap insults at him for this? (I'm looking at wheel_kirby here) I mean, it isn't helping that you hurl a cheap, unfounded insult at him. Although, I do agree with a lot of your other points:
And no matter WHAT you search for on an image search, you WILL find something disgusting. Always. No exceptions.
This thread is a prefect example of the thread deterioration that has ravaged the boards as of late. It starts as a great discussion thread, then members make out of line comments and bam! Instant flame war. I am sick of it.
Just my .02 pesos. (That is, old pesos. The ones that aren't worth anything anymore. Yes, there is symbolism here.)
~I.S.~
Post by: Wheel_kirby on February 19, 2004, 01:43:33 PM
I guess its time to let this topic go and die because we are getting no where.
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Post by: Toddathon on February 20, 2004, 03:03:35 PM
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