Post by: kamikaze koopa on August 26, 2004, 04:50:01 PM
Personally, I tend to lean towards the latter opinion of not recognizing the spin-off games as being canon.
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Pessimists are technically happier people. They think things will suck...and if things do suck they just say ''Oh, I guess I was right''. Then if things don''t suck they get a sudden surprise...unexpected joy. So the worst thing that can happen is you''re proven right. An optimist can be let down but a pessimist can''t
Post by: Screech on August 26, 2004, 05:30:45 PM
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Post by: kamikaze koopa on August 26, 2004, 05:36:37 PM
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Pessimists are technically happier people. They think things will suck...and if things do suck they just say ''Oh, I guess I was right''. Then if things don''t suck they get a sudden surprise...unexpected joy. So the worst thing that can happen is you''re proven right. An optimist can be let down but a pessimist can''t
Post by: Chupperson Weird on August 26, 2004, 06:36:36 PM
Post by: Luigison on August 26, 2004, 07:06:23 PM
Paper Mario 2 is supposed to have a rather deep story for a Mario game. Nintendo thinks that it's longer story will appeal more to older/mature gamers. The Japanese original is all serious from what I understand, but the NOA Localization time is putting in a lot of funny dialog. I hope it comes off funny, but think that the way Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga was programmed and written to be funny is a better model.
*turns back slightly to the right
I don't consider SMB2 to be canon. It was originally another games that was made into a Mario game/dream. I consider the following canon.
- Super Mario Bros.
- Super Mario Bros. 3
- Super Mario World
- Super Mario RPG (not sure about this one)
- Super Mario 64
- Super Mario Sunshine
- Super Mario 128 (???)
Notice that the above all have "Super Mario" in the title. Maybe that part of the title makes them canon. I would venture to guess that most people will also consider Super Mario 128 canon.
The following could also be considered canon.
- Paper Mario
- Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga
- Paper Mario 2
Maybe a good way to divide the games is to consider if the Princess was kidnaped by Bowser in them. Or, if they were both made and published by Nintendo.
I do not consider the following to be canon.
- Mario is Missing
- Mario Teaches Typing 1 & 2
- Mario Paint (I love that "game".)
- Mario Kart
- Super Mario Land (or anygame to affiliated with Shiggy)
- too many more to mention
Thanks for one of the best questions posted on the Fungi Forums lately.
*turns 180 degrees and runs off
Post by: kamikaze koopa on August 26, 2004, 08:11:34 PM
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Pessimists are technically happier people. They think things will suck...and if things do suck they just say ''Oh, I guess I was right''. Then if things don''t suck they get a sudden surprise...unexpected joy. So the worst thing that can happen is you''re proven right. An optimist can be let down but a pessimist can''t
Post by: kamikaze koopa on August 26, 2004, 08:27:49 PM
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Pessimists are technically happier people. They think things will suck...and if things do suck they just say ''Oh, I guess I was right''. Then if things don''t suck they get a sudden surprise...unexpected joy. So the worst thing that can happen is you''re proven right. An optimist can be let down but a pessimist can''t
Post by: MEGAߥTE on August 26, 2004, 09:04:34 PM
Post by: TEM on August 26, 2004, 09:11:53 PM
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Post by: kamikaze koopa on August 27, 2004, 10:04:51 AM
But I'm not so sure about Yoshi's Island rewriting the whole history. Actually, if anything it seems to me that it acts like a bridge to fill in a bunch of the gaps formed by the comics and the games. I guess I should probably explain.
So, the way I see it, Mario and Luigi were both born in the Mushroom Kingdom where they lived with thier actual parents until they were little kids. Maybe around four or five (It was during this time that Mario met and "befriended" Wario). Then after a short while, thier parents, as well as the Mushroom Royalty, saw that if the children stayed there then they would be in certain danger if Baby Bowser decided to strike back. So they sent them to earth as a safety precaution until they reached the time when they were prophecised to return.
*Whew* Sorry to ramble on like that. But anyway, I do see your point on not excepting it as canon. Different strokes, I guess. ^_^
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Pessimists are technically happier people. They think things will suck...and if things do suck they just say ''Oh, I guess I was right''. Then if things don''t suck they get a sudden surprise...unexpected joy. So the worst thing that can happen is you''re proven right. An optimist can be let down but a pessimist can''t
Post by: MEGAߥTE on August 27, 2004, 11:01:13 AM
Post by: kamikaze koopa on August 27, 2004, 11:15:50 AM
But I'm getting waaaay off track. My point was that since SMW2 came after the comics, and since it's an actual game as opposed a short little comic strip, then it should override the comics. Kind of like how the Mario Advance series overrides the older games. Or at least that's the impression that I've gotten from most of the fans.
Anyway, if I've missed something or just misunderstood, please except my apologise.
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Pessimists are technically happier people. They think things will suck...and if things do suck they just say ''Oh, I guess I was right''. Then if things don''t suck they get a sudden surprise...unexpected joy. So the worst thing that can happen is you''re proven right. An optimist can be let down but a pessimist can''t
Post by: Red Paratroopa on August 27, 2004, 02:10:53 PM
"I''m a stupid fatty who swings his arms from side to side and pushes a button to receive bacon. The universe is permeated with the odor of Shawne Vinson. Does that make me a nut?"- DotheLizardkoopaChupVinsonluigi
Post by: Lizard Dude on August 27, 2004, 06:28:57 PM
“I’m a stupid fatty and I love to play with my Easy Bake oven.â€
Post by: Chupperson Weird on August 27, 2004, 07:45:18 PM
I mean seriously, you trust some cartoon company more than Nintendo themselves? Pah.
Post by: kamikaze koopa on August 27, 2004, 08:09:08 PM
I know this is a little off topic, but there have been alot more theories pointing towards the corpse outside of Kraid's lair being a Federation Trooper. (Those are the guys that are being introduced in Prime 2)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/xmetaridley/smetroid.png
http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/540/540282/metroid-prime-2-echoes-20040819101209531.jpg
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Pessimists are technically happier people. They think things will suck...and if things do suck they just say ''Oh, I guess I was right''. Then if things don''t suck they get a sudden surprise...unexpected joy. So the worst thing that can happen is you''re proven right. An optimist can be let down but a pessimist can''t
Post by: MEGAߥTE on August 27, 2004, 08:51:18 PM
Then don't bother trying to make the storylines work. It's a waste of time.
> And as for the comics, I suppose you have a point, and once again I'm going to make an assumption that you're mostly refering to the small strips that used to appear in Nintendo Power.
No, I'm referring to the ones published by Valiant.
> Kind of like how the Mario Advance series overrides the older games.
Oh, revisionist history? Wonderful. This in itself proves the next point.
> I mean seriously, you trust some cartoon company more than Nintendo themselves? Pah.
Well, I don't trust Nintendo either. There is no canon. We've been over this before regarding Donkey Kong. There are certain themes that stay relatively consistent among the games, but there isn't a consistent story line. At all. We already know what Miyamoto said about this.
Post by: Luigison on August 27, 2004, 09:56:00 PM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on August 28, 2004, 07:38:23 PM
Edited by - Chupperson Weird on 8/28/2004 6:40:11 PM
Post by: Luigison on August 28, 2004, 11:24:33 PM
"Those comics weren't written by the people who made the games, but the games were."
Sorry.
Post by: lazermario on September 01, 2004, 03:32:13 PM
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Post by: Tingrio on September 02, 2004, 04:59:13 PM
Post by: Chupperson Weird on September 02, 2004, 07:33:06 PM
Post by: kamikaze koopa on September 06, 2004, 08:03:38 PM
In Mario Kary: Double Dash!! you can see that in the Yoshi ciruit (I forget the name) there is a Yoshi copter from SMW2 circling around overhead. (And once again, this is a question of individual opinion). Does anybody consider those transformations to be "true" or "accurate"? I didn't before, but know the idea is kind of starting to grow on me. What do you guys think?
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Edited by - kamikaze koopa on 9/6/2004 7:04:18 PM
Post by: AntiSonic on September 06, 2004, 09:12:11 PM
Shyguys are everywhere in both games.
Could the nightmare of Birdo, an egg-spitting dinosaur, have been inspired by memories of Yoshi, an egg-chucking dinosaur?
Just a couple of examples, though I remember having a much clearer theory in my youth.
Post by: Markio on September 06, 2004, 09:47:54 PM
Everything is as smooth as sandpaper pajamas.
Post by: Chupperson Weird on September 06, 2004, 10:18:25 PM
Post by: kamikaze koopa on September 07, 2004, 08:10:15 AM
And I actually had the same idea that AntiSonic had. If Subcon really is the world of dreams then those dreams would be effected by reality in terms of a persons psyche. So it would only make sense that some of those distant childhood memories from SMW2 could resurface in Mario's dreams. And the theory that Birdo is a distortion of Yoshi would be a pretty good theory, except that Birdo is a completely different character in the "real world". She's already been in Super Mario RPG as well as Mario&Luigi: Superstar Saga. Unless she was created in subcon, and then somehow escaped? That would be an interesting plot twist. ;-)
Anyway, I've always kinda wondered if SMW2 and Yoshi's Story should be taken seriously. I mean they were "storybooks", so it's safe to assume that they distorted reality a bit. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that they're not canon. I'm just saying that because of their storybook nature that they may have exaggerated some aspects. Forgive me if I sound like a hypocrite.
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"In Paris they simply stared when I spoke to them in French; I never did succeed in making those idiots understand their language." - Mark Twain
Post by: Chupperson Weird on September 07, 2004, 07:52:06 PM
Post by: luigi2024 on October 05, 2004, 06:55:01 PM
In short, if Mario needed a consistent timeline, he'd be gone long ago. Which would be hailed as the beginning of the end of the universe *insert spooky music here*.
Too many numbers...
Post by: Chupperson Weird on October 05, 2004, 09:32:27 PM