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« on: October 07, 2011, 02:57:32 PM »
Why are they? The Super Leaf hasn't been in a (new) game in ~20 years and it's coming in SM3DL
and MK7. Same for the Frog Suit in PM3D. Has Nintendo run out of ideas?

« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2011, 03:19:51 PM »
I don't think Nintendo is running out of ideas, I think bringing back old ones serves a couple different purposes.

1. Throwing us old farts a bone.  It's nice to see old classics again.
2. Getting the kids acquainted with the bad-[badonkadonk] old school stuff.  SO many kids (probably) missed the old school games we had the benefit of growing up with.  Why not give them a chance too?
3. Taking old ideas and twisting them with new concepts.  I love this, and I think it's probably the best reason to revisit old ideas.  There are SO many more possibilities with video games now than there were x number of years ago.  You can take an old idea and expand on it!  Heck, that's how we got Yoshi in Super Mario World!
« Last Edit: November 18, 2012, 07:07:33 AM by Sapphira »
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« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2011, 09:59:47 PM »
I don't think Nintendo is running out of ideas, I think bringing back old ones serves a couple different purposes.

1. Throwing us old farts a bone.  It's nice to see old classics again.
2. Getting the kids acquainted with the bad-[badonkadonk] old school stuff.  SO many kids (probably) missed the old school games we had the benefit of growing up with.  Why not give them a chance too?
3. Taking old ideas and twisting them with new concepts.  I love this, and I think it's probably the best reason to revisit old ideas.  There are SO many more possibilities with video games now than there were x number of years ago.  You can take an old idea and expand on it!  Heck, that's how we got Yoshi in Super Mario World!
I agree, but all we have seen of power-ups for SM3DL are things that have already been done. I'm not saying this is a bad idea, this will be the 2nd best 3D game in the series. (SM64 pwns all other 3D Mario games) I'm just saying that the old should be balenced with the new.
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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2011, 10:13:20 PM »
If that's the case, shouldn't Goombas and Koopas have been replaced years ago?
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« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2011, 07:21:08 AM »
If that's the case, shouldn't Goombas and Koopas have been replaced years ago?
No, they are good enemies, but they are modified in ways that keep them fresh and new.

« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2011, 10:53:02 AM »
Why are they? The Super Leaf hasn't been in a (new) game in ~20 years and it's coming in SM3DL
and MK7. Same for the Frog Suit in PM3D. Has Nintendo run out of ideas?
Haven't you noticed how everything that's old is getting remade and rebooted? Not just video games.

I mean, it started way back when Rocky 6 came out...17 years after Rocky 5. Then Indy Jones 4, nearly 2 decades after Indy 3. Freaking Tron got a sequel...one of the cheesiest movies of all time, and they even brought THAT back.

There was a new (short lived) Knight Rider show. That new My Little Pony is big with kids and adults for whatever reason. Cartoon Network remade Thundercats. THUNDERCATS.

The Ninja Turtles got a brand new comic to reboot the franchise. DC Comics rebooted their whole lineup. Superman can't even fly anymore. It hasn't been like that since the 1940s.

Back to video games, but not Mario. there's a new Kid Icarus coming out, Punch-Out got a remake. Bionic Commando.

Everybody's going back to old stuff. It's just how society's been for the last 5 years. It's not just Nintendo.
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« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2011, 12:20:02 PM »
It's a win-win: We get stuff that's familiar and nostalgic, they don't have to work as hard.
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« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2011, 03:47:08 PM »
When was the last time Mario got to use the Super Leaf in a 3D game?

When was the last time Mario got to fight Boom Boom in a 3D game?

When was the last time Mario had to jump onto a flagpole in a 3D game?

....see my point?

« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2011, 04:10:55 PM »
When was the last time Mario got to use the Super Leaf in a 3D game?

When was the last time Mario got to fight Boom Boom in a 3D game?

When was the last time Mario had to jump onto a flagpole in a 3D game?

....see my point?
Haven't you noticed how everything that's old is getting remade and rebooted? Not just video games.

I mean, it started way back when Rocky 6 came out...17 years after Rocky 5. Then Indy Jones 4, nearly 2 decades after Indy 3. Freaking Tron got a sequel...one of the cheesiest movies of all time, and they even brought THAT back.

There was a new (short lived) Knight Rider show. That new My Little Pony is big with kids and adults for whatever reason. Cartoon Network remade Thundercats. THUNDERCATS.

The Ninja Turtles got a brand new comic to reboot the franchise. DC Comics rebooted their whole lineup. Superman can't even fly anymore. It hasn't been like that since the 1940s.

Back to video games, but not Mario. there's a new Kid Icarus coming out, Punch-Out got a remake. Bionic Commando.

Everybody's going back to old stuff. It's just how society's been for the last 5 years. It's not just Nintendo.
I'm not saying bringing back old stuff is a bad idea, I'm just saying that new stuff needs to be mixed with the old

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« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2011, 04:41:39 PM »
Friggin' everything is reboots.

I touched on this a little bit the last time I whined about Sonic 4, but Plinkett pretty much covers it in that review (with some potty words). Movies have to all be super-dumbed-down blockbusters based loosely on things everyone remembers, but only using the few things that everyone remembers about it, because they have to have a huge opening weekend to make money*. When people think Star Trek, they think "Beam me up Scotty" and Chekov saying "wessel" and Kirk having sex and things blowing up (which is mostly their memory of Star Wars seeping in). They don't think philosophy, or slow, thoughtful plots, or Q, or anything like that that's more for fans.

This is why Sonic 4 sucked. There is nothing original in there, other than the stupid un-Sonicy puzzle gameplay in the Labyrinth Zone. They took the blockbuster reboot thing too far.

Nintendo is doing the blockbuster reboot thing too. They need to sell their games to big mass audiences. Part of the reason Super Paper Mario has such a low rating on Amazon is because it was marketed as a blockbuster reboot when it was really a continuation of the Paper Mario series that was even more fancrufty than Thousand-Year Door. People who hadn't played video games in years bought it because they thought it was Super Mario Bros. with smoother graphics, not a text-heavy action RPG with an unskippable 5-minute intro like its predecessors. This is also, I anticipate, why Paper Mario 3DS is looking so generic, and why the only partner we've seen so far is a generic Chomp rather than an actual character. They want to sell it to everyone who never played a Mario game between SMB3 and NSMBW.

It's not going to work, though. The people that stopped playing video games from 1996 to 2006 stopped for one big reason:



The shift from 2D to 3D is too much for them. They don't want to bother with it. And they certainly don't want to use a controller with so many dang buttons on it.

They came back in 2006 for one big reason:



It's a TV remote that works like an NES controller with a gun trigger and a big round button in the middle. To play the game that comes with it, you don't even use the buttons, you just shake it. That's simple. That's manageable.



This is not manageable. Look at the [darn] thing. It's already got sliders and knobs and dials and lights all over it, and now you wanna add this thing onto it to give it another joystick and two more buttons (for a total of four buttons where I can't even see them)? And they think this is going to win back over the crowd that left when they shifted to 3D with a big three-pronged controller? And they think the way to win back that crowd is with 3D? Double 3D -- a 3D game with a stereoscopic display.

No. The reboots will fail, and it's gonna be a Gamecube again. The fans will get their fanservice, and there'll be a second 3DS Paper Mario that has the old Dry Bones design and Goombaloads of fanfic fodder.

*- Complicating this is the way that Hollywood plays stupid accounting tricks to make it look like movies are unprofitable if they need to. The studio will create a separate company to make the movie, which is still entirely controlled and funded by them, and then they'll charge themselves exorbitant amounts for distribution and marketing, so that on paper, the company that made the movie never made a profit, but the actual studio did. David Prowse (the guy in the Darth Vader suit) has never received residuals from Return of the Jedi, because ROTJ, one of the top-grossing films of all time, has officially still not turned a profit. But that's beside the point, mostly.



When was the last time Mario got to use the Super Leaf in a 3D game?

When was the last time Mario got to fight Boom Boom in a 3D game?

When was the last time Mario had to jump onto a flagpole in a 3D game?

When was the last time Mario did that stuff in a 2D game? Boom Boom and the Super Leaf have only been in one game to date, and flagpoles are only in the original Super Mario Bros., the lazy sequel to the original Super Mario Bros., and the two uncreative rehashes of the original Super Mario Bros.. The point is that before 2005, Mario was always doing new stuff. Now he's riding the nostalgia train.
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« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2011, 05:28:32 PM »
See, in 2005, Nintendo figured out that there are lots of people out there who loved Super Mario Bros. but haven't played Mario since then, so they figured "Hey, let's remake Super Mario Bros." And that worked. But then they thought all they needed to do is keep the trappings of the old games, and they can fundamentally alter the core gameplay and keep those lapsed gamers so long as it looks like Mario 3 on the outside. But that logic makes no sense, because those lapsed gamers stopped playing when Mario 64 came out, and Mario 64 had Goombas and Koopas and Piranha Plants and Bowser and Lakitus and Peach and Big Bertha and Wiggler and Piranha Plants, but what it didn't have was super-simple controls and gameplay that require no explanation (other than "hold down the freakin run button already gosh").

Make an actual new actual sidescroller and you'll make us all happy.
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« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2011, 05:43:59 PM »
See, in 2005, Nintendo figured out that there are lots of people out there who loved Super Mario Bros. but haven't played Mario since then, so they figured "Hey, let's remake Super Mario Bros." And that worked. But then they thought all they needed to do is keep the trappings of the old games, and they can fundamentally alter the core gameplay and keep those lapsed gamers so long as it looks like Mario 3 on the outside. But that logic makes no sense, because those lapsed gamers stopped playing when Mario 64 came out, and Mario 64 had Goombas and Koopas and Piranha Plants and Bowser and Lakitus and Peach and Big Bertha and Wiggler and Piranha Plants, but what it didn't have was super-simple controls and gameplay that require no explanation (other than "hold down the freakin run button already gosh").

Make an actual new actual sidescroller and you'll make us all happy.
NSMBW was orginal, the DS version was pretty much an enhanced ROM hack.

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« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2011, 06:44:07 PM »
CrossEyed speaks the gospel truth.

...But you're all still going to buy it, aren't you?
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« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2011, 07:22:24 PM »
CrossEyed speaks the gospel truth.

...But you're all still going to buy it, aren't you?
I will when I get a 3DS.

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« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2011, 08:08:41 PM »
Man...CrossEyed's been on the warpath lately.

Though he did manage to say a LOT of what's been on my mind about the whole nostalgia trend. Namco appears to be trying to pull something similar with Pac-Man given the release of Championship Edition and that planned TV series for 2012 that makes absolutely no references to anything Pac-Man related aside from the original game and maaaaaybe the H-B cartoon.

« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2011, 08:41:29 PM »
Man...CrossEyed's been on the warpath lately.

Though he did manage to say a LOT of what's been on my mind about the whole nostalgia trend. Namco appears to be trying to pull something similar with Pac-Man given the release of Championship Edition and that planned TV series for 2012 that makes absolutely no references to anything Pac-Man related aside from the original game and maaaaaybe the H-B cartoon.
I totally agree that we all are riding "the nostalgia train". As I said before, I'm fine with that as long as long as we make a quick stop at 2011 Station.
Also, I would like this to be moved to Video Game Chat so that we can talk about Sonic Generations.

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« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2011, 11:35:47 AM »
Another analogy I thought of: Super Mario 3D Land is to Mario sidescrollers as this is to nursery rhymes. Eenie Meenie uses elements of the nursery rhyme of the same name as a source, but it is a decidedly different kind of song, and it will not become a timeless piece of culture like the nursery rhyme. It does not try to be a timeless nursery rhyme, and there is no content in it for it to become one. Likewise, Super Mario 3D Land uses elements of the sidescrollers as a source, but it is a fundamentally different kind of game than them, and will not be as timeless as them.

This does not mean it will be a bad game. It will, however, unavoidably be a different kind of game than the sidescrollers. It is not a new timeless entry into video game history. It is a remix of previously established timeless elements. This is not a bad thing. Such things are welcome when done right (e.g., when they bring something good to the table of their own (i.e., the opposite of Sonic 4)). The problem is that Nintendo doesn't seem to know the difference anymore between Mother Goose and Justin Bieber.

That made sense, right?
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« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2011, 07:27:45 PM »
Also, I would like this to be moved to Video Game Chat so that we can talk about Sonic Generations.

Should I change the title as well?
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« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2011, 07:45:14 PM »
Heh, CE7 just hasn't realized that all Sonic is crap.  (Actually I agree with CE7 on every point outside of his Sonic comments.  I'm the one that thinks Sonic is crap.  (Maybe Emin-rap would have been more to my liking.))   

Footnote:  I'm currently researching key/scale structure vs octaves and somehow thought that the above comment made sense. 
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« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2011, 07:52:20 PM »
Couple things I take issue with:

Another analogy I thought of: Super Mario 3D Land is to Mario sidescrollers as this is to nursery rhymes. Eenie Meenie uses elements of the nursery rhyme of the same name as a source, but it is a decidedly different kind of song, and it will not become a timeless piece of culture like the nursery rhyme. It does not try to be a timeless nursery rhyme, and there is no content in it for it to become one. Likewise, Super Mario 3D Land uses elements of the sidescrollers as a source, but it is a fundamentally different kind of game than them, and will not be as timeless as them.
See, the issue we haven't covered is WHY were the Mario sidescrollers timeless? gameplay innovation, that's what. And not just the items--the level designs, the enemies, the overworld designs, all that stuff.

SM3D clings to old elements, that's true. what the game DOES with them will determine how worth my time it is.

Part of the reason Super Paper Mario has such a low rating on Amazon is because it was marketed as a blockbuster reboot when it was really a continuation of the Paper Mario series that was even more fancrufty than Thousand-Year Door. People who hadn't played video games in years bought it because they thought it was Super Mario Bros. with smoother graphics, not a text-heavy action RPG with an unskippable 5-minute intro like its predecessors. This is also, I anticipate, why Paper Mario 3DS is looking so generic, and why the only partner we've seen so far is a generic Chomp rather than an actual character. They want to sell it to everyone who never played a Mario game between SMB3 and NSMBW.
I disagree here too.

SPM was a side-scroller in a turn-based RPG franchise...as far as audience reception, its fate was sealed from the beginning. casual fans, newbs, outsiders, whatever you call them, they had little to do with it.

As for Paper Mario 3DS, Nintendo can't bring in an old crowd with a game like that...they wouldn't even TRY.  Imagine one of those people who haven't played a video game since Super Mario World. If they saw one of the Paper Marios, they'd be MAD AS RABID DOGS at this wussy turn-based crap taking over their wholesome, traditional, manly head-stomping fun.

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It's not going to work, though. The people that stopped playing video games from 1996 to 2006 stopped for one big reason:

They came back in 2006 for one big reason:


It's a TV remote that works like an NES controller with a gun trigger and a big round button in the middle. To play the game that comes with it, you don't even use the buttons, you just shake it. That's simple. That's manageable.
If you were playing games frequently in the 90s and you stopped, you are probably not part of the Wii's target demographic. I don't want to sound elitist or like a nostalgia freak, but the casual gaming library that the Wii's got can't scratch THAT kind of itch.
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« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2011, 08:38:00 PM »
Should I change the title as well?
Yeah, change it to "Why are game companys bringing back old stuff?"

« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2011, 09:38:33 PM »
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« Reply #22 on: October 10, 2011, 12:25:11 AM »
Couple things I take issue with:
See, the issue we haven't covered is WHY were the Mario sidescrollers timeless? gameplay innovation, that's what. And not just the items--the level designs, the enemies, the overworld designs, all that stuff.

SM3D clings to old elements, that's true. what the game DOES with them will determine how worth my time it is.
I think I agree with you here, actually. You just put it in a less negative way than me.

SPM was a side-scroller in a turn-based RPG franchise...as far as audience reception, its fate was sealed from the beginning. casual fans, newbs, outsiders, whatever you call them, they had little to do with it.
It's really not that different from its predecessors. It's just streamlined. Instead of going straight left to right most of the time with some stuff a little off to the side, now it's just totally left to right (with some stuff in 3D). Instead of turn-based Action Commands, now it's real-time Action Commands. The rest of the game -- the story, the dialogue, the items, the cooking -- is still the same. It may be a side-scrolling game, but to call it a sidescroller implies many things that it is not.

Some Amazon reviews:

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I bought the wii and paper mario because I was craving a little old school 2D mario action. I think this game is pretty satisfying once you get going and I enjoy it, but I dread all the stupid blathering. The dialog might be ok if it were sort but it isn't even that. It just goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on with inane stupid conversations that consist of nothing better than "I'm better than you!" "Nuh uh!" "Yeah huh!" "Nuh uh!" And if, for example you don't beat the villain at the end of the level you have to scroll through the entire stupid conversation AGAIN! Horrible, just horrible.

I was babysitting a tween recently and they didn't even stick with the game for more than 5 minutes because they said there was too much reading and not enough playing.

Ugh. I want to play not read!

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I thought this would be like old school Mario. It's cute but I just don't get it. The pace is very slow, kind of boring. Going through lots of doors. Not for me, I guess I have a short attention span!

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To me this game is not worth $[...] let alone $[...]. The beginning of the game takes about 15 minutes just to tell you a story then you're stuck in the first "world" forever. I guess this game is good for those who have a ton of time on their hands, it's not for the casual gamer. I thought it would be more like the old school Mario and I was definitely disappointed!
(Apparently Amazon censors out dollar amounts?)

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This was the first game I purchased for Wii. It was fun, but at times it was so frustrating!!!! I spent 80% of the game clicking through word bubbles, which cant be avoided. At times I was so annoyed that I wouldnt touch the game for days. Aside from the lame story and word bubbles, it was neat. This game requires using your mind, it's not your basic "get-to-the-end-of-the-level" game. Sometimes you have to go back and forth through a level to ask people questions etc. I repeat...this game requires intelligence and critical thinking skills, if you dont have those things, DONT buy this game!!!

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I loved the way the game challenged my mind with its unique brand of 2D-3D puzzles, but to get to those puzzles I had to click through dozens upon dozens of text. Just as Metal Gear Solid can feel like a movie with snippets of game to play in between cutscenes, Super Paper Mario feels like a story with entertaining bits of gameplay sandwiched between.

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This game was awful! My seven year old had to have me read 20 minutes of dialogue boxes with words like "dimensionality", "Void" and "Minions" before the 1980s type game actually started. Actually, this is more like something that would have been exciting circa 1974. We will never play this again!
("This is boring like a 37-year-old game, not exciting like a 27-year-old game!")

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My sister and I (both in our 40's) were totally addicted to Super Mario Brothers on the Wii. With it completed, we've been trying to find anything comparable. This is NOT it. This game is way too easy and way too boring.

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This has to be the worse Mario game ever. I love Mario games and this was very dissapointing. First you have to click and read through 10 minutes of back and forth messages. Then you have to read crap like every other minute. The game itself is also dum. I would say it is for a 3 year old but they would not be able to read it. It is really dumb. Sorry I wasted my money on it. On ebay it goes after the boycott.

If it had been called something like "Paper Mario: The Tribe of Ancients and the Dark Prognosticus", fewer people would've thought it was New Super Mario Bros. and maybe not as many people would've been disappointed. Also if New Super Mario Bros. Wii had already come out in 2006, so that people in 2007 wouldn't be so desperate for a Mario sidescroller. Then the main problem would've been that it's not as fun to not have real party members.

But really, this demonstrates the apparent problem with 3D Land: They're using the trappings of the classic games to trick casual gamers into buying games that are not Mario sidescrollers. And for some reason they find that a better business strategy than just making some sidescrollers once in a while, which would take much less effort.

As for Paper Mario 3DS, Nintendo can't bring in an old crowd with a game like that...they wouldn't even TRY.  Imagine one of those people who haven't played a video game since Super Mario World. If they saw one of the Paper Marios, they'd be MAD AS HELL at this wussy turn-based crap taking over their wholesome, traditional, manly head-stomping fun.
I'm not saying it has a chance of being successful, I'm just saying it's what they're going to try. And yes, it will fail, as evidenced by aforementioned SPM reviews (See also how they tried to market Bowser's Inside Story to casuals). But until I see evidence to the contrary (like screenshots of actual partners), I'm going to assume Nintendo hasn't learned their lesson.

Also, have you noticed that damage ratios are way higher in the screenshots and videos we've seen? Mario does like 5 HP damage with each jump, and in one video he jumps on a Koopa and kicks it into the other enemies, and does 9 damage to all of them. And these are all with just Goombas and Koopas in the battles, which means they're probably pretty early on in the game. You're not gonna get the kind of careful strategy that you had in the battles in the first two games, because casuals don't want to be doing little ***** jumps that only do 1 damage, they want to be doing lots of damage, so we have to give Goombas 10 HP and make you do 5 HP in each bounce.



WHAT IS THIS? Either they're showing screenshots of a Danger Mario run, or this is going to be more M&L than PM.

Alternatively, these could be from much later parts in the game, and it's just there's still lots of Goombas and Koopas in the midgame and endgame because those are the enemies that casuals know. In the 38 released screenshots, the enemies featured are Goombas (in 13 shots), Koopas (7 shots), Spinies (2 shots), Buzzy Beetles (2 shots), a Chain Chomp (3 shots), Pokeys, Wigglers, Dry Boneses, Paratroopas, Bob-ombs, Swoopers, and Whomps (1 shot each), and one shot of a purple Monty Mole wearing a crown, obviously an early boss fight. There are also 6 shots with Toads, 6 shots with just Mario, and 0 shots with Clefts, Puffs, Duplighosts, Koopas with sunglasses, Goombas with hats, pink Bob-ombs, Bob-ombs with mustaches, or Bob-ombs with different winding keys to reflect their personality and profession. Other than the Whomp and maybe the Swoopers, they're all things that the casuals will recognize. And I repeat again, thirteen Goomba screenshots -- over one-third of all screenshots released.

There probably are Puffs and Clefts in the game, but the fact that we haven't seen a single one, along with the fact that we haven't seen a single screenshot of an actual partner character (one of the biggest complaints PM fans had about SPM), indicates that they are focused on selling this to the masses, not the niche of hardcore PM fans. And let's be clear: the masses will not take kindly to being hoodwinked again. Nintendo could care less right now, because they'll already have their $40, but in the long run, this will lead to horrible public reception of Mario RPGs, which may lead Nintendo to start thinking it's more trouble than it's worth to make a Mario RPG, even though it's their own stupid fault.

If you were playing games frequently in the 90s and you stopped, you are probably not part of the Wii's target demographic. I don't want to sound elitist or like a nostalgia freak, but the casual gaming library that the Wii's got can't scratch THAT kind of itch.
I don't mean the 80s and 90s equivalent of "hardcore gamers" who had a Power Glove and an NES Advantage and an NES Max and could beat Silver Surfer, I just mean the people like my parents that played a buttload of Mario games back then and then suddenly stopped when the pitchfork controller came out. Everyone played Mario. And now we're starting to get everyone playing Mario again, since we have a multiplayer console Mario sidescroller for the first time in 20 years. In between there, there was nothing for those people.
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« Reply #23 on: October 10, 2011, 04:29:17 PM »
this is going to be more M&L

More like "This is going to be more M"
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« Reply #24 on: October 10, 2011, 06:45:47 PM »
There are new and awesome non-rehash games coming out darn near every week.

But they don't have Mario in them.

But one recently had Kirby!

« Reply #25 on: October 10, 2011, 06:51:19 PM »
So, now that we are in VGC, who thinks Sega might be a little lazy with Sonic Generations?

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« Reply #26 on: October 10, 2011, 07:20:15 PM »
This isn't anything new, kids.
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« Reply #27 on: October 10, 2011, 09:38:17 PM »
So, now that we are in VGC, who thinks Sega might be a little lazy with Sonic Generations?

I'm not sure about that, actually. Going through most of the zones in the Sonic games packed into one game, along with two different playstyles sounds pretty neat to me (provided the physics engine is as good as the original Genesis games for 2D Sonic and SA2 for Modern Sonic). It makes me think of how awesome it would be if they made a Pokemon game where you can visit all the old regions in addition to the new region that's introduced.
« Last Edit: October 10, 2011, 09:39:52 PM by Kimimaru »
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« Reply #29 on: October 10, 2011, 10:26:29 PM »
I'm not sure about that, actually. Going through most of the zones in the Sonic games packed into one game, along with two different playstyles sounds pretty neat to me (provided the physics engine is as good as the original Genesis games for 2D Sonic and SA2 for Modern Sonic). It makes me think of how awesome it would be if they made a Pokemon game where you can visit all the old regions in addition to the new region that's introduced.
I was thinking more of the 3DS version, where GHZ1 is a carbon copy of the orginal and MHZ2 has Genesis/Mega Drive music.

« Reply #30 on: October 11, 2011, 02:15:23 AM »
Glad they are bringing back the old stuff. I doubt they will take it further by reviving older consoles like the SNES, NES, and Game Boy. I'm sure most of you know how I feel about the modern gaming industry, so...
ROM hacking with a slice of life.

« Reply #31 on: October 11, 2011, 07:14:54 AM »
Quote from: CrossEyed7
If it had been called something like "Paper Mario: The Tribe of
 Ancients and the Dark Prognosticus", fewer people would've
 thought it was New Super Mario Bros. and maybe not as many
 people would've been disappointed. Also if New Super Mario
 Bros. Wii had already come out in 2006, so that people in
 2007 wouldn't be so desperate for a Mario sidescroller. Then the main problem would've been that it's not as fun to not
 have real party members.
I think if the whole or part of the 1st part was in the manual, then less people would have been like "OMG GET 2 TEH MARIOS ALREADY Y U NO GAMEPLAY!!!!111!!!ELEVEN11!1ONE!" They would have found what may be the best self-parody game ever if it weren't for the textys.

« Reply #32 on: October 11, 2011, 10:28:14 AM »
This would be a neat feature on the 3DS: a way to emulate/play Super GameBoy enhanced titles.* I was thinking of plugging in my Snes the other day just for this reason..

* I don't own a 3DS, so I don't know if such a feature already exists..
Kinopio is the ultimate video game character! Who else can drive a kart, host parties, play tennis, give good advice and items, and is almost always happy??

ShadowBrain

  • Ridiculously relevant
« Reply #33 on: October 13, 2011, 03:55:40 PM »
Was there seriously significant portion of the population that thought SPM was supposed to be traditional Mario game before they bought it?
"Mario is your oyster." ~The Chef

CrossEyed7

  • i can make this whatever i want; you're not my dad
« Reply #34 on: October 13, 2011, 09:48:53 PM »
The Amazon reviews would seem to say so. There's plenty of reviews saying "This isn't a real Paper Mario game, there's no battles and audience and Goombario!", but there's about as many saying "This isn't a real Super Mario game, there's too much talking!" And it's not surprising, considering how many lapsed gamers are in the Wii's demographic, how much the long tail / evergreen / whatever effect is in effect on the Wii (people picking up SPM after playing NSMBW), the name, and the fact that it was advertised with screenshots like these:







Also here are some ads for Bowser's Inside Story where Nintendo actively encouraged this sort of thing:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSBvPw0h6Qg" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSBvPw0h6Qg</a>

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibOyTb4e82U" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibOyTb4e82U</a>




And here's one where they sold it to casuals and moms as "a great game to move on to after Brain Training"

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS0AtDEq0kc" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS0AtDEq0kc</a>
"Oh man, I wish being a part of a Mario fan community was the most embarrassing thing about my life." - Super-Jesse

Kimimaru

  • Max Stats
« Reply #35 on: October 13, 2011, 10:39:20 PM »
While I liked all the "old stuff" in Super Paper Mario, I'd say it's Nintendo's fault for marketing the game as a platformer like Super Mario Bros. rather than an addition to the Paper Mario series.
The Mario series is the best! It has every genre in video games but RTS'! It also has a plumber who does different roles, a princess, and a lot of odd creatures who don't seem to poop!

« Reply #36 on: October 13, 2011, 11:56:04 PM »
While I liked all the "old stuff" in Super Paper Mario, I'd say it's Nintendo's fault for marketing the game as a platformer like Super Mario Bros. rather than an addition to the Paper Mario series.
I swear Nintendo tried by saying stuff like,"2D sidescroller, push button recieve 3D!"

CrossEyed7

  • i can make this whatever i want; you're not my dad
« Reply #37 on: January 01, 2012, 12:22:03 AM »
Such things are welcome when done right (e.g., when they bring something good to the table of their own (i.e., the opposite of Sonic 4)).
By the way, the opposite of Sonic 4 (at least Episode 1) is Sonic Generations (at least the console version). In fact, in my personal canon, Sonic Advance is Sonic 4 and Sonic Generations is Sonic 5.
"Oh man, I wish being a part of a Mario fan community was the most embarrassing thing about my life." - Super-Jesse

The Chef

  • Simon Cowell
« Reply #38 on: January 01, 2012, 01:47:43 AM »
I'd just like to stop in here and say that Super Mario 3D Land is actually really really good.

CrossEyed7

  • i can make this whatever i want; you're not my dad
« Reply #39 on: January 01, 2012, 10:43:14 AM »
I will most likely heartily concur once I get to play it.
"Oh man, I wish being a part of a Mario fan community was the most embarrassing thing about my life." - Super-Jesse

« Reply #40 on: January 01, 2012, 01:26:18 PM »
By the way, the opposite of Sonic 4 (at least Episode 1) is Sonic Generations (at least the console version). In fact, in my personal canon, Sonic Advance is Sonic 4 and Sonic Generations is Sonic 5.
According to Sonic Retro, Sonic 4 Episode 2 will be better. (in engine)

« Reply #41 on: January 07, 2012, 12:23:41 AM »
I don't know if this goes here, but it's Honey Nut Cheerios all over again.
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Sonic 3 music was used. :)

CrossEyed7

  • i can make this whatever i want; you're not my dad
« Reply #42 on: November 17, 2012, 11:15:37 PM »
Today I learned that Sheriff originally had the same control scheme as Geometry Wars:



It's a little hard to see here, but there's two joysticks: one for moving, one for shooting. In 1979.
"Oh man, I wish being a part of a Mario fan community was the most embarrassing thing about my life." - Super-Jesse

The Chef

  • Simon Cowell
« Reply #43 on: November 18, 2012, 12:29:52 AM »
That's the Robotron 2084 control scheme.

BriGuy92

  • Luck of the Irish
« Reply #44 on: November 18, 2012, 09:44:41 AM »
That's the Smash TV control scheme.
(Incidentally, Smash TV had nothing to do with Robotron, despite being virtually the same game.)
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Luigison

  • Old Person™
« Reply #45 on: November 18, 2012, 10:01:11 AM »
Third-party controller aren't usually very good, but I hope this turns out good:




(I'm not counting HORI as third-party.)
“Evolution has shaped us with perceptions that allow us to survive. But part of that involves hiding from us the stuff we don’t need to know."

The Chef

  • Simon Cowell
« Reply #46 on: November 18, 2012, 01:30:17 PM »
Those all look like mock-ups. What are they?

« Reply #47 on: November 18, 2012, 02:34:01 PM »
Those are ugly. But for real, what are they.
Kinopio is the ultimate video game character! Who else can drive a kart, host parties, play tennis, give good advice and items, and is almost always happy??

Kuromatsu

  • 黒松
« Reply #48 on: November 22, 2012, 01:45:57 PM »
Well apparently the SNES and Xbox 360 controllers had a child, and they're still smoking from the sex they had since the conception.

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