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Title: Old Koopas VS. New Koopas
Post by: kamikaze koopa on July 25, 2004, 07:55:14 PM

Let's be honest, we all remember the old koopa troopas.  You know, back when they walked on all fours.  Then all of a sudden in Super Mario World they were bipedal and wore boots and everything.  So here's the question.

Do you think Bowser altered the original koopas by means of magic in order to make them more effective troops? (If so then he didn't do a very good job).  Now everyone who's played Mario&Luigi has seen that the troopeas are still quadrapedal, while the koopa troop walk upright.  So that's a little bit of proof that Bowser's troops have been altered in some way.

Anyway, I'm very interested in what other members of the board have to say about the subject.  And please refrain from saying stuff like "Well, Nintendo decided to go in a different direction."  Let's try and get some in universe theories as to why and how they look the way they do.

P.S. I know that alot of people are going to say "Well, Nintendo decided to go in a different direction", simply because I asked them not too.  So don't think I didn't see it coming.  ;-)

Edited by - kamikaze koopa on 7/25/2004 6:58:47 PM

Title: Re: Old Koopas VS. New Koopas
Post by: Vidgmchtr on July 25, 2004, 08:18:15 PM

I like it when they're two legged creatures.

Title: Re: Old Koopas VS. New Koopas
Post by: TEM on July 25, 2004, 08:19:30 PM

I believe they were called "Creepers", when on all fours.

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Title: Re: Old Koopas VS. New Koopas
Post by: kamikaze koopa on July 25, 2004, 08:23:32 PM

I'm not saying it's a bad thing that they're bipedal now, I'm just trying to figure out why the change occured.

And I think they were only called creepers in the original Mario Bros. game.

Title: Re: Old Koopas VS. New Koopas
Post by: Chupperson Weird on July 25, 2004, 09:37:06 PM

They were bipedal in Yoshi's Island, thus voiding any possible theories.

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Title: Re: Old Koopas VS. New Koopas
Post by: kamikaze koopa on July 25, 2004, 09:52:54 PM

True.  But then that begs the question, why were they quadrapeds in Super Mario Bros. 1 through 3?

Title: Re: Old Koopas VS. New Koopas
Post by: Screech on July 26, 2004, 12:04:27 AM

I'd say that it's just the artists fixing up old enemies for the Super Nintendo. The bipedal koopa troopas stuck, and the round goombas didn't.

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Title: Re: Old Koopas VS. New Koopas
Post by: kamikaze koopa on July 26, 2004, 05:00:20 AM

Even though you see round goomba cameos everywhere these days.  ;-)

Title: Re: Old Koopas VS. New Koopas
Post by: Screech on July 26, 2004, 12:35:33 PM

Where?

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Title: Re: Old Koopas VS. New Koopas
Post by: MarlieMoo on July 26, 2004, 01:25:32 PM

Hmm, this is interesting. I never really gave it any thought. I think either Bowser used some kind of magic, or one day the koopas just became bipedal.

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Title: Re: Old Koopas VS. New Koopas
Post by: kamikaze koopa on July 26, 2004, 03:03:11 PM

You see round goombas in various little cameos every now and then.

There's a cameo of one in the nintendo puzzle collection.  And there was one in one of the GBA SP commercials.  The really interesting thing is that when you see them, their right next to a normal mushroom goomba.  So it's obvious that people acknowledge the existence of both simultaniously.  My thoughts on that are that the mushroom goombas evolved from, well, mushrooms.  Where as the round goombas, since they were seen on the Dinosaur Islands, evolved to look like the berries that the Yoshis eat.  They do have a very similar shape after all.

Anyway, back on topic.  Yeah I've always thought that maybe Bowser might have used magic to enhance them in some way.  Another theory is that the bipedal Koopas are also native to the Dinosaur Islands, since they were first seen there both in universe and out of universe.

Title: Re: Old Koopas VS. New Koopas
Post by: Red Paratroopa on July 26, 2004, 03:14:14 PM

Being a Paratroopa myself, I remember exactly how it went down. During SMB, SMB3, and any other game featuring the Troopas on all fours, there was a reward going around for anyone who could find Bowser's lost contact lens. Hence, the reason Mario was able to beat him was that he lacked depth perception. Eventually, he got another pair, so we stopped looking.

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Title: Re: Old Koopas VS. New Koopas
Post by: Markio on July 26, 2004, 03:23:35 PM

Koopas probably used to walk on all fours, but to be a better army, Bowser probably made them learn to walk erect.

Then again, in SMW, they walk erect, but when you knock them out of their shell, they walk on all fours.  Maybe there is a spell on the shells...

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Title: Re: Old Koopas VS. New Koopas
Post by: kamikaze koopa on July 26, 2004, 11:49:31 PM

That's true, except for the blue koopa troopas.  When you pop them out of their shell, they just walk really hunched over.  

Title: Re: Old Koopas VS. New Koopas
Post by: Popple on July 27, 2004, 12:25:06 AM

The one difference between the two is the shoes. The quadpedal koopas live in the ghettos. They can't afford shoes with all of the child support and credit problems. The streets are covered with broken glass and garbage. Walking on two bare feet there would be crazy, they'd cut up their feet and have to walk on their forefeet/arms alone. On all fours, they can go twice as far.

The rich koopas all buy fancy shmancy double padded brand name pumps. They can walk on their hind legs because of this. No feet full of glass for those rich snobs.

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Title: Re: Old Koopas VS. New Koopas
Post by: Vidgmchtr on July 27, 2004, 01:51:42 AM

Well, evolution might occur much quicker and more differently in The Mushroom Kingdom...

For Example: Koopas might have originally been bipedal. Maybe they couldn't find any food while walking erect (Why you see them standing up straight in SMW2), and started crawling on all fours, looking for some insects in the ground and other things to eat. Thus, each new generation of Koopas started having shorter legs and walked on all fours. By the time Mario was an Adult (SMB), the koopas were quadrapedal. Then, they couldn't find anymore things in the ground, so they started to try and stand up and walk erect again to find food on trees, etc. (SMB3)
So then each new generation of Koopas could have longer legs, better for standing up (SMW).

Of course, I could be wrong.

Title: Re: Old Koopas VS. New Koopas
Post by: ShadowOrthrus0315 on August 04, 2004, 08:13:40 AM

I like the newer koopas better. But were do they get boots??

Title: Re: Old Koopas VS. New Koopas
Post by: kamikaze koopa on August 04, 2004, 01:42:47 PM

Another good question.  I always figured they just made them themselves.  Either that or they evolved naturally.  One theory that a friend of mine suggested was that they might be some sort of fungus or moss that grows on thier feet and provides them protection.

The same thing could be said for the Yoshis as well.

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Title: Re: Old Koopas VS. New Koopas
Post by: TEM on August 04, 2004, 02:58:31 PM

Or maybe that's just how the artists designed them?

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Title: Re: Old Koopas VS. New Koopas
Post by: kamikaze koopa on August 04, 2004, 04:05:31 PM

Or that.  ^_^

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Title: Re: Old Koopas VS. New Koopas
Post by: Lizard Dude on August 04, 2004, 09:43:23 PM

Red Paratroopa's post is the best post I've seen since oh before you were born.

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Title: Re: Old Koopas VS. New Koopas
Post by: Raccoon Sam on August 05, 2004, 03:03:45 AM

But how can yoshi be born with boots?
anyway,how can paratroopas loose their wings when you bounce on them? My answer to this thread is: they walk with four legs,but when they evolved,they learned to walk with two legs,but they still could change to "four-legs" style.

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Title: Re: Old Koopas VS. New Koopas
Post by: kamikaze koopa on August 05, 2004, 07:14:00 AM

Well, the whole idea with that is that they aren't really "boots", so much as a form of calcified "hooves".  I know it's a stretch, but it's an idea.

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Title: Re: Old Koopas VS. New Koopas
Post by: Markio on August 05, 2004, 09:57:40 AM

Here's my theory:

No one is born with boots.  They put them on.  Koopa Troopas are like humans, as in they can walk on two legs and crawl on all fours.  They used to crawl because the levels in SMB had areas with low ceilings in which they had to crawl underneath, like in 1-2.  As shown in SSBM, When you stomp on a koopa, his wings fall off and he falls.  It's like Mario shrinking when he hits an enemy.  A koopa loses his wings, and then his shell, or sometimes just his shell, if he isn't a paratroopa.  Yoshi isn't born with boots, but he is born with the saddle-like thing on his back, as it isn't tied onto him and would fall off if it was just a saddle.  Yoshis have the red spikes, so apparently, the "saddle" looks like a flatter, wider spike.  And no one is born with boots.

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Title: Re: Old Koopas VS. New Koopas
Post by: kamikaze koopa on August 05, 2004, 01:21:10 PM

Well actually, the Yoshi's ARE born with boots on.  If you look at the newborn baby Yoshis in Super Mario World, as well as in various other games, you can see that they pop right out of the egg with the boots already on.

As for the saddle, I always figured it was actually a shell.  Or the remnants/beginnings of one, evolutionary wise.

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Title: Re: Old Koopas VS. New Koopas
Post by: Raccoon Sam on August 06, 2004, 11:41:41 AM

but how can in SMW2 yoshi's island there be koopas that walk with two legs?
Because...
SMW2: mario is a BABY and koopas walk with TWO legs.
SMB: Mario is ADULT and koopas walk with FOUR legs.

...
maybe they want to crawl...

Title: Re: Old Koopas VS. New Koopas
Post by: Lizard Dude on August 06, 2004, 11:50:37 AM

SMW2 was before Bowswer needed contacts.

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Title: Re: Old Koopas VS. New Koopas
Post by: kamikaze koopa on August 06, 2004, 04:23:16 PM

Lol, ahhh back to the old contact lens theory.

Seriously though, my theory on the koopas is that the bipedal koopas are native to the Dinosaur Islands (mainly Yoshi's Island).  Where as the quadrapedal koopas are native to the Mushroom Kingdom.  Did I already propose this idea?  If so, please forgive me.

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Title: Re: Old Koopas VS. New Koopas
Post by: lazermario on September 01, 2004, 06:43:36 PM

I go with the regional theory more than all others.

In addition, the bit about why the paratroopas lose their wings? Their wings are shedable, not part of their bodies. I know we shouldn't take everything (or most anything) from the cartoon series, but I will point out a quote by a Troopa in a SMSS episode:

Troopa: "Why didn't I JOIN the paratroopas? They get parachutes."

This indicates that the wings are part of the whole paratroopa battle suit, so when Mario jumps on them, they self-disintegrate from the impact.

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Title: Re: Old Koopas VS. New Koopas
Post by: Red Paratroopa on September 01, 2004, 07:20:15 PM

It's simple Koopa Anatomy 101.
"When a Paratroopa's shell (Fig. 1) is subjected to great force, the wings involuntarily retract inside (Fig. 2). It takes 2 days for full recovery of the wings."

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Title: Re: Old Koopas VS. New Koopas
Post by: Popple on September 02, 2004, 12:34:28 AM

"see round goombas in various little cameos every now and then.

There's a cameo of one in the nintendo puzzle collection. And there was one in one of the GBA SP commercials. The really interesting thing is that when you see them, their right next to a normal mushroom goomba."

I believe that the round one was actually a micro-goomba. Round goombas are about the same size as mushroom-headed goombas, but this one was quite a bit smaller, and shaped like a micro-goomba.

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