Should Waluigi just die?

[Chupperson Weird]

Warp, while I personally agree that too much grinding is just bothersome, it wouldn't be a game at all if you didn't have to do something. Furthermore, RPGs don't need defense. They're doing fine on their own.
I still don't know how Japan loves Dragon Quest (king of grinding and 0% story) so much though.
Lastly, Kimimaru was playing the easy easy Final Fantasy II SNES and is complaining about this?

[Lizard Dude]

Before Kimimaru gets bashed too much for his JRPG "skills", I'd like to mention that he's the most skilled gamer on the FF in my mind.

[Chupperson Weird]

From what I've seen, as far as action-type games go, mos def.

[Kimimaru]

I'm not saying that the game is too hard, I'm saying that the strength of the enemies in new areas of the game rises too drastically. I like how the Mario RPGs have a more gradual approach to the increase in enemy strength.

[Chupperson Weird]

Whatever you do, don't play Mother.

[Kimimaru]

I've already played and beaten all 3 Mother games.

[WarpRattler]

Too many posts while I'm typing. I'd never survive on 4chan.

Kimimaru does indeed kick ass when it comes to traditional platformers, and I agree with him that more JRPGs need to take a similar approach to the Mario RPGs (that is, steady increase in enemy levels rather than a drastic jump).
JRPGs (Chupperson, stop not specifying as if Japan is the only country that makes games in that genre) are doing fine because the big names that sell the most here have largely moved from turn-based to ATB, variants of ATB, or full real-time combat. How many copies of the fully turn-based Dragon Quest VIII sold in the US? How many of those were because of the Final Fantasy XII demo?
As far as Japan goes, Dragon Quest has the art, music, and tradition going for it in a way Final Fantasy hasn't for years.

[Tv_Themes]

Topics so far:

- Me thinking Waluigi is useless.
- A Mario game starring Mario's father.
- Me thinking they should ban the act of keeping adults faces hidden in cartoons.
- People blaming Charles Shultz, Bill Shultz and Ed Shultz (whoever that is).
- Me saying that adults in Peanuts cartoons were eventually given faces and voices.
- Me liking Mario is Missing (a bad game) but hating WarioWare (a good game).
- A picture from Super Paper Mario
- I thought Smooth Moves used the Wii Balance Board.
- Two words a post.
- listing the different subjects that have been discussed here
- Comparing Pokemon to Final Fantasy IV for no reason
- Chup insulting Mother

:)

Anyway, I really wasn't a big RPG fan, despite the fact one of my favorite video games of all time is Super Mario RPG. I just think the whole "Medieval Knights with Swords" plot-line used in almost all of them is too overused.

At least Mother was different.

Edit: By the way, I picked up WarioWare GCN just now, when I get home, I'll try it...

[Kojinka]

Final Fantasy got rid of the traditional Medieval theme in some of their more recent game to a more sci-fi look, which I personally don't associate with the term "Fantasy".
And if you don't like Medieval themed games with Swords, don't play Zelda.

[Chupperson Weird]

Final Fantasy has had advanced technology since the first game, although probably started being more pronounced in FFIV or so. I wonder if you got that far in it.

[BP]

Flying boats are pretty advanced, indeed.

The first MOTHER game... I wish I could love it but it's too primitive in construction. The concept and writing were normal for the time I guess, but way ahead of the era the interface came from... heh heh. It and EarthBound need enhanced remakes. For the 1 + 2 fan translation, Tomato's looking at making an option for enhanced or regular graphics in MOTHER, but what I'm thinking more about is completely ditching everything number-related and redoing the whole game. Take the plot and characters and build the rest over again (the script could use more flavor, in fact), ideally with MOTHER 3's level of animation detail and that fancy rhythm battle system (which I am naturally horrible at). EarthBound being my favorite of the series for different reasons, I wish were that up-to-date as well. But last I checked, the translated MOTHER 3 is in no condition for hacks of that persuasion.

[Kojinka]

This post could make me the next TV_Themes, but I led a good life here.

I played partway through FFIII DS, and I think the most advanced piece of technology I saw was the airship.  And that was fine.  Everything else felt like a middle ages setting with magic, which is what I associate with the game's theme.  Even the airship fit in.  There might be other gadgets like that, but if there was, I either don't remember, or I didn't get far enough in it before I lent it to a kid who never gave it back.

I watched maybe the last half or third of Advent Children, and the setting was way too futuristic for me.   I guess the definition of 'fantasy' is vague enough, but for some reason, my view of the term is, unfortunately, a bit narrow, so seeing it mixed with a futuristic sci-fi setting on Advent Children left me with a bitter taste.  That or the FF7 fanbase.

Saw a little bit of a playthrough or review of FF9, and it actually looked like something I'd enjoy.

My boyfriend plays FFXI, and I'd play that with him if I had a job to pay the monthly fee.

I'd even give FFVII a try if copies of it weren't so freaking expensive.  If I like it, I would probably be in the group of people who like something, but hate the fanbase (at least those that give the game more praise than necessary).  If I hate it, I would be armed with legitimate complaints.

[Chupperson Weird]

Yeah, like I said there's not much technology in the first few games. VI is where it really takes off and VII is some kind of weird hybrid game that ended up the way it did due to its position in the technological timeline. It definitely isn't the best one of the series, but it's decent enough. I've heard many people say IX is "the best" but I haven't played it yet. My vote goes to XII. Dunno why you watched Advent Children though... I wouldn't have recommended seeing it until you played through VII.

Why do you hate futuristic settings though?

[Suffix]

I don't think there's been a single JRPG I've played that doesn't combine old-type fantasy with futuristic settings. I say this thinking of Tales of Symphonia I and II which I played recently thanks to my apartment members.

[Kojinka]

Yeah, like I said there's not much technology in the first few games. VI is where it really takes off and VII is some kind of weird hybrid game that ended up the way it did due to its position in the technological timeline. It definitely isn't the best one of the series, but it's decent enough. I've heard many people say IX is "the best" but I haven't played it yet. My vote goes to XII. Dunno why you watched Advent Children though... I wouldn't have recommended seeing it until you played through VII.

Why do you hate futuristic settings though?

I don't mind them at all.  In fact, I kind of like futuristic settings at times.  I just kind of prefer more themes along the lines of old type fantasy when it comes to something with "Fantasy" in the title or genre.  I don't mind having a few technologically advanced things mixed in, but FF7 has too much for me.  The writers can put as much futuristic setting in there as they want, and it's great when done right.  So, I like both; I just don't like how FFVII fused them (probably because the only FFVII related deal I've ever seen was AC).
I had to watch AC because my boyfriend's anime club was watching it.  Even before seeing any of it, it was one of the last movies I wanted to see.