Abortion

[Glorb]

So you are indeed saying that you're, well, holier than thou.

[Chupperson Weird]

That was amazing!

[Forest Guy]

I am. I was asserting TurtleKid to stay out of with me, because with all liklihood I am holier than thou. Or thy. However it would be used.

[Chupperson Weird]

Thy is "yours".
Also, you totally fail at life because you're not supposed to think that doing stuff that you think makes you a better person gives you the right to act like that's what you think.

[MEGAߥTE]

OH MY GOD HAVE YOU NOT PAID ANY ATTENTION AT ALL?!

Nomination for ironic POTY.

[Glorb]

Thy is "yours".
Also, you totally fail at life because you're not supposed to think that doing stuff that you think makes you a better person gives you the right to act like that's what you think.

First person to construct a flow chart of this gets +15 props.

[Forest Guy]

Chup, I'm not stupid. I know what meekness is. I don't walk down the street promoting the fact I volunteer at my Church. However, this guy was questioning my religious integrity simply because I was discussing the notion that fetuses aren't human beings. You should remember that religion starts huge flame wars because many people take great offense when theirs is called into question.

[Turtlekid1]

I would love to know what fetuses are, if not human beings.

Let's say that she can't face her parents because they're scary "wait until marriage" types and she kills herself instead of confronting them about the kid. Oops. But hey, at least the unborn child is ok, right? ... wait, never mind.

If she was raped it's not like she had the choice to wait or not...

That isn't very Christian at all. A girl gets raped so you tell her "Yeah, that's what you get for going into an alley. Never mind the fact that you're 90 pounds and couldn't fight off a 275 pound male." Seriously man.

You're right, I'm sorry.  That statement was out of order.

[Markio]

I'm pro-life, but also pro-abstinence.  If you don't want a child, then keep it in your pants.  And if you're raped, hurry to a hospital and get the invasive ...cells flushed out.  If it's too late, I guess I'd hope the person could give birth and then put it up for adoption.  Being raped isn't fair.

[Eclipsed Moon]

I would love to know what fetuses are, if not human beings.

I would love to know what corpses are, if not human beings.

[CrossEyed7]

Corpses are still human beings, just dead. We can't support corpses' right to life because they're already dead (although we do generally frown on using corpses in needlessly disrespectful ways). Fetuses aren't dead. If they were, we wouldn't be able to kill them. And they wouldn't grow up into what we can all agree are living humans.

   1. Homeostasis: Regulation of the internal environment to maintain a constant state; for example, sweating to reduce temperature.
   2. Organization: Being composed of one or more cells, which are the basic units of life.
   3. Metabolism: Consumption of energy by converting nonliving material into cellular components (anabolism) and decomposing organic matter (catabolism). Living things require energy to maintain internal organization (homeostasis) and to produce the other phenomena associated with life.
   4. Growth: Maintenance of a higher rate of synthesis than catalysis. A growing organism increases in size in all of its parts, rather than simply accumulating matter. The particular species begins to multiply and expand as the evolution continues to flourish.
   5. Adaptation: The ability to change over a period of time in response to the environment. This ability is fundamental to the process of evolution and is determined by the organism's heredity as well as the composition of metabolized substances, and external factors present.
   6. Response to stimuli: A response can take many forms, from the contraction of a unicellular organism when touched to complex reactions involving all the senses of higher animals. A response is often expressed by motion, for example, the leaves of a plant turning toward the sun or an animal chasing its prey.
   7. Reproduction: The ability to produce new organisms. Reproduction can be the division of one cell to form two new cells. Usually the term is applied to the production of a new individual (either asexually, from a single parent organism, or sexually, from at least two differing parent organisms), although strictly speaking it also describes the production of new cells in the process of growth.

Forest Guy, remember that the point of Christianity is that none of us are significantly holier than anyone else. Any goodness we have is only there because Christ put it there, not from anything we've done.

We have all become like one who is unclean,
   and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment.
 We all fade like a leaf,
   and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.

[Forest Guy]

Ok, see, there's a problem distinguishing between humans and human beings here. A corpse isn't a being. It's dead. A fetus isn't a being. It's still developing.

Seriously, do you call cake batter a cake? No. It's still batter that will eventually be a cake.

[Turtlekid1]

Ok, see, there's a problem distinguishing between humans and human beings here. A corpse isn't a being. It's dead. A fetus isn't a being. It's still developing.

By that definition, any teen going through puberty is still developing.  Does that mean they're not humans, either?

[NintendoExpert89]

If a corpse was truly no longer a human to us, we would have no problem hanging it up on our walls like game or throwing it into a ditch. Except we don't. We respect our dead by providing funerals and/or proper burials. It's the dignity that we can give them. We give a dead person dignity whether they are human or "used to be human," so conversely shouldn't we give the same respect to fetuses since they are human or "will be human," as you argue?

EDIT: Saying "If we give the same respect to a fetus the same we do to our dead, then it's all right to immediately take it, embalm it and bury it" is a cheap way out and is clearly not what I mean.

[Glorb]

So, now we're into corpse rights?

I believe all corpses should be beheaded and burned to prevent any reanimation.