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Luigison

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« on: November 19, 2011, 08:31:37 PM »
http://cnn.com/video/?/video/bestoftv/2011/11/19/nr-occupy-davis-pepper-spray.cnn

That's the largest bottle and longest stream of pepper spray I've ever seen.  The officers in full riot gear were in fear?  Didn't look that way to me. 

Edit:
Longer video:  http://punditspew.com/post/13017402101/uc-davis-students-pepper-sprayed-at-point-blank-range

From this I can see that the officers were in fear AFTER they pepper sprayed the kids sitting on the sidewalk and the crowd started chanting "Shame on you," and "You can go!"  From the longer video I can also see that there were a lot of people with cameras.  What did the officers expect to happen? 

Edit 2:
Here's a different view:  http://mashable.com/2011/11/19/occupy-wall-street-pepper-spray/
I can see now how the officers were surrounded by students sitting in a big circle, but I can also see how easily the officer that pepper sprayed the students stepped over them. 

Edit 3:
I more detailed account with pictures and videos:  http://boingboing.net/2011/11/20/ucdeyetwitness.html
Note how the students were smiling and laughing before being pepper sprayed.  It seems to me they were not a danger to the officers. 

Edit: 4
"When students covered their eyes with their clothing, police forced open their mouths and pepper-sprayed down their throats."
Source: http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/20/us/california-occupy-pepperspray/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
« Last Edit: November 20, 2011, 06:28:23 PM by Luigison »
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Luigison

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« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2011, 07:18:12 PM »
I've done a little research on pepper spray and found the following:

Occupational Health Services, Inc. reported that because OC caused the subject’s breathing passages to swell and constrict, the use of OC on persons with pre-existing respiratory conditions such as asthma could, in rare instances, cause death.

According to IACP pepper spray expert John Granfield:  Most of the information on OC has come from officers who used it during training and on subject. This information has been basically anecdotal. A number of manufacturers, in order to protect themselves from liability, did contract with private labs to do tests.  However, no government or consumer agencies have done any tests.

Scientific American said, the potentially lethal effects of pepper spray have been widely documented. For instance, in the 1990s, the Justice Department listed nearly 70 deaths it said were linked to the use of pepper-spray.

The ACLU pressed California's Supreme Court to classify pepper-spray as dangerous and cruel, likening it to "a kind of chemical cattle prod on nonviolent demonstrators resisting arrest." The organization further claimed that its use "constitutes excessive force and violates the Constitution."

Three deaths have occurred in California in which the use of such products by highly trained law enforcement personnel was involved, and one recent legal use in North Carolina resulted in the death of an apparent asthmatic.  OEHHA is concerned that in each incident that untoward reactions to OC may have been a contributing cause of death or exacerbated underlying conditions such as asthma or drug use to cause cardiac or respiratory failure.
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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2011, 08:09:02 PM »
http://thinkprogress.org/special/2011/11/22/374237/fox-news-host-dismisses-pepper-spray-attack-by-cops-its-essentially-a-food-product-right/

Everyone can relax.  It's a condiment.

Edit: And in non-sarcastic, dumbfounded part of this conversation, This was interesting.

Edit 2: I see that Luigison actually has a line from the second link in his second post.  But there is more there.  Sorry, didn't put the post and the article together in my mind.

Edit 3: I am a little disappointed that I could not read the sources for the Scientific American articles because I have to pay for the full articles.
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Luigison

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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2011, 02:26:48 PM »
Edit 2: I see that Luigison actually has a line from the second link in his second post.  But there is more there.  Sorry, didn't put the post and the article together in my mind.
I should have quoted and sourced.  Sorry.

My original intend was to expose what happened at U.C. Davis, but this is much bigger than a single university.  E.G. http://www.adbusters.org/blogs/adbusters-blog/suppressing-nonviolent-dissent.html
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« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2011, 11:58:17 PM »

Luigison

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« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2011, 04:39:22 PM »
« Last Edit: November 29, 2011, 08:43:34 PM by Luigison »
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