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Mario Chat / PaperLuigi and all you Nintendo cretins

« on: December 11, 2007, 03:06:23 PM »

I am done with this board, several members have been on here flaming every post I made and attacking everything I wrote so I am done with all these [insert insult here]. 

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Mario Chat / Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?

« on: December 11, 2007, 03:05:09 PM »

The only flame that I've seen in this topic was actually made by volbound1700 himself.

you been onevery since I posted on this board attacking everything I do and disagree with every post I make. 

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Mario Chat / Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?

« on: December 11, 2007, 03:04:12 PM »

How can you "flame" an idea?

"Your idea is an idiot!"

That idea is dump, that idea is too origina, that idea stinks.  That is flaming. 

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Mario Chat / Re: What is YOUR favorite of the trilogy?

« on: December 11, 2007, 03:02:49 PM »

My whole point was that NO ONE IN AMERICA could play SMB 2 JAPAN until it appeared on SNES as LOST LEVELS.  Therefore in America, Super Mario Brothers 2 was the American version, that is why it has Super Mario Brothers 2 on the cartridge. 

I am done arguing with you guys.  Obviously you have rock for brains. 

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Mario Chat / Re: What is YOUR favorite of the trilogy?

« on: December 11, 2007, 03:01:13 PM »

Your "template" business makes it clear that you do not understand how games are designed and programmed. Compare this with, say, the Mega Man series. I assume you will say that Mega Man 1 through 6 are all the same game as well because they share common sprites and basic gameplay mechanics, despite the fact that there are many aspects that separate each game from the others. Please explain your reasoning, at least as far as your Mario pronouncements are concerned.

They don't share the same templates... have you played Megaman 1-6, they look totally like different games.
In SMB II Lost Levels, the intro looks just like SMB 1, all the levels have the same design, only thing that is rearrange is blocks, enemies, pipes, etc. 

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Mario Chat / Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?

« on: December 10, 2007, 09:04:42 AM »

Perhaps they had, but now they've recovered from "falling" so what's your point? They aren't losing now, and they've been on top in the handheld market this whole time.

My point was to defend my ideas from your flaming... plain and simple.

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Mario Chat / Re: What is YOUR favorite of the trilogy?

« on: December 10, 2007, 09:03:31 AM »

Well, I recall that the Mario Mania player's guide (circa 1991) explained pretty well about the whole SMB2 Japan business. So we didn't even need websites to tell us since Nintendo told us themselves. I know you said that if someone said that in the early 90s that's what they were referring to, but I never heard anyone refer to the 3 American NES games as "the trilogy". And I'm still going to call your "expansion" terminology completely inaccurate since it's a sequel and not a new level pack for the first game or something. I understand what you're trying to talk about but the fact is I've never seen anyone but you say any of this stuff, and for the record, I was quite alive during the NES era.

SMB 2 Japan is the first game, there are no new templates at all for that game.  BTW most people didn't have Mario Mania's player guide.  Everyone I talked to back then refered to the Mario trilogy or the three Marios as the American Marios.  People on this site are the first people I have ever seen challenge it.  So I guess we are in the same position just opposite points of view.

Then again, almost everyone around me is not as big of Mario fans I assume as you guys and don't care about research or about what games where in Japan or America.  They just played NES for fun.

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Mario Chat / Re: What is YOUR favorite of the trilogy?

« on: December 07, 2007, 08:38:49 AM »

No one ever said "Mario Brothers Trilogy."
Entirely different game? Yes, check out something like Strange Mario Bros. and tell me it's not entirely different from SMB, despite using the same engine.
Just because a game runs on the same engine does not mean it is the same game.

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It is obvious you have no clue what I am talking about because you were not alive during the NES era.  NES and SEGA Genesis where my era.  I even remember seeing the Mario Cartoons come on in the morning.  Mario and Sonic the Hedgehog both had cartoon series.  As I stated earlier: In that era if you said Mario brothers trilogy or all three of the Marios you were referring to Mario Brothers 1, SMB 2 American, and SMB 3 because Super Mario Brothers Japan did not exist in the United States during that era.  Also as some people put it referring to Lost Levels on SNES, it is nothing more then an expansion of the original SMB1.  (Back then we didn't have large Mario Sites that explained that was the game in Japan and we could care less whether it was the second Mario in Japan or not, SMB 2 was the American version in America.  No one I knew refered to the Japanese version as SMB 2).  It is no wonder I have problems talking to people on this board, none of you probably have even seen an NES or SEGA Genesis.  

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Mario Chat / Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?

« on: December 07, 2007, 08:32:15 AM »

Actually my whole argument was that Nintendo wasn't putting out the quality of games the last 5-6 years (at least until Wii, I have stated Wii games so far seem to be exception) as they had in the NES game.  My argument was then to show that certain elements of the classic games are what made Mario popular and how some of those elements need to be brought back.

I only mentioned Xbox and PS2 to point out that Nintendo has fallen pretty far since the NES days.  (BTW I have never owned an Xbox or PS2, owned PS1 for a couple of years but traded it in).

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Mario Chat / Re: What is YOUR favorite of the trilogy?

« on: December 05, 2007, 04:48:30 PM »

"Basically the same game" is wildly inaccurate. "Minor tweaks and changes" implies that the majority of the game is the same as the first, which is also completely wrong. The levels are all different.

True but they still have all the same template.  You can now get level editors on P.C.s and make your own Mario Brothers levels.  Does that make it and entirely different game? 

However, the argument was that America did not get this game on the NES... so growing up in the NES age, the trilogy to everyone around was Mario Brothers 1, Mario Brothers 2 American, Mario Brothers 3.  In America in late 80s and early 90s if you were to say Mario Brothers Trilogy, that was what it was. 

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Mario Chat / Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?

« on: December 05, 2007, 04:46:11 PM »

In response to everyone, there are many factors that let Nintendo start losing the war with Sony and Microsoft, graphics was apart of it as well.

Main factor may have been CDs were easier to put games on then Cartridges and that led Sony to take the lead when Nintendo was making 64.  Sorry I was a jerk about the game, I was just tired of hearing my ideas flamed and especially hearing the smash brothers comparison because my idea and smash brothers are nothing a like. 

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Mario Chat / Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?

« on: December 05, 2007, 04:43:24 PM »

I think Wii has good graphics... but then again PS3 and Xbox 360 do have better.  However, graphic are not everything.  Most the early games are still better then the ones we have now. 

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Mario Chat / Re: Idea for New Mario Game

« on: December 05, 2007, 04:42:22 PM »

I played Super Mario 64 (and plan to get it off Wii virtual console, already got the points card to get it and Ocarina of Time - wish they had Goldeneye) and I love it, I just like playing coop games.  Also IMO, Mario 64 had the best music out of the entire series.  Actually I don't have two controllers yet for Galaxy (although I do now)... thing is I am about 300 miles away from my Wii and have been so for last couple of weeks due to exams. 

Sorry, this all got carried away.  I just don't see the harm in a multiplayer game because it would be unique.  However, I don't think it should be a platform Mario, I think it should fall in the shadow (since it is an experiment) of a major Mario.  We can have more then one Mario games on a platform (Mario 1-3 and LL on NES for example). 

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Mario Chat / Re: Favorite Galaxy

« on: November 29, 2007, 10:46:50 PM »

Desert one and the first one (can't remember the name). 

I love the swimming stages as well.  In fact, most of them have been great.  (It was cool to unlock Luigi in the ghost galaxy). 

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Mario Chat / Re: Next 3-D Mario Game?

« on: November 29, 2007, 10:45:31 PM »

You really have no idea what you're talking about. Just because Sunshine wasn't the best selling Mario game of all time doesn't mean it almost ruined him.

Did it even break a Million copies?  I think it might have gotten 1.2 million only on name alone.  Everyone I knew told me I was dumb to get a Gamecube back in the day because all the games where kiddy.  I got it so I could play College Football and it was a lot cheaper then other systems at the time (I got it for eighty dollars, plus I thought I could find Sonic/Mario games to play with my sister on it).  However, just like most people, I jumped out of Mario and Nintendo after the 16 bit era (although the 64 wasn't bad at all, I just never got one).  I know very few people who haven't play the originals.  I know very few people who have played Sunshine or the newer ones and liked them.  Now I am really flaming but still, I am just trying to break you guys out of your narrow-mindedness.  Sunshine isn't as bad as I am putting it up to be, but it was definitely not a Mario epic like the originals, neither where many of the Gamecube games, that is why Sony and Microsoft have started to dominate the market until recently.  Nintendo is getting back to its roots now and people are really into the Wii, Nintendo is big once again.  I loved Gamecube and loved the Mario sports games and Mario Kart: Double Dash, etc. but even I admit it wasn't as up to par as Nintendo could do.  IMO, if it wasn't for SSB Melee and fans like the people on this board (that is why I am trying to get along with everyone), Gamecube would have likely been a failure.  I am one of those fallen away fans that has returned and there are ALOT of us out there.  Sure Mario can sell to a 10 or 12 year old, but you need games that can sell to College kids and Highschool kids, that is a majority of the market.  I think the Wii is starting to accomplish that.